NOTE: This clip was filmed prior to Watcher partially walking back their decision to quit RUclips. please view their update here: ruclips.net/video/3iFYULNTznI/видео.html
@@henrythegreatamerican8136I get it, but once again there is no obligation for them to post their content on RUclips for free. If they choose to have exclusives on FloatPlane, that is their choice. Plus, many creators do this already with Patreon. with regards to the link transparency, eh. I don't think it's a big deal. Most people who watch WAN show already know about their paywalled content
@@0008loser I think the way his comment is worded is a bit weird. Initially I thought it was a critique, but realized that he's describing a strategy. It's a "you ought to" statement.
... a month later. Which I guess is better then nothing at all, but still lol. They could have done that with Patreon. But they are bleeding money.. and then spending a load of money on a streaming service... That shit aint cheap.
This misses the context of launching in 2018 vs 2024. People only had netflix back then and now there are a dozen services and no one wants to subscribe to anything anymore. I don't think the quality of the content even matters at this point because it's an immediate no to going to another platform
@@YunisRajabHonestly? I'd argue the proliferation actually makes it more appealing. In 2018, Dropout was competing against Netflix that did EVERYTHING for just twice the price. Now every streaming service is a small niche so Dropout is perfectly competitive. To whit, I subbed to Dropout in... 2022, I think? It finally seemed like a good deal then specifically for the reason you're saying it's less competitive.
The difference with Rooster Teeth is that they started on their own platform. They existed before RUclips did and had an audience that just continued to go to their site for content. It took a few years after YT came along before they really started posting videos to it.
I remember running a little site myself in school just to mirror the red vs blue video links in HTML onto my site so I could watch them without the RT website crashing lol.
Sometimes I forget that RT's been around that long. I've always been very curious what numbers they were getting on their own site over time compared to YT. When their views on YT were starting to drop, I just assumed the YT audience were starting to migrate over to their site bc of the updated membership plan they were pushing. But after everything they went through financially and the news of their coming shutdown, it got me really curious.
@@Atestinal yeah, the thing is they were pushing the membership because of a lack of subscribers, and it never really changed I guess. If they had of used RUclips memberships properly maybe that would have worked, but the conversion rate is just trash too surely.
RT also didn't offer any compelling content. You had people who hate-watched RWBY, who were not willing to pay money to watch it, and you had people who just waited for it to be put on youtube because they would have never watched it otherwise.
ultimately if Watcher had _launched_ as a paid platform they probably could’ve survived as Dropout has, but they didn’t. They launched as RUclips only and taking that away was never going to work successfully long term.
The jury's still out on whether Dropout is a success. They haven't divulged financial figures beyond vague claims of subscribers hitting mid-6 figures.
@@yuvalne right but so were the folks at Watcher, they started Watcher right after leaving Buzzfeed and have traded off their prior success as much as Dropout did.
@@maweitaoDropout is very much still alive, its making more and better content every year, and as far as i know all its employees love it there. Whether its a massive financial success or no i'm not sure, but its not a public company so sam reich can do whatever he wants with it and by God are they making amazing content. mid six figures isx half a million subscribers, 25 million a year in revenue is probably way less than they would make on youtube
For channels with notifications (not daily uploaders) it reminds me "Oh I'll watch that later." I basically never click on the notification, but later I go to their channel or see it on the homepage in the first slot.
I really don’t understand youtuber’s obsession with notification bell. Why? I love LTT’s contents and I watch most of them in the first 24-48 hours of their release. but why would I want to be interrupted in the middle of my job or any other time to be notified about a new video that I can watch anytime I want? I get to it when I get to it.
Because videos have a habit of getting lost in people's sub boxes, both figuratively and literally. The notification bell ensures that the other person is informed when a video actually comes out. I typically only do this in highly anticipated released or RUclipsrs who don't upload very often.
@@Kannamoris I like the notification system, but I don't have popup notifications on. I will manage what channels have notification permissions, and check the notification menu in youtube
@@Kannamoris That and simply because the faster a video gains views, the more it is rewarded by the algorithm. It's built to foster and escalate short-lived, but frequent viral phenomenons, since that generates the most engagement per minute.
Agreed. Why the hell would I click on a RUclips notification and randomly start watching a video. That sounds like the unhealthiest usage ever. And why the hell would I even turn them on. I understand that it's beneficial for the creator, but frankly, I don't care at all. You are not as important as my private messages.
Notifications should be for phone calls and maybe text messages. Nothing else is so important that it should interrupt what i am doing. Bad for mental health
4:00 notifications are broken. I use them sometimes so i know what new stuff exists but I seldom click directly on them to watch the video it's just a reminder to myself to get around to a creators new video. That shouldn't count against the creator
Having notifications on the site itself is great, but having it outside of the website, such as your phone's main screen, is the most annoying thing. I disable notifications for RUclips entirely on my phone because of it.
The cool thing about dropout is that at least for dimension 20 is that they have the first episode of each season on youtube and even a few full seasons. So they have plenty of free content but also a big chunk of teases to their subscription in addition to all the shorts
I am totally onboard with having the OPTION to support a creator monetarily (patreon, floatplane, etc.), but moving almost all of your content EXCLUSIVELY to a paywalled site is just...god that's dumb. I know they've walked back the decision now but good grief. I have enough trouble justifying paying for streaming services every month, I certainly can't justify doing it for even *several* RUclips channels.
I mean. It was proven with YT Red. Some creators moved behind that paywall and suffered because of it. And that was still technically RUclips. Let alone a different site entirely.
I watch Jetlag:The Game on RUclips but they seem to have the right idea. They are part of the group of creators involved with Nebula so episodes go up there first encouraging people to subscribe to Nebula and they will even put some special episodes scub outtakes, behind the scenes, roundups of the season etc on there but the episodes do end up on RUclips a week later so they get the best of both worlds. The nebula income gives them the freedom to try things which if it was just on YT maybe they couldn't BUT they still get the RUclips money
@@nandoman4769 Instead of judging them for leaving RUclips like the world's strangest cult, why don't you go peruse their body of work. Puppet History is subversively hilarious
4:15 alot of the time i get a notification at the worst time... either im at work or uni or in bed etc But seeing a notification and swiping off lets me know "hey theres something i can watch" and i do it when i have time
I've stopped watching RUclips channels when they lost touch with the ground swell core groups. I.e a channel about doing it properly and cheap etc but then when it becomes all corporate and no longer relevant to me.
RUclips notifications are annoying as an end user. If I watch the video, the notification should go away. When I enable notifications I go watch the video, but then I have to go to my notifications and go clear it manually. There's no timeout either, so if you forget to do that for a few months you end up with hundreds of notifications you have to spend an hour of your life clearing. My solution was to remove myself from notifications.
Good thing that they walked back their decision. As an casual audience who frequently watched various channels, but not enabling notification or watch live stream, I am not going to new "subscription" platform just to watch that channel. I would choose to forget their existence instead. Even if they made a super good first episode of something and told me to continue on their subscription platform. There are plenty of other stuffs for me to watch/re-watch.
The reason why viewers won't click the notification is because TV serves the viewer on the viewers time. My TV doesn't tell me when to watch it (not since Tivo) so I watch it when it's convenient for ME. RUclips seems to think that adults have the kind of free time where they can sub to 50 channels and just watch a video whenever there's a notification. I'll check the 10-15 channels when I have time to watch and I'm not a fan of my phone blowing up cause it's Monday/Friday and that's when most channels upload content. I'm at a place where the fewer annoying notifications I get from my phone, the better life is. I think most people over 25-30 are in that same boat.
I just don’t understand why every show style channel seems to feel the need to replicate traditional TV structure / production with all the associated expenses.
individual youtubers starting their own service is exactly the same as "yet another media subscription" and i don't know how anyone would try to start from scratch when there are fairer projects that consolidate creators, Nebula and Floatplane, and i'm sorta ambivalent about Floatplane bc it didn't scale as fast and now its the smaller "yet another streaming service" diversity is good. but fragmentation is not.
I really think LMG should scale FP more as another alternative, and should also allow creators the ability to have a free video sometimes to get more exposure to the subscription service…
I think the purpose of FP is not to gather new audiences but to have a platform for existing audiences from another site. If they want to release free video then they can release it to their main website (RUclips, facebook or etc).
I do not bother with the notification of new videos because those things will always come up when I cannot watch it or in the middle. I like to come watch RUclips when I have time. One of the models I have seen many do is post on RUclips, but have another site like Patreon or Locals for additional content. Other more simple models is they will post their video on multiple like have the video up on both RUclips and Rumble.
Why do i need notifications for LTT? You make a video basically every day. I don't need to be notified every day to remind me that you upload a video every day. I feel like notifications are only good for youtubers who don't regularly upload content. Like once a week or once a month youtubers, or youtubers who don't have a regularly occurring upload schedule.
Been watching y'all since 2016, there have been gaps admittedly. I always come back, whether that's the main channel, the linked channels, or podcast clips. As far as YT goes, I treat it like I would any other streaming service, as long as I keep watching regularly I will keep paying for YT premium. If I want to watch a movie and it isn't offered for free for premium users I have Max, Hulu and Disney+ (using their Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN+ package). It takes a lot for me to unsub from a channel, and even if I do it takes even more for me to block recommendations from that channel in my feed. Edit: typo.
4:00 i rarely click on notifications when i get them because i'm busy, but i read the titles and watch the videos later if i'm not interested i remove the notif
I use RUclips because its the old Netflix of entertainment the one stop shop. I refuse to get multipole accounts for stuff. Its the reason why I had Netflix until I had to subscribed to everything else.
Imagine everyone trying to start their own streaming content website. It's just not going to happen. People are fed up with being nickel and dimed each month. All those $5 and under subscriptions adds up to a lot of money for working people.
LTT waterbottle back at the store, LTT underwear cheesecake Linus pose, LTT screwdriver, but hold up, LTT stubby screwdriver so yo hammer don't get crowbar envy, LTT robotic pineal gland because androids don't dream of electric sheep, oh, and Floatplane
The reason notifications don't get clicked is because they don't actually appear like they should. For Creator's i have the bell on for, i literally find their videos on youtube generally about a DAY before i ever see the notification for it, hence why i would never click the notification, since i've literally already watched the video.
I think the only way to go about it is the Dropout way. slowly but surely migrate off of RUclips, with the endgame being to keep just enough presence there to convert new members while still keeping the exclusivity of the service.
@4:00 - Perhaps more people than Google wants to believe actually check their Subscriptions tab on a regular basis and thus clicking that dumb bell is pointless for them...
I think people dividing essentially what RUclips is into smaller, subscription based niche communities is going to kill those niche communities that aren't behemoths like LTT.
Relevant to current events, RoosterTeeth was a pioneer of the "off RUclips" movement. From the beginning they pushed their own website and their own subscription off of Googles platform because they didn't want to be tied to Google for everything. And it worked. It worked because they didn't leave RUclips, they used RUclips as a wide net with older content, time released content and lower budget content (let's plays and gaming stuff) to hook people in and get them off the platform. Dropout does the same thing, they use shorts as a net to get people hooked and then pull them off platform. You can actually kinda see, as RoosterTeeth started to gate more and more off to their site and do less and less with RUclips, that's when their sharp decline happened. And now they are gone. Moving off platform can be great for you, but you still need YT as a net for NEW viewers, otherwise you've started a countdown to when your audience is no longer big enough to support you
LIterally the only reason Dropout worked was the infrastructure was already built with corporate money and the corporation largely abandoned it and let Sam have it for a song. Also yes, Dropout absolutely kills it with advertising Dropout with shorts. I can't imagine many creators could find that kind of success, the stars had to align for Dropout and even then if they didn't have Dimension 20 I don't think they would have pulled it off.
I love LTT videos, I watch almost everything that they upload. And I can be completely honest and say if they left RUclips and started their own subscription for $6 a month - I would be really bummed that I was never going to watch their videos again. Because that is just the truth.
Just because this worked once a while ago, doesn’t mean it’ll work again in today’s RUclips scene. Dropout TV was an anomaly, this is not a repeatable practice.
There aren’t any RUclipsrs that I am loyal enough to that I would continue to watch their content if they left RUclips. For every RUclipsr that leaves or quits, there are 10 that will take their place. I just don’t see enough value in RUclips content to follow creators around.
well the big problem is: How many streaming/paid video services are you meant to have? There must be a saturation. Both for cost reasons and the messiness of it all. And it doesn't stop at video. We're nearing a point where you need an app and a subscription to flush your toilet. Even people who go along with BS like a subscription for turning your water cooled bed on or your door bell, it must get confusing for purely practical reasons. 10.000 accounts, logins, 2factors... even if the money is not the problem, it's just a unsustainable mess.
I know Corridor Digital launched their own website a few tears back (I'm a member) they just have more content on there. Watcher could've done something similar like upload bts and exclusive series but not cut off youtube entirely
I've never heard of an idea that is so great, but also so bad. Financially, it's a very risky move and on some level I feel like it's destined to fail. Without "the algorithm" and the ad model they're willingly shrinking their audience and also not every subscriber is going to transfer to a platform that is exclusively just Watcher content. But it's also very naive to think that the ad model and RUclips is not heading towards some sort of financial disaster, whether it's going to end up being an overpriced and overrated premium platform or RUclips is gonna craft a trusty hammer to use against adblock users. I think it might've been smarter to side with projects like Nebula first.
As much as I'd like to appreciate the "we go separate ways from ad-based platforms" approach - I'm starting to feel a sense of "lets just all do that - because, money" ideology behind it This is totally subjective, but ... I mean, it's a pattern. Heck, even paying a subsription and still being exposed to ads targeted to you is a thing (news sites, ahem ahem). Quite literally - if a decent amount buy in, word of mouth spreads and it's worth it - fine by me. But another "we charge you another 15 bucks a month because blabla corporations" - I hope these sites / corps perish.
Even Corridor Digital has a similar model, but their content is by definition cinematic quality, and their YT channel Corridor Crew is still very active and regularly posts good videos.
Corridor is doing the same model as CH/Dropout - keep releasing stuff on YT with originals/extended videos going up on the paywalled platform, sometimes releasing those on YT for free later one.
Regarding notifications, I deliberately don't turn those on. I leave all other RUclips interaction off, except for me deliberately going there to interact. I got sick of several tens of messages per hour coming my way in my email, so I learned in a hurry to leave off what I wasn't going to watch then and there. I also don't interact (generally) with RUclips from the mobile platform, leaving that for the desktop computer at home. In short, if I'm not in front of my 1080p Viewsonic screen, then I'm not seeing it. That saves me so much hassle for FOMO, ad-driven algorithmic rubbish that I might watch or might not watch. I'd rather choose what I want to watch.
really makes no sense to not just keep posting on youtube everybody dwindles when they leave most have something lined up when they leave and they really dont have anything to fall back on as far as i can tell.
I do agree with Luke's 5 website concept, and even being an avid watcher of Dropout or LTT, I don't frequent their websites in my main roll, I get reminded to go visit through my main sites, primarily youtube, and other media and that pulls my attention back towards those points. So it can work, but I would forget and likely drop if I wasn't reminded.
Easily 75% of retaining followers comes down to the personality of the host(s). I say that because for whatever reason, I have followed you since NCIX although I quit gaming years ago, commenting on this video with the most powerful computer in my house, a 2yr old Gateway core i3 1115G4, 4gb/128gb laptop.
Same problem as Float Plane - if you don't have a roku app, a huge portion of your audience that was watching directly on their TVs can no longer view your content.
Never even heard of them. But I don't like any YTer enough to pay for it. That includes LTT and Floatplane. YT is fun to me because it's free content. I would maybe consider a sub service if it affect ALL YT creators and they no longer had to satisfy an algorithm, do sponsored content, or have ads.
But like who even uses notifications, I just log in onto RUclips, see my subscriptions, and start watching content from there. I don't have notifications enabled on any of the channels I follow, and I still don't miss many videos
"You won't click this notification" You're damn right. Or more accurately I won't ring the bell to get notifications in the first place. The entire value proposition of youtube, and any other streaming service is that it's content _on demand_. I feel bad that the algorithm punishes good creators for their audience not ringing the bell, but if I wanted to be a slave to upload schedules I would just go back to the 90s and subscribe to 90s cable television. It's like the industry forgot that the reason modern streaming services exist (aside from "livestreaming" services like twitch) is because that was the logical conclusion of on-demand TV.
i’ve been watching you guys for like 10 years, but if you went exclusive to a platform like flow plane Unless it’s free, I probably wouldn’t watch. I do pay for you RUclips premium because it’s worth it. the creator on RUclips that I would pay for a streaming platform outside of RUclips would be MrBeast. But I don’t think 250 million subscribers would do that. Probably only 10 to 25%. How am I supposed to discover a channel called watchers organically if they don’t put all their most popular videos on RUclips. It’s absolute stupid move.
Having that many different subscription based content streaming websites won't work, it barely works with netflix, etc. Maybe federated subscriptions would work, where you can watch other stuff with your subscription. Or possibly not subscriptions at all, but just having a prepaid cash balance, and videos priced in single cent amounts.
This just sounds kinda like when those bros tried to copyright any "react" content. It's not the same thing, but whenever you're going to take away something and paywall it one way or another, people are gonna get upset or at least not engage with you anymore.
I flip back and forth on regularly watching a creator or show. If that creator isn't on YT, I simply wouldn't start watching them again because they aren't around anymore.
Its not much different from Corridor Crew's website they launched a couple years ago. They have their regular RUclips content, but have extra long episodes on the website that they use to show copyrighted reviews of music clips and such. But they did not completely leave RUclips, because thats their main source of discoverability and where most of their audience still is.
A business acting on its principals even if it isnt the optimal business decision? Wow. Imagine that. Watcher will be a hybrid of platforms like all of the cases people mentioned. Good on Watcher for trying something new.
Agreed - as a viewer, I definitely have different phases that I've gone through. At the height of my tech phases, I watched 3 or 4 channels regularly. Now I've moved on to other things and ltt is the only tech channel I watch and I don't watch everything like I used to.
One thing that may be a decent video idea may be why there are so many stinkin' streaming services, and how to find and get the most out of them without paying a second mortgage just for streaming. Another would be about getting the most out of the way RUclips ads, as most creators tend to just run on, only to have RUclips jarringly interrupt the video for the ads.
The disconnect specifically for Watcher was their big emphasis on TV quality content production, but their core content was 2 guys talking about true crime sitting at a desk.. their loyalest fans who followed from Buzzfeed years ago don't give a crap about production value, it's a purely personality driven channel. 100k subscriber loss along with the hosts spitting in the faces of once loyal fans, they mockingly said "everybody can afford $6" in their announcement video. It's not just about moving platforms and viewer retention, their announcement video itself disillusioned their fan base and showed how little they understood their audience.
I have on and off periods watching LTT content. Part of being an adult is having priorities. I try to watch things when i can. Life happens and glad linus understands that
You guys have changed ALOT since I’ve started watching but I’ve watched more the last few years. When I started watching I didn’t understand you were actually on a REAL KITCHEN COUNTER I THOUGHT IT WAS A SET then you moved to the building.
Removing from a family by IP is ridiculous. People use VPNs and multiple devices, including mobile ones under various public WIFIs and so on. Also they visit friends and they travel for vacations and so on. IPs are not an indicator at all whether someone does or does not belong to a family
Yes it is, but it has to be a concerted effort. Behind the scenes pick a date to make the move. Get all the top channels on board to move at the same time. That's the only way to make it work. The subscribers have to move also, and the only way to make that happen is to get enough channels on board to make it compelling enough. I have 400 of the best channels saved. I'll happily send that list over.
I hate that we’ve taken the breadth and freedom of the internet and Isolated it to a handful of sites. I miss the days when I had a giant organized bookmark of sites. Learning about a new one was like hearing about a new band, video game or tv series
4:08 I wont click the notification as I have turned them off, I hate my phone constantly alerting me of something that I don't have time to watch right now. Ill sit down later and watch the new videos when Im ready.
The whole reason I stopped watching TV and moved to the internet was to get away from the shitty censored family-friendly bullshit. The constant de-monitization of content i want to watch is frustrating. Especially as I do not have the money to pay cable prices for entertainment. I can barely afford an internet connection. There is no extra money to deal with paywalls.
I respect those folks for wanting to try to make their own stuff without having to crappify their content with click bait, dumb thumbnailswhich are necessary to fight for RUclips audiences. They will likely fail, but the cause was noble.
I don't think you need to do any of those things. If there's one rule of the internet, it's the tide lifts everything of value. As long as you wind up with a product that you want to watch at the end of the day, you succeeded. That being said, productions need money and a lot of Watcher's stuff, while on the cheap, is still involved. There's no good answer to it. It just sucks to be a struggling creative and watch an over-privileged Linus halfheartedly "cover" some good creators -- people likely about as privileged as old Linus but whose content -- at least non-ghost hunting content -- slays LTT in creativity every day of the week
I would never turn on notifications for any of the LMG channels. They all upload so regularly that RUclips often serves it on my home screen anyway. And due to the amount of content I pick the videos I'm most interested it. I don't watch all of it. I use the bell for those channels that upload less than once a month. For which every video is one I would for sure want to watch. Ages ago I had all kinds of channels grouped by theme. Tech, animation, skits, science etc. Until YT just removed that functionality all together. Still makes me sad. That's what I previously used to keep taps on those channels that upload infrequently.
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Would it be benefitial for streaming services to give away the first episode of a season for free?
Watcher is definitely in an awkward place right now after the update video. I'm genuinely surprised their patreon didn't cover enough of their expenses. Usually a service like that does.
From what I heard, they have a bloated staff since they hired a lot of friends and family especially from Buzz feed. So now it's an awkward decision about axing people they have relationships with.
The algorithm is so fucked , I have to search for channels I follow to see their new content, as it no longer shows up on my home page. Also the mobile lay out is garbage now.
I kind of understand it, they wanted to make a type of content that might not do so well on youtube, but they'd be making it for 1% of their fans and ditching the rest. They could make something and then sell it, like a film or something, but a subscription service is just out of touch. Corridor Digital have a nice format of uploading to youtube and uploading longer episodes and whole exclusive shows to their own platform, but theres also only so much time in the day to make things.
I'm all for the idea of being less dependent on RUclips. But there are already services in place for that. Nebula is basically a creator co-op. Patreon is an idea. I will NOT pay for a subscription to a website that has one channel. It would be madness.
A important side note to Dropout is that you can also just pay for a membership on there youtube channel to get all content Wich is a huge help. Dropout is also defnitly a whole story with collage humor and them beign bought out and then essentialy forced on a subscription service since a lot of companies where doing it at the time like teh nerdist and rooster teeth. But then the company going under and it all falling apart. But same reich essentialy puttign his own captial in to buy back everything. and to keep the qaulity as it was it essentialy needed to become what it is today
There's nothing wrong with having your own website and subscription to facilitate community driven content with your core fans... But having that be the only thing is going to stifle your growth. They should have just done what corridor digital does and have both RUclips and the website.
If you left yt I'd be really sad I watch as much as I can I struggle remember even with the notify turnedon but I always get to see the replay if I miss until my attention span is done but you also get a bonus of me rewatching something because I forgot if I seen it or not your content model moral is amazing:)
100% and this right here is the criticism. Every creator that's tried this -- Zombie Orpheus/Dead Gentlemen come to mind -- experience a bit of early-on success followed quickly by bankruptcy.
I'm not entirely sure that Content Creators can take full credit for "Charity Streams" and the like when it was their audience that donated. Unless the creator matches the amount to some reasonable degree... $100k is a lot of money for most people, but for a company like LTT, it's probably the salary of one of their full time employee's or simply one of their average video budgets.
As the Completionist found out, it's also the donors who decide what is done with said donations -- vis-a-vis using "all proceeds go to X" donations to pay operating costs of your charity... for a decade
When are some of these creators going to pool their energy together to create a RUclips competitor? We subscribe to one such service, Nebula, and there are some good videos there, but they don't have the breadth of content that YT offers. Not even close. But from what I've heard and read, it is a better deal for the content creators who post there. Obviously going up against YT is massive undertaking but if creators want more control of their schedule and not be chained down by the algorithm, I think that is one solution. These solutions will simply not work if it is only one or two creators. You'd need a large number of them from a bunch of different genres to do this.
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@@henrythegreatamerican8136I get it,
but once again there is no obligation for them to post their content on RUclips for free. If they choose to have exclusives on FloatPlane, that is their choice. Plus, many creators do this already with Patreon.
with regards to the link transparency, eh. I don't think it's a big deal. Most people who watch WAN show already know about their paywalled content
@henrythegreatamerican8136 this is from a livestream dude, your acting like that just killed your family lmao
@@0008loserthats my same thought 😂😂
Bro is acting like someone died
@@0008loser It's just criticism, dude. You don't have to rush to defend Linus's honor
@@0008loser I think the way his comment is worded is a bit weird. Initially I thought it was a critique, but realized that he's describing a strategy. It's a "you ought to" statement.
Dropout has Brennan Lee Mulligan. Last I checked most other channels don't have a Brennan Lee Mulligan in them, which is a problem for sustainability.
True
That and they do drip out clips and videos weeks/months/years later to still get revenue from RUclips.
Brennan Lee Mulligan is a god, no clue how a company hasn't given him a blank check to be their face and creative lead.
Indeed
And even then they’re BEGGING for customers and not putting out the videos worth it. 😒
They already changed their minds and decided they will still post all their videos on RUclips due to the backlash.
Lmao
that's fast
Yep, but the reputation is damaged
... a month later. Which I guess is better then nothing at all, but still lol. They could have done that with Patreon. But they are bleeding money.. and then spending a load of money on a streaming service... That shit aint cheap.
I don't know what the other site is, is the other site a pay site?
Or does nave no ads?
Honestly, I think Dropout is a better example of this. It's been around for years and seems profitable, validating the model.
Oh, they do mention Dropout later in the video. Fie on me.
This misses the context of launching in 2018 vs 2024. People only had netflix back then and now there are a dozen services and no one wants to subscribe to anything anymore. I don't think the quality of the content even matters at this point because it's an immediate no to going to another platform
Never heard of it.
@@gamechannel1271 It's college humor 2.0
@@YunisRajabHonestly? I'd argue the proliferation actually makes it more appealing. In 2018, Dropout was competing against Netflix that did EVERYTHING for just twice the price. Now every streaming service is a small niche so Dropout is perfectly competitive. To whit, I subbed to Dropout in... 2022, I think? It finally seemed like a good deal then specifically for the reason you're saying it's less competitive.
The difference with Rooster Teeth is that they started on their own platform. They existed before RUclips did and had an audience that just continued to go to their site for content. It took a few years after YT came along before they really started posting videos to it.
I remember running a little site myself in school just to mirror the red vs blue video links in HTML onto my site so I could watch them without the RT website crashing lol.
Sometimes I forget that RT's been around that long. I've always been very curious what numbers they were getting on their own site over time compared to YT. When their views on YT were starting to drop, I just assumed the YT audience were starting to migrate over to their site bc of the updated membership plan they were pushing. But after everything they went through financially and the news of their coming shutdown, it got me really curious.
@@Atestinal yeah, the thing is they were pushing the membership because of a lack of subscribers, and it never really changed I guess. If they had of used RUclips memberships properly maybe that would have worked, but the conversion rate is just trash too surely.
Was a first member but still watched on youtube because the website and app were just so bad.
RT also didn't offer any compelling content. You had people who hate-watched RWBY, who were not willing to pay money to watch it, and you had people who just waited for it to be put on youtube because they would have never watched it otherwise.
ultimately if Watcher had _launched_ as a paid platform they probably could’ve survived as Dropout has, but they didn’t. They launched as RUclips only and taking that away was never going to work successfully long term.
The jury's still out on whether Dropout is a success. They haven't divulged financial figures beyond vague claims of subscribers hitting mid-6 figures.
the thing is, Dropout was big on RUclips as CollegeHumor before they had Dropout. it's just that the migration off of RUclips was really gradual.
@@yuvalne right but so were the folks at Watcher, they started Watcher right after leaving Buzzfeed and have traded off their prior success as much as Dropout did.
@@maweitaoDropout is very much still alive, its making more and better content every year, and as far as i know all its employees love it there. Whether its a massive financial success or no i'm not sure, but its not a public company so sam reich can do whatever he wants with it and by God are they making amazing content.
mid six figures isx half a million subscribers, 25 million a year in revenue is probably way less than they would make on youtube
For channels with notifications (not daily uploaders) it reminds me "Oh I'll watch that later."
I basically never click on the notification, but later I go to their channel or see it on the homepage in the first slot.
I really don’t understand youtuber’s obsession with notification bell. Why? I love LTT’s contents and I watch most of them in the first 24-48 hours of their release. but why would I want to be interrupted in the middle of my job or any other time to be notified about a new video that I can watch anytime I want? I get to it when I get to it.
Because videos have a habit of getting lost in people's sub boxes, both figuratively and literally. The notification bell ensures that the other person is informed when a video actually comes out. I typically only do this in highly anticipated released or RUclipsrs who don't upload very often.
@@Kannamoris I like the notification system, but I don't have popup notifications on. I will manage what channels have notification permissions, and check the notification menu in youtube
@@Kannamoris That and simply because the faster a video gains views, the more it is rewarded by the algorithm. It's built to foster and escalate short-lived, but frequent viral phenomenons, since that generates the most engagement per minute.
@@Kannamoris Then why did they stop in August of 22' or something. Where it would be sent to email?
Agreed. Why the hell would I click on a RUclips notification and randomly start watching a video. That sounds like the unhealthiest usage ever. And why the hell would I even turn them on. I understand that it's beneficial for the creator, but frankly, I don't care at all. You are not as important as my private messages.
Notifications should be for phone calls and maybe text messages. Nothing else is so important that it should interrupt what i am doing. Bad for mental health
Before I started working remote, I agree. Now it's basically a requirement to have email+Teams/Slack enabled all the time.
I straight up just bought myself a work phone. That thing's buzzing away and if it's work hours, I'm on it. If it's not, see you tomorrow or Monday.
4:00 notifications are broken. I use them sometimes so i know what new stuff exists but I seldom click directly on them to watch the video it's just a reminder to myself to get around to a creators new video. That shouldn't count against the creator
Having notifications on the site itself is great, but having it outside of the website, such as your phone's main screen, is the most annoying thing. I disable notifications for RUclips entirely on my phone because of it.
i use notifications to hit "watch later" if it's interesting, otherwise i just clear them
The cool thing about dropout is that at least for dimension 20 is that they have the first episode of each season on youtube and even a few full seasons. So they have plenty of free content but also a big chunk of teases to their subscription in addition to all the shorts
I am totally onboard with having the OPTION to support a creator monetarily (patreon, floatplane, etc.), but moving almost all of your content EXCLUSIVELY to a paywalled site is just...god that's dumb. I know they've walked back the decision now but good grief. I have enough trouble justifying paying for streaming services every month, I certainly can't justify doing it for even *several* RUclips channels.
I mean. It was proven with YT Red. Some creators moved behind that paywall and suffered because of it. And that was still technically RUclips. Let alone a different site entirely.
I watch Jetlag:The Game on RUclips but they seem to have the right idea. They are part of the group of creators involved with Nebula so episodes go up there first encouraging people to subscribe to Nebula and they will even put some special episodes scub outtakes, behind the scenes, roundups of the season etc on there but the episodes do end up on RUclips a week later so they get the best of both worlds. The nebula income gives them the freedom to try things which if it was just on YT maybe they couldn't BUT they still get the RUclips money
And they will never be heard from again.
%100
Honestly never heard about them till this video.
@@nandoman4769 Instead of judging them for leaving RUclips like the world's strangest cult, why don't you go peruse their body of work. Puppet History is subversively hilarious
@@JBBost you got bullied in school. Lmao
@@JBBostWay to miss the whole point... 😂
I don't have an answer. RUclips is just messed up, and it doesn't seem to be in Google's best interest to fix it for watchers...
4:15 alot of the time i get a notification at the worst time... either im at work or uni or in bed etc
But seeing a notification and swiping off lets me know "hey theres something i can watch" and i do it when i have time
I've stopped watching RUclips channels when they lost touch with the ground swell core groups.
I.e a channel about doing it properly and cheap etc but then when it becomes all corporate and no longer relevant to me.
They woefully overestimated how relevant they are. I had no idea this channel existed and I use RUclips non-stop, all day long.
Either you're correct or you're terrible at logic
@@JBBost he is definitely correct.
yup
The problem is that most of their audience was going to watch ads and the rest was gonna steal it via pirating.
Same.
RUclips notifications are annoying as an end user. If I watch the video, the notification should go away. When I enable notifications I go watch the video, but then I have to go to my notifications and go clear it manually. There's no timeout either, so if you forget to do that for a few months you end up with hundreds of notifications you have to spend an hour of your life clearing. My solution was to remove myself from notifications.
"You can't play the same game forever"
HERESY! I play Quake and that's what I like!
lol i could play CSS forever
Me but Age of Empires II
@@zachmoyer1849 i was forced to leave cs source because servers are empty. the problem is that cs2 is full of cheaters so i'm frustated.
Good thing that they walked back their decision.
As an casual audience who frequently watched various channels, but not enabling notification or watch live stream, I am not going to new "subscription" platform just to watch that channel. I would choose to forget their existence instead. Even if they made a super good first episode of something and told me to continue on their subscription platform. There are plenty of other stuffs for me to watch/re-watch.
The reason why viewers won't click the notification is because TV serves the viewer on the viewers time. My TV doesn't tell me when to watch it (not since Tivo) so I watch it when it's convenient for ME. RUclips seems to think that adults have the kind of free time where they can sub to 50 channels and just watch a video whenever there's a notification. I'll check the 10-15 channels when I have time to watch and I'm not a fan of my phone blowing up cause it's Monday/Friday and that's when most channels upload content. I'm at a place where the fewer annoying notifications I get from my phone, the better life is. I think most people over 25-30 are in that same boat.
I just don’t understand why every show style channel seems to feel the need to replicate traditional TV structure / production with all the associated expenses.
individual youtubers starting their own service is exactly the same as "yet another media subscription" and i don't know how anyone would try to start from scratch when there are fairer projects that consolidate creators, Nebula and Floatplane, and i'm sorta ambivalent about Floatplane bc it didn't scale as fast and now its the smaller "yet another streaming service"
diversity is good. but fragmentation is not.
I really think LMG should scale FP more as another alternative, and should also allow creators the ability to have a free video sometimes to get more exposure to the subscription service…
I think the purpose of FP is not to gather new audiences but to have a platform for existing audiences from another site. If they want to release free video then they can release it to their main website (RUclips, facebook or etc).
I do not bother with the notification of new videos because those things will always come up when I cannot watch it or in the middle. I like to come watch RUclips when I have time. One of the models I have seen many do is post on RUclips, but have another site like Patreon or Locals for additional content. Other more simple models is they will post their video on multiple like have the video up on both RUclips and Rumble.
Why do i need notifications for LTT? You make a video basically every day. I don't need to be notified every day to remind me that you upload a video every day. I feel like notifications are only good for youtubers who don't regularly upload content. Like once a week or once a month youtubers, or youtubers who don't have a regularly occurring upload schedule.
Been watching y'all since 2016, there have been gaps admittedly. I always come back, whether that's the main channel, the linked channels, or podcast clips. As far as YT goes, I treat it like I would any other streaming service, as long as I keep watching regularly I will keep paying for YT premium. If I want to watch a movie and it isn't offered for free for premium users I have Max, Hulu and Disney+ (using their Disney+, Hulu, and ESPN+ package). It takes a lot for me to unsub from a channel, and even if I do it takes even more for me to block recommendations from that channel in my feed.
Edit: typo.
4:00
i rarely click on notifications when i get them because i'm busy, but i read the titles and watch the videos later
if i'm not interested i remove the notif
I use RUclips because its the old Netflix of entertainment the one stop shop. I refuse to get multipole accounts for stuff. Its the reason why I had Netflix until I had to subscribed to everything else.
Imagine everyone trying to start their own streaming content website. It's just not going to happen. People are fed up with being nickel and dimed each month. All those $5 and under subscriptions adds up to a lot of money for working people.
another subscription service! Great, I had just been thinking we didn't have enough subscription services already.
LTT waterbottle back at the store, LTT underwear cheesecake Linus pose, LTT screwdriver, but hold up, LTT stubby screwdriver so yo hammer don't get crowbar envy, LTT robotic pineal gland because androids don't dream of electric sheep, oh, and Floatplane
The reason notifications don't get clicked is because they don't actually appear like they should.
For Creator's i have the bell on for, i literally find their videos on youtube generally about a DAY before i ever see the notification for it, hence why i would never click the notification, since i've literally already watched the video.
I think the only way to go about it is the Dropout way. slowly but surely migrate off of RUclips, with the endgame being to keep just enough presence there to convert new members while still keeping the exclusivity of the service.
@4:00 - Perhaps more people than Google wants to believe actually check their Subscriptions tab on a regular basis and thus clicking that dumb bell is pointless for them...
I think people dividing essentially what RUclips is into smaller, subscription based niche communities is going to kill those niche communities that aren't behemoths like LTT.
Relevant to current events, RoosterTeeth was a pioneer of the "off RUclips" movement. From the beginning they pushed their own website and their own subscription off of Googles platform because they didn't want to be tied to Google for everything. And it worked. It worked because they didn't leave RUclips, they used RUclips as a wide net with older content, time released content and lower budget content (let's plays and gaming stuff) to hook people in and get them off the platform. Dropout does the same thing, they use shorts as a net to get people hooked and then pull them off platform. You can actually kinda see, as RoosterTeeth started to gate more and more off to their site and do less and less with RUclips, that's when their sharp decline happened. And now they are gone. Moving off platform can be great for you, but you still need YT as a net for NEW viewers, otherwise you've started a countdown to when your audience is no longer big enough to support you
LIterally the only reason Dropout worked was the infrastructure was already built with corporate money and the corporation largely abandoned it and let Sam have it for a song. Also yes, Dropout absolutely kills it with advertising Dropout with shorts. I can't imagine many creators could find that kind of success, the stars had to align for Dropout and even then if they didn't have Dimension 20 I don't think they would have pulled it off.
a big issue that happened with rooster teeth was they cut down a lot on their outside reach which didn't help
I love LTT videos, I watch almost everything that they upload. And I can be completely honest and say if they left RUclips and started their own subscription for $6 a month - I would be really bummed that I was never going to watch their videos again. Because that is just the truth.
Just because this worked once a while ago, doesn’t mean it’ll work again in today’s RUclips scene.
Dropout TV was an anomaly, this is not a repeatable practice.
definitely
There aren’t any RUclipsrs that I am loyal enough to that I would continue to watch their content if they left RUclips. For every RUclipsr that leaves or quits, there are 10 that will take their place.
I just don’t see enough value in RUclips content to follow creators around.
well the big problem is: How many streaming/paid video services are you meant to have? There must be a saturation.
Both for cost reasons and the messiness of it all.
And it doesn't stop at video. We're nearing a point where you need an app and a subscription to flush your toilet. Even people who go along with BS like a subscription for turning your water cooled bed on or your door bell, it must get confusing for purely practical reasons.
10.000 accounts, logins, 2factors... even if the money is not the problem, it's just a unsustainable mess.
That’s why password managers are a necessity these days.
I know Corridor Digital launched their own website a few tears back (I'm a member) they just have more content on there. Watcher could've done something similar like upload bts and exclusive series but not cut off youtube entirely
This is like when musicians go on a farewell tour 😅
I've never heard of an idea that is so great, but also so bad. Financially, it's a very risky move and on some level I feel like it's destined to fail. Without "the algorithm" and the ad model they're willingly shrinking their audience and also not every subscriber is going to transfer to a platform that is exclusively just Watcher content. But it's also very naive to think that the ad model and RUclips is not heading towards some sort of financial disaster, whether it's going to end up being an overpriced and overrated premium platform or RUclips is gonna craft a trusty hammer to use against adblock users. I think it might've been smarter to side with projects like Nebula first.
As much as I'd like to appreciate the "we go separate ways from ad-based platforms" approach - I'm starting to feel a sense of "lets just all do that - because, money" ideology behind it
This is totally subjective, but ... I mean, it's a pattern. Heck, even paying a subsription and still being exposed to ads targeted to you is a thing (news sites, ahem ahem).
Quite literally - if a decent amount buy in, word of mouth spreads and it's worth it - fine by me. But another "we charge you another 15 bucks a month because blabla corporations" - I hope these sites / corps perish.
Even Corridor Digital has a similar model, but their content is by definition cinematic quality, and their YT channel Corridor Crew is still very active and regularly posts good videos.
Corridor is doing the same model as CH/Dropout - keep releasing stuff on YT with originals/extended videos going up on the paywalled platform, sometimes releasing those on YT for free later one.
Regarding notifications, I deliberately don't turn those on. I leave all other RUclips interaction off, except for me deliberately going there to interact. I got sick of several tens of messages per hour coming my way in my email, so I learned in a hurry to leave off what I wasn't going to watch then and there. I also don't interact (generally) with RUclips from the mobile platform, leaving that for the desktop computer at home. In short, if I'm not in front of my 1080p Viewsonic screen, then I'm not seeing it.
That saves me so much hassle for FOMO, ad-driven algorithmic rubbish that I might watch or might not watch. I'd rather choose what I want to watch.
really makes no sense to not just keep posting on youtube everybody dwindles when they leave most have something lined up when they leave and they really dont have anything to fall back on as far as i can tell.
I do agree with Luke's 5 website concept, and even being an avid watcher of Dropout or LTT, I don't frequent their websites in my main roll, I get reminded to go visit through my main sites, primarily youtube, and other media and that pulls my attention back towards those points. So it can work, but I would forget and likely drop if I wasn't reminded.
Easily 75% of retaining followers comes down to the personality of the host(s). I say that because for whatever reason, I have followed you since NCIX although I quit gaming years ago, commenting on this video with the most powerful computer in my house, a 2yr old Gateway core i3 1115G4, 4gb/128gb laptop.
Same problem as Float Plane - if you don't have a roku app, a huge portion of your audience that was watching directly on their TVs can no longer view your content.
Never even heard of them. But I don't like any YTer enough to pay for it. That includes LTT and Floatplane. YT is fun to me because it's free content. I would maybe consider a sub service if it affect ALL YT creators and they no longer had to satisfy an algorithm, do sponsored content, or have ads.
But like who even uses notifications, I just log in onto RUclips, see my subscriptions, and start watching content from there. I don't have notifications enabled on any of the channels I follow, and I still don't miss many videos
"You won't click this notification"
You're damn right. Or more accurately I won't ring the bell to get notifications in the first place. The entire value proposition of youtube, and any other streaming service is that it's content _on demand_. I feel bad that the algorithm punishes good creators for their audience not ringing the bell, but if I wanted to be a slave to upload schedules I would just go back to the 90s and subscribe to 90s cable television. It's like the industry forgot that the reason modern streaming services exist (aside from "livestreaming" services like twitch) is because that was the logical conclusion of on-demand TV.
i’ve been watching you guys for like 10 years, but if you went exclusive to a platform like flow plane Unless it’s free, I probably wouldn’t watch. I do pay for you RUclips premium because it’s worth it. the creator on RUclips that I would pay for a streaming platform outside of RUclips would be MrBeast. But I don’t think 250 million subscribers would do that. Probably only 10 to 25%.
How am I supposed to discover a channel called watchers organically if they don’t put all their most popular videos on RUclips. It’s absolute stupid move.
I won't click a notification on my phone, for sure.
Having that many different subscription based content streaming websites won't work, it barely works with netflix, etc. Maybe federated subscriptions would work, where you can watch other stuff with your subscription. Or possibly not subscriptions at all, but just having a prepaid cash balance, and videos priced in single cent amounts.
This just sounds kinda like when those bros tried to copyright any "react" content. It's not the same thing, but whenever you're going to take away something and paywall it one way or another, people are gonna get upset or at least not engage with you anymore.
I never heard of them and probably won't be checking them out.
I flip back and forth on regularly watching a creator or show. If that creator isn't on YT, I simply wouldn't start watching them again because they aren't around anymore.
Its not much different from Corridor Crew's website they launched a couple years ago. They have their regular RUclips content, but have extra long episodes on the website that they use to show copyrighted reviews of music clips and such. But they did not completely leave RUclips, because thats their main source of discoverability and where most of their audience still is.
Cleetus mcfarland is doing something similar with freedom+ but still doing main content but big events, behind the scenes shows and such is pay walled
A business acting on its principals even if it isnt the optimal business decision? Wow. Imagine that. Watcher will be a hybrid of platforms like all of the cases people mentioned. Good on Watcher for trying something new.
Agreed - as a viewer, I definitely have different phases that I've gone through. At the height of my tech phases, I watched 3 or 4 channels regularly. Now I've moved on to other things and ltt is the only tech channel I watch and I don't watch everything like I used to.
One thing that may be a decent video idea may be why there are so many stinkin' streaming services, and how to find and get the most out of them without paying a second mortgage just for streaming. Another would be about getting the most out of the way RUclips ads, as most creators tend to just run on, only to have RUclips jarringly interrupt the video for the ads.
The disconnect specifically for Watcher was their big emphasis on TV quality content production, but their core content was 2 guys talking about true crime sitting at a desk.. their loyalest fans who followed from Buzzfeed years ago don't give a crap about production value, it's a purely personality driven channel. 100k subscriber loss along with the hosts spitting in the faces of once loyal fans, they mockingly said "everybody can afford $6" in their announcement video.
It's not just about moving platforms and viewer retention, their announcement video itself disillusioned their fan base and showed how little they understood their audience.
I have on and off periods watching LTT content. Part of being an adult is having priorities. I try to watch things when i can. Life happens and glad linus understands that
People don’t deserve getting paid for posting videos on social media. Nobody posting videos does anything important
I have a question. Why doesn't floatplane use Vimeo as a back end?
literally never heard of them
Linus: You cant watch the same TV show for ever.
Me: Don't tell me I can not watch that anime for the 100th time!
You guys have changed ALOT since I’ve started watching but I’ve watched more the last few years. When I started watching I didn’t understand you were actually on a REAL KITCHEN COUNTER I THOUGHT IT WAS A SET then you moved to the building.
Removing from a family by IP is ridiculous. People use VPNs and multiple devices, including mobile ones under various public WIFIs and so on. Also they visit friends and they travel for vacations and so on. IPs are not an indicator at all whether someone does or does not belong to a family
If only there were a subscription based streaming platform that could have courted them to get them on their service.
Yes it is, but it has to be a concerted effort. Behind the scenes pick a date to make the move. Get all the top channels on board to move at the same time. That's the only way to make it work. The subscribers have to move also, and the only way to make that happen is to get enough channels on board to make it compelling enough. I have 400 of the best channels saved. I'll happily send that list over.
I hate that we’ve taken the breadth and freedom of the internet and Isolated it to a handful of sites. I miss the days when I had a giant organized bookmark of sites. Learning about a new one was like hearing about a new band, video game or tv series
4:08 I wont click the notification as I have turned them off, I hate my phone constantly alerting me of something that I don't have time to watch right now. Ill sit down later and watch the new videos when Im ready.
I'm hoping since of these RUclips streaming services merge at some point. Like how Nebula has most of the edutainment channels.
The whole reason I stopped watching TV and moved to the internet was to get away from the shitty censored family-friendly bullshit. The constant de-monitization of content i want to watch is frustrating. Especially as I do not have the money to pay cable prices for entertainment. I can barely afford an internet connection. There is no extra money to deal with paywalls.
I respect those folks for wanting to try to make their own stuff without having to crappify their content with click bait, dumb thumbnailswhich are necessary to fight for RUclips audiences. They will likely fail, but the cause was noble.
I don't think you need to do any of those things. If there's one rule of the internet, it's the tide lifts everything of value. As long as you wind up with a product that you want to watch at the end of the day, you succeeded.
That being said, productions need money and a lot of Watcher's stuff, while on the cheap, is still involved.
There's no good answer to it. It just sucks to be a struggling creative and watch an over-privileged Linus halfheartedly "cover" some good creators -- people likely about as privileged as old Linus but whose content -- at least non-ghost hunting content -- slays LTT in creativity every day of the week
I would never turn on notifications for any of the LMG channels. They all upload so regularly that RUclips often serves it on my home screen anyway. And due to the amount of content I pick the videos I'm most interested it. I don't watch all of it.
I use the bell for those channels that upload less than once a month. For which every video is one I would for sure want to watch.
Ages ago I had all kinds of channels grouped by theme. Tech, animation, skits, science etc. Until YT just removed that functionality all together. Still makes me sad.
That's what I previously used to keep taps on those channels that upload infrequently.
Would it be benefitial for streaming services to give away the first episode of a season for free?
I don't get why they started their own service, couldn't they have try to go on nebula for example
Are you talking about regular viewers and irregular viewers?
Watcher is definitely in an awkward place right now after the update video. I'm genuinely surprised their patreon didn't cover enough of their expenses. Usually a service like that does.
From what I heard, they have a bloated staff since they hired a lot of friends and family especially from Buzz feed. So now it's an awkward decision about axing people they have relationships with.
They are screwed. They should of just started a new channel
If creators think everyone, or the plurality is going to start paying for each individual creator they watch, they’re sorely mistaken.
Can wait for your update clip
Most programming channels are now only using youtube as marketing platform to promote their own courses.
The algorithm is so fucked , I have to search for channels I follow to see their new content, as it no longer shows up on my home page. Also the mobile lay out is garbage now.
Luke actually nailed my thoughts with the StarCraft comment. Ouch. 😀
Rooster teeth also got hobbled by the company that owned them
I kind of understand it, they wanted to make a type of content that might not do so well on youtube, but they'd be making it for 1% of their fans and ditching the rest. They could make something and then sell it, like a film or something, but a subscription service is just out of touch. Corridor Digital have a nice format of uploading to youtube and uploading longer episodes and whole exclusive shows to their own platform, but theres also only so much time in the day to make things.
I'm all for the idea of being less dependent on RUclips. But there are already services in place for that. Nebula is basically a creator co-op. Patreon is an idea. I will NOT pay for a subscription to a website that has one channel. It would be madness.
A important side note to Dropout is that you can also just pay for a membership on there youtube channel to get all content Wich is a huge help. Dropout is also defnitly a whole story with collage humor and them beign bought out and then essentialy forced on a subscription service since a lot of companies where doing it at the time like teh nerdist and rooster teeth. But then the company going under and it all falling apart. But same reich essentialy puttign his own captial in to buy back everything. and to keep the qaulity as it was it essentialy needed to become what it is today
There's nothing wrong with having your own website and subscription to facilitate community driven content with your core fans... But having that be the only thing is going to stifle your growth. They should have just done what corridor digital does and have both RUclips and the website.
If you left yt I'd be really sad I watch as much as I can I struggle remember even with the notify turnedon but I always get to see the replay if I miss until my attention span is done but you also get a bonus of me rewatching something because I forgot if I seen it or not your content model moral is amazing:)
I don't see how switching to their own service won't just kick the bucket down the road
100% and this right here is the criticism. Every creator that's tried this -- Zombie Orpheus/Dead Gentlemen come to mind -- experience a bit of early-on success followed quickly by bankruptcy.
I'm not entirely sure that Content Creators can take full credit for "Charity Streams" and the like when it was their audience that donated. Unless the creator matches the amount to some reasonable degree... $100k is a lot of money for most people, but for a company like LTT, it's probably the salary of one of their full time employee's or simply one of their average video budgets.
As the Completionist found out, it's also the donors who decide what is done with said donations -- vis-a-vis using "all proceeds go to X" donations to pay operating costs of your charity... for a decade
When are some of these creators going to pool their energy together to create a RUclips competitor? We subscribe to one such service, Nebula, and there are some good videos there, but they don't have the breadth of content that YT offers. Not even close. But from what I've heard and read, it is a better deal for the content creators who post there. Obviously going up against YT is massive undertaking but if creators want more control of their schedule and not be chained down by the algorithm, I think that is one solution. These solutions will simply not work if it is only one or two creators. You'd need a large number of them from a bunch of different genres to do this.