Wow, going all in onto bug without even needing the trotter damage OR the vulnerability stacks is wild beyond my imagination. I'm ashamed to admit my Feixiao x E1 Jade is not good enough to 3-man that half, I'm missing about at least 1 Feixiao ult, 2 Jade FUA and possibly a couple stacks of Vuln.
It is what it is. I think 3 man teams are just pretty rough because you're limited by the number of actions, something which True Sting very very greatly incentivizes
Also, I forgot to add, I too was surprised that this team had enough dmg. It's closer to 4.2M effective HP if it were wind weak. I believe the wind set rotation (with FX and Bronya both on it) has a higher ceiling than this lineup by squeezing one additional set of turns at the end of wave 2. But I don't have access to it so oh well
@EiDehGaming Eagle set FTW! I didn't think it was possible to have an even higher ceiling than that, considering how much damage you needed to so-called "waste" in wave 1 already lol I do appreciate the kind words too, I just wanted to try this out since it was seemingly possible, but I am now stuck in that weird spot between enough damage substats, enough defensive substats and enough speed substats lol. I should probably try to write out the math like you do to see if this is even theoretically possible at this point.
@@notsawaLuna 😂 Some viewers (not you) occasionally wonder why I bother to do Math when playing this game. The truth is that it's often much faster to verify if some things are possible by doing a few calculations than trying over and over again without every truly knowing if it's impossible or if we're just unlucky. All the best!
EIDeh: March will die with 2 stacks of wind shear Robin: RENEW YOUR DEFINITIONNNN!!!! I don't have Robin but it's so funny seeing her teammates on the edge while she sings lol.
Thanks a lot for the video! Coming here because I want to learn how to use Feixiao team in the 2nd node since I'm struggling to did it under 10 cycles even with FF team in the 1st node and yet you did it with 0 cycles on both nodes, that's really amazing!
Great runs! I also ended up using Feixiao against True Sting. My attempts with SB so far failed due to only having S1 DDD, despite having E2 Firefly. I've also tried Rappa and ran into the same problem. Hopefully there are solutions I just haven't found, it'd be a bummer if SB 0 cycles are locked behind S5 DDD. I'm also with you regarding Jingliu and Seele, I have both but haven't used them in MOC for a long time. Feels like E1 Jingliu is the bare minimum for 0 cycles, while Seele needs support eidolons. Now I'm just aiming for chars who can last long without needing ridiculous investments to keep up, here's hoping smug Herta is one.
Rip I think almost all stronger superbreak setups require S5 DDD. Rappa's 6-turn setup on wave 2 needs both her LC and S5 DDD. And Firefly's 4-turn setup needs it too though her 3-turn setup is still passable on side 1. I feel like there's a very delicate balance. I actually don't really like MOC lineups that are so easy that all people are doing are finding ways to reduce their dmg like no relics, no LCs and so on. But in some sense, this also comes directly into conflict with my desire to just showcase as many characters as possible. It is what it is I guess.
@EiDehGaming Oh I definitely agree, lineups that pose no challenge aren't much fun. After all, challenge is what I seek in games. I do hope they'll find the right balance in both char power levels and endgame content, without leaving behind older units so quickly that their only option are support eidolons.
I have S2 DDD and did 0 cycle on true sting with E2 FF (but E1 FUGUE). I made a video, hope it helps, there is an explanation of the rotation in the comments if you might need
thanks to you i managed to 0 cycle firefly's half too, yeah slow ruan mei is better in this case. Although my firefly is E3S1 though, but without slow ruan mei and fugue buff, my fify takes 4 cycle to clear svarog
Hey, love the stuff ur doing, i am wondering how u come up with these strategies? How many tests did u go through? Definitely looks like hard work. Also thankyou for making these videos they help out a heck tone 🙇♂️🙇♂️
I just kind of feel them out. Once you've played enough and optimized around enough, they come quite naturally. There's not too many independent patterns for 0-cycles. Though of course some do take outside inspiration, like the 2nd side strat is an adaptation of Herrscher of Sentience's Feixiao 10-turn Eagle strat. This one doesn't use Eagle and achieves one of the two things in that run which is the Robin ult at the start of wave 2. I also generally like to test out what lineups are capable of and account for overkill damage and the like which was why I knew both Rappa and Firefly could 0-cycle side 1 just by looking at the lineup and accounting for their performance last MOC against a similar lineup. Having said that, RMC is causing me quite a bit of pain trying to use her because everything about her feels quite unnatural for me 😂
Nice clears! I actually ended up with the same teams, albeit my Firefly is E2, which takes all thinking or planning out of first side lol. First wave for second half was similar, but I ended up with a slightly different wave 2 rotation which involved ending P1 on a March EBA turn and killing off the adds and trotters before the second robin ult for the true dmg and vuln. My Fei was able to nuke the boss down from that point with 2x ult. probably hard carried by e1 robin though, because of the boss wind res (especially so bc my feixiao is lacking sig lol). Was a bit awkward without Robin signature for the energy, but eventually she took enough hits and stole enough kills for a run to line up.
The swarm spawning change is I swear an AI change to favor erudition specifically with Herta’s release, but I’m all for it I think it favors every kind of team. Good runs though, I swear that feixiao setup is the current ceiling of single target for the game. It’s the exact setup I used to clear the TV boss (and everything since, it’s just so good), with one more rotation of feixiao march bronya with the advance tv. I’m not even sure if eagle to get one more rotation is more damage now that you’d be losing out on valorous and also sacerdos. Just barely executed a ratio clear of the second half, main rng was robin getting enough energy and everyone surviving but I got lucky and got good hit rng pretty early. Not worth it to go for definitely but I wanted to give my boy a chance, especially with how much Sunday does for him. Rappa clear was pretty easy to find, and the Acheron one I can’t kill wave one in 1 ult like always so it’s dead. Closer and closer to Herta release. Like your rutilant, I can redeem this izumo ice orb I’ve had for too long as well, but I’ve just now realized that RMC gives 10 crit rate and now my build is over capped by 10 crate…keep trying ig. Just a week away.
@@kamiiv9864 wow OK so the ratio run is possible. I've been thinking about it and the damage required for a bit and it's close but potentially possible for me. Good point about eagle feixiao, it is quite a lot of buffs. And the last set of turns also isn't free as we'll need to tank another wave of attacks. I'm really looking forward to 3.0 and the new dps chars. Also more that you mention it, maybe the first thing I craft should be the izumo ice orb after all...
Amazing clear! My capability of clearing MoC with full stars as an F2P is starting to wane, barely managed to clear this season... Took exactly 10 cycles, with an even 5 cycle split between both sides. On 1st side I ran s1 Acheron + s1 Kafka and s0 Black Swan duo in MoC for the first time (usually used for PF due to AoE coverage), all three sustained by an s1 Huohuo. I ususally run Acheron with Silver Wolf and Pela but for the sake of squeezing most damage out of the trotters I went with the DOT duo (I am Jiaoqiu-less 💀). Had to redo the side a couple of times to leave enough cycles for the 2nd half because Svarog kept action-delaying the team into oblivion and taking one cycle more to finish. 2nd half I ran Rappa with Ruan Mei, HMC and Gallagher. All is well with the clear, although I had to redo a couple of times as well because of how squishy Rappa is, she simply died to wind shear before Gallagher could cleance her. I heard people manage to clear this side with Rappa in 3 cycles or less, but mine is s0 and it doesn't look like I'll be able to get Fugue, so let's hope all of this pity acquired on her banner will go to Madame Herta.
@olddesert4497 being jq less is rough with Acheron. Though I do wonder if a standard Acheron team might still perform better than dotcheron since there's no immediate rush in killing the trotters. Your Rappa performance without Fugue sounds about right. I think it's better to think of this MOC as one that generally inflates clear times but may not be strictly harder to clear in 10 cycles in the absolute sense. All the best for your herta rolls
@EiDehGaming Classic Acheron team struggled precisely because I don't have Jiaoqiu. Both Pela and Silver Wolf need their turns to get Acheron her stacks, them getting action-delayed by Svarog means they can't basic/skill her a stack or earn energy for an ultimate in time. DoTcheron somewhat solved that issue for me because because the DoT duo a) had higher speed stats (particularly Kafka with her s1) b) was able to passively earn energy from killing trotters c) had Kafka's FUA to contribute an extra Acheron ult stack
8:53 im pretty sure if you held on to march’s ult and used it later to proc feixiao’s talent then you’d have enough stacks to get both of her ults no? (well you still did it so ehhhh)
You're right. Didn't think of that. It's just that only other time I got this far in a one-sided test run, I didn't have to advance M7, so I had way more than enough stacks. Here, I didn't actually realize I would not have enough stacks until Feixiao's last turn started.
Me: *satisfied that my basic DHIL team could 3 cycle the swarm* Eideh: *kills the first phase before the swarm even takes a turn, off-element* Jokes aside, I'm actually impressed by how you ignored vulnerability. Ah well, this buff is very aoe centered. I'll try a swarm run with Argenti just to see how he fares with this buff. But my first Feixiao run was worrying, since I usually 0 to 1 cycle with Aven on the team as long as it's wind weak...the HP bloating man. In tandem with the aoe centered buff, I don't think it's possible with a sustain this time haha. For a chill clear, I found Acheron to be more comfortable this time, despite her annoying overkill. It felt bad using March to kill the trotters. Didn't realize the first wave of side 2 had been (relatively) spared of the HP buff, that's interesting! And I don't dislike the AI change in a vacuum, though it really helps AOE clears, I don't feel like it hinders ST clears (but maybe I'm wrong).Well, I will come to dislike it if they use that as an excuse to bloat the HP even more, but they're going to do that anyway haha.
e0s0 firefly, e1s0 fugue,e0s0 ruanmei, and HMC manage to 1 cycle the 1st half. with herta store and 4* lc, i just need few more action to 0 cycle not sure how. maybe both DDD on ruanmei and hmc, or stack BE on ruanmei for extra dmg.
man the previous moc svarog only needed one fugue ult to reduce the toughness for firefly to break and now, tb's skill is needed, I wonder how long can e0 ff sb 0 cycle lasts, feels like the only way to break the ceiling now is through eidolons
@@gladysdatita2736 it has been the case for a long time that there arent too many meaningful and interesting 'tech' you can pull off with ff and her superbreak core. Fugue was a nice solution for a 4th sustainless slot but the same problems still exist so depending on the direction moc goes, it may be the case. Though note that firefly has always been bad against 2 phase bosses (that isn't choir) for 0 cycles so just changing the type of enemy encounter will be enough.
finally a good 0 cycle run, not like those other 0 cyclist that says they cleared it with e0s1 but the supports are highly invested. i rlly dont like their fraud showcases
There's 0 cycle E2 DHIL on youtube but im not sure if there's E0 0 cycle. I have E1 and managed to 3 cycles but i feel like with better relics i could go for 2 cycles (still far from 0 cycle tho)
Still not sure if I can 0-cycle this with Firefly. Well, Fugue came home early, thankfully. But I only have both of them E0S0. I really need more Eagle pieces. I don't think I can do a full 0-cycle clear on this cycle. Only a partial one on the second side with Feixiao and Ratio, maybe. Herta and RMC are coming next patch though with this same MoC cycle still present, I wonder what you will cook with Herta and RMC.
I probably must've missed it in one of the videos but is Topaz actually bad for 0-cycles, at least at E0S1? I don't recall seeing even one video with her
Ye she's bad, copers with their "FART" team don't realize it's actually a fart team March gives more stacks and deals more dmg than topaz in the bronya march robin team
She has been featured a number of times. I used her in my 2.5 full 0-cycle against Hoolay together with Feixiao and also did one with Sunday and Feixiao against last MOC's Svarog. Topaz dmg amp is a lot stronger than M7, like it's not particularly close. She does provide less stacks, but will generally be able to 0-cycle with a 1/4 ult split on wave 1/2. The problem with the team is that it backloads the dmg because they need the full 150 AV to recover all 4 ults on wave 2, which can be problematic against some enemy lineups as the team is quite squishy. There's also almost no breaking potential on wave 1 so we have to tank all the damage. This hunt7 lineup is just a lot safer in general. Edit: Somehow I forgot to add the most annoying part for 0-cycles which is the start-of-wave proof of debt targets which are RNG. Many runs live or die by this because there isn't SP to go around to switch targets. So It's something I'd rather not have to deal with unless it's trivial to overcome or I just really want to showcase her.
RNG, both for her damage and vulnerability, which can screw your run over every time you kill an enemy or start a wave, especially in this MoC with trotters. March 7th is less potential damage, but her buff is active for every opponent, her damage is not RNG, and vs these opponents she contributes breaks as well.
@@Gasterus69 typical Topaz slander All the excuses to merely justify not pulling for her and cope with doomposting instead. Funny enough she's a 1.x unit that still holds her ground up to this day along with Ruan Mei.
Probably the last time E0 Fify (with E0 supports) is gonna 0 cycle Moc...(i hope my previous sentence ages like milk) You've done well queen, time for your well deserved rest. You've been a great unit
Do you see any 0 cicle potential with a Fugue/Acheron team? I've tested her with Lingsha in a Acheron team and she is a great stacks generator, but I dunno without a sustain, maybe E4 Bronya? What do you think?
It's definitely not very good in sustainless runs. E4 bronya and RM are probably the only harmonies you can try to run with that actually attack with any kind of frequency. Her dmg amp is also considerably lower than Pela since most of it is in the exo toughness + superbreak and it's not easy to break with the team.
@@EiDehGaming I've test out the tech on my acc. The only thing I'm missing rn is s5 DDD. Mine is at s1. Otherwise I feel like it's possible. Regardless, the tech is really nice.
No changes. But you can even drop SPD boots on Feixiao to ATK boots and get a few SPD substats and this same rotation should still work and it'll be way stronger than this variant.
@@EiDehGamingthough, I suppose I have to attempt it first. My builds currently do not match yours by a lot, actually. And I do not have many vonwaqs or limited lcs spare lying around. E3S5 DDD Bronya is at 161~ spd E0S1 Blissful Feixiao at a final 163~ spd E6S1 Sleep March Hunt at a final 162~ spd E0S0 Robin, standard vonwaq 125 spd and 4,1k atk Only robin has vonwaq as of rn. So if I were to farm it I’d be a-ok if it really was necessary. luckily Talia has real units who use it like my Rappa when I do come around to farm it. Hear back from me in a couple of days haha!
I think rutilant has only been featured once on this channel because I have a good physical orb. I think that gives an idea. And it's also not for the lack of farming. I'm just cursed forever. And to add insult to injury, i have multiple of every other double crit rope except atk amongst my rutilant pieces
Can be faster but probably not slower. Also note the decimal point. 146.5 is close to the slowest Feixiao can be and requires Bronya to be as close to 158.3 as possible
No. In fact, you can probably drop SPD boots on Feixiao and run ATK boots and the same rotation will work much better. I believe you may need 1 or 2 more SPD substats after dropping it though.
and people say there is hp inflation in HSR but they forgot that there is a trotter to offset that high HP BECAUSE THAT IS THE MECHANIC OF THIS SEASON MOC for god sake they INTENTIONALLY make it high HP BECAUSE THERE IS 2 TROTTER THAT SPAWN CONSTANTLY TO OFFSET THE HP
192 spd fugue💀
It's pretty much possible tbh my friend had like 198 speed on Fugue 😅
It looks overwhelming but fugue naturally has a high base spd so it's just as hard as building a 160 spd ruan mei
Hehe roll better, that being said I only have 170 just need 22 more. It's easy with 2pc kalpagni
Fugue gets 14 speed from traces
why fugue needs to be built
fast?
Wow, going all in onto bug without even needing the trotter damage OR the vulnerability stacks is wild beyond my imagination. I'm ashamed to admit my Feixiao x E1 Jade is not good enough to 3-man that half, I'm missing about at least 1 Feixiao ult, 2 Jade FUA and possibly a couple stacks of Vuln.
It is what it is. I think 3 man teams are just pretty rough because you're limited by the number of actions, something which True Sting very very greatly incentivizes
Also, I forgot to add, I too was surprised that this team had enough dmg. It's closer to 4.2M effective HP if it were wind weak. I believe the wind set rotation (with FX and Bronya both on it) has a higher ceiling than this lineup by squeezing one additional set of turns at the end of wave 2. But I don't have access to it so oh well
@EiDehGaming Eagle set FTW! I didn't think it was possible to have an even higher ceiling than that, considering how much damage you needed to so-called "waste" in wave 1 already lol
I do appreciate the kind words too, I just wanted to try this out since it was seemingly possible, but I am now stuck in that weird spot between enough damage substats, enough defensive substats and enough speed substats lol. I should probably try to write out the math like you do to see if this is even theoretically possible at this point.
@@notsawaLuna 😂 Some viewers (not you) occasionally wonder why I bother to do Math when playing this game. The truth is that it's often much faster to verify if some things are possible by doing a few calculations than trying over and over again without every truly knowing if it's impossible or if we're just unlucky. All the best!
@@EiDehGaminghow does one calc full team performance
EIDeh: March will die with 2 stacks of wind shear
Robin: RENEW YOUR DEFINITIONNNN!!!!
I don't have Robin but it's so funny seeing her teammates on the edge while she sings lol.
Thanks a lot for the video! Coming here because I want to learn how to use Feixiao team in the 2nd node since I'm struggling to did it under 10 cycles even with FF team in the 1st node and yet you did it with 0 cycles on both nodes, that's really amazing!
Great runs! I also ended up using Feixiao against True Sting. My attempts with SB so far failed due to only having S1 DDD, despite having E2 Firefly. I've also tried Rappa and ran into the same problem. Hopefully there are solutions I just haven't found, it'd be a bummer if SB 0 cycles are locked behind S5 DDD.
I'm also with you regarding Jingliu and Seele, I have both but haven't used them in MOC for a long time. Feels like E1 Jingliu is the bare minimum for 0 cycles, while Seele needs support eidolons. Now I'm just aiming for chars who can last long without needing ridiculous investments to keep up, here's hoping smug Herta is one.
Rip I think almost all stronger superbreak setups require S5 DDD. Rappa's 6-turn setup on wave 2 needs both her LC and S5 DDD. And Firefly's 4-turn setup needs it too though her 3-turn setup is still passable on side 1. I feel like there's a very delicate balance. I actually don't really like MOC lineups that are so easy that all people are doing are finding ways to reduce their dmg like no relics, no LCs and so on. But in some sense, this also comes directly into conflict with my desire to just showcase as many characters as possible. It is what it is I guess.
@EiDehGaming Oh I definitely agree, lineups that pose no challenge aren't much fun. After all, challenge is what I seek in games. I do hope they'll find the right balance in both char power levels and endgame content, without leaving behind older units so quickly that their only option are support eidolons.
I have S2 DDD and did 0 cycle on true sting with E2 FF (but E1 FUGUE). I made a video, hope it helps, there is an explanation of the rotation in the comments if you might need
@@SAM.Type-IV I appreciate it, but my Fugue is E0 so it probably won't work for me 😅
thanks to you i managed to 0 cycle firefly's half too, yeah slow ruan mei is better in this case. Although my firefly is E3S1 though, but without slow ruan mei and fugue buff, my fify takes 4 cycle to clear svarog
Hey, love the stuff ur doing, i am wondering how u come up with these strategies? How many tests did u go through? Definitely looks like hard work.
Also thankyou for making these videos they help out a heck tone 🙇♂️🙇♂️
I just kind of feel them out. Once you've played enough and optimized around enough, they come quite naturally. There's not too many independent patterns for 0-cycles. Though of course some do take outside inspiration, like the 2nd side strat is an adaptation of Herrscher of Sentience's Feixiao 10-turn Eagle strat. This one doesn't use Eagle and achieves one of the two things in that run which is the Robin ult at the start of wave 2. I also generally like to test out what lineups are capable of and account for overkill damage and the like which was why I knew both Rappa and Firefly could 0-cycle side 1 just by looking at the lineup and accounting for their performance last MOC against a similar lineup.
Having said that, RMC is causing me quite a bit of pain trying to use her because everything about her feels quite unnatural for me 😂
impressive performance from Feixiao team
Nice clears! I actually ended up with the same teams, albeit my Firefly is E2, which takes all thinking or planning out of first side lol. First wave for second half was similar, but I ended up with a slightly different wave 2 rotation which involved ending P1 on a March EBA turn and killing off the adds and trotters before the second robin ult for the true dmg and vuln. My Fei was able to nuke the boss down from that point with 2x ult. probably hard carried by e1 robin though, because of the boss wind res (especially so bc my feixiao is lacking sig lol). Was a bit awkward without Robin signature for the energy, but eventually she took enough hits and stole enough kills for a run to line up.
Nice! Yeah Robin's sig is pretty impactful in these though Bronya's sig is a decent ERR substitute. Either way, nice to hear you managed the 0-cycle.
The swarm spawning change is I swear an AI change to favor erudition specifically with Herta’s release, but I’m all for it I think it favors every kind of team. Good runs though, I swear that feixiao setup is the current ceiling of single target for the game. It’s the exact setup I used to clear the TV boss (and everything since, it’s just so good), with one more rotation of feixiao march bronya with the advance tv. I’m not even sure if eagle to get one more rotation is more damage now that you’d be losing out on valorous and also sacerdos. Just barely executed a ratio clear of the second half, main rng was robin getting enough energy and everyone surviving but I got lucky and got good hit rng pretty early. Not worth it to go for definitely but I wanted to give my boy a chance, especially with how much Sunday does for him. Rappa clear was pretty easy to find, and the Acheron one I can’t kill wave one in 1 ult like always so it’s dead.
Closer and closer to Herta release. Like your rutilant, I can redeem this izumo ice orb I’ve had for too long as well, but I’ve just now realized that RMC gives 10 crit rate and now my build is over capped by 10 crate…keep trying ig. Just a week away.
@@kamiiv9864 wow OK so the ratio run is possible. I've been thinking about it and the damage required for a bit and it's close but potentially possible for me.
Good point about eagle feixiao, it is quite a lot of buffs. And the last set of turns also isn't free as we'll need to tank another wave of attacks.
I'm really looking forward to 3.0 and the new dps chars. Also more that you mention it, maybe the first thing I craft should be the izumo ice orb after all...
@ yea I used topaz lc on ratio as I don’t have his sig so damage is definitely there, just insane hit rng for surviving
Amazing clear!
My capability of clearing MoC with full stars as an F2P is starting to wane, barely managed to clear this season...
Took exactly 10 cycles, with an even 5 cycle split between both sides.
On 1st side I ran s1 Acheron + s1 Kafka and s0 Black Swan duo in MoC for the first time (usually used for PF due to AoE coverage), all three sustained by an s1 Huohuo. I ususally run Acheron with Silver Wolf and Pela but for the sake of squeezing most damage out of the trotters I went with the DOT duo (I am Jiaoqiu-less 💀). Had to redo the side a couple of times to leave enough cycles for the 2nd half because Svarog kept action-delaying the team into oblivion and taking one cycle more to finish.
2nd half I ran Rappa with Ruan Mei, HMC and Gallagher. All is well with the clear, although I had to redo a couple of times as well because of how squishy Rappa is, she simply died to wind shear before Gallagher could cleance her. I heard people manage to clear this side with Rappa in 3 cycles or less, but mine is s0 and it doesn't look like I'll be able to get Fugue, so let's hope all of this pity acquired on her banner will go to Madame Herta.
@olddesert4497 being jq less is rough with Acheron. Though I do wonder if a standard Acheron team might still perform better than dotcheron since there's no immediate rush in killing the trotters. Your Rappa performance without Fugue sounds about right.
I think it's better to think of this MOC as one that generally inflates clear times but may not be strictly harder to clear in 10 cycles in the absolute sense.
All the best for your herta rolls
@EiDehGaming Classic Acheron team struggled precisely because I don't have Jiaoqiu. Both Pela and Silver Wolf need their turns to get Acheron her stacks, them getting action-delayed by Svarog means they can't basic/skill her a stack or earn energy for an ultimate in time. DoTcheron somewhat solved that issue for me because because the DoT duo
a) had higher speed stats (particularly Kafka with her s1)
b) was able to passively earn energy from killing trotters
c) had Kafka's FUA to contribute an extra Acheron ult stack
8:53 im pretty sure if you held on to march’s ult and used it later to proc feixiao’s talent then you’d have enough stacks to get both of her ults no? (well you still did it so ehhhh)
You're right. Didn't think of that. It's just that only other time I got this far in a one-sided test run, I didn't have to advance M7, so I had way more than enough stacks. Here, I didn't actually realize I would not have enough stacks until Feixiao's last turn started.
Me: *satisfied that my basic DHIL team could 3 cycle the swarm*
Eideh: *kills the first phase before the swarm even takes a turn, off-element*
Jokes aside, I'm actually impressed by how you ignored vulnerability. Ah well, this buff is very aoe centered. I'll try a swarm run with Argenti just to see how he fares with this buff. But my first Feixiao run was worrying, since I usually 0 to 1 cycle with Aven on the team as long as it's wind weak...the HP bloating man. In tandem with the aoe centered buff, I don't think it's possible with a sustain this time haha. For a chill clear, I found Acheron to be more comfortable this time, despite her annoying overkill. It felt bad using March to kill the trotters.
Didn't realize the first wave of side 2 had been (relatively) spared of the HP buff, that's interesting! And I don't dislike the AI change in a vacuum, though it really helps AOE clears, I don't feel like it hinders ST clears (but maybe I'm wrong).Well, I will come to dislike it if they use that as an excuse to bloat the HP even more, but they're going to do that anyway haha.
The aoe change actually heavily punishes bounce chars. Like hmc skill and the like.
@@EiDehGaming oh, true, bounce types are much better on single target...
truly cooked with this run
e0s0 firefly, e1s0 fugue,e0s0 ruanmei, and HMC manage to 1 cycle the 1st half. with herta store and 4* lc, i just need few more action to 0 cycle not sure how. maybe both DDD on ruanmei and hmc, or stack BE on ruanmei for extra dmg.
man the previous moc svarog only needed one fugue ult to reduce the toughness for firefly to break and now, tb's skill is needed, I wonder how long can e0 ff sb 0 cycle lasts, feels like the only way to break the ceiling now is through eidolons
@@gladysdatita2736 it has been the case for a long time that there arent too many meaningful and interesting 'tech' you can pull off with ff and her superbreak core. Fugue was a nice solution for a 4th sustainless slot but the same problems still exist so depending on the direction moc goes, it may be the case.
Though note that firefly has always been bad against 2 phase bosses (that isn't choir) for 0 cycles so just changing the type of enemy encounter will be enough.
lmao feixiao’s last boltsunder would have earned you the achievement if you hadn’t unlocked it already
Still 0 cycle with the massive hp inflation respect 👏👏👏👌
idk if you can make Jingliu do it, but would be fun to see grandma again.
Someone did one but its like a 10 cost run, probably not possible without a few limited eidolons especially since their build is top 1% on seeleland
finally a good 0 cycle run, not like those other 0 cyclist that says they cleared it with e0s1 but the supports are highly invested.
i rlly dont like their fraud showcases
12:49 R.I.P DOT team even with 4 cycle clear but rip realy
I want to see how DHIL fares in 2nd nodes. I think you can do it with E2, but not so sure on E0
i've seen e2 almost 1 cycle bug. I don't think e0 can
There's 0 cycle E2 DHIL on youtube but im not sure if there's E0 0 cycle. I have E1 and managed to 3 cycles but i feel like with better relics i could go for 2 cycles (still far from 0 cycle tho)
Oh i am curious if Jade works out with the ai changes.
Should obviously work with THE Herta but interested how its outside of her
Still not sure if I can 0-cycle this with Firefly. Well, Fugue came home early, thankfully. But I only have both of them E0S0. I really need more Eagle pieces. I don't think I can do a full 0-cycle clear on this cycle. Only a partial one on the second side with Feixiao and Ratio, maybe.
Herta and RMC are coming next patch though with this same MoC cycle still present, I wonder what you will cook with Herta and RMC.
At e0s0 it's definitely rough. Though if you're rolling for any of the new dps I think it may still be possible
I probably must've missed it in one of the videos but is Topaz actually bad for 0-cycles, at least at E0S1? I don't recall seeing even one video with her
Ye she's bad, copers with their "FART" team don't realize it's actually a fart team
March gives more stacks and deals more dmg than topaz in the bronya march robin team
She has been featured a number of times. I used her in my 2.5 full 0-cycle against Hoolay together with Feixiao and also did one with Sunday and Feixiao against last MOC's Svarog. Topaz dmg amp is a lot stronger than M7, like it's not particularly close. She does provide less stacks, but will generally be able to 0-cycle with a 1/4 ult split on wave 1/2. The problem with the team is that it backloads the dmg because they need the full 150 AV to recover all 4 ults on wave 2, which can be problematic against some enemy lineups as the team is quite squishy. There's also almost no breaking potential on wave 1 so we have to tank all the damage. This hunt7 lineup is just a lot safer in general.
Edit: Somehow I forgot to add the most annoying part for 0-cycles which is the start-of-wave proof of debt targets which are RNG. Many runs live or die by this because there isn't SP to go around to switch targets. So It's something I'd rather not have to deal with unless it's trivial to overcome or I just really want to showcase her.
March is sp friendly in this team, generates sp for the hungry bronya and feixiao
RNG, both for her damage and vulnerability, which can screw your run over every time you kill an enemy or start a wave, especially in this MoC with trotters. March 7th is less potential damage, but her buff is active for every opponent, her damage is not RNG, and vs these opponents she contributes breaks as well.
@@Gasterus69 typical Topaz slander
All the excuses to merely justify not pulling for her and cope with doomposting instead.
Funny enough she's a 1.x unit that still holds her ground up to this day along with Ruan Mei.
I'm rooting for the seele 0 cycle of second half without e1 robin
Probably the last time E0 Fify (with E0 supports) is gonna 0 cycle Moc...(i hope my previous sentence ages like milk) You've done well queen, time for your well deserved rest. You've been a great unit
there's a 0 cycle on true sting with e0 ff with rmc no limited eidolons
needs bunch of wind sets though
Do you see any 0 cicle potential with a Fugue/Acheron team? I've tested her with Lingsha in a Acheron team and she is a great stacks generator, but I dunno without a sustain, maybe E4 Bronya? What do you think?
It's definitely not very good in sustainless runs. E4 bronya and RM are probably the only harmonies you can try to run with that actually attack with any kind of frequency. Her dmg amp is also considerably lower than Pela since most of it is in the exo toughness + superbreak and it's not easy to break with the team.
If you put Sunday in place of Bronya would you still be able to do 0 cycles?
Sunday will require a different rotation as he is not plug-and-play here because of his inability to advance harmony.
158.2 spd for bronya, how rng is it to farm
I did NOT have a fun time doing this MoC. I barely beat it with 20 cycles left
Very nice
Would you do 0 cycle dot?or its impossible
In the yapping part or after that, he said RIP DOT. It’s impossible
If kafka and swan are e6...
@@kirarrriii too sad for me
@@tavinhoo ye
@@tavinhooe1 Robin + e1 black swan is 49% more damage, it should be doable with those.
Can you 0 cycle side one with Fei, March, Robin and Sparkle/Bronya?
All in due time
for side 2 is it possible to replicate the run with no limited lc but e1 robin?
Probably. Though you probably at least want Bronya's LC on Robin
@@EiDehGaming I've test out the tech on my acc. The only thing I'm missing rn is s5 DDD. Mine is at s1. Otherwise I feel like it's possible. Regardless, the tech is really nice.
How would I attempt the 2nd side with an e2+ bronya?
No changes. But you can even drop SPD boots on Feixiao to ATK boots and get a few SPD substats and this same rotation should still work and it'll be way stronger than this variant.
@@EiDehGamingthough, I suppose I have to attempt it first.
My builds currently do not match yours by a lot, actually. And I do not have many vonwaqs or limited lcs spare lying around.
E3S5 DDD Bronya is at 161~ spd
E0S1 Blissful Feixiao at a final 163~ spd
E6S1 Sleep March Hunt at a final 162~ spd
E0S0 Robin, standard vonwaq 125 spd and 4,1k atk
Only robin has vonwaq as of rn. So if I were to farm it I’d be a-ok if it really was necessary. luckily Talia has real units who use it like my Rappa when I do come around to farm it.
Hear back from me in a couple of days haha!
The only thing stopping me from Side 1 is my 142 HMC no Eagle 😭
My condolences
Redeeming wishfuls for Rutilant Arena and not wind set pieces? Just how badly did the Keel/Rutilant cavern hurt you?!
I think rutilant has only been featured once on this channel because I have a good physical orb. I think that gives an idea. And it's also not for the lack of farming. I'm just cursed forever. And to add insult to injury, i have multiple of every other double crit rope except atk amongst my rutilant pieces
Can you replace bronya with Sunday if we have him?
Not with this setup, no. Sunday requires a different setup to have chance of working. The standard 133.4 SPD setup with only 2 Robin ults.
feixiao spd must 146?
anyway W clear ❤
Can be faster but probably not slower. Also note the decimal point. 146.5 is close to the slowest Feixiao can be and requires Bronya to be as close to 158.3 as possible
if i have bron e2 do i need to change anything ?
No. In fact, you can probably drop SPD boots on Feixiao and run ATK boots and the same rotation will work much better. I believe you may need 1 or 2 more SPD substats after dropping it though.
and people say there is hp inflation in HSR but they forgot that there is a trotter to offset that high HP BECAUSE THAT IS THE MECHANIC OF THIS SEASON MOC for god sake
they INTENTIONALLY make it high HP BECAUSE THERE IS 2 TROTTER THAT SPAWN CONSTANTLY TO OFFSET THE HP
But.... butt... Xolze "gallagher is a better break dps than firefly" Telos said Firefly can't 0 cycle 😢😢😢. I can't believe I'm being lied to
tells you it's an undergraduate lol
190spd fugue did most of the heavy lifting on this 0c tho
@@s1ckdoll youre telling me the break support was doing the heavy lifting in a break team? Never thought of that
@@mirokas-w6z what i meant is that 0cycling with FF b4 fugue was like 0cycling with jing yuan b4 sunday
lisara could never
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