I'm a simple man. I see LSV and vintage cube in the same title - i binge watch it. Thank you for adding timemarks in the description when the different matches start! very comfortable to watch it this way.
It's always great to watch a master at work! Having drafted the cube yesterday, even though I make Cube content here on youtube, it goes to show that I still have a long way to go! Keep up the great work!
Wheeling Shrine of Burning Rage, Sulfuric Vortex, Goblin Guide and Eidolon of the Great Revel just in pack 2. Man, the mono red deck would have been bonkers.
30:00 "I could bounce the beast and attack" That was the best play. Bounce the beast token and animate Fumarole. Attack with everything. Opponent blocks Fumarole and you get in for 4 putting your opponent to 2. Sack Ballista and ping opponent for 2. GG
I'm new to the vintage cube draft. Can someone tell me why he doesn't pick the sword of fire and ice/femine and feast? They seems pretty good in the draft.
Game one match one you won anyways, but would it have been best to pithing needle the mox then incinerate the phantasmal image to persist another woodfall primus ? I would think it just significantly lowers the number of outs opponent could have
i dont get the terrastodon situation at 28:53. how is lsv going to kill him? a 9/9 plus 3 3/3 for the forests. opponent has still 6 mana next turn. can someone explain this please?
Can somebody explain to me why he would choose island over volcanic island so many times? That play doesn't really make sense to me as volcanic island is better than island in almost every situation. For instance at 43:41 he plays an island over vol island, even though they knew that card was in his hand?
at 18:27, would it have been better to Ancestral your opponent because you had sphinx out? You would have been able to draw six as opposed to three right?
I there any time it would be a decent move to recall opp so you get to draw 6? You get the same CA and opp is likely to need to discard. Will give him mana though.
At 30:55 why did you dig? you could of pumped balista up to 2, untap pump twice up to 4 untap pump to 6=lethal. Edit: terrastadon is a factor nvm its a valid line.
Im sure this is reckless but there was potential lethal in game 2 of match 3. If the walking balista was pumped twice when the opponate was at 11 and your board was ballista snap and 3 gobs, the attack would of been for 8 with 3 shots left to finish them off. This line is interesting that if they have removal in response to one of the ballista pumps you could still get one pump in on the stack and ping down for 2, this leaves your opponate at 4 and your board state the same minus ballista if all goes wrong, but if not interrupted is lethal.
Missed lethal at 1:00:30? spend 8 mana to pump ballista after no blockers are declared for +2 dmg, then drop 3 counters to ping them down for the rest of their 3 life
Upsetting that you had an opponent with almost no mana, and a Sphinx + Ancestral that you didn't live the dream by targeting the opponent and drawing 6.
I fully fail to understand why the round 2 opponent didn't just off 3 of their own lands with terastodon and go on the beatdown. Upheaval is relatively uncommon, as are wildfire effects.
Just colorless ramp. When he drafted it there was a slight chance he'd play green or black; but when he put it in his deck it was just "1, tap: add 2 colorless mana to your mana pool". He would've played a card with that exact text.
It's widely accepted that Timetwister is the least powerful of the p9, and that sol ring is more powerful by far. Especially in cube, sol ring -> black lotus in most cases.
well sure timetwister on its own is not op. its powered because u can shuffle your yard in aswell as far as i understand it. edit: being able to go infinite in combo decks
Timetwister is more broken than sol ring when you can play 4 black lotus, 4 ancestral, and 4 time walk. That was when the Power 9 were named. Sol Ring was also reprinted in Revised edition, and none of the Power 9 were reprinted past Unlimited. And it was an uncommon and all the Power 9 were rares. Also back when the Power 9 were named, tempo in magic wasn't that well understood. There were no 4 mana planeswalkers, and answers were tons better than threats. It was a different game.
Timetwister is fucking disgusting though. It's not as good in Cube, where you can't set it up right, but in a constructed game the typical first turns when it's allowed go "play first six cards in hand (multiple moxen and whatever else included), Timetwister, get dual effect of refreshing hand and completely invalidating every mulligan the opponent took."
In the right deck, even lacking the Moxen doesn't change how dumb Timetwister can be. People really underestimate the opponent draw as an upside. It might not seem like it, but when people are willing to mull down to rather low numbers to get at least some of their combo pieces at the start, completely invalidating their mulligans can be a massive play. Also, it helps that any deck that uses it you're going to have ways to reuse or grab anything it dumps anyway. Taken with that it's a big play. (It's not that it's good in 100% of decks, it's that in 100% of the decks that want it, it's stupidly overpowered. Given how the game was back then, that's a massive play. Does that mean it's not as powerful as some of the other cards in the Power Nine? Yeah, but the best card in the game was in Alpha and isn't considered Power Nine anyway, so the name's not exactly perfect.)
The only thing I prefer about multiple videos is there tends to be more discussion on each game in the comments. In this video, we're basically just seeing all the "YAY LSV VINTAGE CUBE!!!!" comments that would usually be in the drafting video, and nothing on the matches/games themselves. Aside from that though, a single video is far more convenient.
I think countering channel would have been the actual play (not just in hindsight). They had so many cards in hand that not countering was way too greedy.
i disagree wholeheartedly. its hard to pull off sometimes and you get can punished easily but mostly it tends to lean towards dull matches. If the storm player goes off he spends the game goldfishing, and this usually takes a long time, lots of thinking. If he doesnt, he land-gos the whole game his opponent wins by tapping his creatures sideways a couple times with no interaction. interactionless magic is bad enough in constructed, but at least those games can be fun post-sideboard. i like cube because you get to battle with all the sweetest cards ever but storm, either playing with or against, just doesnt feel like magic.
When highlighting cards with presumably your middle mouse button you accidentally scroll the picks down a lot of the time. This scrolling is highly annoying to me. Can you please try to do that less? Love the vintage cube though, hope to see more!
I'm not actually. I've been watching LSV draft since about the time they started doing the videos on channelfireball. This just is the first time I bothered commenting about it because the scrolling was especially egregious in this one.
I'm a simple man. I see LSV and vintage cube in the same title - i binge watch it.
Thank you for adding timemarks in the description when the different matches start! very comfortable to watch it this way.
LSV? Check. Vintage cube? Check. A lovely summer evening with the weekend around the corner? 3/3 ain't bad. Oh and he's in blue. Glorious.
right!?!?! this blue/r deck is so sick! but that round 2 channel deck was also super broken!
And he drafts the most LSV deck of all time
It had no divinations and no 8 or 9 drops so it lost a few points for me. Its not a true lsv deck without divination or multiple 8+ drops
Okay fair
Treasure cruise is a 8 dropp and The vintage cube version of divination doe.
I prefer having the draft and matches all in one video! Thanks Channel Fireball!
It's always great to watch a master at work! Having drafted the cube yesterday, even though I make Cube content here on youtube, it goes to show that I still have a long way to go! Keep up the great work!
"The simple minded nature of UW Cheons." LSV=relentless savagery
UW*
bahhahahahh
too soon
FINALLY MY FAVORITE VIDEOS HAVE RETURNED
17 seconds in and i gotta give you props on the new mic! Sounds great! Excited to continue watching!
The timestamps for each match make this video format perfect, please never go back to the separate videos.
How terrified is the opponent at 21:00 seeing Jace AOT and Image hit the bin?
Interesting. LSV played 41 cards in that last game. Somebody tell PVDDR!
Was wondering if anyone else noticed that
This was a beautiful draft. Also I appreciate the one long-form video rather than dividing it by rounds.
My love of LSV videos and Beaglerush videos are colliding with this comment.
I would donate all of the money to watch Beagle play Magic or LSV play XCOM. All of it.
At 1:00:36, could you have pumped ballista twice, swung for 8, and then removed the counters from ballista to deal the remaining 3 damage?
this truly is some of the best content on this channel
just a clinic in value. Thanks LSV!
Running back 41 cards. I am disappoint. Still another inspiring draft from LSV. Well played, sir.
I am loving the one-video drafts/leagues on CFB. So much nicer to watch.
Wheeling Shrine of Burning Rage, Sulfuric Vortex, Goblin Guide and Eidolon of the Great Revel just in pack 2. Man, the mono red deck would have been bonkers.
Always name Abandon Hope
30:00 "I could bounce the beast and attack" That was the best play. Bounce the beast token and animate Fumarole. Attack with everything. Opponent blocks Fumarole and you get in for 4 putting your opponent to 2. Sack Ballista and ping opponent for 2. GG
I'm new to the vintage cube draft.
Can someone tell me why he doesn't pick the sword of fire and ice/femine and feast?
They seems pretty good in the draft.
Game one match one you won anyways, but would it have been best to pithing needle the mox then incinerate the phantasmal image to persist another woodfall primus ? I would think it just significantly lowers the number of outs opponent could have
Your audio is always slightly ahead of the video, is that on purpose?
JamesZeroSix it helps us Bluetooth headphone users
yes! my favorite magic online content, it's not close. though the vsl and lsv's vintage constructed decks also do it for me.
i dont get the terrastodon situation at 28:53. how is lsv going to kill him? a 9/9 plus 3 3/3 for the forests. opponent has still 6 mana next turn. can someone explain this please?
LSV vintage cube is my favourite!
Can somebody explain to me why he would choose island over volcanic island so many times? That play doesn't really make sense to me as volcanic island is better than island in almost every situation. For instance at 43:41 he plays an island over vol island, even though they knew that card was in his hand?
Looking forward for an LSV storm video! :D
The Lodfelt Brothers check his twich channel for sweet storm deck he drafted last night ;)
Will do!
how do you pass on a yogs will at that stage?
Jace is so brutal, so much value.
at 18:27, would it have been better to Ancestral your opponent because you had sphinx out? You would have been able to draw six as opposed to three right?
Yes but then he's giving gas to his opponent, and that's horrible ass oppose to just drawing a smaller amount of cards
I there any time it would be a decent move to recall opp so you get to draw 6? You get the same CA and opp is likely to need to discard. Will give him mana though.
HugSeal42 Giving your opponent card selection is rarely worth it. Also, doom blade you sphinx in response.
At 30:55 why did you dig? you could of pumped balista up to 2, untap pump twice up to 4 untap pump to 6=lethal.
Edit: terrastadon is a factor nvm its a valid line.
God, Luis! There was Tendrils and YawgWin in pack 1.
Sick burn on Cheon
That was a forty one card deck he submitted in game 2 of match 3
Mono red AND mono green wide open? Where are these tables when I'm drafting cube?
tendrils and yawgmoths will tabling? storm was so open
LSV's mockery at 29th minute is kinda vicious.
Why play the signet instead of phantasmal imaging the consecrated sphinx?
Im sure this is reckless but there was potential lethal in game 2 of match 3. If the walking balista was pumped twice when the opponate was at 11 and your board was ballista snap and 3 gobs, the attack would of been for 8 with 3 shots left to finish them off. This line is interesting that if they have removal in response to one of the ballista pumps you could still get one pump in on the stack and ping down for 2, this leaves your opponate at 4 and your board state the same minus ballista if all goes wrong, but if not interrupted is lethal.
48:10 another line would have been to cast ancestral recall on the opponent to draw 6 ;)
Oh yes. Only thing I like more than playing Cube is watching LSV cube
Back to say that 19:25 is just such an insane and gross play.
love how his patience with daze won him that game.
how sweet would it have been if you'd ancestral'd your opponent at 48:10 to draw 6 and they discard several? lol
Why would you ancestral recall when you have to discard 3 cards?
Missed lethal at 1:00:30? spend 8 mana to pump ballista after no blockers are declared for +2 dmg, then drop 3 counters to ping them down for the rest of their 3 life
2:50 LSV hinting at the bad storm decks coming
AWWWWW YEEAAHHHHH
41 CARDS?! such madness!
I think my favorite part was when you animated fumerole post combat
"Holiday cube! The purest form of Magic, as Garfield intend, unlike Manaless Dredge which....." -------> Suggested : Channel LSV - Legacy Manaless Dredge.
Never change Luis.
What card is the art in the thumbnail of this video from?
lsv drafting blue in a vintage cube? where do I sign?
how did your opponent have snapcaster too?
Super skeptical of signet over giest
Do you have "no possible play - yield all" on by default or are you always hitting F6?
2:23 yawgmoths will not a bad pick. it's good just for value, and possibly a sign that storm is open
Upsetting that you had an opponent with almost no mana, and a Sphinx + Ancestral that you didn't live the dream by targeting the opponent and drawing 6.
Why didn't you pick kiki-jiki when you already have deceiver exarch for the dank meme?
A lot of snappies in that cube huh
LSV your new mic is nice
I've never seen a seat where storm AND mono red where THAT open. still ended up with a great other deck.
48:25
You can Ancestral him to draw 6 cards with sphinx and he's gonna discard because having 9-10 cards in hand...
I fully fail to understand why the round 2 opponent didn't just off 3 of their own lands with terastodon and go on the beatdown. Upheaval is relatively uncommon, as are wildfire effects.
Match 3 game 1, ancestral the opponent to draw 6 would be so sweet, wrong, but sweeeeet.
afraid of opposing remands, while holding it yourself? In a cube?
it’s a league not a pod
Hey LSV did you get a new mic? Quality is super good. Real Crisp.
Wait, why did LSV play a golgari signet in an izzet deck?
Just colorless ramp. When he drafted it there was a slight chance he'd play green or black; but when he put it in his deck it was just "1, tap: add 2 colorless mana to your mana pool". He would've played a card with that exact text.
Yeah, i realized that izzet has no ramp and his curve was pretty high during the games, but thanks for letting me know
Channel is so OP!
isnt timetwister P9 instead of sol ring?
technically yes but its the least broken piece of power.
jasd hugo a few days ago Cheon suggested swapping timetwister out of the p9 for sol ring, I guess LSV agrees.
It's widely accepted that Timetwister is the least powerful of the p9, and that sol ring is more powerful by far. Especially in cube, sol ring -> black lotus in most cases.
well sure timetwister on its own is not op. its powered because u can shuffle your yard in aswell as far as i understand it.
edit: being able to go infinite in combo decks
Timetwister is more broken than sol ring when you can play 4 black lotus, 4 ancestral, and 4 time walk. That was when the Power 9 were named.
Sol Ring was also reprinted in Revised edition, and none of the Power 9 were reprinted past Unlimited. And it was an uncommon and all the Power 9 were rares.
Also back when the Power 9 were named, tempo in magic wasn't that well understood. There were no 4 mana planeswalkers, and answers were tons better than threats. It was a different game.
Yes, the true power nine. Black Lotus, the five Moxen, Time Walk, Ancestral Recall and Sol RIng. Should probably be made official or something.
Timetwister is fucking disgusting though. It's not as good in Cube, where you can't set it up right, but in a constructed game the typical first turns when it's allowed go "play first six cards in hand (multiple moxen and whatever else included), Timetwister, get dual effect of refreshing hand and completely invalidating every mulligan the opponent took."
Oh yeah, it's a fundamentally broken card. It's just not insane in every deck like Sol Ring is. I mean, that card is always busted.
In the right deck, even lacking the Moxen doesn't change how dumb Timetwister can be.
People really underestimate the opponent draw as an upside. It might not seem like it, but when people are willing to mull down to rather low numbers to get at least some of their combo pieces at the start, completely invalidating their mulligans can be a massive play.
Also, it helps that any deck that uses it you're going to have ways to reuse or grab anything it dumps anyway. Taken with that it's a big play.
(It's not that it's good in 100% of decks, it's that in 100% of the decks that want it, it's stupidly overpowered. Given how the game was back then, that's a massive play. Does that mean it's not as powerful as some of the other cards in the Power Nine? Yeah, but the best card in the game was in Alpha and isn't considered Power Nine anyway, so the name's not exactly perfect.)
I don't think I'm a majority here but I prefer the multiple video format.
The only thing I prefer about multiple videos is there tends to be more discussion on each game in the comments. In this video, we're basically just seeing all the "YAY LSV VINTAGE CUBE!!!!" comments that would usually be in the drafting video, and nothing on the matches/games themselves. Aside from that though, a single video is far more convenient.
it's like mtgo just gives you the sweetest decks lol
I think countering channel would have been the actual play (not just in hindsight). They had so many cards in hand that not countering was way too greedy.
LSV on vintage cube should do a no blue stipulation otherwise it's just 2 ec
"how to get passed every good blue card in vintage cube" by lsv
the endless, rapid fire savagery.
41 cards m3 G2?
It's really not a sin in vintage cube.
Palinchron+Image+Balista=win
Slow but was a thing
Pie-thing needle... disgusting.
its made of Pie
I missed that fan
Mannn I wanted you to recall targeting your opponent round 1 so you could draw 6 :(
Last opponent went EOTFOFID
lsv's wet dream of a deck, minus sol ring or moxen
Last opponent was so unlucky. Nice deck but didnt got over four lands in any game.
I bet there is not a single cube deck without blue
If you're not forcing storm you're not drafting vintage cube correctly
yeah storm sucks
i disagree wholeheartedly. its hard to pull off sometimes and you get can punished easily but mostly it tends to lean towards dull matches. If the storm player goes off he spends the game goldfishing, and this usually takes a long time, lots of thinking. If he doesnt, he land-gos the whole game his opponent wins by tapping his creatures sideways a couple times with no interaction. interactionless magic is bad enough in constructed, but at least those games can be fun post-sideboard. i like cube because you get to battle with all the sweetest cards ever but storm, either playing with or against, just doesnt feel like magic.
No need to force it here - LSV's podmates were practically trying to force all the best storm cards on him
THAT WAS SUCH AN EASY GUSH TAKE
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56:00 why bit just copy the sphinx
There's a reason this video has 120k+ views.
Just absolutely completely ubsurd drafting and deck piloting.
Hooray!
When highlighting cards with presumably your middle mouse button you accidentally scroll the picks down a lot of the time. This scrolling is highly annoying to me. Can you please try to do that less? Love the vintage cube though, hope to see more!
You must be new here. Welcome. Have fun and be safe (:
I'm not actually. I've been watching LSV draft since about the time they started doing the videos on channelfireball. This just is the first time I bothered commenting about it because the scrolling was especially egregious in this one.
Always blue red :D
I always have to stop watching part of the way through because the audio gets out of sync
Start at 14:40, pause at 14:43 😂
storm was super open ;_;
Vintage LSV is best LSV :)
41:07 good lord