Hyper Mid-Drive Mountain Geometry and Specifications - Questions Answered on the best Walmart eMTB

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  • @corrado9076
    @corrado9076 Год назад +3

    Good catch on the fork

  • @t_c5266
    @t_c5266 Год назад +1

    Thanks for answering my question! That definitely helps. I would love to mountain bike more. But after an hour of climbing for 10 minutes downhill, im pretty beat. I really want one of these

  • @bobk381
    @bobk381 Год назад +2

    Looking forward to your “modifications” video. I’m not usually interested in e-bikes but this one is interesting, probably because it is mid-drive. Carry on…

  • @Bengy22
    @Bengy22 Год назад +4

    Hey Kev just wanted to let you know on hypers website they actually list the torque at 110nm, this could line up with vinka's c20 motor that has a "peak torque" of 110nm and a "max effective toque" of 80nm though.

  • @cup_and_cone
    @cup_and_cone Год назад +2

    That fork is wild... Suntour makes a Boost and standard 100 OLD version of that fork. I wonder if Suntour slapped on a bunch of XCM32 Boost stickers to get the order done because they ran out of the standard XCM32 stickers.

  • @shenmisheshou7002
    @shenmisheshou7002 Год назад +1

    Bushings are a better option for low speed, heavy loads than bearings are, so it is actually a better choice for suspension pivots. When properly lubed, they should last longer than bearings and provide better stiffness. This information is pretty easy to verify.

    • @bassw1758
      @bassw1758 7 месяцев назад

      Those are all 8mm, to replace with sealed bearings is about $25

  • @guambra2001
    @guambra2001 Год назад +2

    Mine measured 135mm in the back. I also built a wheel with a 135mm cassette and it works just fine.

    • @KevCentral
      @KevCentral  Год назад +2

      Thanks for sharing. This one is 142, so maybe they updated

    • @guambra2001
      @guambra2001 Год назад +1

      @@KevCentral that’s awesome news, I like the 141QR because you can easily fit a 148 with different end caps.
      I have mine almost completely set up with an air fork (140mm travel), hydrolic brakes, cassette with acolite group set and better tires. Just waiting on a rear shock bushings to install a different shock.

  • @Bengy22
    @Bengy22 Год назад +2

    Thanks for putting my question in the video even if you didn't have an answer! The reason I asked is because the "250w" is just the rating of the motor, most if not all "250w" emtb's peak a lot higher than this wattage and it makes comparing motor powers hard when you can't find any real data online. For example the bosch performance gen 4 cx is a "250w" motor but the peak wattage has been seen over 800w+ and that motor keeps up with a different manufacture's (bafang m600) motor which has a 18 amp controller or around 1000w on a full charge. Most of these big motor companies don't list the real spec's and don't let users change them, bafang the manufacture of the motor I compared it too does though so that's how I know for sure.

  • @samcaws7920
    @samcaws7920 Год назад +2

    I had a bike with a 44/44 headset and I fitted a tapered fork with no problem. Admittedly it’s not really in keeping with the KC budget ethos, but check out a Hope H-EC44/40 lower cup. 👍

    • @KevCentral
      @KevCentral  Год назад +2

      That’s an external cup to accommodate the taper, but thanks for sharing. I’ve never understood why the external adapter cups are double the price 🤷🏻

  • @aaronbehindbars
    @aaronbehindbars Год назад +3

    I assume that fork is mislabeled as it's definitely non-boost with the 15x100 axle. That's actually a good thing because you'd have trouble finding a non-taper boost fork. There are a few more straight steerer non-boost forks out there if you are planning to swap.
    It is slightly strange to see a non-boost fork combined with a boost rear end (even if we are talking about QR Boost141). Polygon does that on some of their bikes, like the Xtrada 7 I had a while back.
    My opinion is they should have built a slightly up spec'd hardtail with this mid-drive setup. I can't fathom spending that much money on a bike with plastic bushing pivots. For the same $1500, I'd rather see a hardtail with the same Microshift 1x9 as the Kent Truvaille. Kent would have a real winner if they built that.

    • @KevCentral
      @KevCentral  Год назад +3

      Note: the bushings are metal. Only at the rear are there nylon washers surrounding a metal bushing.

    • @aaronbehindbars
      @aaronbehindbars Год назад

      @@KevCentral I'd still rather see bearings on any suspension framr, particularly one with the extra weight and power being sent through that rear end (I suspect they "uprated the bishings to metal for this reason, but still not good enough imo). I'd think a $1500 hardtail emtb with Advent 1x9 would make a pretty decent ride.

  • @simrigpc27b12
    @simrigpc27b12 Год назад

    Awesome to hear Kev and thanks for answering! Also yes do more live shows 👍

  • @RalphMoon
    @RalphMoon 11 месяцев назад +2

    Put a tapered 160 fork (risk adapter) now hta 63 degrees...

  • @michaelsprinzeles4022
    @michaelsprinzeles4022 Год назад +1

    Another great vid!
    I think you're right about the torque spec being for a lock ring. My Bafang motors have a lock ring there, also labeled for the torque of the lock ring.
    If the battery is 36 volts you can figure out the amps used by the controller using the peak motor output. Amps X Volts = Watts. Assuming that the motor is actually 250 Watts (probably peaks higher) and the battery has 36 Volts (it's actually around 39 fully charged) it's using around 7 Amps. I'd bet that it's got a 10 amp controller and on a fully charged battery the power will peak (momentarilay) to around 390 Watts.

  • @paulmofyourhand
    @paulmofyourhand Год назад +1

    141mm qr rear hubs usually means it’s a “boost quick release” size. 141qr is to 148ta as 135qr is to 142ta

  • @davidcrowson4745
    @davidcrowson4745 Год назад +1

    Have you decided what wheel set your going to use..."bucklos"?? I'm thinking about buying a set for my bike. What do you think about them. Anyway look forward to seeing the upgrades you have in mind.

  • @tzlrc0
    @tzlrc0 Год назад

    142 rear and 100mm front is not boost spacing. 148x12 and 15 or 20 x 110 is boost spacing. You can add a tapered fork to that frame with a EC 44/40 lower headset.

  • @t_c5266
    @t_c5266 Год назад +3

    I wanted to do a quick comparison versus Giant's cheapest E-bike. The hyper comes in at $1500, and the Giant Stance E+ 2 comes in at $4,400 (on sale for $3800).
    motor torque:
    giant - 70Nm
    hyper - 110Nm
    Battery:
    giant - 500Wh
    hyper - 380Wh
    Frame:
    giant - aluminum
    hyper - aluminum
    Suspension:
    giant - 130mm front suntour, & suntour rear
    hyper - 100mm front suntour, & exa form rear
    Gears:
    giant - shimano 10 speed
    hyper - shimano 7 speed
    brakes:
    giant - 203mm hydraulic disc
    hyper - 160mm mechanical disk
    tires:
    giant - maxxis
    hyper - no name
    If you did the same upgrade package as the aluminum comp and swapped out the tires its looking like:
    tires - $120 - 2x maxxis rekons $120
    shifter - $95 - 1x10 advent X shifter & derailleur
    rear cassette - $63 - microshift 11-48T
    Chain - $25 - shimano tiagra
    Brakes - $70 - Shimano MT200
    Rear wheel w/ cassette - $100
    total parts = $473
    total bike that is just about on par = $1973
    If you want a basic suspension package you really only need to swap out the front
    Front forks - $300 - rockshox recon
    Total bike with better front suspension = $2273
    Then if you want to really go performance:
    Front Forks - $520 - Marzocchi bomber z2
    rear shock - $309 - Bomber CR
    Total bike with insanely better suspension - $2802
    + or - a hundred bucks based on other accessories, but for the price, this bike with upgrades blows the next best thing out of the water

    • @KillerRaptorr
      @KillerRaptorr Год назад +2

      Probably everyone has on this. Is Most would go Giant because of 1 reason. It's not a Walmart bike. Everyone is scared to high beans that a walmart bike will never perform as good as a branded bike. They take a single look at this compared to others and barf because the size of the bike itself make it seem weak.
      The thinner frame style and smaller size bike compared to other brands that make them look SUPER buffed and strong. Is what turns people away. Though a funny fact that those people don't understand.........Is This bike is STRONGER in terms of durability and strength then those branded bikes are. Even though it's smaller and looks thin. The tube gauge inside the frame IS THICKER. That heaviness to the bike makes it much more durability due to the thicker frame gauge. Compared to the branded bikes. The only reason they LOOK buff is because they widen the frame to make the frame metal THINNER gauged. To give it stiffness and lightness. But in terms of overall durability and strength. A good whack to the frame will destroy those bikes in a instant. But a good smack on these frames. (For instance a bat.) This will only suffer a bend. Compared to a brand bike that'll likely bend MUCH easier and likely show a crack or so.
      I mean both have their pros and cons. But that's the biggest factor people stay clear that they don't understand. Both bikes are MADE exactly the same metal alloy's now. Compared to the Steel version bikes that made with high carbon steel vs Omi Steel, That made a light and day difference between both them. Now adays Both bikes are made the exact same alloy's and strengths. Thicker gauge metal alum makes a HUGE difference then thinning out alum metal to make lightness. A thick alum will withstand much more abuse then a thinner version will. And this IE the Hyper will perform way better. Even if it's Heavier. That heaviness is the whole factor that makes the bike really strong.

  • @joshuabuilds3051
    @joshuabuilds3051 Год назад

    I'm sure the pauses in your speech have already been addressed as a love it or hate it kind of deal, but I am definitely in. The hate it camp.

  • @clarenceniles1934
    @clarenceniles1934 Год назад +2

    Has anyone here seen a emtb called Hurley Riptide ? $2000 mid drive. Looks sort of promising for taller riders.

  • @durtyt4770
    @durtyt4770 Год назад

    15mph in the woods is going pretty at a pretty good pace with good tires. Anything faster than that and you're in catastrophic injury territory.

  • @jamesweldon8118
    @jamesweldon8118 Год назад +1

    Kev is always the 🐐

  • @plokmko0
    @plokmko0 Год назад +4

    35mm air fork upgrade with taper headtube bearing cup kit STAT !!!

    • @KevCentral
      @KevCentral  Год назад +2

      I’m not to keen on external taper headsets, but a good air fork would definitely be a good addition

    • @theshonen8899
      @theshonen8899 Год назад +1

      @@KevCentral I use one on my Hyper Carbon X. Nothing wrong with it other than adding 10mm to your axle-to-crown + slackening head angle by 0.5 degrees.

    • @Max-ek6nn
      @Max-ek6nn Год назад +2

      @@KevCentral I don’t understand the worry about them, a lot of higher end steel hardtails use EC44 headset cups from the OEM

    • @theshonen8899
      @theshonen8899 Год назад +2

      @@Max-ek6nn Additionally I have a Santa Cruz Bronson that uses an EC56/40. Plenty of bikes use external headset cups.

  • @trekkeruss
    @trekkeruss Год назад +4

    When I saw your original video, I thought to myself, what a huge misstep it was to not spec a tapered headtube. What were they thinking?!

    • @KevCentral
      @KevCentral  Год назад +1

      Not a deal killer, but a curious choice to not taper the headtube since some other hyper bikes have them

    • @guambra2001
      @guambra2001 Год назад +1

      There’s an adapter you can use to have a tapered fork

    • @simrigpc27b12
      @simrigpc27b12 Год назад

      @@guambra2001 Yes absolutely! Wolf tooth makes a pretty decent 44 to 56 cup 👍

    • @nommchompsky
      @nommchompsky Год назад +1

      Yeah, a tapered head tube and thru axle rear dropouts and you've checked every box. So close!

    • @destinhook3826
      @destinhook3826 Год назад

      @@nommchompsky yup, qr dropouts are a deal killer

  • @josephawatson
    @josephawatson Год назад +1

    boost spacing in the front is 110 that has to be a mistake on the fork sticker.

  • @nhaven5555
    @nhaven5555 Год назад +2

    What is the minimum seat height? What is the standover height? Thanks!

  • @guambra2001
    @guambra2001 Год назад +1

    Yeah boost refers to 110 but maybe SR Suntour made it “boost” by not having the forks be QR and instead through axle.

    • @ikel018
      @ikel018 11 месяцев назад

      Really looking at getting this bike but trying to consider what will stop this from being totally useless bike in 5 years of normal use?
      No guarantees a replacement motor and batteries will be around in that time.
      For instance the budget XR Pro has been around for 10 years and is still a good entry level mtb. Hoping to generate conversation and at the same time get opinions of the actual owners of the mid drive E-Ride.

  • @luigiprovencher
    @luigiprovencher Год назад +2

    Is this the cheapest or most economical mid drive on the market?

  • @schrodingerthecat
    @schrodingerthecat Год назад +1

    40nm is definitely the torque rating required to tighten the lock ring.

  • @Gerttie82
    @Gerttie82 Год назад +1

    You should try out a btwin bike I never heard of the company before but it seems like that have some pretty good bikes for about 300 dollars. And for that you get a one by drive train a fork with lockout and disk brakes. And the bike looks pretty nice.

    • @KevCentral
      @KevCentral  Год назад +1

      They have been around for a while. I’ve had my eye on them

  • @Wile-E-Coyote_Super_Genius
    @Wile-E-Coyote_Super_Genius Год назад

    Nice work Kev.

  • @brucebates931
    @brucebates931 9 месяцев назад

    Did you replace the rear hub with freehub, wondering if you think 141 QR or 135?
    Seems like frame is 141 with wheel off but the existing wheel is 135 freewheel and bolt on squeezes the dropouts together to 135

  • @TuckerC1
    @TuckerC1 Год назад +1

    first, and i love the videos 🤘

  • @jacklo325
    @jacklo325 Год назад +1

    You may have mentioned this already, and I might have missed. Is the front chainring replaceable? Also, it seems like you have connections with Hyper. Any word on their upcoming bikes? Especially the carbon x replacement?

    • @KevCentral
      @KevCentral  Год назад

      Chainring is replaceable. As far as new bikes, don’t expect much from any mfg for 2023. Bike industry is in a tight spot right now, and most new bikes have been pushed to 2024. That said, a few bikes will trickle out. Hyper will, I’m sure, keep that (if they have any) close to the vest until they release anything. Carbon X replacement? Carbon X 29er is still available. Do you know something I don’t? 😎

    • @jacklo325
      @jacklo325 Год назад

      @@KevCentral thanks for the inside track!!

  • @NonLegitNation2
    @NonLegitNation2 Год назад +1

    am I crazy or does this bike NOT have a narrow wide chainring? Maybe a future upgrade, since I know you dropped the chain once. You'd think they would include a narrow wide chainring to go along with the chain guide.

    • @KevCentral
      @KevCentral  Год назад

      Chain guide somewhat negates the need since it’s only a 7-speed

    • @geemy9675
      @geemy9675 7 месяцев назад +1

      @@KevCentral narrow wide is better than chain guide. it keeps the chain naturally secure over bumps, removes more mud from the chain if you ride in mud. even if you have a chain guide the narrow wide chainring will prevent almost all of the rubbing of the chain against the guide

    • @markkoehn6832
      @markkoehn6832 Месяц назад

      @@geemy9675 I was getting some chain drops with this bike, switched to a narrow wide chain ring and it absolutely cured the issue. The chain guide position can be improved with some bench grinder machining also.

  • @cartmanrlsusall
    @cartmanrlsusall Год назад +1

    I wonder if a bafang mid drive would fit that bottom bracket

    • @KillerRaptorr
      @KillerRaptorr Год назад

      For the mid-drive version? No. But the 29/26er likely. I been focus on trying to go that route with my 26inch version. It's already turned into the best monster. I'm the only one that upgraded this hyper bike to a insane amount.

  • @hamldna
    @hamldna 9 месяцев назад

    Is there an aftermarket battery out to get further miles out of the bike. I'm 36 miles from work but have a compact bike trail that goes from my house in Kenosha Wisconsin to the Navy base in Great Lakes Illinois.

  • @musicamaiz
    @musicamaiz Год назад +1

    Seat tube angle?

  • @bassw1758
    @bassw1758 Год назад

    What kind of wattage does that motor put out? I think most of these 250w mid drives usually max a little over 550w. Curious if it has enough power to get the job done.

  • @digitalman269
    @digitalman269 Год назад +2

    10/14/2023 - This is now priced at $1,098.00.

    • @goheels4life635
      @goheels4life635 8 месяцев назад +1

      It's now $699

    • @allblackls
      @allblackls 8 месяцев назад

      Yup 699 just ordered one ​@@goheels4life635

  • @robert2steven
    @robert2steven Год назад

    What is the stand-over height from the top of the junction of the seat and horizontal tubes to the ground?
    Is there proper clearance to run an 8 speed 11-34 freewheel without changing side spacers?
    Has anyone had success with going tubeless with these wheels and tires?
    Is the chainring a narrow wide?
    How low can you set the air pressure on the rear shock to be soft for a light rider? Since the travel ratio is minimal, it would seem the rear would always be stiff, even at the lowest air pressure setting.
    Does the Vinka Life app work with the Hyper bike?
    BTW, Oil impregnated bushings can take more load than a roller or needle bearing when rotational needs are minimal, so going with this for the rear pivot points is not necessarily a disadvantage.

    • @pixelatedmushroom
      @pixelatedmushroom Год назад

      I can vouch that the Vinka on this bike does not support the Vinka Life app.

    • @robert2steven
      @robert2steven Год назад

      If you still have the bike, can you please answer the prior questions@@pixelatedmushroom

  • @dogit1840
    @dogit1840 Год назад +1

    If the bike runs at 20 mph and the furthest distance you can get is 10 miles then the battery only lasts a half an hour

    • @bensonr2
      @bensonr2 Год назад +4

      He was doing 10 miles of trail riding. So he is saying it took him long then an hour to do 10 miles. If you can do 20 miles an hour in the woods consistently then you have bigger balls then me.

  • @Dawg4197
    @Dawg4197 Год назад

    Is there any motor latency? (Delay starting to pedal or after pedaling stops)

  • @01FozzyS
    @01FozzyS Год назад +1

    Any mods planned for it,Kev?

    • @KevCentral
      @KevCentral  Год назад +2

      Yep

    • @ElevatedD
      @ElevatedD Год назад

      ​@@KevCentrallooking forward to that video and 3 month review video

  • @reuveng1960
    @reuveng1960 Год назад

    Can I install a tapered front fork like RockShox Recon Silver RL Suspension Fork - 29", 130 mm, 15 x 100 mm, 51 mm Offset?

  • @chrisc6930
    @chrisc6930 Год назад

    An external headset makes it tapered , that’s what I used.

  • @geemy9675
    @geemy9675 7 месяцев назад

    40Nm is the torque to bolt the crank arm

  • @DD-xx8wh
    @DD-xx8wh Год назад

    just wondering what's the largest tire size that'll fit?

    • @KillerRaptorr
      @KillerRaptorr Год назад +1

      The Mid-drive and 29er are spec'd at 29inch wheels. This is the largest normal Bicycles go for now. So you likely won't be able to go larger. Unless you mean in Width size like say a 2.5. That i don't know for the mid/29er. But the 26version i have only can accept 2.2 maybe at most. The rear frame size is very narrow.

    • @DD-xx8wh
      @DD-xx8wh Год назад

      @@KillerRaptorr yes hoping to fit wider thanks for the info

  • @TheCaptainsCog
    @TheCaptainsCog Год назад +1

    Nice! I made it into a KevCentral video. I feel like I'm famous.

  • @jamesweldon8118
    @jamesweldon8118 Год назад

    They must have sent you the original "rough draft" design file, but I'm guessing they had to make wheel upgrades for strength down the line and never updated the drawing, hence the boost spacing

  • @sheldonh200981
    @sheldonh200981 Год назад

    That's weird that that's 15×100. If it's real boost it should be 15×110mm so idk if that's just a sticker because it's a thru axle?? It's not a real boost in my opinion idk why they would put that on there.

  • @theshonen8899
    @theshonen8899 Год назад +1

    40 N/m is for tightening the crankset, nothing to do with the motor.

    • @KevCentral
      @KevCentral  Год назад

      I believe it’s actually the chainring mount retainer

  • @HUKIT.
    @HUKIT. Год назад +7

    That little tiny 32mm stanchion fork on that thing.

  • @ucdis
    @ucdis Год назад

    EC44 can run tapered. EC42 cannot

  • @MrOscillot
    @MrOscillot Год назад

    Did Hyper provide you with this bike to review? If so, you should disclose the paid product placement.

  • @timr31908
    @timr31908 7 месяцев назад +2

    Mid motor drive is just a barbecue rotisserie motor.... It's not rocket science

  • @Dstylz
    @Dstylz Год назад

    How does it ride without power?

    • @markkoehn6832
      @markkoehn6832 Месяц назад

      It rides very nice with no motor assist, no drag, do not even notice the extra e-bike weight

  • @janbonne
    @janbonne Год назад

    I really hope these motors can last… I have been seeing some discouraging videos from other user reviews …

    • @ElevatedD
      @ElevatedD Год назад +1

      O do you have a link to the discouraging videos?

  • @vmoutsop
    @vmoutsop Год назад +1

    You know that fork is
    Not boost. Stop being nice to Walmart about it. Just call it out.

    • @KevCentral
      @KevCentral  Год назад +1

      That wouldn’t be on Walmart; that would be on Hyper. I’ve seen bike standards be somewhat pliable in the past, so I took a cautious approach since I didn’t know if there was some use of 15x100 noted as Boost somewhere I wasn’t aware.

    • @vmoutsop
      @vmoutsop Год назад

      @@KevCentral Sorry, I meant Hyper