Great video Mikey! It is a topic that comes back in every IRATA training I teach. Experienced techs L2/L3 tie the tensioned line off directly. Because petzl says so......... Do you have any new video's in the works?
The slack rope (after tying the fig 8 or 9) may still be used (depending on system orientation and where the knot is anchored) - for example to ascend to the device.
@@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380 Disagree so do IRATA assessor, unless he has changed his mind since i talked to him few years ago. (note: assessors are not always 100% right :)
And can tell you…. When I attending my Instructor/Assessor work shops. This very topic came up and it was very clear you couldn’t run your tension lines and your access lines off the same sling.
@@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380 Interesting. If it was very clear, must be some very reasonable explanation, calculation, logic, manufacture recommendations then?
Mikey, have you heard about the Aerial Rescue Challenge coming up on Sep 10,11,and 12th by Bellingham, Washington state? It's gonna be a huge training and comp. Double rope system, ASAP Lock etc.. And, I found the Taz 3 in Colorado and Canada. Jim
I tie off the system with a munter mule overhand . So in the case of a failed system you have the option to use the munter to lower. What's are your thoughts on that?
With that knot, a bigger issue is, since you'd be loading the descender, you'd have to open the gate of a loaded biner. Surely that is a much scarier issue. I tend to have an alpine above the descender clipped into the anchor with a little slack Incase the descender fails, that way the line doesn't just plummet, it's more piece of mind than anything out though.
" you'd have to open the gate of a loaded biner. Surely that is a much scarier issue" - Nothing scary about that :) . But highly not recommended in oil and gas "throw under the bus " rope access industry :)
@@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380 with an ID it's less of a concern, it's inherited from rig to lower using munter and munter Mule's where it's a little bit more sketch, or figure 8 decendeds with tie offs from back when I climbed and rigged trees for fun and had a tight budget.
@@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380 I just saw a Taz video and he has a whole bunch of videos about this descender. I really think this item is the ticket for climbing straight up rope fast!! I saw a demo of it, and it was awesome. I want one. Jim.
The person put the rope in the I.D carabiner.and not the anchor carabiner thank you so much for your information bro you teach me so much
Great video Mikey! It is a topic that comes back in every IRATA training I teach. Experienced techs L2/L3 tie the tensioned line off directly. Because petzl says so.........
Do you have any new video's in the works?
The slack rope (after tying the fig 8 or 9) may still be used (depending on system orientation and where the knot is anchored) - for example to ascend to the device.
In order yo do that. It MUST have its own Anchor sling/bolt what have you.
You can NOT attach it back to the same anchor point
@@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380 Disagree so do IRATA assessor, unless he has changed his mind since i talked to him few years ago. (note: assessors are not always 100% right :)
And can tell you…. When I attending my Instructor/Assessor work shops.
This very topic came up and it was very clear you couldn’t run your tension lines and your access lines off the same sling.
@@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380 Interesting. If it was very clear, must be some very reasonable explanation, calculation, logic, manufacture recommendations then?
When you go to petzl website on the I'd information you can see that they connect the carabiner to the anchor one
Hello can you use the petzel id as a sport climbing belay device like the grigri ?
Mikey, have you heard about the Aerial Rescue Challenge coming up on Sep 10,11,and 12th by Bellingham, Washington state? It's gonna be a huge training and comp. Double rope system, ASAP Lock etc.. And, I found the Taz 3 in Colorado and Canada. Jim
I havent heard of it. Humm. Ill have to check it out
I tie off the system with a munter mule overhand . So in the case of a failed system you have the option to use the munter to lower. What's are your thoughts on that?
Hey there,
Thank you for your comment.
I would have to say it would be uncalled for. But its not wrong…
With that knot, a bigger issue is, since you'd be loading the descender, you'd have to open the gate of a loaded biner. Surely that is a much scarier issue.
I tend to have an alpine above the descender clipped into the anchor with a little slack Incase the descender fails, that way the line doesn't just plummet, it's more piece of mind than anything out though.
" you'd have to open the gate of a loaded biner. Surely that is a much scarier issue" - Nothing scary about that :) . But highly not recommended in oil and gas "throw under the bus " rope access industry :)
The deceive will bot just blow apart. So you dont have to worry about that.
But yes, opening a loaded carabineer to release the line isnt acceptable.
@@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380 with an ID it's less of a concern, it's inherited from rig to lower using munter and munter Mule's where it's a little bit more sketch, or figure 8 decendeds with tie offs from back when I climbed and rigged trees for fun and had a tight budget.
Opening a loaded carabiner is a no-no, why would you do that? Just clip the rope back with another carabiner, Jim.
Right!
Hello Mikey, where can I buy the Taz Lov 3 ? I'm in the US, Jim.
Thats a great question. Im looking to get my hands on one myself.
@@theropeaccessandclimbingpo2380 I just saw a Taz video and he has a whole bunch of videos about this descender. I really think this item is the ticket for climbing straight up rope fast!! I saw a demo of it, and it was awesome. I want one. Jim.