Overuse of Zia symbol sparks debate, ideas for state law
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- Опубликовано: 19 июн 2018
- Whether it's on a shirt, a bumper sticker, even a tattoo, the Zia symbol is easy to find all over New Mexico. Story on KRQE.com: www.krqe.com/news/albuquerque-...
I'm from New Mexico but I wear airzona colors because my state doesn't like me wearing my state symbol
Hey I brewed a nice beer in NM but I like the candian maple leaf so I put that leaf on it 😂😂😑😑
I'm a born and raised New Mexican... This shouldn't be a contaversy. We have bigger problems in New Mexico than the overuse of our symbol that politicians should be worried about. The unethical treatment of the native Americans and their reservations, the gang problems, the drug and alcohol problems, the violence and domestic abuse problems.... I believe we should focus our attention on these above mentioned issues before we even think about putting our focus and attention on this
Tong Po that issue should have been raised when the flag was created then. It's too late now... Plus I'd rather see our politicians in New Mexico fight to keep our wildlife and native reservations saved from all the environmental and rights issues the state is taking away piece by piece ever since Susana Martinez came in a screwed us all
Tong Po like I said there's more important issues than a symbol use. especially that being native American they are shot and killed more by cops than any other race in New Mexico. That they are losing more of their lands to special interest not only in Farmington and Albuquerque sante Fe Taos and Ruidoso but all over the USA and Canada including Dakota's and places in Oklahoma... Treaties violated.. health Care denials... It's not right to not put the symbol on the agenda when we have all this to fix first.
Also forgot to mention the funding cuts of Bureau of Indian Affairs in New Mexico
I'm in New Mexico your gonna have to follow the shitty cracked lines in the road because the Zia symbol hot taken down
Don't these people have any real problems? Get real.
Zilliz 000 as a New Mexican resident I 100% agree that we need to tackle bigger issues before we even think this is an issue.
Good luck getting ANY of this proposed legislation past federal courts! I'll b warming up my pop corn in the meantime.
Ya might as well. They should liscense it and pueblos can profit off its use. Home owner associations control the use of the American flag, so why not this? It could be like the Nike symbol or the Adidas. Why not make this "sacred" symbol a highly commercial profit generating icon? Nothing reeks sacred like profit, and control off or and of others. What other symbols, or words can we put controls on? I mean, who needs freedom of speach?
Stop with this. I understand cultural appropriation and how it can be detrimental. How about Kokopeli? How about paintings of Mt Taylor the sacred mountain? Paintings of Sky City or Shiprock? People from all over the world make money from our local historic cultures. I flew the NM state flag over my house on Ft Lewis Washington and I am not a member of that tribe. Their nation is recognized all over the world because of that symbol. I know because I flew it.
How about Kachina dolls being made and sold by everyone but Natives? Those little ornaments shaped like pots with a pueblos cut out of them at truck stops? Head dresses and bows and arrows at gift shops?
It was a mistake then to have made it your state flag. Everyone knows that state flags get put on all sorts of things. Just look at the Lone Star of Texas.
I was refering to the state of New Mexico and it's people in general. The Zia are a people in New Mexico correct? The flag of New Mexico consists of a red sun symbol of the Zia on a field of yellow, and was officially introduced in 1925. It was designed in 1920, to highlight the state's Native American Pueblo and Nuevo México Hispano roots. So it was choosen to highlight New Mexico's multi-culturalism back in 1925 after 5 years of debate. Of course as a symbol of the state now, it would be used by others who are people of that state or would like to associate with people of that state. But now, almost 100 years later, it is a problem for some of the people. Fine, it was the symbol of the Zia first. Let them take it back. They were the vanguard/ flagship people of New Mexico as shown by the state flag, now let New Mexico one of their other peoples, say the Apache, to showcase and promote if the Apache want. The Zia can take back their symbol and probably fade from he minds of everyone else. But one warning, the Ancient Egyptians thought being forgotten was the worst thing that can happen to anyone.
Tong Po. You have asked them? Are any of them that were there at the time alive now to ask? Has it been recorded in any history that they opposed it then? The earliest reference that even some of the Zia people, not all, are against it being used by non-Zia is from the 1990's, about 70 years after the fact.
But let's say for the sake of argument that the Zia, all of them, are against this use of their symbol and have been from the begining. The grounds of which are cultural appropriation. Fine, then the Zia have to give up their name as Zia is what the Spanish called them. I have looked, but cannot find what their name was before the Spanish met them. The Spanish mearly made the name of the Zia's largest pueblo, Tsiya, easier to pronounce for the Spanish. However, Tsiya is not their name, just the name of one of their cities.
But why stop there. We could let tribalism run it's course and make Nike change their name (Nike being "Victory" in ancient Greek culture and associated with the Goddess Athena making it sacred). We could make the Minnesota Vikings give up their name (even though we have evidence that Vikings did live in the Americas and some made it to what is now Minnesota, hell we have Viking boundary markers in Oklahoma).
My point is that the symbol was chosen to be inclusive of the peoples of the state. That is not something that should be thrown out because a small group doesn't like it later. I remember back when their was a big push for the Washington Redskins to change their name because some people (white, non-Native Americans for the vast majority) did not like it anymore. A reporter interviewed several Native Americans getting off buses (yes buses of them) to watch the game. None of them had a problem with the team name, but one older Native American said, "I wish all these white people would stop telling me what I am supposed to be angry about."
You can either have multi-culturalism all the way meaning that cultures that live with each other blend with each other (like they have for thousands of years) or you can try making everyone happy (that has never worked before). Good Luck.
Tong Po. Then why was it all over their pottery and other artifacts? From what I have seen it was used by every one.
Tong Po. I have read that the symbol has the same meaning to the Zia as the Cross does to Christians, the Star of David does to Jews, etc. Yet these other symbols can be used by anyone and marketed for profit by anyone. So what makes this group more special than these others?
Tong Po. So you can't answer my question. Instead you deflect. I have to admit you almost had me, but that last question stumped you. My point is when you bring different cultures together, things from those cultures must be shared to create a new culture. If you don't, all you will have are different groups rubbing each other the wrong way and getting angry about it. Does this sound familiar to you?
That's so stupid they have nothing better to do really lol we can use it all we want born and raised 😎