Kanbei is so strong, that it has become a unit of measure to determine what level of strength a military unit has with phrases like "this recon is as strong as one of Kanbei" or "it has as much defense as Kanbei's statistics". Hilarious.
Hello! It's me, the Grit player. I noticed several mistakes across the match, but damn, you finished so quick. Thanks for featuring me on your channel!
I know im late but Grit is the kind of CO who gets stronger t he longer a game drags giben hed likely get critical mass in,arties and rockets at some point
Unit repairing is an integral part of Advance Wars, what I assume Mangs does believe is that it only should be done if absolutely neccessary or if it's important for a given strategy, some players seem to overuse this mechanic which results in units being taken out of position and eat income unnecessarily
@@k-berry8771 Yes, there are many situations where repairs are definitely worth it. Mangs worded it poorly in his past videos that you should never ever repair your units, and he's cursed to correct and clarify it to people again and again.
While Grit should always try to maximize the longevity of his infantry so they can protect the indirects, I notice that it's even more important on this map, with only three bases for production. If you lose too many infantry, you're both capped on how quickly you can replace them--and doing so prevents you from deploying other needed units.
while it was interesting to finally see a grit player, I feel like he played really poorly (not trying to be mean, just see it as is).. again I would REALLY love to see YOU play grit and utalize his playstyle to the best of your abilities. same as you did with sensei, which was SO cool to see.
Taking 2 HP off a recon (800 G) and losing 4-6 HP off your infantry sounds like a good trade but infantry are worth more than their 1000 G price would suggest. Throw away too many like this and you'll be in a bad position
I don't have a lick of tactical skill (I can't even get past the tutorial section of really easy strategy games), so I really appreciate your commentary and explanations! I went looking for Advance Wars videos in the hopes of learning at least a bit about tactics, and I'm glad I found your channel! Your outline of the various plays on both sides is helping me to grasp what's going on, and is making me think about what I would do in various situations; I find this much more productive than any other attempt to study tactics I've tried. Happily subscribed :)
It's interesting just how valuable Unit Count is, not just total money on the field. Especially in Fog of War, the map presence that having more units gives you lets you scout the enemy easier and block or trap their units in return. I wonder if it's ever worthwhile to retreat Infantry to heal on cities. Maybe in a situation where you are very limited on bases compared to your income?
At higher levels in awbw, this is a fairly common move. Of course this doesn't mean heal up every inf, and there cna be cases when it will screw you over such as delaying your tank timings, but in general repairs are viewed favorably if it doesn't disrupt key builds.
Each unit is another target that must be taken down, it doesn't matter if a unit deals 50 or 200 damage, they still have to spend an entire turn to dish it out. So if the unit deals like 8 to infantry, any infantry is as good of a meat shield as any regardless of HP Let's say you have a neo tank, but the path is blocked by 3 infantry. That's at LEAST 3 turns your neotank was out of service, and it only costed the enemy 3000. It's why retreating to heal is not as valuable, there's no point in removing a unit for 1 or more turns just to save up a small amount when they could be providing value by just taking up space
Max undeniably has the edge on this maps where you have to build your army from the ground. Grit really is scary in campaign since he has predeployed indirects on hiding places.
@@JackfrostAtreidesOmegaXZero As Mengs said, moving indirects is the real hassle, they're slow and cannot attack while they get in position. So having units pre-deployed is a big boon
Mangs, one can tell you've been putting tons of work into your channel lately. We love the AW content and I'm sure it will pay off if it's not doing so already. Cheers, may the youtube algorithm bless you
The virgin Grit The CHAD Max When Grit is down to one artillery has to build two MD Tanks to stave off the directs that's probably a sign he should just yield.
@@originalname5131 Not true, neither Max nor Grit ever dated Nell, but both had a crush on her, however Grit didn't want to get into Max's way and ruin their friendship so he left Orange Star
YES! Grit is my favorite CEO, has been since games came out. And have always loved the parallel between him and Max, not to mention the Dualstrike fun when they tag team!
Just found this channel and I'm hyped. I've missed this game, hits me right in the nostalgia. I haven't played it since I was little and I never got into advanced tactics or theory crafting back in the day. This is a refreshing new eye on the material. I also like your voice and screen presence, you keep things interesting and engaging without being distractingly overboard like some RUclipsrs sometimes are.
AWBW strum is AW1 strum, so he's actually pretty weak. I think he was rated bottom of A(and even that's mostly due to his terrain ignoring movement), while sensei is at top of A.
Long time watcher, first comment. Can't say there was much of a chance of Grit pulling through this one, he doesn't have enough choke points to really shine and Max is Max just capable of steamrolling whatever barrier grit could attempt. Would like to see some more matches with that Drake player.
I'm sorry dude but a match like this grit needs a handicap, better yet lets see you play grit vs a competent hyper aggressive Max. Now that I would love to see
This map is definitely not horrible for grit, maybe if there was an airport I could see it but with no airport grit can do just fine here, it's just the grit player made some mistakes and in general got outplayed. If anything the 25-day limit may nerf him more than the map, but that didn't come into effect because he got absolutely crushed
@@kingarthur3236 i wish i could see it, I'm a casual tactics guy always playing campaigns. In my uninformed opinion this match seems skewed given the co's. i thought a handicap for the opposition would be interesting.
He valued your recon a higher threat not only due to the visibility it gave, but the fact it could rip his artillery apart if he let it run free. That and the damage he'd taken from his infantry was probably what you've had done to him anyway if given the chance. In his mind, he was making the decision of when he was taking the damage rather than leaving it up to you Mangs.
I don't disagree with his early game decision to attack recon with infantry but throughout the match, he pretty much just yolo'ed all his infantry. Because of that, I doubt he was even thinking that strategically about that first play, it seems like he just yolo's his stuff in general.
10:50 Attacking the Recon with the infantry from the forest, I get. It'll keep it from one-shotting healthy infantry, and the forest gives some cover from the counter attack. It's on a shoal too, so you get a good value attack. I don't even mind revealing the artillery. It's not like your opponent isn't expecting artillery. Attacking it from the shoal, though? That was a mistake. He should've kept it one space back on the plain. With every other infantry in that area in place, the recon still wouldn't have been able to hit the artillery. Then, mangs would be forced to either a) hit one of the infantry, at which point the artillery could just blast it away, maybe leaving it with 1 HP if it was sat on the city or forest, or b) retreat the recon, which allows Grit to keep his healthy infantry and reposition his artillery. Maybe not the best course of action, but with a recon in the area and only the artillery as an answer, there's not much you can do. Yeah, a stealthy approach would've been better, and looking at the rest of the match, that was something he definitely had problems with.
Max and grit is likes a brain vs brawn Max: the agressive guy who can destroy everything in his path without strategie Grit: the guy who outsmart the brute guy for example grit can hides his artilery in places where the brute won't expect like forest and take out max tanks with his indirects Sometimes brain wins agains't brawn but sometimes you can get the opposite
Mangs needs to play on larger maps. Just a few squares wider and/or taller can change how certain COs function. Fuel cost becomes a concern, units spread out and the player has to micromanage smaller battlegroups more, and players are much more likely to infiltrate small attack forces behind enemy lines. If you play on small maps all the time you're making the games more predictable and less challenging.
Even on huge maps I very very rarely find myself thinking "oh I'm running low on fuel right no", and even if I somehow am, I'm gonna have APCs around cause they'll be transporting Infantry all over the place, so no, fuel isn't a concern.
I'm not a fog fan but I played on this map and I thought it was a very good, well-balanced map. There are a lot of fog maps that I feel are way too gimmicky or weighted to favor COs like Grit, Sonja, or Lash, but this one's pretty generally good. Even if you don't play with fog, this is a good map to help balance out Grit. He's still strong, especially because there are no airports, but not overwhelmingly so.
This video has inspired me to play this match up against my friends. None of us are very good at advance wars, so I'm sure it will be interesting! Another excellent video, mangs!
These 2 CO's counter each other out pretty well when played at an even Skill level. Ive beaten Grit 3 times with Olaf so far. His range is annoying to Deal with but manegeable. Nice vid. Keep em rolling Mangs
grit can win 13000 to 18000 the point of the grit is no longer economy, it is building up that critical mass of range units, because you could just product infantry on 2 factory and 1 arty on the last one. and you would still be saving money for your rocket
My other hobby is wargaming. Max vs Grit is like NATO vs the Warsaw Pact: The first has higher quality units. The second emphasizes a ton of artillery and walls of SAMs.
So in that first recon attack on the shores I assumed your opponent was trying to box you away from the artillery. This would allow the artillery to still operate in the north (otherwise you could have circled the infantry). But then he combined his infantry in the north, moved the arty south and kept attacking with inf. No idea.
Maxtillery spam to the front line would be a bigger flex than neotanks. It basically says "I'm already winning far enough that I can just buy this and still win"
YES, this is what i been hopping for you to do also, just in general, more advance wars by web castings, i honestly could just binge watch all these episodes many times over
I legit only clicked thumbs up because Mangs finally used "shoot *at"* instead of "shoot *on".* It's as if he's learning how to English! ... If only just that one time.
@@rosheafan "Fire on"?? Really? I've heard "fire at x", but never "fire on x". (I mean, "open fire on x", sure, but not "fire on x" unless there was an actual fire.)
Congratulations on calling him unique and not just a bone head for that beginning artillery play, it looks incredibly bad and not the move that should've been made. Hahaha, you're too polite man.
10:00 well, 2 hp on a recon, thats.. 4000, 400*2, so 800 lost while 5 hp on a infantry thats .. 1000, 100*5, so 500 lost so it was definetly worth shooting the recon with the infantry (atleast if you only consider raw money cost)
Except Recon get most of their value from vision, which is unaffected by damage. Meanwhile, the infantry get significant value from being able to capture cities, which is crippled by damage. None of the high HP recon/infantry trades were good for the infantry.
Infantry is your economy, it is like a worker in an RTS. You can't keep it protected, but you def. can't treat it as disposable either. At least until you get enough caps
@@theblackantonio i wouldn't say unplayable, i would say "Without the upper hand" down to a more fair play. Because he can still use his artillery for zoning, which with his higher range he is honestly better at it. Might have some downs obviously, but also some ups. Would say it's decent.
It could be interesting to do those videos with the people you played with, that way instead of saying "I don't why he did this, it was pretty weird" you could ask the player and have him explaining why he did some of his plays, having two point of views would be rad
I think it is sad that the dual strike of max and grit doesnt goes to 133.7% synergy . And to answer your question I do it Kanbei style: " if you archers got ambushed and don't use Bushido they are unoathfull " "If your samurai cant use a bow they will end their hunt hungry. Use Bushido"
"How about that? Muscle really does win a match!" "Well I'll be dipped in tar. I coulda sworn that my artillery woulda made you back down." "What? You think I'd retreat at the sight of an exposed unit? I may not be good at utilizing them but I know that you don't let your enemy see indirect units!" "It may be a one-dimensional strategy but whoowee is it hard to stop those tanks when they get rollin'!" "Who's calling who one-dimensional?!"
wait wait wait! There's a channel about advance wars?!?!?! There's still an audience for advance wars?!?!?! Dude this is one of my go-to games back in the GBA days! How did I just discover this channel now?!?!?!?
I would love to see a match with Javier. I'm currently completing a Dual Strike safe file, and I love the guy. Granted, it's only single player and I do use skills, but he seems indestructible.
I think both Max and Grit are equally powerful in the hands of an experienced player. But if two newbies were to play this match up, I think the Max player would have the edge as it should be clear that you will have to be aggressive early on. But the right player on Grit will have a chance to try and prevent this
I'd argue that a newbie Grit player would have the advantage because it's a lot easier to hide in forests and snipe than it is to keep track of where threats are.
@@TheFinalChapters Yeah thats true, then it will come down to who has the better scouting or stealth. Either way, I think most Max vs Grit match ups should be entertaining and balanced in terms of power
What I think he thought by damaging that recon and putting that artillery there was to discourage you from pushing, as in, "ok so either you leave us alone or your recon is dead next turn"
I've played as, and against a handful of Grits so far. The biggest Issue I have, and see, is the balance of indirects to directs. I make to many directs which makes it easy for my opponent to break me, and my opponents make to many indirects, and a good recon or two, is enough to break through them. Do you have any general advice for balancing the two as Grit?
As soon as you said it was 25 day limit I knew there was NO way Grit would be able to win that. It should be around 35 for a fairer matchup. Grit is so high in the tier list because he outlives most of the COs if the game keeps going, but he is mediocre for a low day limit like that.
@@kentknightofcaelin4537 He was a bad Grit player and he would have lost either way. But if he was a good Grit player he would have lost because of that short limit, since it's much harder for Grit to grab properties in the middle even if his economy is smashing yours because of the profit from indirects
I would play this match up all the time when I was a kid because me and my dad would play together. He would main Max and I would main Grit and I hardly ever won, mainly because I was a stupid kid and not an adult but my dad would always go easy on me. With the remake coming out I can't wait to play may dad again and see how good I am now with more experience.
Always nice to see a hero Max take down villain Grit. Even if I spent half the battle screaming at the Grit player "WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?!" xD
You've often lowkey called a lot of past opponents bad but I always felt like that was often kinda unfair. Most of your past opponents were pretty good, maybe it's just because I actually play grit but I feel like this guy played awfully. There's so many mistakes in the early game he basically screwed up and made it unwinnable off the start.
Sorry for late upload. I was making tacos.
Mmm... Tacos
Understandable
Was upset for a sec there but tacos are a good reason
Can i have some?
Mmm tacos,
Kanbei is so strong, that it has become a unit of measure to determine what level of strength a military unit has with phrases like "this recon is as strong as one of Kanbei" or "it has as much defense as Kanbei's statistics". Hilarious.
I can kinda see it as a thing, lul
_Max's Recon's strength is worth 80 Kanbei, which is good, but not good enough_ 😏
The man canonically has the best trained, most well payed forces in AW. Yet, he's still such a goober lol
I did 20'000 Kanbei . Isnt that aladeen ?
KES is now a standard unit of measurement for advance wars
If a unit is 1 kes. That means it is 1 Kanbei's Equivalent Strength
"Ah yes, this recon measures a 0.8 on the Kanbei scale. Very powerful."
Hello! It's me, the Grit player. I noticed several mistakes across the match, but damn, you finished so quick.
Thanks for featuring me on your channel!
U know what, ur a cool guy. Being sporty about it.
@@maynardlimbaco2506 a real grit, if you will
Ah, so you’re aggressively cringe!
i mean if he let it drag out grit would just win. he had to prevent some kind of critical mass
I know im late but Grit is the kind of CO who gets stronger t he longer a game drags giben hed likely get critical mass in,arties and rockets at some point
I legitimately could never get tired of AWBW commentaries.
Play as Rachel next! She's my favorite!
Mangs has great AWBW content, but there’s also another new channel called CO Select that has AWBW commentaries
@@Poo_Brain_Horse based
Needs to play Rachel on a map without alot of forest so someone can play as AW1 Sturm.
Nukes vs Meteors!!!
he is too stupid to do so unfortunately
This is the second replay where mangs makes an analogy that is at the same time horrendous and perfect for describing a matchup
he could've just said it was like tom and jerry
@@Eltrotraw max and grit kinda have tom and jerry vibes too lol
It wouldn't be a Mangs AWBW match without him stating "I don't usually like to repair units, BUT..."
Unit repairing is an integral part of Advance Wars, what I assume Mangs does believe is that it only should be done if absolutely neccessary or if it's important for a given strategy, some players seem to overuse this mechanic which results in units being taken out of position and eat income unnecessarily
@@k-berry8771 Yes, there are many situations where repairs are definitely worth it. Mangs worded it poorly in his past videos that you should never ever repair your units, and he's cursed to correct and clarify it to people again and again.
Infantry constantly attacking recons, you could say it was "Aggressively cringe"
Cringely aggressive*
TENNO HEIKA-
These are quickly becoming my most anticipated videos on all of youtube!
Ditto. Mangs is doing a great job putting out content.
true! they really are
When the world needed the most, awbw replay commentaries came back! More pls :)
Fun fact that probably everyone here knows: Drake and Eagle are also opposites.
So is Colin and Kanbei.
Nell and Flak
But only one of them is good
The other one is fish food
*SO FUCKING UNF-*
Maybe i seem weird but i always thought Sonja and Olaf are opposites because of their weather shenanigans
@@Albortomagico sonja doesn't manipulate weather
While Grit should always try to maximize the longevity of his infantry so they can protect the indirects, I notice that it's even more important on this map, with only three bases for production. If you lose too many infantry, you're both capped on how quickly you can replace them--and doing so prevents you from deploying other needed units.
Three bases is pretty much standard in modern AW maps. The old seven base standard of SFW went way too far in incentivizing infantry spam.
while it was interesting to finally see a grit player, I feel like he played really poorly (not trying to be mean, just see it as is).. again I would REALLY love to see YOU play grit and utalize his playstyle to the best of your abilities. same as you did with sensei, which was SO cool to see.
Taking 2 HP off a recon (800 G) and losing 4-6 HP off your infantry sounds like a good trade but infantry are worth more than their 1000 G price would suggest. Throw away too many like this and you'll be in a bad position
I think it's a better trade later on in the game, but not early game. Those infantry are worth the gold that they can get from capping
Infantry are the workers of AW, they are your economy
especially in fog of war, infantry are way more valuable than 1000g
I don't have a lick of tactical skill (I can't even get past the tutorial section of really easy strategy games), so I really appreciate your commentary and explanations! I went looking for Advance Wars videos in the hopes of learning at least a bit about tactics, and I'm glad I found your channel! Your outline of the various plays on both sides is helping me to grasp what's going on, and is making me think about what I would do in various situations; I find this much more productive than any other attempt to study tactics I've tried.
Happily subscribed :)
ayame!
Max: look what I found an unprotected artillery, I'm going to create a mountain of recons to destroy it!
It's interesting just how valuable Unit Count is, not just total money on the field. Especially in Fog of War, the map presence that having more units gives you lets you scout the enemy easier and block or trap their units in return.
I wonder if it's ever worthwhile to retreat Infantry to heal on cities. Maybe in a situation where you are very limited on bases compared to your income?
At higher levels in awbw, this is a fairly common move. Of course this doesn't mean heal up every inf, and there cna be cases when it will screw you over such as delaying your tank timings, but in general repairs are viewed favorably if it doesn't disrupt key builds.
Each unit is another target that must be taken down, it doesn't matter if a unit deals 50 or 200 damage, they still have to spend an entire turn to dish it out. So if the unit deals like 8 to infantry, any infantry is as good of a meat shield as any regardless of HP
Let's say you have a neo tank, but the path is blocked by 3 infantry. That's at LEAST 3 turns your neotank was out of service, and it only costed the enemy 3000.
It's why retreating to heal is not as valuable, there's no point in removing a unit for 1 or more turns just to save up a small amount when they could be providing value by just taking up space
Cat and mouse when the mouse has rocket artillery = exactly like Tom and Jerry
Sweet, these Advance Wars pvp videos have become some of my favorite RUclips content!
Likewise! These are really fun to watch.
Its an amazing series. I learn so much. Well done mangs 👍.
Same here.
Max undeniably has the edge on this maps where you have to build your army from the ground. Grit really is scary in campaign since he has predeployed indirects on hiding places.
Not really.
@@JackfrostAtreidesOmegaXZero As Mengs said, moving indirects is the real hassle, they're slow and cannot attack while they get in position.
So having units pre-deployed is a big boon
@@rompevuevitos222 But if You play good your cards, Is possible can destroy your enemy just with that.
That neotank you built at the end was clutch. There's no way you could have pulled off a win without it haha
Choose one of the four games
Five nights at wario
Insanity
The return to freddy
Or five nights at candy
@@soulhoney1227 the FNaF Franchise is obsolete and almost dying.
@@JudicialBrat yeah but i will be a fan nonethelesd
Mangs, one can tell you've been putting tons of work into your channel lately. We love the AW content and I'm sure it will pay off if it's not doing so already. Cheers, may the youtube algorithm bless you
The fact that you're using the Gray troops (considering their lore) makes this fight A HELLA A LOT MORE EPIC
They have lore??
The virgin Grit
The CHAD Max
When Grit is down to one artillery has to build two MD Tanks to stave off the directs that's probably a sign he should just yield.
Grit used to date Nell sooo He’s the real chad
@@originalname5131 Not true, neither Max nor Grit ever dated Nell, but both had a crush on her, however Grit didn't want to get into Max's way and ruin their friendship so he left Orange Star
@@elguaro3 grit is the chad "max's best man at the wedding"
YES! Grit is my favorite CEO, has been since games came out. And have always loved the parallel between him and Max, not to mention the Dualstrike fun when they tag team!
CO and CEO are.... Very different things.
@@RealityMasterRogue Not to Colin and Sasha. Actually, are any of them CEOs or just using money from their parents?
Just found this channel and I'm hyped.
I've missed this game, hits me right in the nostalgia. I haven't played it since I was little and I never got into advanced tactics or theory crafting back in the day. This is a refreshing new eye on the material.
I also like your voice and screen presence, you keep things interesting and engaging without being distractingly overboard like some RUclipsrs sometimes are.
We's the Hachi vs Sensei match? I want to see if Sensei can hold up to Hachi (and Sturm).
AWBW strum is AW1 strum, so he's actually pretty weak. I think he was rated bottom of A(and even that's mostly due to his terrain ignoring movement), while sensei is at top of A.
AWBW Sturm is advance wars 2 Sturm, with the defence. Not sure why you thought otherwise
@@josephzeigler6853 He has -20% atk instead of +20% atk. AW2 sturm literally does 1.5 times as much damage as AWBW sturm.
@@DrDrao Give him 4 coms and done.
Long time watcher, first comment. Can't say there was much of a chance of Grit pulling through this one, he doesn't have enough choke points to really shine and Max is Max just capable of steamrolling whatever barrier grit could attempt. Would like to see some more matches with that Drake player.
I'm sorry dude but a match like this grit needs a handicap, better yet lets see you play grit vs a competent hyper aggressive Max. Now that I would love to see
This map is definitely not horrible for grit, maybe if there was an airport I could see it but with no airport grit can do just fine here, it's just the grit player made some mistakes and in general got outplayed.
If anything the 25-day limit may nerf him more than the map, but that didn't come into effect because he got absolutely crushed
@@kingarthur3236 i wish i could see it, I'm a casual tactics guy always playing campaigns. In my uninformed opinion this match seems skewed given the co's. i thought a handicap for the opposition would be interesting.
He valued your recon a higher threat not only due to the visibility it gave, but the fact it could rip his artillery apart if he let it run free. That and the damage he'd taken from his infantry was probably what you've had done to him anyway if given the chance. In his mind, he was making the decision of when he was taking the damage rather than leaving it up to you Mangs.
I don't disagree with his early game decision to attack recon with infantry but throughout the match, he pretty much just yolo'ed all his infantry. Because of that, I doubt he was even thinking that strategically about that first play, it seems like he just yolo's his stuff in general.
That analogy was great. I watched Tom and Jerry so it totally made sense. 0:15
10:50 Attacking the Recon with the infantry from the forest, I get. It'll keep it from one-shotting healthy infantry, and the forest gives some cover from the counter attack. It's on a shoal too, so you get a good value attack. I don't even mind revealing the artillery. It's not like your opponent isn't expecting artillery.
Attacking it from the shoal, though? That was a mistake. He should've kept it one space back on the plain. With every other infantry in that area in place, the recon still wouldn't have been able to hit the artillery. Then, mangs would be forced to either
a) hit one of the infantry, at which point the artillery could just blast it away, maybe leaving it with 1 HP if it was sat on the city or forest, or
b) retreat the recon, which allows Grit to keep his healthy infantry and reposition his artillery.
Maybe not the best course of action, but with a recon in the area and only the artillery as an answer, there's not much you can do. Yeah, a stealthy approach would've been better, and looking at the rest of the match, that was something he definitely had problems with.
Max and grit is likes a brain vs brawn
Max: the agressive guy who can destroy everything in his path without strategie
Grit: the guy who outsmart the brute guy for example grit can hides his artilery in places where the brute won't expect like forest and take out max tanks with his indirects
Sometimes brain wins agains't brawn but sometimes you can get the opposite
Thats more Max vs Sonja.
The Grit in this match definitely did not represent the brains too well lol.
I absolutely love these PvP replays. Very fun and engaging!
Mangs needs to play on larger maps. Just a few squares wider and/or taller can change how certain COs function.
Fuel cost becomes a concern, units spread out and the player has to micromanage smaller battlegroups more, and players are much more likely to infiltrate small attack forces behind enemy lines. If you play on small maps all the time you're making the games more predictable and less challenging.
Fuel cost is almost never a concern imao
@@meathir4921Submarines
@@meathir4921 In Machinist Andy's Opinion? But he doesn't even know what an airport is!
Even on huge maps I very very rarely find myself thinking "oh I'm running low on fuel right no", and even if I somehow am, I'm gonna have APCs around cause they'll be transporting Infantry all over the place, so no, fuel isn't a concern.
@@alexeduardo1898 Lmao naval units are garbage unless the map forces them
I like how this came out fairly soon after I finished watching your video of you fighting that guy who underestimated you
One match up I really wanna see is Kanbia Vs Colin
every week mangs gets closer to admitting you should just always get repairs and this time it was artillery.
Fun game:drink every time he says "I don't normally like sending units to be repaired, but..."
I'm not a fog fan but I played on this map and I thought it was a very good, well-balanced map. There are a lot of fog maps that I feel are way too gimmicky or weighted to favor COs like Grit, Sonja, or Lash, but this one's pretty generally good. Even if you don't play with fog, this is a good map to help balance out Grit. He's still strong, especially because there are no airports, but not overwhelmingly so.
This video has inspired me to play this match up against my friends. None of us are very good at advance wars, so I'm sure it will be interesting! Another excellent video, mangs!
I would be really interested in seeing you play the other side of this matchup.
These 2 CO's counter each other out pretty well when played at an even Skill level. Ive beaten Grit 3 times with Olaf so far. His range is annoying to Deal with but manegeable. Nice vid. Keep em rolling Mangs
What really crippled him was the showcase of his indirects, the infantry play and the capture game.
13000 to 18000 income was insane.
grit can win 13000 to 18000 the point of the grit is no longer economy, it is building up that critical mass of range units, because you could just product infantry on 2 factory and 1 arty on the last one. and you would still be saving money for your rocket
35:45 "I activate my third Max Force" Stop it Mangs, he's already dead!
Missed opportunity not calling it "Grit vs Wit".
16:50 I think the most common bug in replays for moves to not be shown is when units get trapped. I notice that issue in my replays as well.
It is I, the average grit enjoyer *insert chad face*
My other hobby is wargaming. Max vs Grit is like NATO vs the Warsaw Pact: The first has higher quality units. The second emphasizes a ton of artillery and walls of SAMs.
So in that first recon attack on the shores I assumed your opponent was trying to box you away from the artillery. This would allow the artillery to still operate in the north (otherwise you could have circled the infantry). But then he combined his infantry in the north, moved the arty south and kept attacking with inf. No idea.
Your analogy was almost spot on.
Just think of the mouse as the one with the mouse traps.
Disappointed that we don’t get to see Maxtillery
Yeah we needed that to counter the Grit medium tank
Maxtillery spam to the front line would be a bigger flex than neotanks. It basically says "I'm already winning far enough that I can just buy this and still win"
@@zeroyuki92 for sure 😂
Didn't surrender until the very end, i guess you can say he had...
A lot of grit
Would love to see you play this again as the grit player!
These themed matches are so good. Please do more
YES, this is what i been hopping for you to do
also, just in general, more advance wars by web castings, i honestly could just binge watch all these episodes many times over
Lateness has evolved
Not only streams, but also videos
At this point I've heard Mangs explain an exception to the "don't ever repair rule" more often than pointing out "this is why you don't repair"
It's a rule of thumb, most of implementing it correctly is about learning the exceptions.
I legit only clicked thumbs up because Mangs finally used "shoot *at"* instead of "shoot *on".* It's as if he's learning how to English!
... If only just that one time.
@@rosheafan "Fire on"?? Really? I've heard "fire at x", but never "fire on x". (I mean, "open fire on x", sure, but not "fire on x" unless there was an actual fire.)
Nice! Love some Advance Wars commentary in the background while I play Fire Emblem
cat and mouse works, although Tom and Jerry wouldve been more precise
Thanks Mangs for making love again a game from childhood
Congratulations on calling him unique and not just a bone head for that beginning artillery play, it looks incredibly bad and not the move that should've been made. Hahaha, you're too polite man.
Cat vs Mouse, but mouse has a gun
0:06
Max: RIGHT INTO MY DIRECT HIT!
0:11
Grit: indirect lovers son!
10:00 well, 2 hp on a recon, thats.. 4000, 400*2, so 800 lost
while 5 hp on a infantry thats .. 1000, 100*5, so 500 lost
so it was definetly worth shooting the recon with the infantry
(atleast if you only consider raw money cost)
Except Recon get most of their value from vision, which is unaffected by damage.
Meanwhile, the infantry get significant value from being able to capture cities, which is crippled by damage.
None of the high HP recon/infantry trades were good for the infantry.
Infantry is your economy, it is like a worker in an RTS.
You can't keep it protected, but you def. can't treat it as disposable either. At least until you get enough caps
Ive played AV thru all the titles. But I'm learning so much! Thanks for your content boss! One of these days Ill get the gumption to challenge ya!
I'd say grit would win on the majority of maps if two equally skilled players played them, but it is a close match
FoW works in Grit's favour quite a lot, I'd say. A well placed Rocket and/or Missile can be a massive headache for his opponent to deal with.
Well playing without FoW let's you not scout for enemies so they are easier targets so to me it's fair game
Grit is completely unplayable without fog.
@@theblackantonio i wouldn't say unplayable, i would say "Without the upper hand" down to a more fair play.
Because he can still use his artillery for zoning, which with his higher range he is honestly better at it.
Might have some downs obviously, but also some ups.
Would say it's decent.
@@merlin9845 barely playable on maps which favor indirects. However he also loses to tank rushes, fast copters etc.
It could be interesting to do those videos with the people you played with, that way instead of saying "I don't why he did this, it was pretty weird" you could ask the player and have him explaining why he did some of his plays, having two point of views would be rad
As a Gauge player when Days of Ruin was online, this game reminds me of my early games vs Tabitha.
don't tell me you recklessly throw your infantries into enemy units too...
Ah, Grit, the embodyment of the maginot line…
Good thing there's no Belgium on Wars World.
Seems like a player who was used to playing as a different CO and gave Grit a shot for fun.
I think it is sad that the dual strike of max and grit doesnt goes to 133.7% synergy .
And to answer your question I do it Kanbei style:
" if you archers got ambushed and don't use Bushido they are unoathfull "
"If your samurai cant use a bow they will end their hunt hungry. Use Bushido"
"How about that? Muscle really does win a match!"
"Well I'll be dipped in tar. I coulda sworn that my artillery woulda made you back down."
"What? You think I'd retreat at the sight of an exposed unit? I may not be good at utilizing them but I know that you don't let your enemy see indirect units!"
"It may be a one-dimensional strategy but whoowee is it hard to stop those tanks when they get rollin'!"
"Who's calling who one-dimensional?!"
wait wait wait! There's a channel about advance wars?!?!?! There's still an audience for advance wars?!?!?! Dude this is one of my go-to games back in the GBA days! How did I just discover this channel now?!?!?!?
Max and Grit argue over who gets Nell 2021 colorized.
Love these replays
Mad lad attacked a mech on a mountain with a tank.
I would love to see a match with Javier. I'm currently completing a Dual Strike safe file, and I love the guy. Granted, it's only single player and I do use skills, but he seems indestructible.
Grit is a high capped CO.If noob players use Grit, they just gonna get destroyed
10:31 The opponent literally lives up to his username.
I think both Max and Grit are equally powerful in the hands of an experienced player. But if two newbies were to play this match up, I think the Max player would have the edge as it should be clear that you will have to be aggressive early on. But the right player on Grit will have a chance to try and prevent this
I'd argue that a newbie Grit player would have the advantage because it's a lot easier to hide in forests and snipe than it is to keep track of where threats are.
@@TheFinalChapters Yeah thats true, then it will come down to who has the better scouting or stealth. Either way, I think most Max vs Grit match ups should be entertaining and balanced in terms of power
It would be fun to watch you go up against Max with Grit to see how it's done if you cannot find any good Grit players to challenge you.
What I think he thought by damaging that recon and putting that artillery there was to discourage you from pushing, as in, "ok so either you leave us alone or your recon is dead next turn"
0:18 oh so Tom and Jerry basically
Holy . I did not know that we could play advance war online !
I've played as, and against a handful of Grits so far. The biggest Issue I have, and see, is the balance of indirects to directs. I make to many directs which makes it easy for my opponent to break me, and my opponents make to many indirects, and a good recon or two, is enough to break through them. Do you have any general advice for balancing the two as Grit?
As soon as you said it was 25 day limit I knew there was NO way Grit would be able to win that. It should be around 35 for a fairer matchup. Grit is so high in the tier list because he outlives most of the COs if the game keeps going, but he is mediocre for a low day limit like that.
Realistically, what would he have done with a 35 day limit? His HQ woul've been captured regardless.
@@kentknightofcaelin4537 He was a bad Grit player and he would have lost either way. But if he was a good Grit player he would have lost because of that short limit, since it's much harder for Grit to grab properties in the middle even if his economy is smashing yours because of the profit from indirects
Max: THESE guns ain't for show *kissed biceps"
I say keep the AW content rolling
I would play this match up all the time when I was a kid because me and my dad would play together. He would main Max and I would main Grit and I hardly ever won, mainly because I was a stupid kid and not an adult but my dad would always go easy on me. With the remake coming out I can't wait to play may dad again and see how good I am now with more experience.
Always nice to see a hero Max take down villain Grit. Even if I spent half the battle screaming at the Grit player "WHAT THE HELL IS WRONG WITH YOU?!" xD
Are we not talking about the fact that the man's name is literally Ａｇｇｒｅｓｓｉｖｅｌｙ Ｃｒｉｎｇｅ
Correct that was my name
Next video, Grit vs Max! Show us the other side!
Tom and Jerry cartoon colorized.
18:00 the technical term you're looking for is "overlapping fields of fire"
I always hate going against a decent Grit player.
I love these videos!!
Dude really named himself Aggressively Cringe
You've often lowkey called a lot of past opponents bad but I always felt like that was often kinda unfair. Most of your past opponents were pretty good, maybe it's just because I actually play grit but I feel like this guy played awfully. There's so many mistakes in the early game he basically screwed up and made it unwinnable off the start.
In terms of commanders used it was a pretty balanced match