@@willa9880 not a big deal for you but a big deal for us fans, red velvet brings money to that crappy company but never in their 9 year career did sm prioritized them
@@arasshii3918SM groups technically could have earn many PAKs but at that time SM has beef with Cyworld which are needed to reach PAK so no SM groups could get PAK until RV with Power Up.
That whistle note in the beginning of RBB is a D7, and was actually hit by Irene!! I think Seulgi said somewhere that all five of them tried it, but the producers went with Irene’s take in the end.
And she had to fold over to squeeze out the note. I've seen a video where Oh My Girl Seunghee did that note or a touch higher upright and didn't even look strained so I always hoped they would cover it.
Yeah hahaha she even explained they had to flip the mic upside down so she could record it (honestly, they should've just scared her, would've worked the same way lmao) but yeah... RV keeps you on your toes you never know who's gonna surprise you next lol 😂
that's not really whistle note but half of scream. that whistle note is end part of seulgi and wendy did in the song. and irene's part that is mix from irene voice and demo.
only the #REAL ones know rbb is a gem plus this is no doubt one of their most vocally challenging songs😭 there’s a reason why no one’s ever covered rbb
I am gonna be honest, I have been listening to this group since their Queendom era and these are the things that I noticed - When I was not much aware of pop, the only girl group name I heard was Blackpink and Twice. I was not much interested in Kpop at that moment, but when I heard Red Velvet, I was drowned in their music. I was like WTF......how is this group not at the top? why does everyone not know about this group just like BP and Twice? I wish that I had known them much before. I still don't understand why this group is not at the top. It's not just the title track, but their b-sides also sound better than most groups' title tracks. This group is just out of this world and still unrecognized. This group literally has everything, vocals, visuals, choreo, best MV's, literally everything. I don't want to hurt anyone but personally, I feel Red Velvet's music, vocals, MV's, and b-sides, are far better than any other group. I just wish these girls get the exposure they deserve.
My feelings are similar. I didn't get into kpop until the pandemic and it was only Blackpink.. When I stumbled upon RV music I had the same WTF moment! It frustrates me to the core that they aren't up there with BP and Twice where they deserve. But SM is blame for that
unfortunately for them, SM doesnt promote them as much as their other groups. they really get the bare minimum every single comeback and its truly frustrating. every single achievement is solely because of Red Velvet and never SM. Like imagine being one of the big 3’s without any US promotions. their comebacks are usually just attending a few music shows and thats it. Capitol Music Group have been wishing to work with them for US promotions and the executive of Warner Bros said were collaborating with them but to no avail. Idk what’s up with SM but Red Velvet deserves better.
@@perfectrevelvet I think they will continue that after psycho era,, but strange happened after Wendy accident then comes with COVID they didn't continue side frm that SM promote AESPA now.. Wendy accident and COVID makes their time long rest imagined if they those didn't happened part of it also about Irene issue which kinda sus bcoz it push AESPA debut promotion... Actually it's never too late but somehow they already 8 yrs in industry members also have solo sched and project kinda late too if they already did that in 6 nor 7 yrs of them probably it will have a chance . Wishing atleast someday SM atleast let them even just one promotion frm us nor even just music label atleast.
Red Velvet is HUGE. They hold/break streaming records, album selling records, they have tons of brand deals (especially Irene), they act, etc. But like Oslem said, they don't seem big bc they are not promoted as much on the Western scene. SM is terrible at promoting them in general. In terms of Queendom, not that that's a bad song but I think that Luvies were expecting more from them after Psycho. So after Joy and Wendy's solos and then Feel My Rhythm came out, it seems like "ah yes, here's red velvet." Really enjoying this series btw. RV is within my top 5 gg so I love seeing you fall for them :)
Queendom was their first song after their big hiatus and actually RV were starting to promote in the west (which Is why they did a fan meeting in the US and the troll movie) but the Wendy's accident stopped everything. You can blame Sment for something they had no control with. They were supposed to promote Psycho in the US too
Their company didn’t even recognize RV’s achievements. They are SM’s top artists in Spotify, their songs are charting in the US but the company don’t give them US promotions even after Bad boy’s success ☹️
red velvet are HUGE huge but honestly if sm had invested more in red velvet promotions they would be more popular internationally right now. that doesn't mean they're not recognized tho like red velvet are known for their harmony and discography, wendy as best kpop vocalist seulgi best all-rounder within kpop in general. so many of their title tracks get labelled as soty by even non-fans. they can be more popular of course but they are in a really good position. they're counted among the top ggs of 3rd gen with bp and twice tho not as known as them but they're def not far behind. speaking from my personal bias they should be the even more popular like the music is god tier.
Long story short about RV's position in the industry is that SM always tend to give them the short end of the stick, eversince their debut. 2014 was so messy for SM and they had to rush RV debut, and then SM probably didn't expect RV to be doing this well in the industry. Because, contrary to the global promotions of other SM groups you might have heard, RV (and EXO) is the one that's doing the best globally, despite little to zero promotions. But also, RV's versatile image makes it easier for SM to throw any concept at them, and then they still managed to pull it off excellently. I'd say out of the more popular groups, RV is definitely the most versatile and unexpected, and that is their strong point. Also, they are very popular as B-side queens, both in Korea and internationally, as their B-sides are as good as, or even better than their titles sometimes. (Hopefully you guys could check out their B-sides later on ;))
No SM group ever got the shorter end of the stick than f(x). A lot of initial resistance to RV, even among SM stans, was because of the perception that RV's debut was taking (already inadequate) resources away from f(x)! I never subscribed to that, because I liked both groups.
I'm a reveluv so I might be a little biased. The thing with Red Velvet is that they always had stable hits (since debut, actually). They are very very famous in Korea, even with the General Public. They're known as Summer Queens in Korea, for example, i think after Power Up. Red Flavor was and is a summer anthem until now. They were invited to perform in North Korea for a diplomacy event before. Every song they release charts well and for a long time, too. Incuding b-sides. They're huge in Asia! (China, Japan, Philippines, among others). They're acknowledged as one of the biggest girl groups. It's true that they are not much promoted internationally - compared with other famous girl groups. SM Entertainment is the one to be blamed for that. Haha. (Just look at the amount of promo compared to others HAHA. They have less than 5 dance practice videos!) Too many missed opportunities, especially with pushing them to the Western Market. Bad Boy and Psycho are their biggest Western hits, they had sold out concert tours in US in just a few minutes, SM did not ride the wave. -_- They are music critics' favorites though, top tier discography. They were named by Billboard as the "best idol group alive" before, and on their 8th year they are still continuously breaking records so that's a feat that not many idol groups achieve. About Queendom and Feel My Rhythm. I feel like with Queendom, a lot were underwhelmed maybe because it felt safe. With FMR, it felt very Red Velvet, iykwim. Oh and another factor for a relatively smaller but solid fandom might be because of their concept switches - which is ironically what luvies love most and take pride in. (Oops that's a long read, sorry. So thankful I've stumbled upon your reaction videos!! I'm a new subscriber. Hihi)
I think for me, it's because SM...they don't promote their idols very well as the others companies. I agree that RV has more stable and more hits and they have versatility that the rest of the groups don't have but SM needs to take care more of their groups...the same happened with f(x), they actually abandoned them...so sad until now.
@@DarkFoncho at first i thought sm just didn’t want to promote them/acknowledge their achievements because they only wanted their male artists and groups to be the most successful (they never signed rv to a us label nor promote them there) if you compare the way sm is pushing aespa (coachella, us label and promotions, interviews, how they take care of their image) you can tell they simply have favorites. but still after all the blockages from sm red velvet always thrives, their legacy lives on and you can tell they will be the ones being remembered
Also fun fact, RV had collabed with Ellie Goulding and Wendy had collabed with John Legend. Yep. I know. Their promotions really suck for these big collabs to not be heard that much in the scene.
I agree with your logic that red velvet should be even more recognized cause their music is amazing. What i know from being a luvie since peek a boo, red velvet is really really popular in Asia and its super big in Korea, they all know red velvet, even the generic public listen to them it's not just the kfandom, but the gp who loves them, if you see digitals Rv is one of the groups who are mos streammed and people are always excited for their comebacks. I feel like international there is a lot of support, but SM never promote them, with a lot of comebacks they entered charts in the US and broke records without even trying, but SM never look at them and prefer to send other groups and invest money to try to break that market even when red velvet entered without any promotions or help from the company. Sm should treat better their gg :)
I feel like "Peekaboo" is where Yeri REALLY started shining and coming into her own. Also omg the fucking choreography is IMMACULATE. This is also where she HARD CONCRETED her bias wrecker status for me. Also AleXa in P48 so good. Lol. BAD BOY - WHAT CAN I EVEN SAY. PERFECTION. IMMACULATE. BEAUTIFUL. 100000% EXCELLENCE. JUST AHHHHHHHHH.
Red Velvet are not as big as some other groups number wise but they are loved by public and critics. I've learned about them in 2019 after reading the article on their performancec in North Korea. You can say that this means something. Also they loved by k hip-hop artists, this is also a high praise. RV's wide spectrum of styles and fearless experiments are a deterrent for a lot of people but that is OK, you can't please everyone. They are making good music that's what important.
I think most of the people who love RV are those who love varieties of music. RV always change concepts in music and also in their MV. In my country, people said RV's music is music for musicians.
Fun fact: Red Velvet has the most #1 albums on US iTunes of any girl group. This includes Fifth Harmony, Little Mix, Blackpink and Twice. They aren't promoted as well anywhere, but they do make numbers. They have two songs that are eligible for gold certification in the United States, and they have the most streamed song from their company (SM) on Spotify. Their US tour was one of the most successful tours in the US for 2019. It sold fast with a high ticket price. It's mainly the lack of investment from SM. We like to call Red Velvet the organic queens, because they do a lot with nothing and they continue to grow. Currently, Red Velvet is the #2 best selling girl group on Hanteo and the 3rd best selling girl group on Gaon. They are also the only act in their company to have songs reach 2.5 million downloads.
Red Velvet generally has a lot of casual listeners internationally and domestically. In Korea, they're considered as a group that's among the general public's picks, in a sense that most of their releases chart well. Most of what builds up a strong core fanbase revolves around the availability of contents (particularly those outside of music). They're not as big internationally compared to groups like Blackpink or Twice because of the lack of available and accessible contents. For example, their reality show, Level Up Project, is only available on obscure platforms that are region-locked so people outside Korea can't watch it, and I believe (cmiiw) that even Koreans can't watch these shows without downloading the relatively unknown apps (Oksusu/Wavve). Also, they only really started uploading additional promotional contents from 2020, so if you scroll down their group's YT channel, you'll notice that they only really used it to upload video teasers for music videos before. Even when it comes to basic promotional things like dance practice videos or jacket photoshoot behind vlogs, you'll notice the terrible lack of content prior to 2020. Since their debut in 2014, the group has had less than 5 dance practice videos - we always joke about how SM only uploads their dance practice when they move to a different building, the level of digital promotions were handled that badly by SM. A lot of people listen to their music casually, but it's difficult for people to actually join the fandom because there's nothing to watch if they ever get curious about the group. Despite this, they're still one of SM's most successful groups internationally.
The casual rotating fandom is also due to the different concepts each cb and not sticking to a genre or a theme like BP or twice for that matter. Even among the fandom, the divide is seen every cb. But yeah, I love that they've been true to their origins, Red and Velvet concepts and eventually clubbing them both, and now are doing whatever they feel and are still doing unique concepts :)
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT !! For me personally RV is definitely my fav 3rd gen group. And yes just like u said how come this group is not on top of the world like the other group while they're so damn good like this (gonna blame SM for this) 😡 I've been in music industry since late 90s and following kpop since SNSD Gee era till now, so I had so much music reference and quite have high music standards. And this is one of the reasons why I like RV, because you'll never can guess what are they gonna make in the future (no offense) unlike the others) 😶 And yes they always keep make me surprised 😂 Glad that finally someone said it. Nice reaction ladies 👏🏻 Thx u
What’s funny about Power Up is it’s one of the first RV songs I’d ever heard, and it made me want to stan because it felt like a song I should hate, and yet I loved it. I was still new to kpop, and this was my stereotypical interpretation of what I thought all kpop was (super bright and colourful, a little weird and quirky), and at the time I didn’t think I would like that concept. But RV kinda challenged my expectations and opened me up to it. It is definitely a mood song though. Put it on a work out playlist or summertime playlist and you’ll have a blast. The Summer Magic album also has some of my favourite bsides like Blue Lemonade. Highly recommend.
It brings me much joy to see RBB get the praise it deserves! I love it soooo much. RV is my ult group just because of the pure quality of their songs. Joy's voice is SO unique, it always amazes me.
I definitely agree that RV isn't as appreciated as other groups internationally but they do have an int fandom. Personally they weren't the first girl group I listened to but once I found them, I couldn't go back. They went straight to be my #1 girl group in terms of talent and obviously bc they're music is soooo good
sm never promotes them. that's the reason. bad boy and psycho are already eligible for gold in the US without any US promo. their japanese debut was in 2018, very late compared to twice and bp. japan is a big market for kpop yet they didn't promote any music there either, just concerts and a few magazines. they definitely had so much potential, they still have it even in their 8th year, but still no push by the company. only thing sm does right for rv is producing good music
Red Velvet is #1 if you rank them in vocals, visuals, concepts, choreo, weaponry…. We have come across so many KPop reactors who claim to be KPop experts with 50+ Black Pink and Twice MVs, but no Red Velvet reactions 🤣. After reacting to them, they always say “why am I so late in discovering Red Velvet”. At least many see the extraordinary performances that they have been missing but some still can’t get over the fact that their favorite group is not the only one with talent. Many are very young toxic fans. Red Velvet came in with a disadvantage by having to follow the Korean favorite, Girls Generation. The public did not like anyone to come is as their replacement. Another reason for the mixed reviews were due to their very diverse concepts. If they heard a Red bubbly concept and did not care for it, they never really got a second chance. Only after following their diverse discography for a while, you start appreciating everything they do. Imagine you came across them right when they came down with, Power Up, you probably would not have shown them much interest on the following release.
I agree with what you said about Red Velvet, when I didn't know much about Kpop, I only knew Backpink and Twice's names. I started to check out Red Velvet by coincidence because Irene caught my eye on Tik Tok and I'm sooooo happy that she did cause they're my favorite. And I got to discover the other girls in the group and they're all amazing
15:46 speaking of this, no, red velvet is still one of the big three girl groups. everybody knows about them people love their music but honestly i think it may have something to do with their promotion
OH MY GOODNESS YES YES YES!!!! I clicked so fast when I saw the notification, I am so glad that you guys reacted to more Red Velvet (Justice for Automatic) I just got to say I love ALL of these songs just everything about them all Red Velvet just hits every time their songs are Amazing! Peek-A-Boo is just so ICONIC that's where Joy got the nickname The Girl in the Rainbow Dress and the whole LGBT outfits are Fabulous and don't get me started on Yeri, Bad Boy was my first song from them and will forever be my favorite or at least have a special place in my heart and not to mention all of the Gayness in that one as well like the JoyRene kiss and the notebook (Im pretty sure it says "These are not lips" or something close to that) I also just want to say that this has to be one of my favorite eras for all of them because WOW and Wendy's eyes are just stunning, Power Up and RBB at first I liked them but they were not really my favorites but now I LOVE them I can't stop singing them like Power Up is super underrated plus the Wendy, Irene, Seulgi, and Joy rap was amazing (too bad Yeri didn't get many lines though she would have went nuts on it) plus the Reveluv thing was Adorable, and RBB was so Iconic (the whole Album was actually all of their Albums are amazing) plus I just have to mention Seulgi's blonde hair, Wendy's abs like HELLO, and the WenRene moment YES just everything! Anyways I can't you guys to react to more Red Velvet such as more Music Videos, B - Sides, Live Performances, Covers, Dance Practices, Moments, and of course Ships! I can't wait for more Content from you guys and I hope that you both are doing well and staying safe and healthy! P.S. If you ever need any good Videos I could totally help you out with that if you need it, also that scream in Really Bad Boy was Irene I am pretty sure that it was the highest note ever recorded in the studio or at least one of them!!
To address Esosa’s thoughts about Red Velvet’s international recognition: before I was into kpop, I actually heard about Red Velvet before I even heard about Blackpink, sometime around 2017-2018ish (around the same time I heard about Twice). They’ve collabed with some Western artists like Ellie Goulding and John Legend. I didn’t check out their music at the time, but when I started getting into kpop, I distinctly remembered hearing about them. They’ve even toured in the West as well. I think Twice and BP get more views and hype, but RV is still well appreciated.
thanks to this series i'm revisiting all those past bops & realizing how much i actually like red velvet's music. i kinda stopped following them after a certain era (rbb??) & just checked out their mv but yeah. i'm gonna have to listen to their entire discography again because they have bops for days. get into their b-sides guys.
In terms of international, you are right Red Velvet might not be more recognized compared to BLACKPINK and TWICE non-kpop fan wise. BUT…I believe Red Velvet songs are the kind of songs international fans will love as experimental as it is. Songs like Ice Cream Cake, DUMB DUMB, Russian Roulette, Red Flavor, Peek-A-Boo, Bad Boy, and Psycho are songs that are highly recognized and popular..even trending/viral at those times of releases. They just forget it’s RED VELVET who sings/performs those songs. Then when they realize those songs are from RED VELVET, they’ll be like oh we should start listening to them more. Red Velvet has done an US tour and it was successful and made new fans. They got a good amount of exposure social media wise with doing interviews in English and some RUclips exposure too. Maybe not in the same level like other groups who go on talk shows and perform. I think it’s more of a SM media/management problem tbh. I do agree they need more international activities because they can definitely be even more popular. But alas.. it’s a SM thing. They are focused on other things and feel that other groups are more set for the US market than Red Velvet. Which is such a shame… SM should put even more effort for Red Velvet.
Red Velvet always try something new. They constantly have a different concept. They are willing to experiment with sometimes fantastic reception and other times not so much but they exude versatility and fearlessness. Groups like BP and Twice stay loyal to their sound. And fans have grown to really love that. BP with their dance/hip-hop/pop style and twice with their colourful and bright/sweet tunes that just make you happy. And people like to know what they are getting into so I feel it makes both of those groups seem to have more stability within the music and their fans. Nothing wrong with either way people just like consistency. All groups are incredibly talented and deserve vast recognition. I hope that made sense. Sorry for the poorly constructed essay.
Iconic fact: Bad boy was the song that started the english version's phase of RD. There's a English version of Bad boy AND of RBB (and that was all lmao)
Red Velvet MVs 1. Happiness (Single)✔️ 2. Be Natural (Single)✔️ 3. Automatic 4. Ice Cream Cake ✔️ 5. Dumb Dumb ✔️ 6. Wish Tree (Single) 7. One Of These Nights ✔️ 8. Russian Roulette ✔️ 9. Rookie ✔️ 10. Would U (Single) 11. Red Flavor ✔️ 12. You Better Know (Special Video) 13. Hear The Sea (Special Video) 14. Rebirth (Single) 15. Peek-A-Boo ✔️ 16. I Just 17. Bad Boy ✔️ 18. #Cookie Jar (Japanese) 19. Power Up ✔️ 20. RBB ✔️ 21. Sappy (Japanese) 22. Zimzalabim 23. Milkshake (Special Video) 24. Umpah Umpah 25. Psycho 26. Milky Way (Live Video) 27. Queendom ✔️ 28. Feel My Rhythm ✔️ 29. Wildside (Japanese) ✔️ Subunit/Solo Irene and Seulgi 1. Monster ✔️ 2. Naughty (Episode 1)✔️ 3. Irene (Episode 2 "IRENE") 4. Uncover (Episode 3 "SEULGI") Wendy 5. Like Water ✔️ 6. When This Rain Stops (Live Video) Joy 7. Hello ✔️ 8. Je T’aime (Live Video) Yeri 9. Dear Diary Red Velvet / Solo OSTs Future [Start-Up]- Red Velvet See the stars [Hotel Del Luna]- Red Velvet Don’t Push me [Uncontrollably Fond] - Wendy and Seulgi I can only see you [Hwarang] - Wendy and Seulgi White Night [ Double Patty] - Irene Always [The Crowned Clown] - Seulgi You, Just Like That [Blade & Soul] - Seulgi Because I love you [Mimi - 미미] - Wendy What if love [Touch your Heart] - Wendy Goodbye [The Beauty Inside] - Wendy Return [Who Are You: School 2015] - Wendy (feat. Yuk Jidam) Two words [Start-Up] - Wendy Yeowooya [The Liar and His Lover] - Joy I’m okay [The Liar and His Lover] - Joy Your Days [The Liar and His Lover] - Joy Shiny Boy [The Liar and His Lover] - Joy Waiting for you [The Liar and His Lover] - Joy The way to me [The Liar and His Lover] - Joy OMG! [Tempted (The Great Seducer)] - Joy Introduce me a good person [Hospital Playlist] - Joy Collabs Close to Me (Remix) - Red Velvet, Ellie Goulding, Diplo The Only - Raiden (feat. Irene) Butterfly - Henry (Feat. Seulgi) Darling U - Seulgi and Yesung Hello Tutorial - Zion T (Feat. Seulgi) Wow thing - Seulgi, SinB, Chungha, Soyeon Selfish - Moon byul (feat. Seulgi) Who are you - Bambam (feat. Seulgi) Rose - Seulgi and NCT Taeyong Spring love - Wendy and Eric Nam Written in the stars - Wendy and John Legend One Summer - Wendy and Yang Da ll Be Deep - Tae Jin Son (duet with Wendy) Mayday - Crush (Feat. Joy) Always in my heart - Joy and Lim Seul Ong Hair in the Air - Yeri , NCT dream (Jeno, Jaemin, Renjun) Tuesday is better than Monday - Giant Pink (feat. Yeri) Woman On The Beach - Yeri, Ravi, Jeon woong Sorrow - Yeri, Ravi, Kim Wooseok
they really are the top 3 girl groups in korea and i understand what you say when you talked about how it doesn’t look like it. the big difference is that SM doesn’t really promote them as they should outside korea you know? i think they could get bigger and bigger internationally with a push from their company. although i don’t think people would be so open to their constant change of concepts. here we have a pretty good example, bad boy did so well internationally then we got power up right after it and people hate it because they expected red velvet to keep doing the same sound and mature concept as bad boy. while the general audience didn’t enjoy power up, in korea it’s definitely one of their biggest hits so this duality can be hard to people understand but i personally love and it’s what makes me obsessed with their discography… it’s the unknown of what will come next that makes me so excited every time!!!
Fun fact : Power Up, Zimzalabim, Rookie - these three most not-fav songs by new Luvies, these three songs are the best songs to play when you're in bad/sad mood 😌
SM is so stupid for not promoting them in the US. They gave them the velvet side which is heavily R&B (the 90's early 2000s type) and Bad Boy English Version went viral at KCON NY in 2018 but SM missed the gold chance to push them. No logic other than they never planned them to succeed much. Jokes on SM, Red Velvet is still their most streamed act on global Spotify and their US kpop fanbase is strong
RBB IS SO GOOD THAT IT MIGHT BE MY FAVORITE TITLE TRACK. IT’S THE VOCAL FLEX FOR MEEEE. and well, it’s true, people once again, expected another bad boy sounding song got frustrated when they didn’t get it. it’s like the only song they didn’t get a win on music shows which is SO DISRESPECTFUL SINCE THIS SONG AGED LIKE FINE WINE
31:48 the answers for that question is because of their agency. SM entertainment only focusing Red Velvet in Korea. so internationally they are not as famous as other groups like BLACKPINK but in Korea they are very famous.
Also when Wendy had her accident they got kneecapped career wise because Psycho didn't get get as much promotion. So a year and a half or so went by as well the pandemic where RV went under the radar.
ok first thank you so much for making these videos, it's been really cool to watch and reminding me why i love this group so much second, I understand what you mean!! red velvet is a very very famous group in korea, it's insane how much they sell and are acclaimed internationally they are acclaimed musically very strong, mainly because of the vocals and their different concepts, even with the lack of publicity from SM they manage to get very good tops on the charts The lack of publicity outside of Korea is all SM's fault, they are very well liked abroad by critics, billboard always writes very well about them and has already called them "the best idol group alive". Unfortunately SM is more focused on promoting their boy groups out there, missing the chance to grow even more with red velvet.
Özlem and Esosa, thank you so much for this series! it’s so wonderful watching people falling in love with cake girls! and thank you for reminding me how much i love them❤️
I have always though RV got a little less attention in the 3rd gen wave coming up outside of Korea (with the bubbly concepts being the rage), even though they had momentum with all the early releases, as stated above they are god tier within Korea with the traditional beauty visuals (Irene got an ovation from the crowd in North Korea just for breathing into a mic), vocals, and original Kpop sound on the red side. The Velvet side really started to pick them up in the states (for me anyway, over you tube), all the way through Psycho, and then Wendys accident really put them on hold. I think that year long hiatus really killed their upward trajectory outside Korea and now they get kind of lost in the new generation groups with all the talent out there now. Easily a top 3 group for me as well. Just my opinion from the outside :)
lol actually among those relatively bigger groups internationally, digitally and domestically red velvet clears in ease, they're literally called digimons (digital monsters) by koreans because their audience are literally the general public + their fans. so to answer your question objectively, red velvet was and still on the top 3 with bp and twice. popularity wise they come after them as they have little to zero western promotions, while musically they're much more critically acclaimed.
Red Velvet could be well known internationally if their shit ass company promoted them more overseas bc they already have sooooo many fans overseas but they can very much so expand and gain many many more fans. Then again they are quite massive as a group and I love that for them!!
i completely agree with esosa that like red velvet not being as popular as twice and blackpink are internationally is so weird and confusing. you'll hear general kpop fans and even some locals/normies raving or even just acknowledging the existence of these two groups but never actually knowing rv exists. and i'm pretty sure sm's lack of international, especially western, marketing is to blame. blackpink took the world by storm and that's thanks to their western-friendly concept. as for twice, they had a sort of "western debut" by releasing the english track "the feels". but for red velvet, their marketing is quite simply non-existent. i'm of the opinion that with how insanely talented they are individually but especially as a whole unit, they should be recognized globally and be even more popular than blackpink is, but unfortunately it's not the reality. sm's treatment of girl groups in comparison to boy groups (just think about the marketing for superm compared to got the beat) is unfair and red velvet should be at the top
Red velvet was crowned as the Best Girl Group Alive by the Billboard but unfortunately SM's been lacking in promoting the girls worldwide despite their god tier discography. Honestly, RV is the only kpop group that i stan. They have this versatility and flexibility that whatever genre or concept u throw at them, they can pull it off more than expected. They don't compromise with just a girl crush nor cutesy concept. They're more than "idols". The artistry in their music and concepts are very intellectual and at the same time very enjoying and interesting. For me, they are the concept, they are the genre.
SM doesn't have the same global marketing reach, especially in the US compared to JYP and YG but in Korea they're god-tier. Plus, SM doesn't produce a "global mainstream" type of music for RV. Perhaps the English version of Bad Boy and RBB? But other than nothing comes on top my mind. If you're going to do B-sides, here are some of my recommendations: Look, Kingdom Come, LP, Ladies Night, Sunny Side Up, Taste, Future (Not really a B-side because it's an OST but it's fucking bop), and Close To Me by Ellie Goulding - Red Velvet Remix. Are you also going to dedicate an episode to RV's live performances? Because that would be dope.
I can't believe it's already Day 4! Feels like there's still dozens of days left of content. These were all great choices (as if there are bad ones). Kind of with Esosa's point, it's kind of shocking when you go back to the M/Vs and some have such "low" views ex: Wildside has only 10M. They definitely have songs in the 9 digit views but compared to BP and Twice, it's not close. Not that it really matters to me but going back to Day One when Yeri was dubbed a "better promoter than their company", from my very small knowledge, SM is not the best in terms of promoting comebacks and their artists. Again, I could be wrong and feel free to correct but that's just what I've heard in some comments. Last point, when I'm trying to explain to someone why Red Velvet is my favorite, I will sometimes respond with "Even their screams are in tune." and reference RBB.
Hahaha same struggle with Power Up but…… it always remember that Power Up gave red Velvet the most music shows winnings and numbers 1 in Korea’s charts.
Red velvet’s fandom Reveluvs is a bit weak internationally compared to Blinks and Onces, I think some of the reasons are lack of international promotions and how experimental their music is. Some of their songs take a while to warm up to, like Zimzalabim. Also promotions are centered around the title tracks and red velvet are b side queens, once you check out their full album, you can never go back. I listen to their other tracks more often than their titles. Red Velvet is definitely a top 3 girl group in the 3rd generation of kpop, they are highly respected in Korea and their music production and vocals is always highly complimented. I know some people who didn’t like RBB because of the whistle notes (can’t believe the lack of taste). It is disappointing that SM doesn’t promote them more in the West, they even have collab projects with artists like John Legend and Ellie Goulding. In conclusion, bully tf out of SM ent.
i'm a stan of RV and i'm deffinitely agree that they deserve more recognition for their diverse discography and don't forget about their VOCALS AND HARMONY!!!!
All these gg deserve so much exposure internationally, cuz they are delivering far better track quality production and artistry than what companies promote in reality which are mainly boy groups.
RBB is really underrated tho and for me it’s actually one of their top-tier discography like FOR REAAAAL not to mention this whole RBB mini album SLAPS and is a non-skip album too!! i hope you’ll consider reacting to the b-sides of this album in the future cuz i surely bet you’ll both love every single song in this album too 🙊 anywayy im really enjoying this series!!! my reveluv heart is happy seeing more ppl praising and appreciating my girlies 🥹🫶
The reason RV is not as huge outside Korea like the other two groups comes down to one reason: SM Entertainment, their company. Bad Boy was a huge success, even abroad, yet they never truly explored that. They are one of (if not) their best selling artist in the US, but they keep promoting others despite even getting western companies interested in promoting them abroad. To me, it looks like SM wanted RV to be their local favorite (and they are, Korea's general public adores them all) and once they achieved that, they didn't care about promoting them outside, which sucks because: LOOK. AT. THEM. 💗💛💙💚💜
I've been a ReVeluv from here (Peekaboo era) and I've never had to look back 😎 ... They've been and are still my ultimate bias group along with only other group :)
What i can be proud of as a fan of redvelvet is that they are famous because of the uniqueness of their music. Unlike other groups whom are famous with their visuals and trendy beats.
Psycho would have been their breakout hit for sure if not for Wendy's accident imo. The hiatus really took away a lot of momentum they had built up (tho it did give us the irene and seulgi subunit which i personally loved).
Seulgi's voice is in my personal Top 5 of Anyone I've Ever Heard Sing. But when Joy is on screen it's super difficult to look anywhere else. Two of my three favorite RV songs in this batch (Psycho is the 3rd as you knew it was) and they were at the top in Korea during this time. They were invited to perform in North Korea on a peace mission. One thing I dislike about their videos is the excessive queer-baiting the company does with members (SM knows about the ships and keeps having members making eyes and almost kiss in the m/vs, etc.) Meanwhile Gaycatcher and others put nothing like that in their videos but earn nicknames like Gaycatcher from their real selves. It's a huge difference.
I don't think red velvet makes music not to become famous but to produce quality music for their fans. With their concepts and production, they create quality music with meaningful messages and unique artistry. So if you know them you have found a precious GEM. Also SM need not to put so much effort on promoting them because even North Korea recognized them sooo.
The thing is. Twice are praised not for their music. Neither are blackpink. Only RV of the 3 are. The other 2 may be more popular for numerous reasons. But talent-wise RV was never less than. Also RV popularity in korea is as big as the other 2.
IKRRRRR? im also CONFUSED why r they not no 1. even tho im a reveluv, i think SM is the blame to this. they literally has a diamond in their agency, but they chose to hide them in the basement.
Do you know guys that SM got a collaboration with Wendy and John Legend? . Yessss freaking John Legend. The song and video is AMAZING and it was never promoted. It’s in SM STATION “ Written In The Stars “.
So Red Velvet and Twice are TECHNICALLY both 3rd generation. RV Dropped right at the beginning of 3rd gen (2014) whereas Twice dropped in towards the end (2016? I believe?) So there's definitely a younger crowd and generational difference. Twice has that more bubbly, upbeat vibe whereas Red Velvet is a little bit more R&B, experimental. RV Tho only girl group to perform in NORTH KOREA. That's why they're ranked as nations ambassador group (by netizens) whereas Twice is like "nations girl group" kind of like SNSD was, because they're fandom grew up with them. Or that's at least part of how I understand it. Comparatively if you check out MelOn, and other charts, Red Velvet charts consistently higher or on par with BP, Twice. Red Velvet is a touch less internationally known, Twice and Blackpink are definitely more international, but also check the amount of awards RV won for Psycho WHEN THEY NEVER PROMOTED IT due to Wendy's injuries (Good job SBS..), check out their Spotify streams they've ranked over Twice and Blackpink for Spotify streams pretty consistently especially with Psycho/Queendom/Feel My Rhythm.
About why RV isn't well known globally, I think SM never thought of promoting RV to the Western market since they felt RV is enough to dominate the Asian market at that point. SM always focus on Asian market incl. Japan and China that they feel that they don't even need to have a representative business partner in the West. Since BTS and BP era that proved how big the Western market can be, then SM form a partnership with Warner Music for AESPA. Red Velvet already a senior for (even) most of the 3rd generation group (passing the 8th years and into the 9th years already) so I think SM would rather promote the 4th generation to the Western market now in 2022. If only at SM already promoted RV in a global scale in the Bad Boy era, I think history would be written differently. And yet here we are now, even me as a late 50 years old guy still loving RV song (especially their Velvet side) and their solo (especially Wendy) in 2022 more than other younger group. I don't care much about the dancing etc. (how old you can be to rely on dancing anyway), it's about the music and the vocals and the latest RV Feel My Rhythm made me loved them more. They are truly unique.
around 16:25 regarding top girl groups- YES! the top three girl groups have been Blackpink, Twice, and Red Velvet for some time now. I would say if you would have to add competition (at least between 3rd generation girl groups) you would have to add in mamamoo to make the top four. Outside of them all being from the Big 3 Companies- Blackpink gained popularity straight from their debut. Twice from their first comeback. And red velvet was popular at debut but was still labeled as SMs 'failed group' (but that happens with every new group they put out so I don't think it meant much) And then red velvet really gained traction with Dumb Dumb! I would say the only reason Red Velvet doesn't seem too popular to you is that reveluvs are a very vocal fanbase- its hard to find them on Twitter or other sites planning streaming songs, projects, comeback plans, etc like other fandoms. And along with their timidness there's less voting with them as well-meaning not a collection of awards like some other groups but they still win a lot. BUT regardless Red Velvet are extremely critically popular and had a collection of big awards.
Fun fact: Bad Boy is the first kpop girlgroup song to chart in US Spotify. But their company never prioritised them .
Its just because spotify wasnt à big thing at that era lol not a big deal
@@willa9880 not a big deal for you but a big deal for us fans, red velvet brings money to that crappy company but never in their 9 year career did sm prioritized them
@@capseul red velvet also the first sm group gets PAK with their power up song, but sm didn't even care
@@arasshii3918SM groups technically could have earn many PAKs but at that time SM has beef with Cyworld which are needed to reach PAK so no SM groups could get PAK until RV with Power Up.
@@willa9880 Doesn’t matter still was the first girl group
That whistle note in the beginning of RBB is a D7, and was actually hit by Irene!! I think Seulgi said somewhere that all five of them tried it, but the producers went with Irene’s take in the end.
they all tried but they couldn’t do it, expect for irene
And she had to fold over to squeeze out the note. I've seen a video where Oh My Girl Seunghee did that note or a touch higher upright and didn't even look strained so I always hoped they would cover it.
Yeah hahaha she even explained they had to flip the mic upside down so she could record it (honestly, they should've just scared her, would've worked the same way lmao) but yeah... RV keeps you on your toes you never know who's gonna surprise you next lol 😂
that's not really whistle note but half of scream. that whistle note is end part of seulgi and wendy did in the song. and irene's part that is mix from irene voice and demo.
*the scream is Irene and the demo singer
only the #REAL ones know rbb is a gem plus this is no doubt one of their most vocally challenging songs😭 there’s a reason why no one’s ever covered rbb
TRUEEE
I am gonna be honest, I have been listening to this group since their Queendom era and these are the things that I noticed -
When I was not much aware of pop, the only girl group name I heard was Blackpink and Twice. I was not much interested in Kpop at that moment, but when I heard Red Velvet, I was drowned in their music. I was like WTF......how is this group not at the top? why does everyone not know about this group just like BP and Twice? I wish that I had known them much before.
I still don't understand why this group is not at the top. It's not just the title track, but their b-sides also sound better than most groups' title tracks. This group is just out of this world and still unrecognized. This group literally has everything, vocals, visuals, choreo, best MV's, literally everything. I don't want to hurt anyone but personally, I feel Red Velvet's music, vocals, MV's, and b-sides, are far better than any other group.
I just wish these girls get the exposure they deserve.
My feelings are similar. I didn't get into kpop until the pandemic and it was only Blackpink.. When I stumbled upon RV music I had the same WTF moment! It frustrates me to the core that they aren't up there with BP and Twice where they deserve. But SM is blame for that
the same for dreamcatcher and loona
Facts!!!!
@@ashtray2004 same with me
The lack of promotion their company gives them is frustrating
unfortunately for them, SM doesnt promote them as much as their other groups. they really get the bare minimum every single comeback and its truly frustrating. every single achievement is solely because of Red Velvet and never SM. Like imagine being one of the big 3’s without any US promotions. their comebacks are usually just attending a few music shows and thats it. Capitol Music Group have been wishing to work with them for US promotions and the executive of Warner Bros said were collaborating with them but to no avail. Idk what’s up with SM but Red Velvet deserves better.
i feel a shift happened after them resigning and with feel my rhythm
@@perfectrevelvet Please spell it re-signing, because resigning means quitting :)
@@xheralt English is a complicated language 😂
I know , but no matter what, rv win my heart
@@perfectrevelvet I think they will continue that after psycho era,, but strange happened after Wendy accident then comes with COVID they didn't continue side frm that SM promote AESPA now.. Wendy accident and COVID makes their time long rest imagined if they those didn't happened part of it also about Irene issue which kinda sus bcoz it push AESPA debut promotion... Actually it's never too late but somehow they already 8 yrs in industry members also have solo sched and project kinda late too if they already did that in 6 nor 7 yrs of them probably it will have a chance . Wishing atleast someday SM atleast let them even just one promotion frm us nor even just music label atleast.
Red Velvet is HUGE. They hold/break streaming records, album selling records, they have tons of brand deals (especially Irene), they act, etc. But like Oslem said, they don't seem big bc they are not promoted as much on the Western scene. SM is terrible at promoting them in general. In terms of Queendom, not that that's a bad song but I think that Luvies were expecting more from them after Psycho. So after Joy and Wendy's solos and then Feel My Rhythm came out, it seems like "ah yes, here's red velvet."
Really enjoying this series btw. RV is within my top 5 gg so I love seeing you fall for them :)
Queendom was their first song after their big hiatus and actually RV were starting to promote in the west (which Is why they did a fan meeting in the US and the troll movie) but the Wendy's accident stopped everything. You can blame Sment for something they had no control with. They were supposed to promote Psycho in the US too
Their company didn’t even recognize RV’s achievements. They are SM’s top artists in Spotify, their songs are charting in the US but the company don’t give them US promotions even after Bad boy’s success ☹️
red velvet are HUGE huge but honestly if sm had invested more in red velvet promotions they would be more popular internationally right now. that doesn't mean they're not recognized tho like red velvet are known for their harmony and discography, wendy as best kpop vocalist seulgi best all-rounder within kpop in general. so many of their title tracks get labelled as soty by even non-fans. they can be more popular of course but they are in a really good position. they're counted among the top ggs of 3rd gen with bp and twice tho not as known as them but they're def not far behind. speaking from my personal bias they should be the even more popular like the music is god tier.
Long story short about RV's position in the industry is that SM always tend to give them the short end of the stick, eversince their debut. 2014 was so messy for SM and they had to rush RV debut, and then SM probably didn't expect RV to be doing this well in the industry. Because, contrary to the global promotions of other SM groups you might have heard, RV (and EXO) is the one that's doing the best globally, despite little to zero promotions.
But also, RV's versatile image makes it easier for SM to throw any concept at them, and then they still managed to pull it off excellently. I'd say out of the more popular groups, RV is definitely the most versatile and unexpected, and that is their strong point.
Also, they are very popular as B-side queens, both in Korea and internationally, as their B-sides are as good as, or even better than their titles sometimes. (Hopefully you guys could check out their B-sides later on ;))
No SM group ever got the shorter end of the stick than f(x). A lot of initial resistance to RV, even among SM stans, was because of the perception that RV's debut was taking (already inadequate) resources away from f(x)! I never subscribed to that, because I liked both groups.
Yes sm doesn't promote RV and EXO outside of Asian countries as much as they should've 💯😩
I'm a reveluv so I might be a little biased. The thing with Red Velvet is that they always had stable hits (since debut, actually). They are very very famous in Korea, even with the General Public. They're known as Summer Queens in Korea, for example, i think after Power Up. Red Flavor was and is a summer anthem until now. They were invited to perform in North Korea for a diplomacy event before. Every song they release charts well and for a long time, too. Incuding b-sides. They're huge in Asia! (China, Japan, Philippines, among others).
They're acknowledged as one of the biggest girl groups. It's true that they are not much promoted internationally - compared with other famous girl groups. SM Entertainment is the one to be blamed for that. Haha. (Just look at the amount of promo compared to others HAHA. They have less than 5 dance practice videos!) Too many missed opportunities, especially with pushing them to the Western Market. Bad Boy and Psycho are their biggest Western hits, they had sold out concert tours in US in just a few minutes, SM did not ride the wave. -_-
They are music critics' favorites though, top tier discography. They were named by Billboard as the "best idol group alive" before, and on their 8th year they are still continuously breaking records so that's a feat that not many idol groups achieve.
About Queendom and Feel My Rhythm. I feel like with Queendom, a lot were underwhelmed maybe because it felt safe. With FMR, it felt very Red Velvet, iykwim. Oh and another factor for a relatively smaller but solid fandom might be because of their concept switches - which is ironically what luvies love most and take pride in. (Oops that's a long read, sorry. So thankful I've stumbled upon your reaction videos!! I'm a new subscriber. Hihi)
I think for me, it's because SM...they don't promote their idols very well as the others companies. I agree that RV has more stable and more hits and they have versatility that the rest of the groups don't have but SM needs to take care more of their groups...the same happened with f(x), they actually abandoned them...so sad until now.
they are the most followed gg on melon in Korea also overall the best charting one they stay months over months on charts
@@DarkFoncho at first i thought sm just didn’t want to promote them/acknowledge their achievements because they only wanted their male artists and groups to be the most successful (they never signed rv to a us label nor promote them there) if you compare the way sm is pushing aespa (coachella, us label and promotions, interviews, how they take care of their image) you can tell they simply have favorites. but still after all the blockages from sm red velvet always thrives, their legacy lives on and you can tell they will be the ones being remembered
Facts!
@@user-ou4ct9nm5y yes they have so much potential
Also fun fact, RV had collabed with Ellie Goulding and Wendy had collabed with John Legend.
Yep. I know. Their promotions really suck for these big collabs to not be heard that much in the scene.
I agree with your logic that red velvet should be even more recognized cause their music is amazing.
What i know from being a luvie since peek a boo, red velvet is really really popular in Asia and its super big in Korea, they all know red velvet, even the generic public listen to them it's not just the kfandom, but the gp who loves them, if you see digitals Rv is one of the groups who are mos streammed and people are always excited for their comebacks.
I feel like international there is a lot of support, but SM never promote them, with a lot of comebacks they entered charts in the US and broke records without even trying, but SM never look at them and prefer to send other groups and invest money to try to break that market even when red velvet entered without any promotions or help from the company.
Sm should treat better their gg :)
Psycho broke so many records without them promoting the song because of Wendy's fall and without SM promoting them.
Candy C I do t think you understand OPs comment. And most say this same comment you just comment...
I feel like "Peekaboo" is where Yeri REALLY started shining and coming into her own. Also omg the fucking choreography is IMMACULATE. This is also where she HARD CONCRETED her bias wrecker status for me. Also AleXa in P48 so good. Lol.
BAD BOY - WHAT CAN I EVEN SAY. PERFECTION. IMMACULATE. BEAUTIFUL. 100000% EXCELLENCE. JUST AHHHHHHHHH.
The main character with a scream in the middle of the song is Irene. It is the highest-pitched song in Korean idol history.
@AR!EL ♪ Hayoung whistle is A6, Irene whistle is D7 but that's both so amazing.
@@전가호-d3k which one is higher?
@AR!EL ♪ I'm sorry. I didn't get the latest update
@strawberry right, that's hard to compare cuz hayoung can do it easily.
it's not just a scream, the scream has a note . Classical musicians said it.
Red Velvet are not as big as some other groups number wise but they are loved by public and critics. I've learned about them in 2019 after reading the article on their performancec in North Korea. You can say that this means something. Also they loved by k hip-hop artists, this is also a high praise. RV's wide spectrum of styles and fearless experiments are a deterrent for a lot of people but that is OK, you can't please everyone. They are making good music that's what important.
I think most of the people who love RV are those who love varieties of music. RV always change concepts in music and also in their MV. In my country, people said RV's music is music for musicians.
They really deserve the top spot girl group. Their B-sides are amazing too.
Fun fact: Red Velvet has the most #1 albums on US iTunes of any girl group. This includes Fifth Harmony, Little Mix, Blackpink and Twice. They aren't promoted as well anywhere, but they do make numbers. They have two songs that are eligible for gold certification in the United States, and they have the most streamed song from their company (SM) on Spotify.
Their US tour was one of the most successful tours in the US for 2019. It sold fast with a high ticket price. It's mainly the lack of investment from SM. We like to call Red Velvet the organic queens, because they do a lot with nothing and they continue to grow.
Currently, Red Velvet is the #2 best selling girl group on Hanteo and the 3rd best selling girl group on Gaon. They are also the only act in their company to have songs reach 2.5 million downloads.
Red Velvet generally has a lot of casual listeners internationally and domestically. In Korea, they're considered as a group that's among the general public's picks, in a sense that most of their releases chart well.
Most of what builds up a strong core fanbase revolves around the availability of contents (particularly those outside of music). They're not as big internationally compared to groups like Blackpink or Twice because of the lack of available and accessible contents.
For example, their reality show, Level Up Project, is only available on obscure platforms that are region-locked so people outside Korea can't watch it, and I believe (cmiiw) that even Koreans can't watch these shows without downloading the relatively unknown apps (Oksusu/Wavve). Also, they only really started uploading additional promotional contents from 2020, so if you scroll down their group's YT channel, you'll notice that they only really used it to upload video teasers for music videos before. Even when it comes to basic promotional things like dance practice videos or jacket photoshoot behind vlogs, you'll notice the terrible lack of content prior to 2020. Since their debut in 2014, the group has had less than 5 dance practice videos - we always joke about how SM only uploads their dance practice when they move to a different building, the level of digital promotions were handled that badly by SM.
A lot of people listen to their music casually, but it's difficult for people to actually join the fandom because there's nothing to watch if they ever get curious about the group. Despite this, they're still one of SM's most successful groups internationally.
The casual rotating fandom is also due to the different concepts each cb and not sticking to a genre or a theme like BP or twice for that matter. Even among the fandom, the divide is seen every cb.
But yeah, I love that they've been true to their origins, Red and Velvet concepts and eventually clubbing them both, and now are doing whatever they feel and are still doing unique concepts :)
FINALLY SOMEONE SAID IT !!
For me personally RV is definitely my fav 3rd gen group.
And yes just like u said how come this group is not on top of the world like the other group while they're so damn good like this (gonna blame SM for this) 😡
I've been in music industry since late 90s and following kpop since SNSD Gee era till now, so I had so much music reference and quite have high music standards.
And this is one of the reasons why I like RV, because you'll never can guess what are they gonna make in the future (no offense) unlike the others) 😶
And yes they always keep make me surprised 😂
Glad that finally someone said it.
Nice reaction ladies 👏🏻
Thx u
Wendy has a collaboration with John Legend, "Written in the Stars" that is criminally under exposed
Close to me redvelvet remix is more underrated i think new reveluvs don't know this existed
@@rohanpatel767 Close to me even won at Billboard Music Award!
Ohhhh you don't ready for the Bsides!!!!!! They are THE QUEENS of bsides. No one can even come near their level!!!!
What’s funny about Power Up is it’s one of the first RV songs I’d ever heard, and it made me want to stan because it felt like a song I should hate, and yet I loved it. I was still new to kpop, and this was my stereotypical interpretation of what I thought all kpop was (super bright and colourful, a little weird and quirky), and at the time I didn’t think I would like that concept. But RV kinda challenged my expectations and opened me up to it. It is definitely a mood song though. Put it on a work out playlist or summertime playlist and you’ll have a blast. The Summer Magic album also has some of my favourite bsides like Blue Lemonade. Highly recommend.
It brings me much joy to see RBB get the praise it deserves! I love it soooo much. RV is my ult group just because of the pure quality of their songs. Joy's voice is SO unique, it always amazes me.
I definitely agree that RV isn't as appreciated as other groups internationally but they do have an int fandom. Personally they weren't the first girl group I listened to but once I found them, I couldn't go back. They went straight to be my #1 girl group in terms of talent and obviously bc they're music is soooo good
sm never promotes them. that's the reason. bad boy and psycho are already eligible for gold in the US without any US promo. their japanese debut was in 2018, very late compared to twice and bp. japan is a big market for kpop yet they didn't promote any music there either, just concerts and a few magazines. they definitely had so much potential, they still have it even in their 8th year, but still no push by the company. only thing sm does right for rv is producing good music
Yeha but sad to say sm did aespa promote in west to early but back when rv was a rookie they did not do promote them well.
i'm enjoying this serie so much, love to see you discovering more of red velvet and remembering myself why i love them so much
me too 😁
Red Velvet is #1 if you rank them in vocals, visuals, concepts, choreo, weaponry…. We have come across so many KPop reactors who claim to be KPop experts with 50+ Black Pink and Twice MVs, but no Red Velvet reactions 🤣. After reacting to them, they always say “why am I so late in discovering Red Velvet”. At least many see the extraordinary performances that they have been missing but some still can’t get over the fact that their favorite group is not the only one with talent. Many are very young toxic fans.
Red Velvet came in with a disadvantage by having to follow the Korean favorite, Girls Generation. The public did not like anyone to come is as their replacement. Another reason for the mixed reviews were due to their very diverse concepts. If they heard a Red bubbly concept and did not care for it, they never really got a second chance. Only after following their diverse discography for a while, you start appreciating everything they do. Imagine you came across them right when they came down with, Power Up, you probably would not have shown them much interest on the following release.
I agree with what you said about Red Velvet, when I didn't know much about Kpop, I only knew Backpink and Twice's names. I started to check out Red Velvet by coincidence because Irene caught my eye on Tik Tok and I'm sooooo happy that she did cause they're my favorite. And I got to discover the other girls in the group and they're all amazing
15:46 speaking of this, no, red velvet is still one of the big three girl groups. everybody knows about them people love their music but honestly i think it may have something to do with their promotion
OH MY GOODNESS YES YES YES!!!! I clicked so fast when I saw the notification, I am so glad that you guys reacted to more Red Velvet (Justice for Automatic) I just got to say I love ALL of these songs just everything about them all Red Velvet just hits every time their songs are Amazing! Peek-A-Boo is just so ICONIC that's where Joy got the nickname The Girl in the Rainbow Dress and the whole LGBT outfits are Fabulous and don't get me started on Yeri, Bad Boy was my first song from them and will forever be my favorite or at least have a special place in my heart and not to mention all of the Gayness in that one as well like the JoyRene kiss and the notebook (Im pretty sure it says "These are not lips" or something close to that) I also just want to say that this has to be one of my favorite eras for all of them because WOW and Wendy's eyes are just stunning, Power Up and RBB at first I liked them but they were not really my favorites but now I LOVE them I can't stop singing them like Power Up is super underrated plus the Wendy, Irene, Seulgi, and Joy rap was amazing (too bad Yeri didn't get many lines though she would have went nuts on it) plus the Reveluv thing was Adorable, and RBB was so Iconic (the whole Album was actually all of their Albums are amazing) plus I just have to mention Seulgi's blonde hair, Wendy's abs like HELLO, and the WenRene moment YES just everything! Anyways I can't you guys to react to more Red Velvet such as more Music Videos, B - Sides, Live Performances, Covers, Dance Practices, Moments, and of course Ships! I can't wait for more Content from you guys and I hope that you both are doing well and staying safe and healthy!
P.S. If you ever need any good Videos I could totally help you out with that if you need it, also that scream in Really Bad Boy was Irene I am pretty sure that it was the highest note ever recorded in the studio or at least one of them!!
To address Esosa’s thoughts about Red Velvet’s international recognition: before I was into kpop, I actually heard about Red Velvet before I even heard about Blackpink, sometime around 2017-2018ish (around the same time I heard about Twice). They’ve collabed with some Western artists like Ellie Goulding and John Legend. I didn’t check out their music at the time, but when I started getting into kpop, I distinctly remembered hearing about them. They’ve even toured in the West as well. I think Twice and BP get more views and hype, but RV is still well appreciated.
thanks to this series i'm revisiting all those past bops & realizing how much i actually like red velvet's music. i kinda stopped following them after a certain era (rbb??) & just checked out their mv but yeah. i'm gonna have to listen to their entire discography again because they have bops for days. get into their b-sides guys.
Day 1 is literally one of their best albums 😭
In terms of international, you are right Red Velvet might not be more recognized compared to BLACKPINK and TWICE non-kpop fan wise.
BUT…I believe Red Velvet songs are the kind of songs international fans will love as experimental as it is. Songs like Ice Cream Cake, DUMB DUMB, Russian Roulette, Red Flavor, Peek-A-Boo, Bad Boy, and Psycho are songs that are highly recognized and popular..even trending/viral at those times of releases. They just forget it’s RED VELVET who sings/performs those songs. Then when they realize those songs are from RED VELVET, they’ll be like oh we should start listening to them more.
Red Velvet has done an US tour and it was successful and made new fans. They got a good amount of exposure social media wise with doing interviews in English and some RUclips exposure too. Maybe not in the same level like other groups who go on talk shows and perform. I think it’s more of a SM media/management problem tbh. I do agree they need more international activities because they can definitely be even more popular. But alas.. it’s a SM thing. They are focused on other things and feel that other groups are more set for the US market than Red Velvet. Which is such a shame… SM should put even more effort for Red Velvet.
Red Velvet always try something new. They constantly have a different concept. They are willing to experiment with sometimes fantastic reception and other times not so much but they exude versatility and fearlessness. Groups like BP and Twice stay loyal to their sound. And fans have grown to really love that. BP with their dance/hip-hop/pop style and twice with their colourful and bright/sweet tunes that just make you happy. And people like to know what they are getting into so I feel it makes both of those groups seem to have more stability within the music and their fans. Nothing wrong with either way people just like consistency. All groups are incredibly talented and deserve vast recognition.
I hope that made sense. Sorry for the poorly constructed essay.
Please don't stop! Haha we're loving this series. They have so many songs and very very good songs!
I agree with you. Why are they not #1?!!!Please don’t forget. ‘Automatic’ .❤️
GIRL, PREACH!!! Also we know how bad the companies treat their idols and barely give them money.
Iconic fact: Bad boy was the song that started the english version's phase of RD. There's a English version of Bad boy AND of RBB (and that was all lmao)
Red Velvet MVs
1. Happiness (Single)✔️
2. Be Natural (Single)✔️
3. Automatic
4. Ice Cream Cake ✔️
5. Dumb Dumb ✔️
6. Wish Tree (Single)
7. One Of These Nights ✔️
8. Russian Roulette ✔️
9. Rookie ✔️
10. Would U (Single)
11. Red Flavor ✔️
12. You Better Know (Special Video)
13. Hear The Sea (Special Video)
14. Rebirth (Single)
15. Peek-A-Boo ✔️
16. I Just
17. Bad Boy ✔️
18. #Cookie Jar (Japanese)
19. Power Up ✔️
20. RBB ✔️
21. Sappy (Japanese)
22. Zimzalabim
23. Milkshake (Special Video)
24. Umpah Umpah
25. Psycho
26. Milky Way (Live Video)
27. Queendom ✔️
28. Feel My Rhythm ✔️
29. Wildside (Japanese) ✔️
Subunit/Solo
Irene and Seulgi
1. Monster ✔️
2. Naughty (Episode 1)✔️
3. Irene (Episode 2 "IRENE")
4. Uncover (Episode 3 "SEULGI")
Wendy
5. Like Water ✔️
6. When This Rain Stops (Live Video)
Joy
7. Hello ✔️
8. Je T’aime (Live Video)
Yeri
9. Dear Diary
Red Velvet / Solo OSTs
Future [Start-Up]- Red Velvet
See the stars [Hotel Del Luna]- Red Velvet
Don’t Push me [Uncontrollably Fond] - Wendy and Seulgi
I can only see you [Hwarang] - Wendy and Seulgi
White Night [ Double Patty] - Irene
Always [The Crowned Clown] - Seulgi
You, Just Like That [Blade & Soul] - Seulgi
Because I love you [Mimi - 미미] - Wendy
What if love [Touch your Heart] - Wendy
Goodbye [The Beauty Inside] - Wendy
Return [Who Are You: School 2015] - Wendy (feat. Yuk Jidam)
Two words [Start-Up] - Wendy
Yeowooya [The Liar and His Lover] - Joy
I’m okay [The Liar and His Lover] - Joy
Your Days [The Liar and His Lover] - Joy
Shiny Boy [The Liar and His Lover] - Joy
Waiting for you [The Liar and His Lover] - Joy
The way to me [The Liar and His Lover] - Joy
OMG! [Tempted (The Great Seducer)] - Joy
Introduce me a good person [Hospital Playlist] - Joy
Collabs
Close to Me (Remix) - Red Velvet, Ellie Goulding, Diplo
The Only - Raiden (feat. Irene)
Butterfly - Henry (Feat. Seulgi)
Darling U - Seulgi and Yesung
Hello Tutorial - Zion T (Feat. Seulgi)
Wow thing - Seulgi, SinB, Chungha, Soyeon
Selfish - Moon byul (feat. Seulgi)
Who are you - Bambam (feat. Seulgi)
Rose - Seulgi and NCT Taeyong
Spring love - Wendy and Eric Nam
Written in the stars - Wendy and John Legend
One Summer - Wendy and Yang Da ll
Be Deep - Tae Jin Son (duet with Wendy)
Mayday - Crush (Feat. Joy)
Always in my heart - Joy and Lim Seul Ong
Hair in the Air - Yeri , NCT dream (Jeno, Jaemin, Renjun)
Tuesday is better than Monday - Giant Pink (feat. Yeri)
Woman On The Beach - Yeri, Ravi, Jeon woong
Sorrow - Yeri, Ravi, Kim Wooseok
they really are the top 3 girl groups in korea and i understand what you say when you talked about how it doesn’t look like it. the big difference is that SM doesn’t really promote them as they should outside korea you know? i think they could get bigger and bigger internationally with a push from their company. although i don’t think people would be so open to their constant change of concepts. here we have a pretty good example, bad boy did so well internationally then we got power up right after it and people hate it because they expected red velvet to keep doing the same sound and mature concept as bad boy. while the general audience didn’t enjoy power up, in korea it’s definitely one of their biggest hits so this duality can be hard to people understand but i personally love and it’s what makes me obsessed with their discography… it’s the unknown of what will come next that makes me so excited every time!!!
Fun fact :
Power Up, Zimzalabim, Rookie - these three most not-fav songs by new Luvies, these three songs are the best songs to play when you're in bad/sad mood 😌
I also love Zimzalabim
Im playing it when im happy or in good mood because it is giving me good vibes❤️
SM is so stupid for not promoting them in the US. They gave them the velvet side which is heavily R&B (the 90's early 2000s type) and Bad Boy English Version went viral at KCON NY in 2018 but SM missed the gold chance to push them. No logic other than they never planned them to succeed much. Jokes on SM, Red Velvet is still their most streamed act on global Spotify and their US kpop fanbase is strong
RBB IS SO GOOD THAT IT MIGHT BE MY FAVORITE TITLE TRACK. IT’S THE VOCAL FLEX FOR MEEEE. and well, it’s true, people once again, expected another bad boy sounding song got frustrated when they didn’t get it. it’s like the only song they didn’t get a win on music shows which is SO DISRESPECTFUL SINCE THIS SONG AGED LIKE FINE WINE
31:48 the answers for that question is because of their agency. SM entertainment only focusing Red Velvet in Korea. so internationally they are not as famous as other groups like BLACKPINK but in Korea they are very famous.
Also when Wendy had her accident they got kneecapped career wise because Psycho didn't get get as much promotion. So a year and a half or so went by as well the pandemic where RV went under the radar.
"How are they not number one?" My question too.
ok first thank you so much for making these videos, it's been really cool to watch and reminding me why i love this group so much
second, I understand what you mean!! red velvet is a very very famous group in korea, it's insane how much they sell and are acclaimed
internationally they are acclaimed musically very strong, mainly because of the vocals and their different concepts, even with the lack of publicity from SM they manage to get very good tops on the charts
The lack of publicity outside of Korea is all SM's fault, they are very well liked abroad by critics, billboard always writes very well about them and has already called them "the best idol group alive". Unfortunately SM is more focused on promoting their boy groups out there, missing the chance to grow even more with red velvet.
Need more weeks for red velvet b-side. You will enjoy it for sure. Because they know as queen of b-side
Joy leaves me speachless with all her being!! her voice, her bauty!!!
Özlem and Esosa, thank you so much for this series! it’s so wonderful watching people falling in love with cake girls! and thank you for reminding me how much i love them❤️
I have always though RV got a little less attention in the 3rd gen wave coming up outside of Korea (with the bubbly concepts being the rage), even though they had momentum with all the early releases, as stated above they are god tier within Korea with the traditional beauty visuals (Irene got an ovation from the crowd in North Korea just for breathing into a mic), vocals, and original Kpop sound on the red side. The Velvet side really started to pick them up in the states (for me anyway, over you tube), all the way through Psycho, and then Wendys accident really put them on hold. I think that year long hiatus really killed their upward trajectory outside Korea and now they get kind of lost in the new generation groups with all the talent out there now. Easily a top 3 group for me as well. Just my opinion from the outside :)
lol actually among those relatively bigger groups internationally, digitally and domestically red velvet clears in ease, they're literally called digimons (digital monsters) by koreans because their audience are literally the general public + their fans. so to answer your question objectively, red velvet was and still on the top 3 with bp and twice. popularity wise they come after them as they have little to zero western promotions, while musically they're much more critically acclaimed.
Red Velvet could be well known internationally if their shit ass company promoted them more overseas bc they already have sooooo many fans overseas but they can very much so expand and gain many many more fans.
Then again they are quite massive as a group and I love that for them!!
i completely agree with esosa that like red velvet not being as popular as twice and blackpink are internationally is so weird and confusing. you'll hear general kpop fans and even some locals/normies raving or even just acknowledging the existence of these two groups but never actually knowing rv exists. and i'm pretty sure sm's lack of international, especially western, marketing is to blame. blackpink took the world by storm and that's thanks to their western-friendly concept. as for twice, they had a sort of "western debut" by releasing the english track "the feels". but for red velvet, their marketing is quite simply non-existent. i'm of the opinion that with how insanely talented they are individually but especially as a whole unit, they should be recognized globally and be even more popular than blackpink is, but unfortunately it's not the reality. sm's treatment of girl groups in comparison to boy groups (just think about the marketing for superm compared to got the beat) is unfair and red velvet should be at the top
Red Velvet is part of the third generation of Kpop, along with Blackpink, Twice, EXO, GOT7, etc.
The best generation, in my opinion.
Red velvet was crowned as the Best Girl Group Alive by the Billboard but unfortunately SM's been lacking in promoting the girls worldwide despite their god tier discography. Honestly, RV is the only kpop group that i stan. They have this versatility and flexibility that whatever genre or concept u throw at them, they can pull it off more than expected. They don't compromise with just a girl crush nor cutesy concept. They're more than "idols". The artistry in their music and concepts are very intellectual and at the same time very enjoying and interesting. For me, they are the concept, they are the genre.
SM doesn't have the same global marketing reach, especially in the US compared to JYP and YG but in Korea they're god-tier. Plus, SM doesn't produce a "global mainstream" type of music for RV. Perhaps the English version of Bad Boy and RBB? But other than nothing comes on top my mind.
If you're going to do B-sides, here are some of my recommendations: Look, Kingdom Come, LP, Ladies Night, Sunny Side Up, Taste, Future (Not really a B-side because it's an OST but it's fucking bop), and Close To Me by Ellie Goulding - Red Velvet Remix.
Are you also going to dedicate an episode to RV's live performances? Because that would be dope.
@@riffgroove Exactly. That's why I am not complaining as long they're producing the best music out there.
Red Velvet's songs, especially the velvet concept, have a lot of high quality songs Red Velvet's originality that idol groups can't overcome
Well their exposure did jump up dramatically for album sales from queendom 350k to FMR 650k.
“Or is it they harmonize more”🤭🤭
Can’t wait for y’all to watch Queendom and Feel My Rhythm Recording Behind
I can't believe it's already Day 4! Feels like there's still dozens of days left of content. These were all great choices (as if there are bad ones). Kind of with Esosa's point, it's kind of shocking when you go back to the M/Vs and some have such "low" views ex: Wildside has only 10M. They definitely have songs in the 9 digit views but compared to BP and Twice, it's not close. Not that it really matters to me but going back to Day One when Yeri was dubbed a "better promoter than their company", from my very small knowledge, SM is not the best in terms of promoting comebacks and their artists. Again, I could be wrong and feel free to correct but that's just what I've heard in some comments. Last point, when I'm trying to explain to someone why Red Velvet is my favorite, I will sometimes respond with "Even their screams are in tune." and reference RBB.
“How many favorite songs am I gonna have” girl wait till u listen to their albums they're known for having the best b-sides.
Lol true! I hope they make a series for Red Velvet b-sides next 😍
RED VELVET PERFECT GROUP YES
Hahaha same struggle with Power Up but…… it always remember that Power Up gave red Velvet the most music shows winnings and numbers 1 in Korea’s charts.
Red velvet’s fandom Reveluvs is a bit weak internationally compared to Blinks and Onces, I think some of the reasons are lack of international promotions and how experimental their music is. Some of their songs take a while to warm up to, like Zimzalabim.
Also promotions are centered around the title tracks and red velvet are b side queens, once you check out their full album, you can never go back. I listen to their other tracks more often than their titles.
Red Velvet is definitely a top 3 girl group in the 3rd generation of kpop, they are highly respected in Korea and their music production and vocals is always highly complimented.
I know some people who didn’t like RBB because of the whistle notes (can’t believe the lack of taste).
It is disappointing that SM doesn’t promote them more in the West, they even have collab projects with artists like John Legend and Ellie Goulding.
In conclusion, bully tf out of SM ent.
i'm a stan of RV and i'm deffinitely agree that they deserve more recognition for their diverse discography and don't forget about their VOCALS AND HARMONY!!!!
All these gg deserve so much exposure internationally, cuz they are delivering far better track quality production and artistry than what companies promote in reality which are mainly boy groups.
RBB is really underrated tho and for me it’s actually one of their top-tier discography like FOR REAAAAL not to mention this whole RBB mini album SLAPS and is a non-skip album too!! i hope you’ll consider reacting to the b-sides of this album in the future cuz i surely bet you’ll both love every single song in this album too 🙊 anywayy im really enjoying this series!!! my reveluv heart is happy seeing more ppl praising and appreciating my girlies 🥹🫶
The reason RV is not as huge outside Korea like the other two groups comes down to one reason: SM Entertainment, their company.
Bad Boy was a huge success, even abroad, yet they never truly explored that. They are one of (if not) their best selling artist in the US, but they keep promoting others despite even getting western companies interested in promoting them abroad.
To me, it looks like SM wanted RV to be their local favorite (and they are, Korea's general public adores them all) and once they achieved that, they didn't care about promoting them outside, which sucks because: LOOK. AT. THEM. 💗💛💙💚💜
Red Velvet is a number ONE girlgroup for me!! Their music, concept, Theory, voice, and of course their B side... Never disappointed 👍👍💞
I've been a ReVeluv from here (Peekaboo era) and I've never had to look back 😎 ... They've been and are still my ultimate bias group along with only other group :)
This album is the best album of rv and their best era so far. From pick a boo, bad boy, rbb and psycho. This is also no1 on my playlist
What i can be proud of as a fan of redvelvet is that they are famous because of the uniqueness of their music. Unlike other groups whom are famous with their visuals and trendy beats.
I love Red Velvet and Twice. Personally from the 3rd gen I love Red Velvet music the most, and then Twice and Mamamoo.
YESSSSSSS BAD BOY/REALLY BAD BOY TIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIME. LITERALLYYYYYYY ded. SEULGI'S MURDERBANG ERA.
This day has all my favorites songs from them other then look and feel my rhythm
Psycho would have been their breakout hit for sure if not for Wendy's accident imo. The hiatus really took away a lot of momentum they had built up (tho it did give us the irene and seulgi subunit which i personally loved).
rbb really is their best tt to me like the production is everythingggg and the era too
Summer magic EP saved me from depression. I’m so grateful that EP exist
Seulgi's voice is in my personal Top 5 of Anyone I've Ever Heard Sing. But when Joy is on screen it's super difficult to look anywhere else. Two of my three favorite RV songs in this batch (Psycho is the 3rd as you knew it was) and they were at the top in Korea during this time. They were invited to perform in North Korea on a peace mission. One thing I dislike about their videos is the excessive queer-baiting the company does with members (SM knows about the ships and keeps having members making eyes and almost kiss in the m/vs, etc.) Meanwhile Gaycatcher and others put nothing like that in their videos but earn nicknames like Gaycatcher from their real selves. It's a huge difference.
“Who do I need to bully to get some more Red Velvet”
All reveluvs probably: SM ENTERTAINMENT!!
i love this rv era sm
I don't think red velvet makes music not to become famous but to produce quality music for their fans. With their concepts and production, they create quality music with meaningful messages and unique artistry. So if you know them you have found a precious GEM. Also SM need not to put so much effort on promoting them because even North Korea recognized them sooo.
The thing is. Twice are praised not for their music. Neither are blackpink. Only RV of the 3 are.
The other 2 may be more popular for numerous reasons. But talent-wise RV was never less than.
Also RV popularity in korea is as big as the other 2.
I mean twice is always praised for their music being catchy but yeah i think their are praised for their personality more.
IKRRRRR? im also CONFUSED why r they not no 1. even tho im a reveluv, i think SM is the blame to this. they literally has a diamond in their agency, but they chose to hide them in the basement.
They have a nickname, "Queens of the b-sides" just wait and see!!!
I love your reaction week for Red Velvet! I hope you'll react to songs like Psycho, Zimbarabim, Umpah Umpah, Automatic, and Milkshake next.
IM SO HAPPY YOU LOVED RBB !!!
Do you know guys that SM got a collaboration with Wendy and John Legend? . Yessss freaking John Legend. The song and video is AMAZING and it was never promoted. It’s in SM STATION “ Written In The Stars “.
SIS you're so right, i just tear up sometimes knwing that people are missing out on them. they need to be at the top.
Please react to b-sides of Red Velvet, that is also another reason you will fall in love with them
So Red Velvet and Twice are TECHNICALLY both 3rd generation. RV Dropped right at the beginning of 3rd gen (2014) whereas Twice dropped in towards the end (2016? I believe?) So there's definitely a younger crowd and generational difference. Twice has that more bubbly, upbeat vibe whereas Red Velvet is a little bit more R&B, experimental. RV Tho only girl group to perform in NORTH KOREA. That's why they're ranked as nations ambassador group (by netizens) whereas Twice is like "nations girl group" kind of like SNSD was, because they're fandom grew up with them. Or that's at least part of how I understand it. Comparatively if you check out MelOn, and other charts, Red Velvet charts consistently higher or on par with BP, Twice. Red Velvet is a touch less internationally known, Twice and Blackpink are definitely more international, but also check the amount of awards RV won for Psycho WHEN THEY NEVER PROMOTED IT due to Wendy's injuries (Good job SBS..), check out their Spotify streams they've ranked over Twice and Blackpink for Spotify streams pretty consistently especially with Psycho/Queendom/Feel My Rhythm.
Well said
@@rayanosama8406 Oh! Thank you! ^^;
When it comes to vocal groups it's always RED velvet and Mamamoo for me for girl groups.
Samee
Yeeees extend another week for b-sides !!! I'm egzoiiiiiiited (excited) ❤️💛💙💚💜😁
About why RV isn't well known globally, I think SM never thought of promoting RV to the Western market since they felt RV is enough to dominate the Asian market at that point. SM always focus on Asian market incl. Japan and China that they feel that they don't even need to have a representative business partner in the West. Since BTS and BP era that proved how big the Western market can be, then SM form a partnership with Warner Music for AESPA. Red Velvet already a senior for (even) most of the 3rd generation group (passing the 8th years and into the 9th years already) so I think SM would rather promote the 4th generation to the Western market now in 2022. If only at SM already promoted RV in a global scale in the Bad Boy era, I think history would be written differently. And yet here we are now, even me as a late 50 years old guy still loving RV song (especially their Velvet side) and their solo (especially Wendy) in 2022 more than other younger group. I don't care much about the dancing etc. (how old you can be to rely on dancing anyway), it's about the music and the vocals and the latest RV Feel My Rhythm made me loved them more. They are truly unique.
RED VELVET deserves to be 1# GG, it's the same thing with SHiNee, people are blind
And deaf
YEAH~ our b-side queen! i'm sooooo happy to know you're going to do their b-side! Can't wait!
(7 days AREN'T enough~~~~~~~~ 😭🥺)
around 16:25 regarding top girl groups- YES! the top three girl groups have been Blackpink, Twice, and Red Velvet for some time now. I would say if you would have to add competition (at least between 3rd generation girl groups) you would have to add in mamamoo to make the top four. Outside of them all being from the Big 3 Companies- Blackpink gained popularity straight from their debut. Twice from their first comeback. And red velvet was popular at debut but was still labeled as SMs 'failed group' (but that happens with every new group they put out so I don't think it meant much) And then red velvet really gained traction with Dumb Dumb!
I would say the only reason Red Velvet doesn't seem too popular to you is that reveluvs are a very vocal fanbase- its hard to find them on Twitter or other sites planning streaming songs, projects, comeback plans, etc like other fandoms. And along with their timidness there's less voting with them as well-meaning not a collection of awards like some other groups but they still win a lot. BUT regardless Red Velvet are extremely critically popular and had a collection of big awards.
A week for b-sides would be amazing. Yall will love it
red velvet is so popular yet also very underrated.