Offering eye catching bold pop-art color options IS original thinking and design! There's only so much originality you can put into a main stream affordable watch and color is one of the factors which a manufacturer can play with. Good job San Martin.
I see a lot of people bashing San Martin for the GMT design, because it is heavily inspired by the GS SBGE range. And I do agree....But I don't see the same criticism to non-chinese brands that do the same. Smiths (Everest), Steinhart, Islander, Traska (Summiteer), Nivada (Super antarctic), Lorier (Falcon)....they all seem veeeery similar to the Rolex Explorer, don't they? The list goes on...and it happens to most iconic watches
This is exactly the reason why I unfollowed several reviewers who just don't have any argument against San Martin other than "oooh, aaah, I don't feel like it, this is just a cheap clone, this watch is not talking to me you know? etc. etc.", nothing a rational mind would be able to logically conclude in terms of quality or quantity. While at the same time, they are drooling over all the "swiss made" homages. And you try to ask for a reason? "oooh, aaah but that watch talks to me, I feel so much joy wearing it, it's emotional connection you know? But not this one." LMAO, like everyone else is stupid enough to not see through them.
None of these brands except Steinhart and Islander have their portfolios built entirely of clomages of other watches. And if they do a homage, it is a well-made watch with a unique twist or has a cool story about it. Smiths was on the 1st Everest summit, Super Antarctic was issued for Operation Deep Freeze, Lorier and Traska look similar but have enough design cues woven into a familiar design to be instantly recognized as a Lorier and a Traska. None of these apply to San Martin, who only boasts great finishing and not overly compromised designs despite basing their designs on the ubiquitous NH3x. They don't have any unique style, which would cause their homage to be instantly recognized as a San Martin.
@@vatazhka I agree with you. What I'm saying is that the San Martin GMT also seems to have its unique twists and it's not a blatant clomage of the grand seiko as people are saying in the coments here. But because it's a san martin, the twists are deemed unvalid. I agree that they are basically a clomage brand. But these 2 watches are not, apparently...including the GMT
@vatazhka All watch brands in existence "homage" other watches- either their own or other brands. That's a fact. We are witnessing change atm. If you want accuracy you loom at your phone- period. Now it is not about the movement, it's about the finishing g and how it looks. Only those susceptible to marketing influence mention "heritage" etc. That is an intangible commodity based on "belief"-in other words away to s reward more money out of you. San Martin have overtaken Seiko 100%. Next up is mid-tierbrands.
@@alfredthegreat9543 That's your take. I think that yet another cloned design based around NH3x does not have earth shattering potential and thus will look elsewhere. San Martin is not a game changer for me at this point in time, but I must admit that they are making progress and I will keep my eye on their shenanigans.
Blue and orange clash? Sorry, but no they don't. At all. Those colors look great together, they are bright and unique. And they also went to the trouble of matching the color on the date window. Nice touch.
Florida Gators colors. Trust me, half of Florida will order the orange and blue. I'm a Tennessee alum and every watch head I know here has a Proxima 1713 just because of the orange and white color scheme. We take our sports very seriously here in the SEC lol. I'll be wearing my px1713 while my beloved Tennessee destroys Texas A and M for the NCAA baseball crown, GO VOLS!
There are a number of other San Martin watches for which I don't like the color choices, but this blue and orange one I think is great for a fun summer watch. Bought one.
It looks to me more like a copy of the Halios Seaforth. Down to the indices and hands. Not sure how I feel about the added ring on the dial (light blue in this model), but that is at least one feature that differentiates it from the Seaforth and Combat Sub.
@@J5pro Also true yes, because the Halios has similar beveled edges that the Combat Sub doesn't have. Anyway, of all those three I like the Glycine combat most because of how extremely thin it is for a 200m diver and how low and flat it sits on the wrist as a result. This San Martin is a nicely finished watch though, better finished than the Glycine and at least as good as the Halios. Good thing I'm not looking for more divers right now, or I might be tempted...
@@gerard8174 I'm pretty tempted already... I've been lusting over the Seaforth IV for a while now (been on the waitlist since 2021). I think this San Martin would be an awesome first diver, at less than 1/4 of the price of the Halios. But I'm inclined to hold to see if San Martin expands to offer different colors.
the GMT is definitely a copy of the evolution 9 Grand Seiko. I own both of them, though the reverse colourway of the 3 hander on the milanese mesh bracelet. Great watches but the GMT is in another league. It competes with watches 5 times the price in terms of finishing. The 3 hander has very simple case finishing by design but still very impressive.
It's a huge oversight to not have half-links on bracelets with large links, unless the clasp has a huge range like the glidelock. But the glidelock in general is not a very good clasp. I'd much rather have a ratchet system with half-links than glidelock.
@@thegorn T-Fit is still the best clasp I’ve experienced followed by the SM and Omega clasps. But if Proxima and Erebus can have half links and are allegedly coming from the same factory, why can’t SM?
I love the GMT, dial looks like night sky full of stars. But the orange dial with blue is so beautiful 😍 Like a young summer love 💕 A white date on it would look like an incomplete/lazy design.
I thought the same thing. I would absolutely wear it. My only complaint or change I'd make is, I'd use black hands to stand out more against the orange dial, and shorten the counter balance on the second hand. 8:33 It's almost as long as the hour hand. LOL 🤣
Both are on the way to me now although the diver will be the orange bezel on orange strap. They will be my 1st SMs and looking forward to seeing the claimed quality.
SM is killing it right now. The GMT is I think pretty close to a Grand Seiko, but Jody thinks it’s an original so what’s good for Jody is good for me. Thanks for the great reviews!
Supply of a half link would solve the GMT watch strap sizing. TBH the watch would have benefited from a sleeker smaller-link size bracelet, like an H link. It would have been stunning then.
I just ordered the light blue dial with the orange bezel but purchased the mesh bracelet instead of the orange rubber strap for $218 😎 it will support my Casio Duro as a daily beater since I'm on the pool deck coaching every day😁
Aye, I'm glad they're offering some interesting dials recently that you don't often see from the brands themselves. The Grand Seiko Evolution 9 with female end links is basically what this new GMT is. But I'm a sucker for those dune/stone dials.
The dive watch is reminiscent of the Halios Seaforth and I'm really into it. I would instantly pick one up if they had less wacky colors on offer. Do any folks here know of other dive watches that look nearly identical to this SN0118G or the Seaforth?
It’s been nice watching San Martin do what Phoibos did- prove their ability to sell quality homages, then pivot into selling original designs with the same quality. I’m just hoping they move on from that one GMT they keep milking colorways out of, but rooting for them.
Great review. All StMartin reviews I see laud the fantastic quality. I'm accept them as honest reviews but I know if I was supplying a watch I would at the very least pull a dozen off the production line and send the best, whether it was gifted or paid for by a known YT reviewer. Not really a knock on StMartin and expect the Swiss are not above similar selections. In fact if I worked for a Seiko retailer and wanted a watch I would pick the most accurate and best aligned from stock available
I would be a bit cautious about the stated WR on all chinese watches. And SM has patchy customer service from customer reports. So yes they offer great value for money but there is the chance of picking up a bad one and maybe a bit of a pain to get it sorted.
Interesting video. Personally I thought the fun colourway of the divewatch worked with the GMT looking a bit blingy. The GMT is clearly GS inspired, although far from a clone and dive watches are never going to look completely original. Not being a bracelet fan I can't really comment on the bracelet.
I'm not the first to say this here, but yeah, this is not an original line. I thought it was when I got exactly this aventurine SN0129. But it's clearly copying Grand Seiko. I was utterly blown away when it arrived in my mail. Love at first sight, for real! Then someone in the JOMW comments mentioned it being a Grand Seiko copy. Momentary sadness. Then back to the love affair. It is one of my favorite watches that I own. Top 5% of the collection for sure. Absolutely gorgeous, and superb fit on my 7" wrist.
The GMT is pushing it as an original design, very Grand Seiko like. Nice but both Rimalti and Cronos versions have nicer hands. Not so likely to send out a freebie though.
I will be buying more Aliexpress specials at some point but there is no way I am paying the ridiculous San Martin prices for Seiko NH movement watches. Addiesdive or Watchdive are presently the way to go imho.
Is this really real 316 steel and sapphire crystal? Or minor material when it comes to quality? Why are these watches so affordable! They look gorgeous !
I didn't have time to run my full lume tests as I was trying to get the video posted before the sale was over. But eyeballing it I'd say it's good, but not amazing. Definitely above average though.
Copies no, but the aventurine does clearly seem to be a GS homage. There is enough difference not to call it a copy, but truly original is possibly a bit of stretch.
Watch collectors complain about the lack of originality. Normal watch nerds that do not have big budgets appreciate what San Martin does. In my view they are the best thing going on Aliexpress. I am sold on them.
We must absolutely be getting hosed by basically everybody Seiko and above.......Between Casio, SM, and Islander, I could have a nice hobby till I die. I used to poo poo Ali xpress until I bought a basically an explorer copy with Sapphire, NH mvmt, 100 meter, solid end links, nice bracelet, aligned perfectly, screw down, for $30.....One in green and one in cream dial. If San Martin made sort of an Alpinist with green face, gold arms, 4pm crown, and a world traveler feature, it would be the perfect watch for me.
So many people on here trying to say that this is not a copy of the grand Seiko just goes to show you the difference between people who only deal in cheap watches and people who actually own and have experience with legitimate watches. People on here defending copies or just doing it because they don't want to be criticized for wearing copies. Anyone who looks at this in the grand Seiko and says it isn't a copy is delusional
You don't have to be a watch snob to admit that these are "remixes" of truly original designs. The fact that the only response you will get is whataboutism ("and what about Swiss/Japanese brands copying designs"), is telling for a person brought up during Cold War (To be honest, Soviet whataboutism was a "homage" of tu quoque fallacy itself.).
When a watch doesn't have color match date: "i wish they choose color match date wheel" When a watch have a color match date: "i wish they chose the white date wheel"
Garbage. Nothing is left when they don't copy. And please don't say they compete with 2k watches, it's an insult to your reader's intelligence. I saw SM watches and they are far away for many sub 1k micro brands
Do a little research. Only one is an original design..the other one is a more of a clomage of a grand seiko. Also the diver is awesome, so calling it 3 stars only, is just silly. You're better than this.
Look closely. The indices are different, the hands are different, the crown is different, and the bracelet is different. Now show me where the Grand Seiko has an adventurine dial? These are all aspects that make it a homage and not a "clomage". You are the one who needs to do a little research. C'mon, you're better than this.
With this kind of accusation you need hard evidence. I bet that Western brands used the same factories as San Martin does, this aptness in technology of watch finishing is not something which appeared by itself in a labor camp.
I know there are some unethical practises in certain countries more than others and I get that but where is your evidence for this particular brand? If your going to act like the "good person" and say things like this, do it properly, and provide something within the realm of objectivity. Otherwise your no better than those that are unethical. Going around making accusations like this aggressively only creates more division and animosity and ultimately further exacerbates the issues. If your so passionate about child Labor issues then go do something real about it to make a difference.
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I really hope San Martin continues to do more of their own designs.
Their own designs are legit great! This GMT is beautiful.
Offering eye catching bold pop-art color options IS original thinking and design! There's only so much originality you can put into a main stream affordable watch and color is one of the factors which a manufacturer can play with. Good job San Martin.
I see a lot of people bashing San Martin for the GMT design, because it is heavily inspired by the GS SBGE range. And I do agree....But I don't see the same criticism to non-chinese brands that do the same. Smiths (Everest), Steinhart, Islander, Traska (Summiteer), Nivada (Super antarctic), Lorier (Falcon)....they all seem veeeery similar to the Rolex Explorer, don't they? The list goes on...and it happens to most iconic watches
This is exactly the reason why I unfollowed several reviewers who just don't have any argument against San Martin other than "oooh, aaah, I don't feel like it, this is just a cheap clone, this watch is not talking to me you know? etc. etc.", nothing a rational mind would be able to logically conclude in terms of quality or quantity. While at the same time, they are drooling over all the "swiss made" homages. And you try to ask for a reason? "oooh, aaah but that watch talks to me, I feel so much joy wearing it, it's emotional connection you know? But not this one." LMAO, like everyone else is stupid enough to not see through them.
None of these brands except Steinhart and Islander have their portfolios built entirely of clomages of other watches. And if they do a homage, it is a well-made watch with a unique twist or has a cool story about it. Smiths was on the 1st Everest summit, Super Antarctic was issued for Operation Deep Freeze, Lorier and Traska look similar but have enough design cues woven into a familiar design to be instantly recognized as a Lorier and a Traska. None of these apply to San Martin, who only boasts great finishing and not overly compromised designs despite basing their designs on the ubiquitous NH3x. They don't have any unique style, which would cause their homage to be instantly recognized as a San Martin.
@@vatazhka I agree with you. What I'm saying is that the San Martin GMT also seems to have its unique twists and it's not a blatant clomage of the grand seiko as people are saying in the coments here. But because it's a san martin, the twists are deemed unvalid. I agree that they are basically a clomage brand. But these 2 watches are not, apparently...including the GMT
@vatazhka All watch brands in existence "homage" other watches- either their own or other brands. That's a fact. We are witnessing change atm. If you want accuracy you loom at your phone- period. Now it is not about the movement, it's about the finishing g and how it looks. Only those susceptible to marketing influence mention "heritage" etc. That is an intangible commodity based on "belief"-in other words away to s reward more money out of you. San Martin have overtaken Seiko 100%. Next up is mid-tierbrands.
@@alfredthegreat9543 That's your take. I think that yet another cloned design based around NH3x does not have earth shattering potential and thus will look elsewhere. San Martin is not a game changer for me at this point in time, but I must admit that they are making progress and I will keep my eye on their shenanigans.
Blue and orange clash? Sorry, but no they don't. At all. Those colors look great together, they are bright and unique. And they also went to the trouble of matching the color on the date window. Nice touch.
Florida Gators colors. Trust me, half of Florida will order the orange and blue. I'm a Tennessee alum and every watch head I know here has a Proxima 1713 just because of the orange and white color scheme. We take our sports very seriously here in the SEC lol. I'll be wearing my px1713 while my beloved Tennessee destroys Texas A and M for the NCAA baseball crown, GO VOLS!
Yep - this guy gets it…except for his taste in teams 😂
Gator fan here! Only considering this one because of the colors 🐊
Lol, go team spirit! 👍🏼😁
the gmt is a grand seiko homage
There are a number of other San Martin watches for which I don't like the color choices, but this blue and orange one I think is great for a fun summer watch. Bought one.
Colours are nice IMO
I love all the color combinations of these watches, they are great looking summer watches.
Nice mechanics, in love with the gmt!
I actually really like the colors on the dive watch
The diver looks like a copy of the Glycine combat sub, the case shape is very similar but thicker.
Yup, that's exactly what I thought when I saw the case shown from the side...
It looks to me more like a copy of the Halios Seaforth. Down to the indices and hands.
Not sure how I feel about the added ring on the dial (light blue in this model), but that is at least one feature that differentiates it from the Seaforth and Combat Sub.
@@J5pro Also true yes, because the Halios has similar beveled edges that the Combat Sub doesn't have. Anyway, of all those three I like the Glycine combat most because of how extremely thin it is for a 200m diver and how low and flat it sits on the wrist as a result. This San Martin is a nicely finished watch though, better finished than the Glycine and at least as good as the Halios. Good thing I'm not looking for more divers right now, or I might be tempted...
@@gerard8174 I'm pretty tempted already... I've been lusting over the Seaforth IV for a while now (been on the waitlist since 2021). I think this San Martin would be an awesome first diver, at less than 1/4 of the price of the Halios. But I'm inclined to hold to see if San Martin expands to offer different colors.
Can’t deny the quality that’s for sure. I just still have a hard time with the logo. But, I also did with Phoebus and I’ve got 3 from them now. 😊
the GMT is definitely a copy of the evolution 9 Grand Seiko. I own both of them, though the reverse colourway of the 3 hander on the milanese mesh bracelet. Great watches but the GMT is in another league. It competes with watches 5 times the price in terms of finishing. The 3 hander has very simple case finishing by design but still very impressive.
It's Def a copy. I agree. And the ppl on here saying otherwise, dont know anything other than $300 watches
I wish SM would offer half links even if I have to buy them separately. Jody getting half links for the Erebus Ascent gives me hope.
It's a huge oversight to not have half-links on bracelets with large links, unless the clasp has a huge range like the glidelock. But the glidelock in general is not a very good clasp. I'd much rather have a ratchet system with half-links than glidelock.
@@thegorn T-Fit is still the best clasp I’ve experienced followed by the SM and Omega clasps. But if Proxima and Erebus can have half links and are allegedly coming from the same factory, why can’t SM?
My orange dial blue strap diver arrived earlier this week. I love it 😊
I love the GMT, dial looks like night sky full of stars.
But the orange dial with blue is so beautiful 😍
Like a young summer love 💕
A white date on it would look like an incomplete/lazy design.
I like the 118 and the colorful scheme reminds me of the way Zodiac produce colorschemes that others shy away from
I thought the same thing. I would absolutely wear it. My only complaint or change I'd make is, I'd use black hands to stand out more against the orange dial, and shorten the counter balance on the second hand. 8:33 It's almost as long as the hour hand. LOL 🤣
Both are on the way to me now although the diver will be the orange bezel on orange strap. They will be my 1st SMs and looking forward to seeing the claimed quality.
Great review. I have the lapis lazuli version and loved the watch a lot and has been on my wrist almost 80% of the time since I got it LOL
Blue an orange are one of the most classic color combinations ever used. What a silly take.
SM is killing it right now. The GMT is I think pretty close to a Grand Seiko, but Jody thinks it’s an original so what’s good for Jody is good for me. Thanks for the great reviews!
I love the blue and orange colour combo, got one on the way.
Supply of a half link would solve the GMT watch strap sizing.
TBH the watch would have benefited from a sleeker smaller-link size bracelet, like an H link.
It would have been stunning then.
I just ordered the light blue dial with the orange bezel but purchased the mesh bracelet instead of the orange rubber strap for $218 😎 it will support my Casio Duro as a daily beater since I'm on the pool deck coaching every day😁
The GMT, while not a direct copy as such, is heavily, heavily inspired by the Grand Seiko SBGE range…
No doubt.
Aye, I'm glad they're offering some interesting dials recently that you don't often see from the brands themselves. The Grand Seiko Evolution 9 with female end links is basically what this new GMT is. But I'm a sucker for those dune/stone dials.
The vibe I get from the Chinese watch community is that 100% copy w/different branding = homage and 90% copied w/some minor tweaks = original design.
@@lokibentley8931 but it's ok when the swiss do it
@@taham33 Why the only response from this community is whataboutism...?
I bought the green and brown skin diver and it’s fantastic. Currently gaining less than a second a day. Insane for the price.
The dive watch is reminiscent of the Halios Seaforth and I'm really into it. I would instantly pick one up if they had less wacky colors on offer.
Do any folks here know of other dive watches that look nearly identical to this SN0118G or the Seaforth?
It’s been nice watching San Martin do what Phoibos did- prove their ability to sell quality homages, then pivot into selling original designs with the same quality. I’m just hoping they move on from that one GMT they keep milking colorways out of, but rooting for them.
I wish San Martin would release these GMT watches with rotating bezels! Would make super useful travel/dress watches
Great review. All StMartin reviews I see laud the fantastic quality. I'm accept them as honest reviews but I know if I was supplying a watch I would at the very least pull a dozen off the production line and send the best, whether it was gifted or paid for by a known YT reviewer. Not really a knock on StMartin and expect the Swiss are not above similar selections. In fact if I worked for a Seiko retailer and wanted a watch I would pick the most accurate and best aligned from stock available
The aventurine dial is a Grand Seiko copy, but hey they’re trying
I would be a bit cautious about the stated WR on all chinese watches. And SM has patchy customer service from customer reports. So yes they offer great value for money but there is the chance of picking up a bad one and maybe a bit of a pain to get it sorted.
Would like that if not gmt.also would love to see your audio gear
Interesting video. Personally I thought the fun colourway of the divewatch worked with the GMT looking a bit blingy. The GMT is clearly GS inspired, although far from a clone and dive watches are never going to look completely original. Not being a bracelet fan I can't really comment on the bracelet.
I'm not the first to say this here, but yeah, this is not an original line. I thought it was when I got exactly this aventurine SN0129. But it's clearly copying Grand Seiko. I was utterly blown away when it arrived in my mail. Love at first sight, for real! Then someone in the JOMW comments mentioned it being a Grand Seiko copy. Momentary sadness. Then back to the love affair. It is one of my favorite watches that I own. Top 5% of the collection for sure. Absolutely gorgeous, and superb fit on my 7" wrist.
The GMT is pushing it as an original design, very Grand Seiko like. Nice but both Rimalti and Cronos versions have nicer hands. Not so likely to send out a freebie though.
GMT is a beauty. I just wish they also went for a cheaper nato or leather version.
I agree that the dive watch doesn't need a color match date wheel but i still think the dive watch is great.
I will be buying more Aliexpress specials at some point but there is no way I am paying the ridiculous San Martin prices for Seiko NH movement watches. Addiesdive or Watchdive are presently the way to go imho.
Yes !! is AMAZING 😀
I’m not keen on the San Martin logo, and what is the origin of the name? I’m curious.
Is this really real 316 steel and sapphire crystal? Or minor material when it comes to quality? Why are these watches so affordable! They look gorgeous !
How is the lume on the GMT? Typical good San Martin lume?
I didn't have time to run my full lume tests as I was trying to get the video posted before the sale was over. But eyeballing it I'd say it's good, but not amazing. Definitely above average though.
@JusttheWatch Thanks Dave!
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That GMT is a GS copy
There are similarities, but it's not a copy.
@@thegorn I don't care about little differences. This watch would not exist if the GS were never released. That's a copy in my book
What's the model on the GS that its copying? Trying to find it because all the ones I've seen look different.
@@JusttheWatch SBGE 283&285
It's Def a copy..ur right
Copies no, but the aventurine does clearly seem to be a GS homage. There is enough difference not to call it a copy, but truly original is possibly a bit of stretch.
The dive watch is nice, but that date window is ridiculously small and difficult to read.
I've got the brown sand GMT on the way but if they'd still offered the avocado GMT I'd have bought that.
Hi can you review list of mecha-quartz watches? im interested in watches but afraid to wear mechanical😂
Watch collectors complain about the lack of originality. Normal watch nerds that do not have big budgets appreciate what San Martin does. In my view they are the best thing going on Aliexpress. I am sold on them.
We must absolutely be getting hosed by basically everybody Seiko and above.......Between Casio, SM, and Islander, I could have a nice hobby till I die. I used to poo poo Ali xpress until I bought a basically an explorer copy with Sapphire, NH mvmt, 100 meter, solid end links, nice bracelet, aligned perfectly, screw down, for $30.....One in green and one in cream dial. If San Martin made sort of an Alpinist with green face, gold arms, 4pm crown, and a world traveler feature, it would be the perfect watch for me.
The orange and blue should be at my house any day now
They would be great value at double the price, compared to Seiko....
GMT is a rip off of a Grand Seiko (mist flake). Still a lovely watch. I'm thinking of getting it.
Go Oilers!
#amzwatch Bolsa réplica 1:1 con imagen reflejada, resistente y resistente al desgaste. Me gusta mucho.
Disagree with respect to the blue and orange clashing.
There is a brown and green version of the SN0118 - reminds me of a chocolate & mint ice cream
San Martin needs a few 4 o’clock crown models.
$283 for a NH34 movement? For that price it should be at least upgraded to a Miyota 9000 series or similar. For those specs, it seems overpriced.
People who knock San Martin are mental. They're fantastic quality.
(Furzt) Been looking at the meteorite dial for a while
Defiantly not a colour scheme for hairy wrists.
Why is ypur video so dark
Please lose the Stussy logo, San Martin.
China and amazing don't go together
They need a new logo, it looks like it was created by a five year old in microsoft word
So many people on here trying to say that this is not a copy of the grand Seiko just goes to show you the difference between people who only deal in cheap watches and people who actually own and have experience with legitimate watches. People on here defending copies or just doing it because they don't want to be criticized for wearing copies. Anyone who looks at this in the grand Seiko and says it isn't a copy is delusional
You don't have to be a watch snob to admit that these are "remixes" of truly original designs. The fact that the only response you will get is whataboutism ("and what about Swiss/Japanese brands copying designs"), is telling for a person brought up during Cold War (To be honest, Soviet whataboutism was a "homage" of tu quoque fallacy itself.).
Well, you're obviously not a University of Illinois Illini fan.
When a watch doesn't have color match date:
"i wish they choose color match date wheel"
When a watch have a color match date: "i wish they chose the white date wheel"
If the date is replacing an hour marker, it should be in a contrasting color, otherwise it should be color matched.
Garbage. Nothing is left when they don't copy. And please don't say they compete with 2k watches, it's an insult to your reader's intelligence. I saw SM watches and they are far away for many sub 1k micro brands
Where did you see them?
Do a little research. Only one is an original design..the other one is a more of a clomage of a grand seiko. Also the diver is awesome, so calling it 3 stars only, is just silly. You're better than this.
Look closely. The indices are different, the hands are different, the crown is different, and the bracelet is different. Now show me where the Grand Seiko has an adventurine dial? These are all aspects that make it a homage and not a "clomage". You are the one who needs to do a little research. C'mon, you're better than this.
@thegorn your one of the ppl that hate luxury brands and try to justify copies haha this IS A COPY
@@musik4u343 all watches are copies. 12 hours and 2-4 hands. I mean... Come one, come up with something new.
@@FINsoininen it's a copy no matter what u try to say
@@musik4u343You’re better than this.
Now the chinese are cloning RZE. Buy the originals instead.
Just don't think about the human suffering and child labor that's likely involved in the production of San Martin watches and it's allllll fine
With this kind of accusation you need hard evidence. I bet that Western brands used the same factories as San Martin does, this aptness in technology of watch finishing is not something which appeared by itself in a labor camp.
I know there are some unethical practises in certain countries more than others and I get that but where is your evidence for this particular brand? If your going to act like the "good person" and say things like this, do it properly, and provide something within the realm of objectivity. Otherwise your no better than those that are unethical. Going around making accusations like this aggressively only creates more division and animosity and ultimately further exacerbates the issues. If your so passionate about child Labor issues then go do something real about it to make a difference.