You are so right about the miguel glaze. I mean robbt beat him fair and square this season and everyone is making excuses for him. But when miguel won against him in s5 no one said anything.
Maybe cause they’re different fights? Im not a miguel Stan but a tournament match vs a regular match is a lot different, in both matches of miguel vs robby that are street fights miguel has won, and the second one wasn’t even close, robby is very good but in my opinion still a good bit behind miguel.
I think the better fighter each season is Season 1: Robby: Almost won the first all valley with an injured shoulder and landed a two legged kick. Would have won if he wasn’t hurt from Hawk or Miguel never hit his shoulder. Season 2: Miguel: Trained to fight with anger by Kreese and defeated Robby in the school fight but showed mercy Season 3: Robby: Pretty obvious, Miguel couldnt train or even walk. in season 3. His feats in the house fight basically count as Miguel Season 4 abilities. Miguel was in the hospital and in rehabilitation while Robby learned cobra kai in Juvie and a few moves from Kreese. Season 4: Robby: Did absolutely amazing in the all valley and would have beat Hawk if not for seeing Kenny and realizing he didn’t wanna fight with Anger after seeing what it turned Kenny into while Miguel hardly even fought and was still not technically at his prime since his back muscle was strained against Hawk. Season 5: Miguel: Pretty obvious, beat Robby in the Apartment fight though he was clearly out for his revenge more. Season 6: =, not much time passed since season 5 besides Miguel and Tory learning more Miyagi Do. Robby beat Miguel fair and square and no Miguel “being stressed about Stanford” is no excuse. Robby clearly wanted the captain spot more after always getting second place. Then again Miguel also was more angry in the apartment fight while Robby was a bit regretful and guilty after injuring Miguel, therefore both are currently equal.
@@aki24-h2n I agree with most of what ur saying miguel being worried about his school is an excuse. By him being worried this put him off balanced as he really needed this which made him reckless
@@aki24-h2n honestly i think we havent seen much of season 6 yet to determine whos better, but i still think Robby only won since he always gets second place, otherwise i think Miguel would have won.
When Robby is actually focused and serious, I think he can take any of the other kids down including Hawk and Miguel. Hawk only beat Robby in the tournament after Robby got distracted by Kenny, and we saw this season that once Robby got serious Miguel couldn't even touch him for three straight rounds. Robby's the kid who first figured out the value of blending styles, beat up a bunch of Cobra Kai students solo, and mastered a Miyagi-Do move that even LaRusso can't do.
@@dangamer8884 Against Hawk I don't agree, in that fight Robby got the first point easily because Hawk wasn't combining styles because of Daniel but he was only using the miyagi do, and then it's true Robby was distracted by Kenny and couldn't make the punch but Hawk was also about to make the point and the referee blew his whistle otherwise Hawk would have made the point
I agree with everything you said except for your reasoning on why hawk won. First of all hawk would have scored a point if the buzzer for sudden death didn't go off. Also the one point robby scored on hawk was because hawk was using only miyagi do. Kenny distracting him is irrelevant when looking at who was the better fighter.
@Lusoka_Tano who am I glazing. Whatever opinions I have a on this show I could prove it to you easily and you'll end up saying some nonsense like "whatever so and so is still stronger" or "whatever you are just yapping"
@@palomao8949 I can say this rn, maybe u rlly R a yapper, but I fr can turn into a D-1 Yapper too ion mind getting an explanation I'm just checking ppl to make sure they ain't doin exactly what they calling ppl out for. So basically we can debate band for band which character better, I ain't gon duck no yap fade, but Im just checking is all.
@Lusoka_Tano ok... but I'm sorry, please stop trying to sound gangster. I've never seen anyone use the phrase "band for band" like that it is a little weird😭. Anyways Robby beat miguel fair and square this season. 1. Robby wasnt even focused for the beginning of the fight. 2. When he did become focused he scored 3 points CONSECUTIVELY which is an underrated feat in my opinion. 3. To those who say miguel wasn't focused this doesn't make any sense. He wasn't distracted by Stanford he was motivated by it. He had all of his family supporting him, his former bully kyler gave him good advice about college, and his girlfriend Sam even told him during the fight whatever happens it's gonna be okay. The only person distracted in this fight was robby and he still was able to clutch up after he got focused.
@@dangamer8884 I would honestly say that Hawk fans are worse than Miguel fans. I say this cause I’ve never come across a Miguel fan that believes that he truly dog walks Robby, even tho they still think he’s better. But some HAWK FANS, they be swearing he’s the best fighter or the second best fighter. Even though OBJECTIVELY he’s been 3rd best throughout the whole duration of the series amongst Miguel and Robby. And the feats they use to justify their point never hold up well or have much value.
@YkitsTim Oh buddy you have only seen the surface of miguel stans. This is one random example trust me there is more but I seen someone say "s6 miguel destroys robby if he was focused." And that is only the tip of the iceberg. Also as a hawk fan myself I agree right now hawk is the 3rd strongest fighter. I can understand where other hawk fans come from though because he was the strongest fighter at the end of s4 and they just continuously nerfed him from there. I'm not mad though because hawk is a side character and they wrapped up his arc in s4 so it makes no sense why he should be the strongest anymore even tho it is dumb how they will have him lose to kenny devon and technically demetri 😭
Yes, I agree with your assessment regarding Robby, Hawk, and Miguel. Don't get me wrong, I like Miguel, BUT the majority of the audience has this blind loyalty towards him that he never does any wrong only because he was the 1st kid that was introduced in the show who started off as this sweet kid with a loving mom and grandmother and with his relationship with Johnny. With the school fight, it's like as soon as Miguel is the one that gets seriously injured, they automatically forget that it was MIGUEL WHO ATTACKED ROBBY FIRST while Robby was trying to STOP the fight. Then, in the episode in season 4, when Robby got out of juvie, Miguel was the one who was instigating Robby and getting in the middle of his and Sams conversation at the Miyagi-Do. If Miguel had stayed out of it and let him and Sam talk privately to clear up the misunderstandings and to calm him down, he wouldn't have tried going after Miguel. It really aggravates me how most of the people who watch the fight automatically blame and hate on Robby for ACCIDENTALLY kicking Miguel over the railing throughout the show. Then, in the show with the characters, Kreese, of all people, was the ONLY PERSON who even acknowledged to Robby that he was the one who tried to descalate the fight to began with and it was Miguel who attacked him. I love both Robby AND Miguel. But I feel that Robby's character barely ever gets an understanding of his side of things and just always wants to paint him the bad guy. Even when Miguel has done some pretty messed up stuff himself. Or how most of Robby's life he always felt he came 2nd with his mom sleeping around/addiction, Johnny has failed him from the day he was born and mostly left him abandoned and now all of a sudden he's being more of a dad to Miguel who's not his son and has a really close relationship with him and then with Sam he felt he came 2nd again to Miguel. A lot of peoples comments when it comes to the school fight they always say, "Miguel giving Robby mercy." Why would Robby trust Miguel giving him mercy when the last time they fought, Robby extended mercy/respect, and Miguel used it for his advantage to hurt him more in that tournament by yanking down his injured shoulder in-between rounds. If it wasn't for Miguel playing dirty during the match, Robby could have won. The sad thing is Robby was using ONLY ONE arm and almost won against Miguel. The Miguel stans always bring up that he stopped and said, "Sorry." Ummm, like, did Y'all not see that Robby was the one that tried to protect Sam by holding off Tory and clearly said to the girls that "we can figure a way to work this out", and then Miguel came in and attacked him, which escalated the school fight. (Oh, and in the school fight, Miguel was ONLY fighting Robby no one else. But, Robby had to fight off multiple Cobra Kai students while also fighting Miguel). Then, through that WHOLE fight, Miguel kept throwing digs at Robby about his relationship with Johnny and then with Sam. Miguel kept instigating Robby throughout that fight, which only fueled his anger and adrenaline, and then out of nowhere when Miguel already got Robby wiled up at the last quick second, Miguel decided to be sorry... I bet you because of the amount of adrenaline that was running through Robby and the tunnel vision, he didn't hear the "I'm sorry." You could see as SOON Robby realized that he kicked Miguel over the railing he didn't mean for that part to happen by the look on his face. The only reason he ran was because he was a scared kid. Dont get me wrong, I love Johnny and Miguel's relationship, BUT I wish Johnny would have those open heart talks and had put in an actual effort with Robby to earn that trust he wouldn't get heartbroken again, his actual son. His mom, Shannon, finally did it she changed and SHOWED Robby that she was going to be better, and she did. She got herself help and got healthy. She earned his trust back because she put in the work. She finally puts him first by being his mom. Johnny ALWAYS puts Miguel 1st ahead of Robby EVERY. SINGLE. TIME... It breaks my heart for him. So, anytime Robby confronted Johnny, I'm 100% on his side. Miguel has the support with his mom and grandmother, where Robby basically had to support himself with his mom always doing her own thing and a dad who was a deadbeat for most of his life. Daniel was the 1st positive support system he ever had in his life, who looked out for his best interest and gave him attention. I've been a Robby support from day 1. Robby, Sam, Hawk, Demetri, and Moon are my favorite characters. Robby, Hawk, and Sam are my favorite teen fighters to watch because I love those three individual styles of fighting.
I like the Tommy and Jason comparison with Miguel and Robby. It’s funny because I remember seeing a Cobra Kai Mighty Morphin comparison post where it compared the rangers to the main core
The List was so great bro😭😭until you said Barns is beating Johnny and Daniel when bro hasn’t trained in ages but you put Shawn Lower than his own Lil brother Kenny. lol Cmon gang
You could make the argument that Hawk won because Robby got distracted. But even before he got distracted by Kenny. You can’t deny that Hawk was giving Robby a serious problem. You can see throughout the fight Robby was getting slightly frustrated because Hawk was pressing him.
@@MariNoLimit64 yeah the fight was definitely difficult from both sides honestly but I do think Robby started holding back unfortunately which is one of my main issues with the show when it comes to his character
The guy you thought was young Sato name is Dennis he was one of Silver’s goons in the KK3 I think Robby is slightly better than Miguel because I doubt that Miguel would have the nerve to back talk Silver like Robby did
W-List 💯 😂 But... Watch out Robby fanboys are gonna cry in the comment section that Robby is a better fighter than Miguel (With only one victory against Miguel). Always *Miguel > Robby*
Robby fanboys? Miguel fans are the ones constantly telling everyone he's the best fighter. They're the ones who are fanboys. Robby kicked Miguel's ass this season. Once Robby knew Tory was okay and was there to support him, he went into God Mode and scored three back to back points on Miguel. Miguel literally couldn't even touch Robby for three back to back rounds. Robby handed Miguel his ass
@@dangamer8884 If Miguel fans saying Miguel is a better fighter... They justify that with Miguel's Winning streak & improvement in his level of skills even after that Fatal Spine injury. But Robby won one f***ing Fight between Miguel Vs Robby after 6 seasons that too as a consolation prize for the constant defeat. But now Robby fans are saying Robby went "God Mode" 🤣 like he is better than Miguel!
Bro is not on to anything and let me explain why: 1. The past fights don't even really matter. Robby beat miguel in s6. Now he is the strongest fighter right now (for now). 2. The amount of fights that were in Miguel's favor were unreal. In s1 at the tournament robby was fighting with ONE ARM (basically) and miguel was targeting his weak spot for points. If robby was healthy he Beats miguel. 1-0 for robby. In s2 this is a fair fight and even though miguel technically lost it was only because he showed mercy so it's 1 to 1. The next time they fight is in s5 this was also a clean fight no excuses miguel wins 2 to 1 for miguel. S6 another clean fight referees and everything. ROBBY HAD A MENTAL NERF AND LOST TWOOOO POINTSSS. Luckily he locked in got 3 points on miguel CONSECUTIVELY. So there overall record is really 2 to 2 even though I could've been mean and compared them by each season (so basically I could've gave robby points for s3 even though miguel is basically crippled at the time.) 3. Lastly what robby fan boys? Hawk is my favorite teen character first of all and second we all know miguel is the most favored teenager in the show. If you make one of those youtube polls asking who is your favorite CK teen, and let's say the options are Robby, Hawk, Kwon, and Demetri PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA GO IN THE COMMENTS AND SPAM MIGUEL. In fact you'd probably spam miguel. So tell me who's the fanboy?
@@palomao8949 One.. Yes I'm Miguel Fanboy. But I'm not a spammer and i don't write essays unlike some other fanboys 😏 to prove that their fav char is the strongest teen in the show.
Young Johnny should be S tier alongside young Chozen. You’re forgetting that Johnny did not train at all after leaving Cobra Kai at the end of KK1 which mean young Johnny had the same skills as adult Johnny from season 1. You can’t really say Miguel and Robby are equal when Miguel ultimately won the majority of their fights just like how Robby won the majority of his fights with Hawk. Johnny steadily improved as the series went on so it’s not hard to believe that he can beat Barnes. In fact. Kreese stated how Johnny was his best student and kept hyping how skilled Johnny was. Johnny, with the same skill set as his teenage self fought and beat Kreese in S2E1 fight and against in S3E10 fight (Until Robby intervened and stopped him). Daniel only ever beat Kreese or Silver only after someone else already fought and beat them such as Johnny or Chozen. Johnny fought 5 guys alone, including the guy he fought 2v1 alongside Chozen. So Johnny being a better fighter than Barnes is not hard to believe at all. Young Johnny wasn’t in the clear mindset against Daniel in KK1. He lost the girl he loved to Daniel and was being told to cheat when he didn’t want to. You can see Johnny’s reaction to Kreese telling him to attack Daniel’s leg; Johnny gave Daniel the trophy and congratulated him after the fight.
This time I do not agree with you so much about Miguel and Robby, I am a fan of both, but for me Miguel is superior, he almost became paraplegic and still knew how to get ahead, the problem is that Miguel learned from Cobra Kai, Migayi Do and Eagle Fang, and Robby when he was in Cobra Kai and was in his prime could not even win the All Valley because he only sabotaged himself with the mistakes he made (season 4) and let himself be manipulated, that is why I empathize more with Miguel, and for me this fight between Robby and Miguel season 6, the writers made it so predictable that Robby was going to win, Robby won because they made Miguel distracted and with the thought of college, but I do not accept the idea that when Miguel was winning 2 points and out of nowhere by the power of love Robby came back 3 points in a row just because Tori appeared? For me, the best and fairest fight between Robby and Miguel was in season 5 in the fight on the terrace. They were both focused and yet Miguel was a thousand times superior. If you don't believe me, watch the entire fight again. In short, for me, the real captains should have been Miguel and Tori, and the fact that Robby and Sam were captains seems like a convenience to the script.
@@lusy03362 I’ve watched the fight recently and no Miguel wasn’t vastly superior the fight was going back and forth the whole time then Miguel got the edge once they went to the top floor. Also the season 6 fight Robby was also unfocused because he was worried about Tory and once she showed up he was able to focus. Why is it when Miguel loses people always bring context into it but when Hawk or Robby loses they don’t get the same treatment. Cobra Kai and eagle fang was pretty much the same thing with a different name so Robby is just as skilled as Miguel and I’d say the same for Hawk. Btw I respect your opinion this is just friendly debate
But yes that's why Robby won , he was concentrated on seeing Tori, and Miguel wasn't focused he was focused on something else and that's why Robby won although I don't see the point of him taking 3 points in a row the truth but each to his own, but in comparison in the Miguel vs Robby fight in season 5 the two were mentally focused and still in the end Miguel had the lead and was superior and no, Eagle Fang and Cobra Kai are similar but they have different points and as I say to you for me Robby is not superior enough to Miguel because Robby didn't even win the all valley being in Cobra Kai and he was in his own prime I’m just saying that if they’re going to make Robby win, let it be when Miguel or his opponent is in the same conditions that Robby will be and that they are focussed and not that they make another script conviction, because it was too obvious that they were going to make Robby win in this last fight, the script itself makes you emphasise it
And speaking of hawk, they nerfed a hawk several times, because it’s impossible that Kenny and Dimitri have beaten hawk, it doesn’t make sense, that’s what I mean those script convictions, I just hope that Tori and Miguel win the sekai taikai, they deserve it
@@lusy03362 that doesn’t work because if we use that logic then Miguel only won in season 1 because Robby had a dislocated shoulder he wasn’t at full strength. The school fight imo they both lost and season 4 Robby lost because the plot, if he hadn’t gotten distracted by the Kenny thing he could’ve easily got that sudden death point on Hawk. The only fight where Miguel and Robby fought full out was season 5 I don’t get your point about Miguel being superior because the fight was going either way before they went upstairs. Eagle fang is pretty much Cobra Kai except they show mercy I don’t think Hawk was nerfed this season he lost to demitri because they were going through that whole college thing I didn’t really like that plot
Okay I have a serious question…. Why do people think Miguel is the best teen fighter on the show? I just don’t see it. Do I think he’s great? Yes but do I think he’s just so superior compared to Robby and Hawk? No
@@Pablito-fi1ip but Robby wasn’t going full out either in those fights you can tell they both were holding back especially because of what happened last time I just don’t get the whole Miguel being the best fighter on the show thing I don’t see it. I think Robby, Hawk and Miguel are all equal.
I understand that for you they are all the same and it is valid but for me, Miguel has more experience he first started karate with Johnny, and before he was the protagonist :( without Johnny or without Miguel there would be no show , but if you feel that the three are the same, well it is valid
@@Pablito-fi1ip well actually Johnny is the protagonist of Cobra Kai not Miguel and he wasn’t training for that long before everyone else started training Robby and Hawk started like right after him and Sam was already trained so does that make her the best fighter?
Sam learned karate since she was a child by Daniel, she didn’t have a reason in general and then left it, Miguel had a reason to continue learning karate and continue to be better
Good list but in my opinion kenny should be on s tier he's only 13 and he was one of the best fighters of the show he already beated even tough hawk got nerfed a bit and he almost beated robby in the dojo fight
@@stingkrisp the only reason he’s not S is because he doesn’t have the experience the others have but other than that I understand why you would put him up there
The writers be glazing Johnny so much bro be winning fights he ain’t supposed to win Chozen and Mike make him look like a joke. I get it the story and plot armor and all that but bro it’s at the point now they doing too much 😂 Johnny ain’t all that Chozen and Mike superior I’d say Daniel and Johnny probably the same level and when Daniel beat Silver… ehh idk
@@dangamer8884 Literally there was an interview please catch up, THE CREATOR of cobra Kai said Miguel was also unfocused from the beginning, only Miguel had Sam and Robby didn't, that's why he did those two points easily, while when Tory returned Robby managed to concentrate instead Miguel remained unfocused and left Balance off (the creator said it not me), in any case Miguel has always been stronger in fights without points (street fight) and Robby in point matches (even in season 1 for me Robby would have won that tournament) so they are equal, winning a point fight doesn't make you stronger, Daniel defeated Johnny in kk1 but probably in street fight Johnny would have killed him like he said on cobra Kai.
@@dangamer8884 In fact if you look closely at the fight you see Miguel literally throwing blows without thinking and he always attacked without hesitation it's as if he wanted to finish immediately but this made him lose
miguel is better them everyone he fight 4 times with robby win 3 and he fight 2 times with hawk win 1 and hurt in the other so he is the best teen fighter
@@Bigramt I think the kids at this point are better than young Daniel and Johnny. Also unfortunately we didn’t get to see Johnny at his best because he was only in the first movie
@@BigramtIk its hard to accept but By S5 The top students like Miguel Robby Hawk Sam and Tory are above the Sensei’s they have been stated by Daniel to be on the same skill level. Daniel specifically states to Sam That She is extremely relative to him in skill and We saw that The same Daniel who Sam is relative too Basically mopped the floor with Terry who beat Johny and Chozen
You are so right about the miguel glaze. I mean robbt beat him fair and square this season and everyone is making excuses for him. But when miguel won against him in s5 no one said anything.
@@palomao8949 EXACTLY!!
Maybe cause they’re different fights? Im not a miguel Stan but a tournament match vs a regular match is a lot different, in both matches of miguel vs robby that are street fights miguel has won, and the second one wasn’t even close, robby is very good but in my opinion still a good bit behind miguel.
Your so right
W list and im a miguel fan but i think him and robby are equal tbh
I think the better fighter each season is
Season 1: Robby: Almost won the first all valley with an injured shoulder and landed a two legged kick. Would have won if he wasn’t hurt from Hawk or Miguel never hit his shoulder.
Season 2: Miguel: Trained to fight with anger by Kreese and defeated Robby in the school fight but showed mercy
Season 3: Robby: Pretty obvious, Miguel couldnt train or even walk. in season 3. His feats in the house fight basically count as Miguel Season 4 abilities. Miguel was in the hospital and in rehabilitation while Robby learned cobra kai in Juvie and a few moves from Kreese.
Season 4: Robby: Did absolutely amazing in the all valley and would have beat Hawk if not for seeing Kenny and realizing he didn’t wanna fight with Anger after seeing what it turned Kenny into while Miguel hardly even fought and was still not technically at his prime since his back muscle was strained against Hawk.
Season 5: Miguel: Pretty obvious, beat Robby in the Apartment fight though he was clearly out for his revenge more.
Season 6: =, not much time passed since season 5 besides Miguel and Tory learning more Miyagi Do. Robby beat Miguel fair and square and no Miguel “being stressed about Stanford” is no excuse. Robby clearly wanted the captain spot more after always getting second place. Then again Miguel also was more angry in the apartment fight while Robby was a bit regretful and guilty after injuring Miguel, therefore both are currently equal.
@@aki24-h2n I agree with most of what ur saying miguel being worried about his school is an excuse. By him being worried this put him off balanced as he really needed this which made him reckless
@@aki24-h2n honestly i think we havent seen much of season 6 yet to determine whos better, but i still think Robby only won since he always gets second place, otherwise i think Miguel would have won.
I think Miguel is slightly better but Robby is better at some things imo Robby grew on me tho I like season 6 Robby more than season 6 Miguel tho
@@Lilsevofficial7 yeah I agree Miguel wasn't really the best this season, I think if they fought 10 times Miguel would win 6.
When Robby is actually focused and serious, I think he can take any of the other kids down including Hawk and Miguel. Hawk only beat Robby in the tournament after Robby got distracted by Kenny, and we saw this season that once Robby got serious Miguel couldn't even touch him for three straight rounds. Robby's the kid who first figured out the value of blending styles, beat up a bunch of Cobra Kai students solo, and mastered a Miyagi-Do move that even LaRusso can't do.
@@dangamer8884 Against Hawk I don't agree, in that fight Robby got the first point easily because Hawk wasn't combining styles because of Daniel but he was only using the miyagi do, and then it's true Robby was distracted by Kenny and couldn't make the punch but Hawk was also about to make the point and the referee blew his whistle otherwise Hawk would have made the point
I agree with everything you said except for your reasoning on why hawk won. First of all hawk would have scored a point if the buzzer for sudden death didn't go off. Also the one point robby scored on hawk was because hawk was using only miyagi do. Kenny distracting him is irrelevant when looking at who was the better fighter.
@@FedericoSudarminyep
@@palomao8949great Explanation guys! I almost wrote a damn Essay 😭
Miguel is a better fighter, but Robby got the moves
You are exhibit A when it comes to exposing miguel glazers😭
@@palomao8949 u r Exhibit A for the ppl who delusionally also glaze in the process
@Lusoka_Tano who am I glazing. Whatever opinions I have a on this show I could prove it to you easily and you'll end up saying some nonsense like "whatever so and so is still stronger" or "whatever you are just yapping"
@@palomao8949 I can say this rn, maybe u rlly R a yapper, but I fr can turn into a D-1 Yapper too ion mind getting an explanation I'm just checking ppl to make sure they ain't doin exactly what they calling ppl out for.
So basically we can debate band for band which character better, I ain't gon duck no yap fade, but Im just checking is all.
@Lusoka_Tano ok... but I'm sorry, please stop trying to sound gangster. I've never seen anyone use the phrase "band for band" like that it is a little weird😭. Anyways Robby beat miguel fair and square this season.
1. Robby wasnt even focused for the beginning of the fight.
2. When he did become focused he scored 3 points CONSECUTIVELY which is an underrated feat in my opinion.
3. To those who say miguel wasn't focused this doesn't make any sense. He wasn't distracted by Stanford he was motivated by it. He had all of his family supporting him, his former bully kyler gave him good advice about college, and his girlfriend Sam even told him during the fight whatever happens it's gonna be okay. The only person distracted in this fight was robby and he still was able to clutch up after he got focused.
Dawg young kreese is a grown man in the army, he’s top tier
Fr, he might’ve skipped an episode
You right about miguel and robby,they are equal but miguel fans are só annoying, i get it
Miguel fans are the worst part of the Cobra Kai fanbase
@@dangamer8884 I would honestly say that Hawk fans are worse than Miguel fans. I say this cause I’ve never come across a Miguel fan that believes that he truly dog walks Robby, even tho they still think he’s better. But some HAWK FANS, they be swearing he’s the best fighter or the second best fighter. Even though OBJECTIVELY he’s been 3rd best throughout the whole duration of the series amongst Miguel and Robby. And the feats they use to justify their point never hold up well or have much value.
@YkitsTim Oh buddy you have only seen the surface of miguel stans. This is one random example trust me there is more but I seen someone say "s6 miguel destroys robby if he was focused." And that is only the tip of the iceberg. Also as a hawk fan myself I agree right now hawk is the 3rd strongest fighter. I can understand where other hawk fans come from though because he was the strongest fighter at the end of s4 and they just continuously nerfed him from there. I'm not mad though because hawk is a side character and they wrapped up his arc in s4 so it makes no sense why he should be the strongest anymore even tho it is dumb how they will have him lose to kenny devon and technically demetri 😭
putting rickenburger in mid is crazy
@@v1pern only because I barely remember him in any fights lol
Robby gotta win sekai taikai or the Miguel glaze will never end
Yes, I agree with your assessment regarding Robby, Hawk, and Miguel.
Don't get me wrong, I like Miguel, BUT the majority of the audience has this blind loyalty towards him that he never does any wrong only because he was the 1st kid that was introduced in the show who started off as this sweet kid with a loving mom and grandmother and with his relationship with Johnny.
With the school fight, it's like as soon as Miguel is the one that gets seriously injured, they automatically forget that it was MIGUEL WHO ATTACKED ROBBY FIRST while Robby was trying to STOP the fight. Then, in the episode in season 4, when Robby got out of juvie, Miguel was the one who was instigating Robby and getting in the middle of his and Sams conversation at the Miyagi-Do. If Miguel had stayed out of it and let him and Sam talk privately to clear up the misunderstandings and to calm him down, he wouldn't have tried going after Miguel.
It really aggravates me how most of the people who watch the fight automatically blame and hate on Robby for ACCIDENTALLY kicking Miguel over the railing throughout the show. Then, in the show with the characters, Kreese, of all people, was the ONLY PERSON who even acknowledged to Robby that he was the one who tried to descalate the fight to began with and it was Miguel who attacked him.
I love both Robby AND Miguel. But I feel that Robby's character barely ever gets an understanding of his side of things and just always wants to paint him the bad guy. Even when Miguel has done some pretty messed up stuff himself. Or how most of Robby's life he always felt he came 2nd with his mom sleeping around/addiction, Johnny has failed him from the day he was born and mostly left him abandoned and now all of a sudden he's being more of a dad to Miguel who's not his son and has a really close relationship with him and then with Sam he felt he came 2nd again to Miguel.
A lot of peoples comments when it comes to the school fight they always say,
"Miguel giving Robby mercy."
Why would Robby trust Miguel giving him mercy when the last time they fought, Robby extended mercy/respect, and Miguel used it for his advantage to hurt him more in that tournament by yanking down his injured shoulder in-between rounds. If it wasn't for Miguel playing dirty during the match, Robby could have won. The sad thing is Robby was using ONLY ONE arm and almost won against Miguel.
The Miguel stans always bring up that he stopped and said, "Sorry." Ummm, like, did Y'all not see that Robby was the one that tried to protect Sam by holding off Tory and clearly said to the girls that "we can figure a way to work this out", and then Miguel came in and attacked him, which escalated the school fight. (Oh, and in the school fight, Miguel was ONLY fighting Robby no one else. But, Robby had to fight off multiple Cobra Kai students while also fighting Miguel).
Then, through that WHOLE fight, Miguel kept throwing digs at Robby about his relationship with Johnny and then with Sam. Miguel kept instigating Robby throughout that fight, which only fueled his anger and adrenaline, and then out of nowhere when Miguel already got Robby wiled up at the last quick second, Miguel decided to be sorry... I bet you because of the amount of adrenaline that was running through Robby and the tunnel vision, he didn't hear the "I'm sorry." You could see as SOON Robby realized that he kicked Miguel over the railing he didn't mean for that part to happen by the look on his face. The only reason he ran was because he was a scared kid.
Dont get me wrong, I love Johnny and Miguel's relationship, BUT I wish Johnny would have those open heart talks and had put in an actual effort with Robby to earn that trust he wouldn't get heartbroken again, his actual son. His mom, Shannon, finally did it she changed and SHOWED Robby that she was going to be better, and she did. She got herself help and got healthy. She earned his trust back because she put in the work. She finally puts him first by being his mom.
Johnny ALWAYS puts Miguel 1st ahead of Robby EVERY. SINGLE. TIME... It breaks my heart for him. So, anytime Robby confronted Johnny, I'm 100% on his side.
Miguel has the support with his mom and grandmother, where Robby basically had to support himself with his mom always doing her own thing and a dad who was a deadbeat for most of his life. Daniel was the 1st positive support system he ever had in his life, who looked out for his best interest and gave him attention. I've been a Robby support from day 1.
Robby, Sam, Hawk, Demetri, and Moon are my favorite characters.
Robby, Hawk, and Sam are my favorite teen fighters to watch because I love those three individual styles of fighting.
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I like the Tommy and Jason comparison with Miguel and Robby. It’s funny because I remember seeing a Cobra Kai Mighty Morphin comparison post where it compared the rangers to the main core
Robby and Miguel are equel but the miguel fans wont exepct it but your right there equel i love Robby so dont hate Miguel fans 😂
@@merlingloser2931 I don’t hate Miguel fans it’s just hard to debate with them 😂
The List was so great bro😭😭until you said Barns is beating Johnny and Daniel when bro hasn’t trained in ages but you put Shawn Lower than his own Lil brother Kenny. lol Cmon gang
@@robtheservantof6257 😂😂the only reason he’s lower is because everyone else has training that’s the only reason
Nah johnny ten times better than mike in s6
You could make the argument that Hawk won because Robby got distracted. But even before he got distracted by Kenny. You can’t deny that Hawk was giving Robby a serious problem. You can see throughout the fight Robby was getting slightly frustrated because Hawk was pressing him.
@@MariNoLimit64 yeah the fight was definitely difficult from both sides honestly but I do think Robby started holding back unfortunately which is one of my main issues with the show when it comes to his character
The guy you thought was young Sato name is Dennis he was one of Silver’s goons in the KK3 I think Robby is slightly better than Miguel because I doubt that Miguel would have the nerve to back talk Silver like Robby did
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That guy is one of mike’s goons in kk3. iirc he doesnt show any fighting scenes but i may be wrong
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😂 But... Watch out Robby fanboys are gonna cry in the comment section that Robby is a better fighter than Miguel (With only one victory against Miguel). Always *Miguel > Robby*
Robby fanboys? Miguel fans are the ones constantly telling everyone he's the best fighter. They're the ones who are fanboys. Robby kicked Miguel's ass this season. Once Robby knew Tory was okay and was there to support him, he went into God Mode and scored three back to back points on Miguel. Miguel literally couldn't even touch Robby for three back to back rounds. Robby handed Miguel his ass
@@dangamer8884 If Miguel fans saying Miguel is a better fighter... They justify that with Miguel's Winning streak & improvement in his level of skills even after that Fatal Spine injury. But Robby won one f***ing Fight between Miguel Vs Robby after 6 seasons that too as a consolation prize for the constant defeat. But now Robby fans are saying Robby went "God Mode" 🤣 like he is better than Miguel!
Bro is not on to anything and let me explain why:
1. The past fights don't even really matter. Robby beat miguel in s6. Now he is the strongest fighter right now (for now).
2. The amount of fights that were in Miguel's favor were unreal. In s1 at the tournament robby was fighting with ONE ARM (basically) and miguel was targeting his weak spot for points. If robby was healthy he Beats miguel. 1-0 for robby. In s2 this is a fair fight and even though miguel technically lost it was only because he showed mercy so it's 1 to 1. The next time they fight is in s5 this was also a clean fight no excuses miguel wins 2 to 1 for miguel. S6 another clean fight referees and everything. ROBBY HAD A MENTAL NERF AND LOST TWOOOO POINTSSS. Luckily he locked in got 3 points on miguel CONSECUTIVELY. So there overall record is really 2 to 2 even though I could've been mean and compared them by each season (so basically I could've gave robby points for s3 even though miguel is basically crippled at the time.)
3. Lastly what robby fan boys? Hawk is my favorite teen character first of all and second we all know miguel is the most favored teenager in the show. If you make one of those youtube polls asking who is your favorite CK teen, and let's say the options are Robby, Hawk, Kwon, and Demetri PEOPLE ARE STILL GONNA GO IN THE COMMENTS AND SPAM MIGUEL. In fact you'd probably spam miguel. So tell me who's the fanboy?
@@dangamer8884I agree
@@palomao8949 One.. Yes I'm Miguel Fanboy. But I'm not a spammer and i don't write essays unlike some other fanboys 😏 to prove that their fav char is the strongest teen in the show.
Young Johnny should be S tier alongside young Chozen. You’re forgetting that Johnny did not train at all after leaving Cobra Kai at the end of KK1 which mean young Johnny had the same skills as adult Johnny from season 1.
You can’t really say Miguel and Robby are equal when Miguel ultimately won the majority of their fights just like how Robby won the majority of his fights with Hawk.
Johnny steadily improved as the series went on so it’s not hard to believe that he can beat Barnes. In fact. Kreese stated how Johnny was his best student and kept hyping how skilled Johnny was. Johnny, with the same skill set as his teenage self fought and beat Kreese in S2E1 fight and against in S3E10 fight (Until Robby intervened and stopped him). Daniel only ever beat Kreese or Silver only after someone else already fought and beat them such as Johnny or Chozen. Johnny fought 5 guys alone, including the guy he fought 2v1 alongside Chozen. So Johnny being a better fighter than Barnes is not hard to believe at all.
Young Johnny wasn’t in the clear mindset against Daniel in KK1. He lost the girl he loved to Daniel and was being told to cheat when he didn’t want to. You can see Johnny’s reaction to Kreese telling him to attack Daniel’s leg; Johnny gave Daniel the trophy and congratulated him after the fight.
Also that Asian kid beat Bert in their fight in season 2 yet you put him in trash and Bert at Mid?
This time I do not agree with you so much about Miguel and Robby, I am a fan of both, but for me Miguel is superior, he almost became paraplegic and still knew how to get ahead, the problem is that Miguel learned from Cobra Kai, Migayi Do and Eagle Fang, and Robby when he was in Cobra Kai and was in his prime could not even win the All Valley because he only sabotaged himself with the mistakes he made (season 4) and let himself be manipulated, that is why I empathize more with Miguel, and for me this fight between Robby and Miguel season 6, the writers made it so predictable that Robby was going to win, Robby won because they made Miguel distracted and with the thought of college, but I do not accept the idea that when Miguel was winning 2 points and out of nowhere by the power of love Robby came back 3 points in a row just because Tori appeared? For me, the best and fairest fight between Robby and Miguel was in season 5 in the fight on the terrace. They were both focused and yet Miguel was a thousand times superior. If you don't believe me, watch the entire fight again. In short, for me, the real captains should have been Miguel and Tori, and the fact that Robby and Sam were captains seems like a convenience to the script.
@@lusy03362 I’ve watched the fight recently and no Miguel wasn’t vastly superior the fight was going back and forth the whole time then Miguel got the edge once they went to the top floor. Also the season 6 fight Robby was also unfocused because he was worried about Tory and once she showed up he was able to focus. Why is it when Miguel loses people always bring context into it but when Hawk or Robby loses they don’t get the same treatment. Cobra Kai and eagle fang was pretty much the same thing with a different name so Robby is just as skilled as Miguel and I’d say the same for Hawk.
Btw I respect your opinion this is just friendly debate
But yes that's why Robby won , he was concentrated on seeing Tori, and Miguel wasn't focused he was focused on something else and that's why Robby won although I don't see the point of him taking 3 points in a row the truth but each to his own, but in comparison in the Miguel vs Robby fight in season 5 the two were mentally focused and still in the end Miguel had the lead and was superior and no, Eagle Fang and Cobra Kai are similar but they have different points and as I say to you for me Robby is not superior enough to Miguel because Robby didn't even win the all valley being in Cobra Kai and he was in his own prime
I’m just saying that if they’re going to make Robby win, let it be when Miguel or his opponent is in the same conditions that Robby will be and that they are focussed and not that they make another script conviction, because it was too obvious that they were going to make Robby win in this last fight, the script itself makes you emphasise it
And speaking of hawk, they nerfed a hawk several times, because it’s impossible that Kenny and Dimitri have beaten hawk, it doesn’t make sense, that’s what I mean those script convictions, I just hope that Tori and Miguel win the sekai taikai, they deserve it
@@lusy03362 that doesn’t work because if we use that logic then Miguel only won in season 1 because Robby had a dislocated shoulder he wasn’t at full strength. The school fight imo they both lost and season 4 Robby lost because the plot, if he hadn’t gotten distracted by the Kenny thing he could’ve easily got that sudden death point on Hawk. The only fight where Miguel and Robby fought full out was season 5 I don’t get your point about Miguel being superior because the fight was going either way before they went upstairs. Eagle fang is pretty much Cobra Kai except they show mercy
I don’t think Hawk was nerfed this season he lost to demitri because they were going through that whole college thing I didn’t really like that plot
@@lusy03362 why should Miguel be the one to win and not Robby or Hawk?
I just don’t get it people say Miguel and Robby or equal when Robby has only won ones 😂😂
Love me some cobra kai
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Okay I have a serious question…. Why do people think Miguel is the best teen fighter on the show? I just don’t see it. Do I think he’s great? Yes but do I think he’s just so superior compared to Robby and Hawk? No
Miguel could be better but even so, he is roughly equal to Robby and Hawk and each of them would have an almost equal chance of winning if they fought
@TajReacts I don't know man people just have a lot of favoritism towards him😭
@@palomao8949 yea I’ve noticed lol I guess I’ll never understand the hype
Miguel,Robby, and Hawk are some of the best fighters on the show,Miguel is better than Hawk and Robby.
@@IsaiahPatterson21 how though?
I don’t know, I still think that Miguel is superior, if he had not had mercy in the fight season 2 and season 5 Robby would be out
@@Pablito-fi1ip but Robby wasn’t going full out either in those fights you can tell they both were holding back especially because of what happened last time I just don’t get the whole Miguel being the best fighter on the show thing I don’t see it. I think Robby, Hawk and Miguel are all equal.
I understand that for you they are all the same and it is valid but for me, Miguel has more experience he first started karate with Johnny, and before he was the protagonist :( without Johnny or without Miguel there would be no show , but if you feel that the three are the same, well it is valid
@@Pablito-fi1ip well actually Johnny is the protagonist of Cobra Kai not Miguel and he wasn’t training for that long before everyone else started training Robby and Hawk started like right after him and Sam was already trained so does that make her the best fighter?
Sam learned karate since she was a child by Daniel, she didn’t have a reason in general and then left it, Miguel had a reason to continue learning karate and continue to be better
shawn in mid??? he was fighting on the same level with robby if not only a lil lower
Good list but in my opinion kenny should be on s tier he's only 13 and he was one of the best fighters of the show he already beated even tough hawk got nerfed a bit and he almost beated robby in the dojo fight
@@stingkrisp the only reason he’s not S is because he doesn’t have the experience the others have but other than that I understand why you would put him up there
Bro Kenny's in highschool he's at least 14 or 15. Especially with the growth spurt he got this season😂
@@palomao8949 Kenny is a grown man now 😂
@@palomao8949 I ment in s5 not s6
Bert is God teir
Great list. I do think you should of put Kyler in good tier and Anthony should be in mid tier since he got a little better in S6 Part 1.
@@chosenvader I’ll agree with Kyler but even though Anthony got better he’s still mid in my opinion lol
I fw yo channel tough ash 💯 why yeen finish all American?
W list but don’t be sleeping on rickenburger like dat he was tuff in season 3
@@Nev.horton1 lol I barely remember him
The Shawn disrespect is crazy. Bro mopped Robby for months.
@@nathanpugh7198 but Robby has has way more training since then and he beat Shawn after he stopped holding back
I definitely gotta watch KK2 and KK3 fr cus I can't believe u put mike Barnes before Johnny and Danny boy
@@goonpaid9319 Mike Barnes was crazy lol Daniel realistically shouldn’t have won that fight. Definitely go watch them
@@TajReacts But why do you think Mike as a boy is stronger than Mike today?
@@FedericoSudarminbecause mike stopped training when he was old. if he trained for like a season or two then he would be better.
The writers be glazing Johnny so much bro be winning fights he ain’t supposed to win Chozen and Mike make him look like a joke. I get it the story and plot armor and all that but bro it’s at the point now they doing too much 😂 Johnny ain’t all that Chozen and Mike superior I’d say Daniel and Johnny probably the same level and when Daniel beat Silver… ehh idk
@@Timothy___ oh I 💯 agree with you like that Mike Barnes fight was cool but when he gave up I was like wtf that’s it!?
What’s the Tommy and Jason reference? I want to check that show/movie out
@@Timothy___ it was a Power Rangers reference
Good list switch Tory with Sam 😂
Kim sun yung and miyagi in god tier
L young krease take, god tier, killed his leader
Miguel> Robby street fight
Robby > Miguel Point match
STOP They are equal
@@FedericoSudarmin I agree
@@TajReacts Thank you ❤️
Once Robbie stopped worrying about Tory and got focused, Miguel couldn't even touch him for three back to back rounds. Robbie kicked his ass.
@@dangamer8884 Literally there was an interview please catch up, THE CREATOR of cobra Kai said Miguel was also unfocused from the beginning, only Miguel had Sam and Robby didn't, that's why he did those two points easily, while when Tory returned Robby managed to concentrate instead Miguel remained unfocused and left Balance off (the creator said it not me), in any case Miguel has always been stronger in fights without points (street fight) and Robby in point matches (even in season 1 for me Robby would have won that tournament) so they are equal, winning a point fight doesn't make you stronger, Daniel defeated Johnny in kk1 but probably in street fight Johnny would have killed him like he said on cobra Kai.
@@dangamer8884 In fact if you look closely at the fight you see Miguel literally throwing blows without thinking and he always attacked without hesitation it's as if he wanted to finish immediately but this made him lose
miguel is better them everyone he fight 4 times with robby win 3 and he fight 2 times with hawk win 1 and hurt in the other so he is the best teen fighter
Why is Bobby and Tommy at mid
i dont think mike whould beat johny
Half the list was a bit glazing
Finish obx
Only problem with lists, I think young Johnny, Daniel and kreese are above the kids now
@@Bigramt I think the kids at this point are better than young Daniel and Johnny. Also unfortunately we didn’t get to see Johnny at his best because he was only in the first movie
no.
@@TajReacts that's fair
I'm biased growing up as a kid in the 80s, so will ways favour the originals.
@@BigramtIk its hard to accept but By S5 The top students like Miguel Robby Hawk Sam and Tory are above the Sensei’s they have been stated by Daniel to be on the same skill level. Daniel specifically states to Sam That She is extremely relative to him in skill and We saw that The same Daniel who Sam is relative too Basically mopped the floor with Terry who beat Johny and Chozen