America Needs To Admit How Racist It Is | The Problem With Jon Stewart Podcast with Bryan Stevenson
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2024
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Jon talks to Bryan Stevenson, civil rights lawyer and founder of Equal Justice Initiative, about how racism has poisoned America from the very start. The good news is he has some ideas about how we can reckon with our past and repair the damage it continues to do - and he also definitely thinks he’s better looking than Michael B. Jordan, who played him in “Just Mercy.”
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“We live in a country that treats you better if you’re rich and guilty than if you’re poor and innocent” that’s a powerful reality.
You do realize that's coming from a rich, white guy right?😂😂😂😂
Only morons let celebrities make them feel guilty about dumb shit they never did.
Yes. Therefore justice is NOT blind. It sees wealth/power and kneels before both.
True
Message!!
Yep. Oligarchy
"You can't stick a knife in my back 9 inches, pull it out 6 inches, and call that progress" - Malcolm X. True progress, as Bryan points out, happens when we address the harm that was done when the discrimination was legal.
As a Black man I struggle to explain to anyone who has not been persecuted in the same manner as Black America what is fair: equal and equitable. I struggle to explain why we (persons who fight for justice) don't just move.
Somehow leaders come along and wrap it up three sentences or less.
"Instead of honoring this sacred obligation, America has given it's colored people a bad check, I checked his comeback marked "insufficient funds." But we refuse to believe if a bank of justice is bankrupt. We refuse to believe that there are insufficient funds and the great vaults of opportunity in this nation." - Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.
"Black Lives Matter (the statement) isn't racist it is bringing attention to the harm done to one race in particular. If your house catches fire and the Fire Department comes you don't run into the street and yell "all houses matter"." - paraphrased from an unknown Black Lives Matter activist
I could go all day with these phrases that cut straight to the heart of the matter. Zero fat, all fact, nothing to debate.
Great discussion of highly critical topics
The system. "It’s not broken. It was built this way. It was built to oppress. It was built to control. It was built for profit. It was built for political gain and power. It lives off of us." Ava Duvernay
The oppressed system is not only forced in place in America but has a rippling effect like a powerful tsunami all around the globe, that allow people to carry on the slave trade in the form of modern slavery.
Has he ever used John Nash's brilliant mathematics for equilibrium problem solving?
I’ve always resisted that theory, but it’s true! Hello, light bulb moment! Maybe there’ll be an architect that will redesign it so it works for us all.
It is shameful that most people haven't figured out these truths..😏
Well said
This is one of the most heartfelt, sincere conversations about race relations in the USA that I've ever heard.
Jon and Bryan, thank you for sharing.
@the more you know The SAME OL- STATEMENTS, THE SAME OL' SONG ... ALL THE WAY BACK TO FREDRICK DOUGLAS ... IT JUST SHOWS HOW SLOW THE BRAINS of the GENERAL PUBLIC TRULY IS IN THIS COUNTRY ... TIRED & SAD!!!!!
@@habibahas13 I understand where you're coming from. I am black and sometimes I think "Com'n not that historical figure again". It can be exhausting. However, it's all about taming the very society you're living in and this one is witnessing the rise of White Supremacy which is the biggest domestic threat at this point. You don't even have to look it up on the US Department of Homeland and Security to understand that. Don't get tired man, that's exactly what those little Hitler Blitz Krieg assholes want. Every time the name Frederick Douglas pops up some of them will die inside
@the more you know I don't think Jon is a racist. You may try to run full-speed into a wall though. Just checking if the brain can be revived
@the more you know just keep repeating it 🤣. What is Jon Stewart supposed to do? 😀
@the more you know a 2 months troll account with brain malfunction crying about Jon. I have something to cure that though
There is really no way to overstate how brilliant and important this discussion is. It doesn't get better than this.
The faces the faces of the children yeah the faces of the children we can’t see them they covered up with masks that say on the back of the box this mask will not protect you from any virus
@@BobMonty99 you okay? 🤣
Sadly, you're right. Not on this channel, at any rate.
@@Occam31 clearly he’s not
Wow I feel bad for you. Maybe listen again. This is an A+++++++ conversation.
Thank you so much for this. I am a 67 year old white Canadian male and honestly after the 60's we thought we be in such a different place. Breaks my heart but so glad this story is being re told.
The children of 1960s were the biggest sellouts. Look at what most of them turned into by the 1980s & 1990s.
It’s always brilliant to listen to Stevenson. He should receive the Nobel peace prize.
I agree, it's has been a pleasure listening to the show. 😊 I'm so glad I tuned in.
The story about the museum and the jars of soil, the woman and the man digging together brought tears to my eyes. What a beautiful story, I wish everyone in the world could hear that story.
Thank you for your comments, my daughter is married to a white man my family had a problem because we have been " woke " but we love him because he loves her. We now know that we are the true Hebrew Israelites and after all the lies, lynchings, murders, kidnappings and rape we as so called "black, African Americans " have endured in America and our babies feed to alligators we never knew why GOD would allow this without avenging us. We now know that JESUS was sent only to the house of Israel and to know that in deuteronomy 28:68 and starting from deuteronomy 28:1 which states that we were going to be brought back to Egypt in ships to be bought and sold, working in the fields, our children taking away, fathers leaving their children because of the curses, and the government allowed " blacks, aka Hebrew Israelites " assistance for food and housing only if you don't have any men in your household, my mom and aunts told me stories about when the department of children and family services would pop up at your home, they would check your closets and dresser drawers to see if there were any men clothes there and if they found anything you were immediately cut off your foodstamps and evicted from your housing allotment. The school's were given 5 yrs old text books, so you couldn't properly educate our youths, the unemployment rate was 80 percent, so we couldn't depend on our men to help take care of the kids they fathered so instead of helping the " black families stay together, like during slavery, they assisted in tearing them apart. Divide and conquer, the ideology of C.R.T is to hide what they've done to undermine any reparations that they promised. They gave the Japanese reparations after Hiroshima but America has murdered triple of people during slavery and pre colonialism, all the native Americans, and Hispanics that they took to all those islands from Africa, it's mindblowing, the demonic intentions that they had. In revelations GOD says. I will oppress those who have oppressed them and their descendants because we were taught that all is FORGIVEN but the bible clearly says differently. Love thy neighbor, he was talking about the Israelites and the entire bible was written for and about the Israelites and the bible is clear and precise about these issues. The bible also says " I know the blasphemy of them who say they are jews and aren't but are from the synagogue of SATAN. Like the jews that are in Jerusalem now, biblically the true Israelites aren't suppose to be in Israel until JESUS comes back. They lied about his name calling him " JESUS, lied his identity, having the world think he was of caucasian decent, portraying an image of the Pope's nephew as "JESUS" and all the prophets and characters of the bible depicted as ,"white" when it was scientifically impossible for caucasians to survive in that region, saying they built the pyramids in that heat without melanin. They took out exodus, deuteronomy and revelations and replaced them with a bible called the "slave bible " now displayed in Washington d
C. I thank GOD that they tried hiding their evil works, with C.R.T. because now every site that discussed African American history is now viral. If you hide something it makes people want to see it even more. I've learned so much in this passed yr. And to know in thier ancestors arrogance they documented everything, from how AFRICA was named AFRICA, to every slave ship's captain and owner to where the slaves came to every phone tap the F.B.I. recorded and who they recorded, MARTIN LUTHER KING, MALCOLM X, FRED HAMMOND, ROBERT KENNEDY AND how the C.I.A orchestrated the their murders, now malcolm x's family is suing those organizations. GOD hasn't forgotten and until there's retribution for the kidnapped Africans there won't be peace. They are still not giving us peace, killing us in the streets, and there isn't any history of Africans, Hispanics and native Americans who are of the 10 lost tribes ever bringing violence to white America but the history of caucasians bringing violence to us all over the plant is vass like king Leopold cutting out the limbs of Africans, millions of them and putting them in zoo's across Europe, I can't wait until GOD avenges us until then , people like you are rising up and saying enough is enough. #iuic# Hebrew to negros # wfi baltimore Israelites # sicarii
Same! A beautiful story about the healing that can happen when we accept the truth of our past and present, work to reckon with it, and reconcile.
I just went to the museum this weekend. I was in tears. It was really well done
And mine. Beautiful and sad and everything all at once.
Thank you, Jon, for having Bryan Stevenson on your show. He IS truly lovely. So brilliant, yet gracious and when the two of you are articulating your thoughts it gives me great hope for our country and the world.
It doesn’t give me hope at all because for the most part you don’t find people this Scholarly gracious compassionate and objective and they’re thinking. It seems people nowadays are illiterate reactionary and prejudice for the most part
This is hands-down one of the greatest talks I've ever been witness to. I smiled, I cried, I learned. I will remember.
YT-Channel Some More News and Wisecrack have covered Racism and just in general 'Americas Issues' extremly well.
Yeah: going from being unable to speak about it (without massive negative retaliation) to having an open discussion of it in this limited forum feels like having climbed the mountain, eh?
& we're any further ahead? Jon _CAN_ push the discussion further. But he doesn't know how. No one seems capable of figuring out what's in the way of that.
Anti-Whites think they are BRILLIANT because they have never stepped outside of their echo chamber - even a novice pro-White would make short work of either of these anti-whites in a debate.
@@choosecarefully408 White fragility n resentment is in the way of it. Yes it is awesome we have a small place in society where we can discuss this but these places aren't where the discussions are needed. As long as we keep passing laws like in Florida or OK, etc where teachers are NOT allowed to teach real American history n not have to pretend that we have always been this high moral beacon of light on a hill instead of how gross n dark our history truly is then we will never move forward. As long as they put white kids feelings above actual education it won't change. If we can't understand why white kids feel uncomfortable or guilty just from learning our history then we can't help the problem. When most public schools are only allowed to teach black history, which is American history, 1 month out of the year then nothing will change. When we have so many ppl who tell us we hate our country just for acknowledging it's pretty horrible history n how things were founded n built n ppl were put into caste systems then we will always lag behind. We called socialists bc we admit our history can be dark n the American dream was a fallacy. To be an American patriot u gotta fall for the "dream" propaganda. I don't see it as teaching kids to hate their country. I see it as teaching real history so as to not repeat it n learn from it. The discussions need to happen in schools n in our govt. We have to have leaders who will say no we were never "great" for all but we can strive to be n to progress towards greatness for all n to making the American dream an attainable dream for all ppl
The story he told around 38 minutes brought tears to my eyes 💯powerful words..... Truth has to be told and ears have to be open
WE HAVE TO TALK
complicity of silence is acceptance = reality, my reality of these United States is that because of my hue I cry each time a life is thwarted in prison or stolen by angry policing BEcause it could HAVE been ME. My child, My relative, My soul silenced. at this older age I still wonder when will My HUMANITY be SEEN and ACCEPTED.
Brought tears to my eyes also.
I’m in tears too. 😭
I bet you are blk
@@charlenef7138well said sir
I honestly don't know how much more plain or simpler you can put this to make people understand. Bryan does an outstanding job to make it clear to all. I love the work that EJI and many others are doing to bring repair and healing. The KEY: being "intentional." Thank you Jon and Bryan for this most crucial interview. Praying that those who continue to wonder why we have a problem in the US and those who continue to walk in denial or say it's the past, will listen up! Get intentional people. 🙏🏾❤️✝️
“The North won the war, but The south won the narrative war” im having an Oprah AH-HA moment here! So many great points. Thank you very much for the thoughts to think on!
Yo believe this is to live in a pseudo reality, otherwise known as clinical psychosis
PRIMARY DOCUMENT
U. D. C. Catechism for Children (1904)
SUMMARY
In this U. D. C. Catechism for Children, published in 1904 for a Texas chapter of the United Daughters of the Confederacy and later republished in Staunton, Cornelia Branch Stone provides a Lost Cause interpretation of the American Civil War (1861-1865) through a question-and-answer format intended for rote memorization.
Author: Caroline Branch Stone
Transcription Source: Amy L. Heyse, Teachers of the Lost Cause: The United Daughters of the Confederacy and the Rhetoric of Their Catechisms. PhD Diss., University of Maryland, 2006, 262-269.
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yes thats why blacks are over 3 times more represented on TV than their population % and almost every advertisement now is of multi-racial couples where the dad is still around? You all live in an ECHO CHAMBER or something, you cant be THAT absent-minded of the world around you
The South's ideology was shared by the country. The false narrative was that the North was better and actually cared. Remember the reperations that were supposed to go to Black people went to the same White people that held them as slaves in the first place. Those benefits were given to the South from the North despite the whole succession + war. Thats when we got all those you need to be contracted to farm but you dont make enough money to live and you take loans but if you miss a day or cant pay the loans then you get jailed or killed anyway. That was on top of resource segregation, rape, sun down towns, "race riots" and further reasons to not trust your average white citizens.
I haven't finished it, but "white Rage" by Carol Anderson Talks about this. Even in it's opening chapters. This sentiment is even more true than we may think.
Abraham Lincoln was still against putting Blacks and Whites on equal footing, the the North fought to end Slavery.
And that, kind of explains the attitude that MLK called out in the 60's. Of the "white moderates," who "agree with us, but not how we get there."
The North won the war, we thought it was over. When MLK spoke, we thought it was over. When Obama got in, we thought it was over. And yet, here we are.
Cause the South didnt lose everything. And weren't the only ones who were racist.
The only way to beat the southern narrative, is learning what both the Northern and Southern narratives tried to hide. And then using that knowledge to make the exact opposite policies. To make a promise that we manage not to break this time.
And Idk if we are there, yet
Thank you Bryan Stevenson and Jon Stewart! Heather McGhee book The Sum of Us presents a great argument for why ending racism is in everyone's interest.
Just finished her book, learned so much and I hear her in all these discussions.
I’m tired of trying to get people to see what we go through I’m done I’m done.
Canada has a Truth & Reconciliation Commission to address the horrors of how our Indigenous people were treated. It's been heart wrenching and emotional. Worth every tear
I didn't know that. I was reading "Caste" when I learned all that Germany had done to recognize their wrongs. Just learning of the sympathy that the average German citizen (even the children) has present day amazed me wholeheartedly. America could learn so much from that.
Truth and reconciliation sounds good, but what has been done to actually address the consequences of that inhumane treatment. Talk is cheap!
South Africa 🇿🇦 had the truth and reconciliation Commission in the early 90s
@@napoleonruss1528 it's all talk trust me, it achieved nothing in South Africa just empty banging drums full of bunch of noise
@@nkululekonazo5755 and it was all talk achieved nothing in my opinion
wow, what a lovely story Bryan told about that woman digging soil. Opening dialogue between person to person, not through news media, is the only way to improve our country.
Why have we never made even one attempt to have a genuine "Truth and Reconciliation Commission" in this country ? Is it because of that "Truth" part ? It may not be the "only way" but it is "a" way to take at least one step forward. If you don't have a great deal of wealth and power could you please explain to the rest of us how the truth will harm you ?
This interview should be nominated for an Emmy.
It was good but I do not appreciate (and I really respect Stevenson) how Bryan basically dodged a legit economics reparations conversation that JON was trying to set up. I don't know why we as black DOS do that even in the presence of a white person that is so clearly supportive of it! It's frustrating to see how often this happens. Bryan wants to only stick to the issue of "narrative" when a more substantive and less "touchy feely" conversation about people's resentment and emotions (which I admit are a huge part of U.S. race politics) could have been had(And I really respect Jon for trying to steer it in that direction). As a black person, it is so frustrating to fellow black DOS(who are highly visible) folks do this over and over again when they have a legit chance to have the economic justice discussion.
They both also fell for the Atlanta okie doke. Atlanta is awesome (I'm from.GA) but a lot of the black excellence is not accompanied by real black wealth (you may have more blacks with high salaries but that is not the same as wealth) so much of Atlanta is a fascade because it is a pretty city that makes poverty and lower middle class life for black folks look better than it does elsewhere. They both missed the mark on that one. Bryan failed to recognized that the "Atlanta project" has been compromised long ago and the Jon really thought it was a model. I think people need to see the wealth and poverty stats there to recognize what ATL really is. It's doing the best with the hand we were dealt but sans reparations in addition to some of what Bryan advocated for, even the fascade will be discovered to be unsustainable.
Yes, how do we do this?
OH, IF THERE WAS ONLY SOLUTIONS TO BIG ISSUES
Like Homeless People and No-Knock-Raids or Drug-Overusage or Such-and-Such.
Oh, if RUclipsr Some More News only had come up with really good Solutions.
TRUTH!!!
True Bryan C. dodged the economic question, which, in an hour long convo is probably fair to talk about. Still he had a lot of good lines I enjoyed this.
What a great interview, loved every second of it. Thank you Jon introducing this brilliant Bryan Stevenson to us who have not heard of him before.
Yes he is, and he’s humble which makes him easy to listen to! 😌
Check him out, he’s a beautiful Brother who means good to MANKIND my friend.
Well stated. The brother is brilliant and articulate.
He did a TED talk like 10 years ago.
Yea, well this light skin guy gets a lot more privilege in his life than darker-skinned brothers. Some things he may not really comprehend like black people don't need to take it back to slavery to talk about the racist issues in this country. We all know white people see that sht as original sin so it just ends up into dividing them into 2 groups one which is annoying and trying to get black approval and the other being resentful. I want the normal white guy to understand racism and see the factual nature of it, Then reparations can happan. The Japanese got it, the natives got it. Its time for it
This is one of the most intelligent and rational conversations I have ever heard on the subject of racism in America. It deserves to be listen to by many many people of all races economic classes and locations in the United States and elsewhere. I have forwarded the conversation to friends and family and I asked that they give it a complete 55 minutes of their time to get the full nourishment feeling given in this conversation.
I do believe that we can, Black/White, can come together and deal with racism. Looking at Jon and Bryan and listening to them, also reading the replies warm my ❤ so I'm going to keep HOPE ALIVE.😊
I was just on another stream, bemoaning the lack of nuance and complexity in modern media - hell in general intellectual discourse. Jon, and guests like Mr Stevenson help me realize there are some around willing to take the difficult path. Bravo
The path less travelled??
"Some More News" and "Wisecrack" have covered Racism and just in general 'Americas Issues' extremly well.
They don’t want us to see this. When I say “they” I mean all media, both sides. They want us at each other’s throats. This should be required viewing.
Watch Rogan man, he gets a bad rap but he gets some interesting people on. Leaps and bounds better than anything else out there
@@martinalcaraz-gomez9799
Rogan is OK but he is a bit too narrow with his interviews, always leaning the same way, to the same topics, "do you like pot, what about mushrooms...do you think aliens exist, life in other planets"
When John brings up the efficiency stuff I cheered. I've long held that America is working on an "extra people" hypothesis, where we seem to think it's ok for a certain number of our citizens to simply fail and that wont have any consequences for the rest of us. We've got 350 million (ish?) people look at other major nations. We don't have the bodies that China and company have. We need everyone to be as successful and strong as possible if we're going to compete.
That's too expensive to let it be handled by the Government. If there is a Profit in it, or you can "Teach" people your personal view as facts, that's when "Trump Universities" emerge. Private schools, or Institutes with an Agenda, teach with different priorities. You might get a "commonly accepted" education, But it is not guaranteed.(will still cost a fortune though) And if you teach racial/gender equality, you will sooner or later be attacked for it. Just on the basis of: "In my time we learnt that differently". Or "you know what they said about...(insert discimination) in my school".
It's nice to say nice things. But if you had any clue at all you would realize how brainless your comment is.
@@Gunni1972 we have enough money to change nothing about america, but give every person living here a good house, no cost education, and guaranteed income. there are people opposed to people having a easy life. they use many reasons. yours seems to be money, but it is CHEAPER to give everybody houses education and income, than the money we spend on those things now. cheaper. in every study. now it is your turn to change the goalpost to exclude people based on something else.
This sums up American and capitalist logic perfectly. You are not wrong, but it's kind of sad that economic arguments prove to be more effective than just doing the right thing for fellow humans.
The argument may have made sense to people 40 years ago. Today, humans are not seen as capital, or as having any worth at all. Nobody wants more people to be able to compete for the limited number of jobs. Just look at the southern border (of virtually any country in the Western World). The last thing anybody wants is people.
Your guest Mr Stevenson is so sharp responding to your questions, I was seriously inspired to not lose hope. Thank you for sharing the interview online! Please have him back again, if he wishes!
One of my heroes. Thank you Jon for another great interview. Love Bryan Stevenson.
I can’t wait to see Bryan Stevenson on the Supreme Court.
I took US history in Southern California for school in 2015, it’s amazing how even in a state that’s supposed to be so progressive how much history about Reconstruction and the terrifying Jim Crowe years that kids still don’t learn about.
Mr. Stevenson leads a tour of the Legacy Museum in the documentary series ‘Reconstruction: America after the Civil War’ and it’s just haunting. Recommend you give the documentary a watch on PBS if you haven’t seen it already.
Did they teach about what happened to the Native Americans in California ? Another reason why the call them white Devils
Excellent documentary
Thanks for sharing this documentary I will have to take a look at it!
"How many bubbles in a bar of soap?" "How many seeds are in a watermelon?" I would love to see these questions on Jeopardy during black history month under the category voting eligibility test during segregation? I could only imagine
What a great idea… but the word hypocrisy would have to fit in the title somewhere!😇🌎
🎤 drop
So enjoyed this. Bought several of Bryan’s book “Just Mercy” and gave them to family and friends. Excellent book but brought me to tears.
Well what’s been up cousin LOL
It’s quite a read. This man is a hero of mine.
Just imagine how much richer and healthier our country would be today if freed slaves had been given 40 acres and a mule (or the equivalent).
and then not have that 40 acres and your mules stolen...paid for with your life
Poor white folks would have said the freed slaves didn't earn 40 acres and a mule! Or there would have been blacks murdered and land robbers run amuck. For blacks to be richer and healthier at any point in American history would mean white people have left the planet.
@@yosquidd242 Yeah, there's plenty of historical precedent for that.
I'd like to imagine that, but AmeriKKKa is far too racist for the imagination.
My Grandfather and his Mother worked in a field that was owned by a white woman whose husband passed away. They worked for her for over 25 years and was told by her that upon her passing they were to inherit the land. She had one brother with whom she had no dealings with. Upon her passing, my Grandfather and My Great Grandmother we're kicked off of the property. My Grandfather told the people that he had the deed for the land inheritance. They took the papers from my Grandfather and later came back to inform him that he indeed did not own the land . The land was going to the land owners Brother, even though it was clearly inherited by my Grandfather, as the deed stated. They worked that land for over 25 years. They were told that if they didn't leave the land they'd be dragged off the land and be hung. 25 years of no pay to take care of someone else's land. The agreement was to allow My Grandparents to live on the land in return for minding the land. So, imagine having 40 acres and having it stolen from you. It was stolen from his whole family. He, his Mom, his children and grandchildren. He said he wanted to have the land for his family. Just imagine! Smdh
The problem is we have a system that thrives - requires - inequality. You can't fight the inequality directly. *You have to eliminate the **_need_** for inequality itself.*
We need more conversations like this. Thanks for coming back Jon.
RUclips brought me back to this episode (Auto play video in the background as I work) and no joke, this video is just gold. It is so sad it only has less than a million views. Such a good conversation and discussion. If anyone else is listening to this like me please comment to get this video have a second life . It deserves to be listened to for how great the discussion is.
Wow, loved this!! I live in Tulsa Oklahoma and I walk by the historic grounds where racial inequality took place...this was an amazing conversation to listen to!!! Thank you!!
Let me quickly say: You having to register for voting is just stupid by design.
Every citizen should just be registered and gets an ID that is valid for identification everywhere. You ARE registered and if you want to vote, you go and show your ID...done.
not to mention voting day is always sunday in dem. countries
Hypothetical for you. If everyone is registered, which I agree should be the norm, is there anything that can get your voting registration taken away?
@@92jwiener Expatriation, convicted of treason, that's it.
@@92jwiener I would say no. Even prisoners should have the right to vote.
@@92jwiener I dont see a reason why, outside of giving up citizenship or gross negligence on your part of keeping your ID/info up to date.
I did not understand how brave my mother was, until I was much older and and realized what it took for her to send my brothers to participate in the marches that presented such a clear and present danger to the participants! My respect for her increases daily!
Bryan is such an incredible human being. So wonderful to hear more from him.
When we do the hard work, there’s something that feels more like freedom waiting for us on the other side.
That touched my heart this morning. Thank you Bryan and Jon for this conversation.
One of the better interviews you've done here. This guy is great, needs to be a guest tv appearances everywhere.
For pushing the loony leftist narrative that all whites and only whites are racist? No thanks
@@loopy7057 lol...you should try watching the video.
@@brianwelsch2418 what do you think I did? You think I am wrong?
@@loopy7057 can you provide a specific place in the video where this was said? Cause that could prove your point.
@@tanjianforever he is echoing the same talking points of Leftists who say exactly what I said.
Excellent discussion. When the civil rights laws were passed, society said, "Well, that's over," and walked away, without addressing the harm that had been done. And now even the laws are losing effect.
Jon Stewart is one of my favorite people ❤️ Bryan Stevenson thank you so much for this discussion it was definitely needed and heartfelt ❤️
This needs to be showed in every school, office and university.
Shown. Is it still illegal to teach y'all English where you're from?
@@jumantewashington8715 Stay on topic. No need to be sassy
Why have I never heard of this man before? Great discussion, This truly needs to be on primetime
He is great for sure. See his Ted Talks!
It is a good discussion.
His book 'Just Mercy' was made into a movie. Great Book, Great Movie. You can probably watch it here on RUclips.
They got a whole movie about this man! Catch up!
Well Ronald I was in the same boat as you; but now we know of Bryan Stevenson! The internet again shows is tremendous ability for good!! Now let's share our good fortune with some family and friends and move that needle!!
This is immensely thought provoking. Thank you for putting it out here
An open, calm and civil discourse on a topic so many won't hear.
This was one of the greatest discussions of this modern era. I wish this was taking place in prime time tv and viewed by millions.
This is a very comprehensive and engaging discussion that all of us, in our nation, should be having. This would go a long way to begin making the changes that are needed to put an end to poverty, crime, racism, violence, etc. Jon and Bryan are able to communicate these issues in the way we wish we could all express them. Gentlemen, thank you so much.
All that needs to happen is everyone be responsible for themselves&Stop making excuses, OH this or that,everything is responsible but instead of the blame game to weasel out why you were arrested, or why you do illegal shit,or just anything 🤔 start looking within that's when change comes.libs are the most racist, elitist pieces of crap
@@terraraemihaljevic9179 First part of your comment - right on - people do need to take responsibility for their misconceptions, and their own complicity.
But then you engage in generalized insulting & name-calling.
As a liberal who’s spent a lot of time learning to recognize misconceptions with which I grew up, reading black authors, indigenous tribes authors, and listening to those in my church working nationally and locally to recognize our complicity, learning to help with reparations, having dialogues about how to move forward, my initial reaction to your comment is to shut down, think “what’s the point?”, to flee from your anger & judgement. Does not encourage me to have a discussion, hearing what experiences you’ve had that led to your opinion. It takes courage to hear my fear, then turn it to curiosity. To wonder about what have you experienced to feel so - superior? Or fearful of? Or self righteous in labeling all liberals?
Engaging in dialogue without name-calling takes courage and work. I invite you to give it a try.
@@lauraw.7008 only people like you need to read books, take special college classes, do charity work in order to learn how to talk to black people and not feel superior to them lmao
This is a good, nuanced conversation. The institutions of systemic racism are dependent on that racism continue to exist. Without racism there is no Jesse Jackson theory. The media perpetuates racism and the negative fearful things associated with racism that turn profits. Once we see the fallacy of racism we can focus on the umbrella problem; Classism. Poor people don’t own media companies.
@@lauraw.7008 I will to further this discussion and go beyond arguing about anything that gets away from a common goal. Which both sides should acknowledge because if it’s not the same, no one is even trying to solve any issues. So, racism is bad. No one should be racist, some are, some aren’t, etc. Political parties aside, do we both agree on that?
This is truly a brilliant piece of work. Why it hasn't gone viral is beyond me.
Because it's typically trash that goes viral.
That would require HONEST EDUCATION and America and would rather tear the country apart than have that. Power concedes NOTHING. Power lies and pits people against each other and the wealthy Powerful stakeholders at the Top of the American Caste system create diversions of CONSTANT ORGANIZED CHAOS
Share it with the people you know and ask them to share it with the people they know and so on and so on.
This is one of the greatest discussions ever held but it’s now on us to share this video with others to get the dialog moving in a more harmonious direction. WE CAN DO THIS 💪
I’m currently taking a course on Indigenous History in Canada and one of the most salient things I have learned (my understanding) is that in Indigenous traditional law, the accused was expected to plead ‘guilty’ and then the process proceeded from there to reconciliation and restitution. Our settler culture’s legal system is based on the accused pleading ‘not guilty’, so there is no acknowledgement of wrong-doing and therefore there is no possibility of reconciliation and justice.
What a fantastic breakdown. We have such a hard time acknowledging these issues in American society. The only way to end all these systems of oppression is to shine a light on them.
You are 100% absolutely right!
WHAT oppression?
Blacks in America aren't oppressed though, they are undoubtedly the most coddled & babied group of people on planet earth BY FAR... there is really no comparison other than maybe the royal family?
I like how he used the church analgy where if you can't admit the sin, how can you repent and move forward? Not talking about it doesn't solve anything.
@@kfleming78 if we are "coddled" why was it necessary for there to be legislation drawn up to keep African Americans from being killed in the street. If you are just speaking about today the comment about mass incarceration explains well our current situation.
“We need an Era of reconciliation, and Era of truth telling in America … “ is what America needs to do says Mr Stevenson.
We do need to do the work examining what America has always thought about Black people, and the thinking that is culturally engrained here for four hundred years. Mr. Stevenson speaks with care and understanding and Is hopeful, now I will try to operate that way too.
I really liked this video. I think it was an honest conversation with out throwing anyone under the bus. It was fact based and it was truthful. This country still has such a long road ahead in order to reach the goal that Bryan Stevenson mentioned in the end. Maybe we will never quite get there but we need to continue to dream it, strive towards it and try to remain hopeful.
I am 63 and grew up going to grade school in a very small town in Missouri. I remember when our school was forced to integrate when I started 3rd grade. I also have the memory of knowing the movie house was segregated and the black people would only sit in the balcony and had absolutely no access to the public pool. Yes, this is not a very distant past!
This is a superb articulation of where we are. Thank you for this.
Bryan Stevenson!!!! It's so good to see you two having a conversation!!
Jon Stewart is our generation's Johnny Carson. Thank you, Jon, looking forward to more of your show and for voting for you in the future.
This conversation was very inspirational, educational, and invaluable. The exposure and discussion of this topic is so important. 🙏 As Jon said, I feel like we could do anything with more people like Bryan and Jon. The last story made me feel hopeful.
The black guy is spot-on with his description could you imagine doing the same to people who are unvaccinated ?
Should’ve bought a real African-American on to speak like Elon musk or someone like that
@@BobMonty99 "a _real_ African American," huh? Thanks for at least being honest about your racism and bigotry.
38:53
that story of the black woman digging soil with the white guy at a lynching site... if you don't have time to watch the whole thing, just listen to this story. it showcases what is _possible_ and it's a story of hope. real hope.
I cried 😢
His book Just Mercy floored me. I have never read a book that enraged me, made me cry, and gave me hope too. Everyone should read it. It's one of those books I will never forget and recommend to folks often.
Such a powerful discussion. The story of the woman and man digging the soil was beautiful. Made me well up with tears.
I thought I was the only one that felt that way ...
This discussion is brilliant and inspiring. I loved listening to every second of it!!
That story about the white man helping to dig the soil from the lynching site is just....wow. So powerful and so hopeful in such ugly times.
That caught me off guard and broke me down.
These are not "ugly times". They are only being sold to us that way by the rich and powerful.
That made me cry
@@Krayonic that was the most difficult part of the whole discussion. It broke me down...
@tradde11 If you think these are ugly times, you are most likely an ingrate who's ignorant of the rest of the world and its history.
I cried like a baby on the story of the woman digging. I wish more people were that good and honest.
"injustice will prevail if hopelessness persist" & "hope is critical to our moving forward"
These are brilliant gentlemen. Thank you!
Summoning hope as the antidote for injustice makes beautiful perfect sense. It is the myth of Pandora's box -- the totality of everything in the box can be used unjustly, but hope remains. Thanks for shedding new light on that one!
THIS is why we miss you and love you so much Jon. Intelligent, eloquent conversation like this is rare these days.
I think every school in this nation should be required to play this video at least one time for every student. This 50-minute long conversation is so brilliant and articulate.
This is a phenomenal discussion! Thank you! Spread this around!❤️❤️❤️❤️
God bless you Mr. Stevenson for the work you do and the hope you inspire.
Fantastic! As an outsider, a Scandinavian, You both talked about things that I have been wondering about for a while. Thanks! Very insightful.
what an excellent discussion. thanks so much for uploading. i learned a ton!
Thank you for this!
This guy needs to run for office! Great guest!!
I ever get into a debate again about racial equality I hope I remember his wonderful insightful analogies to make use of!
I heard an easy to remember analogy few days back...the racial inequality is like being left handed. You can work your best and hardest and still are disadvantaged because the tools are designed for right-handed people...
@@hideouspatje Are you saying America is still predominantly and systemically racially unequal? If so, when is it equal? Where I'm from, you are now less likely to be hired if you are a white male, less likely to be accepted to a university or college if you are a white male, or to be provide with a grant or student loan even if you happened to be born with 2 left hands but are unfortunate enough to have something so irrelevant like white skin. My own family is lower-middle class, my parents went from lower to lower-middle class, while my grandparents came with nothing and were lower class. Why am I being further marginalized, and excluded based on my race? I have always stood against discrimination of ANY kind, and I always will, I love ALL people, and I teach my children the same. At what point does equality become unequal? I also think that it is creating more segregation than 20 years ago and less ability to talk to one another and that really concerns me. Any thoughts?
@@countdadcula4475 I'm dutch so I only "know" America through RUclips and such.
@@hideouspatje Thanks for the reply, I can appreciate that. Funny how RUclips started as a place to upload funny personal videos for the world and has now become a MAIN source of news and understanding about the world and our most sensitive, critical discussions. Too much opportunity for manipulation of content and commentary. Half of the time I don't know if I'm replying to a bot, a paid propagandist or a genuine real person. Thank you for your reply and analogy, I hope our world can one day soon find REAL peace and love for one another.
@@countdadcula4475 indeed,may your worst days be behind you and your best days still coming!
Bryan Stevenson, so brilliant, thanks for laying it out. 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽💜
Thank you John for being open to the conversation 🤎🤎🤎🖤🖤🖤
That story about the man and woman digging up the dirt from the lynching spot had me in tears. What a powerful story.
"When you're accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression."
Don't know who said this but I think the idea is at the heart of the resistance among whites. We have to grapple with this.
Yeah I was curious about that part of the conversation where Jon appeared to be trying to hone in on the emotional element that is holding people back from truth and reconciliation. Wish they explored that even more in the discussion because now I just have some vague idea of what that could be. I think we need to really understand that before we can move forward right?
@@maxwell4431 yes. The quote from Chad hits the nail on the head. There is a feeling I’ve seen that if black people are winning, somehow white people are losing. This is ingrained in a dance we do around race, almost a knee jerk reaction to discussions around race - where the first reaction is to think, “oh, no not this - not again” but why this reaction is so ingrained is something that need exploration or everything else will be icing on a shit pile. IMO.
@@dehartfamily3091 it's the opposite. With more than equality (affirmative action) there's an impatience to have black communities do well and for crime to subside. I grew up poor so I know the successful path is hard to find, but people aren't patient by nature. And unfortunately there's been little to no progress in all these decades
So how do explain the lack of "resistance" among whites to immigrant groups like Asians, Indians and even Africans that statistically outperform whites in a variety of metrics? Aren't these groups experiencing "equality" that should feel like "oppression"?
I think that it could be part of the resistance that is experienced. However, I do not think it is the majority or the core of it, at least not in the mainstream.
To me, it is a question of guilt, resources, and effective solutions.
Attempting to hold all white people guilty for the actions of people who are either dead or who they currently oppose is unjust. It is basically a form of racism. The obligation to help comes from morality not guilt. The black community is in need and it has been treated unjustly, therefore it is the obligation of all right thinking people and good men to help. It is disasterous to demand that any help offered must come from a place of guilt and personal responsibility, even where no personal responsibility or even ancestral responsibility actually exists. We must help because there are people in need of help, you do not have to be the one who set a house on fire in order to save a child from that house, nor would you be any less a monster if you stood by and refused your aid, just because the fire wasn't your fault.
The next problem is one of resources. When you are suffering or you know many who are suffering, it can be hard to hear that resources must go to more distant cause which is not as personally observable. I think this is one reason the rural poor have difficulty, since their plight is also fairly dire.
The last reason is that it feels there are no real solutions. I do not believe this to be true, of course. Yet effort seems like water onto sand when it comes to racism or racial justice. It is demoralizing and there are only so many causes to which we can devote our time, money, and energy. Should it be racial justice? Perhaps medical reform? Or environmental work, after all the environment is slowly falling apart and the Earth heating rapidly...? Or perhaps sex trafficking which destroys so many lives, many of them children.
The point, sadly is that there are a massive number problems facing this country and every person in it. Problems which are ruining the lives of millions, which will require effort on scales which are unimaginable in order to solve. Racism is certainly one of those problems, but it does not stand alone. One person can only think about so many things, give effort to so many things, and retain their mental sanity in the process.
Is a reason depression is so prevalent now, and people are weak. They will choose the causes closest to them, or the causes they think they have any chance of winning. Or causes which must be won or we all are doomed. We are not God, to be able to give full emotional energy to all sparrows, we can't even manage it with children.
I can't currently put into words how profound this conversation is but every person, no matter your situation, should watch/listen. I'm going to do it twice.
Mr Stewart first of all let me say thank you sincerely for reaching out to our community to help. I have learned much by watching your videos. These types of conversations are absolutely essential for us to move forward as a community and ultimately as a country.
Mr. Stewart, I just found this channel today and am so happy you're back. Thank you so much.
This was the best interview with Mr. Stevenson, as a white man I feel I learned a lot. Thank you to both of you.
Always learning. Thank you for that. Not divisive finger pointing rhetoric (from all sides) but open positive discussion on how we could look forward.
This is what "news" media is supposed to look like. But Corporate "news" Media is incapable of having real conversations without tossing racial bombs into the conversation. More specifically, if this conversation was on MSNBC, or CNN, or Fox NOT News, the Corporate "news" Media would feel compelled to exhibit bothsiderism, and bring one or more so-called guest commenter on the program to say patently insane sh!t. The patently insane sh!t would be treated to have the same level of validity of the sane portion of the conversation.
@@darthbrandon2149 we also have people in office that allow and encourage the division.
It's not the pointing it out that's divisive, it's the racism that's divisive.
@@troywalkertheprogressivean8433 There you go, perfect example of divisive point fingering. Look to heal and look forward.
@@mattconnolly6341 you'll never find the solution if you misidentify/mischaracterize/ignore/remain willfully ignorant of the problem. You can't remove the knife from my back if you deny the knife even exists.
This was one of the best, most insightful conversations I've heard this year. Thank you.
How?!
@@Energine1 probably because he listened to it.
You cannot address racism and justice for African Americans in this country without addressing larger systemic issues which affect all Americans. In the state of Oregon where I currently live the "free land" that was given to famers after the Homestead Act of 1862 was taken by force from Native Americans and given to white settlers. The Native Americans were then resettled on reservations. The History of America is one of ruthless economic opportunism. The Genocide of Indigenous Peoples, African Slaves, Indentured Servants, Child Labor, and the exploitation and oppression of poor and working class people are all a part of that dark legacy. Even if we were to completely rid ourselves of racism without changing our socio-political/economic system poverty will always be a part of American life.
@@michaeljensen4650 Sorry. White people who know better have no use for your narrow narcissistic American lack of understanding of world history and conquest.
Poor and middle class white people have also been denied equity in this country because of entrenched power which controls and monopolizes most resources and our political system. The idea that all white people are "privileged" is a myth meant to sow division among the disenfranchised. Although we must recognize racism and the dark history of slavery identity politics will never bring any meaningful change to anyone including Black Americans.
That digging soil story got me in the feels. Every chapter of Mr. Stevenson's book Just Mercy did the same. Beautiful mind, beautiful actions, beautiful stories.
I truly enjoyed this interview with Bryan Stevenson. This huge reckoning that America Needs to face. Bryan Stevenson is doing amazing work by continuing to prioritize this issue for our community. Jon Stewart, I also, thank you for your knowledge and insight on the multitude of disparities we have been dealing with still currently today. 🙏
We need to really listen to more of these intelligent conversations on racism. Thank you!!!!
now we have to vote out the people who don't want they system to change.
@@briannelson27 white people don't want the system to change. Those in leadership just facilitate the wants and needs of the average white person.
@@cd5139 You have been sucked into the division narrative. I am white. No matter what color you are, if you are not a crooked politician, you want the system to change. Some whites want to be dominated by others, to relieve their white guilt.. Some still want to oppress others. Some want fake equality, some want real equality. If you lump groups of people together by race, and see them as inferior, or superior, you are a racist. Not "systematically racist", the good old fashioned, hate monger type racist. I don't know much about n-words, but I know you should be looking inward.
You didn't have to tell me that you were white.
@@cd5139 Why not? You said white people. I only stated as actual proof that not all white people dont want the system to change. And all other whites in my community feel the same. All people want it to change. They just don't all want it to change into the same thing. Even people on the same side have different views. But everyone loves to complain, too. So, no matter how it is, people want change. Trump was in and they wanted to change things. Biden is in and they want to change things... take any subject...It is in everything. Immigration: both sides want changes. School, healthcare, etc...So what are you talking about? It is always just chaos. Everyone wants to control it their way, no matter your race. But no one ever will. Everyone claims to want change, but it's always the same. Chaos and argument. When were all people in harmony?🤣
Great job . as usual. Keep the truth alive for humanity and the planet and all life. 👍 👍
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"If you can convince the lowest white man he's better than the best colored man, he won't notice you're picking his pocket. Hell, give him somebody to look down on, and he'll empty his pockets for you."
- Lyndon B. Johnson
@Sara Mill your response is appropriate to the comment... not
Now reverse that quote and you will have an accurate depiction of the late 20th and early 21st century.
Great quote for the state of politics circa 1969, however, the current fixation on race as a proxy for class that is so eagerly embraced by corporate interests and the elite seems to serve as a convenient distraction from the widening economic divide affecting all working class americans.
I saw Bryan Stevenson and stopped my job application, lol. Thanks, Jon for spending an hour and for sharing it with us on RUclips!!!🙏🏿❤️
It's a damn shame this podcast hasn't turned up in my YT feed earlier. What a moving and intense episode. Thank you to Jon Stewart and especially to Bryan Stevenson - there's lots more ground to cover, and we need folks like you more than ever!
Speaking as a white person myself, I think another reason why we don't want to admit that black people are stifled not by their own doing, but by our own wrongdoing, is because admitting that your people have done horrible, horrible things is fucking scary and produces shames. I don't think shame is something americans or maybe just humans in general deal with very well. It's fucking intense as a white person to see pictures of your people spitting, lynching, burning, you name it, we have done it to people of color. And just sitting back and thinking holy fuck "do i have that in me??" "Are my grandparents in that fucking picture? Spitting on Ruby Bridges?" It's a daunting thing to face all the work we as white people have to do to help people suffering in this country because of centuries of racist, bigoted, and evil policies passed by this government. But black americans have to face it so why don't we, the ones who directly caused it have to face it?
SIDE NOTE: a great book to read in addition to watching this video is Until We Reckon by Danielle Sered!!!
Jon, can you do a segment on the indigenous children found in mass graves in Canadian residential schools? This segment really moved me. I think that's another issue that needs international attention.
Thank you for being a great human being.
I totally agree with you. WHY is there so much silence surrounding the mass graves found on Catholic church indigenous school grounds?? If those were 3,000 white kids' bodies found somewhere we would never hear the end of it and SOMEBODY would get arrested or something!
@@samanthamariefreeman335
I’m pretty sure everyone involved is dead so who would you arrest?
@Noumenon4Idolatry residential schools existed into the 80s and 90s. But also you could hold the catholic church responsible that's pretty straight forward.
They aren't mass graves, in fact, some of them may not even be people.
@@tanjianforever
How would you hold an organization responsible? Fine them?
I thought all of this happened a very long time ago. I didn’t hear 80s or 90s.
This is the best interview I've ever heard on the topic! Bryan is a national treasure.
What a wonderful conversation. We need more of this.
Awesome interview. The "dirt" story brought me to tears!
Such an interesting conversation !! Thank you both for this!
This was fantastic!! Great discussion
Your discussions are fantastic as well! I've learned so much from you over the years
I guess my comments were too dangerous they deleted them. Lol!
I'm not crying you are. This video gives me some hope. Thank both of you ❤️
It's so sad, I'm speechless, and so disappointing. Why is this still happening??