Great management. Don't understand why more managers don't utilise this every game. To have a winger, for example, push hard for 60 mins knowing they are only playing 60 mins match then a sub coming on like for like giving it twice the intensity as their only playing for 30mins. Up against an opposition full back that is playing 90mins will get destroyed. U do that in 4 other key positions and u should win the game. Sounds straight forward and simple yet as u said Klopp does seem to be the only 1 to utilise the extra subs.
@@RabnalldoKieran Mckenna does it in the championship with Ipswich. They are currently 2nd (having just come up from league 1) and have scored more goals from the bench than any team in all 4 leagues. He changes the 2 wingers, Number 10 and number 9 around 60 mins. It definitely works. Most of our goals are in the last 20 mins.
@@GIBBO4182 all I know is. Jota dived and so did Isak. I’m not denying Jota dived but call everyone out on diving and not just when a Liverpool player does it.
Soon as he takes another step with his left he goes down, this was the ankle the keeper caught with his elbow. Wouldn't even be up for debate had this been Kane or Grealish, the narrative would be the keeper made contact and they were clever
I'm a Spurs and Kane fan and I'd agree with you. It's a plague on the game and can't be one rule for some and another rule for others. All players should be criticised and Kane definitely has a habit of going down too easily at times
Liverpool had tonnes of injuries when klopp first took over too, its probably some combination of: - players getting used to it - getting players in who are better suited to it - similarly to first point, but the team implmenting more sports science side of things (and maybe the darker side of this too)
Micah explaining how his head had gone because of Salah missing a pen for his fantasy team has brought back some memories I thought I had buried deep enough 😱 good to laugh at his misfortune as a now neutral though 😂
Micah is certainly not wrong. I had Salah as my captain this week in Fantasy Football and I was losing it too with that first penalty miss. Then by the end of the match (with his goal, assist and all the fantasy football points) all was forgiven. 😂
Love hearing about fantasy football through Micah's ups and downs in that Liverpool game, I and many millions are just like Micah. He should be our porte-parole😊
Great show as always lads,the other reason is I can’t remember when I last saw a penalty given where the player has stayed on his feet,and the shirt pulling in the area,and all you hear from most pundits is if they gave a penalty every time there was a shirt pull you would be giving 10 penalties a game,2 answers to that,1 what’s the point pundits are trying to make,2 GIVE THE PENS and then perhaps they will how to defend properly.👍👏💥❤️
@@Magpie74 but it does when it stops a goal scoring chance and also makes no attempt for the ball. The keeper wasn’t even close to the ball when he made contact. If he doesn’t touch Jota he slots it into an empty net. As he impeded him by the time Jota gets the ball the angle is probably far too tight to score. If he doesn’t go down and doesn’t score, people will say he should have gone down. He goes down on contact and yes exaggerates it and then he’s called out for diving. Many a time Lineker and Shearer have seen a Kane dive and said (a) it’s clever play or (b) he’s entitled to dive as he’s been touched. But because Jota is not English he’s dived and cheated. Didn’t see Alan calling out Isak when he wasn’t even touched and dived to win a penalty vs N Forest. The media have encouraged diving more than anyone else.
@MrBatchy123 goal scoring opportunity? He took 2/3 steps b4 going down. He denied himself the opportunity and all these players act the hard man but then reckon thats enough to bring them down in that fashion?
@kemchy3838 yh because he was really knocked off his feet wasnt he????? He stayed up til he thought he wasn't gonna reach the ball and then dived. So he'd already shown the contact wasnt enough to bring him down and if you wanna continue to try n be a start arse, Longstaff should have had a penalty then cos there was contact there too. Cant have it both ways. Longstaff's was deemed as not enough contact so other one should have been ruled the same way - end off. Now you obviously heavy bias and will no doubt continue black is white so you can do that on your own cos logic is obviously lost of you
Same shearer who lauded calvert Lewin for being "cute and clever" falling over on a header to get a pen against Liverpool same shearer who wrote about "whats a players supposed to do when they are touched in the Box?" His regional bias is unreal! Newcastle keeper admitted he made contact
Players are coached to dive even at non league level. The rules are the problem as players get punished by refs for staying on their feet, instead of taking a dive and getting a free kick.
Micah is older than me but I remember the last few seasons of they think it's all over... Gary and Rory as team mates and I'm sure Jonathan Ross was on it too
I think Newcastle went far beyond expectations from when the takeover happened. Now they're in a bit of where they should be in the grand scheme of things.
He had an open goal 1) he didn’t need to dive 2) usually player don’t get up so fast on their feet when they dive, he immediately jumped up because he was angry
If Jota stayed on his feet and missed the chance, everyone would be saying "there was contact, go down". He can't possibly win in this situation. If there was no contact from Dubravka, VAR would have overruled it. Alan has praised Harry Kane in the past for going down easily, where is the consistency?
@@verselineswell apparently he stuck up for luis suarez years back for a similar incident to the jota one pal where guzan was the keeper and suarez went down and got a pen I think its because he is a newcastle fan so he is biased in that respect when its against his team its different however other than that he is quite complimentary re liverpool in general to be fair I just think it shows all pundits are biased really and often contradict themselves when it comes to referee calls 🤔
haha Im with Michah, I play FPL and have a deal with mates in a little league that the winner each month gets brought lunch buy the others. So theres food on the line man :D As for the dive, I think he was just giving Salah the FPL points as he had him as his captain :D But the main thing to worry about is if there was no contact Jota would score, there was contact and Liverpool score, made no difference in the end. Saying that if I was a Newcastle fan I would feel hard done by on that one, as a Liverpool fan, i'll take it because we have had so many bad VAR calls against us this season
Is the injuries not just the consequence of them being pure athletes now? I think Micah was getting at this but I feel like players back in the day didn’t push their bodies to the same limits so got less injuries.
You clearly didn't grow up watching Shearer. English players can be just as bad, sure. Kane is one of the biggest divers in the game right now. But Shearer wasn't one of them
@@ayoutubechannel7143 No, he took more than a couple of dives in his time. Will grant you that Kane was worse, but I think that's more down to differences in how they played and the positions they tended to get into rather than because Shearer has some sort of moral high ground here.
Regarding injuries... I think the stop start nature of the game with VAR involved is part of the issue... you warm up for a reason and stopping for 2-3 mins and then starting again a few times could trigger a hamstring issue or something maybe? I am not an expert so probably wrong 😅😊
Not sure if this commemt will be seen Loving the show, it has been one of my most anticipated things during a week I do have a suggestion for the show. I am watching the show on here RUclips obviously, and loving micahs infectious laughter you guys banter and all. But when you guys are talking about some incident in the week (e.g. Jota dive in this case) Would it be possible to inlcude a short clip of that in the video? So that for those who does not follow everything in the week can easily know what you are talking about, instead of searching on internet and come back Again loved the show, hope this suggestion finds you well
I'd like to ask the strikers on this podcast: if they were through on goal and were touched by the keeper, but could still get to the ball and score, would they fall down and get a penalty which they know they won't be taking, or would they carry on?
As Gary explains - Jota has taken too heavy of a touch which in the moment he worries he won’t be able to reach. However because he felt some contact he decides to go down. The reason I use the word ‘decides’ is because of the delay between contact and going down. So to answer your point - it’s better to win a penalty for your team than knock it out of play for a goal kick
So if in that theory what your saying is correct and his touch is to heavy is that not because of the keepers contact? For me it's a foul if he missed they wouldn't have given a pen because he stayed on his feet that's where the problem is. If it's enough to make him take a heavy touch it's a foul simple really and as for the delay it's not as much of a delay as some are making out. The keeper knocks him out of his stride it's simple it's a foul he didn't get the ball
@jamesfitzpatrick847 No question about the foul and penalty, it's just the choice between scoring a goal yourself or having someone else score one. If the striker is really wanting the goal then he will carry on. Personally I think Jota could have got the ball and scored himself but seems he didn't.
Jota was going at pace, goalkeeper hits his left foot, he tried to keep going but lost balance due to the touch on his foot. If it wasn’t a foul, VAR would have overturned it.
World class has to be about accepting the responsibility to impact/win the game and not hiding when things get difficult (i.e., embracing the pressure)
Shearer speaking on Klopp's passion on the sidlines: "You almost have to admire how much he cares for the club and his players Shearer speaking on Arteta's passion on the sidelines: "It's a bit embarassing and probably not what the players want to see from their manager" Why is the energy different??
I think the injuries are to do with the intensity of the sport being increased yearly and because coaches are making the game faster & faster and even more physically demanding, you’re just shortening your own players’ careers even if they have elite endurance.
Yeah, it's a big part. Plus counter intuitively the increased number of subs means coaches and players don't have to converse themselves at all. Footballs gone from being an aerobic heavy sport to a much more anaerobic sport. There's way more off the ball running being done to pull defenders around and even bottom table sides will have 7 or 8 guys in the box at times on both ends of the pitch.
Or players are just soft these days... go back 30 years, look at the brutal tackles and the boggy pitches and tell me there wasn't more chance of injuries back then.... If today's players were only paid when they are fit and available for selection then the number of injuries would half overnight..., fact
@@FortValanceThe boggy pitches are safer to play on than the modern grass/synthetic carpets they have today. Mud and dirt gives way, modern ones catch and rip ligaments/muscles in half
This may be too simple but why can’t two clubs agree in advance of an FA cup game that the result will be settled any not replayed? If both clubs agree it avoids the replay but it does not stop smaller clubs getting replays against large clubs and the financial benefits.
Jota went down on the next step he made on the ankle that was clattered by the goalkeeper's elbow. He decided to go down, but there is no doubt that he was knocked off his stride and probably out of confidence in finishing the chance.
That doesn't mean it's a foul. Watch jota's right foot, he can clearly put his foot down normally and recover his balance but he instead drags his toes and goes down. Football is a contact sport and a slight touch is not a foul.
@@SueMyChin Football is a contact sport until contact gives an advantage to one player over their opponent. In this case, Jota was knocked off his stride and out of an easy goal. In all this debate about diving the question "why gamble on a penalty appeal when it seemed easier to tap the ball into an open net" is not being considered enough. If we set aside the sensationalist nonsense and assess the situation logically, we might find a reasonable, even if anticlimactic, answer. Jota likely felt he couldn't score and the reason for that is because he was impeded. Even the slightest touch can gain a huge advantage. The difference between fair contact and foul contact is the outcome not the intent.
@@Rob_and_Other_Names The whole point in making contact with your opponant is to gain an advantage. It's within the rules that you're allowed to do so. It's not a foul. Like a defender putting his arm accross an attacker gives him an advantage but isn't a foul. He dived because his touch wasn't great and might not have got to the ball.
@@Rob_and_Other_Names If that were true players would not be allowed to shield the ball. Law 12 of FIFAs rules say that a foul from contact is only given if the offending player is "careless, reckless or using excessive force". If you trip a player carelessly that's a foul. It's up to debate whether or not the keeper's movement was careless. You could argue that. But there was no reckless intent or excessive force and players are definitely allowed to gain an advantage with contact. This decision was up to referee discretion tbh. Jota did what he had to do to sell it.
Q: What would it take for harry kane to win the ballon d’or this coming year? If everything goes in his favour, he could win the bundesliga whilst breaking the record for most goals in a season, have a good shot at the champions league, whilst captaining england as the favourites to win the euros this summer. Assuming that Haaland, Bellingham and Mbappe may be his competition - what will it take?
Dubravka to NUTV: "I tried to pull my arms and not catch him. I felt the contact but I don't know what else I should do. "In the end it was a penalty, so there's no point in arguing with them. With the VAR... I don't know what to say. I tried to save another penalty [from Salah] but it was just a gamble."
When you’re running at full speed, like Jota was, even the slightest touch of a player’s foot will cause him to lose balance, and it’s not always the first step when it happens. Jota had no reason to dive with an open goal in front of him. And Dubravka did admit there was contact
Of all the hypocrisies in modern football, the greatest is watching all these ex-pros pretend that diving is a modern phenomenon. That, and the weird fixation on diving when other forms of cheating are ignored or even applauded. Deliberately fouling a player to prevent a break away is cheating, but is called "taking one for the team". Claiming it's your corner or throw-in when you know the ball came off you is cheating, but it goes completely uncommented. Oh, there's the ever-present hypocrisy over diving seemingly in favour of English players; the favoured English player (the most egregious example in recent years being Harry Kane) was "clever" in how he won that free kick or penalty where a foreign player would be attacked for diving in the exact same circumstances. The truth about diving is not that it happens more now than it used to, it's that as video technology improved we got better replays and we see it more frequently. It was always there (yes, even in English football despite what you might have heard about "foreign influences" bringing such evils to our hallowed game...)
Gary and Alan lose a lot of credibility when there calling out Jota but NEVER called out Harry Kane. Who I’ve watched dive at least 10 times during the PL area or for England
On the point of Eddie Howe being under pressure, it's more of a crossroads for the owners than it is for him: what kind of club are they trying to build? Is it the Chelsea model, where the managers come and go every other season depending on immediate levels of success, or is it the City/Liverpool model, where the managers are given time? I would hope it's the latter, as a Toon fan.
Hopefully they will give him time as long as they keep going in the right direction, done beyond anyone could have expected so far. Good too see the toon doing well, Liverpool fan here
Liverpool fan here. It was a dive by Jota despite the small amount of contact, but where was the discussion about Joelinton not getting a yellow for using wrestling moves on Szoboszlai in the first half? He should have been sent off for 2 yellows, but literally manhandled Szoboszlai and nothing was given. Why was there no outrage from Alan on that?
The problem with your argument is two things. Miley got a yellow when he shouldn't have. And even IF Joelinton got a yellow in the first half, he would end up playing differently and so wouldn't have likely been sent off. Fans tend to look at yellows as black and white in regards to "if yellow was given earlier then he would have two yellows" that isn't how football works. Footballers will change how they play if they get on a yellow. Hence why he didn't get sent off after getting a yellow.
That's a can of worms Alan can never open - every time I've ever seen Joelinton play he's commited four or five clear yellow card offences, often not receiving a single card for them.
@@ListerWalkthroughs and Newcastle fans haven't shut up about Miley getting that yellow. Let's be honest, is Joelinton had got a yellow he wouldn't have played any different, he's have still tried to run through Liverpool players like he did after getting his first which is why he was pulled off.
@@20undy10 You're misquoting. He said there was small contact and at it was given as a penalty. (he didn't agree that it was a penalty at all). Don't get your news/opinions off twitter, it will rot your brain, genuinely.
Regarding Rangers and Celtic, I think you missed the fact that the standard of teams they are playing against falls well below the standard of the premiership, which is why they stand out. Neither of them win anything when they go into Europe and are often bounced out very early on against better oppositon. If they were considered to join the English league it should be at the level of League one at best.
If the old firm were allowed to join the English league they would be challenging for European spots within 3 or 4 seasons. At the moment Scottish football doesn't have the finance to even compete with championship teams in terms of wages. You are correct about the weekly level they play at but they are 2 of the biggest supported clubs in the world. If they had finance to offer Premier league transfer fees and wages the would both be top 6.
I think they need to revise the advantage rule. If they did the same as rugby, meaning that they could allow advantage, but call it back if the advantage didn't work out, I think it would incentivise players to stay on their feet. That way they get 2 chances to score.
If you make contact with an opponent before playing the ball, that is a foul. Simple. Use Law 18 and send them off for bringing the game into disrepute. That is International Decisions. Go on read it.
How could var have overturned it? The ref gave it, var saw there was contact. That's not a clear and obvious error because the ref has thought there was contact and VAR have confirmed it.
Shearer in 2014 on the Suarez dive: 'I think you've got to give the benefit of the doubt to Suarez there. I know he's gone down too easy at times. 'If Guzan's going to be silly enough to come rushing out like that on a wet pitch, sliding out. What is Suarez expected to do here? 'Is he meant to jump over him and get out of the way and hurdle out of the way, so he doesn't make contact with him? 'Part of a forward's job is when you're racing towards the ball with a goalkeeper, part of your job is to try and get there first and toe poke the ball past him. 'Then the keeper's got a problem. Because once the keeper goes down, he's not in control of his body. 'If the keeper's going to be that stupid to come running out at that pace when he can't control himself. He's asking for trouble. He's asking problems. 'Suarez can't be expected to jump over him then just because he's come running out at his feet.'
They're just hypocrites. Shearer never kicked off about the penalty Newcastle got a week before from a worse dive. There's clips of Neville calling Grealish clever for a worse dive a few months before but he has a meltdown when it's a foreign player.
@@20undy10 The problem with this is it's comming to your club next. All well and good winding up opposition fans when it happens to them but when it happens to your club and others dismiss your complaints then the referrees get a free pass.
Question for you guys: if you were playing in a game where the team needed to score a penalty to take the game to a shootout and you could only take one penalty. Would you rather take the penalty to send it to a penalty shootout but not take one during it or give the deciding penalty away and take it in the shootout?
If it is due to the pitches, then it has to be down to the boot providers to give the players the proper footwear. Probably leaning towards conical studs rather than blades
Alan Shearer bought more fouls by backing into defenders than any other player I can recall in all of my 47 years. Sounds like Gary Neville level hypocrisy to me.
Diving is a part of football now whether we like it or not and its actually become a skill... Most of todays players grown up with it and have probably been doing their entire footballing lives since schoolboy days. In my day you'd have been likely to be kicked by your teammates and manager for diving but now players get instructed to go to ground at the slightest touch in the penalty area....
Ange is style of play, or more importantly training, is a partly to blame for injuries but ange has said this himself as takes a while for players to adapt to changes but it’s not a long term thing just first 6 months as adapt to change of training
I always defined world class means the player is in the top 3 players in their position. But yeah, world class now means much less than back in the 90s/00s
Didn't Gordon dive to get Trent sent off in the first game and then dive to get Endo booked on Monday? Also, ask Alan why he isn't outspoken on Newcastle's ownership. I'll give you a clue why, they make payments to his "charity".
Even Dubravka admitted that there was contact!!!!!!. Joelinton should have been booked 4 times and the ref was an absolute disgrace to remain consistent with all Anfield performances.
Can we not all agree The players will always do what they can to win! It’s the rules and the people running football that are killing it! Not the players There only playing the game
Players dive every single game in the prem, week in and week out, because if you try and stay on your feet you get fuck all. But apparently as soon as it’s a Liverpool player doing it we need a podcast about it. As if Shearer never dived once his career. Get over it. Newcastle were fucking woeful and you were going to get beat anyway. If it was Foden or Saka diving it would be considered a ‘clever tactical play’.
@@negativecreep9320 Classy? Sure you bindippers can talk about class when you're making plane noises at United fans? Like the other guy said "always the victims".
Alan as usual full of bias and hypocrisy considering there’s clips circulating on Twitter of him, the man who ‘hates’ diving, throwing himself to the floor shamelessly for England 😂 so is it ruining the game when it’s against Newcastle Alan but not when you did it in your career? Absolute bell end 😂
Honestly he’s right. But the attackers diving isn’t what’s ruining it the most it’s defenders/midfielders. If they fall over in their own half it’s a foul 99% of the time, really pathetic to watch
Regarding the Jota "dive". I think that the VAR got this (almost) right. Their role is to find definitive evidence that the decision the referee made was wrong. There was contact, and therefore can VAR say the referee was 100% wrong. I am not so sure. What I do think should have happened though, is that the VAR should have recommended to the referee to look at this again on the monitor as there is enough doubt. This is an example of an incident in a match were VAR doesn't help, in fact it makes it worse.
hi guys I would like to ask all three of you About knee slides after scoring a goal. do you think given the injuries that are happening that it puts a strai muscles and joints. I love all your chat and humour.
introduce the scottish prem teams into the carabou cup as a start. keeps separation of leagues, but increases visibility of scottish football across the rest of the uk in general
Nothing wrong with Ange ball, it’s still working and will continue to work. It’s the Spurs medical staff that are the issue, we always get stupid injuries.
Loved Jota at WW, but not his diving. Hate it with a passion. Look at Kilman recently, headbutted, albeit lightly, but because he didn't go down like being shot in the head, nothing given
Pundits keep talking about Newcastle injury crises but as a Liverpool fan when they played all their first team was playing except Pope. Debrakva didn’t look bad No one mentions that Liverpool lost both their left backs, Centre back and more to injuries.
On the injuries thing. Maybe stems from the whole knock-on effect from lockdown and schedule alterations. Then all the international games, plus world cup at the wrong time in the wrong place, all that extra travel,how is it a surprise that there are extra injuries? Look at all the young players suffering burnout early in their careers.
I totally agree with Micah about the quality of player right now is not great. Just compare the top 15 strikers in the world in 2013 2014 to now. NOT IN ORDER (btw most of these players were under 33) 1. Luis Suarez 2. MessI 3. Lewandowski 4. Zlatan 5. Benzema 6. RVP 7. CR7 8. Diego Costa 9. Aguero 10. Falcao 11. Mandzukic 12. Dzeko 13. Tevez 14. Cavani 15. Rooney Now do the top 15 strikers now under 33 NOT IN ORDER 1. Kane 2. Mbappe 3. Osimhen 4. Haaland 5. Toney? 6. Watkins? 7. Nkunku? 8. Gabby Jesus? 9. Honestly I need help, at this rate Nketiah and Hojlund will make the top 15 It's shocking how far the talent has fallen.
Penalties must have been hard for Gary, as it is twice as far as Gary's usual goals.
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Klopp appears to be the only manager using 15/16 players per game which is a compliment to the quality of the squad he has built.
Great management. Don't understand why more managers don't utilise this every game. To have a winger, for example, push hard for 60 mins knowing they are only playing 60 mins match then a sub coming on like for like giving it twice the intensity as their only playing for 30mins. Up against an opposition full back that is playing 90mins will get destroyed. U do that in 4 other key positions and u should win the game. Sounds straight forward and simple yet as u said Klopp does seem to be the only 1 to utilise the extra subs.
All of a sudden he's rotating after using the same dozen players every time for years. 🤣
@@RabnalldoKieran Mckenna does it in the championship with Ipswich. They are currently 2nd (having just come up from league 1) and have scored more goals from the bench than any team in all 4 leagues. He changes the 2 wingers, Number 10 and number 9 around 60 mins. It definitely works. Most of our goals are in the last 20 mins.
I didn’t see Alan say anything about when Isak dived against Nottingham Forest?
Because he didn't dive!
@@GIBBO4182 neither did Jota then
@@siraajuddin736 ok…someone has never played football
Behave. Clear pen
He had an open goal. Why would he dive?
@@GIBBO4182 all I know is. Jota dived and so did Isak. I’m not denying Jota dived but call everyone out on diving and not just when a Liverpool player does it.
Soon as he takes another step with his left he goes down, this was the ankle the keeper caught with his elbow. Wouldn't even be up for debate had this been Kane or Grealish, the narrative would be the keeper made contact and they were clever
when jota dives, it is an embarrassment. when harry kane dives, it is clever.
I don't think Harry Kane would dive after beating the goalkeeper and have an open goal to score. That dive was pretty dumb
@@BruceLee1.0 id like to see you being tripped whilst running at full speed.
@@BruceLee1.0 ruclips.net/video/DTrMrKb-HkY/видео.html
Any English player gets a free pass on here
I'm a Spurs and Kane fan and I'd agree with you. It's a plague on the game and can't be one rule for some and another rule for others. All players should be criticised and Kane definitely has a habit of going down too easily at times
Liverpool had tonnes of injuries when klopp first took over too, its probably some combination of:
- players getting used to it
- getting players in who are better suited to it
- similarly to first point, but the team implmenting more sports science side of things (and maybe the darker side of this too)
Micah explaining how his head had gone because of Salah missing a pen for his fantasy team has brought back some memories I thought I had buried deep enough 😱 good to laugh at his misfortune as a now neutral though 😂
Micah is certainly not wrong. I had Salah as my captain this week in Fantasy Football and I was losing it too with that first penalty miss. Then by the end of the match (with his goal, assist and all the fantasy football points) all was forgiven. 😂
I know. Isn't fantasy football meant to be for kids?
Love hearing about fantasy football through Micah's ups and downs in that Liverpool game, I and many millions are just like Micah. He should be our porte-parole😊
Great show as always lads,the other reason is I can’t remember when I last saw a penalty given where the player has stayed on his feet,and the shirt pulling in the area,and all you hear from most pundits is if they gave a penalty every time there was a shirt pull you would be giving 10 penalties a game,2 answers to that,1 what’s the point pundits are trying to make,2 GIVE THE PENS and then perhaps they will how to defend properly.👍👏💥❤️
Amazing how they focus on Jota but not the appalling dive by Isak. Jota didn’t dive the keeper hit his leg and admitted to it.
Contact doesn't automatically mean a foul
@@Magpie74 but it does when it stops a goal scoring chance and also makes no attempt for the ball. The keeper wasn’t even close to the ball when he made contact. If he doesn’t touch Jota he slots it into an empty net. As he impeded him by the time Jota gets the ball the angle is probably far too tight to score. If he doesn’t go down and doesn’t score, people will say he should have gone down. He goes down on contact and yes exaggerates it and then he’s called out for diving. Many a time Lineker and Shearer have seen a Kane dive and said (a) it’s clever play or (b) he’s entitled to dive as he’s been touched. But because Jota is not English he’s dived and cheated. Didn’t see Alan calling out Isak when he wasn’t even touched and dived to win a penalty vs N Forest. The media have encouraged diving more than anyone else.
@MrBatchy123 goal scoring opportunity? He took 2/3 steps b4 going down. He denied himself the opportunity and all these players act the hard man but then reckon thats enough to bring them down in that fashion?
Yh because tapping someone on the shoulder is the same as knocking someone running off their feet
@kemchy3838 yh because he was really knocked off his feet wasnt he????? He stayed up til he thought he wasn't gonna reach the ball and then dived. So he'd already shown the contact wasnt enough to bring him down and if you wanna continue to try n be a start arse, Longstaff should have had a penalty then cos there was contact there too. Cant have it both ways. Longstaff's was deemed as not enough contact so other one should have been ruled the same way - end off. Now you obviously heavy bias and will no doubt continue black is white so you can do that on your own cos logic is obviously lost of you
Same shearer who lauded calvert Lewin for being "cute and clever" falling over on a header to get a pen against Liverpool same shearer who wrote about "whats a players supposed to do when they are touched in the Box?" His regional bias is unreal! Newcastle keeper admitted he made contact
Players are coached to dive even at non league level. The rules are the problem as players get punished by refs for staying on their feet, instead of taking a dive and getting a free kick.
Thanks for reading out our question guys 20:07, we love the show!
Brilliant as always boys! Ball placement for penalties was good too hear & don’t stress too much on the fantasy football Big Meeks🤪.
I loved they think it’s all over. It was genuinely class. Loved that show. Question of sport but with more humour.
Micah is older than me but I remember the last few seasons of they think it's all over... Gary and Rory as team mates and I'm sure Jonathan Ross was on it too
I think Newcastle went far beyond expectations from when the takeover happened. Now they're in a bit of where they should be in the grand scheme of things.
yehh, was always gonna be a slow build
He had an open goal 1) he didn’t need to dive 2) usually player don’t get up so fast on their feet when they dive, he immediately jumped up because he was angry
FINALLY SOMEONE WITH COMMON SENSE
The best pod in a long time!
really spoiling us with the episodes this week (though the rooney one was a bit weird)
Gary & Alan, Micah is absolutely right about Fantasy Football😂🤣. Next season you have to create one for the channel
If Jota stayed on his feet and missed the chance, everyone would be saying "there was contact, go down". He can't possibly win in this situation. If there was no contact from Dubravka, VAR would have overruled it. Alan has praised Harry Kane in the past for going down easily, where is the consistency?
English bias, what else is new? Alan was insufferable in this episode.
@@verselineswell apparently he stuck up for luis suarez years back for a similar incident to the jota one pal where guzan was the keeper and suarez went down and got a pen I think its because he is a newcastle fan so he is biased in that respect when its against his team its different however other than that he is quite complimentary re liverpool in general to be fair I just think it shows all pundits are biased really and often contradict themselves when it comes to referee calls 🤔
Nah mate he dived, as a striker who ain’t on the pens, don’t know why he did it, saying that he is unselfish as evident with the Jones goal
haha Im with Michah, I play FPL and have a deal with mates in a little league that the winner each month gets brought lunch buy the others. So theres food on the line man :D
As for the dive, I think he was just giving Salah the FPL points as he had him as his captain :D
But the main thing to worry about is if there was no contact Jota would score, there was contact and Liverpool score, made no difference in the end.
Saying that if I was a Newcastle fan I would feel hard done by on that one, as a Liverpool fan, i'll take it because we have had so many bad VAR calls against us this season
Is the injuries not just the consequence of them being pure athletes now? I think Micah was getting at this but I feel like players back in the day didn’t push their bodies to the same limits so got less injuries.
You guys should definitely do an episode listing your World 22 top players of the current generation.
Big Meeks will go on there podcast as he does everything else !!!👍👍
Shearer himself was brilliant at throwing himself over under no pressure, people in glass houses and all that.
Oh no no no no... Shearer was "clever". That's what it's called when an England player does it.
@@chrispalmer7893So true 😂
You clearly didn't grow up watching Shearer.
English players can be just as bad, sure. Kane is one of the biggest divers in the game right now. But Shearer wasn't one of them
@@ayoutubechannel7143 No, he took more than a couple of dives in his time. Will grant you that Kane was worse, but I think that's more down to differences in how they played and the positions they tended to get into rather than because Shearer has some sort of moral high ground here.
For the Angeball question, I think it does cause more injuries as it was the same when he was at Celtic
Funny how they call out a foreign for ''diving'' yet when its kane, gordon, grealish its clever play
Alan hates diving but has no problem kicking a a player on the floor in the face
Wasn't Anelka at Bolton wanderers for a brief time?
Yes, 2006/07 i think .. on a side note he is the number one answer for most pub quiz questions you don't know the answer to.. Underated player.
I think it’s the playing surfaces - they did a doco on the NFL how the synthetic surfaces have correlated to more injuries
Diving for pens is a scourge on our game. And Gary is right - VAR, which is supposed to be there to aid the game, just encourages it
Regarding injuries... I think the stop start nature of the game with VAR involved is part of the issue... you warm up for a reason and stopping for 2-3 mins and then starting again a few times could trigger a hamstring issue or something maybe? I am not an expert so probably wrong 😅😊
Not sure if this commemt will be seen
Loving the show, it has been one of my most anticipated things during a week
I do have a suggestion for the show.
I am watching the show on here RUclips obviously, and loving micahs infectious laughter you guys banter and all.
But when you guys are talking about some incident in the week (e.g. Jota dive in this case)
Would it be possible to inlcude a short clip of that in the video?
So that for those who does not follow everything in the week can easily know what you are talking about, instead of searching on internet and come back
Again loved the show, hope this suggestion finds you well
Anyone know what hoodie Micah’s wearing
Love you guys! You're always so funny 😂
I'd like to ask the strikers on this podcast: if they were through on goal and were touched by the keeper, but could still get to the ball and score, would they fall down and get a penalty which they know they won't be taking, or would they carry on?
As Gary explains - Jota has taken too heavy of a touch which in the moment he worries he won’t be able to reach. However because he felt some contact he decides to go down.
The reason I use the word ‘decides’ is because of the delay between contact and going down.
So to answer your point - it’s better to win a penalty for your team than knock it out of play for a goal kick
@@thebigjr1100% that football nowadays everyone does it
So if in that theory what your saying is correct and his touch is to heavy is that not because of the keepers contact? For me it's a foul if he missed they wouldn't have given a pen because he stayed on his feet that's where the problem is. If it's enough to make him take a heavy touch it's a foul simple really and as for the delay it's not as much of a delay as some are making out. The keeper knocks him out of his stride it's simple it's a foul he didn't get the ball
@@thebigjr1
This doesn't answer his question:
1 - Because you didn't read it properly.
2 - You're not one of the strikers on the pod.
@jamesfitzpatrick847 No question about the foul and penalty, it's just the choice between scoring a goal yourself or having someone else score one. If the striker is really wanting the goal then he will carry on. Personally I think Jota could have got the ball and scored himself but seems he didn't.
Jota was going at pace, goalkeeper hits his left foot, he tried to keep going but lost balance due to the touch on his foot. If it wasn’t a foul, VAR would have overturned it.
World class has to be about accepting the responsibility to impact/win the game and not hiding when things get difficult (i.e., embracing the pressure)
I wonder what shearer thinks about Gordon constantly diving
Shearer speaking on Klopp's passion on the sidlines: "You almost have to admire how much he cares for the club and his players
Shearer speaking on Arteta's passion on the sidelines: "It's a bit embarassing and probably not what the players want to see from their manager"
Why is the energy different??
I think the injuries are to do with the intensity of the sport being increased yearly and because coaches are making the game faster & faster and even more physically demanding, you’re just shortening your own players’ careers even if they have elite endurance.
Yeah, it's a big part. Plus counter intuitively the increased number of subs means coaches and players don't have to converse themselves at all. Footballs gone from being an aerobic heavy sport to a much more anaerobic sport. There's way more off the ball running being done to pull defenders around and even bottom table sides will have 7 or 8 guys in the box at times on both ends of the pitch.
Or players are just soft these days... go back 30 years, look at the brutal tackles and the boggy pitches and tell me there wasn't more chance of injuries back then....
If today's players were only paid when they are fit and available for selection then the number of injuries would half overnight..., fact
@@FortValanceThe boggy pitches are safer to play on than the modern grass/synthetic carpets they have today. Mud and dirt gives way, modern ones catch and rip ligaments/muscles in half
This may be too simple but why can’t two clubs agree in advance of an FA cup game that the result will be settled any not replayed? If both clubs agree it avoids the replay but it does not stop smaller clubs getting replays against large clubs and the financial benefits.
Always used to love They Think It's All Over. I remember when they raced around Silverstone on Go Karts 🤣
Jota went down on the next step he made on the ankle that was clattered by the goalkeeper's elbow. He decided to go down, but there is no doubt that he was knocked off his stride and probably out of confidence in finishing the chance.
That doesn't mean it's a foul. Watch jota's right foot, he can clearly put his foot down normally and recover his balance but he instead drags his toes and goes down. Football is a contact sport and a slight touch is not a foul.
@@SueMyChin Football is a contact sport until contact gives an advantage to one player over their opponent. In this case, Jota was knocked off his stride and out of an easy goal. In all this debate about diving the question "why gamble on a penalty appeal when it seemed easier to tap the ball into an open net" is not being considered enough. If we set aside the sensationalist nonsense and assess the situation logically, we might find a reasonable, even if anticlimactic, answer. Jota likely felt he couldn't score and the reason for that is because he was impeded. Even the slightest touch can gain a huge advantage. The difference between fair contact and foul contact is the outcome not the intent.
@@Rob_and_Other_Names The whole point in making contact with your opponant is to gain an advantage. It's within the rules that you're allowed to do so. It's not a foul. Like a defender putting his arm accross an attacker gives him an advantage but isn't a foul.
He dived because his touch wasn't great and might not have got to the ball.
@@SueMyChin Contact is unavoidable that is why most of it is tolerated. Gaining an advantage from said contact is foul play, that is the rule.
@@Rob_and_Other_Names If that were true players would not be allowed to shield the ball. Law 12 of FIFAs rules say that a foul from contact is only given if the offending player is "careless, reckless or using excessive force". If you trip a player carelessly that's a foul. It's up to debate whether or not the keeper's movement was careless. You could argue that. But there was no reckless intent or excessive force and players are definitely allowed to gain an advantage with contact. This decision was up to referee discretion tbh. Jota did what he had to do to sell it.
Q: What would it take for harry kane to win the ballon d’or this coming year?
If everything goes in his favour, he could win the bundesliga whilst breaking the record for most goals in a season, have a good shot at the champions league, whilst captaining england as the favourites to win the euros this summer.
Assuming that Haaland, Bellingham and Mbappe may be his competition - what will it take?
Winning the euros
A FUCKING MIRACLE 😂
@@johnstewart3011 do you think that would be enough to stand him out enough against bellingham?
@@bobkendall1244 who knows? Ballon dor seems to be more of a popularity contest, also depends on what Jude achieves.
He needed to dive because the keeper did touch his feet and delayed his run, making him unable to reach the ball (in his mind).
Dubravka to NUTV:
"I tried to pull my arms and not catch him. I felt the contact but I don't know what else I should do.
"In the end it was a penalty, so there's no point in arguing with them. With the VAR... I don't know what to say. I tried to save another penalty [from Salah] but it was just a gamble."
You should start a Rest is Football FPL league for next season
When you’re running at full speed, like Jota was, even the slightest touch of a player’s foot will cause him to lose balance, and it’s not always the first step when it happens. Jota had no reason to dive with an open goal in front of him. And Dubravka did admit there was contact
The only thing that dived was Newcastles form this season.
Hilarious.
Deluded
No LiVARpool spent alot of the game throwing themselves on the floor and got two pens from it
& Jota.
Rose tinted specs
If you had to make a squad of 25 players including 3 keepers then whoever gets in that squad is world class
Of all the hypocrisies in modern football, the greatest is watching all these ex-pros pretend that diving is a modern phenomenon. That, and the weird fixation on diving when other forms of cheating are ignored or even applauded. Deliberately fouling a player to prevent a break away is cheating, but is called "taking one for the team". Claiming it's your corner or throw-in when you know the ball came off you is cheating, but it goes completely uncommented. Oh, there's the ever-present hypocrisy over diving seemingly in favour of English players; the favoured English player (the most egregious example in recent years being Harry Kane) was "clever" in how he won that free kick or penalty where a foreign player would be attacked for diving in the exact same circumstances.
The truth about diving is not that it happens more now than it used to, it's that as video technology improved we got better replays and we see it more frequently. It was always there (yes, even in English football despite what you might have heard about "foreign influences" bringing such evils to our hallowed game...)
Gary and Alan lose a lot of credibility when there calling out Jota but NEVER called out Harry Kane. Who I’ve watched dive at least 10 times during the PL area or for England
On the point of Eddie Howe being under pressure, it's more of a crossroads for the owners than it is for him: what kind of club are they trying to build? Is it the Chelsea model, where the managers come and go every other season depending on immediate levels of success, or is it the City/Liverpool model, where the managers are given time? I would hope it's the latter, as a Toon fan.
Hopefully they will give him time as long as they keep going in the right direction, done beyond anyone could have expected so far.
Good too see the toon doing well, Liverpool fan here
Liverpool fan here. It was a dive by Jota despite the small amount of contact, but where was the discussion about Joelinton not getting a yellow for using wrestling moves on Szoboszlai in the first half? He should have been sent off for 2 yellows, but literally manhandled Szoboszlai and nothing was given. Why was there no outrage from Alan on that?
The problem with your argument is two things. Miley got a yellow when he shouldn't have. And even IF Joelinton got a yellow in the first half, he would end up playing differently and so wouldn't have likely been sent off.
Fans tend to look at yellows as black and white in regards to "if yellow was given earlier then he would have two yellows" that isn't how football works.
Footballers will change how they play if they get on a yellow. Hence why he didn't get sent off after getting a yellow.
That's a can of worms Alan can never open - every time I've ever seen Joelinton play he's commited four or five clear yellow card offences, often not receiving a single card for them.
@@ListerWalkthroughs and Newcastle fans haven't shut up about Miley getting that yellow. Let's be honest, is Joelinton had got a yellow he wouldn't have played any different, he's have still tried to run through Liverpool players like he did after getting his first which is why he was pulled off.
Mate, the keeper himself said he made contact and it was a penalty. END of story
@@20undy10 You're misquoting.
He said there was small contact and at it was given as a penalty. (he didn't agree that it was a penalty at all).
Don't get your news/opinions off twitter, it will rot your brain, genuinely.
When Harry kane gets a penalty in the euros like Jota's, they will call him clever.
I think the injuries are partly down to var a lot more standing around and stop start waiting on decisions waiting on var
Apart from when an English player does it
There was contact btw. Its a penalty.
Regarding Rangers and Celtic, I think you missed the fact that the standard of teams they are playing against falls well below the standard of the premiership, which is why they stand out. Neither of them win anything when they go into Europe and are often bounced out very early on against better oppositon. If they were considered to join the English league it should be at the level of League one at best.
If the old firm were allowed to join the English league they would be challenging for European spots within 3 or 4 seasons. At the moment Scottish football doesn't have the finance to even compete with championship teams in terms of wages. You are correct about the weekly level they play at but they are 2 of the biggest supported clubs in the world. If they had finance to offer Premier league transfer fees and wages the would both be top 6.
I think they need to revise the advantage rule. If they did the same as rugby, meaning that they could allow advantage, but call it back if the advantage didn't work out, I think it would incentivise players to stay on their feet. That way they get 2 chances to score.
If you make contact with an opponent before playing the ball, that is a foul. Simple. Use Law 18 and send them off for bringing the game into disrepute. That is International Decisions. Go on read it.
How could var have overturned it? The ref gave it, var saw there was contact. That's not a clear and obvious error because the ref has thought there was contact and VAR have confirmed it.
Have any of you look at the replay? Klopp is a General. This is why Klopp was smiling from ear to ear in preseason, he knew what he had to work with
Funny how Alan only has a problem when it happens against newcastle.
Yep said nothing About the arsenal goal
he was insufferable in this episode.
@@jamesjasons1980 with the exception of newcastle vs arsenal😂
@@jamesjasons1980 Now. don't get your panties in a bunch. Fact is, he went on about Jota diving. . Yet when Kane did it, he called it' being clever'.
@jjc1985 it certainly was not, if you are going down that route, then the jota penalty is 100% a penalty 0% diving
Has anyone seen that YT short video of Micah's dive with Villa? 😂😂😂😂
Shearer in 2014 on the Suarez dive:
'I think you've got to give the benefit of the doubt to Suarez there. I know he's gone down too easy at times.
'If Guzan's going to be silly enough to come rushing out like that on a wet pitch, sliding out. What is Suarez expected to do here?
'Is he meant to jump over him and get out of the way and hurdle out of the way, so he doesn't make contact with him?
'Part of a forward's job is when you're racing towards the ball with a goalkeeper, part of your job is to try and get there first and toe poke the ball past him.
'Then the keeper's got a problem. Because once the keeper goes down, he's not in control of his body.
'If the keeper's going to be that stupid to come running out at that pace when he can't control himself. He's asking for trouble. He's asking problems.
'Suarez can't be expected to jump over him then just because he's come running out at his feet.'
They're just hypocrites. Shearer never kicked off about the penalty Newcastle got a week before from a worse dive. There's clips of Neville calling Grealish clever for a worse dive a few months before but he has a meltdown when it's a foreign player.
It's still a blatant dive though. Whatabouism is no defence.
@@SueMyChin more of the cry arsing from Shearer rather than defending Jota
@@20undy10 The problem with this is it's comming to your club next. All well and good winding up opposition fans when it happens to them but when it happens to your club and others dismiss your complaints then the referrees get a free pass.
@SueMyChin my club had a legimate goal incorrectly ruled offside and the PGMOL admitted the mistake
It’s part of football now, if a player feels any contact they falling like they got by a sniper
Question for you guys: if you were playing in a game where the team needed to score a penalty to take the game to a shootout and you could only take one penalty. Would you rather take the penalty to send it to a penalty shootout but not take one during it or give the deciding penalty away and take it in the shootout?
If it is due to the pitches, then it has to be down to the boot providers to give the players the proper footwear. Probably leaning towards conical studs rather than blades
Question of sport was my favourite especially phill tuffers absolutely 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Loving the podcast lads
Gary would you ever take the England job if asked
Alan Shearer bought more fouls by backing into defenders than any other player I can recall in all of my 47 years. Sounds like Gary Neville level hypocrisy to me.
The question about Bolton, Gary, was clearly meant for the other two, because they were playing during that era.
Diving is a part of football now whether we like it or not and its actually become a skill...
Most of todays players grown up with it and have probably been doing their entire footballing lives since schoolboy days.
In my day you'd have been likely to be kicked by your teammates and manager for diving but now players get instructed to go to ground at the slightest touch in the penalty area....
Ange is style of play, or more importantly training, is a partly to blame for injuries but ange has said this himself as takes a while for players to adapt to changes but it’s not a long term thing just first 6 months as adapt to change of training
Isak dive not worth a mention Alan ffs Y.N.W.A 97
Alan... Be a professional... You are giving this lovely podcast a sour name.... Chill bro
I always defined world class means the player is in the top 3 players in their position. But yeah, world class now means much less than back in the 90s/00s
Didn't Gordon dive to get Trent sent off in the first game and then dive to get Endo booked on Monday?
Also, ask Alan why he isn't outspoken on Newcastle's ownership. I'll give you a clue why, they make payments to his "charity".
Even Dubravka admitted that there was contact!!!!!!.
Joelinton should have been booked 4 times and the ref was an absolute disgrace to remain consistent with all Anfield performances.
Can we not all agree The players will always do what they can to win! It’s the rules and the people running football that are killing it! Not the players There only playing the game
Players dive every single game in the prem, week in and week out, because if you try and stay on your feet you get fuck all. But apparently as soon as it’s a Liverpool player doing it we need a podcast about it. As if Shearer never dived once his career. Get over it. Newcastle were fucking woeful and you were going to get beat anyway. If it was Foden or Saka diving it would be considered a ‘clever tactical play’.
Always the victims.
@@badofcheeseAlways a classy response 🫶 You know, despite Newcastle fans being the ones whinging nonstop for days.
@@badofcheese The stereotype about Liverpool fans is so real.
@@SteveAustin-zv1nn The stereotype about your mum is real
@@negativecreep9320 Classy? Sure you bindippers can talk about class when you're making plane noises at United fans? Like the other guy said "always the victims".
Alan as usual full of bias and hypocrisy considering there’s clips circulating on Twitter of him, the man who ‘hates’ diving, throwing himself to the floor shamelessly for England 😂 so is it ruining the game when it’s against Newcastle Alan but not when you did it in your career?
Absolute bell end 😂
Alan can't hide his emotions talking about how good Liverpool was... he looked like he's about to cry 🥲
Keep smoking
Honestly he’s right. But the attackers diving isn’t what’s ruining it the most it’s defenders/midfielders. If they fall over in their own half it’s a foul 99% of the time, really pathetic to watch
Regarding the Jota "dive". I think that the VAR got this (almost) right. Their role is to find definitive evidence that the decision the referee made was wrong. There was contact, and therefore can VAR say the referee was 100% wrong. I am not so sure. What I do think should have happened though, is that the VAR should have recommended to the referee to look at this again on the monitor as there is enough doubt.
This is an example of an incident in a match were VAR doesn't help, in fact it makes it worse.
hi guys I would like to ask all three of you About knee slides after scoring a goal. do you think given the injuries that are happening that it puts a strai muscles and joints. I love all your chat and humour.
introduce the scottish prem teams into the carabou cup as a start. keeps separation of leagues, but increases visibility of scottish football across the rest of the uk in general
No. They've there own cup competitions.
Nothing wrong with Ange ball, it’s still working and will continue to work. It’s the Spurs medical staff that are the issue, we always get stupid injuries.
Loved Jota at WW, but not his diving. Hate it with a passion. Look at Kilman recently, headbutted, albeit lightly, but because he didn't go down like being shot in the head, nothing given
31:09 “Steve! Steve!”
Fantasy Football ruins the way you watch games so I take some distance to it while I watch games. Still play it, just abit casual.
Tell you what is ruining the game. Nation states taking over football clubs. Alan?
Diving is killing the game. Time to introduce a 10 minute sin bin for blatant simulation.
Pundits keep talking about Newcastle injury crises but as a Liverpool fan when they played all their first team was playing except Pope. Debrakva didn’t look bad
No one mentions that Liverpool lost both their left backs, Centre back and more to injuries.
On the injuries thing.
Maybe stems from the whole knock-on effect from lockdown and schedule alterations.
Then all the international games, plus world cup at the wrong time in the wrong place, all that extra travel,how is it a surprise that there are extra injuries?
Look at all the young players suffering burnout early in their careers.
"Explain to our younger viewers what it was Gary"
Micha embarrassed to say he'd never heard of it before.
I totally agree with Micah about the quality of player right now is not great. Just compare the top 15 strikers in the world in 2013 2014 to now. NOT IN ORDER (btw most of these players were under 33)
1. Luis Suarez
2. MessI
3. Lewandowski
4. Zlatan
5. Benzema
6. RVP
7. CR7
8. Diego Costa
9. Aguero
10. Falcao
11. Mandzukic
12. Dzeko
13. Tevez
14. Cavani
15. Rooney
Now do the top 15 strikers now under 33 NOT IN ORDER
1. Kane
2. Mbappe
3. Osimhen
4. Haaland
5. Toney?
6. Watkins?
7. Nkunku?
8. Gabby Jesus?
9. Honestly I need help, at this rate Nketiah and Hojlund will make the top 15
It's shocking how far the talent has fallen.