Being extremely anti-monarchy is actually very difficult right now. There is a lot of space for mourning, but not a lot of space for the empathy of the victims of atrocities associated with the monarchy.
She also did raise billions of pounds for charity. People always forget that part. How many lives did her philanthropy save? I know it doesn’t cancel out the atrocities as you say, anything but it does mean something.
@@nameisamine Charity is no substitute for taxing the rich. Let alone owning the means of production so the rich can't make people poor in the first place.
As I posted yesterday, there seems to be very little mention of the recent revelations that the Queen often interfered covertly in the framing of government policy to protect her own massive financial interests. For all its failings, The Guardian does provide some useful information at times. I'd like to mention at this point that if King Charles should at any point find the "duty and sacrifice" that are required of him too onerous (and the BBC make the "burden" of reigning sound almost beyond human endurance), I'd be perfectly happy to do a 50-50 jobshare, though I'd be expecting a pro-rata payment from the Sovereign Grant of £83.6 million per annum and corresponding payments from the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall.
@@billygoat9006 the sycophants and servants are the biggest expense. Uneducated and birth right, unelected Head of State has no place in a functioning and meritoric society.
@@criticsatlarge0073 I understand the principle. However, an influential figure who engaged mostly with charities and sporting events isn't really a problem, even at £80 million. Turn your attention to the billionaire corporate types and corrupt politicians if you want to see the real issues. She is supposed to be an example of service and duty to those scumbags.
I grew up in Leicester and lived in London most of my life, and I've seen some British people live in unimaginable poverty (homelessness, food insecurity and such). Queen Elizabeth II is someone who was exceptionally wealthy and powerful. With a snap of her finger, she could have helped those people in need. However, her and her family lived a life of luxury while her own people starved. Is this the queen we supposed to mourn?
No apparently "god" thinks she more important for some reason. Nevermind all of the atrocities that have been committed under the crown and the fact she never apologised for all those done and ongoing to this day due to their actions - never an apology.
As someone who believes in justice and equality I'm a staunch anti-royalist. I feel extremely uncomfortable right now at the pressure to succumb to cloying sentimentality and nostalgia. My mother died a few weeks ago aged 93 and I was blessed to be able to be by her side for a few days, holding her hand. That was a blessing denied to so many during the pandemic. I don't expect Mrs. Windsor had to wait in a queue to get an appointment with her doctor, and I don't expect her family will struggle to pay for her funeral costs - they have taxpayers for that! I struggled through the nonsense that was the Jubilee this summer; now we will have weeks of sycophantic fawning about how 'our Queen' was a wonderful person. And I've just realised that we still have the disgusting spectacle of an expensive coronation at a time of public anxiety over the cost of living to look forward. I wonder how the establishment will spin that one. 🤨
Greetings Jacqui n my sincerest sympathy on your mother's passing. I believe your comment very probably articulated the thoughts n feelings of many people in the UK and from around the world. These ruling aristocrats have literally looted every country around the planet n brought poverty n hunger to so many. They have all but wiped away the middle-class n re-established "The haves n the have nots". God save us all - for the Queen no longer needs saving !
@Butt Face "As regard the taxpayer being screwed over. I'm not seeing it." Of course, you're not seeing it - that's the point of offshore tax havens. Or perhaps you missed the Pandora Papers... "By the way, her net worth is about £420 million. That's just around £6 if split fairly amongst the British population." And it's about 5p if you shared it out among the entire population of the Earth, but what has either of these calculations got to do with anything?!
Hi Jacqui, i subscribe every single word you wrote. My father died aged 91 this january after spending his last 40 years severely disabled as afterrmath of a surgery to remove a brain cancer. He died alone in a geriatric public hospital where we was moved from home upon a kidney disfunction, because in italy (we are italians and we live in this fake democracy nation) due to the hateful covid restrictions,no family member was allowed to enter into hospital, no matter if vaccinated or not.myself and my brother (the only relatives he had) could therefore not even stay with him while he was passing away. That said, i respect the death of anybody but i do not find fair that the dignity of death is based on one's supposed importance and richness. My father was a working class hero before his cancer but, though lacking education, he was very clever and with huge personality and fought his poor health condition with strenght and courage. So to my eyes, his common citizen life was as important as the life of any person with power
I read the Guardian. It extensively covered the scandals of the Queen's offshore investments and interference in government policy but now it's wall to wall fawning, obsequious coverage. It's vomit-inducing.
@@eightiesmusic1984 Not even “moderate social democracy”, but rather centre-right social liberalism, which is, sadly, what many so-called social democratic parties have turned (in)to and likely the key factor behind what’s known as “pasokification”.
@@eightiesmusic1984 The Guardian had no obligation to Corbyn, and it amazes me that people who claim ability at critical thinking are so uncomfortable with any scrutiny of their personality cults.
@@zippymufo9765 The Guardian has the obligation to Corbyn that it has to any other politician: to treat him fairly and honestly. They didn't do that. To be clear, that doesn't prevent being critical, even very harshly, but it does mean not lying or being intentionally misleading.
I’d like to congratulate Ash and Michael for this sober, brave and objective analysis of the monarchy, while every other media channel has reverted to “national crisis” mode, Novara once again remind us of the importance of independent media and standing outside of the press pack, this commentary was the most refreshing I saw yesterday, respectful yet rounded, and ultimately very courageous. Thank you both for your excellent work ❤️
@@ultimateblaze23 it doesn't strike me as particularly humane to celebrate anyone's death. I'm not a monarchist, I don't see the point of a monarchy, but it is a significant historical event.
@@briandelaney9710 It was brave to swim against the tide of the current coverage, and I thought they did it respectfully, although subsequent broadcasts have gotten more critical, nothing wrong with that of course. I think they oppose Monarchy, many people do in the UK, it's not in itself an illegitimate view. But, for what it's worth, I agree with you, the Monarchy is safe in Britain, for now at least.
As a non-Brit, I find this whole mourning thing extra weird because there's plenty for Brits to be proud of, and yet there's this strange implication people should feel affected by this. The vapid speeches about the queen's "reign" and her "great achievements" in building modern Britain despite the fact she's not supposed to actually reign and is more of a ceremonial tourist attraction. The insistent pushing of the idea that she provided stability to the nation despite the fact the UK has in no way been sheltered from global and domestic volatility throughout the last few decades. The hostility towards people who dare bring up the extremely unsavoury acts she/the monarchy had enabled because "now is not the time" or "respect the dead". She and her family are lobbyists for their own interests. I can recognise she meant a lot to other people for reasons that make little rational sense to me personally, but it doesn't stop it feeling odd, antiquated and whitewashed. My first thought after receiving the news was how many awful policies would be rushed through that will make countless people's lives worse while the media are preoccupied with this emotional nonsense instead of fulfilling their duty of holding the government to account. It's hard not to be cynical about this stuff if you bother to look around you.
I'm an American and unfamiliar with how this whole monarchy thing works. So does Egypt get to steal the queens casket now and put it on display or is that only a one way street?
As an American………..you have made one of the best…..if not THE BEST comment I’ve ever seen anywhere….ever! What a great point! I’m screen-shotting that and sharing it far and wide! 😅
I'm a die hard republican. I absolutely oppose the postition of King/Queen. Having said that I do respect Elizabeth herself, although not her position. But again having said that I don't feel particularly sad, I'm not happy just not sad. It's as if a celebrity has died that I never paid too much attention to. My heart goes out to her friends and family just as it does to anyone who has died.
Same here. I also think it’s worth pointing out that the sort of gleeful reaction to this expressed by some is extremely unhelpful to the republican cause, because it just gives them emotional ammunition to push back against a serious conversation about it. We do have to accept and come to terms with the fact that, whilst we do not feel the same, there are many, many folks who feel genuinely bereaved and upset about this, and responding in a certain way will damage the republican cause by hardening people against the idea, because what they will remember is that, in their grief, they were mocked and the object of their grief was vilified. Basically, it’s a rhetorical and political own goal. It’s like this: Yes, I am well aware of all the terrible stuff involved in the monarchy and the end of the empire; I’m just saying that now isn’t the time. Let the grieving process end and let people get back on track. They’ll remember your kindness and support despite your differing beliefs. But they will also remember your (as they see it) spite and hatred. Hope that makes sense. I’m just worried that we will have to go through another go-round of not having a proper discussion about it because of the hangover caused by perceived hostility at this crucial point in time for the debate. “We don’t need to talk about this with you; you lot made yourself clear when the last monarch died” is going to be difficult to circumvent with logic because it appeals to emotion and ‘tradition’ and the idea that all republicans are like that.
She helped fund the pay off for her nonce son, had caveats put into law to protect her own economic interests over the people as well as allow her to discriminate against POC when hiring and actively took part in colonialism in Yemen. She is contemptible and I'm not gonna pretend that she wasn't because other people want to overlook her actions just cus she was a little old granny.
@@steveharrison76 stop tone policing, if people want to be happy that a person part of genocide and imperialism is dead that is a good thing.. people like you lack the spine to be on the left
@@steveharrison76 I get your point, it's the same as writing off Tory (voters) as "scum", etc. Satisfying in the moment; sometimes accurate; but never a salient path to winning hearts or minds.
@@eightiesmusic1984 I agree but it's possible to look at the institution and the individual separately. For example let's look at the then President Trump. It's possible to respect the office of US president but to have no respect for it's occupier.
Also one interesting fact is that Elizabeth II reigned during the premiership of 15 British Prime Ministers over 70 years. 4 of those were in the past 7, that's between a third and a quarter. While Cameron began in 2010 since the 2015 election, 7 years ago, we've had 4 PMs. Just to put into perspective how chaotic the Tories have been.
About bloody time sadly it has brought out the worst of the grovelling sycophantic klints. Even the Met office has reduced its weather reporting apparently as a sign of respect it’s absolutely mental
It's been the main headline on the BBC Sport website as well. What on earth does it have to do with sport!? All the football in the UK has also been cancelled for the entire weekend. What's wrong with a minute silence before each match?
@@NANA-kf1cs When my wife told me about that i was gobsmacked and had to check and see if it was true. It seems that the met office has apologised for that misleading statement now.
You know legally all land in the UK is owned by the Crown? They use the same doctrine in the US only there they call it ''eminent domain''. Machinery of Govt. is always the same, regardless of the sparkling Fetish Object at the top of the pile.
the mainstreams carefully choreographed mawkish reporting is cringe inducing , the woman lived a long privileged luxurious publicly funded life ,travelling the world and shaking hands ,what a grafter.
There is no reason to mourn over the death of this woman, beyond the mourning that one does do over the death over one's own mother. There is no reason for billionaires to exist. There is no reason for any king or queen to exist. There is double double no reason for a billionaire king or queen to exist.
Why shouldn't billionaires exist? Are millionaires OK though? What about people with nearly a million? Wait, if you have £1 off a billion are you still good then?
The British monarchy is not even "nearly thereabouts" a continuous line since the Conqueror....Richard II was deposed by his cousin Henry Bollingbroke; Henry Tudor was several degrees removed from the crown before winning the throne by right of conquest. William of Orange became king of England purely by invading from the Netherlands; and the Hanoverian line of kings and queens were literally imported from Germany after a Britain's Got Talent style process in the late 1700s. Even the House of Windsor may not be the last line of British monarchy. History tells us different.
My dog (Cairn Terrier) is slowly approching the end of her life, I'm dreading saying goodbye to her. In other news, some obscenly wealthy old lady from london has passed, meh.
I have a 14 year old very funny has seen me through lonely days , since my children have grown and left home , I dread him leaving this realm, totally get it 😢
@@sarahjaneross2918 and cats, never had one before got my first 15 years ago and I'm smitten he is gorge and a wonderful personality. Seen me through many rough times and is so darn clever! ✌
Sending love and warmth to all those citizens who lost loved ones during the pandemic, due to Conservative Party deciet and incompetence ❤ 💛 Accountability and Candor is for everyone! There is no such thing as "divine right". To serve your country is to wake early and do a hard day's work. To look after your family and friends. Nurcher future generations, at the same time look after our elderly citizens and treat them with respect. Not to capitalise from others finances when others are hungry and can't afford their bills! God save the citizens of the UK ❤ 💛
I think the time to end the aristocrats "privilege n rule" is here... can't continue to sit around n wait for each of them to die comfortably in their castle beds.
The "feudal" system was a system of land holding in return for military service. The word is almost always misused, even by the normally faultless Ash.
@@davidthompson797 my dictionary gives the following: Noun: feudalism (pl. feudalisms) |'fyood(‑u)ˌli‑zum| The social system that developed in Europe in the 8th century; vassals were protected by lords who they had to serve in war = feudal system
Michael and Ash, I just want to say, you are such an inspiration. So eloquent and knowledgeable. I absolutely love listening to you both. Thank you so much for everything that you do
The strange thing about the UK is that a King or Queen does not retire. Royals do retire in other constitutional monarchies like Belgium and the Netherlands.
It is my sincere hope that the passing of the monarch will give the people of our country an opportunity to assess our current situation, evaluate the future, make a break with the past and it's cloying nostalgia, leading to a better, fairer nation for everyone. Nah. Just having a laugh. Rip-off Britain, as usual. The rich feeding at the trough and the poor blighters at the bottom getting their hats screwed on. Had you going for second, there. Shame, though. "Struggling to be born"? Yeah, no kidding.
@@natmeyy7590 What would you have in its place? Constitutional monarchy means that the prestige of state is held by someone who doesn't weigh in on political issues, and so can be seen as a symbol of stability and calm. An elected head of state would have many of the same trappings of prestige, meaning the high expenditure - actually, very high, because without the monarchy, the Windsors would just become landowners paying vastly less tax than they currently do, and we'd either have to buy properties back off them to make them state residences, or build an entirely new one - along with the costs of election cycles, *and* would then be an inherently divisive figure, simply by virtue of having been elected on the basis of having opinions. A monarch doesn't need to have opinions; in fact, it's generally beneficial if they don't.
As a Persian-American who majored in European History and studied in London during law school, I’ve always loved the UK and the British people. I was planning on moving back one day, but Brexit destroyed that - Brexit made me lose a lot of respect for our British cousins across the pond. Didn’t think y’all could look any more backwards than Brexit…until the Met started arresting people for asking “Who elected [Charles]?” and holding blank signs of paper, in peaceful protest of the monarchy, imperialism, and colonialism. Don’t get me wrong, the US has its fair share of gross behavior (see, recently: Trump). BUT: we also have the choice to remove our heads of state democratically. That people as “civilized” as the Brits have reverted back to peasant brain immediately upon the death of a 96 year old monarch, made me rethink what remaining respect that I had left for you folks post-Brexit. I’m not a leftist per se, but if I were in the UK: I would absolutely vote Labour.
Caught the end of this yesterday. Just having a relisten. Appreciate the less fawning commentary regarding this event. I think you toed the fine line between respect and critique as everyone will respond to this kind of subject differently.
@@ultimateblaze23 I referred to respect for the fact there's going to be a myriad of responses, thoughts, and feelings to this news. Nowhere did I say anything about my personal feelings for the monarchy. Maybe you need glasses rather than worrying about my spine?
I don't think state representation needs to be limited in a binary fashion 'Monarchy or Republic' I certainly don't accept 'if you don't have a monarch you need a president,' in fact I entirely reject the necessity for a 'head of state.' If we do have a non-monarchic representative they should be chosen annually from a school or union of skilled diplomats. It should contain only a moderate increase in wage (to offset the temporary media pressure they will be under.) No big hoose, no constitutional power, nada.
Thank you for giving us some choice. Not all of the nation wants to listen to wall to wall Queen coverage. The BBC does not respect us enough to give us a choice. Damian Grammaticas is a brave man.
I think decades ago and during times or the two world wars monarchy had a much greater and more significant role as Britain seemed to still see the kings and Queens as equal to if not more important than Westminster. Now and for the last few decades I've seen no point to them apart from the charitable deeds and sometimes Charles speaking up about things in society that aren't good, highlighting them. Yes they've given Britain some form of shrouded awe and attracted travellers to London but the fact of the costs of their upkeep, all their lands houses and squirreled away money outweighs their usefulness. She was 96! I feel no need to 'mourn' but I do cry for those in nursing homes who died because of covid mismanagement, the people who died providing us with services. The people who've died because of the dwp process and those who will kill themselves because they can see no way out of their lives, those who have and are dying due to lack of nhs healthcare, those who will die because they're cold poor sick. I have no idea why hero worship is a thing be it monarchy or a singer or an actor. The heroes are the ordinary people who against all odds manage to get up every day. It seems to me to be the biggest gaslight ever to believe that one woman's life is worth so much more. There are times when the good of the one, the life of the one outweighs that of the many but those are when the life of the one will help so many more like ghandi, Martin Luther King, Oscar schindler, mother theresa so many brave men and women who without them more people would suffer. The majority of the time the lives of the many outweigh that of the few or the one and I feel this is one of those times ✌
How does she rank alongside Churchill, Beveridge snd Bevan? Who did more for us? And how does she rank alongside Roosevelt, Ghandi, Schuman, De Gaulle, Mandela, Gorbachev?
I was really upset when my daughter’s cat was run over 2 weeks before the Queen died! I felt literally nothing when the Queen died, but there were some great memes going back and forth right up to the “fun”- eral! I ribbed my wife watching “coffin cam” from time to time and that was it really!
Please cover the backlash on Trevor Sinclair (TalkSPORT) in tonight’s show x People who usually hate “cancelling” now want to cancel him for making a point about the link between racism in the UK and monarchy.
Nice to see this more republican narrative and discussion of things, I feel like I needed this. (also 51 seconds in, you find out what digital workspace platform Novara use if you listen closely enough...)
@@PHlophe yes, I mean the software that people use to work digitally - like Teams, or Monday, or Mattermost, or Slack (you can hear a notification sound)
Can anyone actually name something the Queen has done? Or do they just Parrot Propaganda of Hardwork, she had staff to do the work for her do people not realise this? She was also living off of ill gotten gains that's not hard work
I'm Canadian, I will join the Republicans in Canada My grandfather was English he loved Elizabeth ,but her children broke his heart. I have no connection to the UK, I believe Canada should be republic now that Elizabeth and Phillip have passed. They were old school tough and much respected .sorry for your loss
It's time to end England's White Supremacist ideology (mental illness) that has caused so much suffering for Indigenous Peoples in their homelands throughout the world.
I wonder how much public grieving will compare to Diana’s death. As Ash said, her death led to an avalanche of flowers outside the palace. Will the same happen for Elizabeth?
It’ll be a lot less on comparison. The Queen wasn’t universally loved like Diana. Diana’s death was a shock out the blue and she was still pretty young.
I’m not a royalist at all but when you’re here in the U.K. and they’re cancelling all this stuff and every tv program is cancelled because it’s all about the Queen, all the strike actions planned have now been cancelled, since this is “above politics”, and you’re looking at your mother and father, and she’s crying and he’s so sad . It’s kinda hard to just say “I don’t care, she’s a coloniser”. I’m just gonna keep my opinion to myself, be respectful, and let people mourn.
A hypothetical: What if a teacher showed children in his RE class some cartoons poking fun at the Queen’s demise. As an “academic exercise”, of course. What’s the odds he or she would get fired? Would you vociferously support them? Follow up rhetorical question: if the parents of the children concerned demanded the removal of the teacher and an apology from the school do you think they’d be described as “an intolerant mob”?
It's very reminiscent of a dictatorship or an authoritarian state in the sense of being told how to think and feel when the main figure head passes away. And facing hostility if you dissent from that narrative.
To think, her reign as a monarch started with huge promise, Everest conquered by a subject of Her Majesty, she was head of a nation that had pulled through a perilous economic period, after the successful restructuring of the economy after a long, painful war, where Britain was seen as the moral colossus who stood up to Nazism/fascism. We had nationalised industries and utilities, a welfare state was in operation and a new NHS. Labour relations were not great but they had improved. Trade Unions were as knitted into the economy, just as much as the captains of industry. When HRH Elizabeth II hit her arse on that throne, a national House building programme was at its height. Society underwent transformation and progress through the 60s. The Post-War settlement was both real and an acceptance of the system embedded itself in UK politics. Then Thatcherism and the destruction of the Post War settlement began in earnest. Thanks in large part to UK membership of the EU, the benefits economically delivered. Despite Thatcherism, not because of it. Yet, we have never escaped that stench of decline. The return of the Labour government in 97, delivered a true boost to both economy and to a social improvement for UK citizens. When 2008 struck, the rest they say is history. Decline, confusion, decay, corruption, incompetence and Brexit...as we now undergo the roar of the dinosaurs, who rage at a world that is changing around them and contend with the imposing winds of reality, that they have hid from, for far, far too long. Maybe the greatest service Her Maj has done, is departing, as millions now have to contend with 'real change' ...the departure of a constant feature can only impose the necessity of reflection. A reflection that monarchists and brow-beaters cannot change. Our new King knows only too well...change is coming. This could provide hope!
As I posted yesterday, It is sad that a mother, grandmother and great grandmother has died, may she rest in peace. Going forward meaningful change going forward is needed.
Sorry to hear about the death of your queen. In Austria she is all over the news and commentaries as well, always refered to as THE QUEEN, as if there were not a couple of other queens in Europe and world wide. She was very well known and rather admired on the continent as well. The same cannot be said about Charles, her son. How likely is it in your opinion, that the roles of your royals are now aproximating those of other European royals, who are mostly important in the tabloids? Also Charles was known to have opinions about political issues, would that change now?
here in Italy the queen's death is also monopolising the news and our journalists are showing the same level of deference as their British counterparts, as if our queen had died, which feels very weird. I guess Italian journalists are just mourning the fact that they've lost the opportunity of being a foreign branch of the UK's tabloids since, when it came to British politics, gossip about the royal family seems to be all there is to talk about in this country.
I think all points of view should be respected. Those who want to mourn can and those who don't particularly care can enjoy an extra day off to play video games. Its all relative people
My mother who grew up with irish republican folk tunes, ceilidh's in cape breton with people speakin gaelic, has copies of john prebbles' culloden and the highland clearances, and is a monthly review subscriber to boot, still was somehow invested in this lady.
I disagree, I don't think we really need a 'head of state,' and an election is just a bigger opportunity for corruption. If we really need a single representative for international events, a yearly appointed diplomat from a pool of skilled and experienced diplomats (perhaps in a union or other professional organisation of some kind). They should get a little extra cash and obviously security, but no big hoose, no pomp or pageantry. A sober individual for a sober job. Their private life should be irrelevant and protected as well.
Don't fret it luv, they'll be back belaboring it 24-7 from tomo, so just keep glued to your *iPhone, Macbook Pro and 85" 4K flat* and you should be fine(!) 🤫🤫🤫🦊🦊
Liz truss made a mistake she called Prince Charles King III before it was announced which is not allowed and Prince Charles could take the name George. This shows Liz does not take this seriously and was probably told and ignored the detail this was pointing out on the BBC that Liz is not allowed to announce King Charles III until the Prince said due to protcal and he could take the name of George
17:20 AFAIU BBC World News correspondent Yalda Hakim tweeted at 3:07 pm that the queen had died, before deleting it & apologising a few minutes later. So it's more than likely the official announcement was embargoed for a good few hours till 6.30 pm.
When I read the almost bullying tone from the media and social media platforms about how I should join in with their mourning I remind myself of that picture of the sweet old lady bashing that pheasant to death, and it jolts me back to reality.
Born under Empire, died under Brexit. Many monarchs would not have submitted to such a fate. _(So here's to you Mrs. Robinson...)_ Let's hope Charles III won't accept any lie from Truss or the next Tory PM at face value, as Elizabeth did from Boris.
As bad as Thatcher was, she didn't come with her whole extended family expecting to be kept in luxury by the taxpayers. What's more to the point it was possible to vote her out.
Lots for all of the UK to think about and ponder during your long cold winter ahead. Elizabethan Republican gay Australian lefty here. Wishing you all the best and I hope you make it through everything you have got yourselves into. Best of luck, if it keeps getting worse why not come and migrate here! Better weather better wages AND we still have King Charles. 😜
For gods sake the body not cold yet. Critcism of the role of Monarchy in a modern state is a valid subject but could'nt it wait till after the funeral?
Something I find interesting is that, among other things, Charles has suddenly become head of the Church of England. In the past he made a statement that he wanted to be defender of faiths rather than defender of the faith. There has been speculation that he is closer to being something like a druid or a agan than a Church of England Christian. Could this eventually lead to disestablishment of the church? This is something which I would welcome, and which I believe would be good for both church and state.
A journalist pal of mine who was there has told me on that apparently she had a stroke. Might have something to with the mobility issue references. He might be wrong but this got out to several people
Expected better from Novera….her lot do us no favours along with the Politicians who defend the status quo ! Yes you were respectful in your report of her passing but could’ve just been watching the BBC imo…..oh well then ☹️
Yes rather. Very disappointed in the coverage. It’s a good time for England to return all the stolen treasures, and make amends and come to the realisation that they are really a piss ant country now, full of stolen ideas, peoples and treasures and very little else. But that isn’t just the torries it’s all of them.
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@@GeoNeilUK seems like RUclips has taken that away.
You left a retake in on the original 33:08
No you took it down because it got ratio'd
You mean to cut out your laughter?
Being extremely anti-monarchy is actually very difficult right now. There is a lot of space for mourning, but not a lot of space for the empathy of the victims of atrocities associated with the monarchy.
@Hunter Gatherer hey some mafia bosses were ok
I dont agree. I am totally anti-monarchy and I feel very comfortable.
@@gudrunbruemllst4172 Do you live in the UK though?
She also did raise billions of pounds for charity. People always forget that part. How many lives did her philanthropy save? I know it doesn’t cancel out the atrocities as you say, anything but it does mean something.
@@nameisamine Charity is no substitute for taxing the rich. Let alone owning the means of production so the rich can't make people poor in the first place.
However you feel about the monarchy,
she died in a life of luxury without having to worry about heating or finance.
We have bigger fish to fry.
Disabled people were executed to the Tory Govt money & the Queen only agreed to pay tax after the Windsor Castle fire.
but she was forced to have weekly meetings with Boris Johnson - every life has a downside
@@mbontekoe3358 Boris has been licking her royal arse sinse 2008 so don't think neither one mind it... over tea that is lol
@@mbontekoe3358 yeah fuq that
Tbh it's not like she sat on her arse the whole time.
The old bird did good I think
As I posted yesterday, there seems to be very little mention of the recent revelations that the Queen often interfered covertly in the framing of government policy to protect her own massive financial interests. For all its failings, The Guardian does provide some useful information at times.
I'd like to mention at this point that if King Charles should at any point find the "duty and sacrifice" that are required of him too onerous (and the BBC make the "burden" of reigning sound almost beyond human endurance), I'd be perfectly happy to do a 50-50 jobshare, though I'd be expecting a pro-rata payment from the Sovereign Grant of £83.6 million per annum and corresponding payments from the Duchies of Lancaster and Cornwall.
Sorry, I got the sovereign grant amount wrong. It's actually £86.3 million, but what's a couple of million between friends?
I guess it's her Ferrari collection and yacht that has given her away. Pure indulgence and extravagance.
These aristocrats have done nothing but siphon the life out of us. You just can't have any genuine mourning for people like her.
@@billygoat9006 the sycophants and servants are the biggest expense. Uneducated and birth right, unelected Head of State has no place in a functioning and meritoric society.
@@criticsatlarge0073 I understand the principle. However, an influential figure who engaged mostly with charities and sporting events isn't really a problem, even at £80 million. Turn your attention to the billionaire corporate types and corrupt politicians if you want to see the real issues. She is supposed to be an example of service and duty to those scumbags.
I grew up in Leicester and lived in London most of my life, and I've seen some British people live in unimaginable poverty (homelessness, food insecurity and such). Queen Elizabeth II is someone who was exceptionally wealthy and powerful. With a snap of her finger, she could have helped those people in need. However, her and her family lived a life of luxury while her own people starved. Is this the queen we supposed to mourn?
I moved from Leicester to Bristol, and I've seen similar situations here.
very well said .its just a dead parasite
Why don't they just eat cake? Jeez!
@@edbee8508 , you are wrong for that brother, but damn that's funny! 🤣
No apparently "god" thinks she more important for some reason.
Nevermind all of the atrocities that have been committed under the crown and the fact she never apologised for all those done and ongoing to this day due to their actions - never an apology.
As someone who believes in justice and equality I'm a staunch anti-royalist. I feel extremely uncomfortable right now at the pressure to succumb to cloying sentimentality and nostalgia. My mother died a few weeks ago aged 93 and I was blessed to be able to be by her side for a few days, holding her hand. That was a blessing denied to so many during the pandemic. I don't expect Mrs. Windsor had to wait in a queue to get an appointment with her doctor, and I don't expect her family will struggle to pay for her funeral costs - they have taxpayers for that!
I struggled through the nonsense that was the Jubilee this summer; now we will have weeks of sycophantic fawning about how 'our Queen' was a wonderful person. And I've just realised that we still have the disgusting spectacle of an expensive coronation at a time of public anxiety over the cost of living to look forward. I wonder how the establishment will spin that one. 🤨
Spot on, I'm totally in agreement, my thoughts exactly
But an anti monarchy comment on arsebook has left my timeline showered with abuse..how sad
Greetings Jacqui n my sincerest sympathy on your mother's passing.
I believe your comment very probably articulated the thoughts n feelings of many people in the UK and from around the world.
These ruling aristocrats have literally looted every country around the planet n brought poverty n hunger to so many. They have all but wiped away the middle-class n re-established "The haves n the have nots".
God save us all - for the Queen no longer needs saving !
@Butt Face "As regard the taxpayer being screwed over. I'm not seeing it." Of course, you're not seeing it - that's the point of offshore tax havens. Or perhaps you missed the Pandora Papers...
"By the way, her net worth is about £420 million. That's just around £6 if split fairly amongst the British population." And it's about 5p if you shared it out among the entire population of the Earth, but what has either of these calculations got to do with anything?!
Hi Jacqui, i subscribe every single word you wrote. My father died aged 91 this january after spending his last 40 years severely disabled as afterrmath of a surgery to remove a brain cancer.
He died alone in a geriatric public hospital where we was moved from home upon a kidney disfunction, because in italy (we are italians and we live in this fake democracy nation) due to the hateful covid restrictions,no family member was allowed to enter into hospital, no matter if vaccinated or not.myself and my brother (the only relatives he had) could therefore not even stay with him while he was passing away. That said, i respect the death of anybody but i do not find fair that the dignity of death is based on one's supposed importance and richness. My father was a working class hero before his cancer but, though lacking education, he was very clever and with huge personality and fought his poor health condition with strenght and courage. So to my eyes, his common citizen life was as important as the life of any person with power
I read the Guardian. It extensively covered the scandals of the Queen's offshore investments and interference in government policy but now it's wall to wall fawning, obsequious coverage. It's vomit-inducing.
Why? do you seriously think that's a badge of credibility, waste of £1.80
@@eightiesmusic1984 Not even “moderate social democracy”, but rather centre-right social liberalism, which is, sadly, what many so-called social democratic parties have turned (in)to and likely the key factor behind what’s known as “pasokification”.
@@eightiesmusic1984 The Guardian had no obligation to Corbyn, and it amazes me that people who claim ability at critical thinking are so uncomfortable with any scrutiny of their personality cults.
Wait till Netanyahu dies; every page of the Guardian will be a sheet of unbroken vantablack in tribute.
@@zippymufo9765 The Guardian has the obligation to Corbyn that it has to any other politician: to treat him fairly and honestly. They didn't do that. To be clear, that doesn't prevent being critical, even very harshly, but it does mean not lying or being intentionally misleading.
I’d like to congratulate Ash and Michael for this sober, brave and objective analysis of the monarchy, while every other media channel has reverted to “national crisis” mode, Novara once again remind us of the importance of independent media and standing outside of the press pack, this commentary was the most refreshing I saw yesterday, respectful yet rounded, and ultimately very courageous. Thank you both for your excellent work ❤️
this is not excellent work, neither is it refreshing or courageous 🕷🕸
so called socialists going soft on the queen is a joke... this is celebration time, that's it
@@ultimateblaze23 it doesn't strike me as particularly humane to celebrate anyone's death. I'm not a monarchist, I don't see the point of a monarchy, but it is a significant historical event.
Brave or crass? They know that republicanism has no future in the UK
@@briandelaney9710 It was brave to swim against the tide of the current coverage, and I thought they did it respectfully, although subsequent broadcasts have gotten more critical, nothing wrong with that of course.
I think they oppose Monarchy, many people do in the UK, it's not in itself an illegitimate view. But, for what it's worth, I agree with you, the Monarchy is safe in Britain, for now at least.
and only 24 hours of meeting Liz Truss - what an effect this woman can havee
I've been saying to everyone that I think Truss bored her to death
I thought/said that too.
Maybe she just passed her lizard form onto Truss? Why did god not save her?
I’m really going to miss Seeing her sitting on vast piles of wealth and waving at us
You sound pretty jealous.....
Attlee was a socialist and he was devoted to George VI
You sound pretty sensible
As a non-Brit, I find this whole mourning thing extra weird because there's plenty for Brits to be proud of, and yet there's this strange implication people should feel affected by this. The vapid speeches about the queen's "reign" and her "great achievements" in building modern Britain despite the fact she's not supposed to actually reign and is more of a ceremonial tourist attraction. The insistent pushing of the idea that she provided stability to the nation despite the fact the UK has in no way been sheltered from global and domestic volatility throughout the last few decades. The hostility towards people who dare bring up the extremely unsavoury acts she/the monarchy had enabled because "now is not the time" or "respect the dead". She and her family are lobbyists for their own interests. I can recognise she meant a lot to other people for reasons that make little rational sense to me personally, but it doesn't stop it feeling odd, antiquated and whitewashed. My first thought after receiving the news was how many awful policies would be rushed through that will make countless people's lives worse while the media are preoccupied with this emotional nonsense instead of fulfilling their duty of holding the government to account. It's hard not to be cynical about this stuff if you bother to look around you.
You have no clue what you’re on about. What a mess
I'm an American and unfamiliar with how this whole monarchy thing works. So does Egypt get to steal the queens casket now and put it on display or is that only a one way street?
Lol lol lol...exactly!
As an American………..you have made one of the best…..if not THE BEST comment I’ve ever seen anywhere….ever! What a great point! I’m screen-shotting that and sharing it far and wide! 😅
All my tears are cried out for the victims of austerity and Corona
Keep crying
I'm a die hard republican. I absolutely oppose the postition of King/Queen. Having said that I do respect Elizabeth herself, although not her position. But again having said that I don't feel particularly sad, I'm not happy just not sad. It's as if a celebrity has died that I never paid too much attention to. My heart goes out to her friends and family just as it does to anyone who has died.
Same here. I also think it’s worth pointing out that the sort of gleeful reaction to this expressed by some is extremely unhelpful to the republican cause, because it just gives them emotional ammunition to push back against a serious conversation about it. We do have to accept and come to terms with the fact that, whilst we do not feel the same, there are many, many folks who feel genuinely bereaved and upset about this, and responding in a certain way will damage the republican cause by hardening people against the idea, because what they will remember is that, in their grief, they were mocked and the object of their grief was vilified.
Basically, it’s a rhetorical and political own goal. It’s like this: Yes, I am well aware of all the terrible stuff involved in the monarchy and the end of the empire; I’m just saying that now isn’t the time. Let the grieving process end and let people get back on track. They’ll remember your kindness and support despite your differing beliefs. But they will also remember your (as they see it) spite and hatred.
Hope that makes sense. I’m just worried that we will have to go through another go-round of not having a proper discussion about it because of the hangover caused by perceived hostility at this crucial point in time for the debate. “We don’t need to talk about this with you; you lot made yourself clear when the last monarch died” is going to be difficult to circumvent with logic because it appeals to emotion and ‘tradition’ and the idea that all republicans are like that.
She helped fund the pay off for her nonce son, had caveats put into law to protect her own economic interests over the people as well as allow her to discriminate against POC when hiring and actively took part in colonialism in Yemen.
She is contemptible and I'm not gonna pretend that she wasn't because other people want to overlook her actions just cus she was a little old granny.
@@steveharrison76 stop tone policing, if people want to be happy that a person part of genocide and imperialism is dead that is a good thing.. people like you lack the spine to be on the left
@@steveharrison76 I get your point, it's the same as writing off Tory (voters) as "scum", etc. Satisfying in the moment; sometimes accurate; but never a salient path to winning hearts or minds.
@@eightiesmusic1984 I agree but it's possible to look at the institution and the individual separately. For example let's look at the then President Trump. It's possible to respect the office of US president but to have no respect for it's occupier.
Also one interesting fact is that Elizabeth II reigned during the premiership of 15 British Prime Ministers over 70 years. 4 of those were in the past 7, that's between a third and a quarter. While Cameron began in 2010 since the 2015 election, 7 years ago, we've had 4 PMs. Just to put into perspective how chaotic the Tories have been.
About bloody time sadly it has brought out the worst of the grovelling sycophantic klints. Even the Met office has reduced its weather reporting apparently as a sign of respect it’s absolutely mental
It's been the main headline on the BBC Sport website as well. What on earth does it have to do with sport!? All the football in the UK has also been cancelled for the entire weekend. What's wrong with a minute silence before each match?
@@NANA-kf1cs When my wife told me about that i was gobsmacked and had to check and see if it was true. It seems that the met office has apologised for that misleading statement now.
Her most Britannic majesty, has passed. Let the bugles call us, gentlemen, to solemn vigil, as we mourn the loss of such an esteemed landowner.
😂😂😂
You know legally all land in the UK is owned by the Crown? They use the same doctrine in the US only there they call it ''eminent domain''. Machinery of Govt. is always the same, regardless of the sparkling Fetish Object at the top of the pile.
the mainstreams carefully choreographed mawkish reporting is cringe inducing , the woman lived a long privileged luxurious publicly funded life ,travelling the world and shaking hands ,what a grafter.
Yes! Can we get any further down on out knees...?!
people being upset over a top 0.0000001%er dying who never did anything for them shows how far behind humanity is
There is no reason to mourn over the death of this woman, beyond the mourning that one does do over the death over one's own mother.
There is no reason for billionaires to exist.
There is no reason for any king or queen to exist.
There is double double no reason for a billionaire king or queen to exist.
To most of us I think it's more of a sigh of relief.. one less Baphomet worshipper to worry about.
Why shouldn't billionaires exist?
Are millionaires OK though?
What about people with nearly a million?
Wait, if you have £1 off a billion are you still good then?
The British monarchy is not even "nearly thereabouts" a continuous line since the Conqueror....Richard II was deposed by his cousin Henry Bollingbroke; Henry Tudor was several degrees removed from the crown before winning the throne by right of conquest. William of Orange became king of England purely by invading from the Netherlands; and the Hanoverian line of kings and queens were literally imported from Germany after a Britain's Got Talent style process in the late 1700s. Even the House of Windsor may not be the last line of British monarchy. History tells us different.
My dog (Cairn Terrier) is slowly approching the end of her life, I'm dreading saying goodbye to her. In other news, some obscenly wealthy old lady from london has passed, meh.
💖🐾 dogs are better people x
I have a 14 year old very funny has seen me through lonely days , since my children have grown and left home , I dread him leaving this realm, totally get it 😢
@@sarahjaneross2918 and cats, never had one before got my first 15 years ago and I'm smitten he is gorge and a wonderful personality. Seen me through many rough times and is so darn clever! ✌
Thank goodness for Novara Media in times like this. The only coverage of this event that I can stomach.
Sending love and warmth to all those citizens who lost loved ones during the pandemic, due to Conservative Party deciet and incompetence ❤ 💛
Accountability and Candor is for everyone!
There is no such thing as "divine right".
To serve your country is to wake early and do a hard day's work.
To look after your family and friends. Nurcher future generations, at the same time look after our elderly citizens and treat them with respect.
Not to capitalise from others finances when others are hungry and can't afford their bills!
God save the citizens of the UK ❤ 💛
Your full of shit mate the same would of happened if Labour was in power!
I think the time to end the aristocrats "privilege n rule" is here... can't continue to sit around n wait for each of them to die comfortably in their castle beds.
Love you 💝
Even Liz couldn't handle truss
Ash nailed it with the word ‘feudal’ to describe the choreographed media response to the death and resurrection of the Monarch.
The "feudal" system was a system of land holding in return for military service. The word is almost always misused, even by the normally faultless Ash.
@@davidthompson797 my dictionary gives the following:
Noun: feudalism
(pl. feudalisms)
|'fyood(‑u)ˌli‑zum|
The social system that developed in Europe in the 8th century; vassals were protected by lords who they had to serve in war
= feudal system
If the right can assert that "Cultural Marxism" is a thing, is this "Cultural Feudalism"?
God Save The People
This was a beautifully produced and respectfully made video. Many thanks, I’ve become a donor/supporter based on several videos I’ve watched.
Michael and Ash, I just want to say, you are such an inspiration. So eloquent and knowledgeable. I absolutely love listening to you both. Thank you so much for everything that you do
Truss's statement might just as well have been read out by Siri
The strange thing about the UK is that a King or Queen does not retire. Royals do retire in other constitutional monarchies like Belgium and the Netherlands.
Queen Elizabeth could have retired (abdicated) at any time - she choose not to.
It is my sincere hope that the passing of the monarch will give the people of our country an opportunity to assess our current situation, evaluate the future, make a break with the past and it's cloying nostalgia, leading to a better, fairer nation for everyone.
Nah. Just having a laugh. Rip-off Britain, as usual. The rich feeding at the trough and the poor blighters at the bottom getting their hats screwed on. Had you going for second, there. Shame, though. "Struggling to be born"? Yeah, no kidding.
Yep, nothing will change. In fact I see things getting worse.....
Fairness? You mean that thing that doesn't exist......
When does it end! When can we move on from unelected privalleged heads of State and start being grown ups ?
Don’t forget the House of Horrors( LORDS).
I'd rather have an assiduously impartial figurehead of state than a Trump.
@@josephharrison8354 why the need of Figure Heads ?
@@natmeyy7590 What would you have in its place? Constitutional monarchy means that the prestige of state is held by someone who doesn't weigh in on political issues, and so can be seen as a symbol of stability and calm. An elected head of state would have many of the same trappings of prestige, meaning the high expenditure - actually, very high, because without the monarchy, the Windsors would just become landowners paying vastly less tax than they currently do, and we'd either have to buy properties back off them to make them state residences, or build an entirely new one - along with the costs of election cycles, *and* would then be an inherently divisive figure, simply by virtue of having been elected on the basis of having opinions. A monarch doesn't need to have opinions; in fact, it's generally beneficial if they don't.
@@josephharrison8354 I would prefer a progressive society where communities have self representation
As a Persian-American who majored in European History and studied in London during law school, I’ve always loved the UK and the British people.
I was planning on moving back one day, but Brexit destroyed that - Brexit made me lose a lot of respect for our British cousins across the pond. Didn’t think y’all could look any more backwards than Brexit…until the Met started arresting people for asking “Who elected [Charles]?” and holding blank signs of paper, in peaceful protest of the monarchy, imperialism, and colonialism.
Don’t get me wrong, the US has its fair share of gross behavior (see, recently: Trump). BUT: we also have the choice to remove our heads of state democratically. That people as “civilized” as the Brits have reverted back to peasant brain immediately upon the death of a 96 year old monarch, made me rethink what remaining respect that I had left for you folks post-Brexit.
I’m not a leftist per se, but if I were in the UK: I would absolutely vote Labour.
Ash is so knowledgable
Caught the end of this yesterday. Just having a relisten. Appreciate the less fawning commentary regarding this event. I think you toed the fine line between respect and critique as everyone will respond to this kind of subject differently.
she deserves zero respect, nor does any in or supporting the royal family, grow a spine
@@ultimateblaze23 I referred to respect for the fact there's going to be a myriad of responses, thoughts, and feelings to this news. Nowhere did I say anything about my personal feelings for the monarchy. Maybe you need glasses rather than worrying about my spine?
Lizard Truss's speech. "Britain is a thriving country" what kind of gaslighting is this?
Lol yeah and still so many living in cognitive dissonance
What a beautifully tactful, yet honest discussion. Once again - thanks.
Always
Maybe it's very tactfulness is a problem ?
The House of Windsor has commited crimes against humanity.
I don't think state representation needs to be limited in a binary fashion 'Monarchy or Republic'
I certainly don't accept 'if you don't have a monarch you need a president,' in fact I entirely reject the necessity for a 'head of state.'
If we do have a non-monarchic representative they should be chosen annually from a school or union of skilled diplomats. It should contain only a moderate increase in wage (to offset the temporary media pressure they will be under.) No big hoose, no constitutional power, nada.
Thank you for giving us some choice. Not all of the nation wants to listen to wall to wall Queen coverage. The BBC does not respect us enough to give us a choice. Damian Grammaticas is a brave man.
A lot of virtue signalling going on...
Living in the UK in the 21st century under a Monarchy? Really, time to grow up.
Really appreciate the amount of research Ash brings to her work. A great journalist 👏🏼
I think decades ago and during times or the two world wars monarchy had a much greater and more significant role as Britain seemed to still see the kings and Queens as equal to if not more important than Westminster. Now and for the last few decades I've seen no point to them apart from the charitable deeds and sometimes Charles speaking up about things in society that aren't good, highlighting them. Yes they've given Britain some form of shrouded awe and attracted travellers to London but the fact of the costs of their upkeep, all their lands houses and squirreled away money outweighs their usefulness. She was 96! I feel no need to 'mourn' but I do cry for those in nursing homes who died because of covid mismanagement, the people who died providing us with services. The people who've died because of the dwp process and those who will kill themselves because they can see no way out of their lives, those who have and are dying due to lack of nhs healthcare, those who will die because they're cold poor sick. I have no idea why hero worship is a thing be it monarchy or a singer or an actor. The heroes are the ordinary people who against all odds manage to get up every day. It seems to me to be the biggest gaslight ever to believe that one woman's life is worth so much more. There are times when the good of the one, the life of the one outweighs that of the many but those are when the life of the one will help so many more like ghandi, Martin Luther King, Oscar schindler, mother theresa so many brave men and women who without them more people would suffer. The majority of the time the lives of the many outweigh that of the few or the one and I feel this is one of those times ✌
Abolish Monarchy⏳🏴☠️✨
"The unprecedented has become the quotidian". A Sarkar dropping supreme lyrics as per.
I couldn't give a flying fuck about our monarchy, but am I alone in this sentiment!?
No, you are not alone.
@@janeharrington1757, thank goodness!
How does she rank alongside Churchill, Beveridge snd Bevan?
Who did more for us?
And how does she rank alongside Roosevelt, Ghandi, Schuman, De Gaulle, Mandela, Gorbachev?
Attlee was a great man, we have the nhs thanks to him✌
Corbyn.
They would look like ants
I was really upset when my daughter’s cat was run over 2 weeks before the Queen died! I felt literally nothing when the Queen died, but there were some great memes going back and forth right up to the “fun”- eral! I ribbed my wife watching “coffin cam” from time to time and that was it really!
George Orwell 1984⏳
Please cover the backlash on Trevor Sinclair (TalkSPORT) in tonight’s show x
People who usually hate “cancelling” now want to cancel him for making a point about the link between racism in the UK and monarchy.
remember tories announced racism doesn't exist in the UK two years back
Nice to see this more republican narrative and discussion of things, I feel like I needed this.
(also 51 seconds in, you find out what digital workspace platform Novara use if you listen closely enough...)
sophie what do you mean with digital space. wasn't it always set up digitally ?
@@PHlophe yes, I mean the software that people use to work digitally - like Teams, or Monday, or Mattermost, or Slack (you can hear a notification sound)
Ah yes a republic... president Liz Truss taking up residence at Windsor Castle.... no thanks...
Can anyone actually name something the Queen has done? Or do they just Parrot Propaganda of Hardwork, she had staff to do the work for her do people not realise this? She was also living off of ill gotten gains that's not hard work
She was very successful at protecting and expanding her family's private wealth.
@@TheQeltar Amen
Dave. I take it, you were one of the unfortunate soul's, HRH THE QUEEN didn't get around to being able to help.
She was 96 FFS!
I'm Canadian, I will join the Republicans in Canada My grandfather was English he loved Elizabeth ,but her children broke his heart. I have no connection to the UK, I believe Canada should be republic now that Elizabeth and Phillip have passed. They were old school tough and much respected .sorry for your loss
The new Australian government has a minister responsible for a republic
It's time to end England's White Supremacist ideology (mental illness) that has caused so much suffering for Indigenous Peoples in their homelands throughout the world.
The tradition of all dead generations weighs like a nightmare on the brains of the living. KM
THE QUEEN IS DEAD; LONG LIVE THE KING-PONCE.
I wonder how much public grieving will compare to Diana’s death. As Ash said, her death led to an avalanche of flowers outside the palace. Will the same happen for Elizabeth?
It’ll be a lot less on comparison. The Queen wasn’t universally loved like Diana. Diana’s death was a shock out the blue and she was still pretty young.
I’m not a royalist at all but when you’re here in the U.K. and they’re cancelling all this stuff and every tv program is cancelled because it’s all about the Queen, all the strike actions planned have now been cancelled, since this is “above politics”, and you’re looking at your mother and father, and she’s crying and he’s so sad . It’s kinda hard to just say “I don’t care, she’s a coloniser”. I’m just gonna keep my opinion to myself, be respectful, and let people mourn.
We don't have any choice. Fascists will be just itching to kick in someone's head for badmouthing the Royal family.
A hypothetical:
What if a teacher showed children in his RE class some cartoons poking fun at the Queen’s demise. As an “academic exercise”, of course. What’s the odds he or she would get fired? Would you vociferously support them?
Follow up rhetorical question: if the parents of the children concerned demanded the removal of the teacher and an apology from the school do you think they’d be described as “an intolerant mob”?
It's very reminiscent of a dictatorship or an authoritarian state in the sense of being told how to think and feel when the main figure head passes away. And facing hostility if you dissent from that narrative.
@@brianfairclough4109 probably, yes
God save the queen she aint no human being.
To think, her reign as a monarch started with huge promise, Everest conquered by a subject of Her Majesty, she was head of a nation that had pulled through a perilous economic period, after the successful restructuring of the economy after a long, painful war, where Britain was seen as the moral colossus who stood up to Nazism/fascism.
We had nationalised industries and utilities, a welfare state was in operation and a new NHS. Labour relations were not great but they had improved. Trade Unions were as knitted into the economy, just as much as the captains of industry.
When HRH Elizabeth II hit her arse on that throne, a national House building programme was at its height.
Society underwent transformation and progress through the 60s. The Post-War settlement was both real and an acceptance of the system embedded itself in UK politics.
Then Thatcherism and the destruction of the Post War settlement began in earnest. Thanks in large part to UK membership of the EU, the benefits economically delivered. Despite Thatcherism, not because of it. Yet, we have never escaped that stench of decline.
The return of the Labour government in 97, delivered a true boost to both economy and to a social improvement for UK citizens. When 2008 struck, the rest they say is history. Decline, confusion, decay, corruption, incompetence and Brexit...as we now undergo the roar of the dinosaurs, who rage at a world that is changing around them and contend with the imposing winds of reality, that they have hid from, for far, far too long. Maybe the greatest service Her Maj has done, is departing, as millions now have to contend with 'real change' ...the departure of a constant feature can only impose the necessity of reflection. A reflection that monarchists and brow-beaters cannot change. Our new King knows only too well...change is coming. This could provide hope!
As I posted yesterday, It is sad that a mother, grandmother and great grandmother has died, may she rest in peace. Going forward meaningful change going forward is needed.
Sorry to hear about the death of your queen. In Austria she is all over the news and commentaries as well, always refered to as THE QUEEN, as if there were not a couple of other queens in Europe and world wide. She was very well known and rather admired on the continent as well. The same cannot be said about Charles, her son. How likely is it in your opinion, that the roles of your royals are now aproximating those of other European royals, who are mostly important in the tabloids? Also Charles was known to have opinions about political issues, would that change now?
Don't be sorry, most of us are happy.
this is a left wing/ socialist platform so everyone here should be happy
@@ultimateblaze23 I'm happy but definitely not a Socialist, communist or leftist lol
Completely disrespectful
here in Italy the queen's death is also monopolising the news and our journalists are showing the same level of deference as their British counterparts, as if our queen had died, which feels very weird. I guess Italian journalists are just mourning the fact that they've lost the opportunity of being a foreign branch of the UK's tabloids since, when it came to British politics, gossip about the royal family seems to be all there is to talk about in this country.
Navigated beautifully 🙌 🙏. I'm always blown away by the intelligence of Novara Media.
Had the pleasure of meeting the Queen at a charity do once. She was surprisingly down to earth, and VERY funny.
Blahem
@@boogie4799 hahahah blahemmm indeed
Down to earth hahahahhahahahahahahahahhaa...
So was me Ma but she died at 59 of exhaustion and hunger trying too feed us!
@@Sam-tz8ou It's a comedian Limmy who tweets this when people die, insert different name as and when needed
Lets mark the occasion by making ‘God Save The Queen’ by the Sex Pistols No 1 in the charts.
How about The Smiths 'The Queen is Dead'?
I think all points of view should be respected. Those who want to mourn can and those who don't particularly care can enjoy an extra day off to play video games.
Its all relative people
Good analysis but I don't think you need to continuously assure us that "good people" like the Queen. Colonialist monarchs should have no sympathy.
She enjoyed the benefits of colonial theft thru thick and thing.
100 percent true
Peace and happiness from Dublin Eire 🇮🇪🇪🇺🏳️🌈
My mother who grew up with irish republican folk tunes, ceilidh's in cape breton with people speakin gaelic, has copies of john prebbles' culloden and the highland clearances, and is a monthly review subscriber to boot, still was somehow invested in this lady.
Y'all said republican and my american ass thought i had entered the twilight zone, had to do some research lol
Time for an elected head of state.. now.
I disagree, I don't think we really need a 'head of state,' and an election is just a bigger opportunity for corruption. If we really need a single representative for international events, a yearly appointed diplomat from a pool of skilled and experienced diplomats (perhaps in a union or other professional organisation of some kind). They should get a little extra cash and obviously security, but no big hoose, no pomp or pageantry. A sober individual for a sober job. Their private life should be irrelevant and protected as well.
@@ScottishVagabond can’t disagree with that. Small steps might be the way though?
29:45 absolutely disgusting coverage by the bbc dismissing the cost of living crisis
Don't fret it luv, they'll be back belaboring it 24-7 from tomo, so just keep glued to your *iPhone, Macbook Pro and 85" 4K flat* and you should be fine(!) 🤫🤫🤫🦊🦊
Queen Elizabeth managed to hit 96 when she died...
That's nothing because princess Diana hit 120...
Liz truss made a mistake she called Prince Charles King III before it was announced which is not allowed and Prince Charles could take the name George. This shows Liz does not take this seriously and was probably told and ignored the detail this was pointing out on the BBC that Liz is not allowed to announce King Charles III until the Prince said due to protcal and he could take the name of George
17:20 AFAIU BBC World News correspondent Yalda Hakim tweeted at 3:07 pm that the queen had died, before deleting it & apologising a few minutes later. So it's more than likely the official announcement was embargoed for a good few hours till 6.30 pm.
'through thick and thing?' (truss)
Y’all are so disrespectful. You obviously don’t understand how important this woman is in history
why?
Charles doesn't even have half of the respect the Queen commanded. Expect further strife ahead.
Respect!😂😂😂
Americans should Never be Monarchists
I loved the stuff from ash regarding the strained relations between monarchs and heirs and the strangeness of royal succession.
When I read the almost bullying tone from the media and social media platforms about how I should join in with their mourning I remind myself of that picture of the sweet old lady bashing that pheasant to death, and it jolts me back to reality.
Bullying tone 😂😂😂😂
Born under Empire, died under Brexit. Many monarchs would not have submitted to such a fate. _(So here's to you Mrs. Robinson...)_
Let's hope Charles III won't accept any lie from Truss or the next Tory PM at face value, as Elizabeth did from Boris.
I'm a Socialist and a monarchist. Think back to the 80s - would you rather have had Her Majesty or President Maggie Thatcher?
Brian Miller
Neither, think we're all old enough to self Govern .
As bad as Thatcher was, she didn't come with her whole extended family expecting to be kept in luxury by the taxpayers. What's more to the point it was possible to vote her out.
@@tonymarshmarsh9176
But she did fast track her Arms Dealer son Mark with sweetheart deals ,she ended up living in a 10m quid house didn't do to bad .
Neither.
you are not a socialist
It would be interesting now to hear an update about republican versus monarchy deelings in GB 😒
Lots for all of the UK to think about and ponder during your long cold winter ahead. Elizabethan Republican gay Australian lefty here. Wishing you all the best and I hope you make it through everything you have got yourselves into. Best of luck, if it keeps getting worse why not come and migrate here! Better weather better wages AND we still have King Charles. 😜
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I think you guys did well to strike the right tone here. Great job!
My heart goes out to Mrs Windsor's family, and to all those who suffered a similar loss today.
Piece and love miss queen rest in piece , miss queen although you past away hi still love you.
For gods sake the body not cold yet. Critcism of the role of Monarchy in a modern state is a valid subject but could'nt it wait till after the funeral?
Something I find interesting is that, among other things, Charles has suddenly become head of the Church of England. In the past he made a statement that he wanted to be defender of faiths rather than defender of the faith. There has been speculation that he is closer to being something like a druid or a agan than a Church of England Christian. Could this eventually lead to disestablishment of the church? This is something which I would welcome, and which I believe would be good for both church and state.
the show will go on
A journalist pal of mine who was there has told me on that apparently she had a stroke. Might have something to with the mobility issue references. He might be wrong but this got out to several people
A brilliant analysis. Ash's contribution was spot on.
I think she died days ago, they just had to delay it due to the timing of putting in the PM.
Expected better from Novera….her lot do us no favours along with the Politicians who defend the status quo !
Yes you were respectful in your report of her passing but could’ve just been watching the BBC imo…..oh well then ☹️
Yeah, it's a bit disappointing.
Yes rather. Very disappointed in the coverage. It’s a good time for England to return all the stolen treasures, and make amends and come to the realisation that they are really a piss ant country now, full of stolen ideas, peoples and treasures and very little else. But that isn’t just the torries it’s all of them.
even though the monkey died the show must go on
As someone who has half Jamaican and Kenyan heritage; I’m smoking on dat lizz pack, dat lizzalatto, dat lizzscotti, dat lizzon haze, dat lizzdawg that OG lizz kush (loudest strain) and who ever don’t like it can hop in my 3.5
Curious times but the ☀ Sun still shines
Minefield successfully navigated with your principles (and bollocks) still intact.