The “Just Say Yes to Men” Tiktok Drama is Out of Control..
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- Опубликовано: 8 янв 2024
- As this topic is heavily nuanced, we talk about multiple reasons as to why this tiktoker didn’t jump in and help her friend. But why is social media saying she’s not a “girls girl”? Let’s find out…
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People who can't take rejection and proceed to commit VIOLENCE on the person who rejected them does not deserve to roam around the streets. They should be put in JAIL.
THIS. It is NOT okay to use violence because someone said no, it’s a phrase that is not often appreciated by these creeps! Bring something with you to protect yourself and don’t say yes unless you want to.
You hear about the young 15 year old girl who was murdered because she rejected someone who made her uncomfortable that's just sad and scary.
@@toxiczombiewolf5692 I think remember that case. The girl had a pixie cut, right? And she rejected a guy when he asked her out to their school's prom too? Ever since my mom has heard about it, she has been warning me and my sisters about those type of boys in school and that we should avoid them
Fr 😕
*Men who...
Here I fixed it.
I’m so sick of men thinking they are entitled to women. Women don’t owe them anything. If a woman wants nothing to do with a man that’s her right to say no.
THISSSS ‼️‼️‼️
YES!!
frrr it goes both ways. no matter gender, u aren’t entitled to anyone’s body or social media or literally anything
FR. we do not owe you. no one owes another person the right to survive.
NO ONE IS OBLIGATED TO DO THIS. PERIOD! I have NEVER did this. Trust, some guys did get offended and even on some of those occasions I got called out my name and, on a rare occasion, I even had some guys get so angry and aggressive, persistent that he tried to fight me! 😮 Like guys need to get over themselves and learn control! Us women, don't owe you ish! 🤨
bro- lmao...everytime i've said no to a guy i'd get 4ssaulted- it's wild out here 😭they seriously can't take no for an answer.
Even wilder on the internet when you see guys advocating for forced/arranged marriages for women and no divorce allowance. The entitlement and disgustingness grows bigger when you realize they also advocate for child marriage(specifically 16 year old girls...or any girl that has started their period = ready for child).
It's weird when you realize that a group in control loses more control over themselves when they can't have it over/force it on others. And when you try to bring up history they claim it's propaganda to demonize men for being in their rightful place(I know since a lot of guys claim that feminism only existed bc women wanted to have power over men meaning forced m4rriages didn't exist, all women were allowed banks they were all just g0ldiggers, M4rital r4pe didn't exist, ch1ld marriage didn't exist, infidelity doesn't exist for men, etc...is all things they've said to me and just online. I literally have saved videos and images of this).
very few guys that have came up to me actually took no for an answer and went away without 4ssaulting me, insulting me, tryna force me into a relationship by giving me a quiz on why I don't like them...when I mean few I mean like, 2.
PERIOD. No means no and if they can't accept that, they need to figure out their own issue before they ever find a relationship.
@Iheartmefr honestly, the main reason you never wanna do that, is bc most guys may think js bc u gave them ur instagram or whatever, you're interested in them because, "why else would you do it?" There was a case of a woman being killed because she rejected a man and a lot of people were focusing on the fact that she gave him her number to get him to leave. He will not leave you alone, bc once he has ur number, he can find ur other socials and potentially more.
Man, I wish society wouldn’t perpetuate this possessive mentality towards women.
Shes not at all bringing awareness to “protect women” shes just straight out defending toxic men
The annoying things people say about more progressive people or "the left," start to look more true when you say things like this. I don't know why everyone is dogpiling on her and misrepresenting her message just because you don't agree with it.
I do think it's better to say no, largely because of what drama kween said in terms of saying yes can escalate things, and that men should change their behaviour and be reasonable.
But let's not attack the victim (aka this girl and her friends) more than the men acting this way. You can criticize her argument but to say she's defending toxic men as if that's her intention is so unfair and not the kind of compassion that these types of communities like to present themselves as having.
“Defending toxic men” is a stretch, it’s clear that her intentions are good, she just doesn’t give good advice. She doesn’t realize that what she says is dangerous. Maybe people can help her change her mind about it but it’s not gonna help anyone to hate on her when it’s obvious this girl means well, she’s just ignorant on the topic.
@@RookieAssassinshe’s a *woman* not a girl.
She should know better. Simple as that.
By saying everyone should acquiesce to all men, she is indeed defending toxic men. She is quite literally giving them a free pass.
Please grow up and join the real world. Thanks. 🙏
@@burni988 "the annoying things people say about the left start to look true if you condemn someone for spreading a toxic message" has the same energy of "men's mysoginy starts to look justified if you dress/talk/act like that!"
people will always have shit to say wether a group of people does everything right or not. And anyway this commenter is absolutely right. Spreading the message of "just give men wathever they want and never say no if you wanna stay safe" literally can create a more normalized acceptance and entitlement of men to demand thigs from women
Yep. Doing this just condones their behavior. We need to be telling them NO. When we want to. All this coddling from society from so long is whats told them its okay to act like this. Society as a whole needs to stand up and say NO.
Reminds me of this comment I saw a couple days ago where a man said “the rape situation would all be fixed if women just said yes.” I hate the fact that these men feel like they just deserve everything and that women shouldn’t have any say in anything. And I really hate the fact that some girls don’t act like it’s a major problem because “they’re just guys, this is how they are, just go along with it so you don’t cause any problems or drama.”
"if women just said yes" - omg that makes me sick. WE DO NOT OWE MEN ANYTHING. the fact that they believe that we should and need to say yes to EVERYTHING just because THEY want it makes me... argh i'm sorry but i'm furious about us women not being safe just because so many men are entitled pieces of sh*t. and agree with your last point, i talked about something similar with one of my friends and she was like "well men just are like that, they have certain needs more than us". umm hello???
Agreed
That guy you mentioned is painfully ignorant. Ignoring the fact that he’s downright entitled, him genuinely believing SA would disappear if women said yes is crazy. There are fetishes around CNC and SA. Even if every woman in the world said yes always, men don’t always want to ask them is part of the problem. The women who support that are no better. It’s a backwards world we live in.
That guy genuinely believing SA would disappear if women just said yes is crazy. Even if that was the case, men don’t always want to ask is the problem. The women who support that are no better. It’s a backwards world we live in.
that guy said WHAT !? EEEEEWWW !
Men should learn how to take no for an answer.
Not just men-
Everyone.
Exactly. This is why I barely make any guy friends because of shit like this
@@cranburreyMost if my friends were girls growing up. So yeah.
@@Stupid.... "Not just men- everyone" so tell me the last time a man was stalked or murdered by a woman for rejecting her. Yes women are bad at taking it also, but men tend to get much more aggressive.
@@Stupid....men also can't take no for an answer... in regards to other men. Men are also afraid of men. Why do you think so many men aren't emotionally intelligent? All men do is beat each other up for having any feelings other than anger.
I hate the whole "doing your makeup while talking about a super serious story" trend. Don't do true crime or recount a traumatic event while doing your makeup. It makes it seem like they're not taking it seriously.
Right??? It's so disingenuous
And they way they be telling the story as if it's just some gossip/tea that's what pisses me off. Anything that has to do with violence, abuse, murder is not tea.
I can kinda get it if she was the one physically assaulted and it’s a coping mechanism but she sounds more like she’s gossiping rather than telling a traumatic event
@@E7XEE Yeah, that's the problem there
Yeah! I don't understand it as well. It makes me so uneasy for some reason, I can't watch it
Its sad that we live in a time where our lives and safety can easily be disrupted over a number
By grown men throwing a tantrum when something doesn't go their way😑
@@ChibiGentlementhese are the types of men that the "boy moms" are raising, so i doubt things will ever change, if anything it will get a lot lot worse
Men are so emotional it's scary
@@JubbysDragonsi mean yes and then they bully us girls for crying like what
@@user-nc9ib7qq3vFrr, like?? 😭
With friends like her, who needs enemies? She's apart of your group.
If I watched my group abandon me, I would never trust her or her group if friends (the birthday girl) again.
She didn't care for "girl safety" she just wanted the clout.
Exactly, we girls need to be willing to snap at men for perfect strangers, or they'll keep getting away
I think no matter what someone says, don't give a stranger your socials. It usually doesn't end well. its also really disgusting that the girls didn't defend her friend that was defending her. The poor girl was getting beat, and they didn't even try to pull the attacker back. I would feel betrayed. Some people are utterly disgusting.
Edit: for those of yall saying: They couldn't over power him!! T
hey were in shock!! They barely even knew the girl! None of these are valid reasons to not help your friend WHO COULD HAVE DIED or got badly injured. Those heels can over power a man easily. Women are not just damsels in distress. We can fight our own battles and you need to understand that.
I agree. There's no way my friend would be there alone getting beat up without me jumping on his back trying to help her. I know she said not to say she should have done this or that but i have an anger problem when it comes to entitled men and i know what I'd do. Idc about anything other than my friends and family and i know i wouldn't just be watching him do this to my friend
Yeah that's the horrific thing. That girl is not a nice human if you can rationalise not defending someone you socialise with or your friend (the birthday girl) is vouching for.
what girls on heels can do against crazy angry man? go clubbing with buff guys then if you wanna get protection in that kind of situations
I honestly think she’s just afraid to stand up for herself.
TF is she gonna do? She's a drunk woman in high heels with no braincells left for the night, no taller than 5'10. She couldn't do anything if she wanted to.
as a 20-something girl, finding true, genuine relationships at this time is scary. you can just get whacked anytime, no matter what you do and say just to stand on your own ground. yikes
To be fair, it has always been this way. We are all just more aware of it because of social media.
This is how guys feel about girls. But instead of getting whacked, it’s about staying loyal. Both sides need to clean our acts up
@@Zenikai_ That's great and everything but do you actually know any woman who would get aggressive when you politely reject them?
Because anyone who, in a misogynistic & violent situation, tries to shift the blame from the abus*r to the victim, is someone who's defending said abus*r 🤔
And it seems like you're doing exactly that
@@alrightlovesYou said it 👏! Anyone can be an abus3r, but to act like abus3 occurs on the same level of each sex-to each sex-is just really ignorant and intellectually dishonest.
@@Zenikai_wonderful, but we’re talking about women being victims of abuse right now.
cheating and abuse are both bad, but one is very clearly worse. lets not do whatsboutisms when it comes to people being beat.
I like (I mean hate) how she responds to this traumatic event with a flat cold tone and instead of advocating for men to not beat on women for saying “no”, she says us women need to just do what they want.
I don’t care if a person is 300 lbs and and 6’5”, if they’re swinging at my friend: I’m jumping in. We’re both getting our ass kicked, I’m not going to stand by and let the attacker think they can get away without a thumb in the eye socket.
fr!!
Unrelated but I love the disenchantment pfp
I once gave a guy a fake number cause I thought he was really creepy and I felt like if I fully said no then it wouldnt end well for me. He found out that the number was fake as I was walking away and he literally followed me and was yelling at me. Luckily I menaged to escape to the restroom.
Stay save girls
everyone should stay safe ngl. ppl are creepy and weird
You're not being nitpicky. You're making valid points.
No, she is being nitpicky
@@3mindrebelwhat?
@@3mindrebelYeah, because we choose decent men over trash.
I feel like she is being nitpicky. Op just said girls give in to men otherwise you get beaten (obviously not a good takeaway from what she went through that day) and she thought cause-effect type of storytelling was enough but when the social media asked her why she wasn’t doing anything she felt the need to give more detail. 15 seconds is enough time to snap a picture but not enough for the police to walk to the occasion location to intervene and arrest. Like I don’t even understand what drama queen is complaining about aside from op’s message.
It feels like this video criticized the girl more than than the man who attacked someone :/
I don't mind criticizing her message, but questioning each thing of the story that sounded weird or off I think was unnecessary and felt a bit "victim blamey" to me.
Usually I like this channels videos, but I just think this one went in too hard on the girl. I don't think any inconsistencies with her story telling is really that relevant since her message was very simple and didn't change depending on the level of detail that her story went in to.
As I said I think it's perfectly fair to criticize her message, but criticizing her actions during the event itself and criticizing her storytelling of it (when what she added didn't change anything in terms of her original message) was unnecessary.
people should have a right to consent or not consent :/ i don’t want random ppl on my social media lol
Girl sounds like she could have been a better friend honestly. “His butt was exposed” you could have kicked him, done anything except just stand there and watch it happen
are u dense?? do u want them to get beat up too
Agreed, even if she was in shock mode she should be able to help the strangers break up the fight. She even had heels and the other girl should've used it to defend the third friend
If she was frozen or didn’t want to get hurt herself the least she could’ve done was CALL THE GODDAMN POLICE?????
@@viktorijazemaityte4203 Police can't do shit in that situation
I hate people who are just spectating thinking they know best, but then it happens to them and all of a sudden, silence.
I'm not going to say anything abot her standing by as her friend was being beaten but I will say that she's dumb and naive if she thinks that just by giving her social then it'll be done and over with. It escalates. One day you're pressured into giving a dude your in4 and the next, you'll be pressured into sex. And if he already knew their general location, the guy can totally stalk the girl to her home and some other really bad stuff can happen. I don't care if her intention was good or if she's just trying to attract clout, the fact of the matter is still that it wasn't her story to tell and it wasn't her place to tell other women to give into men's wishes in fear of violence instead of condemning the man for his heinous action
why it wasn't her story if the man asked for HER socials?
Not only are you just repeating everything drama kween said, but you're rude af. She literally saw her friend get attacked for saying no, if that was the case I would think saying yes would work too. You're using the slippery slope fallacy and it's not good,
When I heard to give him your social I was like ppl can easily find enough information abt where you live or location you’re at frequently in order to stalk you and potentially find where you live. There are insane links that ppl can go through. They could also be good at hacking your accounts and doing some damage that way
@@3mindrebel I can kinda understand her thinking that in the moment and I do feel bad for her that she’s blaming herself in a way. The main message of this moment should be talking abt how unacceptable the man’s behavior was and how his actions aren’t anyone’s fault but his own. Men are hardly held accountable for his actions. This dude is crazy to where either way something bad could’ve happened. We hear that his response in this situation is to beat up someone. It is possible that if she did give him her social media that he would stalk her and possibly break into her house and do other bad and illegal things
@@lovelymill she wasn't the one getting beaten though? She emphasized so much on her friend getting beaten it's actually annoying. Especially when her friend got involved for trying to defend and she stood by while the friend got hit to the ground, then proceed to use said story as a casual grwm story
Never consent to something you don't want to, please. It terrifies me that some people might hold the belief that this girl does. I can understand it to an extent, but no, you don't have to give u your freedom and right to privacy and comfort just to feel like some stranger wont harm you.
People can be just as dangerous online as they can be offline.
I’m sorry but if my friend was getting beat by ANYONE like that I would do my absolute best to help physically. Idc if the attackers starts beating me, at least my friend is not taking the brunt of it by themselves. That’s wild to me that they just stood there. Like I’m trying so hard to sympathize with going into freeze/flight mode but there was MULTIPLE of you and one of him.
Same, I would rather put myself in danger in order to protect my friends rather then let them to be in danger of the situation that is occurring.
this. i’m literally 5’2 and not even 100 pounds. i KNOW i’d get my ass beat but i’m GOING HAM!!!!!!!!!
easy to say what you would do untill it happens to you. you never know who you are untill a moment like that happens speaking from experience. it can feel like moving cement blocks if youre truly in terror
@@schizotakes in another video she backtracked and said she didn’t defend her friend because they were just “acquaintances” not friends which is a ridiculous excuse, because even if she were a stranger the right thing would be to do something, anything to help her even if you’re not “friends” it’s just human decency. you don’t have to defend this girl so much, she sucks.
@@schizotakesIT happens to me and i would do it in a heartbeat lmao. i would f*cking risk my life for my friend if i saw her getting beat up by a disgusting violent ass man. She's not a bad person, just a terrible friend. nobody's shaming her but she just have poor decision making that's all.
A lot of these type of people who say “well if she said yeas this probably wouldn’t have happened”, what they don’t care to realize is that if he has his mind set on what he’s gonna do to you than it wouldn’t matter. At worse I’ve seen these type of people in murder cases and they honestly make me sick.
These types of men would just stalk you online so it's still pointless to give him your socials because he's insane, which these people don't get
A 15 year old girl in I think it was London was stabbed to death because she rejected flowers from a guy. She was still a kid and hervlife is over because this guy couldn't handle rejection. Thats just scary.
that’s horrid.
ppl are on her ass for the right reasons tbh. she's acting like it's a lil storytime while doing her make up. she's focusing on how she didn't do shit to help her friend which is what the entire story is about. maybe we wouldn't be on her ass if she, idk, actually gave a description of the man so the rest of us can try finding him with the power of the internet??
Ah yes, consent, consent, consent. People need to wrap their heads around that simple word.
i hate how this whole story is told by her as it's the women's responsibility to carefully navigate situations like this one. the language, the ways she presented the girl who stand for her as almost rude to the guy, the fact that she missed to mention at 1st how insanely aggressive the dude was, that she herself even though that's her fault because she said "no" ??!.... i just can't. it's so sad and so blindly naive. it's the man., the man was the problem here from the very beginning to the very end, yet she still thinks that "just say yes" is a SAFETY ADVICE? about someone who has no respect and since the very 1st second didn't thought of her as an actual human being who has the right to refuse. like be fr right now
i really wonder if she'd have the same reaction if those hits landed on her instead (not trying to say that i wish her that, just fyi)
4:17 I genuinely have so much respect for the people who ACTUALLY tried to help. I hope the girls alright now, and I hope the world can one day find out the definition of the word no.
9:34 fight broke out? She herself said that her friend was attacked, that wasn’t a fight, he was attacking her friend.
Girl, NO do NOT give creeps your socials. Because it wont stop with that. If you give him your socials, the he will play the "girl leading me on" card. And get pissed at you for that. And then stalking you, possibly for payback, since, now hes feeling entitled. Its all a "play" to get laid. And if he cant get laid by you, that means you disapprove of him, somehow, but with guys like that THAT ALSO will feed his ego, in the way that "all women are d-teasing (bleeps!)" and deserve to be treated in whatever violent way he deems appropriate, because of that. And now he also has the potential to find out wherev you live and hang out, or where your friends hang out, which in its turn could lead him TO YOU. So No! DO NOT give him ANY socials. Or... have a fake but believable one "for emergencies" perhaps ? (delete and make a new fakie everytime you used one on a creep)Make it a dead end, though. No pics with clues, or taken at places you normally never go to. Not your "regulars".No pics of friends (or fake pics). Thats traceable. Not your "regulars". I wouldnt even do that though. Because, if you run into him again ? might be trouble.....
this needs to be pinned bc this is genuinely helpful
Yall ever heard of privacy? Like they said you’re NOT inclined to hand out your number socials or anything
I'm not surprised. I'm not a woman but I've received death threats for simply telling people no or setting boundaries. I hate to be a pessimist but this is exactly why I think solitude is a fantastic way of life nowadays.
that's horrible ! I hope you don't recieve threats anymore and that you're okay and safe !
Same, I'm always in the house and it's depressing, but I'm safe mostly
Every sinlge time I feel lonely and decide to meet people I'm reminded why I don't go out much
@@gaia7240thissss
This is why I hardly go out yet I'm judged for it 🙄 but I have less eyes on me now by not constantly going out
Bro TikTok has drama like every second now and it’s not ok that that man did that to her friend but also don’t make a grwm 😅
FR 😭😭
LOL yeah a GRWM was a bit bad
right! when talking about something like this while doing your makeup shows that you don't really care. I've seen many grwm makeup vids and they either talk about themselves or other experiences and they don't specifically name out people. it wasn't a nice thing that this girl did because that friend might have wanted that traumatic moment to be private and now everyone knows their business. she most likely didn't even ask the friend if she could share the story.
I had a friend get punched in the face because she politely declined to give her Instagram, he followed her to her to the parking lot and punched her and then just left. Some men are so scary oh my god
Back in my dating days we had something called the "rejection hotline" (US). It was a phone number you could give to someone you didn't want to give your ACTUAL number to. They would call and recieve a message along the lines of saying that the person wasn't interested in you. Does anyone else remember that? Totally random...but this reminded me of that.
Yep! omg I remember that you just unlocked that memory.
@@blacklionmystic6948 I'm glad someone else remembers. Haha!
I’ve always liked using money as an analogy for consent:
I can give you five dollars
I don’t have to give you five dollars
If you take five dollars from me, *I* didnt give you any money, *you* stole from me
If your threaten to hurt me to get money, you stole from me
If you DO hurt me to get money, you still stole from me
It’s not my fault I “didn’t protect my money well enough,” you shouldn’t have stolen from me
Just because i gave you five dollars one time, doesn’t mean I have to again
Just because I gave you five dollars, doesn’t mean I have to give your friend five dollars
my issue with her is her lack of remorse for not doing anything and the fact she can just casually do her makeup like it doesn’t matter
I think sometimes we don’t realize just how traumatizing something is. It’s a messed up way your brain tries to deal with crap. I remember I had a friend who causally told me about their SA like it was normal. He eventually had a mental breakdown and it wasn’t until after that that he spoke about it less casually. The brain is weird.
@@viridianacortes9642 no i totally get that , i actually have a similar experience to u it’s just like she’s posting about it so she’s open to all this critique and she still shows no remorse idk
That is disgusting she doesn't owe anyone her number or social media or anything he should be arrested what a coward
ngl i'm sick and tired of being a woman at this point. i already try to be more safe and have some peace in my life by staying single and avoiding men as much as i can. but situations like these make it obvious that even if i'm not dating, i still will never be safe from those type of men. it's horrible how this happens to thousands of women daily just because a lot of men are entitled af and can't take a no. we women are not at fault, we shouldn't have to live this way. yet here we are. i wish we would have a safe space somewhere. but even our own homes aren't that for a lot of women. i'm sad and frustrated.
There's a lot of bad men out there like that but there's a lot of good ones too, even if they seem hard to find
js bcs some men are bad doesn’t mean they all are. women are js as bad as men, like what? literally like 1 in 20 men are bad, and the same with women. be fr. being a woman isn’t that hard, not every man is gonna rape u
DO NOT give out your social media to anyone you don't want to. People can glean a lot of info from your pics and stalk you for years. I gave a guy my info once, thought it was harmless, and he pestered me online (I hesitate to call it stalking, but it was terrifying) for SIX YEARS.
I think the saddest part is whether you even give it to them or not, it still doesn’t stop men from becoming violent. when does it end :(
uhm..
@@hxxnii what…
@@pxxchytea that’s a whole lie and it’s very objective. and also generalizing and sexist. ur comment is weird
@@hxxnii 🤓
@@pxxchytea nope. u need to grow tf up and stop believing in stereotypes and being sexist. not every single man is bad, not every single woman is good. 💀💀
Okay but grwms are getting wild. Like who tells that story while doing a grwm 😭
A similar thing happened to me at an convention, but luckily I got help from people. It's just so disgusting.And such a thing happens everyday dammit!!Some people really should learn the meaning of "no" (╥﹏╥)
I'm more pissed that this woman's take-away was 'Just give them your socials if you don't wanna get hurt.', where does it stop? What's that famous children's book? If you give a mouse a cookie...
Men like the one mentioned in the video are terrifying. If he’ll go that far because someone didn’t give them their SOCIAL MEDIAS, imagine how far he’ll go when he gets rejected for _other_ things
What an absolute disgusting man to beat up someone pretty much unprovoked. I could never imagine hearing the word no and my first instinct it to assault someone. As much as these vids infuriate me they slap and your awesome 🩵
It doesn't matter if you give social media or not. They find it anyway. I had a guy at a club find me on every platform.
"Not all men" well it sure is a lot of them though isn't it, quite a concerning amount
@@xXSweetieBubblesXx I'm not saying women don't do it, I'm making fun of someone who would say "but it isn't every single man alive" as if anyone actually believes it's every single man alive, it's just *enough* for people to want to be cautious
@@nyastalgiakitten”not all men” but men like this have male friends who defend them and don’t hold them accountable.
@@xXSweetieBubblesXx It's both sides, but the stats don't lie that it really is more men killing women over rejection.
So I'm a small woman. 5'5 at 110 lbs.. And I know for a fact that I can't fight or defend myself worth a crap 😂 BUT a situation like this happened before to my friend and I, and I knew I'd lose trying to help my friend when her boyfriend was punching her and beating her up BUT I literally jumped on his back and went for the eyes. It ended working for a minute until another guy who saw the whole thing and came to help. But the boyfriend did end up getting control back and turned his rage on me. THANK GOD for the guy who helped my friend and I ❤
I used to put myself in dangerous situations and never really thought of my safety and all that. But I'm telling you right now, if something like that happened again, I'D 100% DO THE SAME THING AGAIN!!
this reminds me of when my female friend continued to get stalked all because of who she decided to date. the stalker (a male) didn't like her or have a crush on her, he just hated her guts and continued to ruin all of her friendships and her relationships all because of some beef the two had almost 2-3 years ago which is immature and stupid. please be careful out there everyone, and make sure to be safe and dont be afraid to step up about things like this if/when they are happening
Rather than always teaching the victims to say ‘yes’ we as a society should drill the concept of ‘no’ into these perpetrators minds!
Some people are just crappy. The world sucks
What up with tiktokers and not understanding stuff
Most lack emotional intelligence let alone sympathy for others. Like I remember Brooke Monk got called a pickme by a literal woman for being harassed.
What constant consumption of brain rot goes to a mf
the way her story kept changing and the way she also had the audacity to use her friends' story for a stupid narrative that "you should say yes to men no matter what"
When this video popped up on my fyp, i remember just being so disgusted with her for saying that 💀
if you refuse to give a man your wallet, and you get beat up, should you be blamed?
if you refuse to let somebody into your home to rob you, and you get beat up, are you to blame?
why do we blame women for refusing mens advances instead of blaming men for committing heinous crimes?
this man has family, this man has friends. let the men in your life know that violence against women is disgusting. stop stroking mens egos.
This is getting really bad. Males are becoming so unhinged that it's becoming dangerous. Instead of this woman trying to blame the woman who was defending her, she should have stood solidarity with her fellow sister, however, there are some women who are just as much of an enemy as these males can be.
We're damned if we do and damned if we don't. We can't win at a game that was designed for us to lose
I just have a feeling he didn’t just lose his pants randomly. I just feel he undid them and was about to do something even worse because people like that they will never take no. They won’t stop. Her so called friends were just standing there. I can not imagine I can not fathom even standing by for a second as someone I call a friend gets hurt. Especially since the girl was defending her….. this makes me so mad and sad. Strangers wanted to save that girl more than her so called friends .
Her second video just seems like she wanted to look less useless. Her story doesn’t line up a lot either. Like why tell the story if you’re gonna leave out important stuff and then say you didn’t wanna give too much detail? Don’t tell it at all if it’s not yours to tell.
Don’t give out any of your information ever if you are not comfortable. It’s way too easy to stalk people nowadays
if we all say yes, then these men are going to keep taking advantage of scared women. they're never gonna learn if we don't stand up for ourselves. we're not responsible for toddler men who hurt people when they don't get what they want. they won't learn.
goes both ways
My...father... sexually assaulted Me when I was a girl and then physically assaulted after because I didn't say no because I was NEVER TAUGHT to say no when somebody says/does something bad! 😱🤔🙄😒🤨😠🥺😭💔
I'm sorry that happened to you. Praying for your good health and happiness from now on.
People need to stop babying dangerous people and start teaching boys that no really does mean no. It shouldnt be on women and girls to defend themselves, we should be teaching people from a young age that theyre not entitled to other people and their info.
Yes and what angers me even more is that it can be taught. I taught myself (I’m 15). People just don’t want to.
a creep can kill me before i give them what they want
6:55 this reminds me of when someone threw a rock at my friends at school so I, without thinking about it despite it being boys who probably could beat me up easily, screamed at them in a "teacher voice" with the wording you would use when telling off a four year old. I may have anxiety to the point I can't break any rules, but damn is my temper short.
I feel like the girl telling the story is having a “fawn reaction” to this traumatic event and is justifying her guilt/ involvement by making awful points-almost defending the attacker and rationalizing actions that are completely indefensible.
No means no. People who cannot accept this are no better than dogshit. Nobody is entitled to anyone ever. Nobody deserves to get beaten, assaulted, and attacked just for wanting to keep to themselves.
I understand if she was so shocked that she froze in place and couldn't react. I've reacted the same in similar situations, and anxiety makes it worse. But what makes me skeptical is that this wasn't the way she portrayed it the first time. It just sounds like she didn't want to get hurt, which would be understandable but you know what? The other girl didn't want to get hurt either, and she still stood up for her. It just makes her look like a coward. And the way she changed her story and how the details don't make sense makes me think she's not being completely honest.
Also, her advice is terrible. She not raising awareness, she's telling women to put themselves in harm's way even more.
This. It didn't sound like a freeze reaction at all. She literally just said well it would be a waste of time to help so I'm not going to ... It amazes me that people think it's just a freeze reaction to what happened.
They'll say all that and then when people follow their advice and something bad happen to them they'll be like "why did she give him her social media then? She must've wanted this to happen". These people just want to appear superior and act like they know better.
saying no is valid. humans just dont understand.
Victim blaming at its finest.
Right she spent over 12 minutes shitting on this woman on top of everything she’s never been in a fight let alone a man attacking her smh
This is unrelated but watching you aggressively blink with those MAJESTIC eyelashes is mesmerizing
There's no way I would have let my friend get beaten without trying to stop it.
This is assault. This woman’s friend is a victim of a violent crime and if her “friends” cared they would have called the police and attempted to help. The UK has a huge domestic violence problem and this is an example of how the “just say yes and give him what he wants” mentality encourages and enables violent men to continue their behavior. She is claiming the soliton is giving predators what they want not holding predators accountable. She is part of the problem.
My brain was screaming that this is assault as the “friend” called it a fight.
If you give them your number when they harass you, more men will harass women because they know it'll work
I'm not giving out my Instagram or anything else. This is how stalker movies start 💀
If you give your social media handles to strangers, you're on questionnable character and if you don't, you could possibly get unalived. Awesome
If they can't take the rejection and start to commit violence you definitely don't want them to have your socials. It's not an excuse to say that she didn't even know the girl and in contrast you should be really grateful if someone you don't really know sacrifices themselves for you
No one is obligated to give personal info to anybody especially if they said no. If the people in your life are going to defend toxic behavior get new friends. That girl telling women to not have any boundaries and just bend over backwards to every man they come across is utter bs. No means no.
Uhhhhhhh why would you give a potential stalker who ended up being violent all the material he needs to stalk you? Like what
I mean… I’ve been in this situation, I man was harassing my two friends who are lesbians and together. And I’m like “leave them alone they’re gay, they don’t want you ever.” Etc. He gets in my face starts yelling and pushed me and my friends are fully ignoring it and said, you should have just let him talk he wasn’t gonna do anything. Never went out with them again.
I think no matter what someone says, don't a stranger your socials tbh its crazy how she said she started punching her and shit and she didnt do anything and the girl had was getting beat up was tryin to protect her
It's incredibly sad what happened to that girl so if there's anything to take away from that story it's that policing women's actions to make _men_ comfortable is not helping anyone. Like that saying, "instead of teaching your daughters to be 'safe', teach your sons to be respectful". Because like you said, when does it stop?? Then women shouldn't go to clubs or wear what they want or even go out at all bc men might harrass them. We have the right to say "no", but sadly we live in a world where we're damned if we do and damned if we don't.
Even in the most awful of cases people will always try to find a way to blame women for men's horrible actions. (tw: mention of SA) There was a really popular case in my country recently (like 2 years ago) where a bunch of men gang SA'ed a woman at a party. Their lawyer's defense? The girl was wearing red panties so that meant she wanted it. What. W h a t. How in the world could someone be so fucked up as to even suggest that someone's underwear COLOR justifies gang SA. It's absolutely fucked up.
So yeah, say "no" if you don't want to do anything, bc horrible people will always try to find a way to make it the victim's fault
That girl needs better friends. Imagine putting your life on the line for someone who won't even do the minimum to defend you?!!
I'm so surprised that stranger danger is not mentioned. I grew up in a place where you give that kind of information you may not be seen again dead or alive. This is why you give these people false info so they don't find you.
As a woman who has been violently attacked by a man, it’s not as easy as you think to jump into action.
0:25 she has never gotten into a fight by the way. Can u believe this…. She spends over 12 minutes shitting on this woman and she does not even know how to fight winds up let alone being attacked by a man. SMH
This is scary and dangerous. Imagine you think you're safer with a woman who you presume understands living in the world of men and she defends him while you get attacked. She's vile. Some friends are NOT your friends.
as a cis man myself this is absolutely fucking sickening its unbelievable i am so fucking sorry for the people that have to go through this
in retrospect, it's kinda sad the amount of times i was agreeable and did things bc i was so scared by men and just wanted the interaction to be over. my and my friends even created an intricate web of lies so men will leave us alone. like we have burner accs, other male friends on call to pretend to be boyfriends...
Same! I remember back when I was a teen like only 14, my friends and I made up a phone number because we were so scared - but the guy, a grown man btw, tried to check it infront of us then noticed that it was fake, got really angry and aggressive and we ran away and luckily caught a bus since he was chasing us.
I wonder how much of her reaction is a guilt response- feeling horrible for putting her friend in that situation. In her mind, if she had just given the guy her socials, then this would have never happened to her friend.
That’s what I thought 💭
Yeah she did even say that. I don't understand why so many people have 0 compassion for her. If you want to criticize her argument, go ahead that's fine. But to act like she only wanted clout, or demonise her BECAUSE of the message that she thought is a positive one, is so unfair to me. And it just baffles me how people who are supposed to be compassionate and care about people and their issues, can so easily write someone off just because they don't like her opinion, (that while it could be harmful, clearly wasn't intended to be) and because she didn't physically fight for her friend in a fight or flight situation.
I’m not sure if most people are mad about that. It’s more of that fact that she tried to justify her not jumping in by saying her and the girl aren’t really friends. If she said she was scared most people wouldn’t be mad at her.
@@andpeg it's still unfair. I get the impression she was just trying to say anything to make it sound better why she didn't jump in and help because of backlash. But I don't think there should've been any expectation that she physically fought for someone in a fight in that type of situation.
We shouldn't be judging how people should've responded in a situation like that.
@@burni988 Most people aren’t judging her for not fighting. It’s her & the group not doing anything at all (they didn’t even call the police, people outside the group had to) that they were mad about. No, there shouldn’t be an expectation of fighting, but for someone to say that the reason they didn’t fight for the other girl was because they weren’t friends like that is sickening. She was only in that situation to defend you, the absolute least you could do was call the police. I hope the other girl is okay though. The situation is horrendous but I hope it helped her realize she needs better friends.
Honestly as a guy, that is fucking terrifying. I have lived through similar situation on the victim side, where several of my exes were actually forcing intercourse out of me. Its a horrible experience, and sometimes, violence is the answer. If someone is forcing anything out of you, dont let them strike first. Stand your ground. A person who will not try will be taken advantage of. I am speaking from experience. At all times cary a weapon or something you can use as one.
I call bullshit - any nightlife precinct in a major city has CCTV cameras everywhere, as do transit stops.
I'm so glad you covered this, my friend had sent this to me, discussing your exact points. How did the group of girls not go help, I get fear. They're wearing heels, use them as a weapon. No woman is obligated to give socials, phone number, anything. NO ONE IS OWED ANYTHING JUST BECAUSE YOU THINK THEY'RE HOT. Yes, saying no can get you hurt, but so can saying yes, so many crime cases happen either way. Being a femme is scary, it shouldn't be do this this and this just to not get harassed, men should know better.
I sense a bit of a lie mixed with truth. I think the incident did happen, but once she got backlash she adds more details to try and excuse herself. Fully valid that you are not required to give anyone your socials or numbers. I get if it looks like it might get dangerous to just give in, but men just have to understand we as women owe them nothing. Why do women have to accommodate a man's feelings but they can completely disregard ours?
If I got beat up for standing up for my friend and she turned it into a tiktok makeup storytime video, we wouldn't be friends anymore.
My big concern with that advice: How would this work with creeps and p3do's ? I myself have been hit one and checked out FAR more by grown men in their 20's-80's then actual teenage boys my age. The reason I say no is not only cause I'm wlw but the guys who ask me are literal CREEPS preying on an underage person. even recently this past weekend I got uncomfortably checked out by a food stall employee who was around his mid 20's. Keep in mind that I'm a teenager. If I were to say "yes" to them I would be feeding myself to literal predators.
I just say I don’t have it 💀 it works. Like yeah, I should be able to say no, but the world we live in is this way and it won’t change overnight. Ofc that doesn’t mean I don’t want or strive for change, but it means recognizing where we are currently
Wouldn’t they just not believe it if we said we don’t have any social media? Since basically everyone has it nowadays :/
Woman or men don’t owe anything to each other!!! I don’t understand how people put power to one gender over the other. WE ARE CREATED EQUALLY
We are created equally. But we’re talking about some men HURTING women or HARASSING them after being told no. This is very different and happens way too iften
Giving someone like that access to you electronically can go really bad too. Entitled angry people might engage in online harassment, stalking behavior, doxxing, hacking, or fake accounts, and that's if you try to hit block before they get entangled in your real life.
Something to do in case this happens to you:
•have a fake private insta with followers & a following, you can use it as an alt just to gain followers. Do NOT follow anyone you know that can be tied back to your real identity.
• have a fake name, location, etc, with that account & go by that name to the stranger
• allow them to follow & accept the request then never talk to them again after the interaction. If they text you, dont open the message just delete & block them.
Life is SCARY. I myself have done this & havent had any problems yet
The last thing you want to do is give a ''stranger'' you ''randomly'' happens to meet your number. No matter how nice or attractive they are, you never know the true intentions they have. Once you give someone your number or any of your social media it is over. The last thing you want is a message from a burner account with your home on it 💀
I CANNOT believe her friend stood up for her, and this goblin just sat and watched as she was mauled by some guy, "I can't help but think it's my fault" is such a disrespectful thing to say as well, as if SHE'S the victim. People like this don't deserve any sort of respect.
I remember, tho it’s not the same, a guy I went on a date with and decided not to see anymore called me 68 times in a row back to back so fast that I couldn’t block him because he was calling me that much that fast. I finally blocked him and I got a call from another number and picked it up, oops it was him. He called me over 100 times in a row so many times again to the point I couldn’t get into my phone and block him because the speed he would press redial. I just had to turn my phone off and change my number at that point.
ive never had this happen, i must be pretty ugly.
my temp solution to this is making a decoy account, post a couple generic pictures, DO NOT post something that you posted on your real account in case of reverse searching, tell the person youre not really active on there, guve them the decoy, theyll think youre a boing person with no life.
I might try this, maybe even with a different name and stuff. I’m unsure if they’d be able to trace you somehow anyways, but they’d probably have to be a bit tech savvy so maybe it’s at least a bit better than giving your regular social media
sometimes its about how you dress to rather than uglyness. cause ive noticed if i wear better fitting cloths i get bothered way more than if i wear lose fitting cloths and look like a unkempt hobo.
sad reality tho cause it isnt like i even dress that provocatively these people think that skinny jeans are a invination to annoy you
Problem is if you really want you can still find out allot. That way he'd have your picture and can reverse image search/ search for simular
Men out here are crazy you do it because you don’t know the consequences you might serve for not doing it I’ve seen it happen to way to many women i do it to be on the safe side
I'm so glad I'm getting old and ugly.
Watching this while babysitting, my 5 (going to be 6 on the 16th) year old cousin came over and she said you looked very pretty when i explained that you where wearing goth makeup