As a fellow seeker I am just in awe how good Mitch Horowitz is. His books, if possible, are even better. Its funny how the path leads to different doors and its ones oppurtunity to open the door and see for him/herself what lies beyond. My opinnion about satanism/luciferism has changed dramatically after I started to do proper research on it and I agree a lot what Mitch is saying about the topic.
Very much enjoying Mitch on the channel. Gotta confess I tried to get a parapsych PhD going myself and failed - huge opposition in UK sceptic establishment. I've also nursed mixed feelings towards my own self described Satanist phase, Mitch clearly has done his own very detailed research and speaks well of the motivation towards affiliating with the religion. He hasn't really touched on the pop culture side of it here but as noted it's clear Gen P Orridge / Boyd rice music have had an influence. I'd like to hear him talk more about la bas (Huysman novel). Interestingly only recently discovered that many English dignitaries in my locality were described as Satanists, there was allegedly one who wouldn't hire anyone who didn't accept Satan as lord of the earth, and the hellfire clubs could really be described as monied English gentry defying societal norms as they were immune from consequence. I've found at least 3 examples of this, which tends to be missing from modern Satanists overviews of the religion/stance. Also the modern friction between the church of Satan (Lavey) and the, in my opinion insufferable Temple of Satan lead by "Lucien greaves" and it's agenda to inflame conservatism politically with its stunts and awful Netflix documentary. The only counterpoint really to Mitch's actually incredibly moral satanism is the fact that the likes of deranged sex murderers also professed satanism, such as Ramirez and the "beast of jersey". It wasn't a good fit for me despite joining (ie paying $100) the church of Satan they seemed to be really down on anything metaphysical - despite Lavey at times postulating successful usage of spiritual operations (and to be fair at times proffering the opposite). There are also people on YT claiming that satanic cabals are actually very real and a lot of this seems to have attracted schizoid and antisocial evangelical elements. Personally I think I transcended satanism, the Laveyan affiliation did help me enjoy a gothic aesthetic I was attracted to and.also to be fair deal with crippling anxiety that was in part inspired from evangelical upbringing, and only now am.i reconciled to it in a nice way. I still wouldn't like it to be widely known about me unlike Mitch as I don't think it'd do me any favours and didn't make me any friends! I would describe myself as mystcially.imclined and liked the way Steiner described the actions of the devil in a more 'out of place but a helpful part of human nature' way. Would like mitch write a book on Satan's place in the world.
The comments section is one of the best for this channel - thanks to all. Mitch reminds me of an acquaintance who had a spider's web tattooed all over his face - and then sneered at people who were put off by him - he couldn't get a job, unsurprisingly. And another chap who had a misspent youth and although quite bright, squandered his opportunities in childish posturing. His "bad boy" image had made him a popular youth, but this fades when we grow older. Later he regretted it of course, and, unable to just admit he'd been foolish and move on, sought to reframe his life with a positive-negative spin - a sort of "I was right all along and you're just too stupid to get me" attitude. I want to put my arms around Mitch and whisper, "grow up, love, you're crowding 60". One serious point though, Mitch can't honestly say he is the only subject of his "experiments" as he has two children. There has to be some knock- on effect and some responsibility.
If, in this lifetime, one desired to attain the realization of Ultimate Reality, they could hardly choose a more advantage parentage than that of Mitch Horowitz.
Archetypes have a positive and negative side. Satan in The Garden of Eden myth is a positive force which promotes self-awareness and intelligence. However, absolute evil does exist in the human psyche. When we deny it we see it in others through projection. And if we repress and ignore it, it can act through us unconsciously. If we accept it we can contain it and express it safely.
Thank you for being open to discussion on subjects many people abhor. As with everything , with the passage of time , corruption of truth unfolds and when we question these things, we learn perhaps, that all things derive from one source. Personally, I think the left hand path is basically a selfish rather than an evil one and the right hand path rooted in love and group relationship will always prevail.
Exactly right. A society of Left Hand Path types would be a hellish place of greedy, narcissistic, atomized, warring people with no shared culture or spirit. Come to think of it, it would be a lot like the worst aspects of modern America.
Groups can ostracize the one, don't forget which makes for a different perspective on both left and right hand paths and their overarching archetypes... I believe there is often a Promethean sense born of that which is not selfish but tends to be the opposite. I hope you don't see this as an argument but merely a perspective brought forth. :: Though the Promethean might be disagreed with here in particular, it /is/ a perspective one might take.
A middle-aged man who wants to be taken seriously should consider NOT wearing black nail polish. From the comments this appears to be the least popular of the episodes ever.
He seems to be finessing the meaning to enhance his individuality. It is fundamentally a self centered belief system, rebellious and contrary to the traditional notion of dedication to helping others. I don’t feel he is speaking to be understood tho. An exercise in the swing of the pendulum, I think.
(5:56-6:10) I think he might have just described Jesus: " Rebellious, anti-heroic, revolutionary, against the grain, outside." The description of "the mythic santanic" needs to focus on: against the grain of what? Rebellious against what? Outside of what? (Don't have time to write an essay)
I'm not sure why Mitch is a Satanist after viewing this. And I don't understand the belief system or what makes it attractive. I still wonder, Why Satanism? What form of it does Mitch practice? Are there rituals? Does he pray to Satan? I have seen him exult, "Hail Satan!" as a salutation. What does that mean? Is he hailing the wisdom of this deity? What are the specific attributes of Satan in his view? One wonders if this isn't a punk religion, and therefore a provocation. Is this more than spectacle? Let's get into the meat of this belief system as Mitch practices it.
I know Mitch studied Manley P Hall . In all of his lectures he always ends up talking about moral codes and the problem with our society is not black or white magic but grey .
"GOD" and "Satan." Different masks on the same face. All Archon Religion - worship of the non-integrated, shadow-driven ego. All shadows on the wall; illusion. The True Divine Intelligence is within you, not outside of you. "To literalize a myth or symbol and require its worship, on the other hand, is the oldest of religious sins: idolatry." --James Hollis
Satanism is a very misleading and loaded term. If you don't believe in a being called "Satan", why call yourself a Satanist? Thomas LeRoy has a better term -- "Sinisterism" -- which refers to "left-handedness", as in a follower of the Left Hand Path. That's exactly what Mitch is.
Both ethics and empathy do not simply originate in the human psyche or even just in human emotionality. Those two are POSITIVE qualities that originate in very basic cosmic laws. Some Satanists are maybe not evil (negative) by primal inner intention but it is not evilness itself that matters here, what is important is a more or less covertly antagonistic orientation of Satanism towards ideas of ethics and empathy. The point is that this antagonistic tendency also is not only a simple emotional expression and nothing more but it is a NEGATIVE quality that also originates in very basic cosmic laws. A good explanation is here: www.lawofone.info/
Mitch's responsibility to himself in experimentation and ethic is definitely honorable. He KNOWS himself and does because he's taken this path unto himself.
Very interesting discussion. Mitch is a brilliant guy, notice it takes him along a meandering path to divulge an answer occasionally. His philosophy is complicated so I can understand why he's evasive. I think negative entities can help people, give them prosperity, fame, love, many desires in this life. If a person wants to conduct ceremonies with lamb's blood, wear skull and skeleton tattoos, enjoy orgies, I think it's their right too. Include me out (my fantasies satiate some acts). I can't control every dark thought that comes into my mind, can't even ignore all my carnal impulses. I am that I am, I don't deny it or accept it as "my shadow side." There is an afterlife, just want to go the place where the positive spirits dwell, the best way to do it is being a good person. I think I'm earning that right thus far.
Managed another couple of minutes of this young puppy...and then couldn’t sacrifice any more time. But thank you Jeffrey for highlighting the core of the problem
Bingo. Narcissism, egotism, atomism, hedonism, materialism -- the worst aspects of modern society, turned into a religion. It's really an anti-religion, perfectly designed to destroy culture and civilization.
@@gregoryallen0001 Nietzsche, like LaVey, is another "Satanic" thinker whose life was a total disaster. "By their fruits ye shall know them", as the saying goes.
If we were in heaven and we heard Yahweh talking about creating the earth and how he was going to set up a game, a maze if you will. And, everyone who worshipped him won the game, figured out the maze. And, Yahweh said he was going to mightily reward all these game-winners who worshipped him and appeased his ego. Yahweh said good works weren't that important to him. What was essential to win the game was to worship him! Sing his praises! If you did that...you win! Now, Yahweh shook his head and said, anyone who does not worship me, I am going to torture and torment and burn for all eternity. Ha! That will teach them to worship other gods! I don't give a damn how good they might be if they worship Buddha or Krisna or no god at all I am gonna fry them! Yahweh gets a maniacal look in his eye like he has lost it. What would we do? We would want to warn the earth people about his horrible god and what he had planned for the earth. Well, that is what Satan did. A true angel of light he rebelled against this wicked god. He tried to help Eve get knowledge from the forbidden tree. To this very day, he tries to help us escape this sadistic tyrannical god and his hold over mankind. The Christian god teaches we are born sinful, carnal, evil. His Zeitgeist is one of guilt and shame. Satan the Angel of Light comes to free us from all that and to teach us we are beautiful and good.
I'd love to know more about Mr. Mishlove's personal philosophy and spiritual path. He keeps pretty quiet about it, though his choice of guests probably says something important. He seems to be quite an edge-lord behind the mild-mannered Wisconsin persona, particularly for a 70 year old man.
Could compare how "Marxist" is used to evoke a negative visceral response without fully understanding the cultural programming behind it. A lot of our good vs evil programming comes from the Abrahamic religions. It seems like a lot of cultural programming plays into human need to be included in the "good" people category.
@@thursoberwick1948 I've particularly enjoyed Marxist analysis when it is applied to discussing class war, the Commons, economies based on co-ops. It's like stepping outside of a stifling room where only the virtues capitalism have been allowed to be discussed and getting some fresh air. I'm old enough to remember Duck and Cover, which if you think about it, makes no sense. I remember what they told us are the evils of Communism are now realities in late stage capitalism. There are different types of socialism. Not all are highly state controlled and oppressive.
"to fail to ask the question" is "to fail to define one's basic terms" I see this as perhaps the most pervasive and disturbingly popular defect amongst those who, in haste, arrogantly and vehemently proclaim to know what's best for the other, all while building beliefs upon foundations of slippery shifting sands. Thank you both for kindly and patiently showing the fundamental importance of asking questions and defining terms in the relational practice of exchanging information, knowledge and wisdom. Blessings to all!!!
The story in Genesis 3 has some similarities to the Babylonian myth of Adapa, who was called "son of Ea", the Babylonian god of intelligence. Adapa is summoned before the chief god, Anu, for committing a crime and Ea tells him not to eat or drink what Anu offers him because he will die. When Anu offers him the food and drink of life (immortality), Adapa refuses and tells Anu that Ea told him not to accept what he offered him. Anu realizes that Ea lied to Adapa and punishes him. The story in Genesis 3 seems like a strange inversion of this myth as the serpent was a symbol of Ea, yet it is Yahweh (an epithet for El, the Canaanite equivalent of Anu) who is depicted as a liar. To me, this indicates that it isn't wise to take the Biblical stories at face value and side with the obvious hero (the serpent), because this may have been the intention of those who wrote the Old Testament, who don't really seem to have liked Yahweh very much judging by how he is portrayed.
Interesting! These stories, all stories, are geared towards their audiences so that we can relate to them. None of them are factual, but we can get a general idea. God shed blood in the garden to cover their nakedness because blood is the only currency the Spirit world understands.
The last line in the Lord's Prayer is : and deliver us from the deceptive or ones who lie and deceive, the word is lukavago or лукаваго in the Old Church Slavonic; when translated into latin this becomes an abstraction, such as evil, or devil or satan, but let's be very clear it is about real people who lie and cheat and deceive. Save us from, deliver us from the ones who lie, cheat, deceive, deliberately try to mislead us, no abstractions there, nothing but cold reality. I have unsubscribed.
I guess the risk Jeffrey has taken all his life, is upsetting people. If you're going to look into taboo subjects, you are going to get casualties. I'm sure he is quite aware of that. I agree with what you say about translations - and Mitch also talked about translations of translations etc. I can't remember who said it, but this quote comes to mind - "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the end your right to say it". Take care.
Spot on re the "just because it's familiar, doesn't make it true" sentiment. The press does this routinely. They broadcast a lie, repeat and repeat it, on the hour every hour and it becomes a fact. People believe it because "everyone knows it's true". You can trace stories from the original report in a tabloid, which is exaggerated, spun or simply untrue, or "opinion". Other papers and news outlets report on the report, the whole thing gets reduced to a soundbite and three days later, there you have it. It's a fact. They do it again and again. It's why I never watch/listen/read any "news".
Goetia stuff is nothing but letting these “ coded pokemons” enter one’s mini quantum computer ( brain). And yes we can use them as viruses to hack other computers and edit / alter codes. But energy is always paid for such stuff. That’s the price. The reason we are advised against such stuff is because the only time we seem to be safe when entering the aether or the computer/ matrix realm is during sleeping. And we won’t get to remember what we learn and experience most of the time. But opening our computer gates outside of sleep basically is like using a computer without virus scan or firewall. We are susceptible to let codes/scripts/bugs/viruses entering our brain computer and you can guess the rest.
MsRhuby you may like my channel then. I research such stuff for years and my focus is trying to find scientific explanations for my research results into occult.
He looks and talks like a New York corporate lawyer or accountant wearing a Halloween costume with his leather jacket, tattoos and black nail polish 🤭😄 Dude. You're lost.
Because you don't know what it is. Did you hear the part where Mitch laid out very clearly what his interpretation of Satanism is? ...or are you going with the Hollywood version and projecting that on him. "New Thinking Allowed"
@@aboveallthingslove6349 Satan is an egregore loaded with "bad mojo". You can redefine it as unicorns and kittens, but that doesn't change the deeper nature of the egregore, or the danger of playing around with it.
From the start this chap is excusing himself as a contrarian who uses terms in a non-conventional way -- which indicates either that he purposefully wishes to be misunderstood. He rejects the usage of language which communicates to most people, he claims 'historical integrity' but revises the Hebrew and English language from tradition to meet his own egocentric needs. No good/evil but empathy/spite? I don't think 'spite' is a good word for the systemic sexual abuse of prepubescent children, do you? 'Utter badness', 'ultimate badness' perhaps -- but isn't that the usual meaning of 'evil'? To say that Judaism did not or does not ascribe good guy/bad guy ... it's just plain wrong. Whilst Judaism attempts to deal with humans as the flawed creatures we are, it certainly remembers bad bad people of the past (Purim coming up). But then the guest goes on to talk about spirits and demons, so maybe he didn't mean 'guy.' Seems childish and narcissistic. He doesn't even provide citation or reference for his central points but refers to 'some scholars.' 'Experts say' is so 20th century pulp media and corporate TV. Jeffrey: many thanks for asking the questions, and kudos to the guest for having the courage to be open to them. Denial of HaShem is merely a display of ignorance, which I do not mean pejoratively. As I have heard Buddha said, Gd may not be relevant to you. But academically, it is frequently stated that HaShem is beyond good and evil (to coin a phrase), beyond everything.
"No good/evil but empathy/spite? I don't think 'spite' is a good word for the systemic sexual abuse of prepubescent children, do you?" Great point. Nails b.s. semantics to the wall.
Yeah, if the Jewish god is so transcendent and ubiquitous why the heck does he want circumcision then??? That's totally - excuse the phrasing here - nuts. It makes literally no sense and once said, once can almost hear his his fake beard falling off. Let alone the horrors inflicted on the Gaza strip.
@@jadapinkett1656 Here is a serious (and funny) discussion on the video content, but the first hater to comment gets a special like from Jeffrey? Uncool.
Satanism🙄Childish is what it is. Petty and childish. And when in a grown ups body, petty childish behaviour becomes ridiculous...young souls being what they are. Bless em😚
Don't let Mr. Horowitz fool you -- he is no Philosopher or Intellectual. He reminds me of those troglodytes who takes a crap on a canvas and call themselves "artists". Lots of artists out there. Aspiring artists, failed artists.... scam artists....
Spirituality is the recognition of the immortality of soul and soul's divine origin. Satan does not have the power to create souls or liberate them. Satan's job is to mislead souls and keep them from returning to their true home.
@@jadapinkett1656 The true home is the higher state that all mystical religion talks about. It is where the soul came from before it entered the physical realm.
I have some friends in the Satanic Temple.....very nice people. I've even met Lucien Greaves in Salem and he's a really great guy and he doesn't embrace that Ann Rand crap like we seen with Anton Levey. The only group I don't like is the Dragon Rouge of Sweden which has a Polish branch, and its rumored a branch in the UK. But I don't like them because of the way they wear ski masks and wave firearms around. I mean if you're a great occultist...why wave guns around? I've also read in some of the member's books that you don't have to bother banishing what you've summoned....which is a horrible was to treat your muggle neighbors. Actually that is the best way to turn your muggle neighbors into blood thirsty fanatics. And that's something none of us need at this very dangerous time.
Speaking of conspiracy, it is an intriguing theory that David Berkowitz, Charles Manson, Sirhan Sirhan, might each or all be the product of MK Ultra. Jonestown too.
What in the world is this guy talking about?! What are those people called that go out of their way to use SAT words to make a simple point? What a pretentious d b.
As an open mind who studies perspective with reason my favorite bits discussed Satanic panic and ritual abuse, and even the libel was touched on what? You're really breaking the spell. And true to the rebel there seemed to be a couple [SHHHHHH] points throughout. Not a bad video. Thanks for sharing.
@@LeeGee unless its an open sabotage agreement which I've spoken to others on, experienced, and researched. Get enough people together to say a thing and a witch hunt can look an awful lot like witnesses at a trial.
@@LeeGee you didn't even watch this video if your response is about openly siding with evil after my comment about satanic panic and ritual abuse. Blood libel and the prior are ritualistic attacks or otherwise studied in criminological findings which I find fascinating 🤔 satanic panic is what occurred as a form of light witch burning against paganism and satanic ritual abuse was investigated by the FBI extensively though some information available is coincidentally syncing with the satanic panic and could be propaganda
I went to Heaven only to realize that the Golden Rule and Christian Values become Forbidden Sins while remembering my nieghbors burning in Gods Cosmic Nazi Camp. So then Heaven becomes a Selfish Egocentric and Satanic Dystopia where Empathy, Compassion, Mercy, Love, Forgivness, Depression are Forbidden Sins.
@@msrhuby Im aware of standard evangelical theology. Either dehumanize and demonize your nieghbors being tortured in Hell, convince yourself that they want to be tortured forever, or God will erase the memories of your loved ones in hell so you can enjoy the Bliss. All the answers are inadequate and ultimately Selfish and Wrong relative to common Christian Ethics and the Golden Rule.
@@pcb8059 What if there is no hell in the sense of burning in torment forever? What if the "burning in torment" was instead a state of mind, regret, because of a missed opportunity of everlasting life? What if hell just meant having to start all over again at the bottom of the food chain only to be "reincarnated" over and over again each time, hopefully, to a higher state of consciousness until eventually, hopefully, we become fully human able to recognize our Creator?
@@pcb8059 As they say, religion is for those who are afraid to go to hell, Spirituality is for those who have been there. The only doctrine I hold to is that Jesus died in my place, rose from the dead to everlasting life so that I can too. The devil is in the details. I criticize no one because each of us is accountable to God alone. All religions have a piece of the puzzle. Who am I to go against the wind....I know what I know ~ Paul Simon
Empathy and spite? So where is hate? Because hate is quite real. I think that you can dodge the real issues of good and evil all day long with as much intellectual psycho babble as you want, but to deny evil is insulting and leaves me to wonder if you are being dishonest with yourself or the public. I have come to believe that hubris is the one character flaw that separates man from God above all others. And man, you are FULL of it. You own only two shirts? Sounds like being a Satanist is not panning out for u. Really - who are u kidding here? Arrogance and denial are a stomach churning combination.
God seems to have more characteristics of Satan than Satan does. Satan wanted us to have knowledge and God wants us to remain ignorant. God seems like a big fat bully to me...and no, I'm not a Satanist, just my interpretation of the bible.
So many aggressive people here. Mitch is a brilliant man who articulates very clearly what his ethics are and his definition of goodness in regard to dealing with others. @Ozzy Bin Oswald that is an unfair comment and it makes me wonder if you even listened to the conversation past the one-minute mark. Demonizing Mitch with your "toothbrush mustache" remark shows impulsive childlike behavior and low emotional intelligence. You should take it back.
BTW, if u knew anything about your own history, the Hebrews were not monotheistic , they were polytheistic which is the very reason God accused them of whoring and divorced them from the position of the “chosen”.
He didn't deny that; he didn't attempt to address all of Hebrew history. HaShem often blasted the people for not following the law -- it is that for which they were chosen.
Adam and Eave were given a body, having already been Gods children in heaven. When the devil tempted Eave, it was Eaves desire to be like God and have children. God being Dad kicked his children out of the garden (house), and everyone born was actually Gods children. God gave Adam a way everyone could redeem themselves, and told Cain and Abel how to do it, but Cain didn't make the right offering, and Abel was given conformation from God, he did it right, and the rebel in the family killed him, took a sister and left. Because the redemption is by family, a blessing given by God, it only passes from person to person directly and only survived up to Noah. Because that blessing is passed like that, and God knew that it would be destroyed if he didn't do anything, and because of everyone who was related to Cain would not be redeemed, God had little choice but to destroy them or non would be redeemed. When we are redeemed it is by family, because our survival depends on it, even after death. After that, Noah would have stayed alive by the power of God, God fully knowing the family rebels would destroy that blessing again, and so the torch is passed to protect that blessing. It was the same with Egypt, when the torch was passed to Mosses, and God didn't have any choice in the matter but to destroy them, because when the torch is passed the one who held it retires. This then again died out, because of the family rebels, and that's when Jesus came into the picture to restore it, but then was cut off by the family rebels. Either your like that and understand that, or you not.
"If you could have any three people (alive today) at a dinner party. . . " Jeffrey and Mitch would be very strong contenders. Thank you guys!
As a fellow seeker I am just in awe how good Mitch Horowitz is. His books, if possible, are even better. Its funny how the path leads to different doors and its ones oppurtunity to open the door and see for him/herself what lies beyond. My opinnion about satanism/luciferism has changed dramatically after I started to do proper research on it and I agree a lot what Mitch is saying about the topic.
Very much enjoying Mitch on the channel. Gotta confess I tried to get a parapsych PhD going myself and failed - huge opposition in UK sceptic establishment. I've also nursed mixed feelings towards my own self described Satanist phase, Mitch clearly has done his own very detailed research and speaks well of the motivation towards affiliating with the religion. He hasn't really touched on the pop culture side of it here but as noted it's clear Gen P Orridge / Boyd rice music have had an influence. I'd like to hear him talk more about la bas (Huysman novel). Interestingly only recently discovered that many English dignitaries in my locality were described as Satanists, there was allegedly one who wouldn't hire anyone who didn't accept Satan as lord of the earth, and the hellfire clubs could really be described as monied English gentry defying societal norms as they were immune from consequence. I've found at least 3 examples of this, which tends to be missing from modern Satanists overviews of the religion/stance. Also the modern friction between the church of Satan (Lavey) and the, in my opinion insufferable Temple of Satan lead by "Lucien greaves" and it's agenda to inflame conservatism politically with its stunts and awful Netflix documentary. The only counterpoint really to Mitch's actually incredibly moral satanism is the fact that the likes of deranged sex murderers also professed satanism, such as Ramirez and the "beast of jersey".
It wasn't a good fit for me despite joining (ie paying $100) the church of Satan they seemed to be really down on anything metaphysical - despite Lavey at times postulating successful usage of spiritual operations (and to be fair at times proffering the opposite). There are also people on YT claiming that satanic cabals are actually very real and a lot of this seems to have attracted schizoid and antisocial evangelical elements.
Personally I think I transcended satanism, the Laveyan affiliation did help me enjoy a gothic aesthetic I was attracted to and.also to be fair deal with crippling anxiety that was in part inspired from evangelical upbringing, and only now am.i reconciled to it in a nice way. I still wouldn't like it to be widely known about me unlike Mitch as I don't think it'd do me any favours and didn't make me any friends! I would describe myself as mystcially.imclined and liked the way Steiner described the actions of the devil in a more 'out of place but a helpful part of human nature' way.
Would like mitch write a book on Satan's place in the world.
A thousand thanks for this great discussion!
The comments section is one of the best for this channel - thanks to all. Mitch reminds me of an acquaintance who had a spider's web tattooed all over his face - and then sneered at people who were put off by him - he couldn't get a job, unsurprisingly. And another chap who had a misspent youth and although quite bright, squandered his opportunities in childish posturing. His "bad boy" image had made him a popular youth, but this fades when we grow older. Later he regretted it of course, and, unable to just admit he'd been foolish and move on, sought to reframe his life with a positive-negative spin - a sort of "I was right all along and you're just too stupid to get me" attitude. I want to put my arms around Mitch and whisper, "grow up, love, you're crowding 60". One serious point though, Mitch can't honestly say he is the only subject of his "experiments" as he has two children. There has to be some knock- on effect and some responsibility.
If, in this lifetime, one desired to attain the realization of Ultimate Reality, they could hardly choose a more advantage parentage than that of Mitch Horowitz.
Archetypes have a positive and negative side. Satan in The Garden of Eden myth is a positive force which promotes self-awareness and intelligence. However, absolute evil does exist in the human psyche. When we deny it we see it in others through projection. And if we repress and ignore it, it can act through us unconsciously. If we accept it we can contain it and express it safely.
Why is satan called the father of lies? Why is deception and hiding the truth so important to satanism?
Satan literally means "The Adversary". His deception is appearing in others.
People are easier to control and manipulate when they are misled and thus disempowered. Wrong information=Wrong perception=Wrong behavior.
Thank you for being open to discussion on subjects many people abhor. As with everything , with the passage of time , corruption of truth unfolds and when we question these things, we learn perhaps, that all things derive from one source. Personally, I think the left hand path is basically a selfish rather than an evil one and the right hand path rooted in love and group relationship will always prevail.
Exactly right. A society of Left Hand Path types would be a hellish place of greedy, narcissistic, atomized, warring people with no shared culture or spirit. Come to think of it, it would be a lot like the worst aspects of modern America.
Groups can ostracize the one, don't forget which makes for a different perspective on both left and right hand paths and their overarching archetypes... I believe there is often a Promethean sense born of that which is not selfish but tends to be the opposite. I hope you don't see this as an argument but merely a perspective brought forth. :: Though the Promethean might be disagreed with here in particular, it /is/ a perspective one might take.
whats the difference between evil and selfish?
@@tanko.reactions176 evil could be heinous acts of murder or mutilation where selfishness could be buying a blu-ray player.
Great interview!
TOPY pen and patch on black leather: gotta love it.
A middle-aged man who wants to be taken seriously should consider NOT wearing black nail polish. From the comments this appears to be the least popular of the episodes ever.
You should consider before typing childish remarks. He's a good and honest man.
Yea
I’m not interested because of his nail polish now lmao
I don’t even wanna listen lmfao
Fitting for the subject matter
The pride and vanity is showing
How easily we miss the mark
This was a great discussion. Yes, Please keep this topic going. Thank you.
Quite probably a man of wealth and taste. :)
He seems to be finessing the meaning to enhance his individuality. It is fundamentally a self centered belief system, rebellious and contrary to the traditional notion of dedication to helping others. I don’t feel he is speaking to be understood tho. An exercise in the swing of the pendulum, I think.
The traditional notion is based in bullshit.
Blessings to you Dr. Jeff love.........🤘👽🤘
(5:56-6:10) I think he might have just described Jesus: " Rebellious, anti-heroic, revolutionary, against the grain, outside." The description of "the mythic santanic" needs to focus on: against the grain of what? Rebellious against what? Outside of what? (Don't have time to write an essay)
I'm not sure why Mitch is a Satanist after viewing this. And I don't understand the belief system or what makes it attractive. I still wonder, Why Satanism? What form of it does Mitch practice? Are there rituals? Does he pray to Satan? I have seen him exult, "Hail Satan!" as a salutation. What does that mean? Is he hailing the wisdom of this deity? What are the specific attributes of Satan in his view? One wonders if this isn't a punk religion, and therefore a provocation. Is this more than spectacle? Let's get into the meat of this belief system as Mitch practices it.
I can't respect his overall message. It seems disconcerting and has an annoying nasal quality.
I know Mitch studied Manley P Hall . In all of his lectures he always ends up talking about moral codes and the problem with our society is not black or white magic but grey .
"GOD" and "Satan." Different masks on the same face. All Archon Religion - worship of the non-integrated, shadow-driven ego. All shadows on the wall; illusion. The True Divine Intelligence is within you, not outside of you. "To literalize a myth or symbol and require its worship, on the other hand, is the oldest of religious sins: idolatry." --James Hollis
I like his diplomatic approach and his extensive vocabulary to express . 👌 very cool 😎 🙏🏼🙌💐💐💐
Satanism is a very misleading and loaded term. If you don't believe in a being called "Satan", why call yourself a Satanist? Thomas LeRoy has a better term -- "Sinisterism" -- which refers to "left-handedness", as in a follower of the Left Hand Path. That's exactly what Mitch is.
Look no farther than his last name and Early Life on his Wikipedia page.
Both ethics and empathy do not simply originate in the human psyche or even just in human emotionality. Those two are POSITIVE qualities that originate in very basic cosmic laws.
Some Satanists are maybe not evil (negative) by primal inner intention but it is not evilness itself that matters here, what is important is a more or less covertly antagonistic orientation of Satanism towards ideas of ethics and empathy. The point is that this antagonistic tendency also is not only a simple emotional expression and nothing more but it is a NEGATIVE quality that also originates in very basic cosmic laws.
A good explanation is here: www.lawofone.info/
Mitch's responsibility to himself in experimentation and ethic is definitely honorable. He KNOWS himself and does because he's taken this path unto himself.
He feels no need to defend his path against ignorance but still knows exactly the words to say should the question arise. Commendable.
Great interview. Enjoyed it. Thank you.
Very interesting discussion. Mitch is a brilliant guy, notice it takes him along a meandering path to divulge an answer occasionally. His philosophy is complicated so I can understand why he's evasive. I think negative entities can help people, give them prosperity, fame, love, many desires in this life. If a person wants to conduct ceremonies with lamb's blood, wear skull and skeleton tattoos, enjoy orgies, I think it's their right too. Include me out (my fantasies satiate some acts). I can't control every dark thought that comes into my mind, can't even ignore all my carnal impulses. I am that I am, I don't deny it or accept it as "my shadow side." There is an afterlife, just want to go the place where the positive spirits dwell, the best way to do it is being a good person. I think I'm earning that right thus far.
The important thing to remember is the Devil spelled backwards is Lived.
Why?
That doesn’t make any sense
God spelled backword is dog
Devil without the "d" is evil. Add an "o" to god and youll get good. Something is going on here?🤔
And God, doG 😂
The Adversarial Force is all about inversion and mimicry. "Evil" is live spelled backwards. Entropy destroys syntropy.
Managed another couple of minutes of this young puppy...and then couldn’t sacrifice any more time. But thank you Jeffrey for highlighting the core of the problem
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@@LeeGee ikr meaning?
Hes not very young, im pretty sure hes in his mid fifties. By the way, ikr means "I know, right"
@@2768231 thank you for explaining. Body might be (late?) fifties but his soul is young, very young.
A belief system where they believe they are gods. Sounds like the perfect path for a narcissist 👍🏻
Bingo. Narcissism, egotism, atomism, hedonism, materialism -- the worst aspects of modern society, turned into a religion. It's really an anti-religion, perfectly designed to destroy culture and civilization.
@@black_eagle as well as psychopathy , sociopathy, sadism...
we would be better off being ANTICHRISTS in the nietzschean sense ♥️
@@gregoryallen0001 Nietzsche, like LaVey, is another "Satanic" thinker whose life was a total disaster. "By their fruits ye shall know them", as the saying goes.
@@black_eagle um he was not satanic he was anti christ and i think his influence 150 years after his death speaks for itself 😐
If we were in heaven and we heard Yahweh talking about creating the earth and how he was going to set up a game, a maze if you will. And, everyone who worshipped him won the game, figured out the maze. And, Yahweh said he was going to mightily reward all these game-winners who worshipped him and appeased his ego.
Yahweh said good works weren't that important to him. What was essential to win the game was to worship him! Sing his praises! If you did that...you win!
Now, Yahweh shook his head and said, anyone who does not worship me, I am going to torture and torment and burn for all eternity. Ha! That will teach them to worship other gods! I don't give a damn how good they might be if they worship Buddha or Krisna or no god at all I am gonna fry them! Yahweh gets a maniacal look in his eye like he has lost it.
What would we do? We would want to warn the earth people about his horrible god and what he had planned for the earth. Well, that is what Satan did. A true angel of light he rebelled against this wicked god. He tried to help Eve get knowledge from the forbidden tree. To this very day, he tries to help us escape this sadistic tyrannical god and his hold over mankind.
The Christian god teaches we are born sinful, carnal, evil. His Zeitgeist is one of guilt and shame. Satan the Angel of Light comes to free us from all that and to teach us we are beautiful and good.
I'd love to know more about Mr. Mishlove's personal philosophy and spiritual path. He keeps pretty quiet about it, though his choice of guests probably says something important. He seems to be quite an edge-lord behind the mild-mannered Wisconsin persona, particularly for a 70 year old man.
You can find interviews others have made with Jeffrey on youtube and learn more about his beliefs.
Look online and Jeffrey even interviews himself
Guy with screen name called black eagle calling someone edgy. Haha!
Could compare how "Marxist" is used to evoke a negative visceral response without fully understanding the cultural programming behind it.
A lot of our good vs evil programming comes from the Abrahamic religions. It seems like a lot of cultural programming plays into human need to be included in the "good" people category.
@@thursoberwick1948 I've particularly enjoyed Marxist analysis when it is applied to discussing class war, the Commons, economies based on co-ops. It's like stepping outside of a stifling room where only the virtues capitalism have been allowed to be discussed and getting some fresh air.
I'm old enough to remember Duck and Cover, which if you think about it, makes no sense. I remember what they told us are the evils of Communism are now realities in late stage capitalism. There are different types of socialism. Not all are highly state controlled and oppressive.
"to fail to ask the question" is "to fail to define one's basic terms" I see this as perhaps the most pervasive and disturbingly popular defect amongst those who, in haste, arrogantly and vehemently proclaim to know what's best for the other, all while building beliefs upon foundations of slippery shifting sands. Thank you both for kindly and patiently showing the fundamental importance of asking questions and defining terms in the relational practice of exchanging information, knowledge and wisdom. Blessings to all!!!
"Rethinking satanism" is a really good idea. Rethink calling yourself a satanist and pick something else. Like almost anything else...
Exactly. He's almost there, judging by his opening remarks.
When he talked about none violence he only talked about humans? What about the animals????
Your “satanism is not that bad, it’s okay, it’s good” episode is terribly disturbing.
Excellent discussion, thought provoking and nuanced.
The story in Genesis 3 has some similarities to the Babylonian myth of Adapa, who was called "son of Ea", the Babylonian god of intelligence. Adapa is summoned before the chief god, Anu, for committing a crime and Ea tells him not to eat or drink what Anu offers him because he will die. When Anu offers him the food and drink of life (immortality), Adapa refuses and tells Anu that Ea told him not to accept what he offered him. Anu realizes that Ea lied to Adapa and punishes him.
The story in Genesis 3 seems like a strange inversion of this myth as the serpent was a symbol of Ea, yet it is Yahweh (an epithet for El, the Canaanite equivalent of Anu) who is depicted as a liar. To me, this indicates that it isn't wise to take the Biblical stories at face value and side with the obvious hero (the serpent), because this may have been the intention of those who wrote the Old Testament, who don't really seem to have liked Yahweh very much judging by how he is portrayed.
Interesting! These stories, all stories, are geared towards their audiences so that we can relate to them. None of them are factual, but we can get a general idea. God shed blood in the garden to cover their nakedness because blood is the only currency the Spirit world understands.
"The difference between good and evil is the difference between yes and yeah." The Tao.
Great discussion! ❤️
The last line in the Lord's Prayer is : and deliver us from the deceptive or ones who lie and deceive, the word is lukavago or лукаваго in the Old Church Slavonic; when translated into latin this becomes an abstraction, such as evil, or devil or satan, but let's be very clear it is about real people who lie and cheat and deceive. Save us from, deliver us from the ones who lie, cheat, deceive, deliberately try to mislead us, no abstractions there, nothing but cold reality. I have unsubscribed.
Seems like you were in the wrong place to begin with.
I guess the risk Jeffrey has taken all his life, is upsetting people. If you're going to look into taboo subjects, you are going to get casualties. I'm sure he is quite aware of that. I agree with what you say about translations - and Mitch also talked about translations of translations etc. I can't remember who said it, but this quote comes to mind - "I may not agree with what you say, but I will defend to the end your right to say it". Take care.
Thank you.
Spot on re the "just because it's familiar, doesn't make it true" sentiment. The press does this routinely. They broadcast a lie, repeat and repeat it, on the hour every hour and it becomes a fact. People believe it because "everyone knows it's true". You can trace stories from the original report in a tabloid, which is exaggerated, spun or simply untrue, or "opinion". Other papers and news outlets report on the report, the whole thing gets reduced to a soundbite and three days later, there you have it. It's a fact. They do it again and again. It's why I never watch/listen/read any "news".
Goetia stuff is nothing but letting these “ coded pokemons” enter one’s mini quantum computer ( brain). And yes we can use them as viruses to hack other computers and edit / alter codes. But energy is always paid for such stuff. That’s the price. The reason we are advised against such stuff is because the only time we seem to be safe when entering the aether or the computer/ matrix realm is during sleeping. And we won’t get to remember what we learn and experience most of the time. But opening our computer gates outside of sleep basically is like using a computer without virus scan or firewall. We are susceptible to let codes/scripts/bugs/viruses entering our brain computer and you can guess the rest.
Interesting perspective! Makes learning fun!
MsRhuby you may like my channel then. I research such stuff for years and my focus is trying to find scientific explanations for my research results into occult.
He looks and talks like a New York corporate lawyer or accountant wearing a Halloween costume with his leather jacket, tattoos and black nail polish 🤭😄
Dude. You're lost.
I also thought the "look" was somewhat contrived and a bit jeuvenile for a man in his mid fifties. Each to their own.
NEVER.
Because you don't know what it is. Did you hear the part where Mitch laid out very clearly what his interpretation of Satanism is? ...or are you going with the Hollywood version and projecting that on him. "New Thinking Allowed"
@@aboveallthingslove6349 Satan is an egregore loaded with "bad mojo". You can redefine it as unicorns and kittens, but that doesn't change the deeper nature of the egregore, or the danger of playing around with it.
@@aboveallthingslove6349 What a patronizing response.
From the start this chap is excusing himself as a contrarian who uses terms in a non-conventional way -- which indicates either that he purposefully wishes to be misunderstood. He rejects the usage of language which communicates to most people, he claims 'historical integrity' but revises the Hebrew and English language from tradition to meet his own egocentric needs.
No good/evil but empathy/spite? I don't think 'spite' is a good word for the systemic sexual abuse of prepubescent children, do you? 'Utter badness', 'ultimate badness' perhaps -- but isn't that the usual meaning of 'evil'?
To say that Judaism did not or does not ascribe good guy/bad guy ... it's just plain wrong. Whilst Judaism attempts to deal with humans as the flawed creatures we are, it certainly remembers bad bad people of the past (Purim coming up). But then the guest goes on to talk about spirits and demons, so maybe he didn't mean 'guy.'
Seems childish and narcissistic. He doesn't even provide citation or reference for his central points but refers to 'some scholars.' 'Experts say' is so 20th century pulp media and corporate TV.
Jeffrey: many thanks for asking the questions, and kudos to the guest for having the courage to be open to them.
Denial of HaShem is merely a display of ignorance, which I do not mean pejoratively. As I have heard Buddha said, Gd may not be relevant to you. But academically, it is frequently stated that HaShem is beyond good and evil (to coin a phrase), beyond everything.
Very well put. Thank you.
"No good/evil but empathy/spite? I don't think 'spite' is a good word for the systemic sexual abuse of prepubescent children, do you?"
Great point. Nails b.s. semantics to the wall.
Yeah, if the Jewish god is so transcendent and ubiquitous why the heck does he want circumcision then??? That's totally - excuse the phrasing here - nuts. It makes literally no sense and once said, once can almost hear his his fake beard falling off. Let alone the horrors inflicted on the Gaza strip.
You consider those acts abhorrent. I couldn't fucking care less.
@@jadapinkett1656 Here is a serious (and funny) discussion on the video content, but the first hater to comment gets a special like from Jeffrey? Uncool.
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paradise is where people don,t lie ,cheat or steal the machine elves told me....
Ah!!! I love the two of you!!!
I could have done this interview, ditto , fascinating 🙏🏽❤️🏴
Satanism🙄Childish is what it is. Petty and childish. And when in a grown ups body, petty childish behaviour becomes ridiculous...young souls being what they are. Bless em😚
Don't let Mr. Horowitz fool you -- he is no Philosopher or Intellectual. He reminds me of those troglodytes who takes a crap on a canvas and call themselves "artists". Lots of artists out there. Aspiring artists, failed artists.... scam artists....
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Spirituality is the recognition of the immortality of soul and soul's divine origin. Satan does not have the power to create souls or liberate them. Satan's job is to mislead souls and keep them from returning to their true home.
Which is?
@@jadapinkett1656 The true home is the higher state that all mystical religion talks about. It is where the soul came from before it entered the physical realm.
A most excellent experience. Thank you.
I have some friends in the Satanic Temple.....very nice people. I've even met Lucien Greaves in Salem and he's a really great guy and he doesn't embrace that Ann Rand crap like we seen with Anton Levey. The only group I don't like is the Dragon Rouge of Sweden which has a Polish branch, and its rumored a branch in the UK. But I don't like them because of the way they wear ski masks and wave firearms around. I mean if you're a great occultist...why wave guns around? I've also read in some of the member's books that you don't have to bother banishing what you've summoned....which is a horrible was to treat your muggle neighbors. Actually that is the best way to turn your muggle neighbors into blood thirsty fanatics. And that's something none of us need at this very dangerous time.
Speaking of conspiracy, it is an intriguing theory that David Berkowitz, Charles Manson, Sirhan Sirhan, might each or all be the product of MK Ultra. Jonestown too.
What in the world is this guy talking about?!
What are those people called that go out of their way to use SAT words to make a simple point?
What a pretentious d b.
As an open mind who studies perspective with reason my favorite bits discussed Satanic panic and ritual abuse, and even the libel was touched on what? You're really breaking the spell. And true to the rebel there seemed to be a couple [SHHHHHH] points throughout. Not a bad video. Thanks for sharing.
It's only a liable until you personally speak to the victims. Be careful placing your faith in those who openly side with evil.
@@LeeGee unless its an open sabotage agreement which I've spoken to others on, experienced, and researched. Get enough people together to say a thing and a witch hunt can look an awful lot like witnesses at a trial.
@@LeeGee you didn't even watch this video if your response is about openly siding with evil after my comment about satanic panic and ritual abuse. Blood libel and the prior are ritualistic attacks or otherwise studied in criminological findings which I find fascinating 🤔 satanic panic is what occurred as a form of light witch burning against paganism and satanic ritual abuse was investigated by the FBI extensively though some information available is coincidentally syncing with the satanic panic and could be propaganda
I went to Heaven only to realize that the Golden Rule and Christian Values become Forbidden Sins while remembering my nieghbors burning in Gods Cosmic Nazi Camp.
So then Heaven becomes a Selfish Egocentric and Satanic Dystopia where Empathy, Compassion, Mercy, Love, Forgivness, Depression are Forbidden Sins.
Is that how you see it? Really? Very strange!
@@msrhuby Im aware of standard evangelical theology. Either dehumanize and demonize your nieghbors being tortured in Hell, convince yourself that they want to be tortured forever, or God will erase the memories of your loved ones in hell so you can enjoy the Bliss. All the answers are inadequate and ultimately Selfish and Wrong relative to common Christian Ethics and the Golden Rule.
@@pcb8059 What if there is no hell in the sense of burning in torment forever? What if the "burning in torment" was instead a state of mind, regret, because of a missed opportunity of everlasting life? What if hell just meant having to start all over again at the bottom of the food chain only to be "reincarnated" over and over again each time, hopefully, to a higher state of consciousness until eventually, hopefully, we become fully human able to recognize our Creator?
@@msrhuby thats cool with me. I only criticize my own American culture of popular evangelical protestant theology.
@@pcb8059 As they say, religion is for those who are afraid to go to hell, Spirituality is for those who have been there. The only doctrine I hold to is that Jesus died in my place, rose from the dead to everlasting life so that I can too. The devil is in the details. I criticize no one because each of us is accountable to God alone. All religions have a piece of the puzzle. Who am I to go against the wind....I know what I know ~ Paul Simon
This conversation is so East Village!!! Could you please ask Mr. Horowitz if he remembers bookstores such as Magical Childe and Weiser's???
Empathy and spite? So where is hate? Because hate is quite real. I think that you can dodge the real issues of good and evil all day long with as much intellectual psycho babble as you want, but to deny evil is insulting and leaves me to wonder if you are being dishonest with yourself or the public. I have come to believe that hubris is the one character flaw that separates man from God above all others. And man, you are FULL of it. You own only two shirts? Sounds like being a Satanist is not panning out for u. Really - who are u kidding here? Arrogance and denial are a stomach churning combination.
The Qlippothic (💔 broken vessels) in the kabbalah should be balanced with the Tiqqun (repairs/mending) .
They should be repaired, not balanced; ha yetzer ha tov must conquor ha yetzer ha ra.
this guy is an advertisement for pomposity 😂
It's called: a flair for marketing.
Gotta have it.
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Do what ever u want.. when ever u feel like it.. no sense of time..
Remember that thr is a food chain however.. ie.. dont go about yr freedom stupidly
Sure they were ‘illumined’ ... right before everything went South... way South. This guy. 🤦
You can always choose to not remark rudely about a conversation between two kind people.
No need to drag the gracious Jeffrey Mishlove into my comment. I was referring to his pretentious guest.
@@aboveallthingslove6349 Didn't seem rude to me, nor did it seem to refer to the host. FWIW
Yeah, but who actually lied? God or the Devil?
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God seems to have more characteristics of Satan than Satan does. Satan wanted us to have knowledge and God wants us to remain ignorant. God seems like a big fat bully to me...and no, I'm not a Satanist, just my interpretation of the bible.
I agree.
What if "GOD" is the Satanic Force in disguise? What if the True Divine Intelligence were something else entirely?
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things." --Isaiah 45:7
Is Jeff blind?
So many aggressive people here. Mitch is a brilliant man who articulates very clearly what his ethics are and his definition of goodness in regard to dealing with others. @Ozzy Bin Oswald that is an unfair comment and it makes me wonder if you even listened to the conversation past the one-minute mark. Demonizing Mitch with your "toothbrush mustache" remark shows impulsive childlike behavior and low emotional intelligence. You should take it back.
To be clear, toothbrush mustach is a Hitler reference and Mitch was born a into an orthodox Jewish family.
No.
BTW, if u knew anything about your own history, the Hebrews were not monotheistic , they were polytheistic which is the very reason God accused them of whoring and divorced them from the position of the “chosen”.
So the story goes...
He didn't deny that; he didn't attempt to address all of Hebrew history. HaShem often blasted the people for not following the law -- it is that for which they were chosen.
Hey as long as you're not doing any harm to anyone, that's cool with me!
Even Catholics have done bad shit to people.
Harm.. meaning?
LOL
Disgusting.
Adam and Eave were given a body, having already been Gods children in heaven. When the devil tempted Eave, it was Eaves desire to be like God and have children. God being Dad kicked his children out of the garden (house), and everyone born was actually Gods children. God gave Adam a way everyone could redeem themselves, and told Cain and Abel how to do it, but Cain didn't make the right offering, and Abel was given conformation from God, he did it right, and the rebel in the family killed him, took a sister and left. Because the redemption is by family, a blessing given by God, it only passes from person to person directly and only survived up to Noah. Because that blessing is passed like that, and God knew that it would be destroyed if he didn't do anything, and because of everyone who was related to Cain would not be redeemed, God had little choice but to destroy them or non would be redeemed. When we are redeemed it is by family, because our survival depends on it, even after death. After that, Noah would have stayed alive by the power of God, God fully knowing the family rebels would destroy that blessing again, and so the torch is passed to protect that blessing. It was the same with Egypt, when the torch was passed to Mosses, and God didn't have any choice in the matter but to destroy them, because when the torch is passed the one who held it retires. This then again died out, because of the family rebels, and that's when Jesus came into the picture to restore it, but then was cut off by the family rebels. Either your like that and understand that, or you not.
Great interview!