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Upgrading to Wireless! NCE Powercab & SB5 booster... HOW TO!
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- Опубликовано: 25 дек 2020
- Go wireless on your NCE system with the RB02 wireless base station and a wireless Procab throttle.
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Incredible video, Deryk. I hope to go wireless soon with NCE, and you’ve explained how to do it in a way that even I can understand. When I do it, I will use this video. Thanks a million. ...Roy
Thank you, I was hoping I did a decent job explaining it. Good luck when you decide to do it.. ~Deryk
Nice vid.
I usually skip over your stuff since I am N scaler, but this one obviously is not scale specific. I think you did an excellent job explaining wireless NCE.
I've been using the Bachmann E-Z DCC and anticipate soon needing a more capable system. Seeing wireless becoming easily available is giving me the itch to upgrade. Thanks for showing NCE as a good contender.
Thank you very much! I like the NCE system.
So simple! Appreciate the video. I think I'm sold on NCE.
That is super easy to do. Great explanation, and thanks for going over your whole setup at the end. It helped bring it all together.
Great "How To" will definitely be watching this video again when I start my new layout. Will be so nice to be wireless!
Excellent explanation on how to set up the NCE wireless base station and procab this will be my next upgrade to my NCE powercab system.👍😀😀😀🇬🇧🚂
You are welcome! Glad it was helpful!
About time someone makes an in-depth video of how to do this using both methods. Although, I may not ever use this, it's a great video to refer to. Also, I recommend using Energizer rechargeable batteries for the wireless remote. Thanks Deryk for the video
Glad it was helpful! And thanks for the recommendation. I appreciate it.
Awesome! I’ve been wondering how the wireless stuff is set up, for me your explained it perfectly
Great to hear! Glad I could help.
This video helped make it very easy to understand, Thank you.
Followed your directions to a tee, didn’t. Work. After doing a lot of research to no avail I sent the RB2 back. I was thinking wrong version. Then I ordered again which I got v2.1, didn’t work. Finally I took the ProCab apart to find two wires cut, right at joint. Join them up and all works. Thanks for you video to get me on the right track to begin with.
Oh wow....sorry you had such a problem. But Glad you got it figured out.
That's so cool, I'm gonna buy this when I start my layout next year
Next to going DCC, going wireless was the best upgrade I ever made. You will love it.
I'm so tired of having to work around the wire all the time. I should have done this sooner!
Well now I know what goes on my Xmas list for 2021!
Thank you so much. You were real thorough in explaining a wireless cab. Thanks
Thank you so much for the positive feedback! I appreciate it, and glad I could help!
Cool Derek...nice upgrade..must have been nice this year.. Santa was nice to you.. thanks for sharing and keep up the great work.. Lance
Thanks Lance, I wish Santa brought me this, but he didn't. :(
I added this receiver a while back and really have enjoyed it. Don't forget the small wireless throttles. They are very cool and less intimidating to new comers. Watch out, you did such a good job explaining everything NCE may want to sponsor your channel !! Happy New Year !!!
Thanks! Yeah if I add anymore throttles, they will be Cab06r. Happy New Year!
@@DGModelworks That's them. They are awesome. Once you have everything programmed I actually prefer the little ones.
That engine sounds so real
Nice video Deryk! I do believe that using the SB5 smart booster only lets you program cabs 2-7. If you add the PH Pro to the system and assign it as the master (make the SB5 into a "dumb booster"), you get an additional 5 amps of power and can control up to 63 cabs.
Whoops, I failed to mention that. Thanks!
Hey Sir I just watched how you did your lift out fantastic job , us new to the hobby are really thankful for guys like once again big Thanks
Thank you very much! Glad I could provide some ideas and help.
This is exactly the video I was looking for! Thanks for sharing this, super helpful!
Glad it was helpful!
P.S. Love your videos!
@@DGModelworks Thanks! The layout you're working on looks like a ton of fun!
I was told popcorn was being handed out.. bummer..
Great tutorial video man. Much appreciated
You were late, you showed up after the popcorn was gone. hahaha
Very nicely done
Thank you very much!
Going to go NCE Wireless. Always tripping over or stepping in the flat wire. Dangerous. Thanks for the Demo!
Great video! I just went wireless and thank goodness you made this video!
Great! Thanks!
Great stuff. I have the procab and wireless running my LGB outdoor trains an indoor HO Switching and N Scale trains. Very versatile. I fried my SB5 a while ago when I accidentally reversed some connecting wires. Fortunately I don't need it at the moment.
Hi Deryk, the wireless throttle/handheld is pretty nice. Should come in handy for your size layout. Terry
Thanks Terry, I got tired of tripping over wires. LOL
Great tutorial video DG, your explanation was spot on.
Now ya got me with two wireless systems for the HO and the N scale on my wish lists, one at a time of course
Thanks for sharing, Cary
I have had the wireless system for over 2 years. you are going to love it. I am looking to get a second one.
A little hard up here in Canada. apparently the wireless signal they use is not approved in this Country. so I have to find a way to get one sent to me. hardest part of the wireless cab is the set up.. lol ,, changing the cab number. easy peasy
Yes. Very easy to set up!
Great video and explanation
Thank you! Glad it helped
I just noticed your facia washers. I have the same washers with drywall screws. I'm going to switch them out to slotted screws, if i can find some. Great minds think alike.
Didn’t read the whole title and was thinking it was about dead rail lol. Still an informative video 👍
Nice easy to understand tutorial. Thanks.
Awesome how to video
Thank you!
Deryk Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Thanks man for bringing this subject to your channel. It is something that I really wanted to do with my layout as well. I'm about 3 feet short with RJ12 cable on the Power Cab and now that you displayed this I now know that Pro Cab is the way to go. Plus I'll have a 2nd throttle.
No problem! I hope it helped and gave you some info. Just be sure to get the Radio version of the Procab throttle. It's the NCE 0011 - Deluxe Master ProCab-r Radio Equipped throttle. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you too!
It looks like a nice wireless system Kido. Bob
Hey Merry Christmas 🎅 Brother Deryk I wanna Tell ya Deryk watching your Videos Was what Helped Me Make the Big Big Dession to Go With the NCE'S SB5 .. I'm glad I got it, for It's Size & shape you can place it just about Anywhere Hooking it up was simple I did have to do a little adjusting to set up my Track Wiring but it wasn't nothing too complicated I am using my NCE ProCab-r along with my Extra PCP Pannel that I had Bought a few years back with nothing Hooked up to PCP the panel acts like a UTP she's passive Deryk..
I did buy a Wireless RB02 a Few months ago back in July) And I set up the ProCab-r with a Different Address I used 05 for my Address ED Wilson says on the ProCab-r's the Cab Addresses Go from 02 to I believe 17 other Cabs can go up to 60.. When I was setting up my Wireless I did as it states and like you was doing in your Video Deryk but my ProCab when I was pressing the Horn button acted like it wanted to Hang up when I unhooked the RB02 and went back to Direct Wire the Hanging up went away it says in the instructions that Wireless devices might interfere with the performance but I shut all of my Cellphones off even my Wirless Landline Home phone.. So I don't know if the problem was in the RB02 or my ProCab-r it could be because we live in Apt. Deryk and there is a over Saturation of Wireless causing the Issue..
But I did give it a Try.! And I'd like to try it again.. Maybe if we can get away from the Apt we live in me & my Folks are definitely Ready to move on too many Smokers 🤨 live here, where tired 😫 of putting up with that and noise they make Young College Kids living here off momma & daddies money till they move on.. I'm not against college & I'm not against kids getting there education but they have campus housing and thats where they should live.. On campus.. & not with Senior Residential Folks..
But past that Little Gripe ☺ Deryk I Enjoyed all of your Video & have Enjoyed all your past Video and Hopefully I can send ya something for one of your T-Shirts I wanna get one from you if I can I like them Allot. You Take Care hope you had a Good Christmas cant wait to put 2020 in the Books and get into the New Year.! Have a safe Happy New Year's.. Allen
Wireless is the way to go - I’m very happy with my Z21 and controlling it from my phone, and JMRI. Oh, and from a wired multimaus handset if I feel like doing it the hard way!
thank you for detail video
Thank you for the comment.
Good clear tutorial. Nice work.
Thank you!
I think they created model railroading, to get us ready for the technology of the future. 🔮 😄
Great video! Honestly I could have used it this summer when I upgraded to wireless. Haha ;) congrats on going wireless! Enjoy the new toy!
I knew you already had it. I saw it in your vids. hahaha I love NCE stuff.
Great, looks like I may go wireless too....thanks for sharing 👍👍👍
Derek, I belong to two clubs wit one using NCE and the other using Digatrax, to tell you the truth the nce system is by far the easiest to set up and use, even some of the second group wishes they use the nce but it a modular system and if they meet other groups it's not an opinion, you explanation are always the best on nce !
I'm so glad I decided to go with NCE when I was making a decision on DCC systems. The only thing I regret is I should have just bought the wireless Powerhouse Pro from the start. HAHA
@@DGModelworks yes in the end it would have been better, the cost is about the same in the end and there is only the size of the layouts you really don't need all that much it pro system has for the home layout (number of cab is the only advantage) 🤪
@@jolliemark6294I definitely don't need that large of a system, but like you said. have just as much cost tied up in it.
Having wireless control is awsome, I love my esu control cab system. No cords.
I got tired of navigating around the cords, esp when I'm making videos.
@@DGModelworks very true.
Thanks, perfect job explaining all that!
Thank you! Glad it was helpful!
I got the same set up I love it. Marry Christmas buddy
Merry Christmas to you too!
Would this system be compatible with other dcc systems? (i.e, if i plugged in the wireless module into a mrc system for reference, would it still be able to send dcc signals to the track and work properly?)
Great video by the way!
No this will not work with other systems... And thank you for the comment and compliment!
Thanks buddy that really simplified it. I think I may go that route too. I use the sb5 as well.
I wish I would have done it sooner. The one thing that pushed me to do it, was I got tired of the wire getting in the way all the time while making videos.
@@DGModelworks yeah it does become a real pain. And I was looking at cost( thanks for the links ) and it’s really not too bad either. Maybe by next Christmas I’ll be ready for it. question, do you think I would need another DB 5 booster because I’m going with 2 levels ? I run the SB 5 currently
@@Crookedriverandeasternrr Good to hear! The size of your layout really doesn't determine how many amps you need, its the amount of locomotives and lighted cars that you will be running at the same time.
@@DGModelworks oh ok. I should be fine then
@@Crookedriverandeasternrr more than likely you'll be okay, I wouldn't buy another booster until you know for sure you need it.
Great instruction and info.
Very interesting video, Deryk. Thanks. I have a request for a recommendation.
I've been using Lenz, a basic system, with no boosters or anything else. As my modular layout grows, my DCC system will have to grow to handle more engines, but I think that I don't want to invest any more into Lenz, as I want something more ubiquitous, with lots of other people using it, for better understanding of my system and mutual support among modelers I'm leaning towards NCE, with Digitrax a close second. But I still have a lot to learn about DCC, though I am already familiar with programming CVs on my locos.
I model in "Finescale S," (not American Flyer at all), and each engine consumes power only somewhat more than HO engines, but not that much. To summarize my eventual maximum power requirements: Four or five diesel engine consist on one mainline track, and perhaps a heavy steam double header on the other mainline track. One smallish steam loco on the narrow gauge track, and perhaps 1 or 2 switching activities elsewhere on the eventual completed modular layout. So briefly, a possible maximum of 9-10 engines. I also want wireless throttles. In the eventual completed layout, each of the standard-gauge mainlines will be as long as about 240', in a large circuit. Also a yard area, turntable, engine facilities, etc.
I don't need that capability yet, so I am interested in a suggested course of incremental acquisition of an NCE system that will eventually be able to grow to handle the above maximum requirements. I don't want to have to replace components needlessly as things grow. Should I start with a power cab system (but if I understand, the power cab has a very low power capability), or should I purchase a more capable pro cab system to start out? I already have enough engines to run MU consists, though the mainlines aren't that long yet. I still don't understand too much how boosters work, but I'm sure that will be resolved after I successfully install my first one.
My DCC buss wires run from module to module, and plug into each other with polarity controlled plugs. I'm hoping I won't have to redo my DCC bus wires. They work fine with my Lenz system.
I model the UP, SP, D&RGW, WB, and ATSF, with the UP the favorite. However, some "foreign" power is always welcome. I do have an Erie USRA Heavy Pacific. I have done several successful DCC decoder installs in my locos, but I still have many that need to be converted.
well. you could do what I did and get boosters, or skip straight to an NCE Power Pro Wireless or Powerhouse Pro Wireless. If I had it do over again, I would have just got a bigger system to begin with. But I LOVE NCE....I don't have any experience with Digitrax but I have no reason to leave NCE.
Hello...nice video with elaborate explanatiom. Can you please let me know how can i get the RB20 wireless receiver. Its not available in ebay.
It seems most places are out of stock right now.
Sweet!!!! Great explanation
Thanks Big Bill!
What if I don’t want to buy the power can system because I like the wireless pro cab better. Can I just buy a pro cab install kit and be wireless from the get go never having the power cab?
Yes
im guessing this was an early christmas present to yourself right??, best wishes for 2021
Yes, this was a present to myself. hahaha. I got tired of getting tangled up in wires. Hope you have a great 2021!
me too i use an nce powercab and often trip over the flat cable walking up and down the layout so far has not caused any damage but there will come a day no doubt!!@@DGModelworks
Hahaha this is great brother!! I love how you explain things. When is your layout wiring video coming out?
Thanks man, what exactly do you need to see on layout wiring?
@@DGModelworks how to block a layout.
How big is your layout room? Do you have any signal issues with the RB02 being under the layout as opposed to on the ceiling ?
roughly 16 x 16 I've had no issues at all with signal.
I use the Wireless Piko Smartcontrol With my Piko Smartbox With 4amps
Hei, Deryk! Thanks for your video. In which scale is your layout?
Thanks! HO scale
Great video. Just wondering what the range of the system is? The maximum distance I would be from the antenna is 25 feet. Thank-you.
I haven't tested the range, but from what I've seen, you should be fine.
Hey Derek can I still do macros when using the sb5?
I honestly don't know the answer. I've never used macros. Maybe someone will chime in with that answer. I will try to find out for you.
Thank you for share I will buy NCE wireless Procab for my N
scale layout
Hey Deryck that’s a nice video. Where can I get that pro cab wireless? , can you post the link pls?
Thanks! I have links in the description for the items. If they happen to be sold out, you will have to keep checking back or look somewhere else if you need it immediately.
Thanks 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
Where did you get the RJ 12 wire and jacks.
Midwest Model Railroad. here is a link to the page with those items.
Use coupon code DGMODELWORKS at checkout to save an additional 5% midwestmodelrr.com/product-category/dcc-2/dcc-accessories/page/4/
What happened to the little antenna at the top of the ProCab, did they switch to an internal antenna?
Yes, they no longer have an external antenna.
My ProCab has an antenna that must be screwed into the top of the handheld. Must be an older version. Is there an upgrade for older units? Thanks.
Hmm, I don't know.
Yup there is upgrades for ya Sir just send your Unit into NCE and they can remove the Antenna 📡 that's on your Cab & they'll update the Cab to Internal Antenna like I have and Deryk has..
Here the Link and Cost for the Upgrade @ NCE ncedcc.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/201046139-Wireless-Cab-Upgrade-Costs?mobile_site=true
What AWG gauge do you recommend for the bus wires using the NCE SB5 Smart Booster? Thanks!
I always use either 12 or 14 AWG for bus wire, and 18 AWG for my feeder wires.
Wonderful. Thank you!!!
Thank you! Is the 18 gauge solid or stranded?
Can i use the wireless pro from the get go ? If im starting fresh ? Since i don't see the point of wired one.
Absolutely! This is more for the person upgrading their Powercab system.
@@DGModelworks thank you for the advice 👌👍
Suppose I get the wireeless and don't have the one that plugs in?
You need either the the one that plugs in (Powercab) or the SB5 Smart Booster. The wireless one won't work just by itself. The wireless is just a throttle. The Powercab or the SB5 Smart Booster is the command station part of the system.
MRC Advance2 or NCE Powercab? Which is the best choice. From newbie to hobby
I honestly have no experience with the MRC stuff. So I can't really advise on that. I'm happy with NCE stuff though. Also welcome to the hobby!
Another awesome video!! Went and finally hooked up my rb02 after watching! On another note, have you seen the WFD30? It’s a WiFi interface that just plugs into the Utp panel with a bus cord and generates a WiFi signal that you can use universal throttles, phones, and tablets!
Yes I have....Looks like a really cool device!
I followed the same way you did yours and its not working for me, it will work if the wire is connected and I can run trains that way but as soon as I unplug and it the E-stop button there is nothing. Now if I hold the E-stop button in the it just will say NCE Procab V1.3 cab address = 03 but will not go beyond that and the red light on top does not blink and the RB02 red lights also don't blink so I'm not sure what to do now. I have the same setup as you do I use the SB5 smart booster.
I can't help you without seeing what you are doing.
@@DGModelworks I repeated the same steps you did.
I wish I could help you. It almost acts like your Powercab and the Procab throttle are both set on address 3. Check to make sure your powercab is set to address 2
Do you have the wireless base station connected to the SB5 booster?
@@DGModelworks the power an is at 2 and the wireless procab is set at 3.
Yonder mountain string
So is the SB5 a command station? I thought it was just a booster and still needed the power cab for brains.
The SB5 ends up being the brains, and the powercab throttle ends up being just like a Procab throttle.
watch this video. ruclips.net/video/sAr0_5njW2I/видео.html
Which of the jmri do i choose i just got a laptop and in going to start using decoder pro
That is an entirely different connection. I could make a video for that.
@@DGModelworks that would be 😎 for me.
So do I still need to the 2 16 gauge wires and cut and connect to the tracks or no?
You still need a track connection to your base station
@@DGModelworks ok, I'm starting an HO scale train layout next year
Will this work with NCE SB3a smart booster?
I honestly don't know....Sorry I can't help answer that. Maybe email NCE and see if they can provide you an answer.
Could you repeat that one more time? Lol! BTW, where's does the Lionel 12v DC transformer fit in? ;)
Can you hear me now? LOL
How long do the batteries last before you have to replace them with new batteries?
I don't know yet, LOL Still on the first set.
@@DGModelworks Lol ok, you convinced me to go buy this wireless setup.
@@BenMatchett I wish I would have done it sooner.
now if I did not own this stuff, I sure would by that
Thanks for your videos on the Cab06r....those will be what I use for any further throttles on the layout.
I need one of those Cab06 as Well Deryk they're sharp n' compact and with a Blue colored protective Disk that installed under the Dial your controller will be protected with some added Style..
Can you program train with the wireless pro cab?
Yes, you can program anything that you can program on the main.
Ahhhhh....I'm waiting for the voice controlled, controllers. VOX
Sooo, let me get this straight....u can not use the wireless power cab to program a loco when u only have a booster as a brain? I bought a 5 amp booster and wireless power cab only, I never bought a tethered power cab...are u saying I must buy a tethered power cab to program my locos?
You can still program CV's, It has the ability to "Program On The Main". But it does not have the "Program Track" feature. So you can still make CV changes, but you won't be able to read any CV's
that poor smart booster. you shake the living crap out of the poor thing.. lol.
It's rugged. :)
Instructions?, we don't need no stinking instructions.
Hey...that's exactly what I thought. HAHAHA