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You know at the end of the day, both these ps are going to try and sell you their point of view. Tbh one thinks he's telling you what's the right way to think. The other is trying to spam his doctrine. Lol in reality they are trying to sell you a burning man.(Someone to hate/ someone to look at). All while they keep feeding you the hate you like to see or hear.
At like 85 years old, Destiny will die, and people will still make these jokes, and I still won't be sick of hearing them. Some shit like:" Having a girl name granted him the lifespan of the average woman".
It's seems like they picked up these unintelligent slags off the street by random. HAHAHA. The atmosphere of this show is set up to make women look as stupid as possible otherwise they wouldn't of had those ladies there.
Because its hard to defend a modern woman’s position in a logical way. Destiny (the guy on white ts) is an intelligent feminist but even him had a hard time defending the female position 🤷🏾♂️
@@thenativeson5071 i dont think that 90% of the modern women in the world would agree or even be able to justify their statements these women are a tiny percentage of women in the world
So fresh and fit surround themselves with superficial attention seeking women and also have negative opinions towards women? Shocking. Who could have seen that coming?
Riight, the 1497 girls were all airheads. From all over the world, single married and everything in between. Who could of seen it coming that the 'defence' for women is putting other women down. Mad respect for the shortsighted-ness bro.
@@MrChriiz Women from all over the world who all decided to go to Miami, stay in Miami, and go on a podcast called "Fresh and Fit". Truly a perfect sample to represent all women.
As a relative elder here, at 50yrs old, who has done well with women in terms of dating and relationships Fresh, Fit, and Sneako have a very hollow view of relationships and are leading men and women to perpetual dissatisfaction and loneliness. Engage the world as it is while working to promote the world you want.
So true. These guys act like every woman is like this, but many of us don't like wearing revealing clothes, and we are turned off by guys with fancy cars who give off cheater vibes. We want masculine hard working men, who are kind and protective. Definitely not a guy who's going to scream at us to get back in the car so he can open the door for us! What Myron?! Who is this guy?!
These dudes know that they’re just grifters Whos entire careers intention is to agitate They know that if you lead with money then that’s your entire persona, which is why they’re so insecure because the moment the moneys gone they lost the entire attraction point on what got them that succubus of a partner
@@devonwilliams2423I mean okay I'm sure the ones smart enough to use them, sure are a succubus but the ones that might actually he interrested in them are just sad little ladies who need a dad and a larger wealth of knowledge.
After watching the full show: the thing that really impresses me is that Destiny manages to be well-spoken, respectful and funny without it being at the cost of anyone.
Yea I disagree with a lot of Destiny’s takes, which is completely fine, but I still enjoy watching him debate and interact with those with differing opinions
It's hilarious how visually obvious it is that Sneako is young just by his mannerisms. As soon as the women join, all the sudden he sits up cartoonishly with his head tilted up for 2 straight hours, puts on sunglasses to avoid eye contact, gets quiet and more "stern" in his tone trying to sound more "alpha" lmao. Way more performatively combative with Destiny disagreeing with him, and doing that thing where a guy tries to make himself look better by putting others down at every opportunity. Way less lighthearted. He's gotta look like a tough statue for the ladies haha. He's so controlled by the presence and attention of women it's hilarious. It's all such an obvious show he's putting on.
Was looking for a comment like this, the second the girls showed up he switched. Hell even fresh&fit didnt do this. Crazy how these redpill guys switch up trying to be hard and then claim girls have no control over them. Dawg ur whole stature changed the sec they came around, and 3/4 of these girls aren’t even attractive 💀💀💀
@@Nikifuj908 Well when only 1.5 of them are kind of attractive and the rest are all too stupid, it's not that hard haha. (but attractiveness is entirely subjective. They're certainly not my type. the onlyfans chick is a bit.) However you're basically making my point: He's got that young guy who's still too nervous around women to be himself vibe hard. Like he plays a "top g" who's got a ton of experience with women, but acts like a 16 year old who doesn't when they're around.
@@Nikifuj908 Having a convo about sex with a group of women is not fucking hard if you're not trying to sell a fake image. Just be yourself and don't be a creep.
Lol,the entire point of this portion of the show is to find the dumbest and most materialistic women possible to paint all women as dumb and materialistic. It's kind of hard to find women this dumb irl.
@@andrewcox5873 Yeah, but Florida weather is so guuud bro. I try to stay away from the shithole cities like Miami and Orlando, but if all these newyorkers and californians keep movin in then I might just need to move to the midwest.
@@nigelharden2777 I think he's smart, and I agree with some of his positions, but many of his views are flawed because they stem from his shallow underlying beliefs about how things should be.
The "would you date a bisexual guy" part was so hilarious. It's all good if that's their preference. But their takes were insane lol. Like then claiming they want a traditionally masculine man, when they themselves arent traditionally feminine women. Also, saying they can't trust them to not cheat was also hilarious.
Yeah this did not help their case at all. Disappointing to be honest, but also funny in how absurdly stupid it was. Wait I just realized, actual SquadW lmao. At least for these specific girls.
Women get super weird if they know the person they're dating is bi. For whatever reason, women think that straight men somehow won't cheat on them with another woman, but if they're with a bi guy, they'll be deep dicking some dude in a couple days. Straight women have shitloads of homophobia no one ever talks about. Both sexes are pretty bad at handling bi guys, but women will 100% hear a guy is bi and then write them off as another gay guy. Guys have issues to with bi men too, but they'll at least think about it a bit and come to the conclusion that bisexual and homosexual aren't the same thing. 90% of women won't ever have that thought.
Yeah but I mean, these women are just the kind to sit around and be pretty and get endless simpage from dudes. This podcast is pretty famous for just getting airhead hotties on to argue with and I think a lot of these people have done 0 introspection, ever so like, they will support traditionalism where it is beneficial but denounce it where it isn't. They'll basically just argue anything out of self interest.
His argument is that they can't change the world, but they can realize how the world functions and act accordingly (use that information to their benefit).
@@rootpill But that worldview only makes sense if no man has ever changed the world. Which they have, obviously. So pathetic for someone, especially someone with influence and an audience, to entirely give up on making any kind of a difference to the culture they inhabit.
Exactly, he doesn't realize how much he contradicts himself. You are by definition a sheep if you operate in the lie and continue to thrive in it rather than change it
@@rootpill But that is literally sheep talk. If you actually are a wolf you have the power to change he world. But he is actually not going what he says at all.
You can tell the last girl sneako was with destroyed him, man is beyond bitter when it comes to certain topics. Hopefully he finds the peace he needs lmao
Sneako use to be in a open relationship going both ways but felt insecure about it after watching his girl get fucked by another dude while laying in the same bed right next to them.
@@EsotericOccultist Thanks for your observation. I dont think that it was needed tho, I wasn't trying to be genuine. Idk that man 😂 This is nothing but entertainment.
The guy was fuming at some points during the discussion. His unnecessarily aggressive behavior towards some of the women was really disturbing to see. Definitely someone to keep a close eye on…
The problem with sneako is that he's so wrapped up in projecting this image of bravado, that he's really just being rude and uncompassionate to people. Dude lacks so much compassion when he speaks and if he just relaxed a little he might actually be able to have some good convos with these women
Dude someone hurt Sneako BAAAAD. He just comes off so fucking salty this entire stream. The tension in the air makes it seems like he’s about to fucking slap someone at any second. Jesus.
Wait so they're openly claiming that men only want sex from women, but then they also shame the very sex workers that offer sex to this demographic of men who *ONLY* want sex? How tf does that work? Also, how can they argue that men only want sex from women in the end, but have also claimed on many occasions that men in this day and age are lonelier due to having a harder time finding a woman who will date them if they're the "average looking man"? So in other words, these men that they're talking about only view women as human sex toys, but also complain about being lonely...even though these same men don't want to put in the work and effort that it takes to build a healthy relationship (because again, they only want women for sex). Did I misinterpret anything? Someone please let me know, because there is no way in hell that F&F and Sneako lack this much self-awareness in how much their statements contradict each other...
@@Thatbadasstoner214 Both men and women can lack self awareness and contradict themselves. It's not mutually exclusive. The reason why I'm focusing on F&F and Sneako specifically is because they portray themselves as if they have women and the world figured out and that they're somehow smarter than the average individual, despite operating exactly like the women they claim are irrational, shallow, etc.
@@Thatbadasstoner214 and what type of women do they attract? The very woman that they complain about on their podcast. No woman with self respect and independence is gonna date them.
@@Thatbadasstoner214 Because if they dated decent women, they wouldn't have said views about women. If they dated decent women, they wouldn't view all women as gold diggers. If they dated decent women, they wouldn't view all women as "Onlyfans thots". If they dated decent women, they wouldn't claim that all women are known for weaponizing a man's vulnerability when he feels comfortable opening up. The type of women that they describe on their show are a cherrypicked selection of toxic women, but since they apply these toxic traits to *ALL* women, it would be illogical to them come to the conclusion that they've dated decent women. Because if they have dated decent women, they would know that not all or even most women are like this.
@@Thatbadasstoner214 I wouldn't take advice from fnf. They don't practice what they preach. They were caught on sugar baby site, while going on about women's "burning desire". Plus they contradicted themselves on multiple occasions.
Are you talking about the "skip the dates and flights" part cause if so then they aren't saying guys only want sex but just that those are actions to get sex.
Sneako and the fresh and fit guys are genuinely morons who are slaves to their own insecurities and emotional baggage. Honestly, Destiny tried and I respect him for that.
@@soccerplayer922 Destiny is a reasonably smart guy but he's not like a 'thought leader' or someone who's always right about everything lol. Do u think if I watch someone on RUclips I have to think that everything they say is correct? I'm glad you've learnt a cool phrase like 'cognitive dissonance' though!
@@jsarphie1847 your comment suggested you considered him some thought leader. Lul. And your response suggests you do. Otherwise you'd ignore the comment I left, or have responded with out spite.
@@soccerplayer922 which part of my comment? Nah the reason I replied isn't cos I think Destiny's a genius or anything, it's because the redpill ideology is moronic and your comment was coming out in defense of one of its most visible spokesmen. Its my moral duty to shit on that ideology wherever I see it.
PSA: do not take anything said about relationships from people like this seriously. They do not live the same lives we do. I just can't believe the wild disconnected shit I am hearing. Destiny included. Social media influencers and content creators do not treat people or look at people the same way most of us do. I stress out thinking about the young people watching this and taking it seriously. Please don't.
That's just nonsense. There are a lot of real, meaningful insights on human nature and why the dating dynamic is the way it is in the west. By the end of the video a lot of the women understood a different perspective and there was some growth. Yes, these women came to Miami to chase clout and probably do feed into the fresh and fit bias, but the hosts have stated repeatedly a lot are flown in and have higher forms of education, and while they may not reflect all of women in the west, there are certain aspects addressed here that certainly do apply to everyone. People offended by something tend to throw the baby out with the bath water. Yes, there was a lot of misogyny here, but when you cut through the bullshit it's all incredibly relevant.
@@ludwigaccursed Ok so if I had bad experiences with men then basically it's ok for me to say all men are rapist monsters? And it would be ok for me to be a misandrist
Watching Destiny in their environment is wild. Its like he's the guru but they know/don't know it. The difference in maturity and wisdom is wild. Yet, I know from other Political points, he has room for improvement. Loved this content for you Destiny. Its like bridging different worlds
Same thing as when Aba came over. The drama that unfold after was fun to watch 🍿 Might happen this time too with destiny. But he won’t accept anyone’s invite to a boxing match probably lmao
I am bisexual and I do not like to be accused of being a cheater or that I am incapable of being masculine. They don't have to date bi men but why are they so disrespectful about it?
Here’s a perspective from a woman and why I don’t date bisexual men when I know. The culture surrounding sex is very different from men and women. There’s a reason why we meme lesbians ready to take out a mortgage together by the 3rd date. Men have sex when they can while women have sex when they want. By me knowing that my boyfriend or husband is bisexual I know they can cheat on me whenever they can (ie boys trips, clubbing, hell even in the back of the mall parking lot) because I know other men think of sex very casually. Not only does this mean heartbreak but the potential for disease that I would’ve never encountered should I have been with a 100% straight man or even another woman.
@@imjustsayin34 the idea that bi men (and women) are natural cheaters is inherently biphobic. it's fine if you'd rather not date them (i won't ever tell someone who to date or who to be interested in) but everything you just listed applies to heteronormative relationships as well. If a man or woman is going to cheat, there is nothing you can do about it. Sure, their potential dating market is increased but if they're dating you and you still think this way it's a reflection of your own insecurity and feelings of inadequacy.
@@borutosdad7685 😑 You know that homosexuality and bisexuality is natural(a.k.a normal...). You can see it in the animal kingdom If you're religious you're criticizing God's work😅🤦🏾
I've listened to the whole episode. Fresh, Fit, and Sneako really aren't ready for relationships. Destiny who is Married seems to understand what is realistic about a relationship.
He said it right before going on the show he had been married once, lived his the wild life when he was considered "lame". He understands because he lived it and had it.
@@akindantagonist8708 it was an attempt to set her apart from the other girls at the table. She knew they would be getting their asses handed to them about their womanhood and she thought putting some space between them and her would grant her some charity. Turns out redpillers just hate women. Lol
These guys do come off as legitimately hating women in a lot of ways. They see them as opponents or targets rather than partners or people. It does explain a lot of where their mindset comes from but it's still pretty terrifying.
Tbh, i was also disappointed in these women as well. I already knew that the Fresh and Fit crew would act the way you describe, you were spot on. But these women either communicated poorly during the "debt" part of the convo, or i dont know. Most of them had huge debt, and they were still being judgemental about getting in a marriage with someone in debt as well? Like, it is okay for the guy to have to deal with their debt, but not the other way around? Women should also be seeing their man as their partner, not their sugar daddy, imo. Im just glad every girl i know isnt like these women
these women dont make their case any better. and i think we all know that the dudes are just grifting off the womens lack of knowledge and self awareness. these women arent scholars or educated people who work a salary.
as a woman, I will have to say, im more traditonal when it comes to my views on dating, sex, ect... Its kinda disappointing to see these guys bring out one type of girl and then paint every woman like this. I barely identify at all with any of these women, I probaby have more in common with Destiny than I do with any of these women. I will agree with destiny here, there are some good advice from the red pill community but they do take it too far and often miss the mark explaining how every girl is or I guess its more that they are so sure that this is how every woman acts. I donno maybe its because I'm a little older and married now. But hell, the dating scene couldnt have changed this much in 5 years.
That's the issue I find with FnF, they claim to be open minded but you already know the only girls willing to go onto these shows are the ones looking for clout
@@Redxminder agreed. Which sucks because I actually agree with some things that the red pill community says, but i feel like they are just as wrong as much as the left is on this issue. I would probably say, the truth is somewhere in the middle of these two.
@@Therhyrhy123 the part about only one type of girl. They might be the majority but there has been a consistent level of the other types. Why do you think they now ask about education level? Because people keep complaining that they kept brining on dumb bimbos
The word you're looking for is "intelligent". Intelligent describes a thing with an abundance of intelligence. Intellectual refers to a thing/concept that is of or related to intelligence. Just ironic you're judging people for their intelligence and yet...
These 9 girls have a combined IQ of room temperature water. Sneako is either a genius and is grifting super hard or is right there with the women. F&F are for sure grifting or have spent so much time in this delusional world they built that they actually believe it. This redpill shit is so painful to listen to. Destiny (male) was the only thing that makes this bearable. Listening to the insane answers and opinions from his questions was wild.
instead of talking shit, why dont you educate us about what they say is wrong? And im sure you also interviewed 1000 of females with all kinds of degrees that your opinnion matters.. always gotta love this keyboard warriors and their comments
@@IIVenom fresh and fits brand is bringing on women that's not traditional and in my opinion only follow the convo without adding nothing but circles to run. Yes majority of women are city girls depending where you at. Vice versa with men cause of the red pill they wanna be pimps and players. Real shit bro both men and women with the feminist and red pill communities are denying their nature. Men with providing and protecting the family, women creating life and catering. Yes marriages are ass. That's on the people both man and woman who decide to make those decisions that could lead to a divorce. This world is in a huge divide America being the first. If we all stop denying our nature and take accountability it'll be one giant step of harmony though realistically people dont want the best for themselves and in my opinion that's part of not denying your role If you were to date, get in a relationship, or married.
You add nothing new to the discourse but labeling and name calling. It sounds like you are just parroting woke talking points. Ironically, you did exactly the opposite of what Destiny did; he offered counter arguments.
Destiny said it best last debate (tho he didn't rlly hammer it in): if you screw around in these types of circles where those are the standards, you're going to self perpetuate those standards for yourself in your life all the damn time. But a lot of those things are way more restrained to those circles than these types want to think. Remember there are lots of "markets" open. Also, ironic that the guys who say they're about men improving themselves for themselves (and not so they can get women) center so much about themselves on women. Even if they don't openly acknowledge it, they're UNDENIABLY promoting that type of attitude in their audience, even though they say they aren't.
Some good life advice is that anyone who talks in absolutes, take them with a big grain of salt. “All women are this” “all men are that”. The universe rarely works that way
@@andrewcox5873 it's weird. surely they meet women in real life who break their mold all the time. what does the existance of these women tell them? does it not sink in?
@@katyfive1 When people believe overarching things like this, they tend not to allow the exceptions to break their perceptions of the rule. It's not really "cognitive dissonance", but close enough.
I don't know where in the blackpill/incel spectrum I belong, but man is it really fucking hard to find people who aren't these superficial clout/money hungry types... like forget women, I'm speaking about people in general. The type of women they had on this particular show are extremely similar to women I'm around with in college and work, I'm trying super hard to find a tight knit group of people who can break the mold. For men they're obsessed with women, investing, and clout for the sake of attracting the most women, while for women it's horoscopes, clout, and lavish lifestyles to show off in their social media accounts, I'm in a desperate NEED for normal people with some type below the surface passion for something personal fulfilling for them that's beyond status and wealth. Maybe I'm just screwed because I live in NYC lmaoo
Maybe I'm biased having graduated uni and working a corporate job, but fk me some (not all) the girls on this panel could barely dribble a sentence together. I almost can't blame F&F, Sneako, Tate, etc for having the opinions on women they do if the type of girls on this panel are an accurate representation of those they spend 99% of their time around. How could you ever hope to get engaging conversation, meaningful connection, shared experiences in art, culture, etc. TL;DR: I'm never going to miami lmao
They have many different women from around the world with multiple different backgrounds from only fans girls to one with PHDs. They all pretty say the same thing. If you watch the show, even the older college educated single women act the same way
Never thought fresh and fit would be so progressive. The fact that they would bring a womans perspective on their podcast shows how much they must respect their opinions
Same. The braindead gorillas in the comment section are like "uh I go to clubs and women like this are everywhere!" and they seriously don't get the flaw in their logic.
"Women shut the fuck up when they're around a man of value" I guess that's pretty telling on why F&F usually kick off any woman that speaks their mind and checks them
that was hilarious. destiny gave them a chance to see another way. but at least they were honest, "world is what it is and we are not interested in change".
That is not at all ehat happened. They completely understand what destiny said but destiny's premise is inherently setting men up for disaster. He is saying operate as yoy want the world to be but that doesn't work. Telling fnf to tell their audience to not obsess over 😼 so that girls lose their ego won't work because there will ALWAYS be imps blowing their head up. The audience will think they are changing the world when they are doing nothing and they are int he dame predicament of not being able to operate in the world as it is.
You cant change it if women dont want to take the neccesary sacrifie and men dont want to sacrfice. You cant force people to settle and most people wont.
It's not just loud rude women that are unattractive it's loud obnoxious people in general. Singling out women for that is that part that makes it sexist.
@@T2G-DJT It didn't sound to me like fresh and fit were calling out specifically these women. They were saying all women should be quiet, leaning into some anti PC hyperbole. The real stance they took with the following example of not being obnoxious at a business social applies to all people not just women.
@@ErathornIx They aren't asking women to be all meek can shit. Yet you cannot disagree women that make it an effort to be the loud one when everybody's chilling trying to vibe isn't attractive at all. SInce it's comment in the mainstream media to dog men, hell a lot of the loud one are normally italians stereotypes especially post Jersey Shore.
Keep in mind that these aren't just Miami women- they're women who were hand picked from a group of women who are willing to go on a red pill podcast where they know they're going to get roasted regardless of what they say. #RespectWomen
"I'm a firm believer that women are to be seen and not heard unless they're spoken to" Do these guys want to date a fucking child? If this situation was flipped and their partner had the same attitude they would be out of that relationship so fast.
One of them women said they needed to see daddy energy 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️. I worked with many people from India and I would often have conversations with them about life (it was a Lutheran school). I remember being told that for the most part where they're from women are expected to keep quiet and stay away when there's more than one man together. Also they said the women were being given too many rights. And this comes from average to below average men from across the globe.
Destiny humbly smiling while the other dudes explain to the women that they know them better than they do and then getting proven terribly wrong Is so entertaining
These debates are so divorced from reality. They all talk from such rich, materialistic backgrounds. Although some fundamental things are true, most people don’t ever think like this.
Ye I was thinking this. Growing up in a small town in England I can't help but feel like these big city Americans are living in a different reality. One that runs off money, plastic and fake smiles
Destiny is probably the only man with enough class, personality, and intellect/common sense on this episode to find a decent woman, which is reflected in his own healthy marriage. These men attract the exact kind of women they dislike because they lack any of the previously mentioned qualities. If they want a traditional woman, then they have to act like the type of man who would attract that kind of woman. They are not traditional men. My grandfather, to get my beautiful, modest, and well-behaved grandmother, didn’t approach the situation simply looking for a transaction or sex. He had to get a laborious job to provide, ascribe to mutually held beliefs, and help her through the trials and tribulations of life, even to his own detriment at times. He even helped her to get a bachelors degree so she could be a teacher, he has no secondary education.. They celebrated their 70th wedding anniversary not too long ago and have 3 grandchildren. It’s sad to think that none of the men (and women probably) in this podcast, except maybe destiny, will get to experience the happiness a life like that brings. If you have to teach a girl to love you, cook, and clean to give you both a nice home to live in together, then it’s probably your fault for going for that girl to begin with. You can point out her flaws all day long if you want, but that doesn’t make a man anything more than what he is, a boy who is incapable of getting the kind of woman he wants because of his own fundamental obsession with vanity.
1:07:00 Destiny goes in hard and presents an idealistic perspective in an attempt to convince the boys to really step up and create positive change with their platform. It was like an inspirational half time speech in a movie. Damn impressive. He sculpted an entire show of positive engagement with just enough push back for this moment. I doubt most people can see the 4D chess he's playing here but he's really giving it his all.
I think this is one of the best debate out there, because there are two paths given that are opposite but reasonable for people to decide which one they want to take. One is of destiny where he says bring the change which alters the way men and women operate in terms of chasing and being chased vs fresh N fit/Sneakos way in which they see the world as is right now and want to operate in realms of that having nothing to do with what could be a possible maybe future outcome. And i think it gives ppl opportunity to choose which path they will walk on based on their values and since both are a reasonable choice.
I hope it doesn’t go the same way it did with Aba when he went on their platform (well I partially do lol since it’ll be fun to watch fat and fake get mentally and intellectually rolled by a 4D chess player on meth lmoa)
@@JustGotALife I loved this part, bc one way is to accept the rules of the game as it is, even if they are unfair, and abuse them to your strength, the other way is, trying to reevaluate the rules of the game and change it to be more fair.
He's full of shit. Idk if its his electoralism or something else that makes him obsessed with "participating" and "effecting" society. Social media has no real life effect on it's own, unless you are forming an organized political movement. There is no "discourse" that permeates through society that you are effecting by giving your opinion. The best you can hope for is an unremarkable drop in the ocean, like the emails Destiny gets where people say "wow, you changed my mind on this and that!".
3:25 "Hey guys I'm Destiny." It finally happened thank GOD! These are truly the moments of the greatest content the human race has EVER BEEN EXPOSED TO!
The reaction to “you should be able to wait a few weeks to fuck somebody.” Jesus Christ it makes me sick to my stomach that anybody would see that as shocking
I love what destiny did here. The basic narrative of these people is "girls are such assholes, they all aim for the top 20 percent men" bjt destiny turned it around by saying "well, yes, girls are gonna go for the best they can get, if guys would just stop fucking below standard, suddenly, a lot of women would have to start bringing value" and these guys will unironically respond with "well, guys just wanna fck, that's just how it is, it's their nature" and YES, thats the problem. guys nature is just as broken as girls nature. not generally a destiny fan, but he was an insanely positive influence on this table
The narrative isn’t girls are assholes for following their nature, they’re just women. The narrative is this is the truth of how they act so men should act accordingly and focus on building themselves up so they can decide which of these women they want to include in their lives
Guys wanting to fk everything has always been the case. Promiscuous women is what's broken if we are talking from a biological and historical perspective
Yes because that’s the truth lmao. You think guys are gonna stop wanting to have sex? They literally agree with that sentiment that if guys stop simping things would change. But a lot of guys do just want to have sex so speaking about some imaginary society where every guy is this stoic man that can control his needs is illogical but cope harder I guess lmao
Women control sex, they have the power of choice whether a man gets laid or not. With that being said, can you be surprised that men have such low standards when it comes to sex? Even the "hot" guys will bust the cheeks of very average women because it's "easier" and they don't have to compete with other "hot" guys to vie for "hot" girls attention. The problem is, those average women think just because a hot guy messes with them their SMV(sexual market value) raises. The problem is women conflate sexual intentions with intentions which they are not mutually exclusive.
This is actually the most braindead debate I've seen destiny entertain and I've be following for years. Of course this only fits into the Redpill communities narrative more because they only bring on women that are like this. I think only one of the girls was actually making sense and making points on the topics while the others sat there slackjawed. Destiny also brought up good points to combat the Fresh and Fit narrative which was good but in the end I think it still fell flat.
@@fifiadan Do you really think most women go clubbing? You're delusional, dude. When you go clubbing, you find a VERY specific NICHE kind of woman. Most women don't go clubbing. This is like saying "why are women so obsessed with religion" and then saying "by the way I only meet women at church." Yeah, you find shallow people at the club. No shit, Sherlock.
@@SkeleTonHammer You find shallow people everywhere church people are normally those clubbers just on a Sunday...Because they went to the spot on a Friday. A lot of women simply think alike here an example women copy each other when it comes to trends. Like you think women got those ugly ass septum rings because it was cute?
@@fifiadan No one thinks these women don’t exist? The problem with these red pill men is they inflate the problem and then tell men they should be acting in an immoral and disrespectful way because they will never escape the problem. “All women are inherently bad here’s proof. *selectively chooses immoral unintelligent women and destroys their arguments on a podcast*. Now men listen this is why you should give up on good women. Instead cheat on them and chase after money cars and hoes”. What they’re doing is dishonest and pathetic. It’s also no wonder good women want nothing to do with them and why their perspectives become more and more extreme overtime.
@@fifiadan Now, it is the case that modern society is corrupting women, but you can acknowledge and bring awareness to that fact without dishonesty. You can point to good women (FEATURE THEM) and explain why they are valuable and encourage that behavior. Encourage men to seek those women and improve themselves so that they will become attractive to those women (spoiler it requires more than chasing money h(o)s and cars and cheating on your girlfriends). You can explain to men and women the specific ways that society is benefitting from the agendas they’re pushing on them and how it is harming them etc. A good example of someone like this is Jordan Peterson or just any moderate conservative
if you think of relationships as transactional, you will never have anything but transactional relationships. These shallow, weak, surface level relationships, may give you instant gratification but long term, unconditional relationships will give you feelings, you didn't even know you had, or can even explain.
Seriously. It’s so strange how they all seem to leave love out of the entire discussion. Most people just want to have a loving partner who respects them and supports them emotionally through hard times and all of these dudes and women seem to just completely ignore that.
@@alexd4566 Yeah, but the transaction that he talks about is more like feelings, experiences, memories etc. Not like "I'll buy you a dinner so you owe me a BJ" In video called "Podcast Turns Into Planned Ambush - I, Hypocrite Debate" he talks about it (around 22 minute mark).
@@alexd4566 He talks about it being transactional in a sense at the very base level, since you're both making each other happy. However, that's nowhere near the same as the examples they keep using here. They're arguing that it's fundamentally and inherently nothing but a trade that you're bartering like a sales pitch that never has any deeper meaningful connection to another human being. It's two very different descriptions.
"They're a ten but their functional IQ range doesn't exceed ten points most of the day." God, Miami is a dystopian hell-hole, and it's rotting Destiny's soul from the inside.
I don't remember exactly when in the conversation, but at some point one of the girls bragged about getting up at 8:00 every morning with her kid and I just laughed my ass off. I don't know why but someone bragging about getting up at 8 in the morning when I and many other people I know have had to get up at 5:00 or earlier for work or school was just absolutely hilarious to me.
All these chick's remind me of the most ratchet "popular" girls in high-school. Is that the only type of girl you're been attracted too all your life? Do you not recall an normal women you've met? Girls in sports, church, or who are super religious? It's like they are so used to ignoring other women & are used to only chasing LA & Miami chick all their lives.
This. Destiny tries to explain this but they just don't understand. They complain that "every woman is X", but they only participate in -- and perpetuate -- the market for "X women". All they see is X, because all they look for is X, all they go after is X, and they never look anywhere other than the breeding grounds of X. On top of that, their whole lifestyle and prescription revolves around getting X and being what X wants. They're not only actively arguing against Destiny on the idea of trying to fix the problem, they're aggressively participating in continuing and worsening the problem to boot. I can't tell if they're unmotivated and complacent, shortsighted, or legitimately don't want to change things now that they're "winning" at the game they think is bad. Everything they build their life around would be kind of wasted if things changed now, so they benefit from its continuation.
Sneako/them- we are trying to get guys to stop buying only fans Also sneako/them - we can't try to change people, so let's not try to stop over valuing women.
Sneako's brain just explodes when it comes to hypotheticals, I was cracking up when Mr.Girl was trying to use one to explain to Sneako why Cuties was unethical, and he just couldn't wrap his head around it ha.
I find this so funny, I started listening to this after waking up hung over from alcohol and shrooms. I was groggy and getting red pulled and loving the drama. I went and worked out for an hour and a half, now listening and just cannot with this energy. It’s hilarious. It’s putting into perpsective how whacked out people in this sphere are. All of them. Blue red women men, everybody. Everyone needs to get off the internet and finding healthy connections to invest in and a passion to get lost in. Jesus we have such an unhealthy society. Also, this sphere is like Twitter. Miami and the people poisoned by it are the extreme minority. It’s pretty funny when you think about it all in context
Funny part is I don’t think this is a Miami bubble but more so an issue of class. I think low to middle class people see relationships as purely transactional while rich people (at least 15k+/month) see more nuances
@@imjustsayin34 bro go to Miami and tell me their normal 💀 that’s a young city and it entertains itself with it’s crazy ideas. Miami is it’s own sub culture.
Interesting point, i definitely believe people in a fuzzy, negative, or stressed out headspace are more susceptible to this stuff. Healthy, clearheaded people can see past the bullshit.
Myron explains to his audience that he understand women better than women understand themselves. So if a woman comes on agrees with him? Perfect, that proves his point! If a woman comes on and disagrees with him? Well she’s just not in touch with how she really feels. Also proves his point!
You wouldn’t be able to make this type of content without generalizing all men and women. If he gave nuanced takes on how there are many different types of women and men in this world and we can’t just type cast entire genders, he would lose like 90% of his audience.
@@Thatbadasstoner214 I watched this show not as a fan and found Myron’s questions to be dumb. He asked the girls if they would date a guy with debt, half of them said yeah they would depending on the debt, but that answer didn’t fit the red pill narrative so they badgered them and dismissed the answer
Be a bi man is so hard.. they’ll date a murder or drug dealer.. be literal porn stars.. expect men not to judge them meanwhile being the most judgmental ppl in the world
OK are you a bi man? Could you help me understand what is considered biphobic? I personally don't want to date bi men because there is a side to their sexuality that is so different from me and I will never be able to fulfill, is this biphobic? I don't judge them or lose attraction towards them, if anything it is more of an insecurity of mine
@@myotakuacountyo1216 I’m a bi woman, I’ll try to answer. I think everyone is allowed to have their preference. What you’re saying doesn’t sound biphobic (in my opinion) because you’re not disparaging bi men. Notice the women in the vid are immediately disgusted by the idea of dating a bi man because they perceive them as lesser. In your case, based on what you’ve said, you aren’t judging them as less masculine or deviant. You are just personally uncomfortable dating someone who has a broader preference due to insecurity that you may not be able to fulfill all of their physical needs.
@@myotakuacountyo1216 I think you're assuming a bi person needs to have pussy and dick in their life to be fulfilled Straight guys can be fulfilled by one girl, but theres so many different types of women they are attracted to that they don't currently have, but you aren't worried about not fulfilling every fantasy a straight guy has
Bi person here too! The mentality of those girls is a shared “preference” amongst gay and lesbian people too. It’s so fucking hard to imagine being able to find love when you’re excluded from not only straight people but most disappointedly and shockingly, queer spaces as well. Most of these perceptions of bisexual people (especially men) is based on experiences they’ve never had with them, or negative generalizations. It took me so long to accept I was bi and I dealt w/ a lot of internalized biphobia bc of shit like this. Here for you, man! Keep your head up. :)
Destiny literally walking circles around these guys by just having a sensible view on the world and understanding that things are more nuanced then how these guys put it.
i'm glad destiny popped the question to the guys. F&F and sneako talking a big game about how all women are for sale at the end of the day, then suddenly men are immune to such things.
@@acenine8149 lol very poor choice of words, but i hear you. but there are plenty of people, even on that podcast who wouldn't do it. or if they did would be pretty fucked up afterwards. the emotional attachment you get from being with someone might be transactional in the most pedantic sense, but it isn't really something you can compare to money. these guys, especially sneako, aren't viewing women as intellectual equals anyway, so they can't even conceive of sexual relationships in that fashion
I love it. It's insane how he's one of the few people on the online left that is ACTUALLY reaching across the aisle, especially in (what seems to be) the redpill comeback era like this. I used to have good faith in breadtube to be able to do this but they've slowly closed themselves off in their own circlejerking bubbles now. Like, is Vaush is going to ever debate Nick Fuentes or Lauren Southern anytime soon? Heck, Hasan & Vaush won't even talk with Destiny and they're both on the left lmao
I pray for sneako, dude is so lost in the sauce and never formed his own opinion even if formulating those opinions with a belief system like the red pill. Added nothing of value to the conversation.
Destiny just gained a fan🤭 I’m glad he was able to point out their is two sides to every situation and all of it is not only on the women. Both sexes need to be able to take accountability for what they put out in society. Also I feel like something that’s not being heavily emphasized is that a lot of Myron, sneako and the other guy ideology is heavily based on sex/sexuality, and anything started on the foundation of sexuality is doomed to fail. When you keep somebody’s value only physical you are eventually creating a thinking that makes it hard to see pass the physical layer. But tbh none of this would be a thing if we as a population kept God above ourselves. When you get to know God and His commandments and laws you will learn how to play your traditional role in society and in a relationship, which can add to what you bring to the table in a relationship.
i honestly hate the kind of douches who have a massive platform like sneako and F&F, pretending like they have no influence whatsoever and are just 'describing the world as it is', or 'just laughing at the absurdity of reality'. these people are selling their lifestyle, they're encouraging people to go in a particular direction, to think a particular way, but they act like they have no influence whatsoever. and maybe these 3 on their own don't have 'that' much influence, but there are THOUSANDS of other channels like theirs that do the same thing, and COLLECTIVELY, they definitely have the power to change society (at least somewhat). anecdotal evidence, but if look at Gamergate. it gave rise to thousands and THOUSANDS of anti-sjw/femiinst/woke/etc. channels, which had definitely had a MASSIVE effect in gaming culture and the community. i met several people in real life at geek/nerd gatherings that were gamergaters. these people ABSOLUTELY have an effect
Yea when sneako said he had "no influence" on people I just checked out, I can't believe someone who's been doing RUclips for as long as he has doesn't think that content creators influence people at all, I've literally heard him refer to himself as an influencer. He got his medication mixed up and accidentally took the black/doomer pill instead of the red
I think my biggest issue with these red-pill guys is that, (outside of the wildly trash takes they have from time to time), is that talking to them is like trying to nail jello to a wall. They can never seem to define their own terms. For instance, when they define the difference between women they'll sleep with and women they'll date, they say that women that they date have to "add value to their lives," or "bring something to the table." but they won't define what that means. They dismiss the financial value a woman can add to a household because they conflate being in control of finances with being a provider. They try to dismiss the emotional side of relationships, which literally any psychologist or any other person with any understanding of neurochemistry knows you can't do. And they certainly don't value the intellectual value a partner can provide. You can tell by the way the way they respond when challenged, and if your partner doesn't challenge your ideas, they don't contribute intellectually. But, if you press them on it, they go down these anecdotal rabbit holes and make circular arguments until either you just give up and stop pressing, or they threaten to cut off your mic. It's like playing " Pin The Tail On The Donkey," but the donkey is real... And you're a paraplegic. I think the biggest issue I have with the voices of the red-pill movement is that they're trying to sell pleasure to young, impressionable men who are looking for happiness. And those two things are nowhere near the same.
I swear destiny sits there doing high end mathematical calculations in his head to decide when to give his opinion and when to keep it to himself so he’ll be invited next time to circles like that. My man is working so hard not to hurt the redpills feelings 😭😭
Its not that he's hurting anyone's feelings, its that his blue pill input is off putting in a room full of testosterone. And deep down he knows that every time he opens his mouth, the females in that rooms pussys are getting dryer and dryer
Myron like I bring women on here every night with PHDs. Not a single one with a phd only two with degrees and most “the question was too wordy” cmon Breh
It's unfortunate the woman in red didn't speak up at all the whole podcast. She was easily the most accomplished woman on the entire panel but only ever heard her when she was directly asked a question. Would have liked to of heard from an actual 'high value woman' on this trash podcast.
hang out with people with degrees long enough you'll realize it doesn't necessitate being intelligent, or educated or "accomplished"... plus if shes doing onlyfans now it probably means she did not want to go into the field she got an education in and is not interested in that subject/ that kind of life.
@@leftcritical7352 yeah I have to agree. Having a BA is pretty standard nowadays. I barely managed to get my degree so I’m not trying to diminish the accomplishment but it’s not…that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things
Destiny talking about his workaholicism reminds me of someone I know. Since he was in his teens he worked 24/7. It would get to a point where he'd have the whole "successful business man life-style" with overseas travel & tons pussy, but he wouldn't even have time for that. Only work. And he made one mistake a few years ago & now he's poor, in his late 70s, and everytime he talks about his life it'd usually revolve around work experiences, and never about his friends or family. What I'm trying to say is the making a name for yourself is good. Hard work is good, but don't make that thr reason you lose sight of your relationships.
Me too. Sometimes that unconditional love oozes into their mouths. Some girls like unconditional love on their face, some just spit out because the unconditional love tastes weird.
Yeah these are all a specific type of women. Not the type I speak too myself personally. It leaves me to wonder how fresh & fit along with sneako can generalize all women like this. Have they really only interacted with these type of women their whole lives? I hope not, that would be sad.
birds of a feather flock together. Women who are not like run the opposite direction of these people, so the only ones who stay are the ones who fit their vision. It's like being an outward sociopath and thinking most people are immoral, well of course because you are gonna repel them and only keep the equally sociopathic people.
This is so cringe. Opening the show by putting a spotlight on each woman and asking what the bare minimum would be to prostitute themselves. Gross As a dad raising a three year old, I'm terrified of the world he has to grow up in when these are the conversations people are having. No self respect.
I can imagine destiny holding his tongue for 99% of this. He played it well! If he wans’t there in person I wonder if he’d push back on the ‘trap’ questions, or when the guys say answer 1 def automatically means answer 6. They don’t seem to believe 2 things can be true at once - at all
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These Timestamps were Destiny!
(A girls name)
Cya
You know at the end of the day, both these ps are going to try and sell you their point of view. Tbh one thinks he's telling you what's the right way to think. The other is trying to spam his doctrine. Lol in reality they are trying to sell you a burning man.(Someone to hate/ someone to look at). All while they keep feeding you the hate you like to see or hear.
27:22 Destiny questioning life decisions
@@Sigmaasphere whats there to fight ? Destiny already believed things that myron believed. But destiny is a BISEXUAL, cant put him with regular guys
these women are homophobic as fuck lol
I think Steven's ability to think about things from a woman's perspective is because Destiny is a girl's name.
At like 85 years old, Destiny will die, and people will still make these jokes, and I still won't be sick of hearing them. Some shit like:" Having a girl name granted him the lifespan of the average woman".
Amazin
Amazin'
dont be mean
@@Arbitrary_Moniker " I love black people" is gonna be engraved on to his tombstone :)
As a girl its hard to watch this i feel so embarrassed about the representation we get on this show its honestly concerning
I couldn’t agree more, they always choose women with low IQ but are attractive only. F&F is trying so hard to sell a narrative here.
It's seems like they picked up these unintelligent slags off the street by random. HAHAHA. The atmosphere of this show is set up to make women look as stupid as possible otherwise they wouldn't of had those ladies there.
its definitely intentional…
Because its hard to defend a modern woman’s position in a logical way.
Destiny (the guy on white ts) is an intelligent feminist but even him had a hard time defending the female position 🤷🏾♂️
@@thenativeson5071 i dont think that 90% of the modern women in the world would agree or even be able to justify their statements these women are a tiny percentage of women in the world
So fresh and fit surround themselves with superficial attention seeking women and also have negative opinions towards women? Shocking. Who could have seen that coming?
What you mean by negative opinions?
Riight, the 1497 girls were all airheads. From all over the world, single married and everything in between. Who could of seen it coming that the 'defence' for women is putting other women down. Mad respect for the shortsighted-ness bro.
Tell me you aren't smart without directly telling me.
watch when they have a respectable girls on the pod
@@MrChriiz Women from all over the world who all decided to go to Miami, stay in Miami, and go on a podcast called "Fresh and Fit". Truly a perfect sample to represent all women.
As a relative elder here, at 50yrs old, who has done well with women in terms of dating and relationships Fresh, Fit, and Sneako have a very hollow view of relationships and are leading men and women to perpetual dissatisfaction and loneliness.
Engage the world as it is while working to promote the world you want.
Facts
So true. These guys act like every woman is like this, but many of us don't like wearing revealing clothes, and we are turned off by guys with fancy cars who give off cheater vibes. We want masculine hard working men, who are kind and protective. Definitely not a guy who's going to scream at us to get back in the car so he can open the door for us! What Myron?! Who is this guy?!
These dudes know that they’re just grifters Whos entire careers intention is to agitate
They know that if you lead with money then that’s your entire persona, which is why they’re so insecure because the moment the moneys gone they lost the entire attraction point on what got them that succubus of a partner
That's a much nicer way to say it than I did!
@@devonwilliams2423I mean okay I'm sure the ones smart enough to use them, sure are a succubus but the ones that might actually he interrested in them are just sad little ladies who need a dad and a larger wealth of knowledge.
After watching the full show: the thing that really impresses me is that Destiny manages to be well-spoken, respectful and funny without it being at the cost of anyone.
honestly a really great set of traits I envy it
For sure, because everyone but destiny was irritating me lmaooo
yup. it's an art.
Yea I disagree with a lot of Destiny’s takes, which is completely fine, but I still enjoy watching him debate and interact with those with differing opinions
And watching Sneako in anything but a 5 second video makes you realize how young and ignorant he is.
It's hilarious how visually obvious it is that Sneako is young just by his mannerisms. As soon as the women join, all the sudden he sits up cartoonishly with his head tilted up for 2 straight hours, puts on sunglasses to avoid eye contact, gets quiet and more "stern" in his tone trying to sound more "alpha" lmao. Way more performatively combative with Destiny disagreeing with him, and doing that thing where a guy tries to make himself look better by putting others down at every opportunity. Way less lighthearted. He's gotta look like a tough statue for the ladies haha. He's so controlled by the presence and attention of women it's hilarious. It's all such an obvious show he's putting on.
Was looking for a comment like this, the second the girls showed up he switched. Hell even fresh&fit didnt do this. Crazy how these redpill guys switch up trying to be hard and then claim girls have no control over them. Dawg ur whole stature changed the sec they came around, and 3/4 of these girls aren’t even attractive 💀💀💀
I mean, fair, but also how many of us would act totally normal in a convo about sex with 9 eligible bachelor(ette)s?
He’s watched hours of Tate and is cosplaying
@@Nikifuj908 Well when only 1.5 of them are kind of attractive and the rest are all too stupid, it's not that hard haha. (but attractiveness is entirely subjective. They're certainly not my type. the onlyfans chick is a bit.)
However you're basically making my point: He's got that young guy who's still too nervous around women to be himself vibe hard. Like he plays a "top g" who's got a ton of experience with women, but acts like a 16 year old who doesn't when they're around.
@@Nikifuj908 Having a convo about sex with a group of women is not fucking hard if you're not trying to sell a fake image. Just be yourself and don't be a creep.
I'm glad I've never met a woman like this before
I'm glad I've never met a woman.
These girls make me wish I never met a woman period
Lol,the entire point of this portion of the show is to find the dumbest and most materialistic women possible to paint all women as dumb and materialistic. It's kind of hard to find women this dumb irl.
If these guys moved to the Midwest all their problems would disappear, they’d meet a nice conservative girl
@@andrewcox5873 Yeah, but Florida weather is so guuud bro. I try to stay away from the shithole cities like Miami and Orlando, but if all these newyorkers and californians keep movin in then I might just need to move to the midwest.
Destiny is literally the only person on this panel that doesn't make me lose all hope for humanity
I just discovered him, and I'm hooked. I think listening to him makes me smarter 😅
Then you are fu_ked
Right
He destroyed these idiots arguments haha
@@nigelharden2777 I think he's smart, and I agree with some of his positions, but many of his views are flawed because they stem from his shallow underlying beliefs about how things should be.
The "would you date a bisexual guy" part was so hilarious. It's all good if that's their preference. But their takes were insane lol. Like then claiming they want a traditionally masculine man, when they themselves arent traditionally feminine women. Also, saying they can't trust them to not cheat was also hilarious.
Yeah this did not help their case at all. Disappointing to be honest, but also funny in how absurdly stupid it was. Wait I just realized, actual SquadW lmao. At least for these specific girls.
Women get super weird if they know the person they're dating is bi. For whatever reason, women think that straight men somehow won't cheat on them with another woman, but if they're with a bi guy, they'll be deep dicking some dude in a couple days. Straight women have shitloads of homophobia no one ever talks about.
Both sexes are pretty bad at handling bi guys, but women will 100% hear a guy is bi and then write them off as another gay guy. Guys have issues to with bi men too, but they'll at least think about it a bit and come to the conclusion that bisexual and homosexual aren't the same thing. 90% of women won't ever have that thought.
Yeah but I mean, these women are just the kind to sit around and be pretty and get endless simpage from dudes. This podcast is pretty famous for just getting airhead hotties on to argue with and I think a lot of these people have done 0 introspection, ever so like, they will support traditionalism where it is beneficial but denounce it where it isn't. They'll basically just argue anything out of self interest.
This show almost made me a misogynist lol jk
It's funny too because Destiny is bi
Sneako: I'm not a sheep.
Also Sneako: We don't have the power to change the culture. All we can do is act accordingly 🤷♂️
His argument is that they can't change the world, but they can realize how the world functions and act accordingly (use that information to their benefit).
@@rootpill yeah I dont know why he thinks there's a contradiction here lol
@@rootpill But that worldview only makes sense if no man has ever changed the world. Which they have, obviously.
So pathetic for someone, especially someone with influence and an audience, to entirely give up on making any kind of a difference to the culture they inhabit.
Exactly, he doesn't realize how much he contradicts himself. You are by definition a sheep if you operate in the lie and continue to thrive in it rather than change it
@@rootpill But that is literally sheep talk. If you actually are a wolf you have the power to change he world. But he is actually not going what he says at all.
You can tell the last girl sneako was with destroyed him, man is beyond bitter when it comes to certain topics. Hopefully he finds the peace he needs lmao
Sneako use to be in a open relationship going both ways but felt insecure about it after watching his girl get fucked by another dude while laying in the same bed right next to them.
@@EsotericOccultist Thanks for your observation. I dont think that it was needed tho, I wasn't trying to be genuine. Idk that man 😂 This is nothing but entertainment.
@@EsotericOccultist how did you assume all of that from a youtube comment. Go outside man jfc
@@EsotericOccultist Epic cope.
The guy was fuming at some points during the discussion. His unnecessarily aggressive behavior towards some of the women was really disturbing to see. Definitely someone to keep a close eye on…
The problem with sneako is that he's so wrapped up in projecting this image of bravado, that he's really just being rude and uncompassionate to people. Dude lacks so much compassion when he speaks and if he just relaxed a little he might actually be able to have some good convos with these women
Fuck it, compassion is overrated
@@MartinGarden compassion is a human necessity.
Dude someone hurt Sneako BAAAAD. He just comes off so fucking salty this entire stream. The tension in the air makes it seems like he’s about to fucking slap someone at any second. Jesus.
He recently broke up with his girlfriend. He was in his redpill thing before. But after the breakup, the man went nuclear.
because all the girls like destiny LOL his entire world view was shattering this stream every time destiny makes the girls laugh he looks angry
@@amp4105 You might be a tad bias in your perception in relation to Destiny.
@@amp4105 yeah not really... destiny isn't really a ladies man lol
Wait so they're openly claiming that men only want sex from women, but then they also shame the very sex workers that offer sex to this demographic of men who *ONLY* want sex? How tf does that work?
Also, how can they argue that men only want sex from women in the end, but have also claimed on many occasions that men in this day and age are lonelier due to having a harder time finding a woman who will date them if they're the "average looking man"? So in other words, these men that they're talking about only view women as human sex toys, but also complain about being lonely...even though these same men don't want to put in the work and effort that it takes to build a healthy relationship (because again, they only want women for sex).
Did I misinterpret anything? Someone please let me know, because there is no way in hell that F&F and Sneako lack this much self-awareness in how much their statements contradict each other...
@@Thatbadasstoner214 Both men and women can lack self awareness and contradict themselves. It's not mutually exclusive.
The reason why I'm focusing on F&F and Sneako specifically is because they portray themselves as if they have women and the world figured out and that they're somehow smarter than the average individual, despite operating exactly like the women they claim are irrational, shallow, etc.
@@Thatbadasstoner214 and what type of women do they attract? The very woman that they complain about on their podcast.
No woman with self respect and independence is gonna date them.
@@Thatbadasstoner214 Because if they dated decent women, they wouldn't have said views about women.
If they dated decent women, they wouldn't view all women as gold diggers. If they dated decent women, they wouldn't view all women as "Onlyfans thots". If they dated decent women, they wouldn't claim that all women are known for weaponizing a man's vulnerability when he feels comfortable opening up.
The type of women that they describe on their show are a cherrypicked selection of toxic women, but since they apply these toxic traits to *ALL* women, it would be illogical to them come to the conclusion that they've dated decent women. Because if they have dated decent women, they would know that not all or even most women are like this.
@@Thatbadasstoner214 I wouldn't take advice from fnf. They don't practice what they preach. They were caught on sugar baby site, while going on about women's "burning desire". Plus they contradicted themselves on multiple occasions.
Are you talking about the "skip the dates and flights" part cause if so then they aren't saying guys only want sex but just that those are actions to get sex.
"That's just hardwired biology!" Oh Sneako, we all know you've never passed a biology class.
Lol
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I mean at least he knows how many genders there are and what a woman is which is more than some
Sneako and the fresh and fit guys are genuinely morons who are slaves to their own insecurities and emotional baggage. Honestly, Destiny tried and I respect him for that.
Lol Destiny thinks Fit (Myron?) is pretty smart... Guess that'll cause some cognitive dissonance for you.
@@soccerplayer922 Destiny is a reasonably smart guy but he's not like a 'thought leader' or someone who's always right about everything lol. Do u think if I watch someone on RUclips I have to think that everything they say is correct? I'm glad you've learnt a cool phrase like 'cognitive dissonance' though!
@@jsarphie1847 your comment suggested you considered him some thought leader. Lul.
And your response suggests you do. Otherwise you'd ignore the comment I left, or have responded with out spite.
@@soccerplayer922 which part of my comment?
Nah the reason I replied isn't cos I think Destiny's a genius or anything, it's because the redpill ideology is moronic and your comment was coming out in defense of one of its most visible spokesmen. Its my moral duty to shit on that ideology wherever I see it.
Keep projecting your issues bud.
PSA: do not take anything said about relationships from people like this seriously. They do not live the same lives we do. I just can't believe the wild disconnected shit I am hearing. Destiny included. Social media influencers and content creators do not treat people or look at people the same way most of us do. I stress out thinking about the young people watching this and taking it seriously. Please don't.
This^
@@raaedk I disagree. You should never be complacent in being average, always strive to be something more than just Joe Shmo down the block.
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@@justinr1513 Nobody said otherwise. Read again.
That's just nonsense. There are a lot of real, meaningful insights on human nature and why the dating dynamic is the way it is in the west. By the end of the video a lot of the women understood a different perspective and there was some growth. Yes, these women came to Miami to chase clout and probably do feed into the fresh and fit bias, but the hosts have stated repeatedly a lot are flown in and have higher forms of education, and while they may not reflect all of women in the west, there are certain aspects addressed here that certainly do apply to everyone. People offended by something tend to throw the baby out with the bath water. Yes, there was a lot of misogyny here, but when you cut through the bullshit it's all incredibly relevant.
I would be a misogynist too if I was surrounded by these types of women
you are one my dude, generalizing all women because of these women is misogynistic
@@miaj8680 If one was, as a majority, exposed to women like these, being misogynistic would be a moral obligation.
@@ludwigaccursed Ok so if I had bad experiences with men then basically it's ok for me to say all men are rapist monsters? And it would be ok for me to be a misandrist
Explain how they're misogynistic
@@SolidSnake240 Explain how they're not.. they talk like incels
Watching Destiny in their environment is wild. Its like he's the guru but they know/don't know it. The difference in maturity and wisdom is wild. Yet, I know from other Political points, he has room for improvement. Loved this content for you Destiny. Its like bridging different worlds
Same thing as when Aba came over. The drama that unfold after was fun to watch 🍿
Might happen this time too with destiny. But he won’t accept anyone’s invite to a boxing match probably lmao
Lmfao. "The guru"
@Anthony Casey brah, don’t tell me F&F are lmao
ITS WILD
@Anthony Casey right, Like he's not the most sucessful one at this panel lmao 😂
I am bisexual and I do not like to be accused of being a cheater or that I am incapable of being masculine. They don't have to date bi men but why are they so disrespectful about it?
Here’s a perspective from a woman and why I don’t date bisexual men when I know.
The culture surrounding sex is very different from men and women. There’s a reason why we meme lesbians ready to take out a mortgage together by the 3rd date.
Men have sex when they can while women have sex when they want.
By me knowing that my boyfriend or husband is bisexual I know they can cheat on me whenever they can (ie boys trips, clubbing, hell even in the back of the mall parking lot) because I know other men think of sex very casually.
Not only does this mean heartbreak but the potential for disease that I would’ve never encountered should I have been with a 100% straight man or even another woman.
@@imjustsayin34 the idea that bi men (and women) are natural cheaters is inherently biphobic. it's fine if you'd rather not date them (i won't ever tell someone who to date or who to be interested in) but everything you just listed applies to heteronormative relationships as well. If a man or woman is going to cheat, there is nothing you can do about it. Sure, their potential dating market is increased but if they're dating you and you still think this way it's a reflection of your own insecurity and feelings of inadequacy.
They're dumb...their opinion don't matter, so don't let these type of people affect you😅
Because you guys are not normal?
@@borutosdad7685 😑 You know that homosexuality and bisexuality is natural(a.k.a normal...).
You can see it in the animal kingdom
If you're religious you're criticizing God's work😅🤦🏾
I've listened to the whole episode. Fresh, Fit, and Sneako really aren't ready for relationships. Destiny who is Married seems to understand what is realistic about a relationship.
Allowing other guys to bang your wife is not realistic.
He said it right before going on the show he had been married once, lived his the wild life when he was considered "lame". He understands because he lived it and had it.
good thing they dont want relationships then since apparently they arent ready according to you.
He’s married to Melina yes, but so is everyone else.
Destiny is letting her wife get fucked by other men. If thats what being ready for relationships means, then I never will be.
The single mom that’s a rapper has the biggest “not like other girls” energy I’ve ever seen.
I mean most other girls haven't engaged in watersports so she's definitely unique.
She was the most unique in this selection tho. Mainly because she's a mother
@@somebrid2147 yea I’m glad she was involved but the agreeing with fresh&fit and saying young girls aren’t real women shit was unnecessary
@@akindantagonist8708 it was an attempt to set her apart from the other girls at the table. She knew they would be getting their asses handed to them about their womanhood and she thought putting some space between them and her would grant her some charity. Turns out redpillers just hate women. Lol
yeah you can see why shes a single mother.. so much masculine energy.. sad to see as shes pretty cute.
These guys do come off as legitimately hating women in a lot of ways. They see them as opponents or targets rather than partners or people. It does explain a lot of where their mindset comes from but it's still pretty terrifying.
Tbh, i was also disappointed in these women as well. I already knew that the Fresh and Fit crew would act the way you describe, you were spot on. But these women either communicated poorly during the "debt" part of the convo, or i dont know. Most of them had huge debt, and they were still being judgemental about getting in a marriage with someone in debt as well? Like, it is okay for the guy to have to deal with their debt, but not the other way around? Women should also be seeing their man as their partner, not their sugar daddy, imo.
Im just glad every girl i know isnt like these women
these women dont make their case any better. and i think we all know that the dudes are just grifting off the womens lack of knowledge and self awareness. these women arent scholars or educated people who work a salary.
Spoken like a true beta
Tell me Im a small dick energy destiny dick rider without telling me
If u dealt with the type of women they deal with on regular basis u would probably hate them too
Crazy how Sneako was silent against Destiny but he gained all the confidence talking to a bunch of bimbos.
Easy pickings
Sneako respects and possibly even looks up to destiny in some ways why he frequents his streams and hangs out with him so much these days
They are good friends
Jesus Christ, the twins are like the anti-destiny. It's like they're speaking at 0.25x speed.
They probably smoked something
ong i thought they were disabled or some shit 😂😂
@@coocoo3336 yeah you right, or popped some xans or something
I assumed they were just really drunk
🤣🤣🤣 I thought they were on something before they arrived.
as a woman, I will have to say, im more traditonal when it comes to my views on dating, sex, ect... Its kinda disappointing to see these guys bring out one type of girl and then paint every woman like this. I barely identify at all with any of these women, I probaby have more in common with Destiny than I do with any of these women. I will agree with destiny here, there are some good advice from the red pill community but they do take it too far and often miss the mark explaining how every girl is or I guess its more that they are so sure that this is how every woman acts. I donno maybe its because I'm a little older and married now. But hell, the dating scene couldnt have changed this much in 5 years.
That's the issue I find with FnF, they claim to be open minded but you already know the only girls willing to go onto these shows are the ones looking for clout
@@Redxminder agreed. Which sucks because I actually agree with some things that the red pill community says, but i feel like they are just as wrong as much as the left is on this issue. I would probably say, the truth is somewhere in the middle of these two.
@@Redxminder you can't be serious right?
@@zambot264 what did he said that’s wrong?
@@Therhyrhy123 the part about only one type of girl. They might be the majority but there has been a consistent level of the other types. Why do you think they now ask about education level? Because people keep complaining that they kept brining on dumb bimbos
Destiny's most intellectual debate opponents yet...
Which is never even remotely more than single digits
The word you're looking for is "intelligent". Intelligent describes a thing with an abundance of intelligence. Intellectual refers to a thing/concept that is of or related to intelligence.
Just ironic you're judging people for their intelligence and yet...
@@GNotGenius ok.
@@GNotGenius ok
@@GNotGenius ok
These 9 girls have a combined IQ of room temperature water. Sneako is either a genius and is grifting super hard or is right there with the women. F&F are for sure grifting or have spent so much time in this delusional world they built that they actually believe it.
This redpill shit is so painful to listen to. Destiny (male) was the only thing that makes this bearable. Listening to the insane answers and opinions from his questions was wild.
Some of these girls were definitely wasted. They seemed super drunk.
instead of talking shit, why dont you educate us about what they say is wrong? And im sure you also interviewed 1000 of females with all kinds of degrees that your opinnion matters.. always gotta love this keyboard warriors and their comments
@@IIVenom fresh and fits brand is bringing on women that's not traditional and in my opinion only follow the convo without adding nothing but circles to run. Yes majority of women are city girls depending where you at. Vice versa with men cause of the red pill they wanna be pimps and players. Real shit bro both men and women with the feminist and red pill communities are denying their nature. Men with providing and protecting the family, women creating life and catering. Yes marriages are ass. That's on the people both man and woman who decide to make those decisions that could lead to a divorce. This world is in a huge divide America being the first. If we all stop denying our nature and take accountability it'll be one giant step of harmony though realistically people dont want the best for themselves and in my opinion that's part of not denying your role If you were to date, get in a relationship, or married.
You add nothing new to the discourse but labeling and name calling. It sounds like you are just parroting woke talking points. Ironically, you did exactly the opposite of what Destiny did; he offered counter arguments.
The cringe you felt, validates FnFs opinions on these girls 🤷🏾♂️
Destiny said it best last debate (tho he didn't rlly hammer it in): if you screw around in these types of circles where those are the standards, you're going to self perpetuate those standards for yourself in your life all the damn time. But a lot of those things are way more restrained to those circles than these types want to think. Remember there are lots of "markets" open. Also, ironic that the guys who say they're about men improving themselves for themselves (and not so they can get women) center so much about themselves on women. Even if they don't openly acknowledge it, they're UNDENIABLY promoting that type of attitude in their audience, even though they say they aren't.
Well a ton of their viewers are watching them because they cant get women in the first place.
Some good life advice is that anyone who talks in absolutes, take them with a big grain of salt. “All women are this” “all men are that”. The universe rarely works that way
@@andrewcox5873 it's weird. surely they meet women in real life who break their mold all the time. what does the existance of these women tell them? does it not sink in?
@@katyfive1 When people believe overarching things like this, they tend not to allow the exceptions to break their perceptions of the rule. It's not really "cognitive dissonance", but close enough.
I don't know where in the blackpill/incel spectrum I belong, but man is it really fucking hard to find people who aren't these superficial clout/money hungry types... like forget women, I'm speaking about people in general. The type of women they had on this particular show are extremely similar to women I'm around with in college and work, I'm trying super hard to find a tight knit group of people who can break the mold. For men they're obsessed with women, investing, and clout for the sake of attracting the most women, while for women it's horoscopes, clout, and lavish lifestyles to show off in their social media accounts, I'm in a desperate NEED for normal people with some type below the surface passion for something personal fulfilling for them that's beyond status and wealth. Maybe I'm just screwed because I live in NYC lmaoo
Maybe I'm biased having graduated uni and working a corporate job, but fk me some (not all) the girls on this panel could barely dribble a sentence together.
I almost can't blame F&F, Sneako, Tate, etc for having the opinions on women they do if the type of girls on this panel are an accurate representation of those they spend 99% of their time around. How could you ever hope to get engaging conversation, meaningful connection, shared experiences in art, culture, etc.
TL;DR: I'm never going to miami lmao
Yeah they form their whole view of women due to sampling bias.
This is what 99% of woman are like .
They have many different women from around the world with multiple different backgrounds from only fans girls to one with PHDs.
They all pretty say the same thing. If you watch the show, even the older college educated single women act the same way
@@TheWujuStyle under this IQ lool
@@TigerAskari_ I’ve seen the ones who allegedly have PhDs. I work in academia. Not one woman with a PhD I know behaves the way they do.
If this panel is representative of all women, I'd like to humbly apologize to the Incel community.
It is definitely not!
Good good thing these guys aren't incels so wrong crowd
its representative of miami women. theyre in miami for a reason lmao
Definitely not. People need to understand what they see on the internet is often exaggerated and not at all like the real world.
@@Youllneverfindmezx especially since most these girls are "influencers" or on reality TV or some shit
When you are a narcissist and only mess with other narcissists this is the kind of shallow existence that happens 🤷🏻♀️
Never thought fresh and fit would be so progressive. The fact that they would bring a womans perspective on their podcast shows how much they must respect their opinions
Thats...That's.... the basis of the show... they always have women on
@@ThatFunnyPlace BEYTAAAAAAAAA
They are leading a new wave of dialogue!
Lmao
@@ThatFunnyPlace truly a beacon of progressivism
I’ve literally never met a single woman in my 33 years of life that resemble anything like the women I see or hear about here.
@@EsotericOccultist You believe what your eyes see? Sheep…
@@EsotericOccultist agreed. I hate when people make stupid comments like that
Your own eyes in this instance are just your own anecdotal evidence right?
Same. The braindead gorillas in the comment section are like "uh I go to clubs and women like this are everywhere!" and they seriously don't get the flaw in their logic.
31. I run into almost EXCLUSIVELY these types. They're everywhere
This is the most unholy gathering of the shallowest people imaginable!
What makes you think youre not shallow?
@@davidfosford how can he possibly be, he’s enlightened
@@Nnm26 Yeah but he's a normie
@@davidfosford He wasn't on the Fresh and Fit podcast
@@salemblackstock8850 your parents had you for tax benefits
"Women shut the fuck up when they're around a man of value"
I guess that's pretty telling on why F&F usually kick off any woman that speaks their mind and checks them
Then kicking women off for speaking would imply they are not high value men. Based on their logic.
@@PerfectDark0 Exactly lmao
@@PerfectDark0 There's some women stupid and don't men in general and they admit in the podcast "I hate men in general "
that was hilarious. destiny gave them a chance to see another way. but at least they were honest, "world is what it is and we are not interested in change".
They are slaves to their own perspectives
@@bryanzen300 I think most people are
That is not at all ehat happened. They completely understand what destiny said but destiny's premise is inherently setting men up for disaster. He is saying operate as yoy want the world to be but that doesn't work. Telling fnf to tell their audience to not obsess over 😼 so that girls lose their ego won't work because there will ALWAYS be imps blowing their head up. The audience will think they are changing the world when they are doing nothing and they are int he dame predicament of not being able to operate in the world as it is.
You cant change it if women dont want to take the neccesary sacrifie and men dont want to sacrfice. You cant force people to settle and most people wont.
@@davidfosford Destiny did give evidence and examples where people have changed.
It's not just loud rude women that are unattractive it's loud obnoxious people in general. Singling out women for that is that part that makes it sexist.
To be fair, the only loud rude women here are the women
@@T2G-DJT It didn't sound to me like fresh and fit were calling out specifically these women. They were saying all women should be quiet, leaning into some anti PC hyperbole. The real stance they took with the following example of not being obnoxious at a business social applies to all people not just women.
@@ErathornIx They aren't asking women to be all meek can shit. Yet you cannot disagree women that make it an effort to be the loud one when everybody's chilling trying to vibe isn't attractive at all. SInce it's comment in the mainstream media to dog men, hell a lot of the loud one are normally italians stereotypes especially post Jersey Shore.
Keep in mind that these aren't just Miami women- they're women who were hand picked from a group of women who are willing to go on a red pill podcast where they know they're going to get roasted regardless of what they say. #RespectWomen
Miami is already a black hole that draws in these sorts of people lol
nah, half of them don't even know what type of podcast it is. These women just go on there for clout.
@@zorrothethief6065 Those Twins were either baked or have a joint IQ below 80, they talk like they are high.
These women deserve no respect
Do you think most people in Miami are from Miami, it's probably one of the biggest tourist hubs in America
1:18:42 Destiny hit the nail. We do live in a hypersexual society where we just value looks and not emotions and the spiritual side of sex.
Facts
NEVER thought I'd see the day when the Sneako Arc produced a harem Westiny
looool
HAHAHA
I can’t believe you strung up a line of words to make this sentence a reality. W
Are you locked in a basement ? There's a whole world out there bud.. please get off the internet
@@briano9397 ok
"I'm a firm believer that women are to be seen and not heard unless they're spoken to" Do these guys want to date a fucking child? If this situation was flipped and their partner had the same attitude they would be out of that relationship so fast.
Different cultures exist
They think that if they're "providing value" that a woman won't leave them 😂
@@jjrobledo but isn’t that demeaning to ANOTHER HUMAN BEING WITH THEIR OWN VALUES AND GOALS, it’s like telling someone not to think
One of them women said they needed to see daddy energy 🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️. I worked with many people from India and I would often have conversations with them about life (it was a Lutheran school). I remember being told that for the most part where they're from women are expected to keep quiet and stay away when there's more than one man together. Also they said the women were being given too many rights. And this comes from average to below average men from across the globe.
@@jjrobledo literally no cultures say this
Destiny humbly smiling while the other dudes explain to the women that they know them better than they do and then getting proven terribly wrong Is so entertaining
The collective insecurity in this panel is too much to bare
These debates are so divorced from reality. They all talk from such rich, materialistic backgrounds. Although some fundamental things are true, most people don’t ever think like this.
Ye I was thinking this. Growing up in a small town in England I can't help but feel like these big city Americans are living in a different reality. One that runs off money, plastic and fake smiles
@@Dogpoop118 classic murica. keep in mind that the people of America unironically voted for trump.
@@KiuHayakari What? The people who voted for trump are mainly small town areas. That's why he lost the popular vote.
@@shadowmasterp Not by a lot thou and that is the point. There are still a lot of Trump supporters in America.
@@RanEncounter From the flow of how i read it, it sounded more like they were implying that out of touch people in cities were voting for trump.
You can tell Steven's love for women just raising with every word that leaves their mouths
Jesus I felt my brain rotting as I listened
Thats why the redpill is half right, many women are apart of the problem
@@jamiehayes7353 Ah yes the council of women sent the brainless! Or maybe F and F choose these types of girls...
No wonder these guys have such bleak views on women. The women they surround themselves with are absolutely insufferable
Destiny is probably the only man with enough class, personality, and intellect/common sense on this episode to find a decent woman, which is reflected in his own healthy marriage. These men attract the exact kind of women they dislike because they lack any of the previously mentioned qualities. If they want a traditional woman, then they have to act like the type of man who would attract that kind of woman. They are not traditional men. My grandfather, to get my beautiful, modest, and well-behaved grandmother, didn’t approach the situation simply looking for a transaction or sex. He had to get a laborious job to provide, ascribe to mutually held beliefs, and help her through the trials and tribulations of life, even to his own detriment at times. He even helped her to get a bachelors degree so she could be a teacher, he has no secondary education.. They celebrated their 70th wedding anniversary not too long ago and have 3 grandchildren. It’s sad to think that none of the men (and women probably) in this podcast, except maybe destiny, will get to experience the happiness a life like that brings.
If you have to teach a girl to love you, cook, and clean to give you both a nice home to live in together, then it’s probably your fault for going for that girl to begin with. You can point out her flaws all day long if you want, but that doesn’t make a man anything more than what he is, a boy who is incapable of getting the kind of woman he wants because of his own fundamental obsession with vanity.
I really appreciate this comment 🙂
This is so true!
Too long for a joke dude. Satiricize his "open" marriage in a paragraph or less.
Me, I would just point and laugh.
Yea his girl gets smashed by other dudes
thats not a healthy marriage
1:07:00 Destiny goes in hard and presents an idealistic perspective in an attempt to convince the boys to really step up and create positive change with their platform. It was like an inspirational half time speech in a movie. Damn impressive. He sculpted an entire show of positive engagement with just enough push back for this moment. I doubt most people can see the 4D chess he's playing here but he's really giving it his all.
I think this is one of the best debate out there, because there are two paths given that are opposite but reasonable for people to decide which one they want to take. One is of destiny where he says bring the change which alters the way men and women operate in terms of chasing and being chased vs fresh N fit/Sneakos way in which they see the world as is right now and want to operate in realms of that having nothing to do with what could be a possible maybe future outcome. And i think it gives ppl opportunity to choose which path they will walk on based on their values and since both are a reasonable choice.
And then they just blew it
I hope it doesn’t go the same way it did with Aba when he went on their platform (well I partially do lol since it’ll be fun to watch fat and fake get mentally and intellectually rolled by a 4D chess player on meth lmoa)
@@JustGotALife I loved this part, bc one way is to accept the rules of the game as it is, even if they are unfair, and abuse them to your strength, the other way is, trying to reevaluate the rules of the game and change it to be more fair.
He's full of shit. Idk if its his electoralism or something else that makes him obsessed with "participating" and "effecting" society.
Social media has no real life effect on it's own, unless you are forming an organized political movement. There is no "discourse" that permeates through society that you are effecting by giving your opinion. The best you can hope for is an unremarkable drop in the ocean, like the emails Destiny gets where people say "wow, you changed my mind on this and that!".
Damn glad I’m not a bi dude. Gotta be closeted for life.
Impressive how they found the most shallow women in existence.
This is actually a better caliber of guest than usual. Sometimes the entire female panel can barely form a coherent sentence
@@avalauren4731 what do you think is their cups
When the woman said her name was Destiny I actually died.
this was the first fresh and fit episode I've ever watched and man was it tough to get through
Same 😭
3:25 "Hey guys I'm Destiny."
It finally happened thank GOD!
These are truly the moments of the greatest content the human race has EVER BEEN EXPOSED TO!
The reaction to “you should be able to wait a few weeks to fuck somebody.” Jesus Christ it makes me sick to my stomach that anybody would see that as shocking
I love what destiny did here. The basic narrative of these people is "girls are such assholes, they all aim for the top 20 percent men"
bjt destiny turned it around by saying "well, yes, girls are gonna go for the best they can get, if guys would just stop fucking below standard, suddenly, a lot of women would have to start bringing value" and these guys will unironically respond with "well, guys just wanna fck, that's just how it is, it's their nature"
and YES, thats the problem. guys nature is just as broken as girls nature.
not generally a destiny fan, but he was an insanely positive influence on this table
The narrative isn’t girls are assholes for following their nature, they’re just women. The narrative is this is the truth of how they act so men should act accordingly and focus on building themselves up so they can decide which of these women they want to include in their lives
Guys wanting to fk everything has always been the case. Promiscuous women is what's broken if we are talking from a biological and historical perspective
Yes because that’s the truth lmao. You think guys are gonna stop wanting to have sex? They literally agree with that sentiment that if guys stop simping things would change. But a lot of guys do just want to have sex so speaking about some imaginary society where every guy is this stoic man that can control his needs is illogical but cope harder I guess lmao
Women control sex, they have the power of choice whether a man gets laid or not. With that being said, can you be surprised that men have such low standards when it comes to sex? Even the "hot" guys will bust the cheeks of very average women because it's "easier" and they don't have to compete with other "hot" guys to vie for "hot" girls attention. The problem is, those average women think just because a hot guy messes with them their SMV(sexual market value) raises.
The problem is women conflate sexual intentions with intentions which they are not mutually exclusive.
guys nature is broke in the sense that men are weak and womens is women being strong which is natural
Sneako slowly morphing into a Tate is so amusing
This is actually the most braindead debate I've seen destiny entertain and I've be following for years. Of course this only fits into the Redpill communities narrative more because they only bring on women that are like this. I think only one of the girls was actually making sense and making points on the topics while the others sat there slackjawed. Destiny also brought up good points to combat the Fresh and Fit narrative which was good but in the end I think it still fell flat.
@@fifiadan Do you really think most women go clubbing? You're delusional, dude.
When you go clubbing, you find a VERY specific NICHE kind of woman. Most women don't go clubbing. This is like saying "why are women so obsessed with religion" and then saying "by the way I only meet women at church." Yeah, you find shallow people at the club. No shit, Sherlock.
@@fifiadan Then don’t go clubbing lmao wtf do you expect from a place people go to have sex?
@@SkeleTonHammer You find shallow people everywhere church people are normally those clubbers just on a Sunday...Because they went to the spot on a Friday. A lot of women simply think alike here an example women copy each other when it comes to trends. Like you think women got those ugly ass septum rings because it was cute?
@@fifiadan No one thinks these women don’t exist? The problem with these red pill men is they inflate the problem and then tell men they should be acting in an immoral and disrespectful way because they will never escape the problem. “All women are inherently bad here’s proof. *selectively chooses immoral unintelligent women and destroys their arguments on a podcast*. Now men listen this is why you should give up on good women. Instead cheat on them and chase after money cars and hoes”.
What they’re doing is dishonest and pathetic. It’s also no wonder good women want nothing to do with them and why their perspectives become more and more extreme overtime.
@@fifiadan Now, it is the case that modern society is corrupting women, but you can acknowledge and bring awareness to that fact without dishonesty. You can point to good women (FEATURE THEM) and explain why they are valuable and encourage that behavior. Encourage men to seek those women and improve themselves so that they will become attractive to those women (spoiler it requires more than chasing money h(o)s and cars and cheating on your girlfriends). You can explain to men and women the specific ways that society is benefitting from the agendas they’re pushing on them and how it is harming them etc. A good example of someone like this is Jordan Peterson or just any moderate conservative
if you think of relationships as transactional, you will never have anything but transactional relationships.
These shallow, weak, surface level relationships, may give you instant gratification but long term, unconditional relationships will give you feelings, you didn't even know you had, or can even explain.
Seriously. It’s so strange how they all seem to leave love out of the entire discussion. Most people just want to have a loving partner who respects them and supports them emotionally through hard times and all of these dudes and women seem to just completely ignore that.
You can't talk about things like this in redpill community they'll just laugh in your face, that's like some made up fairy tale bull shit to them.
Doesn’t Destiny also think of relationships as transactional?
@@alexd4566 Yeah, but the transaction that he talks about is more like feelings, experiences, memories etc. Not like "I'll buy you a dinner so you owe me a BJ"
In video called "Podcast Turns Into Planned Ambush - I, Hypocrite Debate" he talks about it (around 22 minute mark).
@@alexd4566 He talks about it being transactional in a sense at the very base level, since you're both making each other happy. However, that's nowhere near the same as the examples they keep using here. They're arguing that it's fundamentally and inherently nothing but a trade that you're bartering like a sales pitch that never has any deeper meaningful connection to another human being. It's two very different descriptions.
"They're a ten but their functional IQ range doesn't exceed ten points most of the day."
God, Miami is a dystopian hell-hole, and it's rotting Destiny's soul from the inside.
They are below average on best stop capping
Most of those people aren’t even from Miami.
It is a dystopian hell hole most days though.
Myron swooping in to save sneako from the “how much u charging” question is so pathetic when they force the girls to answer that
Man I never thought that listening to a bunch of people like this would ever make me appreciate my wife more but it sure did lmao
I don't remember exactly when in the conversation, but at some point one of the girls bragged about getting up at 8:00 every morning with her kid and I just laughed my ass off. I don't know why but someone bragging about getting up at 8 in the morning when I and many other people I know have had to get up at 5:00 or earlier for work or school was just absolutely hilarious to me.
Just shows how easy their lives are
They would repeatedly and aggressively complain every single day if they had to wake up at 5am.
It’s still waking up and fulfilling and doing something regardless of how menial you feel the task is
It's not a contest.
@Marco A lol, nobody is bragging. The girl just brought up waking up at 8 every morning to demonstrate how tough her life is and that was funny to me.
All these chick's remind me of the most ratchet "popular" girls in high-school. Is that the only type of girl you're been attracted too all your life? Do you not recall an normal women you've met? Girls in sports, church, or who are super religious? It's like they are so used to ignoring other women & are used to only chasing LA & Miami chick all their lives.
These dudes remind me of date rapists.
This. Destiny tries to explain this but they just don't understand. They complain that "every woman is X", but they only participate in -- and perpetuate -- the market for "X women". All they see is X, because all they look for is X, all they go after is X, and they never look anywhere other than the breeding grounds of X. On top of that, their whole lifestyle and prescription revolves around getting X and being what X wants. They're not only actively arguing against Destiny on the idea of trying to fix the problem, they're aggressively participating in continuing and worsening the problem to boot. I can't tell if they're unmotivated and complacent, shortsighted, or legitimately don't want to change things now that they're "winning" at the game they think is bad. Everything they build their life around would be kind of wasted if things changed now, so they benefit from its continuation.
Sneako/them- we are trying to get guys to stop buying only fans
Also sneako/them - we can't try to change people, so let's not try to stop over valuing women.
I died laughing at Sneako's and Destiny's hypothetical questions.
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Sneako's brain just explodes when it comes to hypotheticals, I was cracking up when Mr.Girl was trying to use one to explain to Sneako why Cuties was unethical, and he just couldn't wrap his head around it ha.
I find this so funny, I started listening to this after waking up hung over from alcohol and shrooms. I was groggy and getting red pulled and loving the drama. I went and worked out for an hour and a half, now listening and just cannot with this energy. It’s hilarious. It’s putting into perpsective how whacked out people in this sphere are. All of them. Blue red women men, everybody. Everyone needs to get off the internet and finding healthy connections to invest in and a passion to get lost in. Jesus we have such an unhealthy society. Also, this sphere is like Twitter. Miami and the people poisoned by it are the extreme minority. It’s pretty funny when you think about it all in context
preach
@@TheRealSaintNickNorthside Yeah I came here to see what Destiny would add, but damn do I feel like I lost brain cells listening to the whole thing.
Funny part is I don’t think this is a Miami bubble but more so an issue of class. I think low to middle class people see relationships as purely transactional while rich people (at least 15k+/month) see more nuances
@@imjustsayin34 bro go to Miami and tell me their normal 💀 that’s a young city and it entertains itself with it’s crazy ideas. Miami is it’s own sub culture.
Interesting point, i definitely believe people in a fuzzy, negative, or stressed out headspace are more susceptible to this stuff. Healthy, clearheaded people can see past the bullshit.
Destiny? That's a lash tech's name.
Idk how destiny did this , this looks like a painful experience for anyone with an above single digit IQ
If this is what fresh and fit viewers see daily I understand why they're misogynistic. Personally ive never talked with a woman that's like this.
You don't really talk to attractive girls. Let's be real 😂.
Thought the same thing. Untill you start paying attention to it. It's a spectrum but they all have it.
@@redmatrixx more like fake girls. 99% of normal everyday women don't look like models
@@redmatrixx if the only attractive girls you've talked to are like this, sounds like you've got bad taste.
@@fifiadan men that found out ff and other redpill content have probably had bad experience in real life first at least a big portion.
Myron talks in such sweeping generalizations and I think that alone discredits the vast majority of his arguments
Myron explains to his audience that he understand women better than women understand themselves. So if a woman comes on agrees with him? Perfect, that proves his point! If a woman comes on and disagrees with him? Well she’s just not in touch with how she really feels. Also proves his point!
You wouldn’t be able to make this type of content without generalizing all men and women. If he gave nuanced takes on how there are many different types of women and men in this world and we can’t just type cast entire genders, he would lose like 90% of his audience.
@@Thatbadasstoner214 I watched this show not as a fan and found Myron’s questions to be dumb. He asked the girls if they would date a guy with debt, half of them said yeah they would depending on the debt, but that answer didn’t fit the red pill narrative so they badgered them and dismissed the answer
@@Thatbadasstoner214 Doesn't matter if it's on average or not. His applications of those averages is just completely wrong.
He just repeats Rollo and made a whole platform off of it
Be a bi man is so hard.. they’ll date a murder or drug dealer.. be literal porn stars.. expect men not to judge them meanwhile being the most judgmental ppl in the world
OK are you a bi man? Could you help me understand what is considered biphobic? I personally don't want to date bi men because there is a side to their sexuality that is so different from me and I will never be able to fulfill, is this biphobic? I don't judge them or lose attraction towards them, if anything it is more of an insecurity of mine
@@myotakuacountyo1216 just because a dude is bi doesn’t necessarily mean that they have raging desires to fuck men while they’re with you.
@@myotakuacountyo1216 I’m a bi woman, I’ll try to answer. I think everyone is allowed to have their preference.
What you’re saying doesn’t sound biphobic (in my opinion) because you’re not disparaging bi men. Notice the women in the vid are immediately disgusted by the idea of dating a bi man because they perceive them as lesser.
In your case, based on what you’ve said, you aren’t judging them as less masculine or deviant. You are just personally uncomfortable dating someone who has a broader preference due to insecurity that you may not be able to fulfill all of their physical needs.
@@myotakuacountyo1216 I think you're assuming a bi person needs to have pussy and dick in their life to be fulfilled
Straight guys can be fulfilled by one girl, but theres so many different types of women they are attracted to that they don't currently have, but you aren't worried about not fulfilling every fantasy a straight guy has
Bi person here too! The mentality of those girls is a shared “preference” amongst gay and lesbian people too. It’s so fucking hard to imagine being able to find love when you’re excluded from not only straight people but most disappointedly and shockingly, queer spaces as well. Most of these perceptions of bisexual people (especially men) is based on experiences they’ve never had with them, or negative generalizations. It took me so long to accept I was bi and I dealt w/ a lot of internalized biphobia bc of shit like this. Here for you, man! Keep your head up. :)
Destiny literally walking circles around these guys by just having a sensible view on the world and understanding that things are more nuanced then how these guys put it.
💯 the entire podcast. If you know, you know. If you don't, stay cognitively dissonant.
i'm glad destiny popped the question to the guys. F&F and sneako talking a big game about how all women are for sale at the end of the day, then suddenly men are immune to such things.
Tbh if someone offered me a billion dollars, I might just suck it up and bite the bullet
@@acenine8149 lol very poor choice of words, but i hear you. but there are plenty of people, even on that podcast who wouldn't do it. or if they did would be pretty fucked up afterwards. the emotional attachment you get from being with someone might be transactional in the most pedantic sense, but it isn't really something you can compare to money. these guys, especially sneako, aren't viewing women as intellectual equals anyway, so they can't even conceive of sexual relationships in that fashion
Bro I hope that Destiny is able to keep expanding his reach and his audience through stuff like this.
I love it. It's insane how he's one of the few people on the online left that is ACTUALLY reaching across the aisle, especially in (what seems to be) the redpill comeback era like this. I used to have good faith in breadtube to be able to do this but they've slowly closed themselves off in their own circlejerking bubbles now. Like, is Vaush is going to ever debate Nick Fuentes or Lauren Southern anytime soon? Heck, Hasan & Vaush won't even talk with Destiny and they're both on the left lmao
Me too. We need the middle of the road type voice he has in the calamity of today's politics.
I pray for sneako, dude is so lost in the sauce and never formed his own opinion even if formulating those opinions with a belief system like the red pill. Added nothing of value to the conversation.
Destiny just gained a fan🤭 I’m glad he was able to point out their is two sides to every situation and all of it is not only on the women. Both sexes need to be able to take accountability for what they put out in society. Also I feel like something that’s not being heavily emphasized is that a lot of Myron, sneako and the other guy ideology is heavily based on sex/sexuality, and anything started on the foundation of sexuality is doomed to fail. When you keep somebody’s value only physical you are eventually creating a thinking that makes it hard to see pass the physical layer. But tbh none of this would be a thing if we as a population kept God above ourselves. When you get to know God and His commandments and laws you will learn how to play your traditional role in society and in a relationship, which can add to what you bring to the table in a relationship.
i honestly hate the kind of douches who have a massive platform like sneako and F&F, pretending like they have no influence whatsoever and are just 'describing the world as it is', or 'just laughing at the absurdity of reality'. these people are selling their lifestyle, they're encouraging people to go in a particular direction, to think a particular way, but they act like they have no influence whatsoever. and maybe these 3 on their own don't have 'that' much influence, but there are THOUSANDS of other channels like theirs that do the same thing, and COLLECTIVELY, they definitely have the power to change society (at least somewhat).
anecdotal evidence, but if look at Gamergate. it gave rise to thousands and THOUSANDS of anti-sjw/femiinst/woke/etc. channels, which had definitely had a MASSIVE effect in gaming culture and the community. i met several people in real life at geek/nerd gatherings that were gamergaters. these people ABSOLUTELY have an effect
Yea when sneako said he had "no influence" on people I just checked out, I can't believe someone who's been doing RUclips for as long as he has doesn't think that content creators influence people at all, I've literally heard him refer to himself as an influencer. He got his medication mixed up and accidentally took the black/doomer pill instead of the red
Wdym most boys today play video games all day
this made me sad. the fact there are real adult men AND women who play into this childish, vapid view of relationships, really sucks.
I think my biggest issue with these red-pill guys is that, (outside of the wildly trash takes they have from time to time), is that talking to them is like trying to nail jello to a wall.
They can never seem to define their own terms. For instance, when they define the difference between women they'll sleep with and women they'll date, they say that women that they date have to "add value to their lives," or "bring something to the table." but they won't define what that means.
They dismiss the financial value a woman can add to a household because they conflate being in control of finances with being a provider. They try to dismiss the emotional side of relationships, which literally any psychologist or any other person with any understanding of neurochemistry knows you can't do. And they certainly don't value the intellectual value a partner can provide. You can tell by the way the way they respond when challenged, and if your partner doesn't challenge your ideas, they don't contribute intellectually.
But, if you press them on it, they go down these anecdotal rabbit holes and make circular arguments until either you just give up and stop pressing, or they threaten to cut off your mic.
It's like playing " Pin The Tail On The Donkey," but the donkey is real... And you're a paraplegic.
I think the biggest issue I have with the voices of the red-pill movement is that they're trying to sell pleasure to young, impressionable men who are looking for happiness. And those two things are nowhere near the same.
It's cuz their ideas are not based on reality and they're just pandering to bitter men who have bad luck with women. It's literally all pandering
It's not that complicated. You fuck sluts and when you find a good girl u get serious with her.
@@dante19890 lol Okay
I swear destiny sits there doing high end mathematical calculations in his head to decide when to give his opinion and when to keep it to himself so he’ll be invited next time to circles like that. My man is working so hard not to hurt the redpills feelings 😭😭
Its not that he's hurting anyone's feelings, its that his blue pill input is off putting in a room full of testosterone. And deep down he knows that every time he opens his mouth, the females in that rooms pussys are getting dryer and dryer
Myron like I bring women on here every night with PHDs. Not a single one with a phd only two with degrees and most “the question was too wordy” cmon Breh
i mean a lot of girls he brings on are college graduates but ok
honestly the whole segment about them not wanting to date a bi dude almost black pilled me.
These conversations are too nuanced for Sneako. Everytime he opens his mouth dumb nonsensical shit comes out
God it’s so easy to shut all of myrons points down and point out his hypocrisy. He’s so cringe
It's unfortunate the woman in red didn't speak up at all the whole podcast. She was easily the most accomplished woman on the entire panel but only ever heard her when she was directly asked a question. Would have liked to of heard from an actual 'high value woman' on this trash podcast.
hang out with people with degrees long enough you'll realize it doesn't necessitate being intelligent, or educated or "accomplished"...
plus if shes doing onlyfans now it probably means she did not want to go into the field she got an education in and is not interested in that subject/ that kind of life.
@@leftcritical7352 yeah I have to agree. Having a BA is pretty standard nowadays. I barely managed to get my degree so I’m not trying to diminish the accomplishment but it’s not…that big of a deal in the grand scheme of things
Memorization and book learning/test taking skill can not substitute for baseline intelligence
Yeah was most interested in her opinion as well, the others showed there low iq in abundance, just about nothing came out of her, total shame.
OF pronstar is most accomplished 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
This is like a group of cardboard people, trying to describe more cardboard people to make their argument sound valid.
Except Destiny.
You can see Destinys soul leaving his body every second...
this video legit made me think sneako is a virgin... the way he speaks to the women here is insane.
he literally had two girls that he was insulting in the show essentially flirting with him. wtf are you talking about
I cannot belive this is 2 years ago. I feel like everyone's perception of time has been fucked since Covid..
Destiny talking about his workaholicism reminds me of someone I know. Since he was in his teens he worked 24/7. It would get to a point where he'd have the whole "successful business man life-style" with overseas travel & tons pussy, but he wouldn't even have time for that. Only work. And he made one mistake a few years ago & now he's poor, in his late 70s, and everytime he talks about his life it'd usually revolve around work experiences, and never about his friends or family.
What I'm trying to say is the making a name for yourself is good. Hard work is good, but don't make that thr reason you lose sight of your relationships.
Exactly. Work is good, but if it's the only thing that's driving you, you'll have nothing else.
The way these guys talk about relationships and friendships just makes me think they haven't had a genuine friendship with another person.
Im oozing with unconditional LOVE for women.
Same!!!
Omg yesss
Me too. Sometimes that unconditional love oozes into their mouths. Some girls like unconditional love on their face, some just spit out because the unconditional love tastes weird.
yaass king
BINGQILIN
I feel like I’ve gotten brain damage watching just 20 minutes of this, holy crap
Yeah these are all a specific type of women. Not the type I speak too myself personally. It leaves me to wonder how fresh & fit along with sneako can generalize all women like this. Have they really only interacted with these type of women their whole lives? I hope not, that would be sad.
birds of a feather flock together. Women who are not like run the opposite direction of these people, so the only ones who stay are the ones who fit their vision. It's like being an outward sociopath and thinking most people are immoral, well of course because you are gonna repel them and only keep the equally sociopathic people.
Huh, it's like a real life echo chamber. Didn't realize those existed. Though I guess in hindsight, I should've known since cults and mlms exist.
Destiny had an impressive performance despite having 8 anchors around his neck lmao
Imagine thinking you're a high value man as you test for STDs 😂
This is so cringe.
Opening the show by putting a spotlight on each woman and asking what the bare minimum would be to prostitute themselves.
Gross
As a dad raising a three year old, I'm terrified of the world he has to grow up in when these are the conversations people are having.
No self respect.
The fact that they put Destiny right next to ANOTHER DESTINY is hilarious.
I wish Destiny could introduce himself
All I can imagine destiny thinking during the introductions is "I'm surrounded by idiots".
I can imagine destiny holding his tongue for 99% of this. He played it well! If he wans’t there in person I wonder if he’d push back on the ‘trap’ questions, or when the guys say answer 1 def automatically means answer 6. They don’t seem to believe 2 things can be true at once - at all