thank you! exactly what I needed to make mine.....wind was blowing too much and cut out some of your important info but I figured it out from your demonstration.
That was my problem too - of all his discussion, the wind-battered part was the critical part. Wish old BrotherB would add a comment here to repeat what he said on the inaudible part of the tape where he explained which wire went to which terminal.
since my knowledge in this fid is terrible, where can I get both the female 230v/50amp and the 120-240v/30 amp? can this be a HD or Lowes run? thanks in advance! I appreciate the video!
Thank you for the video!!! But what happens to the prong that does not have a wire inserted? Cause only 3 wires where used, and one was left empty.. will this be a problem?
Even though the welder is rated at 50 amps nec allows undersized breakers and wire because the duty cycle of the welder is probably about 30% and almost never reaches 50 amps. check it if you have questions I think it is NEC 600. Its confusing but 30 amps and #10 wire is allowed. Additionally the generator will not produce 50 amps unless tremendously overloaded.and externally revved up. Dangerous to the generator.
As best I can tell, he plugged green into ground (obvious), then the black and white into terminals "x" and "y" on the 4-prong plug. You can buy an identical plug at Home Depot, and the terminals are clearly labeled: G, X, Y, and W. What confused me was the fact that the cord from my 220V saw had Green, Black, and White wires only. From various videos I concluded that W on the four prong plug was neutral, BUT, the Black AND White wires on saw want power to both.
You forgot one important step That was to install the wire clamp on the bottom of the female plug end. Without the wire clamp installed in the knockout the terminals can come loose if the plug is tugged along. So take your conversion plug to Home Depot and get a proper type of wire clamp for where the cord enters the female end. This will make sure nothing comes loose if the plug is tugged along by accident
He’s connecting a Nema 15-30 male into a Nema 6-50 female. There’s wiring diagrams online to show how to connect the wires. The guy in video mixed up the x and y terminals on both plugs. X and y terminals on both plugs need to match each other. Rotate plug so ground (G) terminal is on top for reference of where X and Y terminals are.
Hi and thank you for all the time and effort you put into making these videos. Can you please Help? I am a British Ex Pat, living in South Korea. My Korean is terrible, so finding any kind of help, let alone the kind of I am looking for, is a bit of a nightmare! ... LoL! I went online land bought a powerful, portable 240 Volt American Generator., DuroMax. XP11500EH. All documentation stated that this Generator produces both 120 Volts and 240 Volts. Unbeknown to me, this is not exactly true! It produces two legs of 120Volts! Almost all my tools are 240Volts and have the British Wiring set up, Earth, 240Volts Live & Neutral, like most of the world! I need to know what can be done to get my tools to work from this generator. I cant use an inverter, because I'd loose the Amps. How can I wire the Plug from this 4 wired American setup to run a 3 pronged 240 Volt British Tool? Live, Earth and Neutral! WHAT CAN I DO? ............. 1.) It occurred to me that I might put the two hot legs together, to form one live out put, but I have some concerns about that. 2.) The other thing might be to dial up the voltage, on, or replace the A.V.R. with a 240 Volt A.V.R. of the same or similar Amperage value. I don't believe that there will be any need then to change any of the wiring on the Generator, as the (1 of 2) 120Volt Hot legs just becomes redundant, (as I would only use one leg, left or right.) Effectively, every Live output will become 240 Volt! ........ What do you think? .......... Do you think this will work? I am open to any other suggestions you have. Thank you for you time. You can email me at: surfacesupplieddiver@yahoo.com Kind Regards! S. Ashcroft
So, a few things here. When you say 'buzz box' do you mean something like a Lincoln 225 stick welder? Also heard it called a tombstone. Made it to the end, so answered my own question. It's rated input would be 50AMP. The wire is definitely not 4 gauge. It's 10ga and it's stranded, so it's rated at 30AMP max. It's a SO cord which is good (Meaning S = Severe Service Cord, O = Oil Resistant Jacket), but undersized. At 7:55 , jamming the stray stranded wires like you did and not having them homogeneously wrapped and tightened under the connector is an unsafe move. In the 50A female outlet, letting the cord hang in there without a connector (that was supplied with the unit) is an unsafe move. The wire can rub against the sharp steel of the knock out over time and cause a short. Someone could trip on the wire and pull it straight from the connections inside, etc, etc. So you are running a 50 AMP welder off a 30 AMP generator and 30 AMP feed wire. Are you running into problems with the generator's internal breaker tripping? You would really benefit from a 12KW generator that would have a 50 AMP output to run this welder. Alternatively, depending on what you are welding, a welder that didn't require such a power load that could run off the 30 AMP. This isn't a proper setup, it's a ticking time bomb. As crazy as it sounds, you were 'safer' just jamming wires into the generator outlet. I am all for doing things on your own, but to others watching, I would recommend that you not follow the 'instructions' in this video.
well if he only plans on running half the welders output while being portable his generator and cable will work fine, not to mention the cable is barely a foot long it shouldnt require 4guage for 30 amps input as far as someone tripping and pulling the wire out/shorting... maybe its better to just turn the generator off and never use it cause someone COULD trip and fall with cutlery in their hands and jam a fork and knife into the outlets accidentally (moral = you cant protect from every possibility just use some caution/common sense)
Doing the same exact thing off a predator 8750 watt at it's peak and I think the running watts are 7000. I'm only trying to pull out 125 amps to run 7018 1/8 rods on a pipe fence using 2 7/8 drill pipe about a 1/4 inch thick. And insure hope this works. I don't need to crank my welder all the way up either so this should do the job.
Does it matter which wire goes into X or Y, as long as it’s not ground? Amateur video with the wind noise. We can’t hear you at the most important time.
thank you! exactly what I needed to make mine.....wind was blowing too much and cut out some of your important info but I figured it out from your demonstration.
That was my problem too - of all his discussion, the wind-battered part was the critical part. Wish old BrotherB would add a comment here to repeat what he said on the inaudible part of the tape where he explained which wire went to which terminal.
@@fgriffintx two hot one ground. hots are on either side of the green terminal. they combine to make 240v
since my knowledge in this fid is terrible, where can I get both the female 230v/50amp and the 120-240v/30 amp? can this be a HD or Lowes run? thanks in advance! I appreciate the video!
Thank you for the video!!! But what happens to the prong that does not have a wire inserted? Cause only 3 wires where used, and one was left empty.. will this be a problem?
This was wonderful! Listening and watching carefully does wonders when learning. 😉
What size generator do I need to get at least 150 amps off my welder??
150 amps x ~40 volts = 6000watts + 33% for welder inefficiency = 8000watts running, would be minimum and would probably stutter at that
I want my time back. I know how to put the plug together but not sure what wires are hot and ground. Why make a video and not show them??????😣
Phil Lowman Home Depot sells those plugs and cords already assembled they’re expensive but you’re not taking a chance
just what I was looking for. perfect....
Even though the welder is rated at 50 amps nec allows undersized breakers and wire because the duty cycle of the welder is probably about 30% and almost never reaches 50 amps. check it if you have questions I think it is NEC 600. Its confusing but 30 amps and #10 wire is allowed. Additionally the generator will not produce 50 amps unless tremendously overloaded.and externally revved up. Dangerous to the generator.
Couldn't hear or see what he did or why. I need this. Not helpful
As best I can tell, he plugged green into ground (obvious), then the black and white into terminals "x" and "y" on the 4-prong plug. You can buy an identical plug at Home Depot, and the terminals are clearly labeled: G, X, Y, and W. What confused me was the fact that the cord from my 220V saw had Green, Black, and White wires only. From various videos I concluded that W on the four prong plug was neutral, BUT, the Black AND White wires on saw want power to both.
My thoughts exactly.
what was the wire gauge did you use ???????
So can you tell me is the ground the top post on the plug and the left and right plug are 110 and the bottom post is neutral right
@Christian There is no neutral, you have two hot legs and a ground...
That adapter is 250v And your generation only has 240 v? How does that work ??? Any help
you need to place a wire stabilizer connecter on the box,around the wire,to much movement will cut wire,at this point
Ok here. Green to green, black to x, white to y. Open w. You are welcome.
Black to x, but on my plug, that seems to be y 🤷♂️
Thanks !
X and y are interchangeable
Both are 120 hot, no polarity
So you did not use the neutral on generator outlet plug for 220? I could not hear from the wind noise
The welder 6-50r does not have a neutral, so no reason to connect it in the L14-10p.
Good shit.
So just leave out the nuetral on four prong ?
You forgot one important step That was to install the wire clamp on the bottom of the female plug end. Without the wire clamp installed in the knockout the terminals can come loose if the plug is tugged along. So take your conversion plug to Home Depot and get a proper type of wire clamp for where the cord enters the female end. This will make sure nothing comes loose if the plug is tugged along by accident
+Joseph Leogrande Yes, I know. I got lazy and now I have been chastised by my viewers repeatedly for it ever since.
Can you make a plug to plug into your shop for a gas powered generator that the engine is blown
It would have been quieter in a wind tunnel. It says 10AWG on your cord.
Could you just remove the current plug and replace it with that one instead of having the box in between if you were only running it off the welder?
That is what i did and I cant get it to work to save my life...
No.
He’s connecting a Nema 15-30 male into a Nema 6-50 female. There’s wiring diagrams online to show how to connect the wires. The guy in video mixed up the x and y terminals on both plugs. X and y terminals on both plugs need to match each other. Rotate plug so ground (G) terminal is on top for reference of where X and Y terminals are.
If you add black tape to the white wire, then it gets hard to tell the difference between the two hot wires.
Got a used 50' 10/3 cord at a garage sale for $6. Spent $40 on new end plugs.
Not an expert but I am pretty sure you hooked your ground to the earth ground, I believe you should have hooked that to the neutral.
The 6-50r is different that a dryer plug. The 6-50 does not have a neutral, but is an earth ground.
90 amps no way you are leading us to a shocking end!
Hi and thank you for all the time and effort you put into making these videos.
Can you please Help?
I am a British Ex Pat, living in South Korea. My Korean
is terrible, so finding any kind of help, let alone
the kind of I am looking for, is a bit of a nightmare! ... LoL!
I went online land bought a powerful, portable 240 Volt
American Generator., DuroMax. XP11500EH.
All documentation stated that this Generator produces
both 120 Volts and 240 Volts.
Unbeknown to me, this is not exactly true!
It produces two legs of 120Volts!
Almost all my tools are 240Volts and have the British
Wiring set up, Earth, 240Volts Live & Neutral, like most
of the world!
I need to know what can be done to get my tools to work
from this generator.
I cant use an inverter, because I'd loose the Amps.
How can I wire the Plug from this 4 wired American setup to run a
3 pronged 240 Volt British Tool? Live, Earth and Neutral!
WHAT CAN I DO? .............
1.) It occurred to me that I might put the two hot
legs together, to form one live out put, but I have some concerns about that.
2.) The other thing might be to dial up the voltage,
on, or replace the A.V.R. with a 240 Volt A.V.R.
of the same or similar Amperage value. I don't believe that there will be any
need then to change any of the wiring on
the Generator, as the (1 of 2) 120Volt Hot
legs just becomes redundant, (as I would only
use one leg, left or right.) Effectively, every Live output
will become 240 Volt! ........
What do you think? .......... Do you think this will work?
I am open to any other suggestions you have.
Thank you for you time.
You can email me at:
surfacesupplieddiver@yahoo.com
Kind Regards!
S. Ashcroft
So, a few things here. When you say 'buzz box' do you mean something like a Lincoln 225 stick welder? Also heard it called a tombstone. Made it to the end, so answered my own question. It's rated input would be 50AMP.
The wire is definitely not 4 gauge. It's 10ga and it's stranded, so it's rated at 30AMP max. It's a SO cord which is good (Meaning S = Severe Service Cord, O = Oil Resistant Jacket), but undersized.
At 7:55 , jamming the stray stranded wires like you did and not having them homogeneously wrapped and tightened under the connector is an unsafe move.
In the 50A female outlet, letting the cord hang in there without a connector (that was supplied with the unit) is an unsafe move. The wire can rub against the sharp steel of the knock out over time and cause a short. Someone could trip on the wire and pull it straight from the connections inside, etc, etc.
So you are running a 50 AMP welder off a 30 AMP generator and 30 AMP feed wire. Are you running into problems with the generator's internal breaker tripping? You would really benefit from a 12KW generator that would have a 50 AMP output to run this welder. Alternatively, depending on what you are welding, a welder that didn't require such a power load that could run off the 30 AMP.
This isn't a proper setup, it's a ticking time bomb. As crazy as it sounds, you were 'safer' just jamming wires into the generator outlet.
I am all for doing things on your own, but to others watching, I would recommend that you not follow the 'instructions' in this video.
well if he only plans on running half the welders output while being portable his generator and cable will work fine, not to mention the cable is barely a foot long it shouldnt require 4guage for 30 amps input
as far as someone tripping and pulling the wire out/shorting... maybe its better to just turn the generator off and never use it cause someone COULD trip and fall with cutlery in their hands and jam a fork and knife into the outlets accidentally (moral = you cant protect from every possibility just use some caution/common sense)
buzzbox is a term for a welder that is AC only.....they often make a buzzing sound when in use.
Doing the same exact thing off a predator 8750 watt at it's peak and I think the running watts are 7000. I'm only trying to pull out 125 amps to run 7018 1/8 rods on a pipe fence using 2 7/8 drill pipe about a 1/4 inch thick. And insure hope this works. I don't need to crank my welder all the way up either so this should do the job.
Why didn't you just put the plug on the welder cord and plug it right into the generator?
excellent point that's what I'm going to do
Great idea
Genius
So you can also use it in a garage and use a standard 220 outlet and not a generator outlet
So you don't have to swap plugs each time you have a different power source.
He won't always run it from the generator.
Why not just hook your 4 prong plug right on the end of your welder cable? why convert at all?
Because you then have a 4 prong plug that wont fit into the 3 slot plug that is standard for that welder. This way you are set to use either one.
Don't need no stinkin strain clamps!
🤭 you awesome 👍
Not sure what you mean by "average jobs."
Can you turn OFF the 747 jet behind you next time!
This doesn't look right, you should have two hot wires a ground and a neutral. You would only be getting 120v from this set-up.
Didn’t explain crap just had it hooked up . Poor video.
Please never make another video.
Can't hear shit due to wind
Does it matter which wire goes into X or Y, as long as it’s not ground? Amateur video with the wind noise. We can’t hear you at the most important time.
Lol poking wire
Dumb az. I needed to see how you wired the 3 pole box
If you are going to put a video out on a subject be better prepared. What a waste of your time and mine.
USELESS VIDEO!! WHAT WIRES GO WHERE?? BLACK, GREEN, RED,WHITE... THEY GO WHERE ON THE PLUG.?? ARG!
10:22 of my life I will never get back. Know you talk low, live in a windy area, and cant afford a proper knife. DON'T make a welding video.