Paul another heartwrenching video today. Adrian certainly has done extensive research in documenting this tragedy. I'm ready for a Spitfire presentation. Wow--difficult material here. Thx Paul!!!
I was only able to catch the last 15 minutes or so of the livestream, but I did go back to the beginning and watched from there. I never new that Romania was so Anti-Semitic in it's past. I knew that the government during the war was Pro Nazi, but did not know about its role in The Holocaust. I have learned so much in the last two days thanks to WW2TV inviting such people as Adrian Cioflâncă to school us. He seems to be a fine scholar who is using his skills to educate, but also to memorialize one of the greatest tragedies of history. It is so relevant to today. Let us all never forget and always remind ourselves and others of the past.
Unfortunately that is where we are today and it is a dangerous phenomenon. We cherry pick history and only tell stories that won't make certain groups feel uncomfortable.
A fine example is the excuse for crimes against humanity that bolshevik jews perpetrated in russia. The excuse is that they were "oppressed" in russia at the time and saw the rise of bolshevism as an opportunity to fight back and what they did was completely justified. That is a horrible horrible lie. First of all "oppression" is when you're a captive. Whether by the plight of slave labor, or a systematic process of cleansing like the camps in poland were.
- The Constituent assembly, a legal body that was supposed to establish the new constitution and governing bodies, as agreed after the February revolution, was brutally disbanded, its members arrested and executed;
I finally was able to view this on Thursday. I found this very very hard to watch. My maternal grandparents came here to Wales (United Kingdom) in the early thirties from The Sudetenland in the thirties, and I remember as a child, in the early sixties, sitting of Granpa Jimmie's knee and he telling me of the journey he made through Europe to reach safety here. The year he died he showed me the pistol he had carried in case he and Nana Roza were stopped. They were Jews. Paul, I thank you for bringing this series of vitally important talks to us. As is usual, you have had some fantastic speakers. This is an important part of "The Story of WWII" and we often lose sight of the unspeakable evil behind the Axis Powers.
Thank you so much for all these wonderful programs on aspects of the war that go beyond the myths. It is too bad the viewership is less. But as long as you get through to a few people each time, it is all worth it! Keep up the good work.
An excellent presentation by Adrian. This channel continues do a fantastic job helping promoting, and to develop, and to preserve the memory of a wider view of WWII. Please keep up this important work - many thanks.
Important episode to have watched. Adrian is very knowledgeable and passionate about learning the truth around these atrocities. It was really interesting to find out how large the possibility is of future discoveries, although because this relies so heavily on eye witness accounts so much could be lost forever. Heartbreaking viewing💔
difficult to watch, but I commend both of you for presenting this topic. How, these countries ever recovered if that is the word, and went forward I will never know. God bless all those murdered and thank you for telling their story
Good show, hard subject be necessary and should more well know. Appreciate Adrian's work and knowledge on the subject, look forward to his next appearance.
Excellent. One question. My impression was that from the late 1930s Romania began to distinguish between the Jews of the Regat (pre-WWI Romania) and those of the territories gained after WWI (particularly Moldova). It was the latter who suffered loss of citizenship and most of the killings, while those of the Regat survived largely intact. This led to the anomalous situation that Romania was both responsible for the second largest number of Jewish deaths and for the survival of the largest Jewish community left in Europe. Germany had marked Romania's Jews down for transport to the death camps, but by the time this was due it was late 1942. They seem to have survived for two reasons - the tide of war was turning and the very nationalist Antonescu resented German interference in what he regarded as an internal Romanian matter. Is this an accurate assessment?
Wow, hard to comprehend the simple brutality. So many lives destroyed. Also, a really interesting insight into the changing borders/nations of Europe and beyond through the decades and ages..
Hi Paul, thank you so much for another very important show. Adrian is a wonderful guest and I look forward to hearing him again. Antisemitism is a cancer, and the growth rate of its cells is scary. It’s a deep seated hatred, one for which I have a strange fascination, in part because of their denials of everything and how they twist documented history saying that it was the Germans who were the victims of Jewish atrocities, and all the photos were “staged.” All the death camp scenes and documentaries were Hollywood actors that appeared to be skinny but were just “slender” and made to appear as though they were starving when actually it was the Jews who were well fed and they were starving the Germans. All the records, the Germans were meticulous to a fault with their documentation of numbers; names, places - documented history that has absolutely no room for error, but still they will turn it all upside down and say that six million Jews started WWII, had the death camps, enslaved the entire population of Germany and Europe - and Russia - it’s unbelievable. Hatred does such extraordinary things. Adrian is wonderful guest and I look forward to him returning to your show. Thank you both so very much. I really appreciate the work that goes into the show and in the field. There’s so much more to be discovered, and all these people’s histories need to be found and properly documented. God bless ~~~
@@WW2TV Dude u come across as a Moe Run with that introduction. Not saying you are one but that's what that introduction makes you sound like. First of all what does, "deportation" have to do with the holocaust?
@@fyfyi6053 I don't know what Moe Run means, sorry. But asking how Deportation connects to The Holocaust is a weird question I feel. In many areas across the Reich what starts as Deportation ends with Death. It's all part of the same ideology
You both make a great point about Military historians separating the holocaust with the military campaign. They are linked, and just perpetuates the clean Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe myths.
What an incredibly important presentation on a horrible subject! I am so grateful to Adrian for sharing his research with us and for WW2TV for being willing to give Adrian the platform to share his research with the world.
I'm so glad to see you've tackled this subject. Unfortunately in Romania there is still much denial and cover up about this aspect of our history, and much worship (even in official circles) of Antonescu and his regime. Adrian did mention this aspect, but I'm afraid he didn't get across the extent of it. Sure, there are some efforts being made to start a discussion about the Holocaust in Romania, but they are met with huge opposition and skepticism from the general population. I saw a couple of commenters here being offended about what was presented, but i asure you, if this were spoken in the Romanian language, the comment section would have been full of them. Still, i'm glad that this is being talked about more and more
No my dear this is a big lie exactly like today in Gaza. check the newspaper „Jewish Telegraphic Agency”, in August 1959 they published the following news: Jerusalem, August 23 (JTA) Israel Ministry of Finances announces that The West German government has agreed to pay compensation to the families of persons killed by nazis in Jassy, Rumania June 1941. Once again dear people please check this matter, we Romanians have been under this menace for a long time, they obligated us many times to give them full citizenship and rights but they entered our country without legal papers, we have many censored writers and politicians (starting the years 1850 to present day ) who cover this matter in detail, they want the Nord of Romania more exactly Moldova and the territories from Ukraine that belongs to Romania to be theirs, to make new Jewish state exactly like in Palestine today. And yes you are right if this was in Romanian you would have here much more comments here because we know what was happening and much more we know why we got in this position, we know about the Jews that took power in Romania after the year 1945 until 1957, which kills more then 500.000 Romanians in prisons because they don t want communism, remember here Pitesti experiment (Alexandr Solzhenitin said of the Pitesti Experiment - the largest and most aggressive brainwashing program through torture in the Eastern Bloc - that it was "the greatest barbarity of the contemporary world"). Once again you want more details about this please write here and with glad I will give you many more details. A very very strange thing happened in 2010 , Israeli President Shimon Peres( wich it is Sephardic jew not Ashkenazi) thanks to Romania because we helped more than 400.000 during the Second World War, we have the video footage if you want it.
no ,my dear this is a big lie propagated today because they want money from Romanians, check Ion Antonescu in Israel until the 90´s had a market with his name and a street. we have documents (even the Jewish documents from the chief Rabin from Iasi 1941 which show that around 2000 Jews were killed or deported because they was Bolshevik terrorist agents )
I read a lot of books about the Holocaust. The one book i regret reading was almost a thousand pages one, describing in an uncensored fashion, the gruesome details of the Holocaust in Romania. Gave me nightmares for months. Couldn't think of Romania or Romanians the same since then.
Romanian here. We don't like being occupied by foreigners (duh) but not all foreigners are equal. The fact that the post-war trials were done at the behest of and with the deep involvement of the *much hated* Russians does quite a number on their popular legitimacy to say the least, regardless of the veracity of the facts presented. If it would have been the Americans, we would be considerably more receptive to them today. After the fall of Ceaușescu, some members of Antonescu's government were officially rehabilitated. As was the Romanian counterpart to Eichmann. Those trials stand today, even as a mere formality for all practical purposes, simply because this is part of the price Romania has to pay to be part of EU/NATO.
if it were not for the Russian imperial army fighting the turkish invaders all of Romania would have been turned into ottoman provinces and Romanias orthodox culture destroyed. If there had been no Russian and Austrian armies fighting the ottoman invaders there would be no Romania today.
Thank you for this information. I am interested to know, that as a historian, Adrian would not include "cause and effect" in the actions of the Romanians and of the Jews. Since this approach is not used both the Romanians and the Jews write a one side history and the result is that a listener to this program gets a one sided history. The period covered in this report does not list the general make up of the political, geographic, religious and social make up of the Moldova, Muntenia and Transilvania the impact of Russia, Ottoman Empire and the Austro-Hungerian and the influence and impact that France, Germany and England had over Romania. I trust Adrian Cioflanca would give an honest report and NOT only make it a Romania vs Jews because that is NOT the case. The complicated complexity needs a good and comprehensive understating for a fair and honest evaluation.
I wrote a book on Romania in WWII in about 1994. I wonder if he is referring to my book at 13:58? Mine was a military history book, but I did devote a small part of it to the Shoah in Romania and Transnistria because the Romanian Army was involved. However, it was not a major focus.
No evidence for that ,but pogroms were made by Iron Guard ,they kill also democratic persons of Romania at the time , - Armand Calinescu (prime minister in 1939) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_C%C4%83linescu
those are the heroes of the roumanian people like it is now Bandera for the Ukrainians . this guy don t explain way the roumanian behave like this forget to tell that in those territories are territories that the Russians occupied in the year 1940 also he don t acknowledge the fact that from the years 1740 at Constantinople first time the Russian with the help of the germans start to steal those lands from the moldaviens the lands from the denister to the Bug river in Transnistria and in a short time again nord bucovina and so on . he forget that in those territories the Romanian population was deported , killed , take all their belongings and send them to siberia . in the place of the Romanians they put Russians and many Ukrainians and Jews . they forget about this atrocities lock please at the massacre from the Fantana Alba even in our days the Ukrainians make a documentary where say that at Fantana Alba only 50 Romanians where killed and this is because they attack the soviet army . this is a big lie they kill only at fantana alba more than 2000 unarmed Romanian peasants womens ,children's , priests with the white flag and religious flags . from the summer of the year 1940 on all this territory they killed Romanian population near Odesa 15.000 . the same thing was happened at Katin in Poland . this is the big lie that my people its put to endure from many hundreds of years and in our days the childas and the netwees of the infiltrated com internists in Ukraine ,Moldova,Roumania even now keep the soviet propaganda and the lies that they promote from the years 1924 when the KGB invented that the Moldaviens are different from Romanians and from back then the same lies that they use from the years 1740 in Basarabia , Bucovina ,Transnistria and start to delete the Roumanian people ,history and legacy and now in those days if you say to an Ucranian that Basarabia , Bucovina and transnistria was territories with Moldavian Romanian ethnicity they say that this is a lie .
You again? You stink of ignorance. Your adult historical imagination is based on childish propaganda. Read a book and learn to shut up. Or maybe you imagine that tens of lines of unrelated utterances are going to convince anyone? - Cei care sunt interesati de subiectul asta sunt cei mai multi cititori de carti serioase de istorie, asa ca lipsa ta de orientare va fi transparenta pentru oricine. Frazele tale ingramadite nu impresioneaza pe nimeni. Confunzi istoria pentru copii de clasa a patra cu istoria ca atare.
Ok, but here we are talking about the Holocaust in Romania, not about injustices perpetrated on the Romanian people. I'm sure you can find discussions about that as well in other places, but this video is about something different. The fact that you come here and change the subject gives the impression you are denying or minimizing the atrocities committed by the Romanian people, and frankly that's just disrespectful towards all the tens of thousands of victims. Other than that, the less said about your discourse being borrowed from neo-fascist elements in present day Romania, the better.
Tragic subject. Unfortunately the lessons don't seem to have sunk in. We are in the situation where a supposedly forward thinking modern Western European country is starting back down the slippery slope. Deporting (or trying to) 'undesirables' to Rwanda for goodness sake. Madagascar anybody?
Evil doesn't exist, like the word sin, it is derived from religious texts. Ideology though can be studied and that's what the Nazis fought for, a cruel, despicable ideology
Paul another heartwrenching video today. Adrian certainly has done extensive research in documenting this tragedy. I'm ready for a Spitfire presentation. Wow--difficult material here. Thx Paul!!!
I was only able to catch the last 15 minutes or so of the livestream, but I did go back to the beginning and watched from there. I never new that Romania was so Anti-Semitic in it's past. I knew that the government during the war was Pro Nazi, but did not know about its role in The Holocaust. I have learned so much in the last two days thanks to WW2TV inviting such people as Adrian Cioflâncă to school us. He seems to be a fine scholar who is using his skills to educate, but also to memorialize one of the greatest tragedies of history. It is so relevant to today. Let us all never forget and always remind ourselves and others of the past.
Yes, I agree but history should be told in its entirety and not cherry picked for Politically Correct reasons my friend.
Unfortunately that is where we are today and it is a dangerous phenomenon. We cherry pick history and only tell stories that won't make certain groups feel uncomfortable.
A fine example is the excuse for crimes against humanity that bolshevik jews perpetrated in russia.
The excuse is that they were "oppressed" in russia at the time and saw the rise of bolshevism as an opportunity to fight back and what they did was completely justified.
That is a horrible horrible lie.
First of all "oppression" is when you're a captive. Whether by the plight of slave labor, or a systematic process of cleansing like the camps in poland were.
Trotsky and Lenin are a fine example. u can search the internet for what they did u won't find anything.
- The Constituent assembly, a legal body that was supposed to establish the new constitution and governing bodies, as agreed after the February revolution, was brutally disbanded, its members arrested and executed;
I finally was able to view this on Thursday. I found this very very hard to watch. My maternal grandparents came here to Wales (United Kingdom) in the early thirties from The Sudetenland in the thirties, and I remember as a child, in the early sixties, sitting of Granpa Jimmie's knee and he telling me of the journey he made through Europe to reach safety here. The year he died he showed me the pistol he had carried in case he and Nana Roza were stopped. They were Jews.
Paul, I thank you for bringing this series of vitally important talks to us. As is usual, you have had some fantastic speakers. This is an important part of "The Story of WWII" and we often lose sight of the unspeakable evil behind the Axis Powers.
Thank you so much for all these wonderful programs on aspects of the war that go beyond the myths. It is too bad the viewership is less. But as long as you get through to a few people each time, it is all worth it! Keep up the good work.
An excellent presentation by Adrian. This channel continues do a fantastic job helping promoting, and to develop, and to preserve the memory of a wider view of WWII. Please keep up this important work - many thanks.
Important episode to have watched. Adrian is very knowledgeable and passionate about learning the truth around these atrocities. It was really interesting to find out how large the possibility is of future discoveries, although because this relies so heavily on eye witness accounts so much could be lost forever. Heartbreaking viewing💔
Adrian is a moron
difficult to watch, but I commend both of you for presenting this topic. How, these countries ever recovered if that is the word, and went forward I will never know. God bless all those murdered and thank you for telling their story
Thank you. These horrible subjects get lower views than conventional battle shows but they are important
I hope that Adrian can return to share his knowledge and insights with us in the future. Excellent presentation and hosting.
He will be back definitely
Good show, hard subject be necessary and should more well know. Appreciate Adrian's work and knowledge on the subject, look forward to his next appearance.
Much appreciated!
Excellent. One question. My impression was that from the late 1930s Romania began to distinguish between the Jews of the Regat (pre-WWI Romania) and those of the territories gained after WWI (particularly Moldova). It was the latter who suffered loss of citizenship and most of the killings, while those of the Regat survived largely intact. This led to the anomalous situation that Romania was both responsible for the second largest number of Jewish deaths and for the survival of the largest Jewish community left in Europe. Germany had marked Romania's Jews down for transport to the death camps, but by the time this was due it was late 1942. They seem to have survived for two reasons - the tide of war was turning and the very nationalist Antonescu resented German interference in what he regarded as an internal Romanian matter. Is this an accurate assessment?
Wow, hard to comprehend the simple brutality. So many lives destroyed. Also, a really interesting insight into the changing borders/nations of Europe and beyond through the decades and ages..
As a romanian, I’m very happy to see this , many romanians do not know the full extent of what unfolded on ww2, thank you for your efforts
Esti un spalt la creier. Sper ca esti injeKtat
Incredible information Paul Adrian has done an amazing job collecting this information.
Hi Paul, thank you so much for another very important show. Adrian is a wonderful guest and I look forward to hearing him again. Antisemitism is a cancer, and the growth rate of its cells is scary. It’s a deep seated hatred, one for which I have a strange fascination, in part because of their denials of everything and how they twist documented history saying that it was the Germans who were the victims of Jewish atrocities, and all the photos were “staged.” All the death camp scenes and documentaries were Hollywood actors that appeared to be skinny but were just “slender” and made to appear as though they were starving when actually it was the Jews who were well fed and they were starving the Germans. All the records, the Germans were meticulous to a fault with their documentation of numbers; names, places - documented history that has absolutely no room for error, but still they will turn it all upside down and say that six million Jews started WWII, had the death camps, enslaved the entire population of Germany and Europe - and Russia - it’s unbelievable. Hatred does such extraordinary things.
Adrian is wonderful guest and I look forward to him returning to your show. Thank you both so very much. I really appreciate the work that goes into the show and in the field. There’s so much more to be discovered, and all these people’s histories need to be found and properly documented. God bless ~~~
Thanks for the nice comments and yes Adrian will be back
@@WW2TV Dude u come across as a Moe Run with that introduction. Not saying you are one but that's what that introduction makes you sound like.
First of all what does, "deportation" have to do with the holocaust?
@@fyfyi6053 I don't know what Moe Run means, sorry. But asking how Deportation connects to The Holocaust is a weird question I feel. In many areas across the Reich what starts as Deportation ends with Death. It's all part of the same ideology
@@WW2TV yes because only jews have been deported and killed after...lol
@@fyfyi6053 umm... deportations were ACTUAL part of the Holocaust... People were deported to concentration camps and ghettos, what do you mean, lol
You both make a great point about Military historians separating the holocaust with the military campaign. They are linked, and just perpetuates the clean Wehrmacht and Luftwaffe myths.
What an incredibly important presentation on a horrible subject! I am so grateful to Adrian for sharing his research with us and for WW2TV for being willing to give Adrian the platform to share his research with the world.
I'm so glad to see you've tackled this subject. Unfortunately in Romania there is still much denial and cover up about this aspect of our history, and much worship (even in official circles) of Antonescu and his regime. Adrian did mention this aspect, but I'm afraid he didn't get across the extent of it. Sure, there are some efforts being made to start a discussion about the Holocaust in Romania, but they are met with huge opposition and skepticism from the general population. I saw a couple of commenters here being offended about what was presented, but i asure you, if this were spoken in the Romanian language, the comment section would have been full of them. Still, i'm glad that this is being talked about more and more
No my dear this is a big lie exactly like today in Gaza. check the newspaper „Jewish Telegraphic Agency”, in August 1959 they published the following news: Jerusalem, August 23 (JTA) Israel Ministry of Finances announces that The West German government has agreed to pay compensation to the families of persons killed by nazis in Jassy, Rumania June 1941. Once again dear people please check this matter, we Romanians have been under this menace for a long time, they obligated us many times to give them full citizenship and rights but they entered our country without legal papers, we have many censored writers and politicians (starting the years 1850 to present day ) who cover this matter in detail, they want the Nord of Romania more exactly Moldova and the territories from Ukraine that belongs to Romania to be theirs, to make new Jewish state exactly like in Palestine today. And yes you are right if this was in Romanian you would have here much more comments here because we know what was happening and much more we know why we got in this position, we know about the Jews that took power in Romania after the year 1945 until 1957, which kills more then 500.000 Romanians in prisons because they don t want communism, remember here Pitesti experiment (Alexandr Solzhenitin said of the Pitesti Experiment - the largest and most aggressive brainwashing program through torture in the Eastern Bloc - that it was "the greatest barbarity of the contemporary world"). Once again you want more details about this please write here and with glad I will give you many more details. A very very strange thing happened in 2010 , Israeli President Shimon Peres( wich it is Sephardic jew not Ashkenazi) thanks to Romania because we helped more than 400.000 during the Second World War, we have the video footage if you want it.
no ,my dear this is a big lie propagated today because they want money from Romanians, check Ion Antonescu in Israel until the 90´s had a market with his name and a street. we have documents (even the Jewish documents from the chief Rabin from Iasi 1941 which show that around 2000 Jews were killed or deported because they was Bolshevik terrorist agents )
Thank you for this harrowing yet timely presentation. Unfortunately, the horrors continue.
You're very welcome
I read a lot of books about the Holocaust. The one book i regret reading was almost a thousand pages one, describing in an uncensored fashion, the gruesome details of the Holocaust in Romania. Gave me nightmares for months. Couldn't think of Romania or Romanians the same since then.
Is that Radu Ioanid"s book?
@@Cipricus
I can't really remember.
Romanian here. We don't like being occupied by foreigners (duh) but not all foreigners are equal. The fact that the post-war trials were done at the behest of and with the deep involvement of the *much hated* Russians does quite a number on their popular legitimacy to say the least, regardless of the veracity of the facts presented. If it would have been the Americans, we would be considerably more receptive to them today. After the fall of Ceaușescu, some members of Antonescu's government were officially rehabilitated. As was the Romanian counterpart to Eichmann. Those trials stand today, even as a mere formality for all practical purposes, simply because this is part of the price Romania has to pay to be part of EU/NATO.
if it were not for the Russian imperial army fighting the turkish invaders all of Romania would have been turned into ottoman provinces and Romanias orthodox culture destroyed.
If there had been no Russian and Austrian armies fighting the ottoman invaders there would be no Romania today.
Are you justifying the Holocaust in Romania????
Thank you for this information. I am interested to know, that as a historian, Adrian would not include "cause and effect" in the actions of the Romanians and of the Jews. Since this approach is not used both the Romanians and the Jews write a one side history and the result is that a listener to this program gets a one sided history. The period covered in this report does not list the general make up of the political, geographic, religious and social make up of the Moldova, Muntenia and Transilvania the impact of Russia, Ottoman Empire and the Austro-Hungerian and the influence and impact that France, Germany and England had over Romania. I trust Adrian Cioflanca would give an honest report and NOT only make it a Romania vs Jews because that is NOT the case. The complicated complexity needs a good and comprehensive understating for a fair and honest evaluation.
Adrian Cioflanca is compromised. You cannot trust him
Excellent presentation.
I wrote a book on Romania in WWII in about 1994. I wonder if he is referring to my book at 13:58? Mine was a military history book, but I did devote a small part of it to the Shoah in Romania and Transnistria because the Romanian Army was involved. However, it was not a major focus.
Maybe, it is yours. You could ask him, he's on social media
@@WW2TV Thanks. I will try Facebook.
Yes hard to watch, but part of history....
Did Amy slavic Romanians work as death camp guards under SS command? I have an unusual reason for asking this, one that I'm reluctant to mention.
Grant Harewood is the chap to ask, hopefully he will see this
@@WW2TV thankyou. Any help would be greatly appreciated
No evidence for that ,but pogroms were made by Iron Guard ,they kill also democratic persons of Romania at the time , - Armand Calinescu (prime minister in 1939) en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armand_C%C4%83linescu
those are the heroes of the roumanian people like it is now Bandera for the Ukrainians . this guy don t explain way the roumanian behave like this forget to tell that in those territories are territories that the Russians occupied in the year 1940 also he don t acknowledge the fact that from the years 1740 at Constantinople first time the Russian with the help of the germans start to steal those lands from the moldaviens the lands from the denister to the Bug river in Transnistria and in a short time again nord bucovina and so on . he forget that in those territories the Romanian population was deported , killed , take all their belongings and send them to siberia . in the place of the Romanians they put Russians and many Ukrainians and Jews . they forget about this atrocities lock please at the massacre from the Fantana Alba even in our days the Ukrainians make a documentary where say that at Fantana Alba only 50 Romanians where killed and this is because they attack the soviet army . this is a big lie they kill only at fantana alba more than 2000 unarmed Romanian peasants womens ,children's , priests with the white flag and religious flags . from the summer of the year 1940 on all this territory they killed Romanian population near Odesa 15.000 . the same thing was happened at Katin in Poland . this is the big lie that my people its put to endure from many hundreds of years and in our days the childas and the netwees of the infiltrated com internists in Ukraine ,Moldova,Roumania even now keep the soviet propaganda and the lies that they promote from the years 1924 when the KGB invented that the Moldaviens are different from Romanians and from back then the same lies that they use from the years 1740 in Basarabia , Bucovina ,Transnistria and start to delete the Roumanian people ,history and legacy and now in those days if you say to an Ucranian that Basarabia , Bucovina and transnistria was territories with Moldavian Romanian ethnicity they say that this is a lie .
You again? You stink of ignorance. Your adult historical imagination is based on childish propaganda. Read a book and learn to shut up. Or maybe you imagine that tens of lines of unrelated utterances are going to convince anyone? - Cei care sunt interesati de subiectul asta sunt cei mai multi cititori de carti serioase de istorie, asa ca lipsa ta de orientare va fi transparenta pentru oricine. Frazele tale ingramadite nu impresioneaza pe nimeni. Confunzi istoria pentru copii de clasa a patra cu istoria ca atare.
Ok, but here we are talking about the Holocaust in Romania, not about injustices perpetrated on the Romanian people. I'm sure you can find discussions about that as well in other places, but this video is about something different. The fact that you come here and change the subject gives the impression you are denying or minimizing the atrocities committed by the Romanian people, and frankly that's just disrespectful towards all the tens of thousands of victims. Other than that, the less said about your discourse being borrowed from neo-fascist elements in present day Romania, the better.
Tragic subject. Unfortunately the lessons don't seem to have sunk in. We are in the situation where a supposedly forward thinking modern Western European country is starting back down the slippery slope. Deporting (or trying to) 'undesirables' to Rwanda for goodness sake. Madagascar anybody?
Cand vorbiti de crimmele ovreilor?
Whataboutism is not tolerated here. This was about the Holocaust. If you want to talk about something else, set up your own RUclips channel
@@WW2TV YOU KNOW THAT Y.T WILL ERRASE IT. YOU KNOW THAT THERE IS NO FREEDOM OF SPEACH. WHY ARE YOU LYING( HALF TRUTH)?
They delete holocaust denial yes, rightly so
You cant intellectualize evil
Evil doesn't exist, like the word sin, it is derived from religious texts. Ideology though can be studied and that's what the Nazis fought for, a cruel, despicable ideology
Why?
Why what?
Unfortunately, it seems that the world hasn’t learned anything from history..
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