YES! It may seem tedious, but put the work in! Imagine setting up a drum kit, mics, various takes, editing... Using drum software saves so much time and energy, you might as well put that into a great midi performance 🤘
Speaking of Midi drums: instead of creating a fake room with reverb, wouldn’t it be better to use a simple delay, maybe for all the instruments in a given mix?
yep, tidious but absolutly worth it. for pre-production and writing one can use an auto-de-quantize-function, but when it comes to finishing things, one should put the effort in the particular drum-parts 🤟👍
Definitely makes a difference. It is possible to get very realistic virtual drums but that’s exactly what it requires. Personally I never duplicate any hit or if I do I go back and tweak every hit separately
Great Video.I'm on about year 4 of working with midi drums steady. I do have drum room and acoustic drums but for convenience im using midi drums 90 percent of time. It's taken a lot of time to humanize midi drums, superior drummer 3 has been my favourite program so far.
Wow, I was surprised to find that I do most of this already. Lol. Not nearly as well of course. Something I do, because I don't have a massive library of samples available to me, is I duplicate my snare track for instance, and I process the snot out of it to get something specific I need from it. I often use a pitch shift on this sample to move the tone around, I use hard EQ, COMP and SAT/DIST to really change the character of the sample as much as I can, and then I blend it in with the original sample from the Free library I use. It helps just move my snare into different territory than the Free library which sounds incredible common and simple.
Man, I record the drums by using an e-drums machine and after that I just go over the whole stuff, beat by beat, correcting mistakes (I'm no drummer), improving the feel, humanizing, adjusting awkward beats and adding ghost notes. It is super tedious and takes me forever, but it's coming out ok.
Gotta do more that just random velocities. Think like a drummer and accent the things they would accent. Anticipating and changing velocites around fills is a good one too.
The one thing I noticed is most of the robotic feel comes from the hats so I try to spend more time on this. One can go crazy about changing every drum hit but I am not going to do it.
Hint: 95% of the consumers are not going to hear any difference. There was a situation with the first Dream Theater album without Portnoy where they played the demo tracks for the label and the A&R guy told them to just release what they provided. It was raw Superior files. To my point I do all the steps in this video usually but, there comes a time when you have to realize time is money.
Yeah, well.. in your case, there's still the human factor involved, all those tasty imperfections. When programming, the idea is trying to imitate that.
1. What about compression when using midi drums? Do you use compressors and when? At the "recording"/production or the mixing stage? What type? I am asking this because we know that these samples are compressed already. 2. What if the samples are more compressed than needed. How do you save that? By making the velocity range bigger for example? Great video, thanks!
1. You still may want to compress your final tracks, either individual drums or the full drum mix, to fit it in the overall mix, get a punchier sound, or otherwise to taste. 2. You'll get better results with samples that are recorded at different velocity levels if you're looking for a realistic sound. The compression on individual hits shouldn't matter that much.
This was a great video! I did the midi drum workshop a couple of weeks ago and these were definitely some of the key takeaways. I’d love to see a video on how you can convince a client to use midi drums rather than recording their own.
I guess that's a tough task. Imagine being a drummer and being told you're not going to take part on the album because a robot can do your parts haha. Personally, I'd sacrifice for the album, but I guess there are some people who prefer to play the parts themselves with poor production vs getting replaced by a perfect-sounding midi drum plugin.
This is of course really good advice. But the use of midi has become WAY to normalized. I mean you could just rent studio time and track a real drummer. Over/lazy production is one of the few reasons many people, including myself, don't like much of the newer metal being put out. And a huge part of the over production is the overuse and abuse of drum midi and guitar amp sim's. Please don't read what I'm not writing though. Im not saying you are lazy or a poor producer (you obviously make solid tracks and mixes) and I am not anti drum midi or amp sim, as I use samples for support frequently. Im just saying midi has become to heavily relied on and if its possible to use an actual human being for the whole kit. Its almost always better (quality of playing from said human is a different subject). The overuse of a specific sample isn't the problem (ask Andy Wallace). It's the overuse of midi period. With that said, I genuinely do enjoy and very much appreciate what Jordan and you do and provide.
quite simple: fake drums should sound fake unless the drummer plays a drummachine in bands video ;) high quality does mean high quality performance which is missing on most modern records.
Grab your free Mixing Cheatsheet to learn the go-to starting points for EQ and compression in heavy mixes: www.hardcoremusicstudio.com/mixcheatsheet
Thank you for this video. You just saved me probably weeks worth of time long term.
YES! It may seem tedious, but put the work in! Imagine setting up a drum kit, mics, various takes, editing... Using drum software saves so much time and energy, you might as well put that into a great midi performance 🤘
Speaking of Midi drums: instead of creating a fake room with reverb, wouldn’t it be better to use a simple delay, maybe for all the instruments in a given mix?
I’m mental I will go one by one per hit and change the velocity and imagine which hits should be more emphasized by a drummer
Depending on the genre that’s totally worth it
yep, tidious but absolutly worth it. for pre-production and writing one can use an auto-de-quantize-function, but when it comes to finishing things, one should put the effort in the particular drum-parts 🤟👍
Absolutely worth it in the end!
Me too! :)
Definitely makes a difference. It is possible to get very realistic virtual drums but that’s exactly what it requires. Personally I never duplicate any hit or if I do I go back and tweak every hit separately
Quick tip, Ive always found it easier to program drums inside of GuitarPro and then export into DAW or drum sampler of choice.
Great Video.I'm on about year 4 of working with midi drums steady. I do have drum room and acoustic drums but for convenience im using midi drums 90 percent of time. It's taken a lot of time to humanize midi drums, superior drummer 3 has been my favourite program so far.
Wow, I was surprised to find that I do most of this already. Lol. Not nearly as well of course. Something I do, because I don't have a massive library of samples available to me, is I duplicate my snare track for instance, and I process the snot out of it to get something specific I need from it. I often use a pitch shift on this sample to move the tone around, I use hard EQ, COMP and SAT/DIST to really change the character of the sample as much as I can, and then I blend it in with the original sample from the Free library I use. It helps just move my snare into different territory than the Free library which sounds incredible common and simple.
Man, I record the drums by using an e-drums machine and after that I just go over the whole stuff, beat by beat, correcting mistakes (I'm no drummer), improving the feel, humanizing, adjusting awkward beats and adding ghost notes. It is super tedious and takes me forever, but it's coming out ok.
Grab your free Mixing Cheatsheet to learn the go-to starting points for EQ and compression in heavy mixes: www.mixcheatsheet.com
Gotta do more that just random velocities. Think like a drummer and accent the things they would accent. Anticipating and changing velocites around fills is a good one too.
Superior Drummer 3 has randomize sliders built in for both velocity as well as timing
THIS IS ONE OF THE BEST VIDEOS I'VE EVER SEEN
The one thing I noticed is most of the robotic feel comes from the hats so I try to spend more time on this. One can go crazy about changing every drum hit but I am not going to do it.
Hint: 95% of the consumers are not going to hear any difference. There was a situation with the first Dream Theater album without Portnoy where they played the demo tracks for the label and the A&R guy told them to just release what they provided. It was raw Superior files. To my point I do all the steps in this video usually but, there comes a time when you have to realize time is money.
Awesome video! For your "Live snare" track are you just using the close snare mics from Superior? Or is that also including ambience mics?
I link my GGD to my Roland kit, works a treat, you couldn't tell their midi 👀😝x
Yeah, well.. in your case, there's still the human factor involved, all those tasty imperfections. When programming, the idea is trying to imitate that.
very helpful, thankyou!
Wow great, great content! Where can I get some 3rd party metal/rock drum samples for this kind of replacement?
DrumForge
@@justinsenaonline Nice! Thanks a lot!
GetGood Drums also do some great stuff
@@jakkistan Good call!
1. What about compression when using midi drums? Do you use compressors and when? At the "recording"/production or the mixing stage? What type? I am asking this because we know that these samples are compressed already.
2. What if the samples are more compressed than needed. How do you save that? By making the velocity range bigger for example?
Great video, thanks!
Some midi drums have the ability to remove the eq and comp and use the “raw” sound to tweak in your daw
1. You still may want to compress your final tracks, either individual drums or the full drum mix, to fit it in the overall mix, get a punchier sound, or otherwise to taste.
2. You'll get better results with samples that are recorded at different velocity levels if you're looking for a realistic sound. The compression on individual hits shouldn't matter that much.
what is the command you use to select all the notes from a note in 8:28?
Where did you get the Snare samples?
What's your favorite drum patch in Superior Drummer?
Time to buy a new mic stand, Mr Roelof!
'And all that good stuff' drinking game
And the if we get bored of it we can always play the "if that makes sense" game for a bit.
Is that the new John Mayer?
😂
Scotty! New Billie Eilish actually
@@RoelofKlopif you listen with a trained ear, you can hear some metal influence !
Whaddya mean you don't have to tune your MIDI drums?!? Of course you do!
This was a great video! I did the midi drum workshop a couple of weeks ago and these were definitely some of the key takeaways.
I’d love to see a video on how you can convince a client to use midi drums rather than recording their own.
I guess that's a tough task. Imagine being a drummer and being told you're not going to take part on the album because a robot can do your parts haha. Personally, I'd sacrifice for the album, but I guess there are some people who prefer to play the parts themselves with poor production vs getting replaced by a perfect-sounding midi drum plugin.
Pro tip: (still) don’t work with midi in pro tools
For main snare hits in Superior Drummer, are you using Center or Rimshot?
Thats the rimshot he's using here
This is of course really good advice. But the use of midi has become WAY to normalized. I mean you could just rent studio time and track a real drummer. Over/lazy production is one of the few reasons many people, including myself, don't like much of the newer metal being put out. And a huge part of the over production is the overuse and abuse of drum midi and guitar amp sim's. Please don't read what I'm not writing though. Im not saying you are lazy or a poor producer (you obviously make solid tracks and mixes) and I am not anti drum midi or amp sim, as I use samples for support frequently. Im just saying midi has become to heavily relied on and if its possible to use an actual human being for the whole kit. Its almost always better (quality of playing from said human is a different subject). The overuse of a specific sample isn't the problem (ask Andy Wallace). It's the overuse of midi period. With that said, I genuinely do enjoy and very much appreciate what Jordan and you do and provide.
quite simple: fake drums should sound fake unless the drummer plays a drummachine in bands video ;)
high quality does mean high quality performance which is missing on most modern records.
Do horns come out of the speaker when you play that angry heavy metal shit?
It's Satan listening through the speaker cones, and the longer you listen, the more He listens to you. Hail Satan.
I hate yt algorithme mostly for showing narcissistic bs like this like a norm