I live alone and lead a rather solitary lifestyle which can manifest in loneliness. Sometimes it assists me to fall asleep by hearing human voices in the background, so I'll play a RUclips video quietly on my phone. This one entered my dreams in really interesting ways. Thanks, guys!
I always go to sleep to audio on my Bluetooth face mask. I feel the same way about how it helps to hear conversation when falling asleep. I can’t tell you how many times Bernardo interviews have infiltrated my dreams, in unique ways. In fact, it happened again last night.
... ... Yaar, sug-gesture: a 40+ year ago real-eased album, "Rainbow Dome Music" as expressed by Steve Hillage & Miquette Giraudy, combines individuation perspective in partnership with nature, posited as a Synthesis Perspective, begins with the sound of trickling water that is slowly overtaken&replaced by music. It's a perfectly balanced, any age, any time, multi-repeatable lullaby that works very well on continuous loop, for a tucked in, pre-sleep listen, and an unobtrusive, all-night, wake-up to, friendly welcoming & companionable thing. Cheers, from OZ, way down under in Australia ...
I have watched many interviews with Bernado and this has to rate as the most interesting and revealing. The conversation goes places I have never heard him go before. A most enlightening couple of hours, well worth a listen.
We are exceptionally fortunate. In the whole history of humankind, we are witnessing the emergence of a remarkably beautiful and potent alter ego of the Universal Mind - Bernardo Kastrup's Mind. Share it.
Thank you for letting Bernardo talk and take things in his own direction instead of pigeon-holing him like many other interviewers do. Great content and conversation technique.
For years and years I struggled with the whole “love yourself” until I arrived at this exact realization. To love the life inside of me that was granted by nature. Everything changed.
... yes, Jenn. & Cheers from OZ, away down under, in Australia. Ar-rival sense of familia-rareity zones are a far&few preciously wiewobbly moments, ofifeva ... 🎉
@@kaydurbin8497 Absolutely. I no longer struggle with the concept of loving myself because I simply understand I am part of nature, that the life inside me is Life itself. I do struggle with my egoic self or rather memories of how I lived before I realized I was a narcissistic a-hole but... the more I surrender to life as it is, the easier my own life becomes.
For those watching this who don't know - Bernardo ( the new Galileo) is expressing an old wisdom - advaita Vedanta - in modern scientific words . Schopenhauer had great respect for Vedanta that was just becoming known in Europe at his time . When Jesus said ' love others as thySelf ' he wasn't just saying ' be kind ' or whatever , he was saying others are thy Self . You are not just the ripple - you are the Lake ✌️
One of the most profound and important dialogues I've experienced on the TUBE. The implications and reverberations go to every corner of reality as it stands.
Johannes, This is pure gold. I have followed Bernardo's amazing work for 2 years and am also a therapist like you - the questions you asked are so germane to me. The more I practice, the more I see ontology as vital, but an ontology forged out of fearless honesty and compassion, not a dogma placed upon the client. Thanks SO MUCH for this!
This is one of my favourite talks with BC. It makes me "understand" his philosophy deeper. And why the Netherlands never can win the WC in football. Witch (paradoxically, as a swede) was one of my major traumas in the seventies. WC -74 is forever there as a reminder.
I loved this conversation. It's an honest open-minded conversation where you try to explore and translate into language something that is very subtle and easily misinterpreted. I Love Bernardo's deep knowledge and ability to humbly express and frame the concepts and Johannes open-minded willingness to absorb, feel how he receives it and try to clarify the more subtle parts of it. Absolutely amazing to be a part of. Thank you both.
Just when I thought I had already heard the best BK interview on RUclips, I came across this! Really good stuff. Great questions and dialogue. Thank you.
I cannot believe how perfectly this video reflects all the questions I have imagined asking Bernardo. I am also a therapist, and a huge proponent of ISTDP, as well as someone who finds a lot of sense and interest in Bernado's ontology. This is the perfect bringing-together of these strands of my experience. Thanks so much Johannes (and Bernardo). I am so pleased to have found your channel. I hope you get a chance to upload more around ISTDP, too.
Me too! I would love to be part of a discussion group on this, I teach psych and search for ways to bring this perspective to young students, they love Jung’s sense of the transcendent
@@psyfiles7351... We, all, presently here on Earth, are witnessing seperatly-together experiancing the transitional mid point dissolution of Piscies becoming Aquarius, fudgey overlapping squidgyness indecypherability anxieties, where a certain, minor % is required to tip the scales in favour & ACCEPTENCE of the kNEW PARADIGM. Hence, our squabbles over such things as, equality, & what, really, is a man, or a woman, & or the difference between being a child & or, an adult, servitude & sovereignty, where, what once was very clear, seems not so clear, at all ...
@@psyfiles7351... Yes-!!! Joseph Cambell covered ALL of this in his XLNT Myth series of boox & stories. But, Bernardo has so instinctively intuitified, & so wonderFully cognitively reduced & condensed Analytical Idealism, The True A.I. that So Many Of Us have been hanging on & waiting for. This IS-OUR-Bridge Over Troubled Waters. WITH THIS APPROACH FULLY IMPLEMENTED, OUR PRESENT & ULTRA CRITICAL CATASTROPHIC PATHWAY TO EXTINCTION MAY BE AVERTED ...
I respect it so much of Bernardo! His willingness and passion to play the game according to the "mainstream" rules and fight with open visor to see who is better or stronger. I hope this mainstream will be playing and not flee or hide. Somehow I try to register for his team.
Many others have made deep and thoughtful comments on this conversation. What struck me most is the passion you both express for your ideas, speaking from your harts, not giving up to connect on topics where language just cannot do the job. Thanks for the inspiration and all the beautiful insights.
TIMESTAMPS (they aren't in clickable format in the description, so I adjusted them): 0:00:00 - On Bernardo’s commitment to truth and how materialism got underneath his skin 0:12:00 - I introduce myself and ask Bernardo to speak to what drives and alleviates mental anguish and neurosis 0:18:00 - a brief reference to Sigmund Freud and Friedrich Nietzsche 0:24:00 - I introduce my main concern regarding his work - a psychology without a psyche 0:32:00 - Bernardo sees the dangers of using language such as “there is no personal self” 0:38:00 - how does he square his view that the illusory nature of the personal self and Carl Jung’s emphasis on the importance of individuating, becoming one’s own person 0:45:00 - volition, freedom, autonomy - “The case of Jane” 0:48:00 - the slave and the master is within Jane 0:51:00 - Is the witness the Master? 0:55:00 - What nature wants through us = what we want in our hearts of hearts - natural self vs adaptive self 0:56:00 - needs for safety not necessarily related to subscribing to a narrative 1:00:00 - Bernardo’s thoughts of suicide, invaluable mentoring, and honoring what we want in our hearts of hearts (“what nature wants through you”) 1:05:00 - Affection for Bernardo. The issue of vantage point, surrender vs. will power 1:06:00 - A personal tragedy for Bernardo 1:08:00 - Finally a meeting of the minds, where our two ontologies appear to overlap, and the subject of impotence versus power 1:10:00 - A nod to Iain McGilchrist 1:11:00 - When the adaptive self (defense mechanisms) rules over the natural self, we are crippled and miserable 1:13:00 - volitional side of who we are needs to be acknowledged as real, not an empty process 1:15:00 - freedom of the slave concept - has impulse control but does not try to repress our true emotions and desires 1:16:00 - let’s not conceptualize the “ego” as apart from the experiencing Subject 1:17:00 - Even without narratives there is individuality. 1:22:00 - the possibility of personal memories and a form of ego consciousness surviving death 1:24:00 - Bernardo reiterates that he never meant to try to take the “psyche out of psychology.” 1:25:00 - All narratives or attempts to define what were are miss the mark 1:27:00 - living fully the best way to shed false narratives, an effort to fight them furthers neurosis 1:28:00 - the instinct-wise man in Brazil 1:35:00 - We both have a sense of being culturally homeless 1:37:00 - approaching sociology: tribalism, collectivist cultures, individualistic cultures, and the price of non-conformity 1:42:00 - More on Latin culture, my fiancé, and a mind-blowing nuance. 1:47:00 - A scrapper, and what makes a person reliable 1:52:00 - that which is seeing through my eyes, deliberating, and responding - one field of subjectivity taking different points of view through each of us 1:53:00 - What is the reference point that allows us to determine that life is bizarre? The question Bernardo has feared for many years 1:58:00 - my version of Bernardo’s experience 1:59:00 - Bernardo’s childhood “fall from Grace” 2:00:00 - The ontological implication of Bernardo’s experience: Perceptions and discernment without language-based concepts 2:07:00 - Idealism and Buddhism 2:12:00 - Having been confronted with the contradiction between a selfless view and the view of the changeless witness, Bernardo decides to speak about something he has only mentioned once before, something he says he cannot defend “on rational and empirical grounds.” Bernardo: “Nothing is going on.” 2:20:00 - My rebuttal and Bernardo’s sympathetic response to my rebuttal 2:28:00 - Bernardo speaks of “nothingness that is pregnant with everything” 2:31:00 - Bernardo says, “I can see it in your eyes that I failed to trick you.” 2:32:00 - How we conceptualize a spiritual experience matters and can be dangerous 2:34:00 - Giving Bernardo credit for being so experience-near 2:43:00 - Rage against the nerds 2:50:00 - Philosophizing that shuts us down versus philosophizing from the heart 3:06:00 - Politics and more sociology, shared distaste for post-modernism/post-structuralism
This is hands down the best interview done with Bernardo Kastrup because the interviewer challenged him again and again and even explored his personal backstory. I was impressed by that and by the fact that Bernardo never lost consistency, never appeared to be mentally fabricating in order to fill or defend gaps he’d never thought of, and even explained important context for each of his responses. My confidence in Bernardo as a credible philosopher is 100 percent after watching this. He is fully aware of what he knows, why he knows it, what its purpose is, and within what environment it plays out. You rarely find such air tight logic. Even with most scientists or critical theorists, they are often blind to the unexamined assumptions their theories are shakily standing on. I’m just very impressed with Bernardo and the interviewer after this.
Amazing interview! I’ve seen all the other kastrup interviews and this was by far the best one hands down. The start was excellent I feel like some interviewers bulldoze through some of the concepts and ideas that Bernardo has so much more to speak on. Thank you!
Yes! Such a good interviewer! Just a dynamite duo. I almost never felt like I had hangups or doubts about Bernardos philosophy which Johannes didn't address. Also, he didn't give up. He kept pressing and circling with Bernardo until they were able to arrive at the fulcrum of the issue - or as near as they could, in the time they had.
I've been watching Bernardo a lot over the last year and am extremely grateful for the way he thinks and how he's able to share his ideas so clearly. It's helped me grow so much. This interview is amazing! It's a little different than most of the other interviews. Johannes is very thoughtful and makes for a great interviewer.
this is one of the most insightful BK interviews i have seen. I appreciate your challenging of his ideas Johannes, especially from the perspective of a professional psychologist. It is a wonderful dialogue.
I watched this 2 years ago and just rewatched it. I do very much appreciate the wisdom and insight I personally gained from this video to help me to better understand Ego and my true self. Thank you for all the time and deep insights.
I’ve just recently found Bernardo and his work! I am at the beginning stage of delving into it! I’m so excited to explore it further, because So Much of it resonates! I wanted to say thank you for asking for clarification on certain viewpoints, because I also wanted to know them! Your thoroughness and this interview was brilliant 💙
I am in much the same camp as yourself! BK has a way of framing (potentially) difficult scientific and philosophical concepts in a way that is both clear and concise. If you find that these ideas are making _a lot_ of sense to you, then I would also recommend that you take a look at some of Donald Hoffman's interviews. Like BK, he is an idealist, but he is first and foremost a scientist, rather than also being a philosopher. Take care and best of luck!
... &, the (*I*) THAT... I... am NOT, has experianced THAT mental space, or, void, OVER & OVER again, repetAtively, for 3 DAZE running, in-A-row, flowingly, GLOWINGLY, slowingly, thaughts, as like WORDS, ona page, on a screen, go from right to left, appear,&,flow&go away&come BACK, again, in-X-plic-ab-ALLY, in-dis-cribe-able ...
@2:33:47 This happened to me 3 times in my life. I see it and it's overwhelming so the mind comes back in disbelief. Very strange experience. Brought me to tears. . It's almost as if the body-mind can't handle it. The first logical question that comes after this experience is "What is THIS experience we're having"? Everything becomes unknown and somehow you're content with that. Some call it bliss. I call it peace.
Amazing discussion. For me, 4 deep insights to take away: 1. The question: Am I an "oceaning" ripple or the rippling ocean? Possible answer: I (a ripple) and my Father (the ocean) are one; 2. "No-thingness is pregnant with everything"; 3. Any thought or statement about (the genious of) Bernardo would be "an invalid move in the chess game"; 4. Pristine AMAZEMENT is ineffable - just like this interview. Thank you Bernardo, thank you Johannes for 3+ hours of pure AMAZEMENT. Bless you.
It is the third time i am listening to this high quality conversation IT makes me soo glad the tune of honesty ...the sounds of truth and wisdom .. philosophy,ontology and reality that I can be a part of .
Again, much appreciation to Bernardo for this interview. Here are some reflections -- essentially what I tried to convey in my talk with Bernardo, but I don't think I was able to make my point this clearly: The adaptive self consists of the strategies (largely avoidance strategies) we engage in to adapt to the challenges of our childhoods. By nature they involve denying or tuning out parts of ourselves (the natural self) that were not well received by our environments. The adaptive self is therefore about what helped us survive, which means what our caretaker(s) and communities considered to be “good,” and that which was considered “bad” is disavowed. This is the beginning of the “cleavage” in the psyche” that Carl Jung speaks about as the heart of neurosis. Being at war with ourselves. Healing this, as Jung aptly pointed out, means that we heal this rift, we do not further the rift by trying to avoid or shun any one part of who we are. This is why I am troubled by language that pits “the ego” against “nature,” as if our executive functions, even our avoidance strategies (defense mechanisms) are somehow other than nature. This merely creates another polarity and furthers neurosis. So how do we deal with self-deception and the crippling, misery inducing effects of maladaptive defenses? How do we find and stay true to our healthiest, most life-affirming motivations? To answer that, let’s review some basics: The adaptive self (defenses) is the raft that gets us across the rocky waters of our childhoods. When we reach the shores of adulthood and pick up the raft and carry it with us on our shoulders, the adaptive self becomes an emotional straight-jacket. We become psychic cripples, cut off from our depths, from our natural selves. We react instead of respond, We run on auto-pilot much of the time, which cuts off our response-ability, the part of us that can respond and is therefore responsible for what we do (whether that part of us is obfuscated from lucid awareness or not). This is the essence of self-sabotage and self-defeat, to live like this. If the heart of the crippled way of life involves shunning parts of who we are (polarities pitted against each other), one thing we can conclude with certainty is that more of the same will not help. Devaluing the “ego” does not help. Punishing ourselves by setting up impossible ideals of selflessness do not help. There is indeed a war that needs to be waged, and won, if we are to enjoy a relative neurosis-free existence. But the war is not won by engaging the very instruments used to create the neurosis. Conceptualizing the “ego” as apart from nature, or our deeper self, ensnares us further not neurosis. Trying to do an end-run around this by seeing the self as unreal (an ontologically unsound position) is more of the same, since we cannot overcome our basic survival instincts and self-concern. So how do we win the war? By not allowing our conflicting (polar) motivations to divide us. By integrating the good, the bad, and everything in between into a cohesive and full sense of who we are. This amounts to letting go of out-dated defense mechanisms that cuts us off from “our heart of hearts.” Because these defenses are often so deeply ingrained, this takes intense determination, will power, blood, sweat, and tears. If we are identified with the adaptive self, we could say that it’s about surrender.” If we are identified with the natural self that is trapped underneath the weight of the adaptive self, it’s more a matter of fighting, of willing, of committing to facing the truth without flinching - all our feelings, our rage, our sadism, our grief, our longings, and remorse, our pain, our love, and our tenderness. There is both surrender, or allowing, and tremendous exertion of will power that goes into winning this war. Coming out the other side means we are not helpless victims, but in charge, guided by a deeply felt sense of what is truly best for us. Authoritarian ideals of selflessness torture us no more, though ironically speaking, we are freed up to be less self-concerned, less absorbed in worrying about our self-imagine. When our psyche is divided, we are easily controlled and manipulated. When we are OK with all all that we are, no one can control or manipulate us. No one writes better about these dynamics that Joel Kramer and Diana Alstaad (1993). I recommend their book: “Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power.”
Well said. I think Bernardo would agree, based on this conversation and on what I’ve read of him, but he would also say something like: the ego is a way that Nature expresses itself or, to use a water metaphor that he likes (also common in Advaita Vedanta circles), a wave (ego or finite self) is real but only because the ocean (Cosmic Consciousness or Infinite Self) is real and it takes that form for a while. In practice, this ontological view may or may not be particularly helpful in all situations. I personally find that it has re-enchanted a world that, for most of my adult life, I believed was fundamentally meaningless. That’s not to suggest that idealism is a panacea. Life is still a struggle - in part because capitalism is much more pernicious than Bernardo seems to think, especially in its stronger American form. But I do feel more at home in the world, thanks to Bernardo’s work.
Excellent dialogue. As I see the guru/philosophy of self-development field these days - Many are addicted to seek supplication to the non-responsive narcissistic other - if they have some sack cloth and ashes for us to wear - all the better. Thus all these narcissistic “gurus” come along with some magic thought tricks, peak experience and bogus epistemology and seduce thousands. Any aggrandising delusion that absolves responsibility to really listen to ourselves and the real people around us. Any school of adaptive thought or liberation models- are prone to breed delusion - far more than the actual milleu of persons and rich intersubjectivity around us...if we have the courage to speak up and listen.
Alan Watts brought me to Bernardo Kastrup and I can hear and feel his wise words, the eternal now, in most of what was discussed above. Adding Carl Jung to the discourse takes it all to another level!
I am Ukrainian. Thank you so much for your support and wise words on war and world situation in general (on your website). I am not sure, if I support organized religions, probably not. But your theory, your wisdom and logic is truly enlightening. Finally, idealism without outrageous clams, indigestible dogmas, unpardonable gods and primitivism. And finally a philosopher who is such a charismatic, even sexy :) person! Thank you, Bernardo!
We are individual manifestations of the same consciousness - like an artist creates a painting. Like a mother and her child. A God and its Progeny. "I formed you before you were in your mothers womb." Thank you, gentlemen, for this wonderful discussion.
I love this guy he needs a bigger audience. Bernardo needs to speak with Hemeroff and Penrose on consciousness. Harris and Dawkins won’t debate him people say it’s because he’s a small fish but I believe it’s because he is far more intellectual and would hang them out to dry!!!
Really great stuff. So impressed with Kastrup, such precise and clear thought, such important ideas, and such a darn good guy. I’d one day like to hear him speak further on living with acute tinnitus.
Beautiful question/s Johannes. The bit about the daemon and the danger of neglecting the apparent "anti-daemon" is so seminal. Indeed, each voice in the chorus has merit and deserves acknowledgement.
Excellent interview. The questions were great, they brought out the brilliant and nuanced thinking Bernardo has in abundance. Regarding "There is nothing going on," I see it differently. If the Absolute is the unchanging ground of being, then whatever happens in the trans-personal mind is like a dream. The Absolute remains what it is and always will be, so, "Nothing ever happens." I am willing to admit that I may not be intelligent enough to grasp Bernardo's explanation. But my understanding satisfies me and until I understand differently, I'm a happy camper.
Nothing something and everything are actually all equivalent ways of expressing the same janus faced reality. Something is going on is the individual meta consciousness coming into realization of its selfhood that’s different from outer reality. Everything is going on, is the other equally valid realization that in order to differentiate there must be an equal background of similarity of total homogenous oneness of which we are instantiations. And nothing, goes on because everything is nothing from the point of view of outside of it, or rather nothing doesn’t exist but rather pure potential, and that true potential is the closest thing to nothing because it is unconstrained and cant be cognized directly, but yet everything partakes and depends on it.
I think you probably have the correct intuition here, I'm just not completely sure what it is that you think. But, given the way that BK runs forward, and then retreats again, on the subject I can hardly blame you for being unsure either! Best of luck, from another uneducated philosophical dabbler, cheers!
@@hansfrankfurter2903 well, maybe. But how can you say that the "one thing" has individually differentiated perspectives? This appears to be the issue that BK was skirting. On the one hand, given that motion, matter, time and space are clearly impossible, neither can there be any individual selves existing in the world. Duh! Yet to recognise this fact would seemingly require individual selves engaging in some form of critical introspection. This, how can "one thing" ever see "one thing?"
This is my favorite Kastrup interview, and I have watched a lot because he is really intelligent; and it's my favorite because you have gently pressed him on the way his analytic idealistic philosophy can be misconstrued. And in the Jungian spirit, this really helped round out his philosophical points with the subtleties necessary to show in essence his philosophy in heart and spirit, without killing the mystery still inside the core of the matter. Because of your interview, the lingering questions I had about Bernardo's perspective, were carefully addressed in a really beautiful way. Kastrup is so important for check-mating the game as it is, I only wonder now how we can begin to talk about the archetypes of personal experience, to begin to open the mystery within, so that the world as a whole is enlivened with a Hillman soul... and can that be done in harmony with our rational appreciation?
Nice distinction between form and function. Also great reminder of Banduras' contribution of " Real" as including the " Covert". Wonderful example of a great exchange between two different but compassionate WILLS. Two committed, studied, and embodied souls Joyfully in a created Ensemble. How rare and generous. 😊🎶
A word that's used a lot is Source, Everything, what we can experience but never comprehend fully. We can get ever closer to pure Consciosness, but we can never become it.
Bernardo is a philosopher and I think his arguements, models, and metaphors for analytical idealism are wonderful. But I find that the further he steps into talking about psychology, the less useful his metaphors and arguements become. He'd certainly agree. His work isn't very well suited for the languaging that is most often needed in the therapy room. However, his comments in this video about individuation were outstanding.
I feel the unresolved crestive tension in this discussion. The therapist is needing to insist on a kind of distinction that Bernardo isn't really making. They ultimately fit together, but Bernardo's metaphors are not pointing at the kind of experiencing that therapist wants to affirm. As a therapist myself I see the challenge :)
@@rooruffneck... Yes, there is unnresolved tension. Like surface tension on water is a foundation for small, very light creatures use to gain a holding purchase. Is there, then, really a need for resolution-? What would they have to riff & flow with-? Cheers, from OZ ...
Great questions, and helpful pushback! I know where you're coming from re: the concept of "Emptiness." I would like to learn the Pali word, and understand more about its colloquial uses outside of the suttas. One reason I shifted West in my philosophy / religiospirituality was because I'm simply more inclined to learn extensive etymologies of Greek words, as I'm a native English speaker. If I was really going to get as deep into a Buddhist tradition (I practiced both Zen [in Thich Nhat Hanh's more poetic, west-friendly adaptation] and Vajaryana), I would've wanted to learn as much Pali Sanskrit as I could, which posed additional logistical concerns. Really thankful for this talk. Mr. Kieding, I signed up for your channel and notifications. Good stuff.
Thanks for these thoughtful comments. Most of my channel is for psychotherapists trying to improve their craft, but perhaps some of it will still interest you.
@@LearningForPsychotherapists Absolutely! I see a therapist almost weekly, and am very interested in the logistics of what his challenges are to understand my own participation. I've also been watching a series here on RUclips which you may find interesting: Gregg Henriques, John Vervaeke and Garri Hovhannisyan, called "Psyche-pathology and Well Being." They possess your same passion for getting at the right ontological structure for working with the human system toward healing.
This is my first encounter with Bernado’s approach. A brilliant discussion full of gold nuggets. I had goose bumps most of the time. Their discussion on Buddhism is spot on. Haven’t watched other Bernado videos and I wonder whether there is anything else after watching this ….I think credit goes to Johannes for excellent questioning and his own desire to understand life.
This was an absolute pleasure to listen to. Thank you Johannes for your thoughtful responses and subtlety drawing out such clarity from Bernardo's concepts.
I would love to see an interview with someone of the same mental caliber as Bernardo. It feels like Bernardo is about 6 standard deviations in intellect above from all interviewers and that’s why it s hard to “get” Bernardo and hard to know how to question him fully and really follow his logic. In this regard, the interviews are awesome but feel lacking.
@@amylee9 Check out his debates as well. When he was still a monk, before his academic education, he attended the rough Debating school of Tibetan Buddhism for years and he's hard to beat. They have a very evolved system of logic. Also, he's been fighting hard for many years against scientific materialism / physicalism just like Bernardo. I enjoy the different hats he can wear as academic and intellectual and Buddhist. As a lama he specialises in Dzogchen and Mahamudra for many years and achieves incredible clarity in relating the philosophical and practical content, stripped of cultural and ritualistic burdens as far as possible (which is in the nature of Dzogchen and Mahamudra anyway and one doesn't have to be a Buddhist to practise them). Having become familiar with this, it is uncanny how congruent and frequently identical they are with Bernardo's philosophy. I can only hope that they know each other already or will meet one day. The major difference between them is that Alan Wallace also follows the practice of Meditation as practical application of the philosophy.
@@babetteadrian This is right up my alley. It's puzzling how I never came across his videos before since this is what I enjoy learning about. I also hope to see these two in a dialogue. If you have any other suggestions, please send them my way. Thanks!
Absolutely brilliant insights. I have lived many of these lessons. It's great to see my life viewed through the lense of this wonderful conversation. God Bless!
As a Brazilian I can avow to what BK is saying about tribalism and about the experience of suffering from the pressures to be part of the group. Unlike him, I managed to use this atypical temperament of mine to become a psychologist and guide many to the path of individuation. It truly feels like having the best of both worlds, since Brazil can be an unparalleled pleasant place to live.
Just to add my 2 cents to the Buddhism conversation - you guys are right that there is a huge amount of canon; however, it is all built upon the foundation of the Pali canon (which is admittedly also vast compared to, say, the biblical canon), and the Buddha of the Pali canon did not expound the doctrine of "no-self" that one often connects with Buddhism. He taught that it was useful to perceive all phenomena as "not self". Essentially, you do not settle on self definitions, whether they be positive or negative; which is in line with what you said in an earlier part of the conversation. Of course, this is only one of many ways of interpreting Buddhist doctrine, but I find it to be the most internally consistent interpretation of "anatta" teachings.
This is amazing and inspiring . I discovered Bernardo through following Rupert Spira and I am enthralled . This video has offered a wonderful view of Bernardo and explains my attraction to his work and ideas. Truth now has a chance! Thank you.
Bernardo's story (153.00) about his instinct as a baby for the sheer weirdness of the world is charming. The fact that he feels compelled to apologise for this memory is sad for him and disturbing for the broader culture. I know with resolute certainty that his story is 100% true and his memory of it is accurate in all senses that could conceivably matter.
I apply what you said about perspective to where it's best for me to live. I live in Cali, Colombia where the climate is warm tropical, no extreme heat like in India where I've lived or extreme cold like in Norway where I'm from. No place is perfect, but at least from the weather perspective Cali is perfect for me.
2:47:00 Bernardo completly nailed it. There is a generation with sci background that doesnt recon themselfs on the left brain logic game. Infering conscious from meterialism just doesnt make sense anymore. Bernardo is representing all of us in this.
I have heard that Bernardo is the most impactful philosopher of our time. I think it’s actually true. You must listen to the final 20 min to really get it.
Great interview...I think I first caught a glimpse of Bernardo while looking up things on consciousness ...and I have been watching everything I can that he has been putting out ever since.
Thanks you very much Johannes & Bernardo for the wonderful insights. A lot of love from Bridgetown in Western Australia. Bernardo Thanks for your time and touching so many things and some personal things of your early life with connected to nature man of wisdom. clarifying about philosophy the way it was done from 2500 years and the way analytic philosophy is done from last 100 yrs and gone into abstraction and lost touch with Mind at Large and Self. I love your passion the way you described Nietzsche and Soren Kierkegaard, Spinoza, Plato, Parmenides. I completely share your feelings about way of life of people who live close to nature, In Calmness and connectedness with environment, because I moved to a small town in WA from 3 years and it has changed my perspective a lot. Thanks to Jaron Lanier for stressing the dangers of too much social media on the mind because of which I am able to devote more time to deep thinking of you fine people. Bernardo, I ve got all your books and I am reading Schopenhauer at present, but after todays talk starting More than Allegory as well. Heartiest Best Wishes for Essentia and love from heart of hearts.
In relation to the "nothing is going on" and ineffable transcendental experience can't be described with words, quoting C. G. Jung (excerpt from a letter by Jung to John Trinick) : "To deal with the coniunctio in human words is a disconcerting task, since you are forced to express and formulate a process taking place “in Mercurio” and not on the level of human thought and human language, i.e., not within the sphere of discriminating consciousness. On this side of the epistemological barrier we have to separate the opposites in order to produce comprehensible speech. You have to state that a is not b, that above is not below, that the perfume of the Spiritus Sanctus is not the malus odor sepulchrorum sive inferni and that the nuptiae spirituales are not the carnal union of bodies. Yet in the archetypal unimaginable event that forms the basis of Conscious apperception, a is b, stench is perfume, sex is amor Dei, as inevitably as the conclusion that God is the complexio oppositorum. The alchemists were more or less aware of this shocking state of affairs, although rarely explicitly so. Usually, whether consciously or not, they tried not to commit themselves, yet they also did not avoid symbolic allusions or pictures of an alluring kind. They expressed f.i. shock at the idea of incest, yet they could not refrain from using the term, just as little as undoubtedly Christian poets did, f.i. Chretien de Troyes: “Dieu qui fit de Sa fille Sa mere.” The fact is that the figures behind the epistemological curtain, i.e., the archetypes, are “impossible” unions of opposites, transcendental beings which can only be apperceived by contrasts. Good can only be understood by “not bad,” “day” by “not night,” etc. Alchemy tries to express the Good, the Splendid, the Light, the Gold, the Incorruptibile et Aeternum by the materia vilis and is therefore forced to speak of Death, Putredo, Incineratio, Nigredo, Venenum, Draco, Malus Odor, P estilentia, Leprositas, etc. Since the coniunctio is an essentially transcendental, i.e., archetypal process and since our mental attitude is still essentially Christian we emphasize the Spirit, the Good, the Light, the Above, the spiritualized, i.e., subtle body, purity, chastity, etc. and separate all that from the contrary, which we have to mention nevertheless, even by explicitly denying, disregarding and condemning it. It will be there, because it belongs inevitably to the transcendental, archetypal reality. Good cannot exist without Evil, nor luminositas sine nigredine Mysteria revelata vilescunt. In trying to reveal that which no mortal being is able to conceive, we distort and say the wrong things. Instead of creating light, we conceal in darkness, instead of lifting up, we expose the treasure to ridicule and contempt. Instead of opening a way, we barricade it by an inextricable snarl of paradoxes. “In Mercurio” spirit and matter are one. This is a mystery nobody is ever going to solve. It is real, but we are unable to express its reality. An alchemist very wisely said: Artifex non est magister Lapidi sed potius efus minister. When the artifex speaks, he will always say the wrong things, or at least things that are also wrong. It is neti-neti in other words: beyond our grasp, although it is a definite experience. It is said of the Stone: habet mille nomina, which means that there is not one name expressing the Mystery. Your attempts to formulate it are not vain or futile; on the contrary, our labours are witnesses to the living Mystery, honest attempts to find words for the Ineffable. The “way” is not an upward-going straight line, f.i. from earth to heaven or from matter to spirit, but rather a circumabulatio of and an approximation to the Centrum. We are not liberated by leaving something behind but only by fulfilling our task as mixta composita i.e., human beings between the opposites." C.G. Jung ~Carl Gustav Jung, Letters Vol. II, Pages 392-396.
Guys bless you both, Johannes my first encounter with you, which came directly after watching Bernardo being interviewed by a very sweet lady called Jane, but was in my opinion a mind numbing waist of Bernardo's time, aside from revealing what a sweet kind and patient guy Bernardo is, no judgement of Jane though because I'm some kind of freak of nature who at 56 is just discovering that I may well be Asperger's, but anyway, what a marvelous conversation on both your parts an cements my thoughts that Bernardo is one of the very great minds and beings of our time, you guys should both check out Gary Stevenson and a new love of mine grand master Wolf, Johannes if I could afford a therapist I'd choose you, totally with the idea of basic income for all and I mean all, being a way to free humanity to allow nature and our innate creativity to flow, must check out Bernardo foundation, but education has to tackled, not just for kids either, I'm a cross breed Celt so education is supposed to be a life long endeavour. So bless you both that hit the spot, oh one thought crossed my mind was we haven't tried anarchy properly, I'm currently in Catalunya Spain and they apparently did briefly along with somewhere else I can't remember, just had to delete my thoughts on Catalunya but help me god,.. lol though it's not funny at all. Fabulous guys... Many many thanks...!!!
Also a conversation between you and Neil Theise The Complexity Theory ❤ Which in my understanding is describing how nature works in a way that believe aligns with your philosophy in a beautiful way.
2:09:00 I do believe the interviewer is misrepresenting Buddhism but he is not making that interpretation up. Most Buddhists treat the nonself teaching as a position, which it is not. It is a perceptual tool aimed at dis-identifying with all that we are not. Bernardo’s interpretation after was pretty awesome too
around 2:01:00 I also think its funny how if you just look down at the floor, that isn't really any different to looking from the top of a tall skyscraper. The only difference is that one drop would kill you, and the other wouldn't. But they are both as detailed, if you look at the floor, there is a whole world inside your carpet, not that much less detailed than city streets. And when you look down a long street, or out to sea, its the same as a huge drop, but its just that gravity is pulling you into the earth, so you never think of it as a huge drop... but the funny thing is that it looks exactly the same as if it were. Its funny because some people are terrified at the sight of a huge drop, but visually they are all around us all the time.
@ ~2:20:00 What about using the word "Presence" (Awareness) instead of "Present" (Now). It seems that "Presence" doesn't seem to have the time baggage that the word "Present" does.
We pick apart nature with our experiences and try to recombine it with concepts to gain an individual and enhanced picture of reality. This is a spiritual process happening in the material world.
I loved your way of interviewing and conversing and thought you put so many interesting questions forward in such an empathic and wise way. Thank you so much for making and sharing this!
This conversation is awesome! It is very complete and touches many topics where I wanted to know Bernardo´s opinion, like psychology and politics. I especially likes his views about taxes (to live in a compassionate society) and basic income as a way for people to express their creativity (accepting the fact that they will live a frugal life). I also likes how Johannes doesn't stop till he is satisfied with the anwers. Thanks!!
I was thinking of his theory of disassociation, and I think, that many people experience our minds disassociate daily, by not wanting to be in an experience that we are having. It's as if the will, the will creates a split between the innumerable psychic spirits in the numinous Psyche at Large. And a self-will complex forms a multi-varied experiential field of conscious realization. An excitation of these ontologically psychic processes string together in a memory relation that has become a memory-descriptive experiential story of our lives being driven by the very beingness of cosmic self.
For what it is worth I humbly say that in a short sentence Bernardo summed up the Heart of Buddhist teaching . No self means no ego self but Nirvana reflects undifferentiated Consciousness. The teachings of Buddha reflect qualities of Wisdom , Peace, Compassion etc - all of which reflect a ' positive ' state rather than a void ✌️.
Wordsworth shared Bernado's childhood experiences and expressed this in his Ode to Immortality as have many others in history. His concept-percept view coincides very clearly with Rudolf Steiner's description of how thinking relates to reality.
I live alone and lead a rather solitary lifestyle which can manifest in loneliness. Sometimes it assists me to fall asleep by hearing human voices in the background, so I'll play a RUclips video quietly on my phone. This one entered my dreams in really interesting ways. Thanks, guys!
Thanks for sharing! I wish you continued interesting, deep dreams 💫✨
I always go to sleep to audio on my Bluetooth face mask. I feel the same way about how it helps to hear conversation when falling asleep.
I can’t tell you how many times Bernardo interviews have infiltrated my dreams, in unique ways. In fact, it happened again last night.
Same:)
... ... Yaar, sug-gesture:
a 40+ year ago real-eased album,
"Rainbow Dome Music" as expressed by Steve Hillage & Miquette Giraudy, combines individuation perspective in partnership with nature, posited as a Synthesis Perspective, begins with the sound of trickling water that is slowly overtaken&replaced by music. It's a perfectly balanced, any age, any time, multi-repeatable lullaby that works very well on continuous loop, for a tucked in, pre-sleep listen, and an unobtrusive, all-night, wake-up to, friendly welcoming & companionable thing.
Cheers, from OZ, way down under in Australia ...
much love! thank you for sharing
I have watched many interviews with Bernado and this has to rate as the most interesting and revealing. The conversation goes places I have never heard him go before. A most enlightening couple of hours, well worth a listen.
My sentiments exactly!
Please
Thanks from my heart from Brasil 🇧🇷
@@johnstephens3927... T-Y ...
We are exceptionally fortunate. In the whole history of humankind, we are witnessing the emergence of a remarkably beautiful and potent alter ego of the Universal Mind - Bernardo Kastrup's Mind. Share it.
Thank you for letting Bernardo talk and take things in his own direction instead of pigeon-holing him like many other interviewers do. Great content and conversation technique.
For years and years I struggled with the whole “love yourself” until I arrived at this exact realization. To love the life inside of me that was granted by nature.
Everything changed.
... yes, Jenn. & Cheers from OZ, away down under,
in Australia.
Ar-rival sense of familia-rareity zones are a far&few preciously wiewobbly moments, ofifeva ... 🎉
Yes Im beginning to discover that Loving myself is key to happiness.
@@kaydurbin8497 Absolutely. I no longer struggle with the concept of loving myself because I simply understand I am part of nature, that the life inside me is Life itself.
I do struggle with my egoic self or rather memories of how I lived before I realized I was a narcissistic a-hole but... the more I surrender to life as it is, the easier my own life becomes.
For those watching this who don't know - Bernardo ( the new Galileo) is expressing an old wisdom - advaita Vedanta - in modern scientific words . Schopenhauer had great respect for Vedanta that was just becoming known in Europe at his time . When Jesus said ' love others as thySelf ' he wasn't just saying ' be kind ' or whatever , he was saying others are thy Self . You are not just the ripple - you are the Lake ✌️
... yes, Michael,
LOVE is Equal To Humility and Gratitude for the Confidence and the Prowhes, and That WILL, is what Stabilises LOVE ...
I love others far more than my self.
One of the most profound and important dialogues I've experienced on the TUBE. The implications and reverberations go to every corner of reality as it stands.
Agree.
Or _doesn't_ stand. Hahaha.
... "finely-!-?"
ISNESS as a
a grandly, intuitable includivIDual, multi-viewable, recognitive expressability conglomeritational achievementality, indeed-INDEED-!!!
🎉❤😂
Boy!! What an intriguing conversation!
Thank you for the opportunity to listen!
Johannes, This is pure gold. I have followed Bernardo's amazing work for 2 years and am also a therapist like you - the questions you asked are so germane to me. The more I practice, the more I see ontology as vital, but an ontology forged out of fearless honesty and compassion, not a dogma placed upon the client. Thanks SO MUCH for this!
This is one of my favourite talks with BC. It makes me "understand" his philosophy deeper.
And why the Netherlands never can win the WC in football. Witch (paradoxically, as a swede) was one of my major traumas in the seventies. WC -74 is forever there as a reminder.
One of the best conversations on the internet period.
Thank you so much.
Agreed! Really good video, guys you did a great job!
I loved this conversation. It's an honest open-minded conversation where you try to explore and translate into language something that is very subtle and easily misinterpreted. I Love Bernardo's deep knowledge and ability to humbly express and frame the concepts and Johannes open-minded willingness to absorb, feel how he receives it and try to clarify the more subtle parts of it. Absolutely amazing to be a part of. Thank you both.
Just when I thought I had already heard the best BK interview on RUclips, I came across this! Really good stuff. Great questions and dialogue. Thank you.
I cannot believe how perfectly this video reflects all the questions I have imagined asking Bernardo. I am also a therapist, and a huge proponent of ISTDP, as well as someone who finds a lot of sense and interest in Bernado's ontology. This is the perfect bringing-together of these strands of my experience. Thanks so much Johannes (and Bernardo). I am so pleased to have found your channel. I hope you get a chance to upload more around ISTDP, too.
Thank you for the kind words. If you haven't done so already, join my group on Facebook: "ISTDP Peer Community." Hope to see you there.
Me too! I would love to be part of a discussion group on this, I teach psych and search for ways to bring this perspective to young students, they love Jung’s sense of the transcendent
@@psyfiles7351... We, all, presently here on Earth, are witnessing seperatly-together experiancing the transitional mid point dissolution of Piscies becoming Aquarius, fudgey overlapping squidgyness indecypherability anxieties, where a certain, minor % is required to tip the scales in favour & ACCEPTENCE of the kNEW PARADIGM.
Hence, our squabbles over such things as, equality, & what, really, is a man, or a woman, & or the difference between being a child & or, an adult, servitude & sovereignty, where, what once was very clear, seems not so clear, at all ...
@@psyfiles7351... Yes-!!!
Joseph Cambell covered ALL of this in his XLNT Myth series of boox & stories. But, Bernardo has so instinctively intuitified, & so wonderFully cognitively reduced & condensed Analytical Idealism, The True A.I. that So Many Of Us have been hanging on & waiting for. This IS-OUR-Bridge Over Troubled Waters. WITH THIS APPROACH FULLY IMPLEMENTED, OUR PRESENT & ULTRA CRITICAL CATASTROPHIC PATHWAY TO EXTINCTION MAY BE AVERTED ...
I respect it so much of Bernardo! His willingness and passion to play the game according to the "mainstream" rules and fight with open visor to see who is better or stronger. I hope this mainstream will be playing and not flee or hide. Somehow I try to register for his team.
Many others have made deep and thoughtful comments on this conversation. What struck me most is the passion you both express for your ideas, speaking from your harts, not giving up to connect on topics where language just cannot do the job. Thanks for the inspiration and all the beautiful insights.
Thank you kindly.
"Passion" is not enough to validate an argument
Ok I'm
TIMESTAMPS (they aren't in clickable format in the description, so I adjusted them):
0:00:00 - On Bernardo’s commitment to truth and how materialism got underneath his skin
0:12:00 - I introduce myself and ask Bernardo to speak to what drives and alleviates mental anguish and neurosis
0:18:00 - a brief reference to Sigmund Freud and Friedrich Nietzsche
0:24:00 - I introduce my main concern regarding his work - a psychology without a psyche
0:32:00 - Bernardo sees the dangers of using language such as “there is no personal self”
0:38:00 - how does he square his view that the illusory nature of the personal self and Carl Jung’s emphasis on the importance of individuating, becoming one’s own person
0:45:00 - volition, freedom, autonomy - “The case of Jane”
0:48:00 - the slave and the master is within Jane
0:51:00 - Is the witness the Master?
0:55:00 - What nature wants through us = what we want in our hearts of hearts - natural self vs adaptive self
0:56:00 - needs for safety not necessarily related to subscribing to a narrative
1:00:00 - Bernardo’s thoughts of suicide, invaluable mentoring, and honoring what we want in our hearts of hearts (“what nature wants through you”)
1:05:00 - Affection for Bernardo. The issue of vantage point, surrender vs. will power
1:06:00 - A personal tragedy for Bernardo
1:08:00 - Finally a meeting of the minds, where our two ontologies appear to overlap, and the subject of impotence versus power
1:10:00 - A nod to Iain McGilchrist
1:11:00 - When the adaptive self (defense mechanisms) rules over the natural self, we are crippled and miserable
1:13:00 - volitional side of who we are needs to be acknowledged as real, not an empty process
1:15:00 - freedom of the slave concept - has impulse control but does not try to repress our true emotions and desires
1:16:00 - let’s not conceptualize the “ego” as apart from the experiencing Subject
1:17:00 - Even without narratives there is individuality.
1:22:00 - the possibility of personal memories and a form of ego consciousness surviving death
1:24:00 - Bernardo reiterates that he never meant to try to take the “psyche out of psychology.”
1:25:00 - All narratives or attempts to define what were are miss the mark
1:27:00 - living fully the best way to shed false narratives, an effort to fight them furthers neurosis
1:28:00 - the instinct-wise man in Brazil
1:35:00 - We both have a sense of being culturally homeless
1:37:00 - approaching sociology: tribalism, collectivist cultures, individualistic cultures, and the price of non-conformity
1:42:00 - More on Latin culture, my fiancé, and a mind-blowing nuance.
1:47:00 - A scrapper, and what makes a person reliable
1:52:00 - that which is seeing through my eyes, deliberating, and responding - one field of subjectivity taking different points of view through each of us
1:53:00 - What is the reference point that allows us to determine that life is bizarre? The question Bernardo has feared for many years
1:58:00 - my version of Bernardo’s experience
1:59:00 - Bernardo’s childhood “fall from Grace”
2:00:00 - The ontological implication of Bernardo’s experience: Perceptions and discernment without language-based concepts
2:07:00 - Idealism and Buddhism
2:12:00 - Having been confronted with the contradiction between a selfless view and the view of the changeless witness, Bernardo decides to speak about something he has only mentioned once before, something he says he cannot defend “on rational and empirical grounds.” Bernardo: “Nothing is going on.”
2:20:00 - My rebuttal and Bernardo’s sympathetic response to my rebuttal
2:28:00 - Bernardo speaks of “nothingness that is pregnant with everything”
2:31:00 - Bernardo says, “I can see it in your eyes that I failed to trick you.”
2:32:00 - How we conceptualize a spiritual experience matters and can be dangerous
2:34:00 - Giving Bernardo credit for being so experience-near
2:43:00 - Rage against the nerds
2:50:00 - Philosophizing that shuts us down versus philosophizing from the heart
3:06:00 - Politics and more sociology, shared distaste for post-modernism/post-structuralism
Thanks!
Thanks so so so much for doing this!
Almost all the times are off. 😒
This is hands down the best interview done with Bernardo Kastrup because the interviewer challenged him again and again and even explored his personal backstory. I was impressed by that and by the fact that Bernardo never lost consistency, never appeared to be mentally fabricating in order to fill or defend gaps he’d never thought of, and even explained important context for each of his responses. My confidence in Bernardo as a credible philosopher is 100 percent after watching this. He is fully aware of what he knows, why he knows it, what its purpose is, and within what environment it plays out. You rarely find such air tight logic. Even with most scientists or critical theorists, they are often blind to the unexamined assumptions their theories are shakily standing on. I’m just very impressed with Bernardo and the interviewer after this.
This is one of the best podcast featuring Bernardo
Amazing interview! I’ve seen all the other kastrup interviews and this was by far the best one hands down. The start was excellent I feel like some interviewers bulldoze through some of the concepts and ideas that Bernardo has so much more to speak on. Thank you!
Thank you, that’s a really kind compliment.
Always love listening to Bernardo but wow Johannes was super impressive. Great questions and contributions to this interview. Wonderful.
Thank you for the kind words.
Yes! Such a good interviewer! Just a dynamite duo. I almost never felt like I had hangups or doubts about Bernardos philosophy which Johannes didn't address. Also, he didn't give up. He kept pressing and circling with Bernardo until they were able to arrive at the fulcrum of the issue - or as near as they could, in the time they had.
@@SangvineScribe totally agree. Very impressed
I've been watching Bernardo a lot over the last year and am extremely grateful for the way he thinks and how he's able to share his ideas so clearly. It's helped me grow so much. This interview is amazing! It's a little different than most of the other interviews. Johannes is very thoughtful and makes for a great interviewer.
this is one of the best interviews i've heard for Bernardo! amazing pushback and questions, it's so nice to hear more about his past and childhood
this is one of the most insightful BK interviews i have seen. I appreciate your challenging of his ideas Johannes, especially from the perspective of a professional psychologist. It is a wonderful dialogue.
I watched this 2 years ago and just rewatched it. I do very much appreciate the wisdom and insight I personally gained from this video to help me to better understand Ego and my true self. Thank you for all the time and deep insights.
I think this is pretty much the best interview Bernardo has ever been a part of
I’ve just recently found Bernardo and his work! I am at the beginning stage of delving into it! I’m so excited to explore it further, because So Much of it resonates! I wanted to say thank you for asking for clarification on certain viewpoints, because I also wanted to know them! Your thoroughness and this interview was brilliant 💙
I am in much the same camp as yourself! BK has a way of framing (potentially) difficult scientific and philosophical concepts in a way that is both clear and concise. If you find that these ideas are making _a lot_ of sense to you, then I would also recommend that you take a look at some of Donald Hoffman's interviews. Like BK, he is an idealist, but he is first and foremost a scientist, rather than also being a philosopher. Take care and best of luck!
... &, the (*I*) THAT... I... am NOT, has experianced THAT mental space, or, void, OVER & OVER again, repetAtively, for 3 DAZE running, in-A-row, flowingly, GLOWINGLY, slowingly, thaughts, as like WORDS, ona page, on a screen, go from right to left, appear,&,flow&go away&come BACK, again, in-X-plic-ab-ALLY,
in-dis-cribe-able ...
@2:33:47 This happened to me 3 times in my life. I see it and it's overwhelming so the mind comes back in disbelief. Very strange experience. Brought me to tears. . It's almost as if the body-mind can't handle it.
The first logical question that comes after this experience is "What is THIS experience we're having"? Everything becomes unknown and somehow you're content with that. Some call it bliss. I call it peace.
Amazing discussion. For me, 4 deep insights to take away:
1. The question: Am I an "oceaning" ripple or the rippling ocean? Possible answer: I (a ripple) and my Father (the ocean) are one;
2. "No-thingness is pregnant with everything";
3. Any thought or statement about (the genious of) Bernardo would be "an invalid move in the chess game";
4. Pristine AMAZEMENT is ineffable - just like this interview.
Thank you Bernardo, thank you Johannes for 3+ hours of pure AMAZEMENT.
Bless you.
Nice.
Keep up your good work. We listeners are grateful for your thoughtful discussions. 🙏🏾🔥❤️. May you be well. May you be safe.
Johannes what a great interviewer you are. Hats off!
It is the third time i am listening to this high quality conversation IT makes me soo glad the tune of honesty ...the sounds of truth and wisdom .. philosophy,ontology and reality that I can be a part of .
50:54 Jane,,,Bill story stormy ocean
Again, much appreciation to Bernardo for this interview. Here are some reflections -- essentially what I tried to convey in my talk with Bernardo, but I don't think I was able to make my point this clearly:
The adaptive self consists of the strategies (largely avoidance strategies) we engage in to adapt to the challenges of our childhoods. By nature they involve denying or tuning out parts of ourselves (the natural self) that were not well received by our environments. The adaptive self is therefore about what helped us survive, which means what our caretaker(s) and communities considered to be “good,” and that which was considered “bad” is disavowed. This is the beginning of the “cleavage” in the psyche” that Carl Jung speaks about as the heart of neurosis. Being at war with ourselves. Healing this, as Jung aptly pointed out, means that we heal this rift, we do not further the rift by trying to avoid or shun any one part of who we are.
This is why I am troubled by language that pits “the ego” against “nature,” as if our executive functions, even our avoidance strategies (defense mechanisms) are somehow other than nature. This merely creates another polarity and furthers neurosis.
So how do we deal with self-deception and the crippling, misery inducing effects of maladaptive defenses? How do we find and stay true to our healthiest, most life-affirming motivations? To answer that, let’s review some basics:
The adaptive self (defenses) is the raft that gets us across the rocky waters of our childhoods. When we reach the shores of adulthood and pick up the raft and carry it with us on our shoulders, the adaptive self becomes an emotional straight-jacket. We become psychic cripples, cut off from our depths, from our natural selves. We react instead of respond, We run on auto-pilot much of the time, which cuts off our response-ability, the part of us that can respond and is therefore responsible for what we do (whether that part of us is obfuscated from lucid awareness or not). This is the essence of self-sabotage and self-defeat, to live like this.
If the heart of the crippled way of life involves shunning parts of who we are (polarities pitted against each other), one thing we can conclude with certainty is that more of the same will not help. Devaluing the “ego” does not help. Punishing ourselves by setting up impossible ideals of selflessness do not help.
There is indeed a war that needs to be waged, and won, if we are to enjoy a relative neurosis-free existence. But the war is not won by engaging the very instruments used to create the neurosis. Conceptualizing the “ego” as apart from nature, or our deeper self, ensnares us further not neurosis. Trying to do an end-run around this by seeing the self as unreal (an ontologically unsound position) is more of the same, since we cannot overcome our basic survival instincts and self-concern.
So how do we win the war? By not allowing our conflicting (polar) motivations to divide us. By integrating the good, the bad, and everything in between into a cohesive and full sense of who we are. This amounts to letting go of out-dated defense mechanisms that cuts us off from “our heart of hearts.” Because these defenses are often so deeply ingrained, this takes intense determination, will power, blood, sweat, and tears. If we are identified with the adaptive self, we could say that it’s about surrender.” If we are identified with the natural self that is trapped underneath the weight of the adaptive self, it’s more a matter of fighting, of willing, of committing to facing the truth without flinching - all our feelings, our rage, our sadism, our grief, our longings, and remorse, our pain, our love, and our tenderness.
There is both surrender, or allowing, and tremendous exertion of will power that goes into winning this war. Coming out the other side means we are not helpless victims, but in charge, guided by a deeply felt sense of what is truly best for us. Authoritarian ideals of selflessness torture us no more, though ironically speaking, we are freed up to be less self-concerned, less absorbed in worrying about our self-imagine.
When our psyche is divided, we are easily controlled and manipulated. When we are OK with all all that we are, no one can control or manipulate us.
No one writes better about these dynamics that Joel Kramer and Diana Alstaad (1993). I recommend their book: “Guru Papers: Masks of Authoritarian Power.”
beautiful!! Thank you!!
Well said. I think Bernardo would agree, based on this conversation and on what I’ve read of him, but he would also say something like: the ego is a way that Nature expresses itself or, to use a water metaphor that he likes (also common in Advaita Vedanta circles), a wave (ego or finite self) is real but only because the ocean (Cosmic Consciousness or Infinite Self) is real and it takes that form for a while.
In practice, this ontological view may or may not be particularly helpful in all situations. I personally find that it has re-enchanted a world that, for most of my adult life, I believed was fundamentally meaningless.
That’s not to suggest that idealism is a panacea. Life is still a struggle - in part because capitalism is much more pernicious than Bernardo seems to think, especially in its stronger American form. But I do feel more at home in the world, thanks to Bernardo’s work.
@@jmalfatto7004 Thank you for contributing with your thoughtful, poignant observations.
@@elizabethkieding1663 So glad you liked it.
Excellent dialogue.
As I see the guru/philosophy of self-development field these days - Many are addicted to seek supplication to the non-responsive narcissistic other - if they have some sack cloth and ashes for us to wear - all the better. Thus all these narcissistic “gurus” come along with some magic thought tricks, peak experience and bogus epistemology and seduce thousands. Any aggrandising delusion that absolves responsibility to really listen to ourselves and the real people around us. Any school of adaptive thought or liberation models- are prone to breed delusion - far more than the actual milleu of persons and rich intersubjectivity around us...if we have the courage to speak up and listen.
Alan Watts brought me to Bernardo Kastrup and I can hear and feel his wise words, the eternal now,
in most of what was discussed above. Adding Carl Jung to the discourse takes it all to another level!
I am Ukrainian. Thank you so much for your support and wise words on war and world situation in general (on your website). I am not sure, if I support organized religions, probably not. But your theory, your wisdom and logic is truly enlightening. Finally, idealism without outrageous clams, indigestible dogmas, unpardonable gods and primitivism. And finally a philosopher who is such a charismatic, even sexy :) person! Thank you, Bernardo!
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Great interviewer! This is the first interview to Bernardo I watch where he’s asked about his ties with Brasil
We are individual manifestations of the same consciousness - like an artist creates a painting. Like a mother and her child. A God and its Progeny. "I formed you before you were in your mothers womb."
Thank you, gentlemen, for this wonderful discussion.
Great conversation! The more I watch BK's interviews, the more I respect him not only as a philosopher but as a man!
I love this guy he needs a bigger audience. Bernardo needs to speak with Hemeroff and Penrose on consciousness. Harris and Dawkins won’t debate him people say it’s because he’s a small fish but I believe it’s because he is far more intellectual and would hang them out to dry!!!
Sam "the Sham" Harris is a cowardly bottom feeder. He refused to debate Stefan Molyneux, and he knows that Bernardo would make a monkey of him.
Really great stuff. So impressed with Kastrup, such precise and clear thought, such important ideas, and such a darn good guy. I’d one day like to hear him speak further on living with acute tinnitus.
Beautiful question/s Johannes. The bit about the daemon and the danger of neglecting the apparent "anti-daemon" is so seminal. Indeed, each voice in the chorus has merit and deserves acknowledgement.
Excellent interview. The questions were great, they brought out the brilliant and nuanced thinking Bernardo has in abundance. Regarding "There is nothing going on," I see it differently. If the Absolute is the unchanging ground of being, then whatever happens in the trans-personal mind is like a dream. The Absolute remains what it is and always will be, so, "Nothing ever happens."
I am willing to admit that I may not be intelligent enough to grasp Bernardo's explanation. But my understanding satisfies me and until I understand differently, I'm a happy camper.
Nothing something and everything are actually all equivalent ways of expressing the same janus faced reality. Something is going on is the individual meta consciousness coming into realization of its selfhood that’s different from outer reality. Everything is going on, is the other equally valid realization that in order to differentiate there must be an equal background of similarity of total homogenous oneness of which we are instantiations. And nothing, goes on because everything is nothing from the point of view of outside of it, or rather nothing doesn’t exist but rather pure potential, and that true potential is the closest thing to nothing because it is unconstrained and cant be cognized directly, but yet everything partakes and depends on it.
I think you probably have the correct intuition here, I'm just not completely sure what it is that you think. But, given the way that BK runs forward, and then retreats again, on the subject I can hardly blame you for being unsure either! Best of luck, from another uneducated philosophical dabbler, cheers!
@@hansfrankfurter2903 well, maybe. But how can you say that the "one thing" has individually differentiated perspectives? This appears to be the issue that BK was skirting. On the one hand, given that motion, matter, time and space are clearly impossible, neither can there be any individual selves existing in the world. Duh! Yet to recognise this fact would seemingly require individual selves engaging in some form of critical introspection. This, how can "one thing" ever see "one thing?"
@@simesaid I think the question isn’t “how”, but rather if this is actually going on.
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This is my favorite Kastrup interview, and I have watched a lot because he is really intelligent; and it's my favorite because you have gently pressed him on the way his analytic idealistic philosophy can be misconstrued. And in the Jungian spirit, this really helped round out his philosophical points with the subtleties necessary to show in essence his philosophy in heart and spirit, without killing the mystery still inside the core of the matter. Because of your interview, the lingering questions I had about Bernardo's perspective, were carefully addressed in a really beautiful way.
Kastrup is so important for check-mating the game as it is, I only wonder now how we can begin to talk about the archetypes of personal experience, to begin to open the mystery within, so that the world as a whole is enlivened with a Hillman soul... and can that be done in harmony with our rational appreciation?
Nice distinction between form and function. Also great reminder of Banduras' contribution of " Real" as
including the " Covert". Wonderful example of a great exchange between two different but compassionate WILLS. Two committed, studied, and embodied
souls Joyfully in a created Ensemble. How rare and generous.
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An astonishing interview; thank you two so very much!
Wow. What a wonderful conversation between 2 genuinely engaged people doing their human best to make sense of their experience. Genuine gratitude.
... just a little bit more & we can fall over the line into a brand kNEWit paradigmaticAlly view-abilitease ... 😂
Absolutely powerful and empowering. So in awe. SO happy you're around, my darling Bernardo!!
A word that's used a lot is Source, Everything, what we can experience but never comprehend fully. We can get ever closer to pure Consciosness, but we can never become it.
Bernardo is a philosopher and I think his arguements, models, and metaphors for analytical idealism are wonderful. But I find that the further he steps into talking about psychology, the less useful his metaphors and arguements become. He'd certainly agree. His work isn't very well suited for the languaging that is most often needed in the therapy room.
However, his comments in this video about individuation were outstanding.
I feel the unresolved crestive tension in this discussion. The therapist is needing to insist on a kind of distinction that Bernardo isn't really making. They ultimately fit together, but Bernardo's metaphors are not pointing at the kind of experiencing that therapist wants to affirm. As a therapist myself I see the challenge :)
@@rooruffneck... Yes, there is unnresolved tension. Like surface tension on water is a foundation for small, very light creatures use to gain a holding purchase. Is there, then, really a need for resolution-? What would they have to riff & flow with-? Cheers, from OZ ...
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Inexorably!
The best interview with BK that I've come across.
Thanks so much to both of you. I feel lucky to have watched this video all the way through.
Thank you so much. So glad it was worth your time.
Great questions, and helpful pushback! I know where you're coming from re: the concept of "Emptiness." I would like to learn the Pali word, and understand more about its colloquial uses outside of the suttas. One reason I shifted West in my philosophy / religiospirituality was because I'm simply more inclined to learn extensive etymologies of Greek words, as I'm a native English speaker. If I was really going to get as deep into a Buddhist tradition (I practiced both Zen [in Thich Nhat Hanh's more poetic, west-friendly adaptation] and Vajaryana), I would've wanted to learn as much Pali Sanskrit as I could, which posed additional logistical concerns. Really thankful for this talk. Mr. Kieding, I signed up for your channel and notifications. Good stuff.
Thanks for these thoughtful comments. Most of my channel is for psychotherapists trying to improve their craft, but perhaps some of it will still interest you.
@@LearningForPsychotherapists Absolutely! I see a therapist almost weekly, and am very interested in the logistics of what his challenges are to understand my own participation. I've also been watching a series here on RUclips which you may find interesting: Gregg Henriques, John Vervaeke and Garri Hovhannisyan, called "Psyche-pathology and Well Being." They possess your same passion for getting at the right ontological structure for working with the human system toward healing.
This is my first encounter with Bernado’s approach. A brilliant discussion full of gold nuggets. I had goose bumps most of the time. Their discussion on Buddhism is spot on. Haven’t watched other Bernado videos and I wonder whether there is anything else after watching this ….I think credit goes to Johannes for excellent questioning and his own desire to understand life.
Aloha and Mahalo, Johannes. Great discussion! Aliman
This was an absolute pleasure to listen to. Thank you Johannes for your thoughtful responses and subtlety drawing out such clarity from Bernardo's concepts.
I would love to see an interview with someone of the same mental caliber as Bernardo. It feels like Bernardo is about 6 standard deviations in intellect above from all interviewers and that’s why it s hard to “get” Bernardo and hard to know how to question him fully and really follow his logic. In this regard, the interviews are awesome but feel lacking.
Ther should be an interview with Dr. Alan Wallace, would be a great match!
@@babetteadrian thanks. I looked him up and have enjoyed watching his lectures. Thanks for the info.
@@amylee9 Check out his debates as well. When he was still a monk, before his academic education, he attended the rough Debating school of Tibetan Buddhism for years and he's hard to beat. They have a very evolved system of logic. Also, he's been fighting hard for many years against scientific materialism / physicalism just like Bernardo. I enjoy the different hats he can wear as academic and intellectual and Buddhist. As a lama he specialises in Dzogchen and Mahamudra for many years and achieves incredible clarity in relating the philosophical and practical content, stripped of cultural and ritualistic burdens as far as possible (which is in the nature of Dzogchen and Mahamudra anyway and one doesn't have to be a Buddhist to practise them). Having become familiar with this, it is uncanny how congruent and frequently identical they are with Bernardo's philosophy. I can only hope that they know each other already or will meet one day. The major difference between them is that Alan Wallace also follows the practice of Meditation as practical application of the philosophy.
@@babetteadrian This is right up my alley. It's puzzling how I never came across his videos before since this is what I enjoy learning about. I also hope to see these two in a dialogue. If you have any other suggestions, please send them my way. Thanks!
Absolutely brilliant insights. I have
lived many of these lessons. It's great to see my life viewed through the lense of this wonderful conversation. God Bless!
As a Brazilian I can avow to what BK is saying about tribalism and about the experience of suffering from the pressures to be part of the group. Unlike him, I managed to use this atypical temperament of mine to become a psychologist and guide many to the path of individuation. It truly feels like having the best of both worlds, since Brazil can be an unparalleled pleasant place to live.
44:00 beautiful explanation
Great interviewer and Bernardo you make my heart sing too
Just to add my 2 cents to the Buddhism conversation - you guys are right that there is a huge amount of canon; however, it is all built upon the foundation of the Pali canon (which is admittedly also vast compared to, say, the biblical canon), and the Buddha of the Pali canon did not expound the doctrine of "no-self" that one often connects with Buddhism. He taught that it was useful to perceive all phenomena as "not self". Essentially, you do not settle on self definitions, whether they be positive or negative; which is in line with what you said in an earlier part of the conversation.
Of course, this is only one of many ways of interpreting Buddhist doctrine, but I find it to be the most internally consistent interpretation of "anatta" teachings.
Brilliant session! Thank you both - Bernardo and Johannes
fantastic interview, really teased out some subtleties most interviewers don't touch, great work.
This is amazing and inspiring . I discovered Bernardo through following Rupert Spira and I am enthralled . This video has offered a wonderful view of Bernardo and explains my attraction to his work and ideas. Truth now has a chance! Thank you.
Thanks to both of you guys!! Very inspiring!! Watching it again as their is so much wisdom in the discussion. Blessings to both of you
Wow. Love this conversation. Thanks for creating and sharing. Much Love
Thank you for posting this discussion.
Bernardo's story (153.00) about his instinct as a baby for the sheer weirdness of the world is charming. The fact that he feels compelled to apologise for this memory is sad for him and disturbing for the broader culture.
I know with resolute certainty that his story is 100% true and his memory of it is accurate in all senses that could conceivably matter.
What does “weird “mean to Bernardo
I apply what you said about perspective to where it's best for me to live. I live in Cali, Colombia where the climate is warm tropical, no extreme heat like in India where I've lived or extreme cold like in Norway where I'm from. No place is perfect, but at least from the weather perspective Cali is perfect for me.
2:47:00 Bernardo completly nailed it. There is a generation with sci background that doesnt recon themselfs on the left brain logic game. Infering conscious from meterialism just doesnt make sense anymore. Bernardo is representing all of us in this.
I have heard that Bernardo is the most impactful philosopher of our time. I think it’s actually true. You must listen to the final 20 min to really get it.
Great interview...I think I first caught a glimpse of Bernardo while looking up things on consciousness ...and I have been watching everything I can that he has been putting out ever since.
Thanks you very much Johannes & Bernardo for the wonderful insights. A lot of love from Bridgetown in Western Australia.
Bernardo Thanks for your time and touching so many things and some personal things of your early life with connected to nature man of wisdom.
clarifying about philosophy the way it was done from 2500 years and the way analytic philosophy is done from last 100 yrs and gone into abstraction and lost touch with Mind at Large and Self.
I love your passion the way you described Nietzsche and Soren Kierkegaard, Spinoza, Plato, Parmenides.
I completely share your feelings about way of life of people who live close to nature, In Calmness and connectedness with environment, because I moved to a small town in WA from 3 years and it has changed my perspective a lot.
Thanks to Jaron Lanier for stressing the dangers of too much social media on the mind because of which I am able to devote more time to deep thinking of you fine people.
Bernardo, I ve got all your books and I am reading Schopenhauer at present, but after todays talk starting More than Allegory as well.
Heartiest Best Wishes for Essentia and love from heart of hearts.
In relation to the "nothing is going on" and ineffable transcendental experience can't be described with words, quoting C. G. Jung
(excerpt from a letter by Jung to John Trinick) :
"To deal with the coniunctio in human words is a disconcerting task, since you are forced to express and formulate a process taking place “in Mercurio” and not on the level of human thought and human language, i.e., not within the sphere of discriminating consciousness.
On this side of the epistemological barrier we have to separate the opposites in order to produce comprehensible speech.
You have to state that a is not b, that above is not below, that the perfume of the Spiritus Sanctus is not the malus odor sepulchrorum sive inferni and that the nuptiae spirituales are not the carnal union of bodies.
Yet in the archetypal unimaginable event that forms the basis of Conscious apperception, a is b, stench is perfume, sex is amor Dei, as inevitably as the conclusion that God is the complexio oppositorum.
The alchemists were more or less aware of this shocking state of affairs, although rarely explicitly so.
Usually, whether consciously or not, they tried not to commit themselves, yet they also did not avoid symbolic allusions or pictures of an alluring kind.
They expressed f.i. shock at the idea of incest, yet they could not refrain from using the term, just as little as undoubtedly Christian poets did, f.i. Chretien de Troyes: “Dieu qui fit de Sa fille Sa mere.”
The fact is that the figures behind the epistemological curtain, i.e., the archetypes, are “impossible” unions of opposites, transcendental beings which can only be apperceived by contrasts.
Good can only be understood by “not bad,” “day” by “not night,” etc.
Alchemy tries to express the Good, the Splendid, the Light, the Gold, the Incorruptibile et Aeternum by the materia vilis and is therefore forced to speak of Death, Putredo, Incineratio, Nigredo, Venenum, Draco, Malus Odor, P estilentia, Leprositas, etc.
Since the coniunctio is an essentially transcendental, i.e., archetypal process and since our mental attitude is still essentially Christian we emphasize the Spirit, the Good, the Light, the Above, the spiritualized, i.e., subtle body, purity, chastity, etc. and separate all that from the contrary, which we have to mention nevertheless, even by explicitly denying, disregarding and condemning it.
It will be there, because it belongs inevitably to the transcendental, archetypal reality.
Good cannot exist without Evil, nor luminositas sine nigredine Mysteria revelata vilescunt.
In trying to reveal that which no mortal being is able to conceive, we distort and say the wrong things. Instead of creating light, we conceal in darkness, instead of lifting up, we expose the treasure to ridicule and contempt.
Instead of opening a way, we barricade it by an inextricable snarl of paradoxes.
“In Mercurio” spirit and matter are one.
This is a mystery nobody is ever going to solve.
It is real, but we are unable to express its reality.
An alchemist very wisely said: Artifex non est magister Lapidi sed potius efus minister.
When the artifex speaks, he will always say the wrong things, or at least things that are also wrong.
It is neti-neti in other words: beyond our grasp, although it is a definite experience.
It is said of the Stone: habet mille nomina, which means that there is not one name expressing the Mystery.
Your attempts to formulate it are not vain or futile; on the contrary, our labours are witnesses to the living Mystery, honest attempts to find words for the Ineffable.
The “way” is not an upward-going straight line, f.i. from earth to heaven or from matter to spirit, but rather a circumabulatio of and an approximation to the Centrum.
We are not liberated by leaving something behind but only by fulfilling our task as mixta composita i.e., human beings between the opposites."
C.G. Jung ~Carl Gustav Jung, Letters Vol. II, Pages 392-396.
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Brilliant
Captivated. ! Great convo !
always a privilege and honor to participate in the mind and heart of this wise one
Guys bless you both, Johannes my first encounter with you, which came directly after watching Bernardo being interviewed by a very sweet lady called Jane, but was in my opinion a mind numbing waist of Bernardo's time, aside from revealing what a sweet kind and patient guy Bernardo is, no judgement of Jane though because I'm some kind of freak of nature who at 56 is just discovering that I may well be Asperger's, but anyway, what a marvelous conversation on both your parts an cements my thoughts that Bernardo is one of the very great minds and beings of our time, you guys should both check out Gary Stevenson and a new love of mine grand master Wolf, Johannes if I could afford a therapist I'd choose you, totally with the idea of basic income for all and I mean all, being a way to free humanity to allow nature and our innate creativity to flow, must check out Bernardo foundation, but education has to tackled, not just for kids either, I'm a cross breed Celt so education is supposed to be a life long endeavour. So bless you both that hit the spot, oh one thought crossed my mind was we haven't tried anarchy properly, I'm currently in Catalunya Spain and they apparently did briefly along with somewhere else I can't remember, just had to delete my thoughts on Catalunya but help me god,.. lol though it's not funny at all.
Fabulous guys... Many many thanks...!!!
One of the best conversations about reality.....
Good one ! & it was fun watching BK get so excited about philosophy.
Wonderfull conversation, we are drive by transpersonal forces without true personal self in command.
Salut from Porto/ Portugal.
We will have to agree to disagree about the personal self notion.
Wonderful conversation, thank you
Glad you liked it.
What an amazing interview.Thank you
Also a conversation between you and Neil Theise The Complexity Theory ❤ Which in my understanding is describing how nature works in a way that believe aligns with your philosophy in a beautiful way.
2:09:00 I do believe the interviewer is misrepresenting Buddhism but he is not making that interpretation up. Most Buddhists treat the nonself teaching as a position, which it is not. It is a perceptual tool aimed at dis-identifying with all that we are not. Bernardo’s interpretation after was pretty awesome too
around 2:01:00 I also think its funny how if you just look down at the floor, that isn't really any different to looking from the top of a tall skyscraper. The only difference is that one drop would kill you, and the other wouldn't. But they are both as detailed, if you look at the floor, there is a whole world inside your carpet, not that much less detailed than city streets. And when you look down a long street, or out to sea, its the same as a huge drop, but its just that gravity is pulling you into the earth, so you never think of it as a huge drop... but the funny thing is that it looks exactly the same as if it were. Its funny because some people are terrified at the sight of a huge drop, but visually they are all around us all the time.
What a “marriage”! These two are ... very efficient, to say the very least
Good job Johannes, hope u two can speak again
@ ~2:20:00 What about using the word "Presence" (Awareness) instead of "Present" (Now). It seems that "Presence" doesn't seem to have the time baggage that the word "Present" does.
We pick apart nature with our experiences and try to recombine it with concepts to gain an individual and enhanced picture of reality. This is a spiritual process happening in the material world.
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I loved your way of interviewing and conversing and thought you put so many interesting questions forward in such an empathic and wise way. Thank you so much for making and sharing this!
That invalite move is also extremely importent❤
This conversation is awesome! It is very complete and touches many topics where I wanted to know Bernardo´s opinion, like psychology and politics. I especially likes his views about taxes (to live in a compassionate society) and basic income as a way for people to express their creativity (accepting the fact that they will live a frugal life).
I also likes how Johannes doesn't stop till he is satisfied with the anwers.
Thanks!!
One of the best interviews with bernardo that i have heard. Thank you ❤️
I was thinking of his theory of disassociation, and I think, that many people experience our minds disassociate daily, by not wanting to be in an experience that we are having. It's as if the will, the will creates a split between the innumerable psychic spirits in the numinous Psyche at Large. And a self-will complex forms a multi-varied experiential field of conscious realization. An excitation of these ontologically psychic processes string together in a memory relation that has become a memory-descriptive experiential story of our lives being driven by the very beingness of cosmic self.
For what it is worth I humbly say that in a short sentence Bernardo summed up the Heart of Buddhist teaching . No self means no ego self but Nirvana reflects undifferentiated Consciousness. The teachings of Buddha reflect qualities of Wisdom , Peace, Compassion etc - all of which reflect a ' positive ' state rather than a void ✌️.
Wordsworth shared Bernado's childhood experiences and expressed this in his Ode to Immortality as have many others in history. His concept-percept view coincides very clearly with Rudolf Steiner's description of how thinking relates to reality.
Great stuff! Thanks so much Bernardo and Johannes!!
Wonderful interview. Maybe the words nothing and void should be replaced by unmanifested as Eckhart Tolle said in his book The Power of Now
That would get my vote. Beyond the binary of something and nothing, there is...
I love this interview. Thank you so much🌹🙏