what is astounding to me about MJ's adjusted numbers being are nearly identical to Bron's had he played as a PG, is that those adjustments are using numbers with MJ still exerting all that energy on the DEFENSIVE side of the ball as well. Think about that. if Lebron is playing elite defense like MJ, is his numbers really going to be what they are or will they go down with all that energy being used? If MJ was resting himself on the defensive side of the ball, what crazy numbers would he have then if he only focused on offense? Aside from the winning, the commitment to playing elite on both sides of the court is what will always separate the two players for me.
LeBron is LeBron centric player....MJ was a team must win centric player...he was flexible and teachable w/ killer instincts. Better EQ than LeBron. MJ better all round player.
So we all can see if he wanted to he would have been one of the best passer all time, he chose and the bulls wanted him to score as much as possible so he became the greatest scorer ever. He would have been the best or close to it with whatever the team needed him to do.
The finals vs the Blazers shows that if he chose to shoot the 3, he could. Although he didn't need it. he has the highest scoring avg in league history, without shooting the 3. Jordan is the GOAT
@@norwoodhammond650 I know his game better then most. I recorded nearly every bulls game from 90-91 until the 98 finals. What you said goes back to what I said. Whatever the team needed he would have been the best or close to it.
Mj averaged 32.5 points 6.5 rebounds and 6 assist up until his the last 3 years with Chicago. If he doesn't retire and didn't get hurt his second season. He probably would have maintained those numbers for 15 or 16 seasons.
Apparently, before he broke his ribs before he came back the 2nd time (Wizards years), he was just as good as Bulls years. He probably shouldn't've rushed to come back so fast his 1st Wizards year.
That's why some of the greats like Dominique Wilkins said it's difficult to tell how good Kobe and Jordan really were because your position changes your stats. LeBron was basically given a team to control out of high school, we've seen all he can do. We haven't seen all Kobe or Mike can do, especially Kobe who shared the team with Shaq for 8 years, and didn't play much the first two
We've also never seen Mike play with the hand-check rule. The removal of hand checking came around the mid-2000's and the scoring of perimeter players increased league wide. Imagine MJ playing in an era where you couldn't put your hands on him without being whistled for a foul.
The idea is that he instantly becomes another type of player from day 1. He could get even better results if he had more time to adjust to the new role. Another aspect: Phil Jackson's triangle offense approach, Jordan scored less than before. However, when it was necessary, Jordan takes control of the game and switch to a turbo mode in all game aspects (consecutive points, defense, assists).
I've never thought of MJ as a SG. I know it was his "position" for his career, however, trying to define his practically perfect skill package within one position is too limiting. He was the best at everything. The one thing his run as the point guard proved, was how incredibly coachable and humble MJ was. Despite being the undisputed best player on Earth, he was always wanting to improve and get better. This included gaining strength and muscle through weight training in order to beat the Pistons. MJ wanted to win so badly he would sacrifice or do whatever Doug Collins (and later Phil Jackson having the Bulls play in the Triangle Offense) needed him to do. He was the ultimate winner and greatest athlete to ever play a team sport.
That's right you lebron ball huggers are super grateful this man, mj I mean didn't have the basketball in his hands every game and play for stats looked lechump James. Stats is barely your argument and mj averaged way better number with the ball in his hands than lbj. Straight facts. Averaged like 10 steals too, lebron could never.
I will watch this when it goes live. I just want to comment. Young Air Jordan was very point guard like. He had the Stephen Curry like effect where getting the ball drew double teams where he could pass the ball off for assists. Older Jordan was great, but didn't have that affect to this extreme degree. Jordan also played point guard like in the 1991 playoffs and NBA finals. Lil Unc if you prefer point guard-like MJ, thats the 1988-1991 seasons and playoffs
UNSTOPPABLE!! 😂🤣😅 Jordan avg'd 32pts, 8 Reb, 8 Ast as a Point Guard... in the REGULAR SEASON. This was after an OFF-SEASON in which Jordan told Coach Doug Collins and the Bulls that he (Jordan) saw no need to work on a Post Up game. However, the Bulls were eliminated by the Pistons, and it was because Jordan couldn't handle Isiah Thomas. See RUclips video "Death by Mid-Range. :,
Bro I'm sure you've figured out by now that I'm not close to being a LeFlop James fan but I don't deny his greatness either, but offensively they're numbers were in sync, but at the same time defense is where Jordan separates himself from James and that gap is significant and finally (which you also pointed out) the NBA Championships are also a reason for the wide gap in my opinion
@@dominiquewilson their numbers are close but how they earned them is completely different!!!! Jordan accomplished his numbers during an era when "Jungle Ball" and it was legal for the most part!! Whereas James accomplished his numbers In "Powder Puff" era!!! No contest
There was literally nothing he couldn't do. Basketball should (especially now) be the least compartmentalized sport. I've seen Jordan win tip-offs at the beginning of the game (against Jack Sikma), be the best player in the league in 1992 in the low post (utilization of the triangle - automatic two points if he's fouled and goes to the line-- it doesn't matter if it was power dunks off the block, the guy was scoring from posting up), having 125 plus blocks two seasons in a row, going deep (not just Portland, he shot 37 percent in 1990, and has a killer three point shooting percentage lifetime in the finals). There are a lot of holistic players, but they all have one glaring thing he can't do - i.e. Magic and Bird pressure defense (especially on traps), Lebron (free-throw consistency), Wilt (anything beyond 10 feet), Kareem (leading the fast break, handling the ball).
As for the video. Jordan did not need to stay as point guard. The 1990s Chicago Bulls are a defensive team without too many scorers. The 1993 NBA championships would be extremely difficult to win without MJ averaging 42 points per game.
How about you add in what if Lebron stayed in Cleveland his whole career like Mike stayed in Chicago. How many rings does Lebron actually win if he stays in Cleveland if you actually make a comparison with things being equal. Imo Lebron only has one maybe two rings if he played in Cleveland his whole career. The comparison isn’t even close, Lebron is no where near MJ level.
What people don't understand is how much the Wizards years tanked Jordan's numbers. That's going to happen to LeBron eventually. He's going to have a couple down years at the end of his career before he hangs them up and they're going to destroy his averages just like they did to Jordan.
I was going to put up some stats and what have you...but why? There is a reason you have at least 3 pairs of Jordan's in the closet. Even the boxes still look new.
Young Lebron played in the defensive era. You can also react to young Lebron games. Pre-2010 Lebron vs Kobe games. Of course, reacting to Kobe, Lebron, and Jordan videos would likely lead to arguing from those 3 fanbases. So maybe, you may not want to put up with that. Kobe and Lebron fans are also enemies
The defensive era was over the year before lebron went into the league with getting rid of hand checking and the fact a big man couldn't stand under the basket anymore all day like the REAL defensive era. I'm sure it was 2002 or 2003 when these rules went into effect. There shouldn't be any argument between the three fanbases, well maybe kobe and lebron. MJ is so far ahead of those two.
@@punkem733 that’s not true at all. The def name was still incredibly intense till around 2010. Anyone who watched those finals between 2005-2009 would know that those were slug fests. The rules softened AFTER he came into the league but that didn’t heavily effect how the game was played until nearly a decade later.
its difficult to know how good a 2020s NBA player would do during the 2000s. lil unc is a Lebron fan, so I figured he might want to watch young Lebron play in an era with less spacing.
Point guard Jordan may not win as many championships. There are too many games where Bulls players kept bricking and MJ had to outscore the other team. Against the Utah Jazz, MJ needs to be a scorer, not a point guard. Pippen wasnt dependable during those games either. MJ needed to be a scorer
@Series X... That's a good point about MJ's teammates bricking. In fact I saw MJ drop perfect dimes, only for the receiver to botch the layup. Imagine if he played on a super team where his dimes would actually be converted by his superstar squad receiving them?
6- CHAMPIONSHIPS WITH THE " SAME" TEAM👈🏼 DYNASTY‼️NOT JUMPING AROUND TEAM HOPPING👈🏼 & BANDWAGON RIDING 🚚 FOR RINGS ON STACKED UP TEAMS .. NO LOYALTY‼️🚫
This only proves he was arguably the greatest All Around player ever. 🐐
what is astounding to me about MJ's adjusted numbers being are nearly identical to Bron's had he played as a PG, is that those adjustments are using numbers with MJ still exerting all that energy on the DEFENSIVE side of the ball as well. Think about that. if Lebron is playing elite defense like MJ, is his numbers really going to be what they are or will they go down with all that energy being used? If MJ was resting himself on the defensive side of the ball, what crazy numbers would he have then if he only focused on offense? Aside from the winning, the commitment to playing elite on both sides of the court is what will always separate the two players for me.
LeBron is LeBron centric player....MJ was a team must win centric player...he was flexible and teachable w/ killer instincts. Better EQ than LeBron. MJ better all round player.
So we all can see if he wanted to he would have been one of the best passer all time, he chose and the bulls wanted him to score as much as possible so he became the greatest scorer ever. He would have been the best or close to it with whatever the team needed him to do.
The finals vs the Blazers shows that if he chose to shoot the 3, he could. Although he didn't need it. he has the highest scoring avg in league history, without shooting the 3. Jordan is the GOAT
@@norwoodhammond650 I know his game better then most. I recorded nearly every bulls game from 90-91 until the 98 finals. What you said goes back to what I said. Whatever the team needed he would have been the best or close to it.
Thx UNC!
Mj averaged 32.5 points 6.5 rebounds and 6 assist up until his the last 3 years with Chicago. If he doesn't retire and didn't get hurt his second season. He probably would have maintained those numbers for 15 or 16 seasons.
He is the GOAT
Apparently, before he broke his ribs before he came back the 2nd time (Wizards years), he was just as good as Bulls years.
He probably shouldn't've rushed to come back so fast his 1st Wizards year.
bro, Jonny Arnett has a GOAT series. Maybe you can react to his GOAT series. it's the best case made for all 6 of his GOAT candidates.
That's why some of the greats like Dominique Wilkins said it's difficult to tell how good Kobe and Jordan really were because your position changes your stats. LeBron was basically given a team to control out of high school, we've seen all he can do. We haven't seen all Kobe or Mike can do, especially Kobe who shared the team with Shaq for 8 years, and didn't play much the first two
We've also never seen Mike play with the hand-check rule. The removal of hand checking came around the mid-2000's and the
scoring of perimeter players increased league wide. Imagine MJ playing in an era where you couldn't put your hands on him without
being whistled for a foul.
This shows that Michael was at his best as a shooting guard but great at point
MJ is just a flat out better defender than LBj
Choked up😅😅😅
I’m glad you chose a Jonny arnett video !!! He’s the most objective nba RUclipsr I’ve seen so far
The idea is that he instantly becomes another type of player from day 1. He could get even better results if he had more time to adjust to the new role.
Another aspect: Phil Jackson's triangle offense approach, Jordan scored less than before. However, when it was necessary, Jordan takes control of the game and switch to a turbo mode in all game aspects (consecutive points, defense, assists).
I've never thought of MJ as a SG. I know it was his "position" for his career, however, trying to define his practically perfect skill package within one position is too limiting. He was the best at everything. The one thing his run as the point guard proved, was how incredibly coachable and humble MJ was. Despite being the undisputed best player on Earth, he was always wanting to improve and get better. This included gaining strength and muscle through weight training in order to beat the Pistons. MJ wanted to win so badly he would sacrifice or do whatever Doug Collins (and later Phil Jackson having the Bulls play in the Triangle Offense) needed him to do. He was the ultimate winner and greatest athlete to ever play a team sport.
That's right you lebron ball huggers are super grateful this man, mj I mean didn't have the basketball in his hands every game and play for stats looked lechump James. Stats is barely your argument and mj averaged way better number with the ball in his hands than lbj. Straight facts. Averaged like 10 steals too, lebron could never.
I will watch this when it goes live. I just want to comment. Young Air Jordan was very point guard like. He had the Stephen Curry like effect where getting the ball drew double teams where he could pass the ball off for assists.
Older Jordan was great, but didn't have that affect to this extreme degree. Jordan also played point guard like in the 1991 playoffs and NBA finals. Lil Unc if you prefer point guard-like MJ, thats the 1988-1991 seasons and playoffs
I think had Jordan stayed at the point they would have had to add a top tier scorer/defender to help MJ and Pip carry the scoring load.
UNSTOPPABLE!! 😂🤣😅
Jordan avg'd 32pts, 8 Reb, 8 Ast as a Point Guard... in the REGULAR SEASON.
This was after an OFF-SEASON in which Jordan told Coach Doug Collins and the Bulls that he (Jordan) saw no need to work on a Post Up game.
However, the Bulls were eliminated by the Pistons, and it was because Jordan couldn't handle Isiah Thomas.
See RUclips video "Death by Mid-Range. :,
Bro I'm sure you've figured out by now that I'm not close to being a LeFlop James fan but I don't deny his greatness either, but offensively they're numbers were in sync, but at the same time defense is where Jordan separates himself from James and that gap is significant and finally (which you also pointed out) the NBA Championships are also a reason for the wide gap in my opinion
They’re offensive numbers weren’t in sync.
@@dominiquewilson their numbers are close but how they earned them is completely different!!!! Jordan accomplished his numbers during an era when "Jungle Ball" and it was legal for the most part!! Whereas James accomplished his numbers In "Powder Puff" era!!! No contest
There was literally nothing he couldn't do. Basketball should (especially now) be the least compartmentalized sport. I've seen Jordan win tip-offs at the beginning of the game (against Jack Sikma), be the best player in the league in 1992 in the low post (utilization of the triangle - automatic two points if he's fouled and goes to the line-- it doesn't matter if it was power dunks off the block, the guy was scoring from posting up), having 125 plus blocks two seasons in a row, going deep (not just Portland, he shot 37 percent in 1990, and has a killer three point shooting percentage lifetime in the finals). There are a lot of holistic players, but they all have one glaring thing he can't do - i.e. Magic and Bird pressure defense (especially on traps), Lebron (free-throw consistency), Wilt (anything beyond 10 feet), Kareem (leading the fast break, handling the ball).
As for the video. Jordan did not need to stay as point guard. The 1990s Chicago Bulls are a defensive team without too many scorers. The 1993 NBA championships would be extremely difficult to win without MJ averaging 42 points per game.
How about you add in what if Lebron stayed in Cleveland his whole career like Mike stayed in Chicago. How many rings does Lebron actually win if he stays in Cleveland if you actually make a comparison with things being equal. Imo Lebron only has one maybe two rings if he played in Cleveland his whole career. The comparison isn’t even close, Lebron is no where near MJ level.
MJ was just different
If he would have had a full season at point. Those numbers would have been higher
There was nothing MJ couldn't do w/ the ball....except lose.....
What people don't understand is how much the Wizards years tanked Jordan's numbers. That's going to happen to LeBron eventually. He's going to have a couple down years at the end of his career before he hangs them up and they're going to destroy his averages just like they did to Jordan.
I was going to put up some stats and what have you...but why? There is a reason you have at least 3 pairs of Jordan's in the closet. Even the boxes still look new.
Young Lebron played in the defensive era. You can also react to young Lebron games. Pre-2010 Lebron vs Kobe games. Of course, reacting to Kobe, Lebron, and Jordan videos would likely lead to arguing from those 3 fanbases. So maybe, you may not want to put up with that. Kobe and Lebron fans are also enemies
The defensive era was over the year before lebron went into the league with getting rid of hand checking and the fact a big man couldn't stand under the basket anymore all day like the REAL defensive era. I'm sure it was 2002 or 2003 when these rules went into effect. There shouldn't be any argument between the three fanbases, well maybe kobe and lebron. MJ is so far ahead of those two.
@@punkem733 that’s not true at all. The def name was still incredibly intense till around 2010. Anyone who watched those finals between 2005-2009 would know that those were slug fests. The rules softened AFTER he came into the league but that didn’t heavily effect how the game was played until nearly a decade later.
@@TheIcemanthomas OK, I'll take your word for it, but I know the two rules I mentioned were outlawd like 1-2 years before he got into the league.
its difficult to know how good a 2020s NBA player would do during the 2000s. lil unc is a Lebron fan, so I figured he might want to watch young Lebron play in an era with less spacing.
Current Lebron would probably get injured immediately if he played during the 2000s. Considering his frequency of injuries in this more gentle era.
React to some mamoud abdul rauf games and also his highlight reel.
Point guard Jordan may not win as many championships. There are too many games where Bulls players kept bricking and MJ had to outscore the other team.
Against the Utah Jazz, MJ needs to be a scorer, not a point guard. Pippen wasnt dependable during those games either. MJ needed to be a scorer
@Series X... That's a good point about MJ's teammates bricking. In fact I saw MJ drop perfect dimes, only for the receiver to botch the layup. Imagine if he played on a super team where his dimes would actually be converted by his superstar squad receiving them?
LeBron has numbers and stats but he doesn't have the mentality. Jordan's stats would've led to AT LEAST the same amount of rings he has today.
Jordan would have still been great
6- CHAMPIONSHIPS WITH THE " SAME" TEAM👈🏼 DYNASTY‼️NOT JUMPING AROUND TEAM HOPPING👈🏼 & BANDWAGON RIDING 🚚 FOR RINGS ON STACKED UP TEAMS .. NO LOYALTY‼️🚫
Jordan was a better scorer.
No such thing as a point god