SLIP TEST - Bmw E46 330xi 4WD vs Audi A4 B6 1.8T Quattro -
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Test on rollers:
Bmw E46 330xi AWD (2003)
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Audi A4 B6 1.8T Quattro (2003)
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Check the test of *Audi A4 B6 1.8T Quattro* on *three rollers* - in comparison with *Volkswagen Passat B5 VR5 4Motion* !!! ruclips.net/video/LXlfPf3XI8w/видео.html
Passat b5 to to samo co audi b6 quattro
Both are equally bad compared to the new cars you test on the channel. It's great to see such an improvement for such a small timespan.
True. But these are still highly simple awd systems most mechanics can work on and you can rely on.
New cars more and more have issues with how many sensors they have and if one goes out the whole car stops to work properly and in some cases can loose their AWD capabilties at all and go in 2WD mode.
So I agree new AWD systems work great on rollers but not so great in the real world. Those high tech AWD systems also tend to su*k on soft roads when it goes uphill and in true offroad situation because it just doesnt keeps the momentum going, if you watch closely these newer cars (except of a few like subaru) never really power all wheels at the same time which is a big flaw when youre truly stuck somewhere.
Everything has pros and cons I personally rather have AWD car that I can rely on rather than some fancy new gadget filled crossover that is pretty much only good on icey streets.
Thats Nonsense, you can take an old Audi quattro from the 80s and eary 90s with Manual Differential lock that burns all that new electronic crap..
@@BenBieb In terms of traction - sure, that's what diff locks are for. But in terms of handling those old cars cannot match new ones.
@@enicaeduard Elaborate? Why is it better and how?
@@nikolayrayanov2895 Because it is bulletproof continous mechanical awd with edl. not blaming that ultra quattro for example is bad or something.
So how did you push the BMW back to the road? Or did it stay on the rollers till next year? )))
We had to push it cause Audi was next in line for the test on three rollers ;) And then it also needed a push: ruclips.net/video/LXlfPf3XI8w/видео.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers właściciele nie pobili się? :>
@@pej0s Nie mieli okazji się spotkać 😉 Obydwaj bardzo pozytywni ludzie, pozdrawiam serdecznie jeśli tu są 🙂
Audi had to strap up an rescue the beemer :)
@@blizteredthumbs7911 Two minutes later Audi also needed some serious help... ;) ruclips.net/video/LXlfPf3XI8w/видео.html
This A4 with those rims utterly beautiful
I had the B6 Avant Quattro with the same 18" Avus alloys and same colour as this one, but mine was 1.9tdi. Loved that car, amazing in the snow and general winter driving. Didn't understeer on the road as people often accuse Audi's off.
I hadn't realised there was a 4WD BMW 3 series in 2003. Anyway it is not built for passing these tests.
What was it built for then? 4wd is for icy and snowy roads. These rollers represent what you might encounter.
Love the Audi rims
only quattro🔥
XD
In real world, the e46 system actually works pretty well. I own e46 330xd, facelift. We have some good snow here and hills too. From standing still, climbing a hill, both right or left wheels on ice the other two wheels on a clean asphalt. ESP is on, the yellow triangle flashes few times, than the car starts to pull and there you go. The case in these kind of tests is that the rollers have almost zero friction, while in real conditions it's not exactly that way. That's why some systems look not that good on rollers, but work pretty well in real world. And just one last thing. Torsen quattro on b5 maybe is better to get out of snow/mud, but wacks in cornering, because most of the time it's 50/50 front/rear. They understeer, while e46 got constant 38/62 front/rear and does much better in corners. Let's be honest, these cars are not made for offroad. So IMO quattro is not superior to e46 system (it's also very reliable too). Both systems have their pros and cons. :)
I don't understand this video result, i have same system as E46 on that vid has, on my E53, only difference in transfer box is chain instead of gear drive. So also no xDrive. Still it never does like on that E46 on this video, unless I have faulty ABS sensor. I think that car has some problem with Abs system, or just on brakes, maybe stuck.
@@thetoughcookie3665 What production year is your E53? There were versions with the same awd system as in E46, later on it was replaced by xDrive.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Yes, this is correct. However the X5 seen on the link below should have the first awd system, same as E46. They also have the same version DSC III 5.7. Still the X5 performs pretty well with two wheels off the ground. I wonder what could make this difference. ruclips.net/video/eXuPsMGfBFU/видео.html
@@todortoo I think there's different traction control software in X5. It may have the same controller but different tuning, designed more for suv.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers It's made in -01. But it transfers the power pretty heavily in slipping tires, buch more than E46. No xDrive, if happens to break ABS sensor it's 1 wheel spinning only. My father has an first gen E83, it has an xDrive, now recently it lost one ABS sensor, tested how it does and it spins one wheel at front and one on the back with no locking anything else than the transfer case pack. Without any technical failuresthere is not much difference on them. X5 without xDrive goes better on heavy snow just because of ground clearance. And still about this video results, they seem to be like different system because E53 works with heavier power on brakes.
Audi Quattro 💪💪💪
That's what happens when you have an open diff , LSD will fix that and makes your car handle better
Finally, I'm not too surprised. The reputation of this BMW E46 is not great in terms of 4wd transmission.
ADB-X is not sufficient to brake and transfer enough torque, and replace a central LSD. ADB-X is not helping by the torque distribution. Strangely, the reputation of the X5 E53 without X-Drive (before 2003) is better. To check ;-) . I would be curious to also see an Mercedes ML w163 with the ETS-4 system and /or a Land rover Discovery II with the ETC.
Toresn is way better. Think that is system in audi
Thanks. I wrote on different comment about this when this was so weird bcoz I thougt the system is identical with my E53 pre fl. Seems not. I have as to compare E83 with xDrive and E53 without xDrive is better in snowy roads. Epic
@@thetoughcookie3665 Are you sure your version doesn't have xDrive?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I think all E53 have xDrive, that sDrive starter from 2014 for X5
@@miloskujovic In 2003 there was a change in X5, planetary center differential was replaced by xDrive.
Uwielbiam te komentarze gloryfikujące Audi, jakby serio poradziło sobie zdecydowanie lepiej 😂
Po co komu potrzebne 4x4 w BMW , tę markę zdobiło RWD i nie wiem wgl jakim hujem się to porównuje. Wiadomo że jest różnica między napędami że względu na charakterystyke
@@harammasari5919 Gdyby napęd na cztery koła w Bmw nie był nikomu potrzebny, to by go w tych samochodach nie było. A jest, i to nie od wczoraj, a od 1985.
To piszą osoby z kompleksem bmw przykre ale tak jest, posiadam bmw i Audi i nie wywyższam jednego bądź drugiego każdy ma wady i zalety, a jeśli chodzi o test to żadna różnica, pozdr. Zawistnych
Audi kręciło dwoma kołami a BMW praktycznie zawsze jednym...
@@michalmichu7940 to chyba pan jest niedowidzacy jak nie widać różnicy !
The Audi has a Torsen center differential. If you apply the brakes moderately it will direct more power to the end of the car that has grip than the brakes take away. It should be able to drive off of the setups with two fronts slipping or with two rears slipping easily with the brakes applied. The scenarios with one front and one rear slipping will still rely on the ESP system, or really EDL, to get it going, but that should also work better with the brakes lightly to moderately applied.
All of the things that you mentioned should be done automatically by TC/EDL, not the driver. That's what this test is about. We tried to use brake in Audi V8 which wasn't equipped with EDL - trick didn't help.
The e46 is so much better looking. And effective !
Useless 4x4 😂
No nie stety przekonałem się na własnej skórze że quattro w mega ekstremalnych warunkach napęd zawodzi (głęboki śnieg i głęboki piach) :/ problem mogło by chyba rozwiązać agresywniejsze działanie systemu EDS który powinien bardziej wyhamować koło które ma mniejsza przyczepność a w tedy resztę roboty zrobił by już centralny Torsen.
Może po prostu zawisłeś na głębokim (śniegu, piasku). W takich warunkach nawet rasowe terenówki potrafią zawieść ;)
@@grzecho82 zgadza się. Ale w początkowej fazie była by szansa wyjechać :) ale ubrany w nowe doświadczenia 1 i do odcięcia oraz w bagażniku saperka 🤣
Audi 👍
Dots are helping, even with these old not great awd systems.
Most of the old ones are much better than the new ones 🤔
Tak się złożyło że mam teraz te 2 auta, tylko audi w tdi a bmw za dużo nie jeździłem. Audi radzi sobie dobrze, wyjedzie wszędzie ale do zabawy to tak średnio bo ciągle elektronika przyhamowuje koła choć bączki robi. BMW w ixie na zakrętach czuć jakby to było zwykłe rwd i wyjeżdża tyłem jednak czuć masę a z przebiciem się przez śnieg nie było problemu
Permanent all/4 well drive my ass ...
Audi forever 😍
XD
Audi trash
@@pring8681 not when your Quattro system has a limited slip in the rear unlike this, I’ve won against everything you can prolly list in a tug of war, v8 power
@@krispycreme8059 The only Audi with limited slip diff in the rear is R8. Audi V8 has torsen in the rear which is not exactly a lsd.
BMW TRASH
Quattro Power 💪
XD
1:51
Wait, is this real ? How can an 4wd become a 1 wheel drive ?
I know those roll bars don't mean much, but still, none of the other 3 wheels move ? At all ??
1. Asymmetrical planetary gear differential + possible brake intervention.
2. Tests on rollers vs real world situations: ruclips.net/video/926i0zqteXE/видео.html
3. Tests on rollers - WHAT DO THEY SHOW? How to interpret the results? ruclips.net/video/ntxgFjaX9HM/видео.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
I watched both videos, it was very interesting
Very interesting results, I wonder if the traction control system in the e46 is that much different from my e39. Thanks to the bad roads in my country, I've been in situations where I have a rear wheel off the ground, and my e39 (which is rwd) brakes that wheel (and blinks the dsc light on the dash) allowing the other wheel to pull me through. I expected to see the same from the e46 when I opened this video, very surprised at how incapable it was!
We expected to see similar behaviour to. It looks like it is working good for front/rear but not for left/right.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers in real world actually works pretty well. I own e46 330xd, facelift. We have some good snow here and hills too. From standing still, climbing a hill, both right or left wheels on ice the other two wheels on a clean asphalt. ESP is on, it flashes few times, than the car starts to pull and there you go. The case in these kind of tests is that the rollers have almost zero friction, while in real conditions it's not that way. That's why some systems look not that good on rollers, but work pretty well in real world. And just one last thing. Torsen quattro on b5 maybe is better to get out of snow/mud, but wacks in cornering, becouse most of the time it's 50/50 front/rear. They understeer, while e46 got constant 38/62 front/rear and does much better in corners. Let's be honest, these cars are not made for offroad. So IMO quattro is not superior to e46 system (it's also very reliable too). There pros and cons for both systems. :)
@@SWENWAR I'd like to point out that rollers do not have zero friction, especially under load. They are very similar to black ice. You may check the video called "tests on rollers real world situations": ruclips.net/video/926i0zqteXE/видео.html
When it comes understeer then yes, that's the problem of Audi, even later on with 40/60 torsen.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I just share my experiance with the car. It is my 6th winter, driving it and it's doing it's job perfectly. Sure it's not the best AWD system, but works very good. It has some advantages over my friend's 01' Subaru Legacy. The e46's biggest disadvantage is the ground clearance. But as I said before, it's not made for offroad. Greetings! :)
both cars are lame! but looking at this, they would both benefit from a LSD .
Got the same audi but sedan still in pristine condition and feels like a SUV!
What you smoking
@@jeffjeff5895 ?
I feel the opposite. But that is because some previous owner lowered mine...
I wonder how it will handle the snow now.
Audi could do better bcs it has mechanical diff and it is unstoppeble at high rpm poor bmw xdrive rwd based
Bmw also has mechanical diff, this is not xDrive.
Alfa q4 test it ,you'll be surprised
Coming next week.
der 1.8T da könnte ich mir drauf ein wedeln =D geiles teil =)
To me both cars failed
Both are absolutely terrible, you drag all that extra weight with you all the time for nothing at all! But the bmw was spectacularly pathetic ;)) it reminded me from my first winter with bmw's open diff. One wheel on ice spining like crazy while the other on dry road doing nothing at all :))
@@silviannistor if a 4x4, 4wd car dose that the brand that made that car should be sued lol.
Bmw is not meant to be 4wd they are almost all rwd cars
Both cars are NOT 4WD. This is only shit and for laughing. Sorry. Shame on you Audi and BMW
RIP BMW
Think some front wheel drive cars with torque vectoring traction control would do better in some of these tests
quattro died long time ago, once they removed manual diff lock ... now its just a name for nostalgia ..
I agree. However the EDL has same adwantages over the manuał Diff lock witch was only for the rear Diff. EDL works on front and rear axle so in whorst case scenario - when only one front wheel has grip then quattro with edl would pass and quattro with only rear Diff lock would not move ... unless you manualy hit the breaks☺
I still preffer the old real quattro 😊
These 4x4, you really want :-D
you need to Test that with an old audi which has some real quattro
If torsen isn't "real Quattro" then which one is it...? ruclips.net/video/ItTkEb_pf1A/видео.html
Here's an audi 80 quattro on rollers if that is concidered to be "real" quattro: ruclips.net/video/FM8kU90kvVo/видео.html
That A4 has basically the same core system that every Quattro from the past has used.
@@BionicSammich Yeap, main difference is in TBR.
Liengamer _ that a4 has true quattro its not a haldex system like the TT AND S3
please try old audi with diff lock back and midd diff 😁
It would be great but it is hard to find one...
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers i have b4 quattro its realy awesome car
@@Yuri_Bodlovic B4 has only rear diff locker right?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yes but i mean it would be great if you found the old first quattro.but the b4 always spin the front and back.soo no way its stuck only on back or front wheals.its have a torsen diff max 25:75 and 75:25 back to rear or opossite
Video here of a roller test of an Audi 80 quattro with Torsen center and Manual locking rear. No mid lock offcource :D ruclips.net/video/FM8kU90kvVo/видео.html
Jestem zaskoczony. Myślałem, że te napędy jednak coś potrafią.
Xdrive może się cmoknąć
@@coliberkaszlak8535 Tu akurat nie ma xDrive.
@@coliberkaszlak8535 Nie porównuj napędu e46 kiedy ten napęd jest maksymalnie prosty jak to możliwe do napędy quattro z torsenem, druga sprawa napędy typu quattro do jazdy codziennej nie do końca są lepsze od haldexa czy x-drive.
W e46 nie ma xdrive, jest to stały napęd na 4 koła a nie dolączany przód jak w nowszych modelach. Posiadałem quattro jak i e46 z 4pędem i powiem, że jedno i drugie daje radę w trudniejszym terenie, jednak bmw o wieeeeeeele lepiej i pewniej się prowadzi (quattro jest mocno podsterowne w porównaniu do bmw).
What rims does the audi have? ... exactly
Jestem na prawde gleboko przerazony i jedym i drugim.
Jesli ta Audi to wzdluzny silnik i torsen - to serio totalna porazka.
Cale zycie fanboje tlumaczyli mi ze nie ma nic lepszego niz "Audik z torsenem".
Torsen T-2.
Musisz wiedzieć, że te rolki to bezsens i totalna abstrakcja. Działanie torsenowego awd polega na tarciu i w prawdziwym życiu sprawdza się to doskonale, w prawdziwym życiu nie ma rolek, a koła nie będą miały jakiegokolwiek tarcia jedynie, gdy zawiśniesz srogo podwoziem, ale wtedy już żaden napęd nie jest potrzebny, tylko linka i inne auto, choćby muchy srały.
Te rolki nie przekładają się na NIC i genialny napęd, idealny napęd, napęd który działa najwspanialej tam gdzie auto jeździ, może na rolkach mieć ogromne problemy, niczego to nie zmienia, bo rolki to strata czasu i na odwrót, gówniane układy jezdne, auta kiepsko sobie radzące tam gdzie jeżdżą mogą rolki pokonać bez zająknięcia.
Mało kto kuma, że napęd to wahacze, zawieszenie, rodzaj zawieszenia obu osi, elektronika obu osi i dopiero dyferencjały, to tworzy napęd.
Jak prymitywny jak jasna cholera, gówniany dołączany napęd suzuki 4x4 z tylną belką skrętną! XD poradzi sobie na tych rolkach, nie oznacza to, że jest to lepszy napęd, niż 14-16 wahaczowy potwór Audi.
Jedyne co można przyznać, to to, że Audi zawsze skąpiło różnicówek na osiach. Quattro z lsd tylnej osi i nikomu już w normalnym życiu lepszego nic nie trzeba.
@@loldd4797 Tu masz materiał na temat testów na rolkach vs rzeczywiste sytuacje: ruclips.net/video/926i0zqteXE/видео.html
Nie ma napędu, który świetnie radzi sobie w rzeczywistych warunkach, a nie daje rady na dwóch rolkach. A poza tym to nie chodzi o tarcie, tylko o opór, który wynika z różnych czynników.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Temat jest tak liźnięty, że aż szkoda na to czasu i w ogóle nie na temat, ale rozumiem to, bo by temat przestudiować, to potrzebna jest góra kasy. W końcu chodzi o jazdę na czarnym, nie w terenie. W teren nie potrzebuję ostrego quattro, tylko prymitywnego patrola.
Tarcie, opór, no wiadomo o co chodziło.
@lold d Nie wiem, czy wiadomo, o co chodziło, bo akurat wewnątrz torsena chodzi o tarcie, a w przypadku opon to już inny temat. Nie odniosłem się jeszcze do Suzuki - zapewne pijesz do All Grip Select - proponuję najpierw zapoznać się, jak ten napęd jest sterowany, jak i kiedy pracuje, co robi na śliskich nawierzchniach etc., a później dopiero się wypowiadać na ten temat.
4Rings.
a rwd car with lsd differential on the rear axle would pass all tests except the first. and the awd cars would pass all tests just with a lsd differential on the rear axle.
It depends what kind of lsd. Limited slip differential doesn't mean that it can lock itself.
BMW zawsze ale to zawsze w chuja leciało i będzie lecieć
Uda się zrobić test quattro 1 generacji z ręcznie blokowanym dyfrem i centralnym mechanizmem by pokazać różnicę i porównać np do nowego modelu?
Jeśli tylko znajdzie się ochotnik z takim samochodem...
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers A gdy była stara S6 c4 to test był robiony z włączoną blokadą dyfra ?
@@mrc92 Tam już nie było blokady dyfra, to już wersja z EDL.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers A to może jakieś inne AUDI się trafi np 80 do testu.
mój kolega miał kiedyś 200 quattro właśnie z tymi dwiema blokadami
Why is the Electronic Differential doing nothing?
Shouldnt it brake the spinning wheels to allow the other wheels to get traction?
If it was doing nothing then cars would fail all tests. It is working but it is not effective enough.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
Thanks for the answer ;)
Really appreciate your videos
so i dont have to abuse my audi Quattro to see how its working
@@Nightmare24091989 Thanks :) On Wednesday there will be continuation of the Audi test - incl. test on three rollers.
Dramat
Szczerze mówiąc obydwa modele słabo wypadły. A6C5 kiedyś mieliście? Tam ta sama generacja torsen siedzi?
A6 C5 nie było. Torsen jest ten sam (T-2), pytanie, jak działa ESP/TC/EDL.
you wish XD and there are 3.0 FSI Audi A4 also ! :D Audi haters
Who are you talking to and what is your point?
Am I correct that BMW is 62 rear/38 front, and Audi 40 rear/60 front distribution?
You are correct about Bmw. Audi is 50/50.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Audi is statically 50/50, when car is rolling then split is dynamic and same as weight distribution :)
@Martin Svensson What "its not"? Explain that please.
@Martin Svensson I think you misunderstood the comment, probably because of language used. Interlocutor said that weight distribution is changing all the time, so is split cause both are dynamic. And static is 50/50 which is of course just for theory or model or just a diff, there's nothing wrong with this statement. No purpose to be rude.
Audi quattro💪💪💪
XD
Land Rover Freelander 1, please!!
No volunteer so far 😐
Get a haldex there the best system for any condition of road use yes there not much action fro the rear but you are in the safest hand ....
Haldex is in all the big hydrologic world and power plants . Who drives cars o rollers like that
Wow they really are terrible
bullshit als würde der bmw das nicht packen, merkst schon wie unterschiedlich er gas gibt!!
Apparently you don't understand what is going on. We tried different acceleration levels to make the system work. But it didn't.
I have that exact audi same year @ 265.000 & I still drive circles around most cars & suvs on the road !
it is probably something wrong with bmw's xdrive system...i can't believe that it is so bad :/ (i am not bmw fanboy)
This is not xDrive, it's previous system.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers ouh my bad then :) I was also expecting a lot better results from a4 quattro. Golf IV 4motion had much better results and it is haldex .... very strange
@@Ahelot S3 with haldex was also better. Probably because of... haldex.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers How BMW called previous system and what is the main difference?
@@elzrinja365 It was called X if I remember well. It was mechanical system with planetary gear center differential, 38/62 torque split. Now Bmw uses electronically controlled clutch-pack to power front wheels.
Audi wins as always... Nothing to see here
Does it? ruclips.net/p/PL_d2bK7PR7yxEPh44cSr0T-ptQ1lyaafX
Jak widać 4x4 bez blokad dyfra nie nadają sie nawet pod market
Nie trzeba blokad, wystarczy sprawna kontrola trakcji/EDL. W powyższych samochodach działa to słabo.
Ciekaw jestem jak poradził by sobie 4matic w Mercedesie C klasie. Super filmiki Pozdro. P.S w BMW chyba napęd popsuty po przednie koło się nie kręciło.
Dzięki, pozdro 🙂
C klasa była tutaj: ruclips.net/video/J3La0gUNp1w/видео.html
W Bmw napęd sprawny, całą przednią osią zjechał z rolek.
I hate open diff
Shouldn't the Audi's EDL system brake the fast wheels to transfer power to the others and move forward? Why it does not seem to engage?
It should and it is doing that but not effective enough.
OMG....Terrible 4WD systems both of em
Audi easy better
Audi simulate a lsd diff with the brakes, but wont work if both wheels from same axle are spinning. Xdrive e46 are open diff , no brake assist. Very interesting vid, work on paper but also on a benchmark
In newer Audi cars (and actually older to) it works. E46 is not xDrive, that's previous system and it looks like its brake assist works only front/rear, not left/right.
Elektroniczny pseudo napęd w BMW vs quattro które chujo w tym audi działa
To Bmw ma jeszcze w pełni mechaniczny układ AWD.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yhy no to czemu mu przednie koło nie ciągło jak tylne było na rolkach
@@cygmen7636 Kiedy rolki były pod tylną osią, przednia oś wyciągnęła auto. Czemu słabo kręci się przednie koło w testach po przekątnej i bocznym - prawdopodobnie z uwagi na rozkład 38/62.
Is it possible, that there is also something wrong with the Audi, just like in the video with the B7? Except the ABS/ESP unit, the mechanics of the AWD systems are equal, as far as I know.
I don't think so cause Passat from the same production year performs very similar to A4 B6: ruclips.net/video/LXlfPf3XI8w/видео.html
To ja posadzę stare W124 z ASD RWD i z każdej rolki zjedzie bez wyłączania ESP ;) Nie żebym faworyzował, ale 10 lat jeździłem tym pierwszym rok E46 330xi i rok A4B7 1,8t w napędzie i jeśli nie masz blokady miedzy kołami/dyframi to ten napęd 4x4 tak trochę słabo. Czy nie?
Tak raczej średnio zjedziesz RWD, jeśli pod tylną osią będą rolki 😉
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Poczytaj jak działa ASD w MB ;)
@@commo1967 Przeczytaj mój poprzedni komentarz 😉
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Sorka na telefonie odpisywałem :) Tak jest jak pod sama tylną oś to koniec, ale MB miał cos takiego jak 4matic, a tam tez było ASD ;)
@@commo1967 No tak, ten mógł zblokować ze sobą osie oraz tylny dyfer. Czyli problem pojawi się tylko w teście, kiedy jedno przednie koło ma przyczepność.
Are these cars in good technical condition? My clk rwd with esp has no problem to climb with one wheel on ice and other wheel on pavement. Then I performed other test: I jacked up the right rear wheel and the car was trying to spin the loaded wheel
Yes they are. Try to perform the test but with some resistance (like a curb), that will be similar to this roller test.
not sure why you wouldnt test cars side by side that have similar power trains. 1.8L turbo vs a 3l NA is a big difference.
It can make a difference in a race but not in roller test.
No talking? No explanations? Was the Audi better? Lol. Kind of a pointless video.
No talking. Viewers of this channel know very well what's going on in the video. If someone doesn't understand - I'm here to answer the questions.
На Бмв не работает полный привод , что не видно ?
It is working. But its basic torque split is 62% to the back and 38% to the front.
ОН УЖЕ ДАВНО ЗДОХ ЕЁ ПРИВОД И ЧТО ТО ЕЩЁ ПЫТАЕТЬСЯ🤣🤣🤣🤣
С завода не работает
Older Audis (for example 80 or 100) with Diff Lock would ride off easily from these rollers
There would be three diff locks needed to ride off easily from all configurations of rollers. Ur quattro had two, later on only one.
to audi jest sprawne ? strasznie lipnie wypadło kłatro ...jak slizga sie oś to powinien hamulec blokowac drugie koło... czyli wystarczy że przód stoi na śniegu a tył na asflacie i juz nie wyjedziemy ? cos mi sie tu nie zgadza
Dokładnie tak samo wypadł Passat B5, który ma w zasadzie ten sam układ awd, wnioskuję zatem, że ten układ tak działa.
I coo??? Takie niby quattro dobre...hehh
How much more capable do you think the bimmer would be with a clutch plate lsd on the back?
It depends how strong would the clutch pack be :)
E46 4x4 wow that's a first. Seeing the channel name I thought you knew difference between awd and 4x4
Go back to pre-xDrive times and check what was the naming that Bmw used for x-marked cars. And enlighten me - why basically the same system - for example in Skoda is called 4x4, in Mazda is called AWD, in Suzuki is called 4WD?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers yeah you don't know what the differece is between 4x4 and AWD, 4WD do ya?
@@EimantasGSi Just answer the question from previous comment.
Do show which skoda calls their awd/4wd system an 4x4?
@@EimantasGSi Whichever you want, all are branded 4x4. Go and check what's written at the back.
wow both really bad, funny how everyone is praising audi for their quattro, but in reality it sucks just as xdrive :D
Apart from opinions - this Bmw doesn't have xDrive, that's previous system.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers true
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The xdrive may not be brilliant here but it’s a good compromise to a RWD. The audi may be slighly better, but the driving experience on road is not that interesting. However, it makes it more reliable and a bit more practical on bad roads. There is no winner in the end. It depends on what car you want. Even the RWD e46 may be a much better solution for many because of simplicity and pure rwd feel.
This is not xDrive, this is previous system.
4x4 tests on rollers - duszaniespokojna channel
Oh, That explains 1:17
It’s says it’s center open diff with dsc (by braking) not the simplest solution.
Test trochę nie do końca miaro dajny, ze względu, że w audi da się wyłączyć całkowicie ESP, natomiast po wyłączeniu ESP w e46 xi działa X-ADB którego nie da się wyłączać przyciskiem na desce rozdzielczej. jedynie wyjęcie bezpiecznika wyłączy nam wszystkie systemy.
Rzecz w tym, że te systemy mają właśnie działać.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers sam wiesz jak to się ma w praktyce często gdy się zakopiemy czy w śniegu czy błocie, to z wyłączonym systemem jest łatwiej wyjechać
This is not a Quattro this is quattro torsen - Q haldex - q
Q or q, whatever, just a naming. Technically - here is torsen.
I did not understand why the Audi in the first 0:40 attempt was at a loss, and in the second 0:52 it left freely. Have you changed the AWD mode?

Different acceleration style. Only rapid press of acceleration pedal makes the system work.
Exactly, I know from experience that the off-roud school goes into the forest and, unfortunately, with this drive design, only an attempt to shoot with the clutch and full throttle. Unfortunately, the EDS system, which is to help open differentials at the front and rear, does not quite work.
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дефиренцыал полезен только на поворотах а в остальном он безполезен
Здесь все зависело от умения водителя !
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Zrobić test w mokrym polu A wtedy wyjdzie które wyjedzie które nie. Moim zdaniem taki test był by rzetelny
Tak, tylko wtedy trzeba wyeliminować milion zmiennych, jak chociażby opony. To nie jest takie proste...
Subaru can do it with one wheel on any corner of the car.
Some Subaru can, some can't:
ruclips.net/video/unJ_x-xyycM/видео.html
ruclips.net/video/yPZsIU2twLE/видео.html
Na podwójnej rolce audi ma stały napęd na 2 koła A BMW kręci tylko jedno.
Centralny dyfer w Audi ma 50/50, a w Bmw 38/62, stąd zapewne ta różnica.
Does the BMW transfer ANY significant torque % to the front wheels? The front wheels barely moved.
It does. When rear wheels were on rollers, front pulled the car forward.
38% of the torque is always going to the front. But it has an open center diff, so 38% of however little torque the engine needed to spin the back wheels isnt enough to spin the wheels with traction.
Can you make a test betwen the newer e90 and next Audi?
Yes, E90 was already tested, video coming soon!
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers where its at tho ?
@@cocoadroppa Video coming on 13th November.
You tested the audi more than the bmw but okay sure😀
It doesn't change much...
Audi the best
XDDDDDDDD
Co to za felgi na audi ?
Czy takie dynamiczne próby jak w okolicach 2 minuty mogą coś uszkodzić? Kiedy na jednej osi jedno koło szybko się obraca a drugie stoi w miejscu? Wydaje mi się że mogłoby to prowadzić do przegrzania napędu ale to tylko domysły.
To w pełni mechaniczne układy, nie ma co się przegrzać. Poza tym, jeśli samochód tylko bezradnie mieli na rolkach, to obciążenia są znikome.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Dziękuję za odpowiedź :)
Tak tylko rolki a sytuacja na normalnej drodze to dwa różne światy więc test trochę bez sensu
Jak trafisz np. na lód to już nie różne, tylko bardzo bliskie. Tu jest materiał na temat testów na rolkach vs rzeczywiste sytuacje: ruclips.net/video/926i0zqteXE/видео.html
Oba modele miałem okazję objechać, dość sporo. E46 przynajmniej skręca, B6 strasznie płuży przodem.
БМВ в ремонт ходовку. Это дрова
Audi ,👍👍💪💪
czemu te napedy nie działaja wgl jak tylko jedno koło jest na rolce wtf.. przeciez powinno przekazywac na koła które maja przyczepnosc
Nie ma testów z jednym kołem na rolce, zawsze są dwa (oś, jedna strona, przekątna).
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers a sory nie widziałem, ale to nie zmienia faktu że te napędy są słabe, mimo ze 4x4 to słabo to działa