@@blodhthringa I’m right there with ya on your analysis. However, I also add the televangelists with this as well. Those who are literally trying to sell Christ.
Saw these guys open for Chevelle, crazy good live. Always felt that this wasn’t a stab at Jesus, but at people who misuse his name for power or worldly gain.
This exactly. In that same album, they discuss how religion has affected family, but also how important it can be for finding purpose and value in life. The songs Jenny and God Went North are particularly noteworthy and are two of my favorite songs ever. They aren’t Christians, but I think they do respect authentic Christians, and are just frustrated with the politicization and over-monetization of all religion and the use of religion as an excuse to abuse and manipulate others.
To think you know who goes to heaven Is just one big misconception Like god hates fags and communism Create fear to feed the system... feed the system This is the problem. They only know the Jesus that CNN tells them. They put the most wretched vile examples of Christians on TV for unbelievers to hate. Lose our hearts and breed division Oh my god why can't we wake up... wake up 34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household. Real Christians have to sit back and watch while people drag our names through the mud.
I have always interpreted this song as the leaders of the world/powers that be, are always keen on using religion(Christianity) as a means to force or manipulate the people into giving them their life. I have never thought this song was a negative towards religion as there is a point where he said "And it's not alright" as far as "Selling Heaven".
The Song "Jenny" By Nothingmore is a far better Introduction to the band and the song has a powerful personal meaning behind it. You two would definitely like it.
This is one of my FAVORITE bands, and I'm so glad to see y'all react to it! I truly love y'all's content and I've been hoping to see y'all react to a Nothing More song for a while. I am a young Christ follower who is about to start highschool, and y'all's content encourages me to not be ashamed of my God!
Also this song isn’t a attack on religion by anything like that, similar to the MIW song from last week, lyrically the song is a message of how religion can be weaponized by the wrong hands. If that makes sense.
I agree with you Pringles…the singer (Johnny Hawkins) is a Christian who sees the world as it’s becoming…a dark and twisted place where God is being used in so many sac religious ways that this song is a warning to wake up and not listen to the political and bad religious leaders…and think more for ourselves on who we’re going to listen to instead of being machines…I heard Johnny talk about this song live at a festival last weekend and he said “this song is a warning. that we need to find the light in ourselves and be careful who we listen to so we don’t become machines.”
I believe what Hawkins is referring to in the quote about the truth is within us all isn’t about them having the truth and to listen to them, it may be that you can find your own truth without influence of others because you were given that ability
Listening to you read Jonny’s quote and hearing you say “he’s against people claiming they have the truth, while claiming he has the truth”. While this a totally understandable interpretation, and I genuinely see where you’re coming from… he never once claims he has the truth. This is usually where the disconnect lies between Christians and non-Christians! It’s mind-boggling to me when I hear friends or family say that I pretend I know the truth (my beliefs are nearly the same as his), while speaking against theirs. The thing is…I’m not. Its just that I’m secure in my not knowing. A lot of us non-Christians (not all, of course) never pretend we have a single clue what the answers are. We simply know right from wrong. In my experience, many Christians (not all) get upset and defensive when you state your beliefs- and it’s not because we’re questioning theirs we’re just speaking confidently about our own- because it makes them think about things that contradict their religion and, if truly considered in the absence of defensiveness and ego, would flip their world on its axis. Now on a more personal note, most of my experiences with Christians (having grown up as one in a Baptist church) have been made up of nothing but double standards, judgment, and people looking outwards rather than within. Of course, not all Christians!
They are NOT attacking Christianity. The band is Christian and are saying that the government has manipulated it out of what it should be. This is a message to listeners that the government or people in power don’t always have it right when it come to religion.
I’m a Christian, but this is one of my favorite bands. Jonny has a major problem with government(government overreach) and religion. His mom was a devout Christian and he feels like God abandoned her to suffer and die with cancer(see their song“God went North”) Jonny also went to healing revivals with her and he got a bad taste in his mouth from whoever the evangelist was. Plus, his mom gave a money to this evangelist. He believed it was all a big scam.
Pastor Rob, I would really appreciate clarification. I have always been confused about the finding the truth within argument. I think everyone interprets the bible from their own way and I think that is why there are many variations of religion. On a societal scale I think that our interpretation of politics and ethics aligns our personal views of the world. No 2 Christians think exactly alike because God crested them in his separate image. Their interpretation must be found within themselves using the senses that God has provided them with rather than living life a certain way because they are told to do so based on another person's perspective/interpretation. I really respect your perspective and I enjoy hearing your talking points. You have opened my mind to a lot of things on this channel and I really appreciate that. On an unrelated note Dayseeker - Hollow Shell is a very pro Christian song that I think you will love.
I would really like to hear your reaction on "Hey John, What's Your Name Again?" by The Devil Wears Prada. They were one of the first bands that got me into the Christian metalcore scene
Fun song. Obviously it starts sarcastically, but it keeps up with these commands like "create fear to feed the system", which it doesn't really make obviously clear, so I can't tell whose voice they're actually in. Is it intentionally confusing? To answer the main question, this kind of thing is why we can't wake up. Because this song is exactly like its bridge says: tuned into two stations simultaneously, trying to frantically convince itself it's not radio controlled. Though in my experience, this sort of interference usually means they must be going somewhere far away. Which station got louder with these guys, I wonder? Also, would they be okay not getting paid for their song, if they are so against copyright?
The quote by the band about the song was not hypocritical as you may think. They never intended it to be taken as "we are right you are wrong" they simply wanted to encourage people to think freely and decide for themselves how to live. Not to let leaders, be they religious or political, decide who you are and what you will become. The quote is showing that only you yourself know your truth, not others and they should not decide for you. It's a statement on the philosophy of Individualism. The song itself is more about people abusing religion for their own personal gain, Johnny, the lead singer and writer of the songs, grew up in a strict religious household and his mother died when he was still young and was very religious. They made a song thats for more supportive called God Went North, it is about how his mother who died of cancer and him comforting her and praying for God to end her suffering, thats right he prays. He's not a firm believer but even he prayed in that moment.
I think your first interpretation is right. The whole "They've got your Christ on copyright," would indicate an idea that "our Christ (interpretation) is the only correct one, we have the copyright." Then think of all the Olsteens of the world and you get to where they seem to be coming from. "They're selling Heaven tonight," seems to back up that angle, imo.
they aren't saying they are the ones with the truth. they are telling people to look for the truth themselves instead of having someone else give you their own version of the truth. (at least that's what i understand).
Pastor Rob may you react you Bad omens: Mercy? It’s another song with lyrics tied to questions about religion and I’d absolutely love to hear your thoughts on it. Here’s a segment from the song, in the second verse: “To a rat in a maze, the end is where the start begins But if we made it out, I know that we would do it all again We live and die in vain like treasure on a sinking ship All in the name of a God, we'd just abandon and forget”
The lead singer Jonny Hawkins grew up in a fundamentalist Christian household and left the faith. But he also seems to be anti-leftist which is not a combo you see too often. He is one of the few modern rockstars who is openly anti our current government. Anyway, that’s just some background. DEFINITELY you should check out “God Went North.” It’s about him being bedside at his dying mother’s deathbed, and watching her transition into the afterlife, and holding onto her faith as she does it, even though he doesn’t believe anymore. It’s a heart-breaking song, but amazing.
Yeah, back when I knew him, he was still a Christian. Their much older songs have a different tone to the lyrics. God Went North is a beautiful song and a tearjerker for me.
More Nothing More reactions would be fantastic! I'd recommend Jenny (incredibly raw and emotional), God Went North (interesting religious discussions to be had), or Fade In/Fade Out (a song about father/son relationship).
Thank you guys for reacting to this song. I love Nothing More for a few years now and I really wanted this breakdown of this song. Wish you guys would play some more from them. “God went north” is a good one!
You read into it wrong. What the lead singer was saying when he said the truth is within yourself, he’s not telling people to listen to what he has to say, he’s telling people not to take the word of what their government tells them and trust in themselves and be confident with themselves that everyone’s truth IS the truth. Whatever YOU believe in as an individual, no matter who you are, is the truth because we all have the right to think for ourselves.
Given Up by Linkin Park- I recently tried to kill myself and I am currently getting help but I found it hard to explain what I was feeling and I think this song does a good job of explaining it
Just to lead off, I'm not a shill for the band. I appreciate how you guys vibe with the creative aspects of the music... these guys obviously come from a certain walk of life... there's no way you can identify with what the singer is saying, hell I barely can! While I do believe in God and the afterlife, make no mistake none of us have any idea what comes after this life, regardless of the faith you have. I just wish people would stop judging each other by the way they live and the way they think they look to other people.
Great reaction as usual! I love the point you made about the contradiction he made in the quote, I've never thought about it that way whenever people say that. It actually made me think.
Hi guys, first off, I do understand why you may see this as primarily a condemnation of faith from yet another "edgy rock band," but wanted to give you some additional information. I use to be friendly with the guys, since my work in the music industry put me in their home area of San Antonio a lot, and I had a chance to actually discuss faith with Jonny at one point. The guys aren't really anti religion, so much as they are anti abuse of religion. Because there are unfortunately still some corrupt churches and preachers (and politicians) who take advantage of their congregation/ followers for the sake of attaching their own desires to a stronger cause, you wind up with plenty of people being led astray by a commercialized view of religion. This is largely why so many people now claim to dislike Christians, when in reality, they hate the hypocrisy of those who claim to be Christian, yet show opposite behavior, all the while acting like they have a monopolyon morals (or Copyright on Christ). At times you can see a lot of love and faith on display in NM's work, such as with "God Went North," a heartbreaking love letter about Jonny's mother, asking God to take her home and end her suffering. Also, in their cover of Paco Estrada's "Vesica Pisces," which is one of the most beautiful expressions of faith I've ever heard from a band, Mainstream or otherwise. I can't speak for the mindset of the guys today in 2022, but that's just my experience with them previously.
I love Nothing More! They’re one of my favourites and I’d love to see a reaction of their songs God Went North and Spirits…I think you guys would really enjoy them!
Hey pastor Rob I absolutely love your content I'm not a Christian myself but I really enjoy seeing your views on the songs and topics! I would really enjoy to see a reaction to the song ...and justice for all or Dyer's eve!
11:50 - Right on! It is a standard, it is not totally defined, there is so much unknown, and so many stories left out of the bible. With all that, Jesus is still the best moral compass to follow.
Once you know the back story of why that song was written, it makes so much more sense. Revivals headlined by popular evangelicals selling healing ultimately. The back story to this song is very important.
Honestly this album is like the greatest hard rock album EVER. It changed my life slowly. I wouldn’t say this song was the most impactful but songs like ocean floor, Jenny, friendly fire, God went north, and Especially the song “ill be ok” that song can’t be contented by anyone with a heart
Wow, you reacted to the song I wanted you to react to even though I didn't suggest it 😂. So glad you guys are back! Also I would love to see a reaction to Gemini Syndrome Basement if you guys ever get the time.
It’s about politicians using religion to force their agenda. Also the line “sign the bottom line” is a phrase synonymous with joining the military. Religious political people force over the top patriotism on their followers and serving your country is less of a choice and more of an obligation because of the societal norms in their community.
I think Popular Monster by Falling in Reverse would be good for you to react to. It deals with PTSD and depression and the loneliness. I do think giving a biblical perspective to the songs lyrics might be a good help.
I understand that, it is still a truth claim. They claim that truth is only found in yourself. Christians believe truth is found outside of ourselves in Jesus and in the Scriptures. So there’s a distinction of truth claims.
@Robert Houghton It's more of a call to action to think for yourself and not limit where you get your information that shapes your personal truth. In fact, questioning his potential claim to truth goes along with said call to action, so in a way, he was right.
As someone who grew up in a Cristian household I find it interesting that you would say that absolute truth can be defined in a book that has been rewritten several times. Faith is defined by the acceptance that there is no absolute truth.
You nailed it with your first comment about the lyrics. You missed the point and got a bit defensive toward the end. You read his quote and missed that he said "some" meaning the corrupt. By saying he is taking a jab at Christianity,(which is most used in politics in the US) you are saying that he stated that ALL christians are that way. Which is simply not true. It is more a jab at organized religion as a whole. About not telling ppl to sign up for your truth, stay faithful to the truth within you. Twist it how you want, but this is a spiritual band speaking their truth, either you resonate or you don't. It seems you liked their vibe, which wouldn't be a truth w/o how they are. Just like Lacey Sturm wouldn't be the amazing creature she is w/o her truth. Nice opinion tho! I was wondering if you would get it or not. It seemed your higher self did, then your opinion fell victim to your ego. You should listen to more, this band is awesome! Blessed be!
"Behold the Crown" or "Lost in the Static" by After the Burial (either will blow Pastor Rob’s mind) and "Deceiver" or "Out if Control" by The Ghost Inside
Lyrics read like a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity that is fair to the extent that you have only been exposed to certain Christians or certain ideals of what Christians believe. God's invitation is to all to repent and turn to him. Christians often expect the unregenerate to behave according to what the regenerated are called to through sanctification. That being said, the idea that we "know who goes to heaven" is a misconception is completely wrong. We are told in scripture that we will know who is a brother in Christ by their "fruits". Fruits are only made possible because you are connected to the vine. We are also told quite succinctly that a brother cannot live in sin, not that they cannot sin, but they cannot continue long in sin, they will feel guilt and seek repentance. If a person is in sin, but feels no shame or need for repentance, they are probably not regenerated. This is just what scripture says see Ephesians 5. But, remember, this is what Christians are called to, not those that have not accepted Christ.
The absolute craziest thing! So as I was commenting on your guys review of Moitionless in White when you released it. I said, hmm... As much as I loved metal and such I winder how come they don't cover some other rock with indictitive type titles despite lyrics being fairly clear? Just then One of my other favorites, Nothing More came on and it was Christ Copyright. I was like, yea, like THIS! Said I was going to suggest it but then assumed nah, they won't even see the comment so it'd be pointless. Fast forward a week or so and BOOM you're covering it. Crazy
Love nothing more! I also agree with your breakdown of the one of the songs I haven't included in my playlist for the reasons you stated. There's also far more music from them that you guys would appreciate. God Went North, Jenny, Who We Are, ect. Definitely one of my favorite vocalist sounds in the hard rock industry
I really like the fact that you pointed out that they are saying a similar version of the same thing that they are against. I love Nothing More, I will say it’s funny that they also claim to have the “truth.” But, in defense of the band and their statement, the idea of “truth” coming from within could also be a defense FOR everyday Christians (or whatever people believe), like us. It’s almost supportive-ish in a way. I don’t know. Anywho! Great video as always!
Nothing Mores new stuff, Spirits album needs to be visited. Would love to see what you guys think. I think Nothing More spiritual core has developed greatly since 14'
these social norms are outdated to be born again or follow blindly .its about following their own and to empower people to not be limited to a book that is like greek religon at this point.
Never heard of this group before, not really my style but I enjoyed your breakdown of the lyrics as always. And as always I have to request you two check out Bloody Angel by Avatar. Wish you both the best.
Infant annihilator- “behold the kingdom of the wretched undying” if there is one thing in this world I could get your feedback on, it is this song right here. I think you’ll have a lot to discuss on this one.
@@roberthoughton7127 it’s not as extreme as their other songs. Behold the kingdom of the wretched undying is probably the only song by them that I can sit through without getting so uncomfortable I have to turn it off
Hey just a heads up, he references god on a good bit of tracks on this album. Would be great if you guys jumped bk into this band and reacted with breakdowns of what you think he's talking about. Kinda curious myself even though I've listened to the album over and over again. Obviously fan of the band. Honestly appreciate the breakdowns that you guys do!
Nothing More always gives me a "people in power abuse the system to brain wash people" vibe especially in songs like this and Mr MTV which is a song you guys should do as well
I just came across Nothing More recently with their new release "Spirits". It is a pretty catchy tune so I looked into the band. Their website has a personality test based on the combination of the zodiac and current science research. Trippy...
It is clear so many people recommend songs in this vein to hear your interpretatuons, but also possibly shock and awe (not necessarily this one in particular). I do admit its interesting to hear your thoughts on songs that challenge Christianity in whatever form. However I do agree with Gages comments at the beginning that you become desensitized by it when it's done over and over again. For a change of pace I'd recommend a metal band that aligns with the Christian faith. I know you've done Demon Hunter previously, so I'd recommend Times of Grace, which is a subset of Killswitch Engage. I'd recommend the song Hymn of Broken Man or Willing. While I'm not a Christian I recognize the value of faith in something and just generally being a decent human being. Would be good to hear your thoughts on songs of that approach rather than just shock and awe. Nonetheless, great channel.and dialogue as always.
This song is basically saying that political parties try to copyright Christ to further their own agendas not caring at all about the real message of Christ. I don't see this as an attack on Christianity at all.
It's a little refreshing to see someone who accepts Christ who also rejects the abuse by the very institution that claims Him as well. I love Christ with all my heart and place value in the Truth in Him only, not in institutions and traditions of man. It hurts to see that all the world knows of Christ is what is being pushed out by these politicians and mega-church leaders that aren't in it for Him. People are rejecting Christ because of how these people are representing it and not because of what the Gospel preaches, which causes misunderstandings like the lyrics of this song. I LOVE Nothing More's music but I can't agree with their understanding. It's just frustrating being caught between both i guess
Really nice reaction! I really enjoy hearing your interpretations of the songs and their meaning a lot! I think you two should check out both Thrown Into The Fire and The Revanchist by Trivium at some point. Both songs are really good, and I would love to see what you make of them! Keep up with the great reactions, love watching them!
He is not claiming a monopoly on truth, saying the truth is within you means find your own truth and don’t listen to what others tells you is the truth.
Again, the statement "find your own truth" is a truth claim. It's saying that absolutes are false and relative truth is true. It's self defeating because it's an absolute statement and placing a "monopoly" on a specific truth, ie Relativism.
From the way my brother explained it to me, Nothing More started as a church band in the church that they all grew up in. At some point church leadership was ousted for being absurdly corrupt, and while their faith wasn’t necessarily diminished, organized religion left a bad taste in their mouths. Obviously, the line “god hates fags and communism,” is a direct bash on WBC, and a more wide bash on conservatives that misuse their religion for their political beliefs. I don’t know anyone from Nothing More personally, but my brothers who have used a lot of the same studios, producers, and agents, plus playing with Nothing More a plethora of times, make the band out to be entirely religious, yet vehemently anti organized religion. Idk I’ve never met anyone in the band. I ran into the bassist at top golf once (but didn’t want to bother him), and saw the band open for The Toadies at a free show during Fiesta. I think it was at NIOSA lol
Love Nothing More! Music and vocals are always on point! And their message is always well thought out. I like that they don't feel that they need to push a lot of vulgarity to get their thoughts across!
I always felt this was the “misuse of religion, by politicians” condemnation
That’s really what I get from this too.
It is that and a bit of the Catholic selling indulgences and pastors making a profit off of selling religion.
@@blodhthringa I’m right there with ya on your analysis. However, I also add the televangelists with this as well. Those who are literally trying to sell Christ.
@@blodhthringa pastor should be paid for their work just like everyone else. However the majority of pastors are poor
@@keith8913 oh for sure! They definitely should. Maybe I should saying getting rich off of religion.
Saw these guys open for Chevelle, crazy good live.
Always felt that this wasn’t a stab at Jesus, but at people who misuse his name for power or worldly gain.
I saw them with chevelle and disturbed!
This exactly. In that same album, they discuss how religion has affected family, but also how important it can be for finding purpose and value in life. The songs Jenny and God Went North are particularly noteworthy and are two of my favorite songs ever. They aren’t Christians, but I think they do respect authentic Christians, and are just frustrated with the politicization and over-monetization of all religion and the use of religion as an excuse to abuse and manipulate others.
To think you know who goes to heaven
Is just one big misconception
Like god hates fags and communism
Create fear to feed the system... feed the system
This is the problem. They only know the Jesus that CNN tells them. They put the most wretched vile examples of Christians on TV for unbelievers to hate.
Lose our hearts and breed division
Oh my god why can't we wake up... wake up
34 “Do not think that I have come to bring peace to the earth. I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law. 36 And a person's enemies will be those of his own household.
Real Christians have to sit back and watch while people drag our names through the mud.
Nothing more fade in fade out is my personal favorite and I think the 2 of you would enjoy it
I have always interpreted this song as the leaders of the world/powers that be, are always keen on using religion(Christianity) as a means to force or manipulate the people into giving them their life. I have never thought this song was a negative towards religion as there is a point where he said "And it's not alright" as far as "Selling Heaven".
I absolutely love Nothing More, they are one of my favorite bands.
You need to check out God Went North
I agree, definitely check out God Went North
I think their song God Went North would make a great reaction for you guys. I'd love to see your breakdown and response to it
I definitely 2nd that!
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Such a good song, but man is it hard for me to listen to.
For sure!
I agree I would love to see him react to this
The Song "Jenny" By Nothingmore is a far better Introduction to the band and the song has a powerful personal meaning behind it. You two would definitely like it.
Yes this. Also I'd love them to do God Went North
Jenny was the first NM song I heard from them. They play a lot of their stuff on Octane so I’m very familiar with them.
@@ShepardKammander God went north hits hard at the end
Yep
Also Fade In/Fade Out
That song is incredible.
This is one of my FAVORITE bands, and I'm so glad to see y'all react to it! I truly love y'all's content and I've been hoping to see y'all react to a Nothing More song for a while. I am a young Christ follower who is about to start highschool, and y'all's content encourages me to not be ashamed of my God!
Also this song isn’t a attack on religion by anything like that, similar to the MIW song from last week, lyrically the song is a message of how religion can be weaponized by the wrong hands. If that makes sense.
The singer's explanation says otherwise.
@@timdarnell7819 source?
@@UHAMUSIC the singer lol
@@timdarnell7819 fell it still goes both ways but I lean on the fact you got alot of false teachers out there
I agree with you Pringles…the singer (Johnny Hawkins) is a Christian who sees the world as it’s becoming…a dark and twisted place where God is being used in so many sac religious ways that this song is a warning to wake up and not listen to the political and bad religious leaders…and think more for ourselves on who we’re going to listen to instead of being machines…I heard Johnny talk about this song live at a festival last weekend and he said “this song is a warning. that we need to find the light in ourselves and be careful who we listen to so we don’t become machines.”
I believe what Hawkins is referring to in the quote about the truth is within us all isn’t about them having the truth and to listen to them, it may be that you can find your own truth without influence of others because you were given that ability
Listening to you read Jonny’s quote and hearing you say “he’s against people claiming they have the truth, while claiming he has the truth”. While this a totally understandable interpretation, and I genuinely see where you’re coming from… he never once claims he has the truth. This is usually where the disconnect lies between Christians and non-Christians! It’s mind-boggling to me when I hear friends or family say that I pretend I know the truth (my beliefs are nearly the same as his), while speaking against theirs. The thing is…I’m not. Its just that I’m secure in my not knowing. A lot of us non-Christians (not all, of course) never pretend we have a single clue what the answers are. We simply know right from wrong.
In my experience, many Christians (not all) get upset and defensive when you state your beliefs- and it’s not because we’re questioning theirs we’re just speaking confidently about our own- because it makes them think about things that contradict their religion and, if truly considered in the absence of defensiveness and ego, would flip their world on its axis.
Now on a more personal note, most of my experiences with Christians (having grown up as one in a Baptist church) have been made up of nothing but double standards, judgment, and people looking outwards rather than within. Of course, not all Christians!
I’ve seen them twice in concert. They put on one of the best shows I’ve ever seen! They are incredible.
Just saw them open for In This Moment and you are so right!!
@@danflak2370 I’ve seen in this moment about 4 or 5 times and they put on a great show too!!
They are NOT attacking Christianity. The band is Christian and are saying that the government has manipulated it out of what it should be. This is a message to listeners that the government or people in power don’t always have it right when it come to religion.
I’m a Christian, but this is one of my favorite bands. Jonny has a major problem with government(government overreach) and religion. His mom was a devout Christian and he feels like God abandoned her to suffer and die with cancer(see their song“God went North”) Jonny also went to healing revivals with her and he got a bad taste in his mouth from whoever the evangelist was. Plus, his mom gave a money to this evangelist. He believed it was all a big scam.
Love yall, love the videos! Glad to see you all back and extremely happy to things are getting better for your family! God bless you and your family!
Pastor Rob, I would really appreciate clarification. I have always been confused about the finding the truth within argument. I think everyone interprets the bible from their own way and I think that is why there are many variations of religion. On a societal scale I think that our interpretation of politics and ethics aligns our personal views of the world. No 2 Christians think exactly alike because God crested them in his separate image. Their interpretation must be found within themselves using the senses that God has provided them with rather than living life a certain way because they are told to do so based on another person's perspective/interpretation. I really respect your perspective and I enjoy hearing your talking points. You have opened my mind to a lot of things on this channel and I really appreciate that.
On an unrelated note Dayseeker - Hollow Shell is a very pro Christian song that I think you will love.
I would really like to hear your reaction on "Hey John, What's Your Name Again?" by The Devil Wears Prada. They were one of the first bands that got me into the Christian metalcore scene
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Fun song. Obviously it starts sarcastically, but it keeps up with these commands like "create fear to feed the system", which it doesn't really make obviously clear, so I can't tell whose voice they're actually in. Is it intentionally confusing? To answer the main question, this kind of thing is why we can't wake up. Because this song is exactly like its bridge says: tuned into two stations simultaneously, trying to frantically convince itself it's not radio controlled. Though in my experience, this sort of interference usually means they must be going somewhere far away. Which station got louder with these guys, I wonder? Also, would they be okay not getting paid for their song, if they are so against copyright?
The quote by the band about the song was not hypocritical as you may think. They never intended it to be taken as "we are right you are wrong" they simply wanted to encourage people to think freely and decide for themselves how to live. Not to let leaders, be they religious or political, decide who you are and what you will become. The quote is showing that only you yourself know your truth, not others and they should not decide for you. It's a statement on the philosophy of Individualism. The song itself is more about people abusing religion for their own personal gain, Johnny, the lead singer and writer of the songs, grew up in a strict religious household and his mother died when he was still young and was very religious. They made a song thats for more supportive called God Went North, it is about how his mother who died of cancer and him comforting her and praying for God to end her suffering, thats right he prays. He's not a firm believer but even he prayed in that moment.
I think your first interpretation is right. The whole "They've got your Christ on copyright," would indicate an idea that "our Christ (interpretation) is the only correct one, we have the copyright."
Then think of all the Olsteens of the world and you get to where they seem to be coming from. "They're selling Heaven tonight," seems to back up that angle, imo.
they aren't saying they are the ones with the truth. they are telling people to look for the truth themselves instead of having someone else give you their own version of the truth. (at least that's what i understand).
Pastor Rob may you react you Bad omens: Mercy? It’s another song with lyrics tied to questions about religion and I’d absolutely love to hear your thoughts on it. Here’s a segment from the song, in the second verse:
“To a rat in a maze, the end is where the start begins
But if we made it out, I know that we would do it all again
We live and die in vain like treasure on a sinking ship
All in the name of a God, we'd just abandon and forget”
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The lead singer Jonny Hawkins grew up in a fundamentalist Christian household and left the faith. But he also seems to be anti-leftist which is not a combo you see too often. He is one of the few modern rockstars who is openly anti our current government. Anyway, that’s just some background.
DEFINITELY you should check out “God Went North.” It’s about him being bedside at his dying mother’s deathbed, and watching her transition into the afterlife, and holding onto her faith as she does it, even though he doesn’t believe anymore. It’s a heart-breaking song, but amazing.
Yeah, back when I knew him, he was still a Christian. Their much older songs have a different tone to the lyrics.
God Went North is a beautiful song and a tearjerker for me.
More Nothing More reactions would be fantastic! I'd recommend Jenny (incredibly raw and emotional), God Went North (interesting religious discussions to be had), or Fade In/Fade Out (a song about father/son relationship).
Thank you guys for reacting to this song. I love Nothing More for a few years now and I really wanted this breakdown of this song. Wish you guys would play some more from them. “God went north” is a good one!
I think they’d love to react to God Went North or Spirits
This band has a very powerful song called fade in/fade out. It very well could put a tear in your eye.
You read into it wrong. What the lead singer was saying when he said the truth is within yourself, he’s not telling people to listen to what he has to say, he’s telling people not to take the word of what their government tells them and trust in themselves and be confident with themselves that everyone’s truth IS the truth. Whatever YOU believe in as an individual, no matter who you are, is the truth because we all have the right to think for ourselves.
Like others suggested if you dive down the nothing more hole “Jenny” “fade in fade out” and “god went north”
Given Up by Linkin Park- I recently tried to kill myself and I am currently getting help but I found it hard to explain what I was feeling and I think this song does a good job of explaining it
Just to lead off, I'm not a shill for the band. I appreciate how you guys vibe with the creative aspects of the music... these guys obviously come from a certain walk of life... there's no way you can identify with what the singer is saying, hell I barely can! While I do believe in God and the afterlife, make no mistake none of us have any idea what comes after this life, regardless of the faith you have. I just wish people would stop judging each other by the way they live and the way they think they look to other people.
Great reaction as usual! I love the point you made about the contradiction he made in the quote, I've never thought about it that way whenever people say that. It actually made me think.
Amen, Jesus is THE Way, THE Truth and THE Life!
Hi guys, first off, I do understand why you may see this as primarily a condemnation of faith from yet another "edgy rock band," but wanted to give you some additional information. I use to be friendly with the guys, since my work in the music industry put me in their home area of San Antonio a lot, and I had a chance to actually discuss faith with Jonny at one point. The guys aren't really anti religion, so much as they are anti abuse of religion. Because there are unfortunately still some corrupt churches and preachers (and politicians) who take advantage of their congregation/ followers for the sake of attaching their own desires to a stronger cause, you wind up with plenty of people being led astray by a commercialized view of religion. This is largely why so many people now claim to dislike Christians, when in reality, they hate the hypocrisy of those who claim to be Christian, yet show opposite behavior, all the while acting like they have a monopolyon morals (or Copyright on Christ). At times you can see a lot of love and faith on display in NM's work, such as with "God Went North," a heartbreaking love letter about Jonny's mother, asking God to take her home and end her suffering. Also, in their cover of Paco Estrada's "Vesica Pisces," which is one of the most beautiful expressions of faith I've ever heard from a band, Mainstream or otherwise. I can't speak for the mindset of the guys today in 2022, but that's just my experience with them previously.
Has anyone suggested Defense Mechanism by Demon Hunter yet?
I love Nothing More! They’re one of my favourites and I’d love to see a reaction of their songs God Went North and Spirits…I think you guys would really enjoy them!
You gotta check out some more of phinehas. I am the lion, fleshkiller, and eternally apart are all amazing songs by them
Hey pastor Rob I absolutely love your content I'm not a Christian myself but I really enjoy seeing your views on the songs and topics! I would really enjoy to see a reaction to the song ...and justice for all or Dyer's eve!
11:50 - Right on! It is a standard, it is not totally defined, there is so much unknown, and so many stories left out of the bible. With all that, Jesus is still the best moral compass to follow.
Once you know the back story of why that song was written, it makes so much more sense. Revivals headlined by popular evangelicals selling healing ultimately. The back story to this song is very important.
I think you guys should listen to God Went North. I would love to hear your thoughts.
Honestly this album is like the greatest hard rock album EVER. It changed my life slowly. I wouldn’t say this song was the most impactful but songs like ocean floor, Jenny, friendly fire, God went north, and Especially the song “ill be ok” that song can’t be contented by anyone with a heart
Wow, you reacted to the song I wanted you to react to even though I didn't suggest it 😂. So glad you guys are back! Also I would love to see a reaction to Gemini Syndrome Basement if you guys ever get the time.
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It’s about politicians using religion to force their agenda. Also the line “sign the bottom line” is a phrase synonymous with joining the military. Religious political people force over the top patriotism on their followers and serving your country is less of a choice and more of an obligation because of the societal norms in their community.
Please do their songs "Jenny" and "This is the Time."
It's about monetizing, commercializing, and politicizing Christ and taking the spirituality out, making Him a commodity for people to profit from.
I think Popular Monster by Falling in Reverse would be good for you to react to. It deals with PTSD and depression and the loneliness. I do think giving a biblical perspective to the songs lyrics might be a good help.
He wasn't saying "they don't have the truth, I have the truth. Listen to me." He was saying "listen to yourself"
I understand that, it is still a truth claim. They claim that truth is only found in yourself. Christians believe truth is found outside of ourselves in Jesus and in the Scriptures. So there’s a distinction of truth claims.
@Robert Houghton It's more of a call to action to think for yourself and not limit where you get your information that shapes your personal truth. In fact, questioning his potential claim to truth goes along with said call to action, so in a way, he was right.
Can yall do Nirvana- jesus don't want me for a sunbeam. Please
As someone who grew up in a Cristian household I find it interesting that you would say that absolute truth can be defined in a book that has been rewritten several times. Faith is defined by the acceptance that there is no absolute truth.
You nailed it with your first comment about the lyrics. You missed the point and got a bit defensive toward the end. You read his quote and missed that he said "some" meaning the corrupt. By saying he is taking a jab at Christianity,(which is most used in politics in the US) you are saying that he stated that ALL christians are that way. Which is simply not true. It is more a jab at organized religion as a whole. About not telling ppl to sign up for your truth, stay faithful to the truth within you. Twist it how you want, but this is a spiritual band speaking their truth, either you resonate or you don't. It seems you liked their vibe, which wouldn't be a truth w/o how they are. Just like Lacey Sturm wouldn't be the amazing creature she is w/o her truth. Nice opinion tho! I was wondering if you would get it or not. It seemed your higher self did, then your opinion fell victim to your ego. You should listen to more, this band is awesome! Blessed be!
I also have to say, you stated that truths change with time. The same can be said about the bible
we should hold religon accountable. and religon is a tool for love. not money for follow like sheep .
I love how they're kind of taking the piss out of themselves with a thumbnail it's great
Lol. Our thumbnails are always actual screen shots from the video rather than posing for the camera as some do. Makes it more authentic I think.
"Behold the Crown" or "Lost in the Static" by After the Burial (either will blow Pastor Rob’s mind) and "Deceiver" or "Out if Control" by The Ghost Inside
Where can I get that Jesus Wept tshirt at?
Vocals kind of reminded me of Coheed and Cambria.
Got some song suggestions for you guys!!
Phinehas - Eternally Apart
War of Ages - Final Act
Killswitch Engage - Reject Yourself
I don't know if they're religious, but they also have songs called God Went North and The Matthew Effect.
This is definitely where my age is showing, 70s, 80s, and even 90s rock will never be matched!👨🏻🦳🤘🏼
Still requesting Eulogy by TOOL for years,,, also I was wondering if you have any of your sermons streaming on another platform or channel??
Lyrics read like a fundamental misunderstanding of Christianity that is fair to the extent that you have only been exposed to certain Christians or certain ideals of what Christians believe. God's invitation is to all to repent and turn to him. Christians often expect the unregenerate to behave according to what the regenerated are called to through sanctification. That being said, the idea that we "know who goes to heaven" is a misconception is completely wrong. We are told in scripture that we will know who is a brother in Christ by their "fruits". Fruits are only made possible because you are connected to the vine. We are also told quite succinctly that a brother cannot live in sin, not that they cannot sin, but they cannot continue long in sin, they will feel guilt and seek repentance. If a person is in sin, but feels no shame or need for repentance, they are probably not regenerated. This is just what scripture says see Ephesians 5. But, remember, this is what Christians are called to, not those that have not accepted Christ.
The absolute craziest thing! So as I was commenting on your guys review of Moitionless in White when you released it. I said, hmm... As much as I loved metal and such I winder how come they don't cover some other rock with indictitive type titles despite lyrics being fairly clear?
Just then One of my other favorites, Nothing More came on and it was Christ Copyright. I was like, yea, like THIS! Said I was going to suggest it but then assumed nah, they won't even see the comment so it'd be pointless.
Fast forward a week or so and BOOM you're covering it. Crazy
Love nothing more! I also agree with your breakdown of the one of the songs I haven't included in my playlist for the reasons you stated. There's also far more music from them that you guys would appreciate. God Went North, Jenny, Who We Are, ect. Definitely one of my favorite vocalist sounds in the hard rock industry
Weird talking about 2014 like its ancient history, always appreciate your openness and discussion!
there is very truth in religon when it comes to these outdated rules.
You guys gotta do Fade In/Fade out , Mr MTV , Jenny and Go To War by Them.
Graces of the fathers: by cryptopsy
God Went North is a song that better gives a perspective into why exactly he feels the way he does about God. Highly recommend checking that one out
I really like the fact that you pointed out that they are saying a similar version of the same thing that they are against. I love Nothing More, I will say it’s funny that they also claim to have the “truth.” But, in defense of the band and their statement, the idea of “truth” coming from within could also be a defense FOR everyday Christians (or whatever people believe), like us. It’s almost supportive-ish in a way. I don’t know. Anywho! Great video as always!
Guys it would be awesome if you two would react to Joy Division! The lyrics are amazing, quite deep themes, profound lyrics.
Nothing Mores new stuff, Spirits album needs to be visited. Would love to see what you guys think. I think Nothing More spiritual core has developed greatly since 14'
Great reaction guys, I would love to see you guys break down Jenny by Nothing More, it is a totally different type of song
these social norms are outdated to be born again or follow blindly .its about following their own and to empower people to not be limited to a book that is like greek religon at this point.
That high register's are amazing! But well said Ptr.
Great vid as usual! You all should react to Not I by Demon Hunter! If you don't want to react to that song, any older Demon Hunter.
Nothing more - god went north is another good song to look check out.
Never heard of this group before, not really my style but I enjoyed your breakdown of the lyrics as always. And as always I have to request you two check out Bloody Angel by Avatar. Wish you both the best.
Dude heck yes they need to do avatar
Infant annihilator- “behold the kingdom of the wretched undying” if there is one thing in this world I could get your feedback on, it is this song right here. I think you’ll have a lot to discuss on this one.
Not sure I could handle another one of their songs.
@@roberthoughton7127 it’s not as extreme as their other songs. Behold the kingdom of the wretched undying is probably the only song by them that I can sit through without getting so uncomfortable I have to turn it off
Yes! Check their new stuff guys!
Hey just a heads up, he references god on a good bit of tracks on this album. Would be great if you guys jumped bk into this band and reacted with breakdowns of what you think he's talking about. Kinda curious myself even though I've listened to the album over and over again. Obviously fan of the band. Honestly appreciate the breakdowns that you guys do!
Definitely took this as a song thats not against Christianity, rather than against the ones who use Christianity for profit or personal gain.
Yes, God Went North. Do it!
Nothing More always gives me a "people in power abuse the system to brain wash people" vibe especially in songs like this and Mr MTV which is a song you guys should do as well
I just came across Nothing More recently with their new release "Spirits". It is a pretty catchy tune so I looked into the band. Their website has a personality test based on the combination of the zodiac and current science research. Trippy...
It is clear so many people recommend songs in this vein to hear your interpretatuons, but also possibly shock and awe (not necessarily this one in particular). I do admit its interesting to hear your thoughts on songs that challenge Christianity in whatever form. However I do agree with Gages comments at the beginning that you become desensitized by it when it's done over and over again.
For a change of pace I'd recommend a metal band that aligns with the Christian faith. I know you've done Demon Hunter previously, so I'd recommend Times of Grace, which is a subset of Killswitch Engage. I'd recommend the song Hymn of Broken Man or Willing. While I'm not a Christian I recognize the value of faith in something and just generally being a decent human being. Would be good to hear your thoughts on songs of that approach rather than just shock and awe. Nonetheless, great channel.and dialogue as always.
Maybe they weren't saying them specifically have the truth but that you must look within to find truth and not follow a leader blindly
By far my favorite band. Would love to see more reactions of them from you guys! 🙏
Having a monopoly on the truth is "illogical and Irrational" so you just explained the premise of your whole religion and the foundation of it.
This song is basically saying that political parties try to copyright Christ to further their own agendas not caring at all about the real message of Christ. I don't see this as an attack on Christianity at all.
Thats how he sounds in person. The exact same.
It's a little refreshing to see someone who accepts Christ who also rejects the abuse by the very institution that claims Him as well. I love Christ with all my heart and place value in the Truth in Him only, not in institutions and traditions of man. It hurts to see that all the world knows of Christ is what is being pushed out by these politicians and mega-church leaders that aren't in it for Him. People are rejecting Christ because of how these people are representing it and not because of what the Gospel preaches, which causes misunderstandings like the lyrics of this song. I LOVE Nothing More's music but I can't agree with their understanding. It's just frustrating being caught between both i guess
Guy I really really hope you guys could look up nothing mores fade in/fade out.. I guarantee it would bring tears to your eyes
Really nice reaction! I really enjoy hearing your interpretations of the songs and their meaning a lot!
I think you two should check out both Thrown Into The Fire and The Revanchist by Trivium at some point. Both songs are really good, and I would love to see what you make of them!
Keep up with the great reactions, love watching them!
Architects - gone with the wind. Written by their guitarist that died of cancer. Or their song... Nihilist
House of Sand- Nothing More
I got you guys.
Trust Me!!!
God Went North and Jenny are two songs of them that I’d love to see you react to.
He is not claiming a monopoly on truth, saying the truth is within you means find your own truth and don’t listen to what others tells you is the truth.
Again, the statement "find your own truth" is a truth claim. It's saying that absolutes are false and relative truth is true. It's self defeating because it's an absolute statement and placing a "monopoly" on a specific truth, ie Relativism.
@@roberthoughton7127 I see what your saying, I thought about it after I made the comment and you have a valid point.
Can you listen to demolisher by slaughter to prevail. It's one of my favorites.
From the way my brother explained it to me, Nothing More started as a church band in the church that they all grew up in. At some point church leadership was ousted for being absurdly corrupt, and while their faith wasn’t necessarily diminished, organized religion left a bad taste in their mouths. Obviously, the line “god hates fags and communism,” is a direct bash on WBC, and a more wide bash on conservatives that misuse their religion for their political beliefs. I don’t know anyone from Nothing More personally, but my brothers who have used a lot of the same studios, producers, and agents, plus playing with Nothing More a plethora of times, make the band out to be entirely religious, yet vehemently anti organized religion.
Idk I’ve never met anyone in the band. I ran into the bassist at top golf once (but didn’t want to bother him), and saw the band open for The Toadies at a free show during Fiesta. I think it was at NIOSA lol
As someone who’s faith was shook entirely by a single traumatic moment, thank you for the content and the insight you shared
LOVE nothing more and this song. Excited to hear your thoughts
Love Nothing More! Music and vocals are always on point! And their message is always well thought out. I like that they don't feel that they need to push a lot of vulgarity to get their thoughts across!