Will Teaches Gay History to his Young Date (Ben Platt) | Will & Grace '17
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2024
- What's the difference between a Gen X and a Gen Z gay person? Will explains.
Ben Platt guest stars.
Season 01, Episode 02, Who's Your Daddy?
Will (Eric McCormack) and Jack (Sean Hayes) try to date younger guys but find it challenging. Grace (Debra Messing) and Karen (Megan Mullally) experience a crisis that reveals Grace's true feelings about Karen. Ben Platt guest stars.
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Will: "He doesn't like Madonna."
Jack: "He should be beaten with a VHS copy of Evita."
With Roe v. Wade about to be overturned, that last part that Will said: "the minute we forget what we went through to get here, is the minute it could all be taken away," really hits differently now. The reason is because with this about to be overturned, our rights are now in jeopardy. Folks need to stop taking these rights for granted, continue to learn about the history and continue to fight for them and never take them for granted.
Oof I felt that pretty hard today too.
i came to say the same
Absurd comparison. Killing a life vs having the right to be your authentic self are totally different things. That is, abortion is totally wrong.
@@Daniel-jo4he not an absurd comparison at all. While you may not agree with an abortion, you do not have any rights to tell what a woman should or should not do with her own body. This shows your hypocrisy when it comes to liberties and freedoms, but it also speaks to your privilege as a man because there are no laws telling us what to do with our bodies. Check yourself first and as I tell folks out there, know your history first. Legal experts say this, the turning down of Roe v Wade will permit for other civil liberties to come under attack, such as same sex marriage, adoption, or even privacy laws that came into effect with Lawrence v Texas, that may be put to test.
@@Daniel-jo4he why do you give a damn about what women do with their bodies? Are you willing to step in and care for the children that these women know they're not physically or mentally prepared to raise? If not, you'd best hold your tongue, and realise that none of us are telling you how to live your life. What other people decide to do with their bodies is NONE. OF. YOUR. BUSINESS.
Can we all agree that Ben Platt did amazing portraying this character, he is good looking, very talented and has a great personality... "Which is SUuuUper Hot" 🤣
His character represents the demanding entitled gays that are going to erode everything that my 58 years fought for. But hyperbole is very in. ( side note: the last joke was referencing a famous speech from Designing Women. Referencing a hit song from the 70's that will Never be sampled, sung by the star of Mamas Family. You are probably too young to know that if you think Ben Platt is amazing.
@@jeffreywillstewart what are you even trying to say here? yes, the character is an idiot. and yes, Ben did a good job playing it.
@@jeffreywillstewart “demanding entitled gays” LOL
For someone who has “fought for 58 years”, you sure don’t seem to be someone who is inclusive. You hopped on a comment that had nothing but positive things to say, and just felt the need to spread negativity.
You’ve had your time. There’s no need to be bitter.
@@Shih01n they asked the question, " can we agree". I answered it. Gay rights is an ongoing struggle, not to be put on the shoulders of Ben Platt, who never bothered to suggest to the DEH creators ( and his dad) to make Evan gay, which would have explained the need for lies. He is pure nepotism vanity , going for the payday. so yes , they hit a nerve.
@@jeffreywillstewart He merely asked if Ben Platt did a good job at portraying a character.
You however, went as far as explaining what the character represents, you assumed the person commenting is “too young” for his comment, and you also bothered explaining jokes that were made in the scene.
Nowhere in your whole comment did you “answer” his question.
As a young gay man I made sure that I'm aware of our history because it is important for me to know. We have existed and fought tooth and nail since ancient times and not knowing that is an offense to the community and to our ancestors who made sure we would get our rights.
as an elder gay and for the elder gays before me, we thank you.
you can say the same about a lot of people tho
Actually in ancient times it was a nice activity for men to pound each other all day, a sign of masculinity
Preach gurl!!!
It's true that there are pockets of extreme gay acceptance where lgbt kids don't know how hard it was, but in many parts of the world (and even the U.S.), that clueless gen-z experience is really not the norm.
Yeah definitely not in most places tbh
@@AS-ri1mb New York City is definitely a bubble, we regularly got made fun of here in Nevada til the mid 2010s...
I'm Gen X, and I am so over the concept of "coming out." It seems so archaic. But you're absolutely right, it's still an issue for some.
I look forward to the day when sexuality is not something that people have to "announce."
Of course the performances were great, and the point is crucial, but these lines did not just ooze from the lips of Platt and McCormack. Those writers on this series were brilliant. By the way, I am most definitely a 'History Puff...'
At the end the nod to Designing Women & Julia Sugarbaker -- "the night the lights went out in Georgia."
Me too, i love 1776, a top 5 movie for me, that is all but forgotten in the shadow of Hamilton now.
I've met so many people like Ben's character. Clueless about the struggles we've gone through to secure the rights we have today. Unaware of the suffering and loss we've experienced as a community in order for today's gays to "walk around in skinny jeans with right you never even knew you never had". I'm only 40...technically a millennial. But I grew up in a small town with a conservative family and experienced most of the typical "coming out" traumas like being unwelcome in my home. Fortunately with time we've mended ties...and at least it wasn't far worse. But every time I talk to some 'kid' who has no appreciation for what came before him I end up in the same lecture/wonder years mentality that will portrays so well here.
men were wearing dresses and makeup long before america existed so......................
@@serenityq26 so..........the point being that they weren't safe to do so in most places for most of history. Being out and proud and normalizing being openly gay publicly is something that has benefitted every generation more and more as time progresses. Not sure why you felt the need to put such a pointless comment which added nothing of value and belittled the progress of the community.
And the battle is not over. Young gay men are being stoned to death etc
Ben Platt was EXCELLENT as this character! OMG!🤣Excellently written btw!
As a zillenial, Ben Platt's character is a travesty. I came out the first time at 15 and I went to Catholic School. I was painfully aware of the rights our community struggled for and my curiosity led me down rabbit holes of historical, political, and cultural queerness. It really wasn't until after I graduated that I wondered why nobody taught me this?
I feel like it's a bit inaccurate because from my experience gen z are a lot more socially aware and more informed on historical systems of oppression
no idea what a zillenial is but fact is, as much as you try to make gay a community its not. that one thing isnt enough to bring us together, especially when racism, classism, and vsuperficiality is previlent in the "community". so as much as you think its all our history it really isnt. i mean there is a reason yall dont study black american history..........
@@serenityq26 A zillenial is someone born between the tail end of the Millennials and the very beginning of Gen Z. Like the concept of the cusp in astrology, a zillennial has certain millennial experiences (like landline phones and certain TV shows, remembering 9/11) and certain Gen Z experiences (like always being connected to the internet, childhood in the early 2000's, boybands, certain fashions, tv shows the older millennials didn't watch).
@@RaindropsOnLichen I didn't expect it to come to me, not at first. It wasn't until years after I graduated from highschool I started wondering why. I didn't expect it to come to me, but it is history, just as much as the unions if the 50's and 60's, the world wars, the stock market crashes. Just like the histories of all other marginalised groups, it's a shame these histories aren't taught.
Its really less of a generational thing as it is an intellectual one. Natural curiosity, when exercised properly, is the beginning of knowledge as it sparks interest and desire to know more. While I agree, theres a big difference in generational values; the reality is, the younger generations just arent taking people's word for anything. They're actually researching things and making INFORMED and CONSCIENTIOUS decisions for themselves instead of being told what to believe. From my nearly 42 year (gay male who came out in the 90's) perspective, its honestly beautiful to see!
Love Will so much here 🥰🥰🥰 And when he gave him that choice it’s like he would always choose lecture 😁😁
Me too I gay and happy 😊 hiiiii🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🏳️🌈🌸🌸😊😊🌸❤️🌈
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Beautiful speech Will. So many truths there for younger gay people to realise understand and appreciate.
especially in today's climate when it feels like we're going backwards and having rights taken away again...
I always loved this show not just for the humor but the heart. It made me laugh and really helped to bring us forward into the mainstream. It taught as much as it entertained.
I miss this show ❤️
Nice nod to "Designing Women" there at the end of Will's lecture!
Omg the Stonehenge joke got me. Imagine if the rock formation was made by 🏳️🌈 folks fighting for gay rights in antiquity
It’s 2022, it’s still not easy for a gay man. My parents did not accept when I came out 3 years ago and still won’t meet my now husband. It’s illegal for me to have a child via surrogacy in my state even though a straight married couple can do it legally. And there are two Supreme Court judges who want to take away gay marriage, if not more. The work is far from done.
Sadly i think there’s always going to be homophobes. There will always be ignorant people and as long as there is, there will be homophobes
Sad truth.
So many human rights are under attack in the USA.
I hope the american ppl remember the hard fought for rights need to be protected and vote to do just that.
Even if it doesn't effect them personally today
As the famous peotic forms first the came reminds us.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a socialist.
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out-because I was not a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out-because I was not a Jew.
Then they came for me-and there was no one left to speak for me.
-Martin Niemöller
Sending love from Australia
Ben Platt is simply adorable.
Halloween will always be property of The Gays™!
Will was always going off the deep end haha
Julia sugarbaker would be proud
omg the Stonehenge bit always gets me!! hysterical! 🤣🤣🤣
I'm 23, I can't come out to my parents because of what would happen, the community I grew up in has so many violently homophobic people that they are pushing LGBT people out of the community, I'm still afraid to claim my identity and yet I educate myself on those who came before because I still had the chance to easily claim who I am even if I can't be that to the world I live in. So many of our LGBTQ elders are not with us, and that is part of our story, that is why we all must carry the stories onward.
Fagasaurus, 🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
I’m dying 😂😂😂
omg, I saw this on TV and didn't know thats Ben Platt. he is so good, funny. he should get a spin off sitcom
You do know that Will & Grace ended about 15 years ago, right ?
@@vulcan2882 and there was a reboot. Not sure what relevance your comment has?
@@AS-ri1mb .. ya but it only ran for a season or two before it was ax'ed.
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Three seasons actually for the reboot. The cast mutually decided to call it quits. Originally it was only supposed to be for 10 episodes but because of fan interest, it lasted three seasons.
@@user-ms3jz7ub7n .. I only saw the first two season and then nothing after that. That's why I thought it was just two.
Prescient, perhaps? With this new Supreme Court, we’ll see soon enough.
Sadly it’s so true; Florida?
If you try to watch this video in Florida, you get one of those "video unavailable in this region" messages
That is sad but not surprising at all.
I just wish this was an extension of the original. I would have liked to see Will as a gay father and grace as a mother. The two of them living together once more after divorcing. Jack would be rich and Karen would be his clinger. That would have been great.
I thought it was an extension of the original?
@@AS-ri1mb They basically erased the final season of the original run and then continued the new run.
Will & Grace were both married and the final scene is their kids meeting in college after nearly 2 decades of Will & Grace not talking to each other. It would have been nice to pick-up from there.
@@AS-ri1mb Kind of. In the original Grace has a one night stand with her ex Leo that leads to her getting pregnant and eventually them getting back together. Will gets married to Vince and they adopt. Will and Grace don't talk forever because of Grace getting back with Leo or something but there kids meet in college and everyone reconnects (also some other people die). They basically said all of that was a dream Karen had.
I have mixed feelings because they really did rip a happy ending away from Will but at least Grace didn't get back with her cheating ex husband because of a one night stand with him.
Will called it.
I remember waiting for new episodes when I was younger I didn't know they brought it back
I mean, I’m gen z and although my experience was a lot easier than a lot of peoples it still wasn’t as perfect as the guy in the video. My parents did the “You’re too young to know” routine, they ignore the fact that I like girls (I am a girl btw) as well as I like boys, after my friend and I kissed, and she told her mom she is no longer aloud to be alone with me. Although I do have many excepting friends, it still isn’t perfect and I think that is just something I need to express. Especially if you consider the world outside of America.
Very well done. ❤🎉
And now, quite possibly - with Alito and Thomas leading the way - we may very well be at that lights out moment. The legal reasoning deployed in what will likely be the Dobbs opinion is startlingly clear - and yes, I am a lawyer.
It doesn’t help that six of the justices are bought and paid for by the Federalist society (dark money billionaire funded) right wing zealots. Women’s rights are under assault, voting rights have been gutted and gay marriage is next on the chopping block.
one of my favourite episodes of the show. great acting. Ben Platt totally fits.
I kind of wanted to see Will's date makeout with him at the end.
İmportant scène for GAY & POP-Culture!
Omg Ben Platt. We get it. You can sing.
Stonehenge xD
Ah yes..... I remember well those infamous Stonehenge Riots. The "Rock" music blaring all around. Mighty men swinging their big clubs. The fierce queens showing how to "drag" (their stones). A good time was had by all. But I'm as old as dirt so of course I would remember...... 😁👍
Oh so THAT’S why I can’t get lucky 🤣 I can’t NOT have history lesson 😂
The community, town, people, nation, etc., who do not know their history, IS CONDEMNED TO REPEAT IT. That is why it is important to know the struggles of our elders. because we never know when things can change
This is so relatable lmao. i am always the one giving lectures now. god i feel old. 😂
I like Ben Platt 😊😊😊😊😊
I’m 29 and my coming out was not happy
I know, right? I want a coming out party or two.
They need to reboot again I'd love it
Gotta love the Designing Women reference!
I love Ben Platt
A history as rights were acquired (and their need to be continually defended).
My favourite part of this scene is the “Designing Women” reference!!!
I suppose you could have this same conversation but replace it with a young woman and her grandmother "Oh, you aren't going to vote this weekend honey, let me tell you something!"
I prefer this,than having sex,as well. Yes I'm 43
This reboot was amazing. So mature. ❤
A trumpet for homosexuals universally.🔥⭐️🔥⭐️🔥⭐️👍
To have Ben Platt as a date... 😍🥺
Will is better looking imo
Is it weird I more inclined to listen to him rant than hook up at that point?
This show should be the Simpsons.... The ending didn't do it justice but the whole series was, is, AND shall remain one of the fun-nest gay friendly shows before the whole OTT boom....
What’s the OTT boom?
For anyone like me wondering its the 1st season of the updated will and grace show or season 9 episode 2 called whos your daddy
This character feels like it was written by someone who simultaneously doesn't understand and hates younger people.
Do you think its about hating younger ppl or about sending a clear message & maybe the delivery hurt a bit? I mean there's a different episode that tackles biphobia and the younger people are teaching will & grace. These are set characters so sometimes it can't be the same 4 ppl learning things from each other. Plus young ppl are people ie individuals. They cant all be the aware character.
@@rensins08 I think the message is just poorly done.
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You know, it wasn’t til I was maybe 19-20 when I finally admitted it to myself that I was gay. But I didn’t really have the whole “tragedy” or whatever about coming to terms with it. I just didn’t bother with romantic stuff cuz I didn’t see the point when I didn’t have a car or a job to make it happen. Plus I put school above everything else. But I still get why it’s a big deal to not forget things were rougher back then, and still are in some areas. Here’s one thing I hope those shitsticks on the Supreme Court remember: how Stonewall started
The young guy seems too strawman-y
i had this happen to me from an old guy. oh the lecture i got from this boomer.
finally WILL is great !! and not a WIMP BRAVO
Ben Platt actually looks hot with a beard. He looks so different than how he used to in Pitch Perfect!
Will is coming over as a preachy old queen here..
Pretty well written scene for a sitcom - more relevant in run-up to 2024 elections than ever.
They didn’t have to drag Madonna’s looks though, putting a woman down for a cheap joke ain’t it, especially when he goes on to say she was there for us. How about a little respect?
agreed. what i think is he was implying how younger people hate on her so much. it was still unnecessary.
Rest easy. I've poured the foundation for a church.
Totally. She was on this show as a guest star too! Why make fun of her?
@@kevinhsu8184 cut to me being annoyed at Will
I concur. She did a lot for them. Compassion that is quiet but manifested rights.
My boyfriend Will with my boyfriend Ben Platt. I can die now...
OK, Mr. Sugarbaker!!!
Ok,....as much as this reboot SUCKS!!!!! Finally a BIT of a SCENE where they wrote A BIT of reality and THIS MOMENT really stands out!!!!!
🏳️🌈 Never forget 🏳️🌈
Why would he quote Julia Sugarbaker? 😄😂🤣
Because earlier at the begining of the episode he mentioned the same quote to Grace for I forgot what reason.
@@rick90604whittier Oh, I got it. It’s even funnier (or more horrible) to think that one must be of a certain age to truly get why it’s funny.
Kids today don’t know who Matthew Shepherd was
Ben Platt is TOO adorbs!
And we will always be under attack
The elephant in the room is the deplorable legal system that seems to forget the 'for the people by the people'.......archaic and needs a review especially for the future of the US.
I appreciate the fact they are drinking white wine. Clearly a sauv blanc.
This is typical of this generation, I remember the A.I D. S. crisis, being mindful of sex, protesting discrimination, seeing the quilt. Now it’s “these are my pronouns,” and I want to add onto a rainbow flag that is the ultimate expression of a spectrum. It just seems it’s less about creating a diverse community and more about self interest. I want to be seen as unique, not see us as a community. Ok I know I’m ranting, but I miss my gay bookstore in my gay ghetto next to the community center. Cancel culture has canceled our culture.
Very passionate and moving. One question - what's a bookstore?
@@omrabj 🤡🤪😆😂🤣👍🏼
you want to fight for your rights again and deal with an epidemic? move to florida or any other state governed by a right wing gop christian fanatic.
@@bsquared4604 you missed the point. Yes fighting was hard but so were the friendships and sense of community that sprang forth because of it. Yes there was a fragility of life but it made living precious and celebratory. Remember how we all tuned in to Ellen’s coming out on tv, or how Will and Grace was watched. Yes, we have come far but now that we are assimilating those things that distinguished us are disappearing too. Yes, it was tough but it wasn’t all that bad either.
@@calvinbethea3369 I think That's what the establishment wanted, for us to slink back into our velvet lounges in shame and be quiet about it. They miss the days when we would pretend to be straight. Lie to women to get voter babies. But you are so right. That fight and real fear of AIDS. Gave us a strong community, and with that, community strength. And I loved those days. The LGTBQ 's don't understand how subtle those victories were. And fragile. Ben Platt and Beanie just represent how glib this new community is about our fight for their rights. Of course , all there dreams should come true. It's Bennie and Beanie. No self awareness.
Will looks so hot lecturing!😍
Its like they saw the future. Its happening all over the planet
Where's Meghan?
to apricate the present you have to take a walk down history.
pretty priv 😂 "suuuper hot" 😍
Ben Platt is amazing..
I feel so old :(
S A M E
Yeah that's a downer.
History puff
That's right! Teach the younins'!
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Ben is such a natural at comedy.
Ben....too young to understand the Julia Sugarbaker Designing Women reference!
What does it mean though?
@@IslanderloverBKK it’s a reference to a character on Designing Women, a sitcom from the 80s.
This was done a few years ago on will and grace but illustrates certain points exactly
ruclips.net/video/k65u9q8F5MI/видео.htmlsi=2BCsrFhe-fWRolrB
Joseph and today TV
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This hasn't aged well. All Will's points are great but with the end of Roe v Wade heralding the loss of many other rights, Don't Say Gay, anti-trans bills, the banning of LGBT books... kids know what is going on. 5 years ago I guess it seemed that real LGBT equality was on the horizon but that was short lived. I don't really think younger people were ever as clueless as this scene made it seem.
1:05 Damnit Will, wait til AFTER sex before you talk about his political bs.
not more gay men portraying gay men 😂😂😂😂
This is what we call projection.
Someone sounds bitter....
It's sooooo nice not to hear from fool woke will as well as grace!!!!!
Ugh. I can’t stand Ben Platt
Ben Platt is just annoying!