World's Smallest Snare Mic? | Neumann MCM114
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Mic Placements:
1-hh or snare
2- crotch mic for whole close drum capture
3- lowest tom
Hi hats and crotch placements would make for an interesting experiment!
They sound great but as you say, that price point is just too high for a multi-application mic. Spot micing in a classical music context sure, but for kit the price of these is just too high
Greetings from Berlin ...
Just went by the Neumann lab last week ...
As a sound engineer I would use them on the high toms and snare and get 2 TLM103 for your floor toms ... or try the Sennheiser e902 for those.
As for your negative points:
The modular setup in my view is a huge advantage, as you can easyly replace broken parts without loosing the whole microphone.
I have worked with the modular systems of Neumann (and Schoeps, another high end german microphone brand) for years and they are absolutely reliable.
Mic caught my eye. Kit & playing kept it
Brilliant review.
Yes a bundle for six shells would be great!
If I have 3 of those, 2 on rack toms and one on snare under. I like my 2011c on snare top and D6s on floor toms already,
For mic positioning, I would use 1 on the snare and the other 2 on the rack toms. Those would be the more essential pieces where these mics can be utilized well.
looks like dpa... Neumann you bad boy
Adam, I'd run 1 on the snare for sure. What are you running on the floor toms? DM20 on the 14" and still doing the D6 on the 15"? .
Correct! Though I’d like to get away from the D6 on the floor Tom. (I just ran out of DM20s lol.)
I thinking I need to run a low-end test between the DM20 of the MCM. I’m sure one of them will slightly favor the low end, which will help decide what makes sense for the floor toms.
Hi Adam, you might want to share with us your Kick Drum Technique on doing Double Stroke like the one you do in your Kick Stuttering video, it seems like your technique is different from others and also it's execution or on how you do it and it also looks more relaxing to use and doesn't wear you off easily. It looks like it's a modified version of a Heel-Toe Tech. but you don't use your heel only your toe. Thanks Adam.
👌🏼 Kick Technique lesson linked below.
www.orlandodrummer.com/videos/kick-technique
I use the Audix micro-d's they're great and affordable
You didn’t mention AKG C 518ML mics! I’ll stick with using the AKG C518 ML drum mics! They are just as small and better built. AKG C518 have better adjustable mount as well as having better stable support and also comes with a cable. AKG C518 ML mics are fraction of the cost.
When googling “gooseneck condenser drum mics” these didn’t come up at all. (AKG might have an SEO problem, lol.)
I take it you own both the MCM and the C518 to have run all these tests and comparisons, right?
You’ve made several concrete statements, but I’m not aware of any comparisons that exist online between those two mics.
Sadly those AKG have way worse performance. 31db of noise, which is a lot, they take just 132db, my experience with these on snare is they clip easily, and rear rejection is much worse than Neumann's, which means way more bleed from cymbals. But of course if they work for you it's great.
great mics! In case of the price, yeah they are Neumanns, you know that you have to pay more for their high quality products. I think it's fair. There are people that use akg 414 on each tom. you can easily get over the 4k price range on 4 toms with decend mics. I would use the MCM114 on Snare and the 2 rack toms, because of their nice high frequency response. I am a fan of kick drum mics (like the d6 f.e.) on my floor toms, so the range of the MCM114 wouldn't matter that much for me there. Their Limit SPL of 153 dB is crazy :D
I almost mentioned the 414s as an example. I actually used to have that setup - four of them on snare and toms. Embarrassingly expensive, but a surprising amount of bleed as well.
If budget isn’t a factor, I would recommend these all day for ultra-high end close mics. All the detail of a 414 with far more isolation.
The bleed was a factor in the studio why I ended up not using the 414s and stuck with dynamic mics. I like the low amount of bleed the Neumanns have tho, because they don't overemphasize a certain frequency and keep it all around natural.@@AdamTuminaro
May I ask what make or model is that snare with wooden hoops ?
Its his old signature drum called the Entity OD. AFAIK Entity drums no longer exists.
I know this is the wrong answer but I’d love to hear how they set up as overheads and room mics
I’ll save you the time - they’d sound awful. Lol.
Knowing myself, I would probably starve a couple of months to have them on my snare and all my toms 😂. But seriously, I would probably put one on the snare, one on my hihat and one on the highest tom. Lower toms would probably be OK with something else until my fasting bears fruit. (Did I get back to my original idea somehow…? 😊)
Looks nice but too expensive. I have on my drums the earthworks mics are works great on my studio. The only I don’t like on earthworks line is the bass drum mic. This is My humble opinion
lol i have a 7 pieces kit = $4900... no way!!
Agreed. As I said towards the end of the video, I think bundles / packs of these mics would be a very wise move. I doubt they’d offer a 7 piece, but even a 2 pack would save you tons of money.
Great is the price? 🤣😂🤣
Beyer Dynamic...
Shure…. AKG….
Naming random mic companies is a fun game. Who’s next?
$699 a piece? You would have to be one rich RUclips content creator or pro drummer to afford these.
Spending a few thousand dollars on tools for your job doesn’t make you “rich”.
Consider a mechanic buying a $3000 air compressor. A woodworker buying a $1300 miter saw. An electrician buying a $2000 tool chest.
You have to average the cost of the tool over the 10, 15, or 20 years you plan to use it. When you’re in your craft for the long haul, it’s a lot easier to spend the big bucks, because you know that all tools (should) eventually pay for themselves.
@@AdamTuminaro, agree. My personal experience: if you work with computers, it can easily get a lot more… Per needed device, of course.