I really find this frustrating, it's like they've swept 14 years of bad tory policy and brexit under a carpet, and labour are to blame, people are so fickle.
Winter heating allowance for pensioners means tested. Pensions under threat Shopping bills getting bigger Payslips getting smaller Holidays will soon be a thing of the past with Reeves' air tax rises. Economy tanking further. No companies want to to take a chance with the UK, because of the "Economist" Rachel Reeves awful budget. A two tier justice system A constantly absentee PM who buzzes off when the going gets tough. A disastrous energy crisis awaits when Milliband gets his green wet dream underway. But..... More taxpayers money for Ukraine to fuel the war and for Syrian "aid" (wonder how much will be invested in Syria and the rest pocketed for the new regimes personal use, eh?) More money for farmers outside of the UK BlackRock a dubious investment company seems to have its foot in the door even more so under Starmer. MPs can still have their winter heating allowance with no questions asked. So far... This is under Starmer's watch. And you have the gall to call folk fickle. How is your wallet fairing so far? Don't worry... It's early days yet.
100% agree Marina. The Tories have greed down to a fine art, however in my opinion no politician should be receiving any gifts or expenses. Ordinary working class people have to survive on what they earn.
All this outrage for taking the winter fuel allowance from those means tested to not need it, but where was this outrage when it was taken away from the poorest in society, without means testing it??
"You can't keep bring the Tories into it - they aren't in power anymore?" I'm sorry, what? For almost the entire time they were in government, any answer to any question thrown at them was "Remember when Labour were in power over a decade ago and did x/y/z?" Making comparisons to the Tories is, and will always be, absolutely fair game.
@KnowYoutheDukeofArgyll1841 so, if I go round stabbing people for 14 years, then give you the knife to hold for a few months - you basically murdered all those people and I did nothing?
The gifts to Starmer were completely within the law and the rules. The donation to Johnson for his flat refurb were not and he was forced to give the money back. The sum total of the donations made to Starmer over FIVE YEARS are eclipsed multiple times by SINGLE donations to Tory MPs. Forget Johnson, there's Jenrick who will probably be the next Tory leader. He has had £75000 given to him by a single donor who has much to gain financially from that investment.
Jeremy Vine tries to hide his love for the Tories but it keeps creeping out. I have to listen to him on the work radio and the way he speaks to Tories is different to how he speaks to anyone else. Like Alan Partridge when he talks to posh people. He is so out of touch presenting and discussing current affairs yet he host 2 shows on the subject. I complained to the BBC about him and they claimed he invited a broad range of guests on (Charlie Mullins, Mike Parry etc.)
What about the Tories only giving 4% on the triple lock when it should have been 8% as per inflation which was the highest. That cost pensions hundreds, far more than the fuel allowance. The trouble is people are thick as mince and swallow this ridiculous attack from the media. The two governments are being held to completely different standards.
The usual trick on these programmes of the Tory caller, the Labour guest tries to talk and the Tory guest keeps interrupting to stop the point being heard. It’s a disease. Inherited from Trump.
Totally agree with Marina. I have been saying for years that anyone donating to a political party should be automatically excluding themselves from government contracts, high paying consultancy jobs and honours of any level. I would go further and extend it to their family members too, so that they cannot get rewards in a roundabout way. Donations equal bribes.
@@kingbeef5076 Well to start with they've been in power five minutes and parliament has just returned from recess, then there's been riots, pay disputes to settle, policy announcements, party conference and at least a couple of minutes to draw breath. Or more simply, bigger priorities to deal with rather than scraping the barrel for a story.
the tory party suffered their biggest defeat on July the 4th...but strangely, it still feels as if the tory party are still in power. Not because of what labour have been doing, or not doing over the last two months...it just feels like they simply won't go away. Like sh*t stuck to a shoe.
Marina asks this important issue while ex footballer who is one of the thickest panelist I`ve ever seen on the equally thick Vine show just interrupts " the tories arn`t in power now " jeeesus H Christ
Is Starmer right or wrong to accept clothes and glasses - its wrong. Are Labour right to take £300 off rich pensioners - yes, but they needed to set the means testing to a higher income level than they have, or delayed until next winter. Are the media completely taking a different approach between Labour and the Tories - yes, absolutely and it stinks. Listen to Jeremy Vine - its completely wrong for Starmer to take clothes.....but its fair Boris accepted donations for peerages because thats a Tory tradition.
Except Starmers donations were declared under the rules while Johnson’s flat renovation was not declared and he tried to deny he even knew who made the donation. I know which one I think is worse. And all parties are largely funded by donations so if you ban all donations then the taxpayer will have to foot the bill. I would agree that the current rules need complete reform though.
@@GamSin1981 And to some extent I agree. Donations muddy the water. It’s hard to tell if they are for legitimate support or personal gain. But they do fund the parties and without them, the taxpayer would have to. That might not be a bad thing if properly structured and administrated, but it would not alone remove corruption. I don’t agree that both parties are as bad as each other though. The Tories are demonstrably far more corrupt than Labour. That’s not to say Labour are saintly innocents, because they are not, but definitely not as bad as the Tories.
They're not in power anymore??? That's a defence?? So, if someone commits corruption and criminality whilst working for a company and then leaves the company for someone else to fix the problems. Then, they shouldn't be arrested and investigated because they've left the company?? Vine that's pathetic.
When the daily mail etc scrutinise Michelle Mone, her £69M for faulty PPE & the subsequent reluctant 'investigation', I'll believe Torys sincerely care about accountability. Marina: beauty & brains. No wonder the Torys get upset
Pathetic how Vine seeks to defend the tories by saying that as they aren't in office anymore their policies, deeds & actions cannot be scrutinised nor referred to. Marina is too clever to go on such a vacuous show.
If you don’t want to be put in the same league as Tories, don’t play the same games. Remove paid influence and any optics that even suggest as much. I’d rather have MPs who will not take gifts full stop. They are paid well above average to do a job, they are already rewarded.
3 men heckling and Baracking you, I thought you pushed-back well. None of them were coherent, merely LOUD! Honestly I don't know why you bother appearing on Jeremy Vine on 5, tax-avoiding, amateur dramatic, Tory mouthpiece. Earns £290,000 pa. Yourself and Yasmin Alibhai-Brown (Owen and Femi), are wasted on that show.
It's pretty murderously vile to say the Tories are out so it's all over now. People will still suffer, maybe die, and it will take 10 years to recover from what they did. Not 10 days.
@@OrlandoDibiskitt New Labour raided private pensions, liberalised higher education, immigration and the finacial markets, dragged the UK into numerous disastrous wars, sold off gold reserves, signed off many PPP contracts, wasted tens of billions on buying a bank and for most of the time they were in office they rode a credit bubble.
@@suburbanyobbo9412 Yes.. I think you may have some valid points there. Doesn't excuse what the Tories did though.. its seems they are all crooked and incompetent.
Yeah. If Labour do something the Tories were known for (which is corruption) it's all fine with wee Marina. Because... It's Labour. The Tories do it, woe betide you. For you have Marina's wrath to fear. She doesn't seem to be equal in her criticisms. Both sides are screwing us. And she helps the divisive narrative.
Marina made a bit of a fool of herself on Vine - arguing that Labour are slightly less corrupt than the Tories, so everything is just fine. and Starmer and the rest can fill their boots.
I don't think she did. The real fool, if anyone had bothered to listen, was Vine. Vine thinks that 14 years of corruption can be swept under the carpet now that the tory cu**s are not in power.
The reason the comparison is made with the Tories is because this outrage was nothing like what Boris and the rest got when they were in power. Yes corruption is wrong, we all agree (I hope)... But so is manipulation of the public opinion by making this one of the most talked about news stories of the last 2 weeks. The likes of the daily mail, sky news etc - it's so obvious. Completely agree with everything this lady says. Spot on! 🙌🏼
Sorry, but you're wrong. Labour has been going on about Tory corruption for several years. Then as soon as they're in power they do exactly the same thing? They've brought it upon themselves. Of course the right wing media will make a song and dance about it and Labour have handed that opportunity to them on a plate.
Right as usual Marina. I'm taken aback however, just abt the first thing ever disagreed with lol is I don't believe the politicians should be paid more, that would be a disaster. They already get paid far too much as it is, they not value for money most of them and they get massive pay rises every year as it is, they never have to go on strike. They just award themselves (via the pretense of the pay review body who they instruct with the terms of reference to get it). The more they get paid the more they can be happy being failures on everything as they are getting handsomely rewarded regardless. If they lost their seat it doesn't matter the amount of money they have accumulated in the meantime. If they were paid low enough like lots of normal people who would be worried about their losing their jobs and achieving the outcomes of their work otherwise couldn't pay the bills they might apply themselves much better and actually try achieving things for the country and the people. If they are paid so much money they never have to be concerned about owt, they can do a terrible job, doesn't matter if the worse happens. It's no wonder nothing works in the country, broken britain.
I'm sorry but it's the same. You can dress it up however you like but at the end of the day nobody tosses thousands of pounds around unless they expect something in return. And you can't assume everyone dragging Labour over this didn't do the same for the Tories, I sure as heck did. You're right it shouldn't be allowed to happen, but you've called it completely wrong to suggest the Tories being worse somehow vindicates Labour.
it's a drop in the Ocean when compared to Bozo Johnson and our good old Honest Bob " I hate micky mouse murals" Jenrick got a nice little bung recently did that make the news? it was several times more than Max Headroom Starmer.
@@Lucretia9000 "I bet you didn't care when spaffer took millions in donations and a lot of it from putin's oligarchs." She has already very clearly stated "And you can't assume everyone dragging Labour over this didn't do the same for the Tories, I sure as heck did", so WTF are you going on about? Learn to read what people have written before responding.
@@Sirlarrythecat Exactly. Jenrick has received £75,000 from a dodgy company that has never even made any profit. So where exactly is that money really coming from? No-one even knows, and hardly anyone is asking because the media is shining a massive spotlight on Labour instead.
If Starmer can't distinguish himself from the past 15 years of Tory rule, then what business does he have as Prime Minister? The British people were CLEAR that we did not want more of the same. We do not want austerity and neoliberalism. We want progress, we want accountability, we want prosperity. If he isn't up to the job and just wants a turn at being Boris Johnson, he should move out of the way so a more qualified politician can take the job.
Starmer is distinct from the Tories but needs time after 14 years of corrupt and inept Tory rule. Here's an example, largely unreported: LABOUR scrapped the private helicopters used by Sunak to reach places easily accessible by train at a cost of £8 million annually under a 5-year contract. Starmer decided not to renew the 5-year contract when it ends on December 31 to save £40 million of taxpayers' monies. Starmer will fly on government aircraft only when strictly necessary. The Ministry of Defence said: 'This government is committed to securing value for money for taxpayers.'
There's also the changes coming in against the water companies. Thing is labour never had a plethora of wealthy right wing nut jobs to lose money hand over fist pushing an ideal. So labour need to be shit hot at there PR and jobs.
Please ask Kier Starmer, what gift would I have to give him to do favours for the poor and underprivileged? Because they can’t afford to buy his clothes or his attention etc…
If you have to compare Tories to Labour. It shouldn't be be how much they took in gifts. it should be in how much they gave back to the people who gave them gifts. Tories friends got the fast lane treatment for PPE, Tories wrote off the fraud. Labour friends don't get with tax rise (if top ten percent of earns in UK had their tax increased by 2% for 2 years it would clear the fiscal black hole labour "found"), we get pensioners and differently abled people have services and benefits cut. either way it sounds like the people of the UK get punished for not giving politicians gifts, no❓
Whatabouery is never a good excuse Marina. We assumed Labour would be better than this. I don't want to hear about the Tories ever again, I want to pretend they have gone, never to return. But nothing excuses what Labour is doing. You know that
Not enough it seems. They’re doing a lousy job of countering this. She’s right: it’s like 14 years of incompetence and open, blatant corrupt isn’t important any more. You’d think Labour could at least look better. Get Prentiss McCabe on the line.
Sorry, marina, you are dead wrong here. There's very little difference between a donation and a gift, but if you want to differentiate then the Tories accepted donations to their party and labour have accepted personal gifts to themselves. Gifts are closely related to bribery. For example, Labour were given an all expenses trip to a RUclips event paid by Google and the next day they scrapped a bill that would punish social media funded events.
The Labour party has also been gifted a £4m donation from a cayman island hedge fund with stakes in fossil fuels, arms, private health care and much more, personally I think this is more worrying
and the "Green Finance Institute" has a chat with Rachel Reeves, and suddenly there's no public energy firm any more, just public money to derisk private profits... There's a pattern here
Ah yes, the good old 'what about the Tories' strawman argument. Any chance you can actually hold the government of *today* accountable, Marina, rather than banging on about a party that haven't been in power for the last four months?
@@kanedNunable Accept it. There is no defending the indefensible. Both sides are the same. If Boris ect messed up, Marina was rightfully onto them like a hawk. Starmer screws up, it's perfectly fine for Marina to make excuses. Time she realised Labour is no longer a working class party.
Marina, you are clearly a smart woman but unfortunately we are not as dumb as you think we are. It can’t be corruption if the stories do it but when your mates in labour do it it’s just fine.
“That’s what needs to be scrapped” Well Labour is in power now and they don’t seem to be doing much scrapping. The 14 years of Tories argument is pointless. That’s in the past now. Now all the responsibility rests with Labour.
But you can make that reply when certain sections of the media judge one party so much more harshly than the other even though the other party helped itself to 10's of billions of pounds and was probably the most blatantly corrupt government in British history. (I do agree that "IF ITS WRONG….ITS WRONG.!" however).
Sorry Marina, I love a lot of what you say and stand for, but you're wrong. Whataboutery isn't going to help labour because all you're actually doing is reinforcing the idea that there is NO DIFFERENCE with Labour. This is counterproductive against yourself.
Wrong. There IS a difference. These gifts were from a donor who is ALREADY A PEER and has no need for favours in return. Plus, they were all declared. Marina was saying that the Tories accepted gifts & donations for favours & peerages which they did! Of course there's a difference!
@@InterestedParty25 Already a peer who runs businesses and has business interests. But please feel free to carry on normalising bribery because labour is doing it.
Not about whataboutism, it's about the disparity of the outrage shown, it was a tory norm to promote someone to the lords if the donation was sizable enough, lest we forget one of the promoted is the son of KGB Colonel, against the advice of the security services; how much was a roll of wallpaper again; a week hardly went by when a tory wasn't cooking something, either donation or contract related, where was the outrage then? It was so bad that you'd think the daily mail had turned into hello magazine with the amount of Harry and Megan coverage when ever a tory had spaffed up, in an attempt to steer people away from real scandal. You think this is low, the tories, sun, daily fail, telegraph, express, all the usual suspects had taken politics to the bottom of the mariana trench and dredged it clean. Where was the outrage though; so yeah faux outrage. 14 years of ruin and this is what they get outraged at pffff.
I really find this frustrating, it's like they've swept 14 years of bad tory policy and brexit under a carpet, and labour are to blame, people are so fickle.
Thick as mince 😢
Winter heating allowance for pensioners means tested.
Pensions under threat
Shopping bills getting bigger
Payslips getting smaller
Holidays will soon be a thing of the past with Reeves' air tax rises.
Economy tanking further.
No companies want to to take a chance with the UK, because of the "Economist" Rachel Reeves awful budget.
A two tier justice system
A constantly absentee PM who buzzes off when the going gets tough.
A disastrous energy crisis awaits when Milliband gets his green wet dream underway.
But.....
More taxpayers money for Ukraine to fuel the war and for Syrian "aid" (wonder how much will be invested in Syria and the rest pocketed for the new regimes personal use, eh?)
More money for farmers outside of the UK
BlackRock a dubious investment company seems to have its foot in the door even more so under Starmer.
MPs can still have their winter heating allowance with no questions asked.
So far... This is under Starmer's watch. And you have the gall to call folk fickle. How is your wallet fairing so far? Don't worry... It's early days yet.
100% agree Marina. The Tories have greed down to a fine art, however in my opinion no politician should be receiving any gifts or expenses. Ordinary working class people have to survive on what they earn.
All this outrage for taking the winter fuel allowance from those means tested to not need it, but where was this outrage when it was taken away from the poorest in society, without means testing it??
"You can't keep bring the Tories into it - they aren't in power anymore?"
I'm sorry, what?
For almost the entire time they were in government, any answer to any question thrown at them was "Remember when Labour were in power over a decade ago and did x/y/z?"
Making comparisons to the Tories is, and will always be, absolutely fair game.
Sorry,but whatever is present, is under Labour's watch. And so far, it's not going well at all.
@KnowYoutheDukeofArgyll1841 so, if I go round stabbing people for 14 years, then give you the knife to hold for a few months - you basically murdered all those people and I did nothing?
I'm not bothered about the small gifts. I want the PPE money back and people jailed for the lives lost because of Tory corruption and failure
Still no news on Michelle mone and the millions that we paid in ppe we could never use!
The gifts to Starmer were completely within the law and the rules. The donation to Johnson for his flat refurb were not and he was forced to give the money back. The sum total of the donations made to Starmer over FIVE YEARS are eclipsed multiple times by SINGLE donations to Tory MPs. Forget Johnson, there's Jenrick who will probably be the next Tory leader. He has had £75000 given to him by a single donor who has much to gain financially from that investment.
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The hypocrisy from the Tories is laughable 😂 this is a nothing story
@@jamessteel9016 i would like to think labour should be held to hire standards. They cant tell people its time for cuts while taking freebies
The hypocrisy of the Tories is indeed laughable, but this most definitely isn't a nothing story.
@davidparry5310 Seriously cannot believe these type of comments
@@garygee1468 Which type of comments?
@@davidparry5310 Comment that defends corruption on one side but not the other bit like Marina
WTF is Danny Mills doing on there? He is the embodiment of someone who has forgotten where he comes from!
Jeremy Vine tries to hide his love for the Tories but it keeps creeping out. I have to listen to him on the work radio and the way he speaks to Tories is different to how he speaks to anyone else. Like Alan Partridge when he talks to posh people. He is so out of touch presenting and discussing current affairs yet he host 2 shows on the subject. I complained to the BBC about him and they claimed he invited a broad range of guests on (Charlie Mullins, Mike Parry etc.)
His show has a revolving back door into GBN and Talk TV.
What about the Tories only giving 4% on the triple lock when it should have been 8% as per inflation which was the highest. That cost pensions hundreds, far more than the fuel allowance. The trouble is people are thick as mince and swallow this ridiculous attack from the media. The two governments are being held to completely different standards.
Bang on Marina.
The usual trick on these programmes of the Tory caller, the Labour guest tries to talk and the Tory guest keeps interrupting to stop the point being heard.
It’s a disease. Inherited from Trump.
@kevinshanahan6064 If only it was question time then the audience could say how much they are entitled thousands of pounds of free gifts
Totally agree with Marina. I have been saying for years that anyone donating to a political party should be automatically excluding themselves from government contracts, high paying consultancy jobs and honours of any level. I would go further and extend it to their family members too, so that they cannot get rewards in a roundabout way. Donations equal bribes.
If you don't like it, change the rules! Don't blame Labour, and give Tory Cons & Reform an out-of-jail pass.
Labour are in government with a healthy majority. They could change the rules immediately. How could we not blame them?
@@kingbeef5076 Well to start with they've been in power five minutes and parliament has just returned from recess, then there's been riots, pay disputes to settle, policy announcements, party conference and at least a couple of minutes to draw breath. Or more simply, bigger priorities to deal with rather than scraping the barrel for a story.
the tory party suffered their biggest defeat on July the 4th...but strangely, it still feels as if the tory party are still in power. Not because of what labour have been doing, or not doing over the last two months...it just feels like they simply won't go away. Like sh*t stuck to a shoe.
Marina asks this important issue while ex footballer who is one of the thickest panelist I`ve ever seen on the equally thick Vine show just interrupts " the tories arn`t in power now " jeeesus H Christ
Is Starmer right or wrong to accept clothes and glasses - its wrong.
Are Labour right to take £300 off rich pensioners - yes, but they needed to set the means testing to a higher income level than they have, or delayed until next winter.
Are the media completely taking a different approach between Labour and the Tories - yes, absolutely and it stinks. Listen to Jeremy Vine - its completely wrong for Starmer to take clothes.....but its fair Boris accepted donations for peerages because thats a Tory tradition.
Don't bother faffing about with means-testing. Just tax it back off rich pensioners.
Marina, tell Vine to stop constantly talking over you.
So if the Tories took donations and Labour also takes them, then they are both as bad as each other.
All donations should be banned, end of.
Except Starmers donations were declared under the rules while Johnson’s flat renovation was not declared and he tried to deny he even knew who made the donation. I know which one I think is worse. And all parties are largely funded by donations so if you ban all donations then the taxpayer will have to foot the bill. I would agree that the current rules need complete reform though.
@@pete1942 While it's good that Starmer declared it and the media are one-sided. I still think all donations should be banned.
@@GamSin1981 And to some extent I agree. Donations muddy the water. It’s hard to tell if they are for legitimate support or personal gain. But they do fund the parties and without them, the taxpayer would have to. That might not be a bad thing if properly structured and administrated, but it would not alone remove corruption. I don’t agree that both parties are as bad as each other though. The Tories are demonstrably far more corrupt than Labour. That’s not to say Labour are saintly innocents, because they are not, but definitely not as bad as the Tories.
Well said, Marina.
The clothes and concerts are small fry. We should be looking at the £4 million from Quadrature
I really really dislike Vine, can't watch or listen to the slime bag.
Marina is spot on as usual. Only Labour should be able to take sweeteners. 👍🏻
Why is Danny mills discussing politics. Hes an ex footballer.
Spot on as usual Marina. Keep up the good work
They're not in power anymore???
That's a defence??
So, if someone commits corruption and criminality whilst working for a company and then leaves the company for someone else to fix the problems.
Then, they shouldn't be arrested and investigated because they've left the company??
Vine that's pathetic.
Selective Outrage……
When the daily mail etc scrutinise Michelle Mone, her £69M for faulty PPE & the subsequent reluctant 'investigation', I'll believe Torys sincerely care about accountability. Marina: beauty & brains. No wonder the Torys get upset
Marina is light in this darkness.
Pathetic how Vine seeks to defend the tories by saying that as they aren't in office anymore their policies, deeds & actions cannot be scrutinised nor referred to. Marina is too clever to go on such a vacuous show.
Interesting! Be right back, just going to steal everything that isn't nailed down at work, and also quit my job 😝
Gorgeous.
Marina defending what she used to attack 🙄
If you don’t want to be put in the same league as Tories, don’t play the same games. Remove paid influence and any optics that even suggest as much. I’d rather have MPs who will not take gifts full stop. They are paid well above average to do a job, they are already rewarded.
She's right as always 👍
3 men heckling and Baracking you, I thought you pushed-back well. None of them were coherent, merely LOUD! Honestly I don't know why you bother appearing on Jeremy Vine on 5, tax-avoiding, amateur dramatic, Tory mouthpiece. Earns £290,000 pa. Yourself and Yasmin Alibhai-Brown (Owen and Femi), are wasted on that show.
What a good woman marina is 👍
Tories after 14 years were still blaming labour for the reasons for austerity
What are you farting on about?
@@suburbanyobbo9412 pleb
@@ianclarke3627 The Labour party proposed more austerity than than Tories back in 2010.
@@suburbanyobbo9412 pleb
It's pretty murderously vile to say the Tories are out so it's all over now.
People will still suffer, maybe die, and it will take 10 years to recover from what they did. Not 10 days.
We still haven’t recovered from New Labour.
@@suburbanyobbo9412 explain please?
@@OrlandoDibiskitt New Labour raided private pensions, liberalised higher education, immigration and the finacial markets, dragged the UK into numerous disastrous wars, sold off gold reserves, signed off many PPP contracts, wasted tens of billions on buying a bank and for most of the time they were in office they rode a credit bubble.
I think people are just anti-government no matter who is in tbh.
@@suburbanyobbo9412 Yes.. I think you may have some valid points there.
Doesn't excuse what the Tories did though.. its seems they are all crooked and incompetent.
'Yeah but they're not as bad as the Tories' is not cognisant argument.
She is a legend
Yeah. If Labour do something the Tories were known for (which is corruption) it's all fine with wee Marina. Because... It's Labour. The Tories do it, woe betide you. For you have Marina's wrath to fear. She doesn't seem to be equal in her criticisms. Both sides are screwing us. And she helps the divisive narrative.
BTW, who is Lord Ali?
Why does he have a special pass to number 10?
Four legs good, two legs better.
Winning or losing in 2029 will come down to far more important issues than where Starmer got his suits in 2024.
Marina made a bit of a fool of herself on Vine - arguing that Labour are slightly less corrupt than the Tories, so everything is just fine. and Starmer and the rest can fill their boots.
I don't think she did. The real fool, if anyone had bothered to listen, was Vine. Vine thinks that 14 years of corruption can be swept under the carpet now that the tory cu**s are not in power.
Reminded me of Vicky Pollard ... yeah, but no, but yeah, but no ..
( and I despise the Tories...)
The reason the comparison is made with the Tories is because this outrage was nothing like what Boris and the rest got when they were in power.
Yes corruption is wrong, we all agree (I hope)... But so is manipulation of the public opinion by making this one of the most talked about news stories of the last 2 weeks. The likes of the daily mail, sky news etc - it's so obvious.
Completely agree with everything this lady says. Spot on! 🙌🏼
Sorry, but you're wrong. Labour has been going on about Tory corruption for several years. Then as soon as they're in power they do exactly the same thing? They've brought it upon themselves. Of course the right wing media will make a song and dance about it and Labour have handed that opportunity to them on a plate.
Starmer has received more gifts, benefits and hospitality than any other MP or since 2019.
Hide the sausages! Hide the sausages! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
If your a donor, should you get a Downing Street pass? Why do you think people donate?? Ffs
Right as usual Marina. I'm taken aback however, just abt the first thing ever disagreed with lol is I don't believe the politicians should be paid more, that would be a disaster. They already get paid far too much as it is, they not value for money most of them and they get massive pay rises every year as it is, they never have to go on strike. They just award themselves (via the pretense of the pay review body who they instruct with the terms of reference to get it). The more they get paid the more they can be happy being failures on everything as they are getting handsomely rewarded regardless. If they lost their seat it doesn't matter the amount of money they have accumulated in the meantime. If they were paid low enough like lots of normal people who would be worried about their losing their jobs and achieving the outcomes of their work otherwise couldn't pay the bills they might apply themselves much better and actually try achieving things for the country and the people.
If they are paid so much money they never have to be concerned about owt, they can do a terrible job, doesn't matter if the worse happens. It's no wonder nothing works in the country, broken britain.
They have been disappointing fairly quickly and I voted for them.
Shame on you !
I didn't, although I didn't vote for tories or even reform.
They are all as bad as each other.
@@lookskyewalker why? They bash the tories for all the freebies.. i wanted different to the tories not austerity and cuts and more freebies
@@GamSin1981 Are you sure because that is a classic tory argument.
Free the sausages!!
Don't eat any bacon sarnies in public
Don't eat any bacon sarnies in public
Don't eat any bacon sarnies in public
Marina I wish I could advise you to ignore it but being on the media shows means your going to get the brunt of it
I'm sorry but it's the same. You can dress it up however you like but at the end of the day nobody tosses thousands of pounds around unless they expect something in return. And you can't assume everyone dragging Labour over this didn't do the same for the Tories, I sure as heck did. You're right it shouldn't be allowed to happen, but you've called it completely wrong to suggest the Tories being worse somehow vindicates Labour.
I bet you didn't care when spaffer took millions in donations and a lot of it from putin's oligarchs.
it's a drop in the Ocean when compared to Bozo Johnson and our good old Honest Bob " I hate micky mouse murals" Jenrick got a nice little bung recently did that make the news? it was several times more than Max Headroom Starmer.
@@Lucretia9000 "I bet you didn't care when spaffer took millions in donations and a lot of it from putin's oligarchs."
She has already very clearly stated "And you can't assume everyone dragging Labour over this didn't do the same for the Tories, I sure as heck did", so WTF are you going on about? Learn to read what people have written before responding.
@@Sirlarrythecat Exactly. Jenrick has received £75,000 from a dodgy company that has never even made any profit. So where exactly is that money really coming from? No-one even knows, and hardly anyone is asking because the media is shining a massive spotlight on Labour instead.
So if someone donated a lot of money to charity what do they get in return???
The ever deluded far right and the Tory base are funny and Will complain till the end of days 🤣🤣🤣
Oh Marina you absolute hypocrite.
If Starmer can't distinguish himself from the past 15 years of Tory rule, then what business does he have as Prime Minister? The British people were CLEAR that we did not want more of the same. We do not want austerity and neoliberalism. We want progress, we want accountability, we want prosperity. If he isn't up to the job and just wants a turn at being Boris Johnson, he should move out of the way so a more qualified politician can take the job.
Starmer is distinct from the Tories but needs time after 14 years of corrupt and inept Tory rule.
Here's an example, largely unreported:
LABOUR scrapped the private helicopters used by Sunak to reach places easily accessible by train at a cost of £8 million annually under a 5-year contract.
Starmer decided not to renew the 5-year contract when it ends on December 31 to save £40 million of taxpayers' monies.
Starmer will fly on government aircraft only when strictly necessary. The Ministry of Defence said: 'This government is committed to securing value for money for taxpayers.'
There's also the changes coming in against the water companies.
Thing is labour never had a plethora of wealthy right wing nut jobs to lose money hand over fist pushing an ideal. So labour need to be shit hot at there PR and jobs.
I'm sorry, but trying to defend these freebies by stating that you know what the intention behind the freebie is just farcical.
Whataboutery..
He was a tw.t on the football pitch
Sorry you are wrong trying to justify this,
Cash for Peerages was a Labour thing, no?
Please ask Kier Starmer, what gift would I have to give him to do favours for the poor and underprivileged? Because they can’t afford to buy his clothes or his attention etc…
Marina (just like James O'Brien) has become the client media.
No, they’re the ones who are holding client media to account
Caring about the truth and what's right isn't client media.
Criticise the government for good reasons.
@@chrissharp3382No. Marina is client media.
@@coolbanana165Marina doesn’t care about what is truthful.
If you have to compare Tories to Labour. It shouldn't be be how much they took in gifts. it should be in how much they gave back to the people who gave them gifts.
Tories friends got the fast lane treatment for PPE, Tories wrote off the fraud.
Labour friends don't get with tax rise (if top ten percent of earns in UK had their tax increased by 2% for 2 years it would clear the fiscal black hole labour "found"), we get pensioners and differently abled people have services and benefits cut.
either way it sounds like the people of the UK get punished for not giving politicians gifts, no❓
Whatabouery is never a good excuse Marina. We assumed Labour would be better than this. I don't want to hear about the Tories ever again, I want to pretend they have gone, never to return.
But nothing excuses what Labour is doing. You know that
How much do you get paid to a labour PR person ?
Not enough it seems. They’re doing a lousy job of countering this. She’s right: it’s like 14 years of incompetence and open, blatant corrupt isn’t important any more. You’d think Labour could at least look better.
Get Prentiss McCabe on the line.
Just another Labour apologist, is Marina.
@@KnowYoutheDukeofArgyll1841 So where is she wrong?
Sorry, marina, you are dead wrong here. There's very little difference between a donation and a gift, but if you want to differentiate then the Tories accepted donations to their party and labour have accepted personal gifts to themselves.
Gifts are closely related to bribery. For example, Labour were given an all expenses trip to a RUclips event paid by Google and the next day they scrapped a bill that would punish social media funded events.
The Labour party has also been gifted a £4m donation from a cayman island hedge fund with stakes in fossil fuels, arms, private health care and much more, personally I think this is more worrying
and the "Green Finance Institute" has a chat with Rachel Reeves, and suddenly there's no public energy firm any more, just public money to derisk private profits...
There's a pattern here
Ah yes, the good old 'what about the Tories' strawman argument. Any chance you can actually hold the government of *today* accountable, Marina, rather than banging on about a party that haven't been in power for the last four months?
you mean the same tory party bitching about blair the last 14 years. need a tissue?
@@kanedNunable Accept it. There is no defending the indefensible. Both sides are the same. If Boris ect messed up, Marina was rightfully onto them like a hawk. Starmer screws up, it's perfectly fine for Marina to make excuses. Time she realised Labour is no longer a working class party.
Marina, you are clearly a smart woman but unfortunately we are not as dumb as you think we are. It can’t be corruption if the stories do it but when your mates in labour do it it’s just fine.
So what point is she making that Starmer is not quite as corrupt as the previous PM / PMs
“That’s what needs to be scrapped”
Well Labour is in power now and they don’t seem to be doing much scrapping.
The 14 years of Tories argument is pointless. That’s in the past now. Now all the responsibility rests with Labour.
After 2 months in power, half of which was parliament in recess - what is your superpower - the bleeding obvious?
You can’t keep giving the reply with whatabout the Tory’s. Sod them as well. IF ITS WRONG….ITS WRONG.! End of discussion!!
But you can make that reply when certain sections of the media judge one party so much more harshly than the other even though the other party helped itself to 10's of billions of pounds and was probably the most blatantly corrupt government in British history.
(I do agree that "IF ITS WRONG….ITS WRONG.!" however).
Sorry Marina, I love a lot of what you say and stand for, but you're wrong. Whataboutery isn't going to help labour because all you're actually doing is reinforcing the idea that there is NO DIFFERENCE with Labour. This is counterproductive against yourself.
Wrong. There IS a difference. These gifts were from a donor who is ALREADY A PEER and has no need for favours in return. Plus, they were all declared. Marina was saying that the Tories accepted gifts & donations for favours & peerages which they did! Of course there's a difference!
@@InterestedParty25 Already a peer who runs businesses and has business interests. But please feel free to carry on normalising bribery because labour is doing it.
@@SlinkShady Go on, prove that this is 'bribery'. What has been asked in return? No? Thought not.
@@InterestedParty25 where's my reply gone???
How the hell can she justify bribery ???
0:10: "So what about the Tories..."
Whataboutism? Have we really sunk to that already? Do better Marina.
Not about whataboutism, it's about the disparity of the outrage shown, it was a tory norm to promote someone to the lords if the donation was sizable enough, lest we forget one of the promoted is the son of KGB Colonel, against the advice of the security services; how much was a roll of wallpaper again; a week hardly went by when a tory wasn't cooking something, either donation or contract related, where was the outrage then?
It was so bad that you'd think the daily mail had turned into hello magazine with the amount of Harry and Megan coverage when ever a tory had spaffed up, in an attempt to steer people away from real scandal. You think this is low, the tories, sun, daily fail, telegraph, express, all the usual suspects had taken politics to the bottom of the mariana trench and dredged it clean. Where was the outrage though; so yeah faux outrage.
14 years of ruin and this is what they get outraged at pffff.
'Whataboutism' is a disingenuous accusation often levelled at those who point out an obvious false equivalence being used in an argument.
@@mogzybuster "Not about whataboutism"
Your entire post is literally that. Bribing politicians is never acceptable PERIOD.
@@EyeMixMusicPERIOD?
Are they teaching Americanish in schools now?
@@BoyeeSmudger You know what, you've got me bang to rights there.
Politicians taking bribes = 👍
Using American expressions = 👎
Horrid poison woman!
What a terrible hypocrite she is
Bwahahahaha. 🤣😂
The point being made is that there is hypocrisy