Thrawn A Huge Disappointment
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2023
- Disney Star Wars can't write good villains!
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After waiting years to see a live-action Grand Admiral Thrawn he turns out to be a bumbling idiot. Yes, Dave Feloni under the guidance of the wonderful Kathleen Kennedy has delivered another joke Star Wars villain in the incredible Ahsoka show. The good part is he provides plenty of laughs.
Let's dissect the brilliant mind of Thrawn! 
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They couldn't even make Sabine intimidated by him to make thrawn more intimidating.... No, she has to be a badass in front him... Makes the fear of thrawn by everyone else just a joke... Imagine a girl doing that with Hitler...
I just don't care.
Dave filoni. No I can’t make my own shit because I’m not allowed to and I don’t have real creativity so I have to rip off of existing characters from actually talented people because I the cowboy acts like a stupid kid in school fucking with other kids
@@johnnycrown5097well she kinda has priorities and has seen him before
@@Warstub I agree, Star Wars is dead, R.I.P
I like how Ezra says, "I don't need a weapon, the Force is my ally," and then 2 seconds later, he picks up a blaster and starts shooting people.
So uncivilized...
it sounded so cool when the leaks were the only thing out. force karate. what wasted potential
@@StrykeSZNforce karate is stupid what r u on nga
I know 😂
Sounds cool and good call back and moment of character development to be completely undone.
Sabine is like all the drunk young women caught on police body cam in traffic stops. They spout off nonsense and insults until they get arrested and start screaming obscenities.
Hahaha
A perfect description
😂
Extremely true. Very very entitled.
It’s just the typical and tired trope of the 2016 feminist . Funny because even this trope is now outdated
No you don’t get it. Thrawn is always one step ahead, because he said so. That’s brilliant writing.
Exactly my thoughts. Disney likes to tell instead of show.
He's very avant-garde - he is keenly aware that his plot armor is still in effect until the film, and thus can do whatever he wants because the story bends to his will.
@@crazyrabbits Just like our Ahsoka.
If you read books than you would not have a problem with it .. if you expect mastermind story than you and others like you better not watch it anymore cuz your not gonna like it at all .)
Ngl i feel like he is trying his hardest to hate on thrawn. He started talking about how it didnt make sense to put mines in space since you can go around them but he forgot that in the phantom menace there were only a few ships covering a part of the planet. Its like he is ignoring lore which is commonly known like that there is hyper space lanes but no he forgets all that since its disney. Also i feel like his argument saying that the stormtroopers armor shouldnt so destroyed i feel like whatever disney did here they would get hate. Some fans may have wanted it to be broken and some not. Also he said that ezra is dumb for refusing the light saber and its annoying since it is meant to show how connected he is with the force.
I think Thrawn claiming his abject failure as a victory is a perfect microcosm of the Star Wars right now.
Those weren't 'failures'
If he wanted to he could have pissed off at the start of the last episode and left the Short Bus Rejects stranded.
He was just burning up time until the writers could get to the next 'cool' action scene
How did he fail??
His main objective was to leave his exile. He did just that.
@kravan5063 he left the heroes alive, dumb ass
When the people who try to stop you are JEDI the last thing one should do is underestimate them by thinking they'll just piss off and die because you left them stranded in another galaxy
@@kravan5063 because the heroes then had to be stupid themselves 😂
@@harrambou9468 I mean I guess but that's separate from Thrawn failing his objective which is what the OP stated
Thrawn should've been like Patton or Rommel. Turns out, he's more like Holdo. Hell, even Zapp Brannigan is smarter than this.
Zapp actually won at least one battle.
"Author Timothy Zahn has stated that Thrawn's character is a composite of various historical and fictional personalities, including Erwin Rommel, Robert E. Lee, Hannibal Barca, Alexander the Great and Sherlock Holmes, to name a few."
@@benjamintherogue2421 By sending wave after wave of his own men at the killbots? A trifle!
In the game of chess, you can never let your adversary see your peices
Once we don't kill those random characters from a cartoon, the Rebellion's entire house of cards will collapse like dominoes. Checkmate!
Thrawn’s menacing aspect (in the books) was not that he “controlled for all variables” it was that he predicted your moves based on his knowledge of you personally, and your species generally.
And that he was able to read most people with ease based on their civilization and ideology
@@lordchrispo1439He was not only a historian and tactician but also very capable of adapting to fit any change in his plan.
Admiting that different races think and act predictably different from each other? Ya Disney isn't going to do that.
@@lordchrispo1439Actually he did it by studying the culture's artwork. I remember because I thought that was a weird way to learn tactics to use against an enemy.
This feels like of Filoni reading the synopsis of Thrawn then throwing the rest out. And really bad writing.
It’s crazy how Sabine gambled the fate of the galaxy when she didn’t even seem excited when she meets Ezra
That is a legitimate criticism, unlike a lot of the things ive heard in this video
Yup can’t have a woman fall in love with a man anymore. That’s patriarchy! But then why betray the entire galaxy for a dude that you just instantly friend zone? Lmao Disney is so dumb now!
fr bro i was expecting a LOT more like yknow interaction instead a hug bro
I mean I am not sure if it is the actress or just direction.
@@ggt47 it was probably a combo of both tbh
All Ezra needs is the force ...... and a blaster for when the force isn't working. Love it!
I am one with the force and the force is with me
first he buys twitter then he thinks he can command the Imperial Remnant Fleet!
Oh no... That's it! That explains the casting. That explains the way he is written. I can't unsee it now. The age of Trump-villains is over. Prepare for a flood of Musk-villains.
At least they kept him true to character 😂
_’oh we were expecting starship to destroy the launchpad and blow up midflight’_
Not to mention he invented the Tesla car
@@Captain_GriffMore like bought himself a seat on the Tesla board
>Decanonize entire expanded universe
>Sell individual characters from said expanded universe back to fans years later
More like Chinese knock-offs/bootlegs of EU characters.
In rebels Thrawn was so much better. Instead of being tricked by the rebels with a star chart that they altered, Thrawn not only realized the deception but also found the rebel base even faster by mapping the transmissions that the rebels used during the mission to deceive him.
Though I think some people say that near the end, Disney kinda nerfed Thrawn to the point of being abducted by the pergils and exiled to another galaxy.
@@KuDastardlyThe defeat honestly made sense.
@@KuDastardlynot really a nerf when space magic causes your downfall
I don’t know how you plan and prep for space whales that can tear apart a Star Destroyer appear out of nowhere and between the time in takes you to be informed there already attacking and tearing your ship apart
It feels like Filoni just stole credit for Rebels and some other writer actually took the time to make Thrawn look somewhat intelligent in that show!
This is only the beginning. I'm sure we'll get to see a lot more of Thrawn's genious in the end. He won. He managed to escape the Galaxy he was exiled in and trap 2 Jedi that were chasing him.
Either Thrawn had a limited supply of space mines that Ahsoka decided to fly straight into, or Thrawn had an unlimited supply of space mines that could cover the entire planet... But what if Ahsoka didn't show up? Wouldn't Thrawn have to fly into his own mines and blow himself up when he tries to leave? 🤔
"we have limited ressources" also "lets make a minefield around a whole planet"
Shhhh... stop it... youre not supposed to think! Just consume product and get excited for next product.
Tbf, you don´t need to cover a whole planet, only a small area as hyperspace lanes only come in from one certain angle. Where he got the mines from? No bloody idea. Maybe they weren´t even his and Elsbeth or whatever she´s called brought them with her
imagine after all those years someone managed to get to him to save him.only exiting hyperspace to be blown to pieces
@@jamie_michelson hm, but it looked that way in the show though.
Those Whales with their hyperdrives in their asses really stay on their established hyperspace lanes, dont they?
"Permission for hyperspace landing zone granted", says Thrawn in his best hyperspace whale voice via hyper space whale radio, while confidently chuckling...
(c) Dave Filoni
They were so lucky that they hadnt used their standard star destroyer contingent of orbit mines yet in the last ten years...
Filoni said he didn’t want to change Thrawn, ok that makes sense.
So why the F did he change him into an idiot?
man = stupid
man = bad
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he didn't change thrawn, he just confused book thrawn with rebels thrawn. what a sad state star wars is in now
Even Rebels Thrawn was better than this.
because Feloni is talentless and/or spineless.
@@Warstub that should mean something
Something that I truly despise about Disney Star Wars is that whomever they get to write and direct has no idea about how a fight works, let alone a war. People not shooting, people very obviously choreographing their strikes to they can be dodged easily, people standing there doing nothing, people forgetting they have the force, people forgetting they have lightsabers, people forgetting how lethal a lightsaber is, etc etc.
It is 100% 'this scene will look cool' instead of 'this scene will make sense.' But if you think for a moment, you know it sucks, even some of the shills show that reaction occasionally.
Bro hasn’t watched andor 😮
The failure of Andor is that they made too much dumb crap before it. Now no one bothers with it. They can't imagine Star Wars taken seriously.@@lilbubblegumleaks8104
Correct and they don't even look cool, they look stupid as hell to any sentient person
Yep
@@lilbubblegumleaks8104 Andor is the obvious exception. Every other SW show Disney has made has had mediocre to terrible writing, and sometimes downright embarrassing.
I still can't wrap my head around the concept of throwing out all of the Heir to the Empire books out of the canon and then bringing the central villain of said books back into canon instead of coming up with a new foe.
Especially since they created a new galaxy where they could actually use him in his original brilliance and it wouldn’t affect the current movie galaxy, although it would be nice if it could somehow change episodes 7,8,9 I wouldn’t complain.
He was already canon since rebels
When disney acquired star wars. They threw everything in the extended universe and called it legends.
It's simple - they are out of ideas so they pick stuff out of the EU that they threw away to get people excited and then are incompetent to tell the actual story. Screwing up the good stuff in the process.
Because Filoni is a hack! He wants the reputation of Thrawn without putting in the work to write Thrawn accurately as a truly Omega level threat. Ahsoka version of Thrawn is about as threatening as a Scooby Doo villain! “And I would have gotten away with it too if it weren’t for those meddling kids!”
I just love the fact that Sabine's jedi powers are so good that she can use her beskar armour to deflect all incoming blaster fire from any direction. It only covers about 20% of her body, but even direct shots to her head from behind she still manages to block.
I have been impressed that the Storm Troopers are actually hitting anything! They're notoriously bad shots.
Didn't Mando do the EXACTLY SAME without any whinning from you?
@@tufab3494yeah for me it is one thing the mandos learn in mando camp
She doesn't have developed Jedi powers yet, so I literally have no idea what you're talking about.
@@tufab3494 Well Mando's enemies were notoriously BAD shots, like no enemy can aim in Star Wars at this point. No one even bothers to aim for weak points in armor and are either blind or ridiculously bad at using guns.
Thrawn was my favourite character in the Star Wars comics I used to read. His cold, calculating fearlessness was respected by even The Emperor.
It’s sad when defining character traits are broomed out the door.
Are you all bots? It is the perfect version of thrawn
@@borris3768 80 likes vs 1 comment with 1 like...
hmmmm... I think the odds of there being 80 bots to 1 human is far less likely than there being 1 bot and 80 humans, if you ask me🤷♂️
eh... what do I know, I'm just a bot🗿
Too true
@@revenantronin8377You're exactly right
@@revenantronin8377😂
He had 10 years to load up his star destroyer, but waits until rescue day to get it done. Lol great writing.
He's a mater tactician, dontchaknow
I think he was transfering the goods onto the hyper beam ship because his own ship cant leave?
@@martialis2974 I mean technically he’s moving the goods onto his ship, to then fly his ship into space to connect to the hyperspace ring, but he still waited 10 years to move goods onto a functional star destroyer
@@Ethereal-Ghost- if this is the case, then this series makes me even mader.
Like thats the way i explained it to myself to make somehow sense.
Otherwise his „success“ was just a big ass lose because he couldve succeeded 10 years ago….
@@martialis2974 he absolutely should have succeeded 10 years ago, for the engines to maintain enough power to not only keep the destroyer airborne but to also move the destroyer, that means that repairs had been done on the inside, the engines functioning also means the hyperdrive should have been working, or at least in the 10 years he’s been stuck the repairs should have been done, he has the manpower to repair his destroyer
But another issue, in that 10 years he somehow never found Ezra, but sent sabine to find him…WITH A LIGHTSABER. He knew she would find Ezra but somehow in 10 years troopers just went missing where Ezra was and Thrawn just ignored it? Makes zero sense either way you look at it, the whole series is just one big mess with fan service thrown in to cover up bad writing 😂
The problem is Filoni writes Thrawn the same way he wrote Admiral Konstantine- all his plans are dumb and let the heroes escape and run circles around him. He just colors it up with desperate spins “Oh all my troops died but I learned something so I win!”
I can’t believe people are eating this shit up. Keeping the heroes alive because the story needed it got no dumber than them having orders to kill but don’t because Ezra says “Wait!” 🤦🏾♂️
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I knew the moment Disney took over Star Wars it was going to be lifeless rubbish. I didn't think it was going to be this bad.
you must be British lmao rubbish 😂
It's honestly not that bad but does feel a little still. Mandalorian season 1&2 was amazing with Goku. Obi Wan was not bad. Andor was a slow burn but still fun. I'm probably one of the few who liked Boba Fett. Ahsoka is the weakest of the bunch but features girl boss for fans of strong female characters.
@@jonfreeman9682
No.
I thought it would be bad (I'm not a marvel fan at all), but conventionally bad, like they hire a somewhat decent writer and or director, and they fail here and there. But Disney is unconventionally bad in that, they utilize research groups and committees to influence scripts (Chewy randomly gets a medal, fresh off of a reddit petition). So you're not even seeing conventional writing in that a film is the artistic expression of an individual. You're literally seeing popular opinion congealed into live action. Imagine watching a football game where the crowd calls the plays. A song written by a million fold twitter poll. In...Star Wars, possibly the greatest franchise ever, a franchise that was created by an individual. Disney can't be that dumb they must be hostage of some foreign government.
@@jonfreeman9682 I thought Mando, though better than the sequels, was some of the most pedestrian television I ever saw. I'm not really comparing Mando to the heavy hitters in tv, 1 to 1, because they all encompass different angles into storytelling but, I was never captivated by Mando as I was by GOT, Better Call Saul, Breaking Bad, or even Star Trek TNG. I think it shines when you compare it to other disney star wars properties, but is still very underwhelming given the toolbox of ideas that make star wars great. Like imagine if the Better Call Saul writers got their own star wars show, or even Chris Nolan.
Thrawn isn't Thrawn without his storyline set a while after ROTJ, surrounded by the Noghri, Rukh, Admiral Pellaeon and Joruus C'Baoth. Without that he's not who he is. You can't pick him up and just use him in random stories that aren't his story.
Ever watched Rebel or read Cannon Thrawn?
@@StarWarsExpert_I watched Rebels and it was aweful
the smartest thing he could have done was see ahsoka and them meet up, then hit them with a cruise missile... bang...
Here's how Thrawn should have attacked Ezra and Sabine;
Step 1: Call in a tie fighter wing to the stopped convoy to destroy any cover and vaporize everyone.
Step 2: Any survivors are quickly moped up by storm troopers covered by their gunships.
It's that easy. And not exactly an advanced or ground breaking military tactic.
The question should then be does he have any ties left
@blakeskipper7038 In this short, you can see several tie fighters in their racks looking clean and ready to go with zero battle damage.
@@shadow9774 but do they have fuel
@blakeskipper7038 They got fuel for the gunships. There's no reason why it matters since tie fighters have solar collection arrays. Ion engines take very little power/fuel to run. Fuel in Star Wars was never addressed or a concern until it is used as a tool to drive the plot anyway.
@@Moltengamer67Thrawn is a smart man, allegedly, and would have kept a reserve of fuel enough to run a combat sortie in response to events such as this.
If he expended all of the ISDs support craft fuel reserves that only reinforces his characters stupidity.
Thrawn's character design would look absolutely badass with the glowing red eyes draped in shadow, so naturally they put him in a well lit room for most of the runtime. The directing is almost as bad as the writing.
damn, that WOULD look awesome - im kinda seeing what ur saying - very menancing without a single word being needed
That would be epic. The first entrance where he walks and then he enters a shadow to speak. This would be a very cool
Yes kind of like the CGI Moff Tarkin, they should have shot that with more shadows, or maybe just have his face reflected in the glass. Instead they just have him standing in the middle of the shot in full light. The new people don't understand ANYTHING: characters, dialog, even staging and cinematography.
One of the critical components of a good villain is that the heroes are afraid of him. Thrawn in the books was a nightmare to the heroes. He had planned for years, methodically and brilliantly activated his plans, and took apart the heroes bit by bit. This show contantly has the heroes shrugging at the villains. How can the audience feel any fear for the heroes when the villains are unable to hurt them? Utter tripe.
Its not even that Bad ass Heros are a bad trope, its the Lack of danger. In Terminator the ultra strong hero wasnt afraid either, but he got his ass handed to him, so the audience was still introduced to the stakes. And that last line is what Disney fails at
this show is just thrawn saying evil stuff like an evil villian to the heroes as if the audience is a bunch of kids that cant tell them apart, man it just sucks
Not just having heroes afraid of Thrawn, but having the audience rooting for him. I bet many wanted Thrawn to find his way back to the galaxy. It'd been a waste if he just died right then and there on Peridia via plot armor.
Well Ezra has been killing off his storm troopers so eventually he stopped sending them and Ezra says in the show he had to stay away from that tower, so Ezra shrugging him off makes sense because what else can thrawn do to him? Also thrawn is clearly more preoccupied with leaving peridea than hunting down Ezra. Sabine shrugging him off, I’ll admit that doesn’t make much sense because he could’ve killed her on the spot, but also she clearly only cares about finding Ezra, not thrawn. Ashoka has never met thrawn, why would she be deathly afraid of him? Hera does express fear that thrawn will return, so I don’t understand your comment
@@LegoJango586 It's true Thrawn could've easily killed Sabine right then and there... Were it not for the fact that they were made aware of Ahsoka enroute to Peridea.
Its weird, you kept mentioning that thrawn couldnt find Ezra in 10 years, but you also pointed out Ezra has a bunch of storm trooper dog tags. So, did he just find those on the ground or did thrawn find him what looks like numerous times but Ezra just kept winning. Just a thought.
You don't expect these idiots to keep track of the vomit they spew do you
They don't look like dog tags to me.
I think they might have been dogtags from Stormtroopers he killed while trying to get off the Chimera after arriving on Peridia.
Also, Erza mentioned he avoided the area around that Witch's tower (?) and was always on the move. So probabbly when resources became scarce Thrawn would stop hunting him and focus on defense.
Why send troopers when you can bombard the entire turtle village lol
Never seen the cartoon but people really built up this guy as some kind of master tactician.
Here, he reminds me more of Zapp Brannigan from Futurama.
"So I sent wave after wave of my own men to die!"
Come to think of it, they look similarly out of shape, too.
I never bothered to watch the cartoons, but the Timothy Zahn trilogy featuring Thrawn is downright amazing. It's real shame people like KK and Wannabe Cowboy Lucas are so insecure they declared it all 'non-canon' because they knew they could never make anything even close to as good.
@@TK-nn8jdyeah they had it on a plate. Huge over confidence (or likely they didn’t bother to read it) to think they could do better than that OR what Lucas had planned. Its so sad.
Now thats a battleplan with some chest hair on it !
He was pretty bad in the cartoon too. It was the original book series that created his reputation.
@@samurguy9906 That's what I was afraid of. Not that I was planning on watching it anyway.
Oh how I HATE Disney and Kathleen Kennedy right now.
EDIT: ... I see a lot of people shre my sentiments... Good to see.
look on the bright side, their creative decisions are accelerating Disneys demise
honestly i hope they keep doing it and i hope they get more woke than ever before, that way the company will be bankrupt
I despise both her and Modern Disney for what they’ve done
They couldn't even make Sabine intimidated by him to make thrawn more intimidating.... No, she has to be a badass in front him... Makes the fear of thrawn by everyone else just a joke... Imagine a girl doing that with Hitler...
Soo, nothing changed since 2017? Fkn last jedi😂😂
Get in line!
Thrawn in the books was like a cooler, better-written version of The Illusive Man in Mass Effect 2 - always making intelligent, often-invisible decisions that paid off strategically. Disney couldn't have pulled that off with all the money in the world.
They forgot Thrawn needed the lessons of Jaws: Never show the shark and let audiences create fear from their own minds. Ignore that Jaws was an accidental discovery uncovered only because the mechatronic monster kept shorting out in the salt water and filming budgets were limited so they had to keep the project moving without the shark.
Except this isn’t true. The thing (1982) is a perfect example of a movie monster being shown time and time and time again, and still being undeniably terrifying. Same with Homelander. The key is to make the appearance of the monster or villain unpredictable and the power dynamic scale so well and truly in the villains favour and finally, to give the villain justification for trying to kill the heroes/protagonists.
But this idea of not seeing makes something scarier is not true, all the time. It works, but it’s just one of many ways to make something scary or intimidating.
@@abford03 You're not wrong that different approaches work for different projects, but the scary part about The Thing wasn't because it showed a weird prosthetic monster wobbling around. The horror in that movie came from thinking the monster could be in the room with the protagonists at any time, which is not dissimilar to how they built tension in Jaws. Once the monster is in the open for any considerable amount of time (see the awful Thing prequel), tension is replaced with excitement, and excitement is not scary for long.
Imagine being in a dark house and thinking someone else is in there with you. You're on edge, straining to hear every noise. The longer that goes on, the more you are going build the scenario in your head, and the scarier it's going to become. Compare that to being chased by a dog. Being chased is scary, sure, in the way that almost falling down the stairs is scary. It's a jolt of adrenaline and self-preservation, but it very quickly gets rationalized because you understand the scenario and you understand the stakes. Replace the dog with a 'monster' and all that really changes is how fast you have to run. The longer that goes on, the less scary it becomes.
Horror comes from a mixture of tension and climax. If you do nothing but build tension, people get overstimulated and lose focus. Like the musical trick they used in Dunkirk to make the audience uncomfortable. People cannot sustain a level of stress like that indefinitely. On the other hand, if you keep throwing monsters and jump scares at people, they're going to get jaded real fast. The trick is mastering that balance of building as much tension as you can without losing the audience, and then hitting them with the good bits. A perfect example is Alien (a horror movie) and Aliens (an action movie). They use an identical monster, but have completely different feels based purely on how they balance these two elements.
Both approaches work in horror, but Thrawn isn’t a silent mega shark or a monster. He doesn’t belong to the horror genre, though he should be intimidating.
He’s a gifted strategist. Read Timothy Zahn’s book-even one-and you’ll appreciate how impressive this character can be when he’s written with the intelligence and complexity he deserves. The delight of a Thrawn book is in anticipating, guessing at, and finally learning his plans as every piece falls perfectly into place-or as he responds to new developments.
It’s not that Disney showed him too much or too little. It’s that they can’t write a good story, let alone a good story with a tactical mastermind at its heart.
Wow the witches from Macbeth, just what Star Wars needed ! The hack writing will never end!
The witches from Macbeth were better, so was their dialogue.
@@patriciafenwick5846 😂😂😂😂😂😂
while I can agree that the writing is not great, there are things like this that people point out that show they do not know star wars as well as they may think. Not trying to be rude, but the night sisters and imperial remnant (something robot head criticized in previous videos) have been in star wars for nearly 30 years now. These are not new concepts by any stretch of the imagination.
@@kerorogunso961 Now please compare the Nightsisters in the EU and what Feloni did with them...should be easy as you know SW all too well, don´t you?
@@2nd_Directorate as I said, I'm just stating that they have existed for a long time. OP acted as if they are a brand new idea feloni came up with 10 minutes before the shoot.
Where did Thrawn get all those mines, you ask? He pulled them out of a plot hole.
The mines were indeed one thing which irked me to an unreasonable extend as they mentioned several times how stripped of ressources they were, but they just deploy a huge mine field out of nothing....
It could’ve been dark magic from the great mothers
@@2nd_DirectorateHow'd they know where to put them?
@@HiddenHandMediathe same way they knew Ashoka tano was arriving? 😊
@@HiddenHandMedia because that’s probably the only way to get to Peridea. You can’t just arrive on any side of the planet through hyperspace.
In heir to the Empire, Thrawn would always acquire something in defeat , in this case, he failed to neutralize Ezra and Ashoka all with a net loss.
Also the force is a variable in heir to the Empire , one which he controls with force canceling creatures called Ysalamari.
Timothy Zahn created those stupid ysalamari because he was too poor a writer to challenge Luke Skywalker without taking away the one thing that makes the jedi so awesome. Simply bloody stupid idea and a book that was little better than fan fiction.
@KeldorDAntrell " the jedi so awesome ".....lol, God forbide the normal guy can't outwit a Jedi.
@@plainbagel9192I think that’s their point, nullifying the force is the laziest way to write someone outwitting a Jedi
Whether he failed or succeeding in killing Ahsoka and Ezra, it didn't matter to Thrawn so long as he was able to keep them busy long enough for him to escape his exile.
@@KuDastardlythank you, thrawn and the nightsisters are clearly scared of this planet as evidence by the fact that all they want to do is get away, thrawn got away at the end, so it is a win in his view.
Wasn't Ezra literally on the bridge of Thrawn's ship when they got yeeted into the next galaxy? How did he escape?? Honestly would've been more interesting if they had Ezra be captured or something and they had to figure out a way to free him once they got there, or at least had him be a bit better at hiding from Thrawn
We don't know if he escaped tbh. It's been 10 years, it's possible they worked together for a while.
if he escaped, then why did he let thrawn roam free?
@@thephoenix4093 the more interesting question is why had thrawn not killed him allready he was his enemy, and on the brifge of the stardestroyer surrounded by stormtroopers. wtf
why thrawn didn`t kill sabine when she was on bord of his stardestroyer, wtf is wrong with villains letting heros life for no reason at all comon that is just stupid thrawn would never ever do that.
the villains in disney star wars are stupid disney villains that make stupid desitions all the time.
Oh, thats easy. He just walked to the door and left, killing every stormtrooper who tried to stop him.
If you were to actually read the Heir to the Empire series and compare it to Ahsoka's portrayal of Thrawn, that'd be pretty entertaining
Idk, then he would have nothing to complain about.
@@matthewmcmillin3070 How to tell everyone you haven´t read the books without telling everyone you haven´t read them....
@@2nd_DirectorateWhen the author himself has gone on to state that he trust filoni as he was happy with what thrawn was like in rebels then I’m fine with that. U mfs keep comparing legends thrawn to canon, it’s fkn retarded.
@@2nd_Directorate lol ikr?
Like the time he uses an insane Jedi clone and a cloaked ship to trick an entire planet into thinking he can shoot straight through a planetary shield!
It's so painful to see what Disney has done to the once great story of Star Wars. They should be ashamed of themselves! 😡
Say the people who get their life's worth out of whining on the internet and smearing other people.
@@ohauss Says the hypocrite who is doing the same exact thing he bitches and moans about.
lmfao "once great story". true star wars fans know the writing has always been terrible.
@@secretagentcat I was going to ask when was it great?
Cry, Ahsoka is awesome and it's nice to see that you guys aren't making part of our commujity anymore. Go watch something else, you're not welcome in SW.
Best Thrawn line so far - "whether the Jedi are killed or stranded is immaterial". after sending and withdrawing troops and tie fighters, and continues to do so. Strategic genius of an incomprehensible level.
They ruined him just like they’ve ruined every other legacy male character. You’re a hack Filoni.
I love how the mines were in neat, perfectly spaced rows and columns. To make sure they are difficult to avoid i presume!!!
They literally tracked ships. Makes no difference.
There were like 1 million mines placed.
Naturally, the Stormtroopers still get the comically inaccurate aim. Makes one wonder how they even managed to kill all the Jawas in A New Hope. But what's worse, three of them fire at Sabines back, while she is basically standing in place. One bolt misses, the other actually hits her hand holding her gun. An unarmored hand I might add. Yet, Sabine doesn't sustain an injury, doesn't stop, finishes her turn and fires back with the gun. That is, after a blaster bolt hit her hand.
In A New Hope a blaster bolt was able to go through a table and fry Greedo instantly. In Disney Star Wars, getting hit by a blaster bolt, that would take out your hand, is super easy, barely an inconvenience. I mean, there is plot armor and then there is this.
The last time any one of them could shoot straight was the day of Order 66! 😄. Of course those were clones so maybe that’s the problem…
Shit, one of the bolts hit Sabine at the base of the back of her neck 🥴🤦♂
only imperial stormtroopers are so precise. ....umm.......huh!????
I blame pop culture.
The civilian has no damn clue how accurate a soldier is in a gun fight, cause you know the self-preservation aspect to not get hit.
In fact soldiers had better accuracy back then with muskets and line formation than they do in modern day with assault rifles and machines guns, and I'm sure many could understand obviously why.
Compare Stormtrooper aim with the modern US army, and actually the Stormtroopers have better aim than US troops.
Because civilians are ignorant and stupid on actual combat, they made Stormtroopers look like a joke in the minds of Pop Culture.
And before anyone brings up Ewoks, your popular phrase of "beaten by teddy bears" is on par with everyone's view on Vietnam (even Lucas used these words) "we were beaten by Rice Farmers."
Which I take umbrage to as it's underestimating the North Vietnamese and Vietcong. Horrible things tend to happen when you underestimate an enemies fighting prowers, even if they are using sticks. Battle of Isandlwana anybody?
@@strategicperson95 the battle of Endor was nearly won by the storm troopers they were winning, despite what most people think until chewy got a hold of that AT-ST they also better shots during that battle. I don’t know why Disney has to make them complete and utter stupid shots just because of a pop culture joke mindset of storm troopers. Grand Admiral Thrawn is supposed to have had some of the most elite troops the Empire had
I would give the excuse that this was made for kids, but that would be a insult to their intelligence.
I actually watched Rebels and Clone Wars and I do not recognize these characters. They keep saying "If you watched Rebels and Clone Wars it makes sense" but actual fans of those shows are saying "Who the hell are these people?!".
If you watched the shows you would know them. Ahsoka was a main character in Clone Wars Season 1,2,3,4,5, and 7. Thrawn is the main villain for the last 2 seasons of Rebels. If you say you don't know them, then you are not paying attention to anything
I’ve watched both, and these characters aren’t the ones from those series. Those characters were written better.
They couldn't even make Sabine intimidated by him to make thrawn more intimidating.... No, she has to be a badass in front him... Makes the fear of thrawn by everyone else just a joke... Imagine a girl doing that with Hitler...
Hitler wasn't exactly someone to be afraid of. It was everyone who believed in him
Absolutely!! In reality, she should’ve been intimidated to see Thrawn even alive. Like, you can make the main character just as badass and still have them intimidated! There’s no feeling of depth in the villains or in the heroes
I don’t think that’s it … I think ur reading it completely wrong. I think she was just attempting to act tough in front of thrawn, especially with her line “you wouldn’t understand” and because we know thrawns motivation for joining the empire in the og novels this line is something which isn’t exactly true.
@@matthewskullblood9778 but people were still afraid of facing him and he wasn't even as scary as Mussolini or the emperor of Japan... You're proving my point... A common soldier would still be afraid of him because of the people he commands and you not knowing what he might do to you as you're standing there... So you'll definitely not be acting that way in his presence... Imagine if that was Vader or the emperor or even tarkin...
The actor playing Thrawn is miscast. He doesn't have the chiselled rugged features like in the comic. This guy looks like a blue smurf so no it doesn't work. A show is only as good as the villain.
”The most important thing is that Filoni is learning.” (Kathleen Kennedy)
This is why it’s good to read books kids, get the extended universe novels, sit down, and start reading. That’s the real Thrawn.
Thrawn canon novels are good too
Everything from Timothy Zahn about Thrawn is good tbh
I feel like you missed an opportunity to call him "Prawn" and put a prawn over his head.
I've always found Thrawn to be an interesting character from the old EU. He's a brilliant Admiral and strategist, he's an inspiration to the imperial remnants and he's cunning and deadly. He's the Lord Nelson of the Star Wars universe and what Disney and Filoni have done to him is disgraceful.
Thrawn in the EU : master strategist who exploits a species' flaw to decimate a New Republic fleet, combined with clever and unexpected manuveurs. Is surrounded by a competent crew, starting with Captain Pellaeon. Recruits a mad Dark Jedi so that he would use the Force to boost his troops morale, keep Luke guessing and out of his way, while keeping ysalamiri to prevent him from attacking him with the Force. Looks for the lost Katana fleet of the Republic to add numbers to his own, blockades a planet with cloaking device-fitted asteroids, rendering them effectively invisible.
Thrawn in Disney : never scores a victory against the Rebels, relies on cheap gimmicks like a chameleon droid or a hacker to control Chopper, Hera's droid, is surrounded by morons who effectively thwart his efforts, from botching the battle of Atollon (which ends with the rebels escaping and gaining Yavin 4), establishes a TIE Defender factory (despite him not even being the original creator, Grand Admiral Zaarin from the EU was) only to have Governor Pryce blew it up. Defeated by space whales. And now he KEEPS relying on gimmicks, this time in the form of Nightsisters and raggedy Stormtroopers which he carelessly wastes on Ezra, Sabine and Ahsoka.
Who do you pick ?
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Thrawn from the EU.
Why just to him? Who did they right?
@@ilfirinms Filoni ruined Grievous, Ventress and Quinlan Vos too. Not to mention changing Mandalore, Dathomir, Malachor (not V) and Tython as well.
More like the Hannibal Barca of Star Wars.
when Thrawn and Sabine talked to each other i'm surprised Thrawn just let her go with all of her weapons since she was as cocky as a high school popular girl and that the last time they had a fight Sabine and 18 other rebels plus that jedi dunk slammed his entire fleet of probably like 100 000 thousand dudes in rebels
Well since the strong whamen must be strong and talk down to males to make them seem weak so they look stronger...what do you expect.
Another great breakdown. Thrawn seems more like Zapp Brannigan, willing to send wave after wave of his own men to be slaughtered by killer robots.
Thank God for some sanity. One of the few RUclipsrs not entirely caught up in the hype of Ahsoka. Thanks for the excellent and entertaining analysis!
Thanks for suffering so I dont have to boss.
Cheers 👍
What I remember of Thrawn, he was allways manipulating others and calculating.
This one is like cartoon villains who allways run away at the end of the episode. The show STILL have not explained WHY Thrawn or Ezra are big deals.
It will be so bizarre if the end goal of all this is to ressurect Palp and start First Order. And going by this show, that now more than likely.
Imagine you said this after 7 episodes of rebels. The show just started lol, idk why people want some elaborate back story to take up a whole episode. Part of the fun is guessing what’s going on. Thrawn was told by the deity that he was going to be taken by the whales, he didn’t believe in prophecy. Obviously now he’s going to be less calculated, and he’s probably using the witches because of his fear that the deity propheciesed his death.
Why, it's not bizarre at all. We have seen where this road leads too, and I don't want to go there.
@@Booruvcheek What I mean is they are writing towards a defitive end. The more they increase the speed the faster they will have nothing left to make.
And I am just tired of Disney and I want a new studio to take over. I want something with soldiers that can aim, I want stakes and chacters I care about. Disney just don't know how to to that it seems.
@@DarksideGmss0513 If Thrawn really was true to his goals, Sabine would be dead. Ezra would be held captive or dead years ago.
And if a stardestroyer full of soldiers, ships, 3 witches and 2 fallen jedi is not enough to take down 2 jedi a mandalprian and a robot, then what is the point?
@@DarksideGmss0513 Ah! You refrence cartoon Thrawn. I haven't seen Rebels.
To be fair Ashoka can only make the story progress through sheer stupidity of both protagonist and antagonist.
Hire by talent, get talent. Hire by checkmark, get a checkmark.
They turned Thrawn into _Space Dracula_
Timothy Zahn is going to shoot himself just so that he can roll over in his grave.
F**k Timothy Zahn he sold out to Disney to write a new book series. He deserves everything they did to the character he created.
I dare you to read the Thrawn novels and return with a blistering review that shows how much better even second rate writing is compared to Disney!
"Sabine, the most punchable character in Star Wars". Dude....that's a bold statement. I've got a list of punchable characters in Star Wars and she's only part way up the top. But, well...semantics I guess.
the only man who still speaks the truth about starwars these days
I loved how Ashoka smiles at Huey while he is dropping facts, like: 'poor droid, you don't know we have plot armor... ofc we're gonna end up exactly where we need to be'.
I don't even understand why Filoni made their location an issue. All he had to do was have Ahsoka say "I showed the whale my memory of the map and it seems to know what to do, so I have faith we are going where we need to". Instead they play this whole "I have no idea what's happening" joke and it just comes across badly.
Well, it was mentioned that the inter-gallaxies travel was following the migrating paths of the whales, so there was a chance that the whales were going to take them to the right gallaxy.
@@bengale9977it was later mentioned that those whales allways travel to that specific planet so they can finish their journey of life. Nowhere is it said that Ahsoka had an actual telepathic conversation with the whale. My best guess is that "the Force" somehow made them both know what to to next since the lore of "the Force" is that it allways finds a way to keep things in balance.
@@EinfachFredhaftGaming I didn't claim they had a conversation. I didn't theories on what happened in that scene at all. I wrote what filoni should have done, not what filoni had happen.
I'm not really into speculating about what happened. Maybe Ahsoka is just pulling a prank on the robot and she actually knows more than she lets on, maybe it was a complete fluke that the whales happened to be going to their grave planet, maybe the force itself told the whales what to do like you said. I don't know my point is that was fake drama that should have been solved with one line.
This Show feels like a FanProject written by a 12 year old kid for an audience of 6 to 8 yearsold kids. And because the modern audience of Disney is mentally not older than 8 years, they are clapping and chanting the name of the Filoni kid like it is their new Jesus.
I think the scene were Sabine and Thrawn meet would have worked much better if Sabine had mouthed off to Thrawn, he had calmly advised her to try to be more productive and civil, she had ignored him and continued to disrespect him for another few seconds, and he had just looked at one of his nearby Stormtroopers, fractionally inclined his head, and the trooper had just promptly shot Sabine in the leg. She collapses to the floor, but doesn't learn her lesson and rants at Thrawn some more. Another slight nod, and a blaster bolt in the other leg. Finally getting the point, Sabine actually manages to shut her yap for once, and Thrawn makes it clear that her arrogant obnoxiousness will not be tolerated in his presence. She will receive treatment for her current injuries as a gesture of good will, but if she repeats such an outburst, she will not find him so... generous a second time.
That would help to at least establish Thrawn as a serious threat and someone you don't mess with. It might even afford Sabine an opportunity to reflect on what a suicidally idiotic moron she is being, and that maybe deliberately antagonising someone who is famed for their cold ruthlessness and holds your very life in their hands is not such a grand idea. If any character would benefit from a dose of long overdue humility, it would be Sabine.
DID SHE USE HER BLASTER TO STOP A LAZER BLAST!?!.!?!. This show....God damnit.
I’m surprised you managed to get this far into the series without lapsing into a coma. This show is like watching people talk about watching paint dry
With a bit of fast forwarding you can get thru the fillers.
@@jonfreeman9682 Get thru the fillers to get to the shit?
Yes. First 3 episodes was boring. Difference with Andor and this show Andor was a slow burn and this show is just...um...
@@jconrad8585 Haha ha well it's not all bad. This latest episode isn't too bad and we learn Baylan is likely searching for the power of the dark side with the ancient ones hiding on the planet. With that kinda power he can become like Darth Sidius and even cheat death.
Man I wish Disney could grow some balls and make a villain mean something instead of just telling us that they mean anything at all
disney is just so stupid or something, having sequel trilogy on their back, and try to make something i gotta say it is hard job to write anything decent… i bet it would be even hard for an actual good writer, but we don’t have those anymore so i should expect nothing…
If you want a good star wars villain - Lieutenant Supervisor Dedra Meero.
@@cdtterm👍
You cant find that with Disney but if you watch Clone Wars, you‘ll see lots of terrifying SW villains that you are actually scared off.
@@cdttermExcept that she is a woman although the empire doesnt allow women to join, which is why her character doesnt make sense.
Somebody call Timothy Zahn, tell him what they did to our boy.
wow thrawn so badass he distracted ahsoka so he could load some cargo and run away. Bro in the books he wouldve just destroyed that planet lmao
The way he kept needlessly calling off pursuits and pulling back forces makes him seem like he's intentionally sabotaging his own efforts to destroy the Jedi. I'm just waiting for another nonsensical, "I'm the spy" moment.
Exactly! He IS a master tactician, it's just that he has been on Ahsucka's side all along, sabotaging the bad guys at every turn. Get ready to get your expectations subverted!
You know what they say about learning from your own mistakes, right? Thrawn is smart enough to learn from *other* people's mistakes. Sending squadrons to hunt down a target in space debris field often ended in failure. Besides, where do you expect Thrawn to find replacements for fighters and soldiers if they get destroyed and killed? I doubt there's an Imperial shopping mall on Peridia, lol! Right now, Thrawn is tightening his belt on resources as best as possible. Killing the heroes is irrelevant compared to his final goal, getting the Hell outta here.
Thrawn in the EU : master strategist who exploits a species' flaw to decimate a New Republic fleet, combined with clever and unexpected manuveurs. Is surrounded by a competent crew, starting with Captain Pellaeon. Recruits a mad Dark Jedi so that he would use the Force to boost his troops morale, keep Luke guessing and out of his way, while keeping ysalamiri to prevent him from attacking him with the Force. Looks for the lost Katana fleet of the Republic to add numbers to his own, blockades a planet with cloaking device-fitted asteroids, rendering them effectively invisible.
Thrawn in Disney : never scores a victory against the Rebels, relies on cheap gimmicks like a chameleon droid or a hacker to control Chopper, Hera's droid, is surrounded by morons who effectively thwart his efforts, from botching the battle of Atollon (which ends with the rebels escaping and gaining Yavin 4), establishes a TIE Defender factory (despite him not even being the original creator, Grand Admiral Zaarin from the EU was) only to have Governor Pryce blew it up. Defeated by space whales. And now he KEEPS relying on gimmicks, this time in the form of Nightsisters and raggedy Stormtroopers which he carelessly wastes on Ezra, Sabine and Ahsoka.
Who do you pick ?
@@DarksideGmss0513 He's still wasting his extremely limited resources on two kids instead of Ahsoka.
What could even possibly this cargo, after being stranded for 10 years ?
And even then, it's absolutely uncharacteristic of Thrawn to underestimate someone who thwarted his plans time and time again, defeated not just one but BOTH Imperial Viceroys of Mandalore, ruined his siege on Atollon, stole a TIE Defender from under his nose and delivered the navigation computer to the rebellion before. It's absolutely inane.
"You'll actually have to use your brains a little bit more but it seems like you don't you just pick apart what you believe to be inconsistencies."
The irony of this statement is galactic. Yeah, I'm the one who needs to use my brain to comprehend the levels of cope and grasping at straws to defend this travesty lmfao
Filoni fans are somehow managing to outclass Sequels shills these days.
"We also know that in the next episode he wins. These are from the leaks. It's a very reliable source too who's spot on when it comes to leaks MakingStarWars."
Gee, what's next ? Water is wet too ?
@@DarksideGmss0513 So much for the greatest strategist in the Imperial Navy. Did he study a thing or two about Nightsisters and learned that they and their undead army were decimated by Grievous and his Droid army ?
And how far do their knowledge of the Jedi and Sith go ? Considering these spent a LONG time on Peridea, and considering Talzin was killed by the Sith, not much.
And there's no need for the Ghost Crew, since Filoni wants some Avengers-type bs movie.
@@DarksideGmss0513 1. Resurrected implies reviving the dead. Hello ??????
2. WTF are you on about ? I said the overwhelming forces of the Separatist army destroyed them. Even Cal Kestis in JFO was able to keep these zombies at bay. Speak English ?
3. Ventress might have been close to defeating him (which utter bs typical of TCW), but she was ultimately overhwelmed by numbers and firepower.
The only shocking thing to me is that fans were still thinking that Filoni is amazing writer after mandalorian season 3
I have been askin myself that since legend of korra and star resistance, after that I began noticing everything he keeps getting credited for which has been deemed great by the fans is stuff othe people did and he claimed he created or ideas he stole from the eu or other franchises, I even remember him being corrected by georges daughter in an interview where he claimed an idea was his an she pointed out it was from legends
Dave Felony murdering star wars, or what s left of it
Stop! Stop! It’s already dead! *sobbing*
His murder spree started with TCW, but no one's ready to talk about that
@@shadekerensky3691 TCW was decent/alright but you may be right.
@@chasehedges6775 Captain Fordo has a great two part video over the subject. First one explains the situation and the second part gives specific examples.
@@shadekerensky3691 there were some good vids back in the day on how TCW shits all over the star wars comics and EU, but i still liked it so i gave him a pass, not anymore
He doesnt have enough screentime he's probably gonna get more in the future. If he dies in ahsoka i give up on disney star wars
i gave up a long time ago, ashoka looks stupid
Well he kinda has to leading into TFA otherwise it makes even less sense...
He probably will
Nah they are saving that for Failoni's suuper awesome feature film that will totally happen.
He can't die. Zahn already confirmed that he's writing new Thrawn novels.
Honestly I just want to see Star Wars burn. I can’t take it anymore. And I‘m soo tired of arguing with these stupid fans… it‘s pointless.
The only way Thrawn's plan to just let Sabine go and do a retreat once Ahsoka showed up is if he had a bomb attached to Sabine. And when he does the retreat, he activates the bomb which blows up Sabine, Ashoka, and Ezra maybe damage the ship with the droid. And it'd be all over with, Thrawn would have won completely and the setup works. But that would make him a dangerous threat to actually win...and Filoni can't dare harm his waifu...
"Why not allow them to follow?"
"No, that's just what they'll be expecting us to do..."
"Why not actually try to kill them or use them or do anything smart?
"No, that's just what they'll be expecting us to do... We *must* subvert their expectations by letting them win."
Disney-Thrawn isn't the villain the show needs, but the one it deserves.
Yep and philomina gives us a deffective Hannibal lecter
Who else knew Sabine found Ezra when she rode up to that house with the "Hate has no place here" sign above the front door?
I like how her little missile had a homing beacon for the Storm Troopers feet.
When you said the line of: "So you just have people RUN AWAY."
I thought of the Monty Python scene, then you threw it in, and I just couldn't contain my laughter anymore.
Peak content as always, Robot Head, always love these Star Wars videos!
My immediate thought as a history buff. ‘But that’s how battles work, both sides fought until one side ran away.’
@@lordcypher5889 I think the compliant is in narrative terms it made no sense for them to run away. Why were the protagonists so powerful as to get Thrawn to retreat? Because plot armour.
It’s fine to have the antagonist retreat from battle, but it needs to be earned or else you break the stakes of the story.
@@L_Martin Plot armor is a lot in this universe, like in Clone Wars for example. Why do you think that the antagonist retreat from the battle was not earned?
Did you guys even watch the series or only watch this video, which is intended to entertain and scandalise things so that he gets views.
Thrawn is a pawn in Disney Star Wars.
WELL SAID😂😂😂
Nice rhymes man
Grand Admiral Paaaawn
I'm 49. Mr.Feloni is six months younger, never had voice breaking and what comes along. He should do animated stuff nobody (with a grown voice) will see. Good for him, good for us.
Disneys Thrawn is a pot bellied blue Elon Musk saying ‘just as planned’ with each new disaster. 😂
Correction, he says that after STRATEGICALLY fucking up
Even if his initial goal was to kill someone he'll back off or have some bullshit deus ex machina stop him and he'll try to treat it like a victory
It's been a recurring theme since the Rat introduced his worthless ass in the Rebels show
I hate way more than what they did to the story, what they did to the characters.
Ahsoka suddenly is condescending, stuck up and not empathetic to Sabine.
Sabine, a mandalorian who, on multiple occasions battled against enemies outmaching her in skill and number, has nothing of a soldier. (Especially when Hera jumps into the system while she is being held in the ring, and she fkin tells everyone that it is Hera? Wtf, don't you want to scream the encryption codes for her comm too? Where is some Soldier-like discipline? Also the entire rest of the show is about how Sabine is undisciplined, stupid, and not worth the armor she wears. Mandos have fought Jedi and won, and she can't destroy 3 robots and one Ex-Jedi?)
Oh, and Thrawn. Big departure from the books (honestly, he shouldn't even have a grudge against Ezra, his motivations (from other Canon Media) show clearly that he has no use for personal vendettas and only wants an army against the enemy of his people), but what's far worse, he doesn't look the part. Here we have the guy who battled against multiple melee trainer droids, and won, seemingly enjoying the refectory too much (no offence against the actor, having his voice was more important than physique, but you could have chosen different angles etc), and being antagonising everyone, even if he doesn't have reason to plotwise.
Did you notice how character progress is always deleted by Disney? Han Solo goes from smuggler to rebel warhero -> becomes smuggler again like he didn't went through a fucking arc. Just as an example.
I would say fat Thrawn is not a big deal,a general is a desk jockey.
@@naamadossantossilva4736 well, not when his character is based upon him being the best soldier AND tactician his planet had
all the nice art design wasted by really stupid writing. Thrawn was a great character in the books because he wasn't a "evil" antagonist but rather a pragmatic and intelligent leader, here Thrawn feels like a pretender trying to act like a smart person he seen on tv but is in actuality a useless person. oh well the books are still there.
They write these shows with pre teen audiences and nothing but profit in mind, there's never any chance of it being good.
Something that really frustrated me was how they made thrawns troopers weak. Yet again. You would think that having survived in another galaxy et having thrawn as a lead would have make them hardened soldiers. But no. A full squad gets obliterated by two people and they run towards them despite having blasters, long eange weapons. The empire feels so weak and goofy. Arent they supposed to be elite soldiers?
this is designed for soy riddled minds. empire bad, strong women. their only job is to die
It's all Dave's fault sorry but he needs to go!
Ya and people are saying he saved star wars like wtf
@@garbageshore9683 This is what pisses me off. People claiming this is a masterpiece is the very exact reason why we cannot have nice things.
@GamerGarm ya people need to realise it's a bad show
Thrawn was quite… a character that I knew about, yet didn’t care to look into
The Thrawn Trilogy are amazing books. You're missing out if you haven't read them.
Thrawn in the EU : master strategist who exploits a species' flaw to decimate a New Republic fleet, combined with clever and unexpected manuveurs. Is surrounded by a competent crew, starting with Captain Pellaeon. Recruits a mad Dark Jedi so that he would use the Force to boost his troops morale, keep Luke guessing and out of his way, while keeping ysalamiri to prevent him from attacking him with the Force. Looks for the lost Katana fleet of the Republic to add numbers to his own, blockades a planet with cloaking device-fitted asteroids, rendering them effectively invisible.
Thrawn in Disney : never scores a victory against the Rebels, relies on cheap gimmicks like a chameleon droid or a hacker to control Chopper, Hera's droid, is surrounded by morons who effectively thwart his efforts, from botching the battle of Atollon (which ends with the rebels escaping and gaining Yavin 4), establishes a TIE Defender factory (despite him not even being the original creator, Grand Admiral Zaarin from the EU was) only to have Governor Pryce blew it up. Defeated by space whales. And now he KEEPS relying on gimmicks, this time in the form of Nightsisters and raggedy Stormtroopers which he carelessly wastes on Ezra, Sabine and Ahsoka.
Who do you pick ?
@@noneofyourbusiness9489*Thrawn trilogy
Also, there's the OG trilogy, and the new Disney trilogy. I suggest the earlier.
@@yrooxrksvi7142 Damn autocorrect lol .And yeah, the original Thrawn trilogy is what I was referring to. The first Star Wars books ever.
@@noneofyourbusiness9489 Well, there were Splinter of the Mind's Eye and several Han and Lando books in the early 80s, but the OG Thrawn trilogy is what truly kickstarted the Expanded Universe.
Even Shiggy Tomura and his friends were much better than all Disney circus villains nowadays.
They should just use the Holdo Maneuver. End the whole thing. 😂😂😂
When i first saw them pinpoint Ashoka i asked myself why they didnt do that sooner for Ezra... then i realized this show isnt for me, my brain works... sorta.
Yea if you think about any of these disney+ shows you realize how bad they are.
they pinpointed her because she used the force to reach out
@@HappyBob701 still the same issue, ezra over 10 years NEVER used it?
This show much like most things Disney has pumped out the past Decade have been a major dissapointment. Ahsoka is one of my favorite characters of Star Wars, but for some reason it seems that every time a character gets their own show they are bland, and the show has no understanding on what the character was before. Obi Wan, became a washed out old hermit who gives up on the force who also needs to train Luke when he's ready? Boba Fett wants to become a crime lord who rules with respect, which apparently means doing what other people say after giving orders, and Ahsoka has become a piece of cardboard that crosses her arms and acts stoic all the time. Hell it's gotten so bad that Dave Filloni who helped make the Clone Wars and Rebles shows seems to have forgotten what his characters should act like.
The existence of a minefield in planetary orbit is defensible. What is not defensible is using your highly limited resources to create that minefield instead of using them to escape the planet you have been trapped on.
He couldn't use the resources for that as you can see when the eye jumps to perdiea it was smoking it had 3 hyper drives, and thrawn does not have that
“the most punchable face in star wars” lol
AND... why did Ashoka magically no longer have her TWO light sabers when she was fighting the stormtroopers?
She forgot she had it.
Filoni said in that interview "Lucas only considered the Movies and Tv shows canon..." Lucas said "We have a treasure trove of Books, Comics, and Story Treatments and I'm handing them over to Kathy to Make Great Movies" and Filoni said "Why change Thrawn from the books..." Seriously Filoni's brain and talent are cherry picked.
Dave Failoni
KK cherry-picked Dave's balls years ago.
I kinda hat Filoni for inserting his characters into every story
The Thrawn impersonator Moff Disra partners with in Specter of the Past and Vision of the Future was a more competent Thrawn than the actual Disney Thrawn!