Twitch Reactors Are Killing YouTube...
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- Опубликовано: 29 сен 2024
- Hello guys and gals, it's me Mutahar again! For months our peers over at Twitch have been reacting to original videos large or small from various content creators. With the state of the algorithm on this platform it's become a parasitic relationship and needs to stop. Thanks for watching!
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Mutahard
I appreciate your kind words mate and I respect your willingness to talk about a topic that many refuse to. All the best.
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He said "GTA" and the title said "react content" and you were the first person I thought of
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The most frustrating thing is when they don't even link the original channel and/or video they "reacted" to.
@@wimzy9603 maybe he does on his twitch stream but this a entirely separate platform. There is 4 or 5 links in just about every one of asmongolds videos description and not one is the original channel or video.
@@wimzy9603 lol hey yall we just watch the whole video and I'll watch the next video and the next video each time after they upload, but remember to go rewatch what we just watched and support the creator. Also I'm going to upload this reaction on RUclips.
Asmon.
@@wimzy9603 yea sure support the creator by staying on his live stream and just watching the whole channel with him ok
@@wimzy9603 The point is he should watch one Video and tell everyone to check the channel out. Instead of hmm.. Watching all their content and telling people to rewatch it, just as @ShortyOrc 1 said with his comment.
@@bruvye6072 that's literally what he says
i've always thought it was a bit fishey how we banished jinx off the platform for this, but now it's okay for twitch streamers to do the same..
What happened to jinx exactly
Bro should start streaming
He was the biggest reactor like 6-7 years ago with one million subscribers. I remember seeing all kind of reactors pop up (cj so cool, im dontai, sup tho, Tyron magnus, swagfoulnation, the reel rejects, etc) so there was a rise of reaction channels back then that eventually faded out with some exceptions.
@@_M41KU_ it's crazy how some of the music reactors(especially rap channels) get paid from record labels to react to their music, i was baffled when i found out about this...
not that i have a problem with them...
An interesting topic for sure, wonder what your take is on dubbing? my animations get dubbed by a popular channel that ends up getting more views than the originals. and while its cool that they get to be enjoyed by a new audience, I can't help but feel pretty down that the months of work I put into my videos gets me less views/subs/earnings than the ones that just dub over that work.
Have you lodged a complaint because that sounds like a copyright violation?
I don't think the dub would truly "replace" your video, the people that watch the dub won't watch your video not because they've already seen it dubbed, but because they *can't* watch your video, they don't understand it. The people who watch your video and the people who watch the dub are essentialy two completely different demographics with little to no overlap and as such you don't get activly harmed by the dubbers (But you also see little to no benefit.).
Maybe pay someone to dub your own videos, publish both the original one and the dubbed one, double the views
Does the person at least link your original? Do they give you any kind of credit or does it seem like they are taking credit for it all?
he mentioned at the end there is a percentage claim system. maybe you could use that and take a cut of it and let the dubbers have some as well.
Just wanted to take a moment to show appreciation to Mutahar here. 3.21 Million subs and still standing up for the little guys out here. This really means a lot to us smaller creators. Its harder than ever to get noticed on this site. The last thing we need is twitch streamers jacking our content and bumping us down in search ranks. Thank you Muta for standing up for us.
Gave you a sub bro keep grinding🤝
@@fx1298 hey wow THANKS SO MUCH!!
You should thank the streamers, because they are giving you an audience by watching the videos on stream with thousands of viewers, like sure you're lose out on views on that specific video, but guaranteed if the viewers like your content enough, they will go out of their way, after the streamer finishes the video, to find your channel and watch more content from you. It's the best way to grow as a smaller youtube guaranteed
@@mattnic001 8:27 to 9:47
Mutahar summed up its detriment pretty well
@@mattnic001 not really. when jay exci video was reacted by hasan abi was able to monetized less than a dollar. thankfully jay fan recommended it on reddit which boost the video views double the amount. reaction is so adicting because fan's wanted to watch the video with their favorite creator. why would hasan fan watch the video without their favorite streamer together. it's not streamer with thousand's of views that help but reddit users who recommended "the original video".
*thank you for talking about this muta*
As someone who makes content and streams on RUclips. It’s true. The “reaction” videos are actually killing RUclips. Small channels are not incentive to make original content. When a bunch of small content creators try to ride the waves of bigger content creators. You’ll find that it becomes just a bunch of reuploads in the end with little to no transformative content. The best example is the AH & Depp trial. You see channels literally stop making content to just reupload the entire videos.
So when a bunch of “gaming” channels shift to “depp trial reactions” it screws the algorithm for everyone actually left in the gaming category. So if you’re not upload depp trail clips or entire videos reuploads in “gaming” the algorithm won’t push your videos. It sucks because everyone is just trying to grow but end up screwing over those of us trying to be original.
So in short if you’re in gaming right now and not reuploading “reaction” or “depp trial” footage. You’re screwed.
youtube has enough gamers idc about reactors i just find it hilarious how people watch some of them. Could put a picture of a face in the corner of any yt videp, reupload it as reaction = profit
@@alexfx7500 yeah it’s kinda wild. Lol. I will say though. That I’ve been staying above water (In regards to growth. Still growing) throughout this “meta” abuse but this whole situation is 100% avoidable if the community was consistent. lol.
And those trial videos are absolutely all over my recommendations, even though I'm pretty sure I haven't watched *any* of this trial on RUclips.
RUclips is the new Reddit. Just reposts everywhere of the same content 😂
I just imagine if I was a streamer who literally just streamed other streamers live and reacted then they'd get upset rather quickly.
Pyroon Reacts To Asmongold Reacts To Pyroon Reacts To Asmongold Reacts To ....
You just gave me an idea….
That actually would be a really good counter card against them
Ytuber: *Spends whole day making a script/recording a video*
Streamers: "That's crazy!"
*Blinks* "That one's going on the clips channel for sure"
"whole day"?
try being an animator lol
you can change that to "spends whole months"
@@jesterssketchbook animation is serious business, takes forever
@@jesterssketchbook cyanide and happiness
@@jesterssketchbook - animator works hard and spends moths to make a video
- streamer lazily reacts to said video, uploads his reaction to RUclips for more money, profit
I really respect Darkviperau going ahead with his videos on this, fully well knowing that he’s going insane amount of backlash from the Twitch fanbases.
I was glad when I saw this, I thought Darkviperau would get pure backlash.
Respect him for what he is doing
darkviper only gets a huge amount of backlash because of that comparison with rape,if he didnt do that he would get less
I think muta forgot how all his streams were react streams
He’s a smart guy and he has his opinions. I respect what he does… it’s very honourable
Very disappointed that he didn't bring up Charlie because he's friends with him, even though he's pretty much the biggest offender of this.
There are so many people to mention that you cant fit all of them in the same video.
As muta said in this video, everyone his talking about he likes and is friends with so that argument about moist is invalid
@@crabman7188 out of all the streamers I've seen do this the two worst ones are hasan and moist. xqc is up there too
Clear bias
Isn’t muta talking about the people who upload the reaction to RUclips?
I love it when big creators don’t watch their ads or link the video in the description. Small creators may be fine with it but exposure is not and should not be used as payment. No one cares who you are, if you’re making money off of someone else you pay with money not exposure.
nope
Yeah.... but that exposure helps them in the long run...
I mean I guess you can take the jokey "Lol exposure isn't real money. How can I pay my bills with exposure lol?" comments with nothing backing them up other than your preconceived bias towards react streamers. But it's kind of a fact that if people who never, I mean never would have watched your 1k subscriber videos, then nothing was really stolen or anyone was hurt. In fact the opposite is true. Because people would then learn of that tiny channels existence and start going there to see more of their content.
This is all one big moral circle jerk not thinking in reason. Just "React streamer bad no matter what.", nothing in anyone's empty heads but whatever they know will get them likes.
@@seventeenseventythirteen7465 Did you not watch the video at all? These reactors are watching the entire video and due to how convenient it is people are less likely to go out of the way and search up the creator or the video. They will watch the reaction of that video and that’s about it. It’s also not always something everyone enjoys, for someone to truly get invested in a channel it has to be something they personally like. Most of these people watch the reaction of a certain video for the reactor himself not the video. Quit being delusion bub.
@@_M41KU_ Oh see I watched the video, problem is I don't agree with it. So I mean if we're just going off of whatever was said in the video is true no matter what and any refutations of it are auto false because the video holds higher authority, then yeah I guess I'm wrong by default.
But see the thing is, I'm not just sitting here stroking the dick of the next person who agrees with both me, this video, and every other person who thinks they're saying something profound about react streamers when they're just saying the same thing the last person said.
There are plenty of channels I'd never heard of or thought I'd have an interest in if it weren't for someone else reacting to... I mean, violent theft of those channels. But hey, that's just me, someone who watches some react content and doesn't just hand wave off all of it as "Oh yeah they're all lazy thieves who just want to steal money from other people and don't have a personality yet manage to draw in a crowd.".
And I would genuinely love some evidence of react content mortally wounding small content creators. I never see it, just a "come on believe me, it's common sense, if someone watches your video, that means that all 1k of those people will now not watch your video.". An appeal to a preconceived thought put into your head by the person peddling it.
It does no harm, there is no one that lost all chance of getting big as a channel that shows a guy removing beehives all because Cr1tical watched a few of your videos.
@@seventeenseventythirteen7465 Lol you’re slow
It's that people have developed strong parasocial relationships with twitch streamers. It's easy for people to see how unethical jinx was but Hasan, MoistCritical, Asmon, etc. are too loved for their fans to recognize or care about their blatant theft. These reactors and fans use the most fallacious and blatantly dishonest "arguments" to defend reacting.
Asmongold literally doubles the length of the original video in his reaction, don't put him together with Hassan who puts on a video then leaves to go eat food.
@@TheArrivalCyberse and yet he takes 100% of the video, when he only reacted to a few small parts, and makes 0.1% of the effort the original video took. Definitely not theft
@@chuck600 Damn that's a big brain analysis, keep at it chief.
@@TheArrivalCyberse just cuz you pause the video to ramble about shit doesnt mean you havent played the full video
Yeah I'm still subbed to asmon and I literally just type in his titles and watch the original now
have you tried running it as administrator? that might solve your issue
Have you tried selecting compatibility mode to Windows 98?
Have you tried turning it off and on again ?
Had you try beating the shit out of it
Have you tried reinstalling? That usually solves the issue.
Just clear your cache and empty your recycle bin, it’s so simple.
Thanks for making this. I'm a big fan of asmon but have noticed some unfairness recently. He does shout people out and has helped some channels grow in the past but I can see it being quite damaging to a creator now. I think the main problem is reacting to a video that's hours to only a few days old. It would make sense to wait a month before reacting so you wouldn't jump any views and hurt the original video much, as most of the views would've happened by then. At that point it would benefit both the reactor and the RUclipsr.
I also think not ripping the exact title of the reacted video is a very fair point, even somewhat ripping the thumbnail.
Asmongolds channel is run by other people, it seems like they have gotten a taste of the money for sure. It's been getting pretty OTT.
Plus shout outs and subs from reactors is t necessarily helpful, as people watch the reacted video in full, and if someone comes to your channel, they won't watch the video again. They may like the video but will tank the uploads watchtime, whilst helping the reacted reupload get recommended to others
His clickbait sucks. Same with Xqc
Yeah, reacting to videos that just came out or videos from channels that spend weeks or months making them (cartoons, video essays, etc) kinda kills them. Reacting to the 10th most recent upload is better than reacting to the most recent one.
@@bane2201 definitely
He doesnt even reupload his mods do it for him and he gets majority of the money from the channel. Same with Xqc.
@@bane2201 o0o0o0o bellurlar just dropped a new video on wow patch blablbalbla let's watch it! - asmon
Bellular video 10k views.
Asmon react video 250k views.
I always felt bad for bellurlar or even nixxium as I was subbed way before i was subbed to Asmon on RUclips, and asmon just straight watches the whole video as soon as its uploaded.
Man it's so true. The dumb thing is, I constantly click "don't recommend this channel" and RUclips continually recommends me the same channels after a 1 or 2 day break. I don't get it...
“Exposure doesn’t pay the bills” like artists and other people who do commissions have to tell their stupid customers all the time
Exposure for artists and youtubers works very differently
@@MossoDaBanana I am pretty sure you don’t get paid for a shout-out usually
@@ruffr4bb1t oh, but you do, in RUclips these shout outs direct people to your channel and they generate money for you by watching your videos. The difference is that in youtube, the consumer doesn't have to pay to consume the content and make you money, in the world of art, they do.
RUclips is killing itself.
Props to Muta for making videos even while kidnapped in Satan's kink dungeon
would that be a tenacious d reference?
That's what I hate about MoistCritical, he's a legit, funny and smart guy who often makes really good content. But sometimes when he's reacting to youtube content, he's just making horrible after horrible jokes to get some lols from twitch chat. Meanwhile I have no idea what the video is about because the volume of the original video is so low and he keeps talking over it.
The volumes always fine for me, Idk whats going on for you
@@johnnydo7138 Yea, I hate that type of content he makes, especially the NukeTop5ones. Annoying. He should just continue those skits with his friends and commentary, thats what I thrive of on his channel.
Same tbh now the only time i watch him is when he's playing some games or doing dumb shit in real life
@@theunknowman12 thankfully he rarely does reaction stuff after being called out by darkviper, which makes me visit his channel from time to time again.
@@theunknowman12 Ludwig, xQc, and Asmond however...
*Spotlights XQC, Asmon, Jinx*
"What about Charlie?"
Muta: "Hmm? Who?"
Charlie really doesn't do it anymore
Hated this type of shit for years, glad it's finally becoming a focus on mainstream RUclips. Sitting there idly for the length of a video with the occasional "that's crazy" isn't transformative content, it's lazy trash and it should just stop.
I think asmongold is an exception just because he's non stop pausing the video and applying his own thoughts and opinions. Basically he adds alot more to the video compared to the original and also other react streamers. If you disagree with me i would appreciate an explanation as to why.
@@maplesyrup4803 It isn't, there are a lot of reasons as of why but I'm gonna go for the most important one (but before that tho I just want to point out that this is not a personal attack on you or the fact that you enjoy his content, I'm just trying to discuss why I and a lot of people think that what he does with reactions is bad and hopefully make you give it a second thought).
Asmongold reactions are a complete substitute for watching the original video, it's not transformative, if you watch his reaction you have watched the full video, he has taken the hard work of independent video creators, used it for his own monetary gain and to further his growth in the algorithm and now there is no reason to ever consume the original work, since you have already watched it at full length.
Fair use is a really old and not that great of a law form a country I'm not even from, but I think a good point it has is that "You should not make a product that will be a complete replacement of the original while you are using that original material", A thing that is pointed out all the time on those disputes is that the stuff you add in is as important as the stuff you leave out so that the original work still holds value after.
If you compare that to a review of a video/movie/book/etc, a video essay that uses clips of the original, a remix of a song, a parody you can clearly see that they are not complete substitutes, the first 2 are dependent of you having watched the original work and don't provide the same value or experience, the other 2 bring a new twist to the work while making it fully their own, they have different tones than the original, different messages they try to convey, etc.
If Asmondgold wants to comment of internet videos he has a lot of ways to do so while making money and respecting the spaces of the creators, an example:
While on stream he can link the videos on chat put a timer on screen showing at what point in the video he is one, announce when he wants to pause to chat to discuss a section and when he wants to resume it, the original creator takes the views and chat gets the experience of the "friend I watch videos with simulator" that people that are into react content crave, then for the RUclips upload you pay the editors that he has to cut the sections of commentary of his stream with clips to give it context and cut the fat, when he is trying to find the words, or he is going in circles with his train of thought, etc.
But that will slow down his output of videos, make it so less people will watch it because it take a lot of more active participation from the viewer and make it so he just makes money, not "All of the money possible with the least amount of work" as he is doing now.
If you made it this long into my explanation I hope you at least give it some thought and thanks for reading my really long RUclips comment, have a nice one.
@@ShiroNero94 I appreciate the lengthy reply but damn this would require too much effort for me to continue talking about. Thanks for reading my really short RUclips comment, have a nice one.
@@maplesyrup4803 You asked for me to explain why I disagree if I were to say I disagree, and then someone else comes along and replies with a detailed and well worded explanation- And you chose not to read it.
Had I actually bothered to reply, my disagreement would have been in-line with the reply you got above, and also would have been about as verbose. If you ask for discussion, please be ready for discussion. Not everyone's perspective on things are gonna fit into the length of a tweet.
@@TheOneTrueStAN I read majority, i didnt expect such a lengthy reply, and i saw the message a day after so my interest for this topic has died out.
100% sure some creators have approached lawyers about this, but having to go up against a million dollar streamer's/twitch's/amazons lawyers would probably be a no go for all but the biggest firms.
I think RUclips creators can - and SHOULD - use Twitch's and RUclips's copyright claim system to claim or take down reactions to their videos.
I wish people like Mutahar did that - seems like he has pockets deep enough that he can afford to get into a legal battle if anyone fights back. Larger RUclipsrs coming after reactions first would make reactors slow/stop reactions, and a legal battle could set a precedent about reactions.
@@bane2201 it's all talk and no action. Muta may have good intentions but he will get massacred when the same people who watch him, go watch the streamers he's talking shit about, being streamers for a people issue is pretty fucking retarded. Siding with DVAU is pretty much the worst he can do considering he's not gonna do shit about the situation which HE also does. (Watch videos on streams.)
I think he's talking about critikal. Loved him a year ago now his channel is 90% re-uploaded twitch reaction
Exactly, glad to see a lot of people are noticing that
It’s something I’ve definitely been noticing too, but I have definitely waived it off because of added commentary, however, there are many channels which rip VODS of streamers without commentating and they also probably make bank on those.
ishowspeed channels, there are so many of them...
Asmongold is able to make like 7-8 videos a day from just reacting to the johnny depp trial it’s actually insane. And we were throwing fits over jinx a few years back and here we are now. Why bother sitting there for hours editing a video when you can take a raw cut video from your stream and stretch it out into multiple videos varying in length that get crazy views.
I can’t stand him. He makes money off of other people. People like him so it’s ok.
I don't get why people like him. He seems lame, and he has donkey teeth
@@gamer2101 I hope he gets banned lol
early on it was streamers reacting to other streams, or watching back clips of other streamers mentioning them. it was self-referential, but now its spilled over into very unscrupulous territory. a vast number of streamers have "double-dipped' by reuploading segmented streams, some have actually taken the time to edit down and compile them so the casual viewer doesn't have to slog through 3+ hours of garbage to view the few minutes of quality content. its starting to seem like these creators have burnout and they can't risk taking time away from their streaming platforms for fear of becoming irrelevant and losing subscribers.
IMO Twitch reactors are worse than the old RUclips reactors like Jinx and BlasphemousHD. Twitch reactors just sit there and get donations for hours on end with minimal commentary and sometimes just straight up leaving the room
I discovered Muta's channel from a react video from Charlie. I still discover new and upcoming RUclipsrs organically. I understand the concern though and I'm okay with a channel unless it's just PURELY react videos. Nothing wrong mixing content once in a while.
I mostly just watch reaction content for the opinion of the reactor in question, there's a lot of times where I didn't really like a video on it's own in a vacuum but then a reactor (I mostly watch Asmongold) does it and he generally has a big discussion with his chat and the video expressing his ideas, opinions, and examples
I agree that it kinda sucks that it is someone reacting vacuums up views, but there's a lot of times where I don't really care about the source material beyond the excuse to hear the reactor's opinions on certain topics.
I still think that whenever someone makes a reaction video, there should be an option in the video settings to tag a specific channel (ideally the video's owner) and they get a percentage of ad revenue, and that the views that go on the reaction video should be transferred as a metric to the source video (like show an individual metric of where views and revenue come from, and they still benefit in the system with people getting recommended.
Twitch mentality is mostly people watching the streamer/reactor for the personality behind it, rather than, for example, the game their playing. People like asmongold for asmongold, not for him playing wow, or whatever other games he plays. It's the same with whenever he reacts, people aren't necessarily caring about what he's talking about, moreso what he's making out of that via discussion/examples/etc
At the very least, I don't really see how it's out of reactor channel's power to simply compensate the original video owner with a cut of revenue made from a video after awhile, like a commission.
This. I also watch Charlie's react videos just to hear his opinion and jokes
In my POV, let's say if I was a creator on YT and someone on Twitch was reacting to it, I wouldn't really mind as long as they're actually paying attention to and actually talk about or tell a story on that topic that video that they're reacting to, but if they're just someone that would just giggle every now n' then and just stare, that's where it becomes unacceptable.. As much as I understand what Muta is saying, I feel like some reaction channels are actually OK because they actually say what they think about this in a not forced manner, but yeah.. I just hate reactors that just stare then suddenly tells their viewers to give a like and subscribe while not saying anything about the video that they just reacted to.
I personally hate the ones where they just steal someone else’s video and call it “twitch clips”
I've been watching vods of Asmongold reacting to the J vs A trial, and I love them. So I personally think he's doing the right thing here.
I was also under the impression that reaction videos automatically get all the revenue paid to the OP of the video, not the reaction video.
No they don't. You would have to claim it yourself, and if you're too late and that reaction already exploded in views... Tough luck.
@@nihili4196 Who cares though? They aren't *taking* from the original creator. The original creator is either unaffected or somewhat positively effected by someone reacting to their content.
Money the reactor made off their reaction video =/= money the original creator would have made had the reaction video not been done.
@@XavionofThera Analytics say otherwise. Leeches are almost always harming the OG creactor.
@@Silkanaa They don't though. The best people can show with analytics is that the react content didn't HELP the OG creator (at least not significantly). I'm not aware of a single instance where a video is reacted too and then receives LESS views because of it.
Those arguments come mainly the faulty assumption that views the react video received are views the original creator WOULD HAVE received had the react video not been made.
That's not the case.
@@XavionofThera the thing is that it does affect original creator.
They wouldn't make as much money off of it, but if their channel is growing steadily, it would grow either way eventually. But now that people can just request someone to watch it, they not only don't have to watch it themselves, reupload of the reaction will take over the searches on RUclips, effectively pulling people already looking for the video to the reactor, not original Owner.
totally agree with everything you have said in the video, but at the same time, i actually also enjoy watching some of these react type videos, specifically I've been watching asmongolds reacts to the depp/heard case. I enjoy having the dialogue to go with the content, and even though it is lazy comparitive to making unique content, it IS still enjoyable for people to watch. So maybe concessions like react video revenue can be split between the original creator and the reactor? There's always a workaround man there is definitely a way to make it work for everyone :)
If it profits are split then 90% of the profit should go to the content creator and 10% to the react streamer, because the content creator did 90% of the work
can't wait for asmongold's reaction to muta reacting to twitch streamers reacting to youtube videos
amazing vid btw it's a very smart look into the whole situation, always love your approach to these things!
The guy can or _will_ actually do it though.
I understand the idea of react content and how it can be abused on Twitch, I get it especially if it abuses copy right and is not allowed. But I need someone to explain it to me because if it's the meta how would it kill RUclips? In my mind I actually feel something like TikTok is killing RUclips more then react content.
Isn't Tiktok like 5 min maximum a video? i don't use tiktok so i don't know but if that was the case i don't think it would hurt creators much as it would help them advertise their content by posting short highlight clips of a long video
By reacting to RUclips videos you're abusing all the time it took that creator to make an old school, formal and nicely edited video.
Reaction streamers get to piggy back all that hard work while only putting in a fraction of the effort.
Killing RUclips may be a little bit extreme, but twitch reactors are essentially diluting the true work that someone put into a formal RUclips video.
the video is literally titled how it would kill youtube and muta explaining it lmao
Because if overall views go down (lots of people watching on a stream instead of watching the video themselves) the incentive to put effort into RUclips on the creators' side is less
Killing youtube is a bit of an exaggeration but at the end of the day it hurts smaller creators. If you want to know why/how then watch darkviperAU's videos.
P.S. Tiktok focuses on short form content which will never substitute what you can experience in youtube, while twitch streamers are basically streaming full yt videos so you don't have to go to youtube -_-
I think it’s time to awaken the ancient RUclips outrage. Like remember when we got pissed at the fine bros for trying to trademark the word react? Remember jinx?! Fuck this shit lets get MAD
Just commenting on this video to boost the engagement rate. Really a topic that should be discuss more since a lot of these reactors dislike when their "content" is being reupload on to youtube by others, because they wanted to upload a that content that they "worked hard for" and wants to profit off of it. Quite ironic if you ask me
The best part is watching twitch streamers react to a video on why twitch streamers reacting is detrimental to RUclipsrs.
Broke: getting a modern pc and installing Windows 98
Woke: Buying a computer from 1999 for $50 on Craigslist
Honestly wouldn't care if Twitch streamers actually reacted to the videos but they just stare blankly like a frozen frame and then act entitled saying its fair use and the video creator should be thankful/grateful for their video being watched by them
Some are good like Asmongold. As you can see in the video, Asmongold made 17 minute video into a 40 min
Staring blankly at a video isn't a reaction. It's just labeled as a reaction. Many groups, including people who do reactions, are getting lot of hate for something someone said about them that isn't even part of their group. Many groups online are getting hate for someone impersonating someone FROM the group and saying bad stuff, so the group gets bad rep. ... same with reactions... these "frozen frame reactions" aren't actually reactions...
its like saying "oh I didn't murder this person, it was just an accident" doesn't make you innocent if you did it with a purpose (thus becoming murder
@@hei7846 Asmongold just rambles for 20 minutes without actually saying much. It still doesn't make it fair use
@@hei7846 “ and the people who think they are picasso for hitting the pause button”
I'm also quite split on this topic, but I think it scatches the exact itch that I have when watching movie recaps.
Either I have already watched the video, and then watch the reaction of said video aftwards. (internet historian, micheal reeves etc)
Or I will never watch the original video, but only consume it because a person I enjoy listening to has something to say. (asmon, destiny etc)
Very rarely, even though it does happen, do I watch the original video after watching a reaction. (usually only songs tho)
Have you tries running it as a Refridgerator?
From a different perspective, I think its this goddamn algorithm that RUclips had brought in that demands so much with no freedom whatsoever that forces everyone to go with the current that is this whack ass algorithm.
The algorithm makes it look like people demands certain content strictly which I think limits a content creator to go with it for growth.
But also, I do agree with everything Muta said and well explained in this video.. it is the current state of stuff and its all lazy content for instant clicks :(
It's RUclips's algorithm combined with Twitch's lack of regulations.
One prioritizes daily uploads and amount of views gained in first few hours after uploading, other allows to create hours of easy content by repurposing existing content, no matter from where
As much as I love Charlie, everyone pretends like he doesn’t do it.
I was looking for this comment
I watched a reaction of his recently because "oh, he's the guy that actually had the stones to say "my bad" when the call outs first started"
turns out he's changed nothing and still just sits there thanking subs and going "Wait what?" once every 10min.
But it's okay because he's so nice and actually apologized. yesh.
I regrettably agree with you on this as someone who has been subscribed since the old days. He has succumbed to this trend and bitten the forbidden fruit of "infinite money glitch". Although his articulate commentary and dry sense of humour is still appealing sometimes, I kinda wish he'd return to his roots dubbing shitty teleshopping commercials and playing obscure games.
@@abserk He's always kind of been like this though tbh. The fact that he supports Belle Delphine and all people like her says it all.
THANK YOU!! why are more people not calling him out for this shit. I don’t even have beef with him I just hate his boring reaction videos.
But have you tried running it as an administrator? but on the real, the twitch reacts stuff is quite irritating. lowest form of content imo
Fancy seeing you here lol,is it okay if I ask ,are you ever gonna make more resident evil videos?
xD
Yo Roanoke! Awesome to see your comment here. I’m a big fan of your content!
all you do is "analyze" movies, try to make a movie or ANYTHING original...I'll wait.
@@fawnrot I mean he is well versed in biology, and has at least a passing knowledge in virology. Considering the gentlemen mostly analyzes the actual virus, contagion, or even monster and not the movies. I don't think you realize he has a second channel for debunking false scientific claims, totally original thought out content. What do you do that's original?
Critical is definitely guilty of this. He used to make fun of these people but now he just watches shows and youtube videos in their entirety. Sure sometimes he says "holy balls nipples" but he's still getting paid to watch someone else's entire video or show that they put effort into.
He also docent listen and has to rewach some parts, then he docent say anything meaningful whatsoever.
but he intentionally doesnt put the videos he watches on fullscreen just so he can have the channel and title on the screen at all times in case any of his viewers like the content and would want to go support their other videos and subscribe, he's doing a lot more for smaller creators than many others. It helps a lot for the growth of channels like that
@@mattnic001 I'd be interested to see how much him watching a video actually benefits a creator (or if it theoretically hurts them). I'd be willing to guess there isn't much benefit, especially when he watches TV shows or other pretty big creators.
Either way, without their specific consent it's a pretty scummy thing in my opinion, making money off of someone else's video without their permission with the potential maybe benefit of possibly giving them "exposure".
FUCK YES THANK YOU SOMEONE KNOWS !!! These hypocrits fought agaisn't the tide for so long until the sea swallowed them. There was a time where every single RUclipsr would critique and denounce reactions / watch parties.
Don’t forget xqc that guy is the final boss of react “content” just pauses videos then says “dudududududud” so sick of it being recommended to me
The worst is when they don't even react, when they are just sitting back eating a bag of chips or something 🤦
But they crunched a little louder and smirked at a joke. If that isn't transformative, I don't know what is!
Same thing anyway. This dumb stuff needs to be stopped
how about when they leave the room while a video is still playing.
@@dire213 the chair gives the better reactions anyway
@J M although i love xqc, he's still guilty of it, he drops a reaction sometimes at the same day of the youtube video being uploaded
I remembered when “content creators” like Jinx were heavily criticized for lazy react videos similar to Twitch streamer reactors not too long ago. Pretty annoying to see anyone questioning or critiquing streamers unforgivingly demonized for talking about such lazy content.
i think some of the youtubers that hopped on the anti-jinx bandwagon back in the day are now reacting on twitch themselves
Seriously though. Jinx (and others) got laughed right off the platform when iDubbbz lampooned him. A few years back Anime reaction channels (namely Suzy Lu) were starting to get flack for what they do as far as watching and not delivering any sort of commentary, but that died out pretty quick. Now everyone and their moms is a reaction channel. The new bread and butter seems to be reacting to Marvel and Disney animated films, and what we see on Twitch now.
I always loved BlastphamousHD. His reaction content was incredible, he was a really funny guy.
@@qrowing the difference between movie/show reactions and Twitch ones are that the former only use 10 mins of footage which is the max amount the distributor studio allows you and on top of it most do theory segments before and review segments after it's done, talk about it share opinions theories predictions the latter however just play the full video on the screen as they eat stare or just plain leave the room as it keeps playing which is just undefendable they literally give the creator nothing back the exposure argument is bs and it isn't worth to ve taken advantage of so they can make money out of your hard work the movie reactors pay the service that broadcasts it to watch the content at least
Those content creators were all full of shit and people believed them because they were considered the "cool kids"
What’s craziest to me is that I’m old enough to remember when RUclips users absolutely hated any form of react content, and many youtubers would post many many videos about how shitty it was for the platform and for the creators of videos that people reacted to. But now it seems like there’s no pushback on this sort of thing almost at all, with a lot of these youtubers who first called out “reaction” videos now doing it themselves.
Gen Z's effect on RUclips turned it all into essentially one big whirlwind of Jake Paul clickbait and really bad ideas
Because the kind of reaction videos back then were really bad. They would just stand there and say some catch phrases, if anything. That's not the case now, the good ones like Asmongold or SOMETIMES xqc and charlie, actually give entertaining or interesting commentary.
@@Ecliptor. "good ones like asmongold?" Dude is a fucking plagiarist who contributes nothing. Shame on you for calling him "one of the good ones."
Who does this kinda stuff? I thought most people still hated it.
@@davemccombs naah. There were people that hated it but they still had millions of subscribers before gen z even reached elementary. Plus the RUclipsrs who criticized the reactors we're basically reacting to the reactors, built up a fan base and became reactors themselves or spend the rest of their time talking about other RUclipsrs
I respect streamers like tyler1 because of this. He almost never reacts to any videos unless it specifically talks about him and people who make those videos want to see tyler's reaction anyway. Man clocks obscene amounts of time streaming almost every day. Granted I don't watch most of his streams because... league but I do check in from time to time and actually watch if it's something special like trip to Korea or 4th of july IRL streams.
him reacting to more plates more dates vid was hilarious
Truly built different
Jerma989 is good too as far as my knowledge goes
@@blessedafricarains6429 Jerma is a one-man circus. And I mean that in the most complimentary way possible
what a g
Yup it's out of control. Was fine in the beginning but now people are flat out stealing content for their monetary benefit.
It is totally out of control. Hassan is sitting there, stuffing his face with cereals watching a carefully crafted 30 or 40 minute video from a RUclips creator while nodding and saying "hmm hmm" every once in a while. $55.000 in donations in that 30 minutes. That is not Fair Use. That is taking the piss.
@@TheCloudhopper Hasan is a sentient pile of fecal matter. The Day of The Rope can't come quick enough.....
@@TheCloudhopper shit if I could be in his position doing that I wouldn’t complain money talks
How does Twitch work? - Can't we take over the comment function ala "Ein Volk, Ein Reich, Ein Kommentarbereich!" like the Germans do it all the time? Or can we posting shit to take down streams? I never used it, I don't know how this site is working. But we have to do something about it!
@@TheCloudhopper like many top streamers, honestly. It's wild
Worst part is most of them used to make actual content. Feels like they’ve retired.
I can name few of them in my mind, and already unsubbed them all.
How the fuck can you? Corporations are in bed with platforms and you also have the Fascist censorship (removing dislikes) and demonitization
@@MakotoIchinose name at least 5
yea
@@BeyondAIR15 PewDiePie
I'm glad Mutahar finally understands what his fans TRULY want, and has adapted by putting the G-fuel into the camera's focus instead of him
finally 😤😤😤
🤣🤣🤣
Elite comment
You got a giggle out of me good sir
lol
The twitch react and ice berg videos are going nuts right now. People just sitting back and watching other peoples videos while getting thousands of dollars through donations 😞
Ex: penguinz0 🤐
@@ÕkamiMeansWolf he used to be but not anymore
@@ÕkamiMeansWolf sitting there and pausing a video every once in a while is not transformative
@@ÕkamiMeansWolf he is not. However it still doesnt matter. People like reaction content since they are lonely and the parasocial feel of hanging out with streamer and chat while watching yt videos adds to experience
@@drsipp407 Hate to say it but true.
Charlie's channel is getting awful for this, just throws on a yt video, says "wow that's crazy" and clips it into a video
I think it's pretty funny that we mock people trying to pay artists/musicians with exposure but when Twitch streamers essentially do the same thing with RUclipsrs it's fine.
Not even comparable. Specially with "reactors" like Asmongold, who comment so much on the video that it's a meme to say that his reactions are 3x as long as the original video.
If you mean people that just stand there saying nothing, sure, but it's not the same case for everyone.
Not only that, but every single channel Asmongold watches gets thousands upon thousands of sub injections + views every video he watches.
@@Ecliptor. Again, that doesn't say anything about the quality of the reactions, or the long term effects of exposure. A lot of these supposed 'thousands of views' aren't consistent across channels or only occur for that video as opposed to natural growth that would affect the entire channel. It totally is comparable, but I agree it's not 1:1.
@@GekkoOne you clearly haven't watched a single one of asmongold's videos. React content on twitch is infinitely superior to youtube's because everyone is watching it live, so at the end a lot of people go to the channel and spam likes and subs.
You saying "supposed," clearly shows your ignorance in the matter.
@@Ecliptor. You've assumed both the subject and the target of my statement incorrectly, highlighting your inability or lack of interest in the convesation, but I can continue regardless.
Like spamming doesn't happen if the streamer doesn't link the video which is one of the major criticisms here. Even if it does happen, that's not a view and it's not a long term investment in the channel, which is what Muta was saying. Liking a single video without giving it a view maybe helps that single video grow, but it's not overall channel growth or revenue, so it's an irrelevant point.
I get that you haven't thought about this much, but you could've at least watched the video.
@@GekkoOne >Like spamming doesn't happen if the streamer doesn't link the video which is one of the major criticisms here.
See how you don't have a fcking clue about what you're talking about? Asmongold spams the link in chat about 50 times every single video he watches, also shoutouts the channel, tells the viewers what the channel uploads, and tells them to give them likes and subs.
Next time you're about to talk about something you don't know, don't press reply, you look like a clown.
Notice how Muta had already read the full document, watched Matt’s videos, THEN made a video and talked about it, and provided his own input, instead of firing up the mic and cam and filming himself having a 3 course meal and getting paid watching the potential hundreds of hours that Matt put into the document and vidoes altogether without Muta doing anything? Yea. THATS how it should be done. Hats off to Muta for standing up for whats right, and to Matto for never ever backing down when he knows what he’s saying is true.
That's real, quality commentary. We need more of that. Heck, to think we'd expect more given how H3H3 completely changed how reactions should be done. But the lazy way is the dominant way, it appears.
I love it whenever I see someone reacting to some content I've made, but there is definitely an argument its soaking up traffic that would otherwise go to smaller creators. But since I'm never ever going to claim these videos (since I like them), does that the make me part of the problem in a roundabout way? I dunno, its a weird thought experiment 🤔
But do you like the reaction (feedback) part of it or the video (advertisement) part of it?
Hey your heyzeus
@@SwooceCSGO *You're
@@maxzapom both
In a way, you are contributing to the problem for the rest of the platform. By essentially giving them the green light to steal your content, you are encouraging them to continue. And we are talking about stealing here, not criticism.
I'm glad some the bigger youtubes are talking about this finally. I remeber jay exci making video breaking down a lot of the argument thes people along time ago and alot twitch streamers critized him for it . So im glad more guys are coming to the same conclusion.
Hasan piker eating 24/7
Of course the twitch streamers will criticize them, they’re the ones benefiting from stealing others work
EFAP also reviewed that video and commented on the reaction to it and tore twitch reactors a new one. very long but very good video
I think reacting to (full) RUclips video on twitch was whatever - not 100% ethical but maybe an acceptable sin in the grand scheme of the internet I guess. Maybe I'm just tired of arguing the point.
Reuploading it to RUclips is pretty clearly just stealing content with extra steps, I don't think the measure of if it brings more or less traction to the original video is even relevant.
Damn I immedeately found the Sumito
Hey Mutahar, I see you're trying to boost this video's engagement by commenting on it.
Jokes aside, I agree. I'd say large Twitch streamers shouldn't react to full videos of smaller channels - especially the newest uploads or multiple videos like cartoons or essays (types that take a lot of time to create).
Honestly, I'd copyright claim that part of their streams and RUclips VODs.
As someone who hate twitch I enjoy the highlight reels. And I will watch some people rewatch stuff I've seen already
I'll be honest they shouldnt react to all of it, flat out. Because the traction gained is the most important part of the video, you dont make a video for people not to see it. So if you take away that traction it literally either takes longer to get the benefits of it or not at all
Wammy
"Twitch Reactors Are Killing RUclips... | Asmongold Reacts"
People respect Charlie on Twitch and while he does do a lot of cool original stuff, he also contributes to the problem greatly. I have never felt the urge to watch a video he reacts to in his streams on youtube. Why would anyone watch the videos twice? People have a weird double standard for him.
But i was able to find new creators through his videos.
i don't think there is anything wrong with react content
i think mutahar's problem resides with the youtube algorithm rewarding this content
which is a youtube issue, not an issue with the creators
@@arronalt uploading reaction videos are morally questionable. Atleast the og creator should be given a percentage of the ad revenue. But the ''reacting guys'' keep the entire sum to themselves.
@@senatorarmstrong2100 i agree giving some of the revenue to the creators is a more ethical approach
however it won't happen unless youtube makes it easy to do so, a video revenue share system for example
until there is no easy way to do so we can't blame the creators
@@arronalt then dont do reaction videos. Its as simple as that or stop making videos featuring the same handful of creators. That would stop their growth.
The difference is these people usually gain notoriety through other means and then phone it in. I think a big person who does this is critikal. I remember subbing to him for infomercial voice overs and edited video game videos. He gained about 1.5-2 million subs on high effort videos and then changed over to reaction videos. His personality is well liked from the reputation he built and is now able to just sit and react without getting backlash because if you do call out the content everyone will tell you how they like him etc.
I genuinely get so annoyed seeing charlies reaction content because yeh you can't even critise him
he's the one I genuinely cant stand because he is EVERYWHERE. I keep getting recommended his fucking twitch highlights and they are all the fucking same.
I like the videos Charlie makes about certain topics, but I can’t stand the parts of his twitch stream that gets added in for the context. His reactions feel bland and annoying. It annoys me the same way that it annoys me hearing/seeing Hasan Piker get up and leave his chair to do the reaction to the video. I also wish Charlie would include the title and creator name of the RUclips video he’s watching, because I’m one of the types that might want to watch that video to get the full context of what Charlie is talking about.
@@Polyeurythane Agreed, charlie including the name of the original video and creator is the very least he could do. I think he's gotten better about that, but he's still not reliably doing it every time.
@@Polyeurythane oh yeah. My biggest issue is he watches all the same videos a every other streamer and his comedy/reactions are all pretty much the same. I mean he's making the same jokes he made 5 years ago.
My favorite anomaly i've seen come out of Penguinz0 being a reactor on twitch is the fact that youtubers record his livestream and then post it on their channels. Half the time I don't bother watching Penguinz0's videos because someone like Tendo Posted it already a day before Penguinz could. It's like 3D chess
Ah yes the twitch streamer's clip channel industrial complex. All of the big twitch streamers have one. Just several channels clipping and shipping parts of their streams to youtube, normally without permission.
@@mcslayer9796 bruh people very commonly post entire streams from huge streamers its crazy lmao
@@mcslayer9796 Yeah, exactly that. It's not just penguinz, like you've said just about every big twitch streamer has a RUclips channel clip dealer
I wouldn't mind if he'd only upload like a edited highlight from his stream but lately it's pretty much a vod from the stream
Oh, a fellow Tendo viewer.
Remember we used to shit on Jinx and react channel youtubers in 2013-2016 what the fuck happened
I love how we went through all the react nonsense with jinx back in the day but history came back and repeated itself goodjob humans we are walking contradictions
Makes you feel sorry for Jinx LMAO
Meanwhile Tyrone Magnus is still doing Jinx level content and stealing shit.
For real everyone was hating on Jinx, Pewdiepie and others. But they all started doing a level of reaction themselfs.
Its the hypocrisy for me.
@@hazey5736 you mean simp herders and online gambling addict advertiser? 😂 so creative
Jinx got shat on so twitch streamers could piss on smaller youtubers, tragic
What really gets me is when the viewers complain about the reactor talking or pausing the video too much. At that point just watch the original video
Lonely people getting pissed at people acting like people.
Those guys clearly never have any friends. People shouldn't even acknowledge them complaining anyway.
I should know. I'm one of those lonely guys.
@@johnnydo7138 Guess I'm deranged
I remember when I was watching Charlie react to this Nexpo video and homie starts reading the chat when something interesting happens. It's hilariously frustrating.
@@zacksilverstone7642 hey, hey, you're insulting the majority of Twitch viewers, chill.
@@zacksilverstone7642 Don't have to call me out like that
Dunkey pointed out this problem long ago in "i am done with youtube "video. The hilarious thing was twitch streamers reacted to it and they got roasted so hard by thier own chat lol
I want to take you back to 2015-2016, when reaction channels were hated by all for doing the exact same thing. “Creators” like Jinx will forever live in infamy for their lazy reaction content. Meanwhile, most of Twitch’s biggest names are doing reaction content like crazy, except I argue it’s even lazier because it’s broadcasted live, it doesn’t even require any editing, but they can do it because everyone respects them.
There is still some reaction videos that add some more substance to the videos they’re reacting to, like SailorVince.
Watched this guy add more knowledge to The Cost of Concordia and Das Boot, as well as seeing him react to the video too.
blasphemoushd was the worst for it
For me, I used to like Jinx a lot bc he reacted to funny stuff and helped me find new stuff at the time.
There was this reaction channel i used to watch who actually was putting work and was way different then most reaction channels. I will not say who as he mentioned he did not want to be remembered In his last video before he left the site.
@@Phonetic007 old bhd was good imo. New bhd sucks, I don't even know what he's up to since I haven't watched him in years. The money got to him bro.
I stopped watching penguinz0 because I click his videos expecting something interesting and it’s just a reaction I’d rather watch without him
I'm really glad to see several creators talking about this recently, in some form or another. It is seriously the most disgusting part of twitch and RUclips rn
Muta literally does reaction streams
@@nadeko4562 he doesnt reupload his streams
@@nadeko4562 i wouldn't know but if he does then yeah that's blatant hypocrisy
@Big Brother I agree with but just so you know weather or not it is breaching dmca doesn't matter it's the fact overall, react videos in general are bad for RUclips as a platform
@@nadeko4562 not sure what reactions Muta does. As i dont watch twitch. But the problem is with:
1. Streamers eating/leaving during "reaction" video. Basically using someone else's work as entertainment when streamer cannot entertain himself
2. Reacting to non-repeatable videos. Music videos, clips, shorts, tiktoks - such videos are repeatable and you can watch them multiple times. Non-repeatable videos are one, that require to spend a lot of time and effort creating them.
3. Reuploading full-length reactions to youtube, where it competes with original videos for views.
These are major problems with reaction content
Remember when the whole youtube community banded together to stop react channels on youtube? I feel like alot of people lost a spine after those days because people are less willing to call out BS just because the creators who are doing are well respected and big.
@VoretubeAnimations correlation doesn't mean causation
@@phillipanselmo8540 it's definitely part of the cause
I 'member.
RUclips encourages selling out
@@samuel_goopster6600 I mean, I don't think that's true. Because it's not like commentary channels stopped things from happening, all they did was talk about it
Please don’t scrap this project. Getting it out there to inform everyone is vitally important to the future of youtube and twitch
Both don't need a future if they went back to basics
i dont watch hasan , xqc, asmongold or pokimane but i still get them recommended to me even after hitting do not recommend. im convinced it does nothing.
But Muta, have you tried running it as administrator?
I enjoy "react" content when it's more of a deep dive by a qualified person. A reaction to a court case by a lawyer, a reaction to an interrogation by a mental health specialist or retired cop, sports plays/MMA fights tore down by ex-players,live performances judged by vocal coaches or drummers or something. Content that actually gets something added to it by the "reaction". Pretty much learning new things and getting other things further explained. Putting on a video to watch while you're eating isnt content. Using someone elses content to "create" entertainment for your audience while you do nothing shouldn't be a thing.
Yeah like Gamology
yeah attourney tom fans wya?
TomatoAnus and The Ink Tank are 2 channels that come to mind, TA breaks down speed running strats real time with the help and input of the actual runners themselves, while the Ink Tank are a group of artists and when they break down Ben 10, the main guy is able to point out animation effects and errors that wouldn’t be seen by casual viewers.
If you like History, I suggest VTH(Vlogging Through History).
The guy was underrated and pretty knowledgeable in history, so he can give a proper contexts to video he react to.
PokémonChallenges reacts to Pokémon nuzlockes by other streamers/RUclipsrs, but gives genuine advice for optimal plays and good feedback. He doesn't only react tho, he plays nuzlockes himself.
I love how videos calling out reactors are the ONLY videos reactors are refusing to react to
And how Viper is literally reacting to stuff these days. So many anti react people REACT TO CONTENT
Yea, i love that too. Even when it is literally just mentieoned for 3 Seconds or less, there will be no reaction. But the next video: Fine.
Also in Germany a larger RUclipsr calculated how much money those reactions streamers made with his video, and also called a few of those People out on how they would replace his In-Video ads with their own sponsorships. And because he is a bigger youtuber, the German reaction channels simply couldn't ignore the video, and while they watched it they disagreed on pretty much every point he made, even tho he made like the GoTo point: "People can discover you this way".
It was pretty funny to see imho
I mean yeah why tf would they? Nobody is gonna sit there and start drama
@@IDoABitOfTrollin Are you literally what your name suggests? A troll? If you are, you're failing at it
@@IDoABitOfTrollin doesn't he only react to stuff in his subreddit? You know... The stuff that was made so he could react to it??
One thing I don't like is the argument of: I'm tired so I must've worked really hard. Literally anyone can sit in front of a screen and for 11 hours and literally everyone will get tired afterwards. The reactors just have the money to support that kind of lifestyle. They got that inital bag by either actually being skilled, funny, or pretty and now just react to get money after the fact.
They should stop pretending like they're making a sacrifice for content. They've got more than enough money to focus on doing what they used to do but they won't, because they KNOW it's harder to create content and they CHOOSE to react because it's easier. As long as it's legal, I can't say that they shouldn't do it at all, only that they're really making it seem like they need to do this when in reality, they choose to.
Except it isn't legal. Because it is not fair use. They just get away with it because they're stealing from people who don't have the clout or monetary resources to fight back.
Unless you mean reactions that fall within fair use, in which case, I agree.
Yeah and in the case of these streamers it's not even because they -have- to in order to make any money at all. They're doing it because it's easy free money and they're greedy cunts. They could very easily tone down their streaming time from 11 hours to 8 and still make more money than 90% of the US population.
cant wait to see xqc babble his way through this on his stream and make zero good points and then reupload it
EZ MONEY
Mizkif too probably
I don’t understand the point of watching someone watch a video if they’re just sitting around not adding to it. I think a lot of it comes down to parasocial stuff where people feel like they’re watching stuff together as opposed to watching by themselves.
I mean I’m not against people reacting to other videos or something as long as you’re giving your own commentary on the video and making it entertaining but if it’s just watching the video and not giving a reaction then I will not like that
bingo
Some people just like watching people they like react to stuff they like. I'm one of those people. I like seeing how they react to it and what they think of it. Sometimes I watch the same video 10 times because I watch someone new react to it.
The same reason you probably have a small handful of youtubers you tend to watch their videos of on a regular basis. People like the personality/mindset/opinions of the person they're watching.
when it comes to asmon I look forward to waht he will say during the video.
So for years now the internet had agreed that "paying" artists with exposure is a very shitty thing to do.
HOW IS THIS ANY DIFFERENT
because its popular streamers that some people like doing it, not random angry people on facebook
People are blinded by their parasocial relationships with the creators they like. Best example I can think of is critikal. Every time I'd criticize the fact he just reacts to content and gets subs for it, his fans would jump on me like rabid dogs. "HE'S GIVING EXPOSURE TO SMALL CONTENT CREATORS" Yeah, and taking 99% of the audience in return. I was cringing at the fact he gets frequent Twitch subs for just watching RUclips........... but he can never be wrong apparently.
normies LULE
@@thegamerfe8751 The same parasocial shit, but you know he is not as bad as this X content creator I don't like, please get offended and criticize that content creator instead of mine, mine is good
@@DajuSar The fuck ?? I never said I was ok with his reaction stuff, I only said that he actually does react instead of watching the entire video silently. I never gave any opinion on him, I was only stating objective stuff.
xqc fans are real silent now
I remember a quote stated by Alpharad before he became as big as he is now on a video:
"You build a brand. You build a name and they learn to admire and trust it. And once you put all this effort filled content out there, now you can do something like this. Something effortless, something easy but people will still flock to it out of trust alone."
Even though it was on a video of Rollercoaster Tycoon, it was all satirical based off content in entertainment, especially RUclips. People continue to watch content from people they trust even when they know the content isn't very good, but I guess that's the harsh reality of working in the entertainment venue.
True.
Are you going to alpha-con this year?
critikal watching a 40 minute video in complete silence while eating food and only pausing to go pee:
Careful now, xQC's kindergarten fanbase is gonna have their pitchforks ready.
As a fan of xqc and in kindergarten, I can agree that he does copy things and just sits back and watch. He does make it more funny and gives commentary but you cannot deny it is kinda lazy and easy money.
*sporks
I'm a juicer
@@calibursatsujin3112 dont want them to hurt themselves now do we
At least he reacts harder
I remember during the dawn of the golden age of RUclips when everyone was rallying against the "webcam in the corner" react channels. Oh the turntables...
Yup, I remember years ago talking to my friends about how bullshit it is that Critikal and other streamers do the reaction content and not getting any shit for it, and they acted like I was crazy when the reality was they don’t wanna criticize some of the people guilty of it because they enjoy the content creators
@@elderrusty541 100%. I would comment on critikal's react videos about it, and of course the comment section went apeshit on me for it aha. But it's true. It really doesn't matter if it gives the original smaller channel a potential shoutout. 99% of viewers will not be going to that channel. They will just wait for the highlights from Charlie. Sad, really. And it's sad how many people defend that practice, because he's "shining light" on small creators. Meanwhile, he's casually getting Twitch subs left and right while watching other people's content. Why is this enabled? Why do people defend this? Blind support of people they enjoy watching, that's all.
@@metcas I attacked a creator and his fans defended him.. so wierd
@@IDoABitOfTrollin
*How about let’s do constructive criticism and maybe that might help lol*
@@IDoABitOfTrollin Mindless fans. You can be a fan of someone and recognize they are not perfect. But everyone acts like they are immune to criticism.
For those who're still trying to defend most of this let me paint a bigger picture. You're an animator, and you make 2D, 3D, pixel animations whatever. A bigger content creator or Twitch streamer watches your entire video, and they continue to do so every single time you upload. Although you may not upload videos often you spend half of the year making some damn good animations. The person reacting to *your* content isn't crediting *you* the creator. Your video is sitting at like what, 500 something views while the person who keeps reacting to your content gets over 200K and keeps gaining subs while you still don't have a lot yourself. I know of a friend who had that same situation happen and he was able to take this Twitch streamer to court and have them take the videos down, and as soon as that happened my friend started gaining the proper credit he deserved in the first place. Channels like Corridor Crew I'm fine with as they react to blockbuster movies and give actual proper lessons on techniques they've used in animation before. Basically, what I'm saying is if you're the type that just uploads someone's full video without doing transformative work of your own or not giving the proper credit you're not helping, you're hurting someone's chances at making RUclips their actual career and I hope that something bad happens to you for doing so.
well that's not equal to asmon adding twice the watch time to muta's video (17 minutes to 30 minutes)
and youtube rewarding higher watch time that's an issue with youtube not the creators who are being transformative
also can you give more sources on this story, surely a reactor who gets 200k is quite known and i can just search it all up with their name?
You must understand that in your example 99,9% of those 200k views won't be on your video anyway, they're not yours, those 200k don't watch your video on the react one, they watch someone they watch on a regular basis react to a video that just so happened to be yours. Sure some of those 200k would go and watch the original one or even drop a sub, but it's going to be a tiny amount in comparison.
@@ProtossOP It's not necessarily about the point of if they watch your video but that reactors still steal views and watchtime from everyone in the platform or other platforms. Sure you may not gain those 200k views but around 200k people will just watch something else. Maybe some on your channel giving it a boost but either way they won't be watching the reactor.
At that point I would just abandon that channel, and start a new on.
The thing is most twitch streamers who react to someone who clearly put a shitload of work into making good content usually credit the creator in question, streamers like hasanabi or moistcritikal come to mind here, in fact it would be quite difficult to hide the original creator of said content from your audience, since you're literally watching the video with them. And the exposure they gain from it usually outperforms the amount the streamer has gotten on his stream reacting to your content. Although I do agree that uploading full react videos with minimal to no commentary on youtube is a bad thing.
I started my channel reacting to Anime (food wars) and even with me basically talking over the entire 16 minute thing, I was hit with every strike under the sun.
I quickly realized that if I want to work with these companies in the future, I can't have that content. Reactions are such a fine line of blatent content theft and value.
So that's what happened to them, good to know
Dang, I remember watching those when they came out
@@Sashi_60 the anime and his commentary and corrections inspired me to do more home cooking to the point where I cook more than my mother, it's a shame to see it go, but I'll live.
if someone is reacting to the content in its entirety, it simply is theft and that's it
rip
Pyro uploaded a full video of his vod reacting to the entire emesis blue 2 hours long barely any transformation content its really sickening I feel bad the the actual content creator having their months of work leached off of other youtubers with minimal reward while the reactors gain all the benefits.
I think we've grown to only expect the worst from Twitch
You could probably replace “Twitch” with any other social media platform and people would still agree with you.
And the majority of muta's streams are reaction of youtube videos
@@nadeko4562 yeah literally 100% of his content revolves around other peoples content
@@BigOwl51 there’s a big difference, muta and some others like cr1tikal have transformative videos where they add their own input while the vast majority just sit there or sometimes are sleeping or not even there.
@@Idk-do1ui and yet here we are. Giving Google, Twatter,Facebook etc.. our time and attention.
We are in too deep to escape and that's the sad part
How people find reaction streamers like Pokimane entertaining is alien to me.. why would I watch someone with an out of touch personality watch a video instead of watch the source.
Lonely people with parasocial relationships do weird things, they probably feel like they are watching it with a friend/friends(chat) and not alone
@@tbone8644 True. Streamers attracts lonely people in desperate of any slither of social interaction.
@@JudicialBrat This! now I may be a 30 year old boomer, BUT I still don't understand twitch other then maybe live streaming tournaments. The fact that some streamers have become millionaires does not compute. I also don't understand how people would rather watch someone play a game rather then play the game themselves. Boggles my mind.
@@shortyorc121 I'll watch a Let's Play if I'm too busy to play a game myself. Or a streamer if I want to see high-level play. But just watching a streamer watch something else is where I lose all interest. At that point it's just viewers trying to "hang out" and getting hooked to a parasocial relationship.
@@shortyorc121 it's usually because they don't have the money, (kids & teens) people who are interested in it, but want to see more gameplay before deciding to see if it's worth it or not to buy it, and for people like me, who want to see a walkthrough so they don't get stuck on a part...Or for background noise while you do something else.
its amazing how well the jinx situation is still relevant after all this time, and ironically people like xqc are even worse than him now
I like critical, but sometimes he just doesn't do enough when he 'reacts' other than burping
He also shouldnt talk about drama and actually important stuff cuz he is utterly incapable/unwilling to properly research stuff
usually I just see the video and watch it instead of his
Same here bro, he doesn't even let you know that it's a reaction vid from the thumbnail, I unsubbed
I wonder if he will stop since this topic is getting big
@@hautoa1513 fucking this. Honestly when I watch his drama videos, either it's clickbait "I have fucked up" and it's just a one word no one cares about or just a really surface level understanding of a drama
RUclips could allow some watch party feature so streamers can watch videos with their viewers. That would atleast give the video the proper views it deserves.
Looking at you, Hasan, Pokimane, XQC, and such.
Watch out they'll be angwy
I think a lot of people's tolerance for reactors is if they "punch" up or down. MCU reactors even got embraced by the company as part of the fandom, no one really is bothered by them and whatever potential revenue lost is minimal. But reacting to similar-sized/smaller youtuber's full video is taking adsense right out of the pockets of somebody that wanted to buy groceries or make their car payment. Much bigger relative impact on the OG creator.
I'm pretty sure MCU reactors don't upload the whole movie either. It's not a direct replacement, as there is still value in watching the original in full.
RUclips reactions are even more transformative since they need to edit it down to suit copyright restrictions and can only leave in when they’re actually reacting the most.
Even if it’s still not good it’s better than the slobs on twitch do
Normies LULE
MCU reactors are also bad though. Although it's ironically for the opposite reason. Marvel WANTS reactors because it adds extra videos on to the feed to be recommended to people. The product isn't the trailer, it's the movie, so the reactors are essentially helping marvel steal impressions from other content creators for free.
If these reactors were reacting to the entire movie though (which is the equivalence of what most youtube reactors actually do), Marvel would instantly copyright strike them. Those videos wouldn't be up for even 30 seconds before RUclips would take them down.
@@chrikke I literally explained why in the comment? Did you only read the very first sentence or something?
Finally, someone has the balls to address this issue.
A good man named DarkViperAU made several videos about the issue within the past week before this one came out. Highly recommend. Glad Mudahar could put his input in as well.
Darkviperau has also made a lot of videos covering this
jay exci has already addressed this issue
DarkViperAU has been talking about this for months
@Flare dude u r way too oversimplifying it u gotta have an audience gotta know how to keep peoples attention u gotta be somewhat funny. it is not as easy as “just launching obs and playing games” there’s a lot to do before u even get 1 consistent viewer.
Although Muta made no direct mention of Charlie, he is still absolutely referring to him. Charlie shouldn’t get off easy for doing this when he is equally as guilty. He may add his commentary, but that alone does not make his content transformative. His content clearly violates fair use and we shouldn’t be making excuses for him. I’m saying this because I’ve seen a lot of people saying Charlie’s content is ok when it’s really not.
I have only seen his RUclips videos and he himself has talkobout the issue, as i see none going after charlie i guess he was fine, is it really that way on his streams?
@guyguy463 Thank you so much for this
@@Rprot_traveler I can’t watch his streams for that exact reason, but from what I’ve seen, it’s definitely not fair use. The video that comes to mind is his video about Drake and Josh not being friends. It was a 30+ minute video clipped from his stream of him reacting to a 13 minute video. It has long stretches of him just staring at the screen in silence while the video plays
But he’s a Big and Respected RUclipsr so people turn a blind eye or defend him
I feel low effort, daily upload, cash grab, clickbait videos are what’s killing RUclips, at least for me.
Then don’t sub to trash creators. My feed is fine 95% of the time.
@@nektarsolne4niy804 fr. this notion that there's nothing good out there is one I see a lot with movies too - just search for stuff, there's good content out there.
A bunch a shit twitch streamers aren’t going to kill RUclips. That’s like crushing an ant and thinking you’ve killed the entire colony.
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Except the “reactors” aren’t just crushing one ant. They’re crushing several ants every day and fucking up tunnels in the anthill
what u described is the literal definition of the reaction garbage coming massively from Twitch. Low effort, clickbait, daily upload (actually, its more like 20x daily upload,those videos are THAT easy to do) and cash grab, mainly, the views and revenue from the original creators. Thats the only goal,to quickly syphon and parasite,as much as possible, other people content,without any effort to create ACTUAL content