Last time, I made the purchase for the RetroTINK 4K just as it went on sale. It didn't go out of stock immediately like the RTX 3090 and PS5, but I checked a couple of hours later, and they were gone. The retro scene is alive and well.
I think the RetroTINK 4ks are selling so well because they have a great use beyond just gaming. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people with long-standing VHS/DVD ripping projects are finding this device to be the motivation to start working on archiving their old libraries. This is complete speculation, but this is 95% of the reason why I want one (and I've ONLY not gotten one because I do not have the cash for it) but I've met a few others who've decided to go ahead and get one just so they could rip old VHS tapes.
Unfortunately, digitizing retro games is a different enough problem from prerecorded media that a one size fits all solution doesn't exist. I think the VHS offshoot of the Domesday Duplicator might be the best solution for VHS at the moment? I'm not sure. I remember hearing it was in development. The Domesday Duplicator is certainly the best option for Laserdisc.
7:55 - I would LOVE for Sega to officially endorse that Neptune to make it official. Been wanting something like this to come out when the Super NT and Mega NT came out.
So I'm a multi-billionaire and I game on a custom made OLED IMAX screen that has a max resolution of something like 192,000x108,000, and yeah, the Tink 4K just isn't cutting it. The pixels are literally big enough to see, which is a huge turnoff when I'm playing Super Mario Bros. 2. I hope Mike Chi has a RetroTink 200K in the works.
Hi @RetroRGB, I've improved the install & setup process of the MiSTer's Sinden Driver. We are currently testing it with other users on the Sinden's discord. Now it can be run easily from the menus. If everything goes well, I will make a pull request to integrate it in the main project tomorrow 👍🏻
Thanks Bob for awesome updates as always! You mentionted that there is "no magic trickery" to make lightguns work over hdmi. I have a mister setup with some customized values in the ini file and oled (LG C1) set up in a way that make regular lightguns work ! I can send you the video and the settings it you want to try it out. I use snac adapter to connect my lightgun
I can't wait for a RetroTink 4K with 480Hz BFI to be available, that works independent of the game FPS, that will be a complete game changer, as it will offerer near perfect motion resolution and fantastic input fidelity, being able to turn any OLED display into a near (85-90%) CRT quality display will be incredible for gaming, and eventually even RBFI will be available (rolling black frame insertion), which not only gives amazing motion clarity, it gives immaculate smooth motion fidelity, just as raster-scan is able to do, I can only imagine what 8K OLED looks like with perfect smooth motion clarity.
Thanks for news Bob! I had a question about the 3DO RGB. I do own one of those rare Japanese variants with the 240/480i switches on board. I still ordered the kit and had it installed by a modder a few months back. I am using the HD Retrovison Component Cables as my video out as it fits with my G Comp Setup. The picture looks great but the picture on the games on my two crts have been shifted to the left cutting off some of the picture. Do you know how to fix this and a modder you recommend to do so?
I was watching the Sinden livestream, and if nothing else it was very interesting towards the end when the discussion went from the livestream chat to the Sinden discord and seeing some people posting in both places (livestream chat and discord). Not something I've been able to witness live prior to now.
Yeah, it was so cool to see Andy responding like that. And he’s been just as cool since, working with me behind the scenes to tweak this all. Follow up stream coming soon!
@@RetroRGB Looking forward to it - I haven't taken the time to do it myself yet but I am trying to figure out how the MiSTer native driver stacks up against using the Sinden via a Guncon 2 adapter, which is how I've been using my Sinden on the MiSTer for a few months now. Will be nice to see the MiSTer Driver setup from start to finish in a livestream format. Hopefully your work with Mr. Lightgun helps streamline the process!
Damn, did I already miss the preorder window on StoneAgeGamer for the MemcardGC? All I see is "notify me when available". Is that their preorder system? I hope I didn't miss this... I gotta get my Phantasy Star Online character backed up!
I live in Brazil and I haven't had the chance to buy or repair video games at Gamescare yet, I don't have an opinion on them. One thing I'm have a question about is whether they will code the FPGA or use something already developed for the MisTER.
Thanks for the headsup, been wanting a 3do rgb mod kit for a long time so just nabbed one. I already recapped my fz1, installed fixels ode, and did the 240p switch mod.... Im wondering if I will need to reverse the switch mod before installing this.... I removed resistor r166 as per tajigamers guidance to alleviate issues when booting in 240p. I dont have said resistor anymore nor know its value.... Wonder if i must revert it back.... 😬 Anyone know?
The GF1 Neptune sounds amazing. I really hope that it will be released here in europe or that it will bevpossible to buy it without huge shipping and taxes.
probably do the upscaler thing. I ended up getting the old TV. that c1. Headache. IDK if the rumors are true about being the best TV. I couldn't tell you. Seems alright so far. Still using framemister. memory card pro's is something ill probably get. Xbox ram upgrade looks to hard to do. . There is a CPU upgrade as well. Hard as hell as well. Forget that. That upgrade is mostly to play emulators. IDK get a laptop or a raspberry pi.
any news on a 8k upscailer. they have 8k tv's. ill be keeping this c1 for many years. Maybe this is it. Any news on any more upscailers for 4k tv's? retrotink 4k and pixle 4k look decent.
Donkey Kong Country and other pre-rendered Rare games look so terrible with sharp graphics. They were meant to be run on CRTs with composite for sure. Same with all those PS1 games with pre-rendered backgrounds. And pretty much the entire N64. Rare examples where plugging in a simple yellow cable into a TV is better than complex scaler setups.
@@DuelingDragonAdventures have you ever seen DKC on a 4K OLED or a really good VA panel with CRT filters? It's more BVM-esque, far sharper than composite, but still blends the pre-rendered graphics. It's incredible
A simple yellow cable into a CRT, sure A simple yellow cable into a modern TV is usually a mess because of the TV doing a poor job of upscaling and converting the video while introducing a bunch of unwanted input latency. Almost every upscaler on the market will accept the simple yellow cable and give you much better results than the modern TV. Even if you don't want a RetroTINK 4K, do yourself a favor and grab a RetroTINK 2X or something lower end like that.
I hope they can get the sound effects to sound correct on the Neptune console for the 32X games ,I find that to be the one disappointing aspect on the 32X's MisTer core.The sound effects sound "weaker" when compared to real hardware.
When it comes to jaggies and such, I just want clearer visuals. The PS2 has great games with great artstyles, but the PS2 just looks worse compared to it's contemporaries. FF12 for example just looks darker and muddier compared to the remaster on PS4.
I'm just saving money currently and could pick up a RT5X but living in Germany, I have to wait for them to be in stock here though. Importing is gonna put me over 450€. I hate customs...
@7:48 In regards to the Neptune. They should have added Master System support; not just by the adapter. But then I guess it wouldn't be the real Neptune SEGA were going to release...
So Tink4K supposedly adds 2 - 2.5ms of lag just by using it, plus 8.3ms of lag from it's internal BFI setting, and THEN there's the input lag coming from your OLED TV's SDR game mode? Is that correct? Which would be around 10ms at 60fps with my TV. That's a total of 20-21ms of lag unless i'm missing something here.
This is a good and fair question that’s (respectfully) missing a bit of context. Please allow me to explain. First, from a gamers point of view, 2.5ms of lag should be thought of as “zero”. I really, REALLY love how people are finally taking lag seriously (and adding total lag like you did…don’t forget wireless controller lag too!), but so often I see people confuse frames and milliseconds. 2.5ms is imperceptible by humans. Period. So yes, add it…but it’s also a number to be happy with. Next, BFI will always add lag. So it’s important to see the trade off: The TINK adding 6ms of lag is better than the TV adding a frame of lag. So don’t think of it as lag added, think of it as “lag saved”. As for your TV’s SDR or HDR lag, that will vary per panel. But since OLED’s have far less image blur, they’re much more forgiving. So your lag estimate might be spot on, but it’s still EXCELLENT. I’d be extremely happy with that on an OLED. I hope this helped.
Last time, I made the purchase for the RetroTINK 4K just as it went on sale. It didn't go out of stock immediately like the RTX 3090 and PS5, but I checked a couple of hours later, and they were gone. The retro scene is alive and well.
Thanks Bob! We all appreciate you keeping us informed! Hope you have an awesome day bro!
The GameScare Neptune news is just awesome, I typically don't go in for the replica systems but I'm about to make an exception. Thanks Bob!
I think the RetroTINK 4ks are selling so well because they have a great use beyond just gaming. It wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people with long-standing VHS/DVD ripping projects are finding this device to be the motivation to start working on archiving their old libraries. This is complete speculation, but this is 95% of the reason why I want one (and I've ONLY not gotten one because I do not have the cash for it) but I've met a few others who've decided to go ahead and get one just so they could rip old VHS tapes.
Unfortunately, digitizing retro games is a different enough problem from prerecorded media that a one size fits all solution doesn't exist. I think the VHS offshoot of the Domesday Duplicator might be the best solution for VHS at the moment? I'm not sure. I remember hearing it was in development. The Domesday Duplicator is certainly the best option for Laserdisc.
On the topic of "Embrace the Jaggies", I've found that rendering 3D N64 games at 480p with a CRT filter on a 4K TV looks fantastic.
same beeen playing scthack pso on OG xbox pixel blend is amazing
7:55 - I would LOVE for Sega to officially endorse that Neptune to make it official.
Been wanting something like this to come out when the Super NT and Mega NT came out.
I missed out on the Mega SG, but looking at the Neptune, I'm glad I did. Gonna follow this one!
I hope this looks like the 3d renders. I love that some talented developers are finishing the work Sega started.
I'm going to have to start sending you an invoice to recoup some of the money I spend as a result of watching your videos.
lollll
So I'm a multi-billionaire and I game on a custom made OLED IMAX screen that has a max resolution of something like 192,000x108,000, and yeah, the Tink 4K just isn't cutting it. The pixels are literally big enough to see, which is a huge turnoff when I'm playing Super Mario Bros. 2. I hope Mike Chi has a RetroTink 200K in the works.
🤪
You never know, Mike might release a firmware update for 200K support lol
Hi @RetroRGB,
I've improved the install & setup process of the MiSTer's Sinden Driver. We are currently testing it with other users on the Sinden's discord. Now it can be run easily from the menus. If everything goes well, I will make a pull request to integrate it in the main project tomorrow 👍🏻
That sounds awesome! I’m in contact with Andy and am planning a livestream with him soon.
@@RetroRGB thanks for the live stream!
Thanks Bob for awesome updates as always! You mentionted that there is "no magic trickery" to make lightguns work over hdmi. I have a mister setup with some customized values in the ini file and oled (LG C1) set up in a way that make regular lightguns work ! I can send you the video and the settings it you want to try it out. I use snac adapter to connect my lightgun
Hopefully the Neptune will be affordable and an eStore would be amazing! I would be happy to my for my roms! These guys understand the market.
I can't wait for a RetroTink 4K with 480Hz BFI to be available, that works independent of the game FPS, that will be a complete game changer, as it will offerer near perfect motion resolution and fantastic input fidelity, being able to turn any OLED display into a near (85-90%) CRT quality display will be incredible for gaming, and eventually even RBFI will be available (rolling black frame insertion), which not only gives amazing motion clarity, it gives immaculate smooth motion fidelity, just as raster-scan is able to do, I can only imagine what 8K OLED looks like with perfect smooth motion clarity.
Thanks for news Bob! I had a question about the 3DO RGB. I do own one of those rare Japanese variants with the 240/480i switches on board. I still ordered the kit and had it installed by a modder a few months back. I am using the HD Retrovison Component Cables as my video out as it fits with my G Comp Setup. The picture looks great but the picture on the games on my two crts have been shifted to the left cutting off some of the picture. Do you know how to fix this and a modder you recommend to do so?
got my preorder from SAG a week ago with the MemcardPro2 PS2
If GameScare ends up making a MegaDrive 1 style neptune, it will sit perfectly on top of the Mega-CD 1.
I was watching the Sinden livestream, and if nothing else it was very interesting towards the end when the discussion went from the livestream chat to the Sinden discord and seeing some people posting in both places (livestream chat and discord). Not something I've been able to witness live prior to now.
Yeah, it was so cool to see Andy responding like that. And he’s been just as cool since, working with me behind the scenes to tweak this all. Follow up stream coming soon!
@@RetroRGB Looking forward to it - I haven't taken the time to do it myself yet but I am trying to figure out how the MiSTer native driver stacks up against using the Sinden via a Guncon 2 adapter, which is how I've been using my Sinden on the MiSTer for a few months now. Will be nice to see the MiSTer Driver setup from start to finish in a livestream format. Hopefully your work with Mr. Lightgun helps streamline the process!
Damn, did I already miss the preorder window on StoneAgeGamer for the MemcardGC? All I see is "notify me when available". Is that their preorder system?
I hope I didn't miss this... I gotta get my Phantasy Star Online character backed up!
ended up ordering from the european link in the post, 8bitmods, who evidently ship to the US! crisis averted
I live in Brazil and I haven't had the chance to buy or repair video games at Gamescare yet, I don't have an opinion on them.
One thing I'm have a question about is whether they will code the FPGA or use something already developed for the MisTER.
Neptune 🎉
Thanks for the headsup, been wanting a 3do rgb mod kit for a long time so just nabbed one.
I already recapped my fz1, installed fixels ode, and did the 240p switch mod.... Im wondering if I will need to reverse the switch mod before installing this.... I removed resistor r166 as per tajigamers guidance to alleviate issues when booting in 240p. I dont have said resistor anymore nor know its value.... Wonder if i must revert it back.... 😬 Anyone know?
The GF1 Neptune sounds amazing. I really hope that it will be released here in europe or that it will bevpossible to buy it without huge shipping and taxes.
probably do the upscaler thing. I ended up getting the old TV. that c1. Headache. IDK if the rumors are true about being the best TV. I couldn't tell you. Seems alright so far. Still using framemister.
memory card pro's is something ill probably get.
Xbox ram upgrade looks to hard to do. . There is a CPU upgrade as well. Hard as hell as well. Forget that. That upgrade is mostly to play emulators. IDK get a laptop or a raspberry pi.
any news on a 8k upscailer. they have 8k tv's.
ill be keeping this c1 for many years. Maybe this is it.
Any news on any more upscailers for 4k tv's? retrotink 4k and pixle 4k look decent.
The other tv with the old connections works fine. no video switching problem.
Donkey Kong Country and other pre-rendered Rare games look so terrible with sharp graphics. They were meant to be run on CRTs with composite for sure. Same with all those PS1 games with pre-rendered backgrounds. And pretty much the entire N64. Rare examples where plugging in a simple yellow cable into a TV is better than complex scaler setups.
@@DuelingDragonAdventures have you ever seen DKC on a 4K OLED or a really good VA panel with CRT filters? It's more BVM-esque, far sharper than composite, but still blends the pre-rendered graphics. It's incredible
A simple yellow cable into a CRT, sure
A simple yellow cable into a modern TV is usually a mess because of the TV doing a poor job of upscaling and converting the video while introducing a bunch of unwanted input latency. Almost every upscaler on the market will accept the simple yellow cable and give you much better results than the modern TV. Even if you don't want a RetroTINK 4K, do yourself a favor and grab a RetroTINK 2X or something lower end like that.
@@krisc1684 I have a retrotink 4k and despite it coming close it just doesn't look natural. The scanlines hurt my eyes
Will the retrotink mini ever come back?
I hope they can get the sound effects to sound correct on the Neptune console for the 32X games ,I find that to be the one disappointing aspect on the 32X's MisTer core.The sound effects sound "weaker" when compared to real hardware.
rock on BOB !!
5oclock retro show!
Bob this socks!
have s second gen twin famicom
Different shell
Will the fds key fit and work on that?
🤘
When it comes to jaggies and such, I just want clearer visuals. The PS2 has great games with great artstyles, but the PS2 just looks worse compared to it's contemporaries. FF12 for example just looks darker and muddier compared to the remaster on PS4.
I'm just saving money currently and could pick up a RT5X but living in Germany, I have to wait for them to be in stock here though. Importing is gonna put me over 450€. I hate customs...
I believe they’ll be in stock at Dragonbox.de soon! I’ll post as soon as they’re available.
@@RetroRGB Thank you for the support Bob! Yeah I'm even in the Discord and have notification turned on in case it happens 🤞
I think the MemCardPro GC is already sold out? :(
If I bought a retrotink in a previous stock, can I buy another in this batch
Sure, I don’t see why not.
@@RetroRGB thanks
@7:48 In regards to the Neptune. They should have added Master System support; not just by the adapter. But then I guess it wouldn't be the real Neptune SEGA were going to release...
SMS games can also load via MicroSD, so I think they’re doing it right.
Has anyone made a mod for the Famicom or Twin Famicom to make the controllers wireless?
So Tink4K supposedly adds 2 - 2.5ms of lag just by using it, plus 8.3ms of lag from it's internal BFI setting, and THEN there's the input lag coming from your OLED TV's SDR game mode? Is that correct? Which would be around 10ms at 60fps with my TV. That's a total of 20-21ms of lag unless i'm missing something here.
This is a good and fair question that’s (respectfully) missing a bit of context. Please allow me to explain.
First, from a gamers point of view, 2.5ms of lag should be thought of as “zero”. I really, REALLY love how people are finally taking lag seriously (and adding total lag like you did…don’t forget wireless controller lag too!), but so often I see people confuse frames and milliseconds. 2.5ms is imperceptible by humans. Period. So yes, add it…but it’s also a number to be happy with.
Next, BFI will always add lag. So it’s important to see the trade off: The TINK adding 6ms of lag is better than the TV adding a frame of lag. So don’t think of it as lag added, think of it as “lag saved”.
As for your TV’s SDR or HDR lag, that will vary per panel. But since OLED’s have far less image blur, they’re much more forgiving.
So your lag estimate might be spot on, but it’s still EXCELLENT. I’d be extremely happy with that on an OLED.
I hope this helped.
I got unsubbed automatically about 1 month ago, just realized something was off
That can happen??? So weird. Lmao, I promise it wasn’t me!!! :)
This video did not show up in my rss feed. Strange. ruclips.net/user/feedsvideos.xml?channel_id=UCLPIbBCKVH2uKGm5C4sOkew .