I so agree with you. Many people say a 3 year old can't get far, as if they're toddling along. My 3 year old literally ran like the wind and would carry on running for no reason whatsoever and no one could keep up with her. Especially ADHD kids, they never ever stop, doesn't matter if they're dehydrated, hungry, tired, their bodies are always on turbo
@@t377y7 Couldn't catch her. I once had to grab her ponytail before she ran under a train. We put baby reins on her but she'd scream the place down. I could run fast, faster than my husband, but when my daughter wanted to run off she was like a cheetah. I'm glad she's grown up now
Fr I remember my lil bb bro ran all the way down the road and I had to run after him in baggy pants lol what if my pants fell down 😂😂 he got pretty far tho, like 4-5 houses down the road. 😤
When my son was 4 he was taken out of a store by a stranger. He said he thought the man was his uncle (they both were tall, muscular and blonde) luckily I saw them leaving and chased them down, my son was fine. But I say all this to note that kids at this age only have small frames of reference for things even people they know well. If he encountered a person who looked even vaguely similar to his grandmother his mind could have come up with the rest of this story.
It could be that he was discovered by someone who lives out in the woods, took him back to where they lived (the figures could have been manequins and the guns could be legitimate guns) and checked him for any injuries. When they noticed that he was ok, they took him back to a spot they could be found and left.
@@zaneplatt3533 I see 2 problems with that explanation. Its not unreasonable but i just think that somebody would eventually notice guy living there, especially if he was somewhat near the spot that boy was found in. And then there would be a question how how, and why do you also carry many manequins into the forrest without also being noticed by others?
if the person cares enough about the kid to check them for injuries why would they leave them in a place alone to wait for help instead of waiting with them or taking them to help?@@zaneplatt3533
Idkkk.. my son is 3 and there have been times when he’s ran up to a woman who looks similar to grandma at the park, and once at the store he was saying hi grandma from down the aisle, but then quickly realized it wasn’t her once he got close. Unless the child is 0-2 years old, they can tell the difference between someone they know and someone they don’t, even if they look similar. Especially someone they know well. Unless they’re like identical twins I’ve seen even babies be able to tell the difference between people who look similar.
Yes. He is fortunate that she returned him. It makes you wonder if the others in that cave were less fortunate victims who were placed in suspended animation(paralyzed) or if they were entities like her who were easily capable of remaining unusually still while watching.
@@cgsimons1187Creepy! Assuming it’s true, I wonder what the being/beings reasons were. Why all the guns and bags? Why take the kid? Why take other people? Imagine being taken into a “dungeon” by an entity only to see standing paralyzed people down there. This thing could eat people for all we know.
I had someone pretend to my girlfriend and took me away from my family. Turns out she was a fake, she wasn't a robot, but rather, a gold digging whore! It is scarry, and it does happen!
It is also rather unpractical. Maquerading as someone whom you actually well know gives you the best chance to see though the mask. As even that boy did, turns out.
I mean, that show he featured on is only a few years old. It probably wouldn't be TOO different to when he was a tad younger, honestly. Hell, he may even remember less as puberty can muddle earlier memories for some people.
Some people can start remembering around then, extreme memorable events usually, sometimes though people who experience trauma will not remember a lot. Find this kid.
@@ZeroKitsune the grandma's retelling of it on that show screws up when she says that he said at the time, "I dont like the other grandma cappy." If it were a true memory, Indiana would say, "I didnt like when you took me into the mine," and would not have thought the two grandmas were different beings.
Occams Razor = he fell asleep under the bush after wandering off and had a lucid nightmare about Robot Grandma. It may have been the first nightmare in his life he remembered.
It is possible but the fact the kid remembered it in detail long after the incident is quite remarkable if true. Dreams, even vivid ones, are rarely remembered in detail for longer than a day by most people.
I cannot recall in detail even my recurring nightmares from childhood. The boy remembering a one-off from when he was a toddler is pretty hard for me to believe
Real Occam's razor, the story is true as reported. You understand these cases better if you listen to the totality of David Paulides' evidence. Look him up. Thousands of cases that all line up...
@@user-te5po4bu8o Yeah, it is possible to remember vivid dream for years, but not in the same detail from when you first woke up from it and it was still fresh in your mind. After a while, you will remember only bits and pieces and not the whole details.
Too weird to not be real. I think the beings wanted to make him feel safe so that they could use that against him by duplicating a loved one and used some crazy technology that was short circuiting lol 😂
Yeah I can see a three-year-old making up such a complex story unless it was real. It is far and away the craziest one I have ever heard. The only other one that creep me out was the skier that was jumping Large crevices running from some creature that scared him to death. The police were trying to find any explanation for that story to saying well maybe he was about to be in a diabetic coma you wouldn't jump death define crevasses for that my mom's blood sugar got very low they would not be able to do something like that. When my mom's blood sugar got low she was saying words but they were making no sense immediately went to the store and got some sugared orange juice. And jumped her ass for ever giving herself a shot and then going off to watch her grandkids without eating. People that have very low blood sugar cannot do normal things much less junk large crevices he was actually running from something and then he skied right off the cliff. That story scared me especially when the searchers said they felt like someone was watching them but the campy story is number 1 far way the weirdest. NASCAR pit aliens even though I 1000% believe the universe is teeming with life. In this case I really don't see another answer.
He puts in a lot of work, no question about it but the guy has almost a quarter of a million subscribers. People have taken notice and he’s getting his well deserved recognition.
Something that came to mind watching this: there is an episode of SpongeBob in which Mr Krabs has a robot duplicate that takes his place-could Indiana have recently seen that before he went missing and that’s the basis for his story? Who knows, but this story is still very intriguing. On another note, I cannot get enough of this channel. Every single video you put out is so captivating. Your objective viewpoint backed by what appears to be hours upon hours of research is not comparable to any other channel on RUclips. You stay neutral and let the evidence speak for itself and even go as far as visiting some of the sites in person to further grasp the story. 100/10 recommend. Keep it up!!
The most interesting thing about the family recounting their experience, was the proportion of the story being told by the grandmother. Indiana barely spoke... and when he did start talking, his grandmother seemed to quickly interject, in order to finish the idea for him - Like she thought it was her story to tell. (Narcissistic red flags) She seemed to be more excited to tell the story, than even he does.. probably, because she better understands the value of the paycheck they will receiving from the History Channel for their contribution to the production. Also, Indiana's dissociated expression, as the other's exclaim their belief in the story... is quite telling. It's the same expression I used to make as a child - when I felt the objectifying social pressure to perform for adults. I hope the kid is okay.... Seems fishy, though.
I was also sussed on that shit, but I had to remind myself: this is dino-media channel. There also exists the possibility that the kid DID talk and told his whole story himself, but he was 12 year old spaghetti-all-over-lad, and the producers decided to go with the footage of the other two (reasons for which, you may theorize for yourself). The footage is certainly standard TV cut-up.
He does look a bit like he knows what's being talked about is made up. Could be he know's he made it up and is afraid he'll get in trouble if his family finds out or it could be that he already told his family he made it up and they told him to pretend he didn't.
@@skyekeating349 my thought is that he's more a victim of sorts. my theory is that he actually did get lost in the woods for a few hours, and either couldn't remember what happened, or he just inexplicably made up a story about it as children are known to do. maybe because he was so young he thought it was his fault that he got lost and was too embarrassed to say it? and then felt like he had to give a story that made it someone else's fault that he got lost so his parents wouldn't get mad at him. it's not reasonable for an adult or a teenager to think like that, but he was 3 at the time. 3 year olds just say and do things sometimes because they don't understand the world around them yet. often these types of stories come from movies, shows, books, etc. - including their advertisements - that the child then misinterprets and perhaps combines with other media, in a way that doesn't all connect together in teh child's mind. he could've seen part of an episode of The Twilight Zone at a friend/family member's house, for example. or some missing persons type case on the History channel or something. i actually have a specific piece of media that i think could've contributed to this: the movie Hoodwinked, or its sequel. the former released in 2005, the latter in 2011. while not exactly the same, in Hoodwinked there's a character who pretends to be the protagonist's grandma for malicious purposes. and although i'm a few years older than this kid, i distinctly remember being creeped tf out by my memories of the movie. it just felt sinister to me, like a nightmare i'd had and remembered. i actually thought for a few years that it WAS some creepy memory i had made up, until i randomly ran across the movie again inline. it makes perfect sense to me that the kid saw a trailer for the movie on TV, or it was put on when they went to visit a relative's house or something, and in lieu of remembering the actual movie, he just retained some ideas from the movie that scared him at the time, which then resurfaced due to the trauma of being lost. 3 year olds can have a hard time distinguishing reality from dreams/imagination/fiction anyway. i would guess he got lost, was so scared he dissociated, and his brain tried to fill in the gaps in memory by recontextualizing other scary memories. then his grandma claiming to believe something related happened to her, plus all the questioning and publicity, caused the false memory created out of stress to become cemented in his brain as something he has no other explanation for. it could have also happened in reverse, with him not having a story atfter he got lost, then later on seeing the movie but not remembering it very well, and then at some point his scary memories from around that time got intertwined with each other (again, likely due to others talking to him about it). i think his expression in the interview is him trying to go back to that time/place to find his ACTUAL memories, not just what everyone around him is telling him that he said. clearly he mostly only remembers snapshots and emotions, and i don't think it's ever said whether he remembers telling that story the first time. obviously i don't know him, but it does seem to me like he's taking the word of his family rather than sharing his own actual memories. he just seems like he doesn't fully believe his own story for whatever reason. but if he doesn't have his own explanation, and everyone around his is telling him the same thing, i can't really blame him for not saying he doesn't necessarily agree. but again, i don't know him, and this is ENTIRELY speculation. i cannot and do not claim to know what he believes, how he feels, or what his memories are/aren't. this is just what i believe to be a likely series of occurrences that caused the whole case to seem mysterious.
@@pizzzaeater1425 I almost completely agree. Definitely about the origin of the story. I just think there might be a bit more malicious intent on the part of the grandmother. My speculation based on the interview is that he had already told his family it wasn't true but his grandmother either tried to convince him it was or simply told him to pretend it was when a TV show wanted to interview them. Whether the story is true or not, the kid did nothing wrong. I do think his grandmother might be pushing him to lie though, and if she is doing that then she is absolutely doing something wrong.
I haven't even started listening to this yet, but i want to say upfront, you are the premiere RUclips channel for stories of this type. You deserve much more recognition for the detailed analysis and thorough research you do. You dont churn out content, you make excellent content above and beyond what anyone else does who covers the same topics. Thank you for your excellent work, and hats off to you!🎩
A cave or dungeon with a ladder sounds like a spider hole that some survivalist dug. The boy reported guns and purses on shelves which sounds like the inside of such a bunker. The "purses" could have been various military type bags or pouches. If it's just one trap door on the ground then that could be really hard to find. The person could cover it with leaves, etc, and you might never find it.
But think about building something that involved on public land. It sounds like it had to be deep in and then the ladder means even more digging to have another level. Remember the kid didn't use the ladder so the ladder wasn't the entryway
When the little guy said , "they were doint experiments on me" and he not mentiong anything about being asked to poop on paper makes me think, Grandma is highly suggestive.
I have a healthy dose of scepticism but this event has intrigued me for years. I was disappointed when the Why Files reported no evidence of the grandmother existing. Very thorough coverage by this channel, great job man
The why files is a lot of nonsense. A lot of his videos are of crap I can't wrap my head around. Like one about an ancient spacecraft orbiting earth called the black night satellite. Apparently it's been watching Earth for thousands of years. It's just ridiculous. But many of the comments on his videos seem to be so positive, so I'm not entirely sure what's going on with that channel
@@stephenmarshall8367No, there isn’t. This crazy theory has been debunked hard. Trust me, we all want to believe that there is something else out there but falling for obvious hoaxes isn’t going to help us find the real aliens.
Ive always wondered if instead of a cave, the kid was talking about an old mine? I grew up in Northern California (about 60 miles from Shasta) and it's littered with abandoned mines. Is there a list of abandoned mines in the Trinity forest?
I cant help but feel like the grandma was very much leading the story. She already had a prior experience that she interpreted as "paranormal", she first posted the account on a relatively niche blog dedicated to paranormal stories (meaning she likely was already consuming such stories), she mentioned in the post that she was aware of Missing 411, etc. I cant shake the feeling that the grandma saw her opportunity (whether consciously or unconsciously) to be involved in this community that she read so much about and "helped" the grandson along. Clearly the boy's parents felt that this was the case.
It's troubling that the child speaks of "two different grandmas". This is a classic defense/coping mechanism of a child that has been molested by someone he knows and trusts. I'm not suggesting it was by his grandma, but it is interesting he mentions a "sinister, robotic grandma" when he talks about his time in the "cave", where his "stomach was touched and he was asked to poop on something". If someone asks you to poop on something, there is a good chance that your pants are down. This poor child...
@@sethstine4698I really don’t think any of that happened. The child simply got lost and grandma wanted some attention for it. That’s my guess. Obviously I don’t know for certain.
I just want to say. I really respect that you not only went out to look for the cave, but when you found another trail, you tracked it back to the camp. I found that to be a really important piece since it doesn't show up in any reports, and only someone there could've shown it. It really does add evidence that's needed. Props to you
i'm pretty certain he's super sceptical of missing stories that have a supernatural take, but i did notice he was clutching that satellite phone the whole time he was on the trail, something i haven't seen him do when on other trails.
Second this. Aside from have a great speaking voice and nice pacing, I appreciate the detailed, open-minded approach that doesn't get too much into wild speculation or minimizing a missing person's experiences
I think we all appreciate the time and effort that goes into the retelling of these tales. Not just the cursory 8 minute synopis done for clicks found on other lesser channels but an exhaustive deep dive with actual feet on the ground no less. The art work is damn good to boot, reminiscent of the artist that does Bedtime Stories. Outstanding work sir!
Mostly good art, but that drawing of the hole in the back of Grandma's head went a bit overboard with the aging on the hand, LOL. Looks like the hand of someone in their 90's, not 50's. 😆
This channel is CRIMINALLY underrated wtf! I have watched every single one of your videos and you put in the most thorough investigation. You LITERALLY go to some of these spots where the stories occur. You also stay as unbiased and professional. You toe the middle ground between fantasy and skepticism so well. You constantly keep an open mind until facts point in 1 direction or the other. Absolutely amazing!
I had a similar experience in the backwoods of Pennsylvania. I was out hunting by myself as my friend I was going with got sick. When I got to my spot my friend was there. He never said a word but motioned for me to follow. I kept trying to ask him what is wrong. He would not talk. He seemed to get angry and just walked away. To say I was freaked out is an understatement. Once I got in cell phone range I called my friend to make sure he was ok and not having a stroke or something. He said he just woke up and never left his room. He was freaked out too because when I said I seen you and you had a orange hat on. He told me the night before he was getting his gear and was planning on wearing an orange hat. That’s the last time I hunted in that spot.
I like this creative writing exercise but it’s people like you that create misinformation for actual missing persons cases to be confused with and you’re encouraging these conspiracy theorists to continue fantasizing
It does to me sound like what the parents were worried would happen did. The grandmother played into the imagination of a child and lead him to believe that it was true for much longer. Yes it is possible that something happened to that kid, but because he was young and scared, he didn't understand what was going on so his imagination filled in the blanks. And his grandmother wanted to believe him so badly, she created that false memory for him, possibly overwriting the actual memory. Kids do this a lot when put into confusing or scary situations, filling in blanks with nonsese from their imagination when they don't understand what's going on. And it is possible for that to become the childs actual memory of the situation, even if half of it was made up
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if the boy was taken by a ‘wild person’ (basically a hermit in the area) who saw the boy and took pity on him cause she felt he wouldn’t survive without her help or something. Especially if he was lost, maybe the robots were corpses but of course that is hard to say. If the purses and guns were true, she may have stolen them from deceased, lost or other hermits in the area. And the robots were corpses that the boy reinterpreted to be robots cause that made sense to his brain. Or the boy just imagined other sleeping or sitting hermits as robots if this was a community of hermits. The sparkling could be from dew or just water that the hermit may have had which under the light sparkled or any other form of reflective surfaces. Maybe she did resemble Katty or was just some elderly woman who the child linked to Grandma Katty as it was an easier connection
@@victory8928Statistically, young children are taken for very specific reasons, and are murdered within minutes to hours. Strangers don't like caring for an obnoxious toddler who is incredibly needy, as all toddlers are.
This story really strains credibility. Anyone with young kids knows they regularly make up wild stories. Especially when they're scared. Also, watching the grandma in the interview sealed it for me. She completely dominates the conversation and narrative. And when they ask the boy if he remembers he seems unsure. Pair that with the gramdma posting this to AboveTopSecret which is a pretty niche website and my suspicion is that the grandma is a UFO believer and involved in that scene and used her grandson's imagination to create this story.
I disagree. Maybe I’m too hopeful, but would the grandma really capitalize on her grandson going missing? Because that part is true, the kid really was missing, and really was found by that bush. I’d sooner believe the kid fell asleep or got knocked unconscious and had a wild dream over the grandma making all this up for her own gain.
@@StumbIingforward I'm not saying the grandma made up the entire story. Obviously the child was lost and later found. It's the whole Robot Grandma thing that's ludicrous. I'm certain the boy told people that's what happened but anyone with children knows they tell you all kinds of wondrous tales.
As someone who shares the experience of going through something abnormal and then going on television to try and tell the story, I'm glad to see that the directors and producers allowed them to tell their story without any extra mush attached. Trying to be genuine with a director who just wants suspense is hell. Keep up the good work!
I'd also love to know about your experience. What happened, when, and then your subsequent experience relaying it. If you find the time it would be appreciated! Thanks.
I had a sasquatch encounter in the North Cascades in 2021 and i refuse to tell my story in real life anymore. There’s nothing worse than sharing a reality shattering traumatic experience and just have people laugh at your face and call you a liar.
@@SC-ec8xe Thanks for the interest and sorry it took so long to reply, I'm just now seeing these comments. This is the real story, as the one you will hear on In Search of Monsters is filled with omissions and fluff because they wouldn't let us tell the full story. This was mid 2010's in northwest Wisconsin at a youth retreat, over the course of 3 days something was stalking the campgrounds and messing with us, or at least some of us. The night before camp I was there with a friend to help set up and while sitting in the main cabin talking and playing cards I was absent-mindedly staring out the window at a moth when after a few seconds I thought to myself that it was weird I could only see the wings and not the body. Immediately after thinking this, I realized the wings were eyes and in that moment the pair of eyes backed up and whatever it was moved away from the window and the light from a nearby light post illuminated the window again. The fact that it was big enough to completely block the window made me concerned that it was a bear, but there wasn't much I could do except lock the doors and hope for the best. Thankfully nothing happened that night and so I just kinda kept it to myself. But on the second day while everyone was together in a clearing listening to our leader explain the rules for a game, something growled right next to me and I jumped and looked to my right expecting to see a dog or something but there was nothing there. My brother was about 10 feet ahead of me in this group of about 30 kids and I was at the back. He turned around because he thought I made the noise but I shook my head no and we both looked around for anything but found nothing. The weirdest part is that none of the other kids heard it, no one else turned around or even looked in my direction. After this I told my brothers about my experience but we weren't sure about telling everyone else because this was a christian youth retreat and we weren't expecting, "There's some kind of entity stalking the camp," to go over well with anyone so we stayed alert and told a couple people we trusted. That evening after dark, everyone was doing their own thing as was tradition at this camp, my brother (the one who also heard the growl) and a friend of his went to their cabin to get stuff for ultimate frisbee. Their cabin was at the top of the hill closest to the woods for reference, so they went to grab or drop off some stuff and as the came out they looked off into the woods to their left and they saw a weird shape partially hiding behind a tree. One of them nervously joked, "That kinda looks like a person." to which the other agreed and as they continued to look the thing started moving out from behind the tree and they both froze. They said it was light grey almost like smoke when you shine a flashlight on it but it had pale white eyes, they said it was hard to make out any other features partially because they were scared but also because it was almost all grey. After what must have been only 5-10 seconds the thing jolted towards them and they ran. From my perspective I was down the hill and heard my brother shouting, "Oh I'm done! I'm so done!" as he sprinted down the hill with his friend. As he got to me he was crying and as I calmed him down some other kids were gathering and asking what was wrong. He told me what happened and I immediately went to the camp leader and told him there was something in the woods. He saw that my brother had been crying and the other kid had a thousand mile stare and was pale as a sheet so he confined everyone to their cabins for the evening and made sure everyone had a buddy when they went outside. Supposedly they heard or saw something moving out in the woods when they went to investigate but it was inconclusive. The night passed and everyone went home the next day. We never figured out what it was but I had heard that another christian youth group that used the campgrounds later that summer had some kind of experience with something getting into one of the cabins at night but when we asked they wouldn't tell us much because "Speak of the devil and he will appear." Later on my brother made a post on reddit about our experience and eventually some producer saw it and asked us to be on their new show called In Search of Monsters. It was interesting seeing the process of shooting scenes and stuff, but the episode was about the Wendigo and so they only let us talk about what they thought would be interesting for their story. I personally was super uncomfortable because they made us stand and talk in ways that weren't our natural mannerisms so it made us look pretty awkward. It's funny to look back on and watch our episode from time to time but they definitely didn't do our story justice, so I'm glad these guys had a more genuine retelling.
I personally think the little boy simply made up the story. One of my girls use to tell a lot of stories, so much so, we would look forward to her telling us new ones. Little kids can come up with some amazing stories.
One thing I want to know is if this three year old boy knew the difference between his dreams and his reality. How did he refer to other dreams he had? Did he confuse them with real life events? Because the most logical explanation is that he ran off down that trail, eventually got tired and fell asleep under that bush, had a vivid dream, then woke up to the dog finding him. There's no need to go all paranormal when things just line up like this. And grandma most likely did have a spider bite, if it affected her like she said it did. A simple DNA sample shouldn't make her sick. Spider venom would.
I cannot believe the amount of information you found on this story. You investigate so thoroughly, I had no idea this family was featured on a tv show to talk about the incident, of all the videos and books I have read on this event, you had so much more detail. No one has read the online posts of the story or shown the tv segment. I have read all of David Paulides' books and listened to his radio segments mainly for entertainment value and I have maintained a degree of skepticism. The more I learn about these stories, the more I realize that he is not investigating enough to have meaningful discussions on the cases. I really enjoy the depth of your content.
I believe what this child is saying. Having had a few strange incidents happening to me as a child, I know firsthand that just because something hasn't happened to me, certainly doesn't mean the incident didn't happen!!! Unfortunately, because I had things happen to me, some would be inclined to not believe. I don't think people refuse to believe what happened, but they're more afraid that if they do believe it happened, it forces them to realize that strange things could happen to them!
The quality of your research and presentation is unbelievable. You approach the topics with an open, but analytical mind. You are like Mulder and Scully combined. Keep up the great work!!
A couple things bother me. Mostly with the History channel segment and how it reflects on the story. It's kind of put forth as "From the child himself" to reinforce the story, but the child only recounts a very small almost insignificant part of the story. It's mostly just the grandmother retelling the story, and that's who we got the original telling of the story from. Also, it seams the completely omitted the "Poop on sticky paper" part. Which is the most bizarre and compelling part. I really would've liked to have the child tell the majority of the story in his own words. Regardless, great video as usual TME, solid work.
although I am not convinced of this story, in fairness, at the age this supposedly occurred, he would be very unlikely to retain those memories with any fidelity into adulthood.
@@TheAlgorath Kids make stuff up, and their imaginations are near limitless. Some of the stories my own kids came up with were true whoppers, just off the rails.
@@elenchus 3 years old is about the earliest I can remember having any memories. I do have a few detailed memories from that age, though. It's possible to remember something like this, in my opinion.
15:40 She's describing going into fight or flight. I got that exact feeling all the time before I diagnosed with complex PTSD, and still experience it every single day. The human mind is an amazing organ. Even when it malfunctions, it's just trying to protect us.
I believe that the grandmother believes her grandson and she comes across as a genuinely concerned person wanting to protect her grandson while also being open to what may actually be out there. That's enough for me to believe that something happened out there. I've heard this story a few times over the years (DP comes to mind), but this feels like the most indepth depiction, especially with hiking out there. It also seems like if there is a ladder involved, there's a good chance that this cave or dungeon is underground and that you may not necessarily be looking for the typical cave-like entrance in the side of a mountain... maybe something more akin to a disguised manhole cover sort of entrance. Anyway, I love this channel and the effort you put into each case. Everything is done with a sense of respect and intrique, and the artwork is the cherry on top. Keep it up and I'll still be here when you hit your first million subs. Nice work.
You can push a memory or experience away, especially if it's never repeated, and tell yourself it didn't really happen. Then the same thing happens to your kid or grandkid and you can't deny it any longer because you feel a need to protect them. Grandma knew what was up long before her grandson had this experience.
I would really like to see Missing Enigma do episodes on the Jamison Family Bart Schleyer and Prabhdeep Srawn cases as those ones are beyond baffling and creepy
This is absolutely infuriating. As a personality researcher (familiar with human behavior and psychology), it's blatantly obvious what's occured-the boy created comforting thoughts and images to cope during the time he was alone and scared, then the grandmother fused a prior experience she had with her grandsons far more significant experience. She then proceeded to potentially traumatize the boy repeatedly, even after the parents forbade her from questioning him on more than one occasion. Due to the heightened emotions converging with these various experiences, she and her grandson have now formed new tangible memories which have been carefully crafted subconsciously over a period of time. As a mother, this is particularly disturbing. Shame on this woman for selfishly making her family relive such a traumatic experience over and over, without any care or consideration for her actions and their repercussions. She's unbelievably toxic.
You have very good and fair points, but open your mind! There are things out there in the wilderness that we have very little understanding of. Things where your knowledge in human personality and psychology, simply don’t apply
@@ayinwithnoyang Or you can stop spreading lies and misinformation and encouraging people to believe in any random thing with zero evidence just because they feel emotional about it.
Maybe an older woman who happened to resemble his grandma tried to kidnap him but then had second thoughts for some reason, and his kid imagination just added a lot of enmeshment about a cave and robots and stuff a 4 year old thinks is cool. Or probably far more likely he just dreamed it that night and then a year later his kid brain couldn't remember if that was a dream or actually happened
I really love your channel. You manage to be both open minded without being gullible, and skeptical without being dismissive. Thanks for consistently putting out such high quality and well researched content on this topic.
I love the unassuming way you deliver content and the diligence and enthusiasm you bring to this unique and completely original channel. It all adds to making something very impressive.
This is amazing. I really appreciate your thoroughness in covering these stories. You never resort to sensationalism (unlike pretty much everyone else on YT), yet you're also not afraid to consider all the details of a story, no matter how strange. And your end analysis is always sober and well considered. Your approach should be the norm, whether the topic is missing persons, UFOs, or the daily news. Unfortunately, you seem to be one of the few who can do this objectively. I hope this rubs off on others. At any rate, I love your channel. Please keep up the great work. Cheers!
I have been a diehard fan of your channel for awhile now. I love your approach to the cases you cover. You have so much compassion and strive to give a non biased opinion founded on facts and common sense. I love your channel. Keep kicking ass!.
Just viewed this channel for the first time. I like the presentation, and the type of comments I am seeing along with it. Too often, this subject matter attracts people who want to push a worldview.
I grew up and lived in Mt. Shasta for 30 years, until just recently. Fun to see old stomping grounds on an episode. Some info on the area. Its a volcanic zone and you are essentially walking on top of ancient lava flows. Meaning there are tiny openings and caves everywhere. Most are extremely hard to spot in that area but small openings around water ways is common. There's even Lava Beds Nat'l Monument a few miles up the road. Which is a very substantial cave system. The McCloud river trail unofficially runs many miles in both directions. Worth also noting, around the time this took place. There were big problems with Mexican cartel grows and other illegal grows all over the general area South of there. MT. Shasta and the grows attracts a lot of people with questionable mental stability and beliefs. All in all it should be no surprise to come across weird folks squatting the in the woods. Such as an unstable person living in a cave? On top of that this is bear and cougar country. Glad the boy was found safe and healthy in the end.
Everyone is so interested in the paranormal aspect that I think explanations like this are overlooked. My first thought in all of this was a potential hermit that was squatting in a cave, found the child and helped them in some weird, mentally unstable way. The child was just filling in gaps and details in a way he understood, but I think the grandmother was too eager and jumped to an ET abduction when given the chance to. Do you have an opportunity to go back anytime? It may be invaluable for someone with your intimate knowledge of this region to find potential caves in the area that Indiana was found in. I don't think anything like the exact cave full of guns and purses would be found, per se, but if there's signs that people do hide out in these cave systems, it may give more credence to a more normal explanation of what could've happened.
I want to corroborate your comment by saying I know of someone who admitted to working for a grow operation for the cartel in California. That person is dead now unfortunately from unrelated causes.
This makes the most sense along with Victory8928's explanation of dew or drops of water (could have even been spider webs stuck to their clothing) being hit by sunlight when the person climbed the ladder to look out, possibly to see if any searchers were in the area. People who spend a lot of time in the woods are very aware of when things are 'different' than normal like a search effort is going on. My guess is if it was a hermit that had the boy for a while is that the boy got too close to the entrance of his/her home base and waited for the rescuers in the area to clear out and then led the boy to an area away from there and in line to where the search would to go next. The last thing a person living off in the woods by themselves wants is to bring attention to their existence there. I am happy with this explanation. As crazy as any of this is I can see this as plausible.
I knew a guy that went camping around the exact same area, and when I told him about your video, he freaked out because he had an experience where his dead grandfather walked out of the woods and beckoned him towards a cave. He had never heard of robot grandma before, but when I told him, he went pale white, like he had seen Satan
I was a nanny for years, and kids come up with the most wild and elaborately detailed stories imaginable. I’ve heard all sorts of bizarre and even terrifying things come out of a kids mouth, and none of it was true. They have absolutely amazing imaginations! This was very much encouraged by the grandma. I could already tell from her writing/post on an incredibly niche website that she was one of “those” kinds of people, especially with how she spoke, and then seeing her dominate the interview of the BOYS experience really did seal the deal. She’s one of ~those~ crazies, and I don’t doubt for a second that she believes what she’s saying (what her grandson said), but that does not make it true. I don’t believe this story (other than a child going missing) for a second. 🤷🏻♀️ A robot clone of his grandmother kidnapped him and made him poop on sticky paper? Yeah…no. lol
@@zaneplatt3533 I’m really not interested in a debate with people who think a holographic robot grandma making people poop on sticky paper is real lol. If you’ve never been around kids or haven’t been around them enough to know that this is normal behavior for them, then I don’t know what to tell you. You need your head checked lol.
The reference to the guns and purses is, to me, the most intriguing part. Many people, including numerous hunters, have gone missing in the Mt Shasta area and if the guns, etc are there it would certainly point to a single party or group responsible for many of those disappearances. (I have to add that the "Robot Grandma" sounds like a dance they might do down at the retirement home,)
I like how you tell the story and how you follow up at the place and time that they're we're missing I like that just to give us idea of the view around the missing person
The fact that the kid never said the ‘grandma’ was his actual grandma is significant to me. He knew it wasn’t her. There was never a time when he said grandma you were there.
Your channel is the perfect balance of skeptic and believer. I admire how you are willing to consider both sides of a topic without dismissing either one. So unusual in this genre believe me.
So true. I can believe there are things we don’t know about but it’s actually limiting to just chalk everything up to aliens or Bigfoot. How about we just ask more questions instead?
One of the most bizarre cases you've ever covered. So many strange details. Thanks for digging deeper and going on location. It would be awesome if you stumbled across the cave some day. Thanks for all you do. This one is going to reside in the back of my mind till we get better answers.
Dude you have always put 100% effort into your videos, the sketches are phenominal. Do you draw those yourself ? Anyway, I have to say, I watched your channel grow for a while now and you really have ramped up the video quality and depth as of recently. Love your channel, keep up the great work. I too am very passionate about these cases because not only are they intriguing, but there just is so much misinformation when it comes to the facts. What you do is so important to those interested, so thanks for that.
Man you do such an excellent job with your videos. Such extensive detail and never pushing any narrative just exploring in detail the information available and leaving all or no possibilities open. Not to mention the awesome drawings and actual on-sure visits!
This episode has EVERYTHING and cements your channel as one of my favourite RUclips channels ever. The amount of details you put in your videos is mind-blowing without ever veering into crazy nonsense even though some subject matters as this one are way out there. You are very careful to point out the information one can logically accept based on verifiable evidence and those which should be taken with a grain of salt. Needless to say, I greatly appreciate you and your effort in bringing us contents like these. 💙
Bravo! You put David palidus of missing 411 to shame with your diligence in digging for facts but still keeping the topics interesting and entertaining. Keep it up! You have a bright future.
I read an account of a couple who developed such bad headaches, their camping trip was ruined in Mt. Shasta area. They were with another couple who told this story. It was just bizarre, and tragic, with them dying.
As soon as you revealed the steep hillside, my mind immediately thought of a cave opening in the side of it. I hope you, or someone, eventually fully investigates the steep hillside and all of its rocky surfaces..
Please... I hope no one wastes another minute on this bs stories. There's much better cases of high strangeness that don't come from an attention seeking nut like this grandma that should be examined first.
This is the absolute best channel in the genre, Lore Lodge being its only equal. No one else goes to the locations like this, which adds invaluable detail and context to stories that have been told so many times. But everyone else just regurgitates the same tired tales. This channel is thorough and absolutely unique!
That injury on the back of the Grandma's neck reminds me of the 50's movie Invaders From Mars where the Martians poke humans with a needle in the back of the neck to turn them into robots.Also in that movie the Martians were hiding underground.
This reminds me of people who see loved ones when they have an NDE. How do they know these are really their deceased relatives and not an evil entity using "glamor" or shapeshifting to make one feel comfortable which in turn allows them to be manipulated.
@hectorlamar806 on the topic of NDE's you bring up a very good point that some folks have shed some light on. The trick is simple: If you see "loved ones" during an NDE -especially if they are encouraging you to come to them- but don't see Jesus, simply ask "Where is Jesus?" And the illusion will unravel. "You say you believe there is one God. You do well. Even demons believe this, and tremble" James 2:19. In short, what people often see in an NDE isn't a peek of heaven, but a deceptive welcome into a false paradise. "You don't need Jesus, you can die and come be with us." is their tagline. Good call my friend.
When I saw this episode pop up in my cue, I jumped right on it! I really like the way you cover things. You remind me of so many guys I knew from the mid to late 70's that it's uncanny. Always looking forward to the next episode!
I’ve watched a few videos on this case. This is the most in depth one. Learned a lot of info that’s not included/left out in the others. Thanks for taking us out to the spot to investigate. Job well done sir.
Compliment sandwich time. Very much enjoy your channel and nearly all your videos. Mad respect to your willingness to be open minded but also reasonable and the fact you often visit these remote locations. In longer videos, it often gets confusing when you read lengthy quotes, stories, poems, reports. It can be tough to differentiate from your narration. In radio days, we'd call for a "reset" where host/dj does a brief station ID, set-up. Your attention to detail and ability to secure actual, legit law enforcement and legal documents is impressive. Thanks
I have the exact same problem bite on neck and symptoms are identical to hers. I've had a few weird things happen to me and my family honestly. Also I love that you're the only RUclips channel that can be bothered to actually investigate this story! You are amazing! Thank you for the hard work!
I believe what this child is saying. Having had a few strange incidents happening to me as a child, I know firsthand that just because something hasn't happened to me, certainly doesn't mean the incident didn't happen!!! Unfortunately, because I had things happen to me, some would be inclined to not believe. I don't think people refuse to believe what happened, but they're more afraid that if they do believe it happened, it forces them to realize that strange things could happen to them!
Do you remember much about what happened or just the after parts with the bite on your neck, did other members of your family have similar experiences? Just feeling curious because I wondered when I heard her describe being out of the tent with the mark on her neck, what she remembered of the experience.
I love how you go to the locations , especially in videos like this where you find that trail that nobody reported that changed my entire opinion of the case
I just sorted videos by popular, watched robo grandma, then clicked this video not even noticing they're related. Beautiful. I love the attention to details in all your videos.
Has anyone from the police department or the searchers that were present at the time actually confirmed that these people (that have gone out of their way to net 15 minutes of fame) were the real kid, sister, and grandma that were the subjects of the events from 2011?
Hey man the drawings on this case were amazingly good I would love to have a print of this episode. Much respect as always, what new cases are coming up?
The next video actually won't be a missing person case, but a little documentary I made about a UFO hotspot. Following that, we will be doing a couple cases from Crater Lake NP.
And robot Nana used that sample to make missing enigma clones, which are now out there roaming the mountainside helping robot nana to get her next victims
@@couchman-sw6jy every 3 minutes is unbelievablely greedy. He can put in ads but only the greedy will have them run every 3 minutes. Plus he just recycles content
Such a great channel. no other missing persons channel goes to the site like you do and that is invaluable. please continue to do that when you can as it adds so much to the story/setting
I find this case fascinating. So many people have similar stories to tell about samples being taken, that it make me wonder if something isn't going on out there. That being said, I love your practical, pragmatic approach always. I guess this is one that we will just never know. I would love for you to interview this boy once he comes of age to see if he has experienced other incidents of missing time or being visited or taken for samples again.
Dude, you really put in the work here. Thank you so much. I've been hearing this story for so long, seeing the actual spot where he was found and the campground was incredible!
Ohh boy. Mount Shasta. Been there a number of times in the 90s. One of the freakiest places I've ever been. The mountain itself terrified me the first time I was there. It resonates with a very intense, weird energy. Stories of missing people and UFOs/UAPs did abound, even back then.
This is the best investigation into this case I've ever seen and even without answers, the presentation doesn't leave you disappointed with that because of the length you went to and the quality of the video. You have an absolutely awesome channel, had to subscribe. Thank you James Franco!
I’ve seen / experienced a couple of strange things myself so I wouldn’t dismiss what happened to the boy. The grandma also had something happen to her a year before. It would be easy to say the boy dreamt or imagined it but for the grandma’s own experience I tend to believe him. Something happened and it might’ve just been some survivalists or cult in the cave.
Another fantastic video. I don't know any other content creator who puts as much effort as you do into their videos. Thank you so much for the work you do! 😊💕
This is by far one of my most favorite channels! The depth on his research on each case with the added "on site" tours really helps tell the story so we can grasp a better picture of what might have happened. Looking forward to the next one!
I first heard of this story when I read the Missing 411 books a decade ago (I can't believe it's been that long) and it has popped into my head every once in a while since. Not quite sure where I stand on the validity of it but I really enjoyed seeing the locations where he went missing from and was thankfully found. Keep up the great work!
Outstanding episode. I immediately subscribed to your channel. Thanks for putting so much work and information into this video to get most of the story - great research. Loved the drawings.
As someone who got lost in the Australian outback as a kid,you'd be surprised how far a terrified kid can walk.
I so agree with you. Many people say a 3 year old can't get far, as if they're toddling along. My 3 year old literally ran like the wind and would carry on running for no reason whatsoever and no one could keep up with her. Especially ADHD kids, they never ever stop, doesn't matter if they're dehydrated, hungry, tired, their bodies are always on turbo
They always underestimate the area that should be searched.
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what do you mean no one could keep up with her ? 😂
@@t377y7 Couldn't catch her. I once had to grab her ponytail before she ran under a train. We put baby reins on her but she'd scream the place down. I could run fast, faster than my husband, but when my daughter wanted to run off she was like a cheetah. I'm glad she's grown up now
Fr I remember my lil bb bro ran all the way down the road and I had to run after him in baggy pants lol what if my pants fell down 😂😂 he got pretty far tho, like 4-5 houses down the road. 😤
When my son was 4 he was taken out of a store by a stranger. He said he thought the man was his uncle (they both were tall, muscular and blonde) luckily I saw them leaving and chased them down, my son was fine. But I say all this to note that kids at this age only have small frames of reference for things even people they know well. If he encountered a person who looked even vaguely similar to his grandmother his mind could have come up with the rest of this story.
Well said, so true!
It could be that he was discovered by someone who lives out in the woods, took him back to where they lived (the figures could have been manequins and the guns could be legitimate guns) and checked him for any injuries. When they noticed that he was ok, they took him back to a spot they could be found and left.
@@zaneplatt3533 I see 2 problems with that explanation. Its not unreasonable but i just think that somebody would eventually notice guy living there, especially if he was somewhat near the spot that boy was found in. And then there would be a question how how, and why do you also carry many manequins into the forrest without also being noticed by others?
if the person cares enough about the kid to check them for injuries why would they leave them in a place alone to wait for help instead of waiting with them or taking them to help?@@zaneplatt3533
Idkkk.. my son is 3 and there have been times when he’s ran up to a woman who looks similar to grandma at the park, and once at the store he was saying hi grandma from down the aisle, but then quickly realized it wasn’t her once he got close. Unless the child is 0-2 years old, they can tell the difference between someone they know and someone they don’t, even if they look similar. Especially someone they know well. Unless they’re like identical twins I’ve seen even babies be able to tell the difference between people who look similar.
The concept of some entity masquerading as your relative and taking you away from your family is beyond terrifying.
Yes. He is fortunate that she returned him. It makes you wonder if the others in that cave were less fortunate victims who were placed in suspended animation(paralyzed) or if they were entities like her who were easily capable of remaining unusually still while watching.
@@cgsimons1187 first thing I thought when he said there were "other robots" that weren't moving! 👻
@@cgsimons1187Creepy! Assuming it’s true, I wonder what the being/beings reasons were. Why all the guns and bags? Why take the kid? Why take other people? Imagine being taken into a “dungeon” by an entity only to see standing paralyzed people down there. This thing could eat people for all we know.
I had someone pretend to my girlfriend and took me away from my family. Turns out she was a fake, she wasn't a robot, but rather, a gold digging whore! It is scarry, and it does happen!
It is also rather unpractical. Maquerading as someone whom you actually well know gives you the best chance to see though the mask. As even that boy did, turns out.
That little boy would be around 15 now. It would be interesting to find out how he’s been and what he thinks about his experience.
He was 3, probably doesnt remember shit
I mean, that show he featured on is only a few years old. It probably wouldn't be TOO different to when he was a tad younger, honestly. Hell, he may even remember less as puberty can muddle earlier memories for some people.
@@vangoghsseveredear i remember getting stuck in my parent's car at about 1 and a half
Some people can start remembering around then, extreme memorable events usually, sometimes though people who experience trauma will not remember a lot. Find this kid.
I'm 37 years old and I remember going to visit my grandad before he passed. I was 2 years old then. @@vangoghsseveredear
I starting to think the boy got tired, fell asleep and had a vivid dream. Bless. 😊
Exactly this. 🌌
And the grandma was already the kind of person who REALLY wants to believe in supernatural events even before this happened, so she ran with it.
@@ZeroKitsune the grandma's retelling of it on that show screws up when she says that he said at the time, "I dont like the other grandma cappy." If it were a true memory, Indiana would say, "I didnt like when you took me into the mine," and would not have thought the two grandmas were different beings.
Occams Razor = he fell asleep under the bush after wandering off and had a lucid nightmare about Robot Grandma. It may have been the first nightmare in his life he remembered.
It is possible but the fact the kid remembered it in detail long after the incident is quite remarkable if true. Dreams, even vivid ones, are rarely remembered in detail for longer than a day by most people.
I cannot recall in detail even my recurring nightmares from childhood. The boy remembering a one-off from when he was a toddler is pretty hard for me to believe
Real Occam's razor, the story is true as reported.
You understand these cases better if you listen to the totality of David Paulides' evidence. Look him up.
Thousands of cases that all line up...
I had a very vivid and frightening dream about 4 years old that I remembered for years. I remember some of it now, decades later.
@@user-te5po4bu8o Yeah, it is possible to remember vivid dream for years, but not in the same detail from when you first woke up from it and it was still fresh in your mind. After a while, you will remember only bits and pieces and not the whole details.
The "robot grandma" story has been living rent free in my head for years.. weird and creepy. Thank You 💜
Me too. The one about the 'bear' too.
Too weird to not be real. I think the beings wanted to make him feel safe so that they could use that against him by duplicating a loved one and used some crazy technology that was short circuiting lol 😂
Yeah I can see a three-year-old making up such a complex story unless it was real. It is far and away the craziest one I have ever heard. The only other one that creep me out was the skier that was jumping Large crevices running from some creature that scared him to death. The police were trying to find any explanation for that story to saying well maybe he was about to be in a diabetic coma you wouldn't jump death define crevasses for that my mom's blood sugar got very low they would not be able to do something like that. When my mom's blood sugar got low she was saying words but they were making no sense immediately went to the store and got some sugared orange juice. And jumped her ass for ever giving herself a shot and then going off to watch her grandkids without eating. People that have very low blood sugar cannot do normal things much less junk large crevices he was actually running from something and then he skied right off the cliff. That story scared me especially when the searchers said they felt like someone was watching them but the campy story is number 1 far way the weirdest. NASCAR pit aliens even though I 1000% believe the universe is teeming with life. In this case I really don't see another answer.
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@@saraparker184great name for metal band
This dude really puts a lot into his videos. Unfortunately on RUclips those who do the most work don't always get the most recognition.
That’s life in general I’m afraid
he has 200k wtf are you yappin ab 😭
@@nolenjohnson1038for real lol. He used to get millions of views and still sits in 6 figures easy that ain’t bad!
You do care!
He puts in a lot of work, no question about it but the guy has almost a quarter of a million subscribers. People have taken notice and he’s getting his well deserved recognition.
Something that came to mind watching this: there is an episode of SpongeBob in which Mr Krabs has a robot duplicate that takes his place-could Indiana have recently seen that before he went missing and that’s the basis for his story? Who knows, but this story is still very intriguing.
On another note, I cannot get enough of this channel. Every single video you put out is so captivating. Your objective viewpoint backed by what appears to be hours upon hours of research is not comparable to any other channel on RUclips. You stay neutral and let the evidence speak for itself and even go as far as visiting some of the sites in person to further grasp the story. 100/10 recommend. Keep it up!!
The most interesting thing about the family recounting their experience, was the proportion of the story being told by the grandmother.
Indiana barely spoke... and when he did start talking, his grandmother seemed to quickly interject, in order to finish the idea for him - Like she thought it was her story to tell. (Narcissistic red flags)
She seemed to be more excited to tell the story, than even he does.. probably, because she better understands the value of the paycheck they will receiving from the History Channel for their contribution to the production.
Also, Indiana's dissociated expression, as the other's exclaim their belief in the story... is quite telling.
It's the same expression I used to make as a child - when I felt the objectifying social pressure to perform for adults.
I hope the kid is okay....
Seems fishy, though.
I was also sussed on that shit, but I had to remind myself: this is dino-media channel. There also exists the possibility that the kid DID talk and told his whole story himself, but he was 12 year old spaghetti-all-over-lad, and the producers decided to go with the footage of the other two (reasons for which, you may theorize for yourself). The footage is certainly standard TV cut-up.
Sighhhhh 🙄
He does look a bit like he knows what's being talked about is made up. Could be he know's he made it up and is afraid he'll get in trouble if his family finds out or it could be that he already told his family he made it up and they told him to pretend he didn't.
@@skyekeating349 my thought is that he's more a victim of sorts. my theory is that he actually did get lost in the woods for a few hours, and either couldn't remember what happened, or he just inexplicably made up a story about it as children are known to do. maybe because he was so young he thought it was his fault that he got lost and was too embarrassed to say it? and then felt like he had to give a story that made it someone else's fault that he got lost so his parents wouldn't get mad at him. it's not reasonable for an adult or a teenager to think like that, but he was 3 at the time. 3 year olds just say and do things sometimes because they don't understand the world around them yet. often these types of stories come from movies, shows, books, etc. - including their advertisements - that the child then misinterprets and perhaps combines with other media, in a way that doesn't all connect together in teh child's mind.
he could've seen part of an episode of The Twilight Zone at a friend/family member's house, for example. or some missing persons type case on the History channel or something. i actually have a specific piece of media that i think could've contributed to this: the movie Hoodwinked, or its sequel. the former released in 2005, the latter in 2011. while not exactly the same, in Hoodwinked there's a character who pretends to be the protagonist's grandma for malicious purposes. and although i'm a few years older than this kid, i distinctly remember being creeped tf out by my memories of the movie. it just felt sinister to me, like a nightmare i'd had and remembered. i actually thought for a few years that it WAS some creepy memory i had made up, until i randomly ran across the movie again inline.
it makes perfect sense to me that the kid saw a trailer for the movie on TV, or it was put on when they went to visit a relative's house or something, and in lieu of remembering the actual movie, he just retained some ideas from the movie that scared him at the time, which then resurfaced due to the trauma of being lost. 3 year olds can have a hard time distinguishing reality from dreams/imagination/fiction anyway. i would guess he got lost, was so scared he dissociated, and his brain tried to fill in the gaps in memory by recontextualizing other scary memories. then his grandma claiming to believe something related happened to her, plus all the questioning and publicity, caused the false memory created out of stress to become cemented in his brain as something he has no other explanation for. it could have also happened in reverse, with him not having a story atfter he got lost, then later on seeing the movie but not remembering it very well, and then at some point his scary memories from around that time got intertwined with each other (again, likely due to others talking to him about it).
i think his expression in the interview is him trying to go back to that time/place to find his ACTUAL memories, not just what everyone around him is telling him that he said. clearly he mostly only remembers snapshots and emotions, and i don't think it's ever said whether he remembers telling that story the first time. obviously i don't know him, but it does seem to me like he's taking the word of his family rather than sharing his own actual memories. he just seems like he doesn't fully believe his own story for whatever reason. but if he doesn't have his own explanation, and everyone around his is telling him the same thing, i can't really blame him for not saying he doesn't necessarily agree. but again, i don't know him, and this is ENTIRELY speculation. i cannot and do not claim to know what he believes, how he feels, or what his memories are/aren't. this is just what i believe to be a likely series of occurrences that caused the whole case to seem mysterious.
@@pizzzaeater1425 I almost completely agree. Definitely about the origin of the story. I just think there might be a bit more malicious intent on the part of the grandmother. My speculation based on the interview is that he had already told his family it wasn't true but his grandmother either tried to convince him it was or simply told him to pretend it was when a TV show wanted to interview them. Whether the story is true or not, the kid did nothing wrong. I do think his grandmother might be pushing him to lie though, and if she is doing that then she is absolutely doing something wrong.
I haven't even started listening to this yet, but i want to say upfront, you are the premiere RUclips channel for stories of this type. You deserve much more recognition for the detailed analysis and thorough research you do. You dont churn out content, you make excellent content above and beyond what anyone else does who covers the same topics. Thank you for your excellent work, and hats off to you!🎩
He's definitely the best channel out here covering missing persons. Nothing else even comes close.
100% agree with you, love his stuff and am always excited when I see he's uploaded a new video!
The man literally even goes to the places things allegedly happened. This man is a genuine journalist and researcher.
Agree.. he has a bit of Serlingesque sound and look. Good channel.
@@BSIIItry again because he is not
I love how you actually go to the spots people went missing. Makes for a better story.
A cave or dungeon with a ladder sounds like a spider hole that some survivalist dug. The boy reported guns and purses on shelves which sounds like the inside of such a bunker. The "purses" could have been various military type bags or pouches. If it's just one trap door on the ground then that could be really hard to find. The person could cover it with leaves, etc, and you might never find it.
But think about building something that involved on public land. It sounds like it had to be deep in and then the ladder means even more digging to have another level. Remember the kid didn't use the ladder so the ladder wasn't the entryway
I think granny is a little nutty.
More like a place where cryptids live along with all the belongings of other missing people.
The whole thing is truly strange.
Sounds like my place.
Rambo! How are ya, son? 😃
When the little guy said , "they were doint experiments on me" and he not mentiong anything about being asked to poop on paper makes me think, Grandma is highly suggestive.
I have a healthy dose of scepticism but this event has intrigued me for years. I was disappointed when the Why Files reported no evidence of the grandmother existing. Very thorough coverage by this channel, great job man
They must be stupid, she's right there doing that TV interview.
Yeah AJ misses a lot of known facts in some of his presentations....
The why files is a lot of nonsense. A lot of his videos are of crap I can't wrap my head around. Like one about an ancient spacecraft orbiting earth called the black night satellite. Apparently it's been watching Earth for thousands of years. It's just ridiculous. But many of the comments on his videos seem to be so positive, so I'm not entirely sure what's going on with that channel
@@Pendragon1989 their is evidence of that satalite before humanity put their own into space...well documented....
@@stephenmarshall8367No, there isn’t. This crazy theory has been debunked hard.
Trust me, we all want to believe that there is something else out there but falling for obvious hoaxes isn’t going to help us find the real aliens.
Ive always wondered if instead of a cave, the kid was talking about an old mine? I grew up in Northern California (about 60 miles from Shasta) and it's littered with abandoned mines. Is there a list of abandoned mines in the Trinity forest?
My thoughts as well 👍 I can't see the use of a ladder in a cave.
Good thought
it's interesting how he called it a "dungeon" the second time
I cant help but feel like the grandma was very much leading the story. She already had a prior experience that she interpreted as "paranormal", she first posted the account on a relatively niche blog dedicated to paranormal stories (meaning she likely was already consuming such stories), she mentioned in the post that she was aware of Missing 411, etc. I cant shake the feeling that the grandma saw her opportunity (whether consciously or unconsciously) to be involved in this community that she read so much about and "helped" the grandson along. Clearly the boy's parents felt that this was the case.
When the blog post started mentioning believers and militia. I was like yup ofc.
It's troubling that the child speaks of "two different grandmas". This is a classic defense/coping mechanism of a child that has been molested by someone he knows and trusts. I'm not suggesting it was by his grandma, but it is interesting he mentions a "sinister, robotic grandma" when he talks about his time in the "cave", where his "stomach was touched and he was asked to poop on something". If someone asks you to poop on something, there is a good chance that your pants are down. This poor child...
@@sethstine4698That's also my first thought and I hope it didn't happen to him.
Don’t be a conspiracy theorist!!
@@sethstine4698I really don’t think any of that happened. The child simply got lost and grandma wanted some attention for it. That’s my guess. Obviously I don’t know for certain.
That feeling you get when a new Missing Enigma video drops...turn out the lights, mute your phone, get the popcorn. Great work Nick!
“Robot Grandma.” Would be a great name for a band.
Or a strain of smoke
The band members should all wear combat boots and house dresses.
I just want to say. I really respect that you not only went out to look for the cave, but when you found another trail, you tracked it back to the camp. I found that to be a really important piece since it doesn't show up in any reports, and only someone there could've shown it. It really does add evidence that's needed. Props to you
i'm pretty certain he's super sceptical of missing stories that have a supernatural take, but i did notice he was clutching that satellite phone the whole time he was on the trail, something i haven't seen him do when on other trails.
I love your investigative approach, dude. Your channel goes way beyond what most others are willing to do.
Second this. Aside from have a great speaking voice and nice pacing, I appreciate the detailed, open-minded approach that doesn't get too much into wild speculation or minimizing a missing person's experiences
I concur! 500%
Best in this genre! Truly one of the best channels on YT imo.
ditto
An ad every 3 minutes? This guy is a joke for putting in that many ads. Done with this channel. He's greedy
I think we all appreciate the time and effort that goes into the retelling of these tales. Not just the cursory 8 minute synopis done for clicks found on other lesser channels but an exhaustive deep dive with actual feet on the ground no less. The art work is damn good to boot, reminiscent of the artist that does Bedtime Stories. Outstanding work sir!
Mostly good art, but that drawing of the hole in the back of Grandma's head went a bit overboard with the aging on the hand, LOL. Looks like the hand of someone in their 90's, not 50's. 😆
@@audreymuzingo933 lol god I just saw that hand. It’s like the she’s being choked by a mummy!
@@pauulkubasek1815 IKR!
Hands down one of the VERY BEST channels and not just missing persons ! So thorough but also such cool chill dude ! And so very smart !!
This channel is CRIMINALLY underrated wtf! I have watched every single one of your videos and you put in the most thorough investigation. You LITERALLY go to some of these spots where the stories occur. You also stay as unbiased and professional. You toe the middle ground between fantasy and skepticism so well. You constantly keep an open mind until facts point in 1 direction or the other. Absolutely amazing!
I had a similar experience in the backwoods of Pennsylvania. I was out hunting by myself as my friend I was going with got sick. When I got to my spot my friend was there. He never said a word but motioned for me to follow. I kept trying to ask him what is wrong. He would not talk. He seemed to get angry and just walked away. To say I was freaked out is an understatement. Once I got in cell phone range I called my friend to make sure he was ok and not having a stroke or something. He said he just woke up and never left his room. He was freaked out too because when I said I seen you and you had a orange hat on. He told me the night before he was getting his gear and was planning on wearing an orange hat. That’s the last time I hunted in that spot.
Did this actually happen?
I wonder if it was something like astral projection
Your friend walked away and you just stayed? Fake story
I like this creative writing exercise but it’s people like you that create misinformation for actual missing persons cases to be confused with and you’re encouraging these conspiracy theorists to continue fantasizing
@@chilliLRKwhat do you honestly think?!?! Are you joking??
Kid: I got lost and saw another granma
Parent: ... weird dream
Gran: ROBOT GRANDMA! ALIENS! CALL THE NEWS!
Who doesn't love a good Robot Grandma story?
Me
Love? - creepy, and weird.
Me. I dont
Ah yes. Robot grandma. The old children's tale from the sea.
🤣
It does to me sound like what the parents were worried would happen did. The grandmother played into the imagination of a child and lead him to believe that it was true for much longer. Yes it is possible that something happened to that kid, but because he was young and scared, he didn't understand what was going on so his imagination filled in the blanks. And his grandmother wanted to believe him so badly, she created that false memory for him, possibly overwriting the actual memory. Kids do this a lot when put into confusing or scary situations, filling in blanks with nonsese from their imagination when they don't understand what's going on. And it is possible for that to become the childs actual memory of the situation, even if half of it was made up
Grandma was on forums like Above Top Secret. Sounds like the Drudge > Q > Alien pipeline to me
@@benmcnully2050for sure. That was what I was thinking.
I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if the boy was taken by a ‘wild person’ (basically a hermit in the area) who saw the boy and took pity on him cause she felt he wouldn’t survive without her help or something. Especially if he was lost, maybe the robots were corpses but of course that is hard to say. If the purses and guns were true, she may have stolen them from deceased, lost or other hermits in the area. And the robots were corpses that the boy reinterpreted to be robots cause that made sense to his brain. Or the boy just imagined other sleeping or sitting hermits as robots if this was a community of hermits. The sparkling could be from dew or just water that the hermit may have had which under the light sparkled or any other form of reflective surfaces. Maybe she did resemble Katty or was just some elderly woman who the child linked to Grandma Katty as it was an easier connection
Exactly
@@victory8928Statistically, young children are taken for very specific reasons, and are murdered within minutes to hours. Strangers don't like caring for an obnoxious toddler who is incredibly needy, as all toddlers are.
This story really strains credibility. Anyone with young kids knows they regularly make up wild stories. Especially when they're scared. Also, watching the grandma in the interview sealed it for me. She completely dominates the conversation and narrative. And when they ask the boy if he remembers he seems unsure. Pair that with the gramdma posting this to AboveTopSecret which is a pretty niche website and my suspicion is that the grandma is a UFO believer and involved in that scene and used her grandson's imagination to create this story.
Just because you are paranoid doesn’t mean there aren’t aliens kidnapping your grandson.
I disagree. Maybe I’m too hopeful, but would the grandma really capitalize on her grandson going missing? Because that part is true, the kid really was missing, and really was found by that bush.
I’d sooner believe the kid fell asleep or got knocked unconscious and had a wild dream over the grandma making all this up for her own gain.
Yes, my thoughts exactly. The very fact that she is on this website in the first place is the reason I can’t take this case seriously.
@@StumbIingforward I'm not saying the grandma made up the entire story. Obviously the child was lost and later found. It's the whole Robot Grandma thing that's ludicrous. I'm certain the boy told people that's what happened but anyone with children knows they tell you all kinds of wondrous tales.
No she's obviously a cyborg
As someone who shares the experience of going through something abnormal and then going on television to try and tell the story, I'm glad to see that the directors and producers allowed them to tell their story without any extra mush attached. Trying to be genuine with a director who just wants suspense is hell. Keep up the good work!
What did you go through? When were you on TV?
I'd also love to know about your experience. What happened, when, and then your subsequent experience relaying it. If you find the time it would be appreciated! Thanks.
@@SC-ec8xe I'm gonna go with....OP made it up and hasn't come up with a good enough story to tell
I had a sasquatch encounter in the North Cascades in 2021 and i refuse to tell my story in real life anymore.
There’s nothing worse than sharing a reality shattering traumatic experience and just have people laugh at your face and call you a liar.
@@SC-ec8xe Thanks for the interest and sorry it took so long to reply, I'm just now seeing these comments. This is the real story, as the one you will hear on In Search of Monsters is filled with omissions and fluff because they wouldn't let us tell the full story.
This was mid 2010's in northwest Wisconsin at a youth retreat, over the course of 3 days something was stalking the campgrounds and messing with us, or at least some of us. The night before camp I was there with a friend to help set up and while sitting in the main cabin talking and playing cards I was absent-mindedly staring out the window at a moth when after a few seconds I thought to myself that it was weird I could only see the wings and not the body. Immediately after thinking this, I realized the wings were eyes and in that moment the pair of eyes backed up and whatever it was moved away from the window and the light from a nearby light post illuminated the window again. The fact that it was big enough to completely block the window made me concerned that it was a bear, but there wasn't much I could do except lock the doors and hope for the best.
Thankfully nothing happened that night and so I just kinda kept it to myself. But on the second day while everyone was together in a clearing listening to our leader explain the rules for a game, something growled right next to me and I jumped and looked to my right expecting to see a dog or something but there was nothing there. My brother was about 10 feet ahead of me in this group of about 30 kids and I was at the back. He turned around because he thought I made the noise but I shook my head no and we both looked around for anything but found nothing. The weirdest part is that none of the other kids heard it, no one else turned around or even looked in my direction. After this I told my brothers about my experience but we weren't sure about telling everyone else because this was a christian youth retreat and we weren't expecting, "There's some kind of entity stalking the camp," to go over well with anyone so we stayed alert and told a couple people we trusted.
That evening after dark, everyone was doing their own thing as was tradition at this camp, my brother (the one who also heard the growl) and a friend of his went to their cabin to get stuff for ultimate frisbee. Their cabin was at the top of the hill closest to the woods for reference, so they went to grab or drop off some stuff and as the came out they looked off into the woods to their left and they saw a weird shape partially hiding behind a tree. One of them nervously joked, "That kinda looks like a person." to which the other agreed and as they continued to look the thing started moving out from behind the tree and they both froze. They said it was light grey almost like smoke when you shine a flashlight on it but it had pale white eyes, they said it was hard to make out any other features partially because they were scared but also because it was almost all grey. After what must have been only 5-10 seconds the thing jolted towards them and they ran. From my perspective I was down the hill and heard my brother shouting, "Oh I'm done! I'm so done!" as he sprinted down the hill with his friend. As he got to me he was crying and as I calmed him down some other kids were gathering and asking what was wrong. He told me what happened and I immediately went to the camp leader and told him there was something in the woods. He saw that my brother had been crying and the other kid had a thousand mile stare and was pale as a sheet so he confined everyone to their cabins for the evening and made sure everyone had a buddy when they went outside. Supposedly they heard or saw something moving out in the woods when they went to investigate but it was inconclusive.
The night passed and everyone went home the next day. We never figured out what it was but I had heard that another christian youth group that used the campgrounds later that summer had some kind of experience with something getting into one of the cabins at night but when we asked they wouldn't tell us much because "Speak of the devil and he will appear." Later on my brother made a post on reddit about our experience and eventually some producer saw it and asked us to be on their new show called In Search of Monsters. It was interesting seeing the process of shooting scenes and stuff, but the episode was about the Wendigo and so they only let us talk about what they thought would be interesting for their story. I personally was super uncomfortable because they made us stand and talk in ways that weren't our natural mannerisms so it made us look pretty awkward. It's funny to look back on and watch our episode from time to time but they definitely didn't do our story justice, so I'm glad these guys had a more genuine retelling.
I personally think the little boy simply made up the story.
One of my girls use to tell a lot of stories, so much so, we would look forward to her telling us new ones. Little kids can come up with some amazing stories.
One thing I want to know is if this three year old boy knew the difference between his dreams and his reality. How did he refer to other dreams he had? Did he confuse them with real life events? Because the most logical explanation is that he ran off down that trail, eventually got tired and fell asleep under that bush, had a vivid dream, then woke up to the dog finding him. There's no need to go all paranormal when things just line up like this.
And grandma most likely did have a spider bite, if it affected her like she said it did. A simple DNA sample shouldn't make her sick. Spider venom would.
But whatever knocked her out so they could take the dna sample could make her sick… or make they put something *in* 😬
Yeah the story is such bs.
This story stuck in my mind for years when I first heard it. Thank you for covering it.
I cannot believe the amount of information you found on this story. You investigate so thoroughly, I had no idea this family was featured on a tv show to talk about the incident, of all the videos and books I have read on this event, you had so much more detail. No one has read the online posts of the story or shown the tv segment. I have read all of David Paulides' books and listened to his radio segments mainly for entertainment value and I have maintained a degree of skepticism. The more I learn about these stories, the more I realize that he is not investigating enough to have meaningful discussions on the cases. I really enjoy the depth of your content.
I believe what this child is saying. Having had a few strange incidents happening to me as a child, I know firsthand that just because something hasn't happened to me, certainly doesn't mean the incident didn't happen!!! Unfortunately, because I had things happen to me, some would be inclined to not believe. I don't think people refuse to believe what happened, but they're more afraid that if they do believe it happened, it forces them to realize that strange things could happen to them!
That guy will block you so fast on his channel. Not worth it trying to have a real discussion.
@@UncoolForYouHe probably gets bothered by annoying idiots all the time. .
&He doesn't owe you a debate
@@yeetnama9094he owes us everything especially me, and im getting an interview either way wether he wants to or not you'll see
@@yeetnama9094He does owe his readers and others a debate when he's lying and making money off the suffering of the loved ones involved.
The quality of your research and presentation is unbelievable. You approach the topics with an open, but analytical mind. You are like Mulder and Scully combined. Keep up the great work!!
Came for the robot grandma. Stayed for the campground-dumpster review.
Top-tier bear management, your parking/camping fees and tax dollars at work lol
A couple things bother me. Mostly with the History channel segment and how it reflects on the story. It's kind of put forth as "From the child himself" to reinforce the story, but the child only recounts a very small almost insignificant part of the story. It's mostly just the grandmother retelling the story, and that's who we got the original telling of the story from. Also, it seams the completely omitted the "Poop on sticky paper" part. Which is the most bizarre and compelling part. I really would've liked to have the child tell the majority of the story in his own words. Regardless, great video as usual TME, solid work.
although I am not convinced of this story, in fairness, at the age this supposedly occurred, he would be very unlikely to retain those memories with any fidelity into adulthood.
I disagree, the boy relaying what little he remembers assured me of his authenticity.
Grandmother was always upfront with her recollecting the story.
@@TheAlgorath Kids make stuff up, and their imaginations are near limitless. Some of the stories my own kids came up with were true whoppers, just off the rails.
I concur. Would've brought a lot more credence to the story if the boy told it
@@elenchus 3 years old is about the earliest I can remember having any memories. I do have a few detailed memories from that age, though. It's possible to remember something like this, in my opinion.
15:40 She's describing going into fight or flight. I got that exact feeling all the time before I diagnosed with complex PTSD, and still experience it every single day.
The human mind is an amazing organ. Even when it malfunctions, it's just trying to protect us.
yep, i was like oh! i feel that way every second of every day!!
As a fellow PTSD haver, I agree, and you have my empathy.
@hohner7134 That works too. ❤️
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I believe that the grandmother believes her grandson and she comes across as a genuinely concerned person wanting to protect her grandson while also being open to what may actually be out there. That's enough for me to believe that something happened out there. I've heard this story a few times over the years (DP comes to mind), but this feels like the most indepth depiction, especially with hiking out there. It also seems like if there is a ladder involved, there's a good chance that this cave or dungeon is underground and that you may not necessarily be looking for the typical cave-like entrance in the side of a mountain... maybe something more akin to a disguised manhole cover sort of entrance. Anyway, I love this channel and the effort you put into each case. Everything is done with a sense of respect and intrique, and the artwork is the cherry on top. Keep it up and I'll still be here when you hit your first million subs. Nice work.
If you’ve ever gone caving, you’d know that most have ladders in them, even the “traditional” hole in the side of mountain.
who does the artwork? def captures strange looking faces, not quite human...
You can push a memory or experience away, especially if it's never repeated, and tell yourself it didn't really happen. Then the same thing happens to your kid or grandkid and you can't deny it any longer because you feel a need to protect them. Grandma knew what was up long before her grandson had this experience.
@bobs5596 the artwork was mostly taken from the channel Bedtime Stories, I'm assuming he probasked if he could use them for that reason.
@@bobs5596the hands are creepy....
I would really like to see Missing Enigma do episodes on the Jamison Family Bart Schleyer and Prabhdeep Srawn cases as those ones are beyond baffling and creepy
Will have to look into these as I've never heard of them before. Cheers 👍
This is absolutely infuriating. As a personality researcher (familiar with human behavior and psychology), it's blatantly obvious what's occured-the boy created comforting thoughts and images to cope during the time he was alone and scared, then the grandmother fused a prior experience she had with her grandsons far more significant experience. She then proceeded to potentially traumatize the boy repeatedly, even after the parents forbade her from questioning him on more than one occasion.
Due to the heightened emotions converging with these various experiences, she and her grandson have now formed new tangible memories which have been carefully crafted subconsciously over a period of time. As a mother, this is particularly disturbing. Shame on this woman for selfishly making her family relive such a traumatic experience over and over, without any care or consideration for her actions and their repercussions. She's unbelievably toxic.
Yes! Thank you!
You have very good and fair points, but open your mind! There are things out there in the wilderness that we have very little understanding of. Things where your knowledge in human personality and psychology, simply don’t apply
@@ayinwithnoyang Or you can stop spreading lies and misinformation and encouraging people to believe in any random thing with zero evidence just because they feel emotional about it.
@@ZeroKitsune I’m not one to lie, let alone lead others astray, for what?
I think it’s telling that neither of the parents were part of the interview. 😢
“pooping on sticky paper” is the name of my autobiography.
The name of my band. The band name " Electric Grandma " Poop On The Paper " ! my first single .
😆
Maybe an older woman who happened to resemble his grandma tried to kidnap him but then had second thoughts for some reason, and his kid imagination just added a lot of enmeshment about a cave and robots and stuff a 4 year old thinks is cool. Or probably far more likely he just dreamed it that night and then a year later his kid brain couldn't remember if that was a dream or actually happened
Your username made me do a double take
Solid input, Bigfoot. Takes one to know one, huh?
I really love your channel. You manage to be both open minded without being gullible, and skeptical without being dismissive. Thanks for consistently putting out such high quality and well researched content on this topic.
I love the unassuming way you deliver content and the diligence and enthusiasm you bring to this unique and completely original channel. It all adds to making something very impressive.
This is amazing. I really appreciate your thoroughness in covering these stories. You never resort to sensationalism (unlike pretty much everyone else on YT), yet you're also not afraid to consider all the details of a story, no matter how strange. And your end analysis is always sober and well considered. Your approach should be the norm, whether the topic is missing persons, UFOs, or the daily news. Unfortunately, you seem to be one of the few who can do this objectively. I hope this rubs off on others. At any rate, I love your channel. Please keep up the great work. Cheers!
I have been a diehard fan of your channel for awhile now. I love your approach to the cases you cover. You have so much compassion and strive to give a non biased opinion founded on facts and common sense. I love your channel. Keep kicking ass!.
😂😂...get a bf!
@@daystar4058bro what
Just viewed this channel for the first time. I like the presentation, and the type of comments I am seeing along with it. Too often, this subject matter attracts people who want to push a worldview.
I grew up and lived in Mt. Shasta for 30 years, until just recently. Fun to see old stomping grounds on an episode. Some info on the area. Its a volcanic zone and you are essentially walking on top of ancient lava flows. Meaning there are tiny openings and caves everywhere. Most are extremely hard to spot in that area but small openings around water ways is common. There's even Lava Beds Nat'l Monument a few miles up the road. Which is a very substantial cave system. The McCloud river trail unofficially runs many miles in both directions. Worth also noting, around the time this took place. There were big problems with Mexican cartel grows and other illegal grows all over the general area South of there. MT. Shasta and the grows attracts a lot of people with questionable mental stability and beliefs. All in all it should be no surprise to come across weird folks squatting the in the woods. Such as an unstable person living in a cave? On top of that this is bear and cougar country. Glad the boy was found safe and healthy in the end.
Everyone is so interested in the paranormal aspect that I think explanations like this are overlooked. My first thought in all of this was a potential hermit that was squatting in a cave, found the child and helped them in some weird, mentally unstable way. The child was just filling in gaps and details in a way he understood, but I think the grandmother was too eager and jumped to an ET abduction when given the chance to.
Do you have an opportunity to go back anytime? It may be invaluable for someone with your intimate knowledge of this region to find potential caves in the area that Indiana was found in. I don't think anything like the exact cave full of guns and purses would be found, per se, but if there's signs that people do hide out in these cave systems, it may give more credence to a more normal explanation of what could've happened.
they should hire you to solve the mysteries!
I want to corroborate your comment by saying I know of someone who admitted to working for a grow operation for the cartel in California. That person is dead now unfortunately from unrelated causes.
@@wat5713 dam liberal soft-on-crime California policies allowing cartels to grow marajuana...
This makes the most sense along with Victory8928's explanation of dew or drops of water (could have even been spider webs stuck to their clothing) being hit by sunlight when the person climbed the ladder to look out, possibly to see if any searchers were in the area. People who spend a lot of time in the woods are very aware of when things are 'different' than normal like a search effort is going on. My guess is if it was a hermit that had the boy for a while is that the boy got too close to the entrance of his/her home base and waited for the rescuers in the area to clear out and then led the boy to an area away from there and in line to where the search would to go next. The last thing a person living off in the woods by themselves wants is to bring attention to their existence there.
I am happy with this explanation. As crazy as any of this is I can see this as plausible.
I knew a guy that went camping around the exact same area, and when I told him about your video, he freaked out because he had an experience where his dead grandfather walked out of the woods and beckoned him towards a cave.
He had never heard of robot grandma before, but when I told him, he went pale white, like he had seen Satan
Shit's fucking creepy, man...
Wow, Thankyou for sharing!
That is frightening. How did your friend react? Did he approach the figure? Did he run away? I want to read the rest.
Please tell more...
@@angrymothshe’s lying
I was a nanny for years, and kids come up with the most wild and elaborately detailed stories imaginable. I’ve heard all sorts of bizarre and even terrifying things come out of a kids mouth, and none of it was true. They have absolutely amazing imaginations!
This was very much encouraged by the grandma. I could already tell from her writing/post on an incredibly niche website that she was one of “those” kinds of people, especially with how she spoke, and then seeing her dominate the interview of the BOYS experience really did seal the deal. She’s one of ~those~ crazies, and I don’t doubt for a second that she believes what she’s saying (what her grandson said), but that does not make it true.
I don’t believe this story (other than a child going missing) for a second. 🤷🏻♀️
A robot clone of his grandmother kidnapped him and made him poop on sticky paper? Yeah…no. lol
But have you ever been a robot nanny?
I believe it.
@@louiseanderson1505 you should be committed then lol.
If Indiana told his dad the same story and that can be confirmed, then it eliminates the idea that the grandmother implanted it
@@zaneplatt3533 I’m really not interested in a debate with people who think a holographic robot grandma making people poop on sticky paper is real lol. If you’ve never been around kids or haven’t been around them enough to know that this is normal behavior for them, then I don’t know what to tell you. You need your head checked lol.
The reference to the guns and purses is, to me, the most intriguing part. Many people, including numerous hunters, have gone missing in the Mt Shasta area and if the guns, etc are there it would certainly point to a single party or group responsible for many of those disappearances.
(I have to add that the "Robot Grandma" sounds like a dance they might do down at the retirement home,)
I would've loved to hear the entire story from the boy. Telling us everything he can remember.
He prob can’t remember anymore. They lose their baby memories around 5 years old❤
Without his grandma present to influence the story
The gran was too busy leading the story and running away with it
Omg! A sequel to the video that first brought me to your channel! Now THIS is exciting!
Instead of a cave it could’ve been an old mine entrance from the 1800s, that would have wood ladders to get to upper levels in the mine.
Good call.
I like how you tell the story and how you follow up at the place and time that they're we're missing I like that just to give us idea of the view around the missing person
The fact that the kid never said the ‘grandma’ was his actual grandma is significant to me. He knew it wasn’t her. There was never a time when he said grandma you were there.
Because it sparkled ya dingus listen to the movie
@@bradlauk1419 Get help.
@@bradlauk1419nothing sparkled my dingus
Still hands down the most honest, thorough, and understated investigatory channel on youtube. Keep it up, man. Your content is truly gold.
Your channel is the perfect balance of skeptic and believer. I admire how you are willing to consider both sides of a topic without dismissing either one. So unusual in this genre believe me.
So true. I can believe there are things we don’t know about but it’s actually limiting to just chalk everything up to aliens or Bigfoot. How about we just ask more questions instead?
One of the most bizarre cases you've ever covered. So many strange details. Thanks for digging deeper and going on location. It would be awesome if you stumbled across the cave some day. Thanks for all you do. This one is going to reside in the back of my mind till we get better answers.
Dude you have always put 100% effort into your videos, the sketches are phenominal. Do you draw those yourself ? Anyway, I have to say, I watched your channel grow for a while now and you really have ramped up the video quality and depth as of recently. Love your channel, keep up the great work. I too am very passionate about these cases because not only are they intriguing, but there just is so much misinformation when it comes to the facts. What you do is so important to those interested, so thanks for that.
Man you do such an excellent job with your videos. Such extensive detail and never pushing any narrative just exploring in detail the information available and leaving all or no possibilities open. Not to mention the awesome drawings and actual on-sure visits!
Thank you for blessing us on this Thursday
This episode has EVERYTHING and cements your channel as one of my favourite RUclips channels ever. The amount of details you put in your videos is mind-blowing without ever veering into crazy nonsense even though some subject matters as this one are way out there. You are very careful to point out the information one can logically accept based on verifiable evidence and those which should be taken with a grain of salt. Needless to say, I greatly appreciate you and your effort in bringing us contents like these. 💙
Bravo!
You put David palidus of missing 411 to shame with your diligence in digging for facts but still keeping the topics interesting and entertaining.
Keep it up!
You have a bright future.
Paulides is a fraud. Missing Enigma has proven that in a number of videos where he covers Missing 411 stories.
I read an account of a couple who developed such bad headaches, their camping trip was ruined in Mt. Shasta area. They were with another couple who told this story. It was just bizarre, and tragic, with them dying.
David Paulidis brings the stories to the masses and you dig in and boil it down to facts - stories that are so interesting and amazing - thank you!
As soon as you revealed the steep hillside, my mind immediately thought of a cave opening in the side of it. I hope you, or someone, eventually fully investigates the steep hillside and all of its rocky surfaces..
Please... I hope no one wastes another minute on this bs stories. There's much better cases of high strangeness that don't come from an attention seeking nut like this grandma that should be examined first.
It's crazy this is free. Thank you for all the work you've put into this. So interesting!
This is the absolute best channel in the genre, Lore Lodge being its only equal. No one else goes to the locations like this, which adds invaluable detail and context to stories that have been told so many times. But everyone else just regurgitates the same tired tales. This channel is thorough and absolutely unique!
Check out Bedtime Stories. It's not quite the same, but it's very fun and has a similar theme and art style.
Also Mr. BALLEN, HE DOES MORR TRUE CRIME THESE DAYS BUT HE DID A LOT OF MISSING 411 STUFF EARLY ON.
@@BATM_Media MrBallen is for sure the best storyteller! But for missing persons channels specifically, this and Lore Lodge are the sh*t.
@@BATM_Media I've actually seen a few of these lately and an considering subscribing. Thanks for the recommendation!
That injury on the back of the Grandma's neck reminds me of the 50's movie Invaders From Mars where the Martians poke humans with a needle in the back of the neck to turn them into robots.Also in that movie the Martians were hiding underground.
The level of detail that goes into each and every one of your videos is so impressive. Easily my favorite channel on RUclips!
This reminds me of people who see loved ones when they have an NDE. How do they know these are really their deceased relatives and not an evil entity using "glamor" or shapeshifting to make one feel comfortable which in turn allows them to be manipulated.
@hectorlamar806 on the topic of NDE's you bring up a very good point that some folks have shed some light on. The trick is simple: If you see "loved ones" during an NDE -especially if they are encouraging you to come to them- but don't see Jesus, simply ask "Where is Jesus?" And the illusion will unravel. "You say you believe there is one God. You do well. Even demons believe this, and tremble" James 2:19. In short, what people often see in an NDE isn't a peek of heaven, but a deceptive welcome into a false paradise. "You don't need Jesus, you can die and come be with us." is their tagline. Good call my friend.
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@@louiseanderson1505 What is?
When I saw this episode pop up in my cue, I jumped right on it! I really like the way you cover things. You remind me of so many guys I knew from the mid to late 70's that it's uncanny. Always looking forward to the next episode!
He reminds me too of a boy that was in my class in the 5th grade. Oliver Larson.
You're like a newfangled Rod Serling, i love it 😄
I’ve watched a few videos on this case. This is the most in depth one. Learned a lot of info that’s not included/left out in the others. Thanks for taking us out to the spot to investigate. Job well done sir.
Compliment sandwich time.
Very much enjoy your channel and nearly all your videos. Mad respect to your willingness to be open minded but also reasonable and the fact you often visit these remote locations.
In longer videos, it often gets confusing when you read lengthy quotes, stories, poems, reports. It can be tough to differentiate from your narration. In radio days, we'd call for a "reset" where host/dj does a brief station ID, set-up.
Your attention to detail and ability to secure actual, legit law enforcement and legal documents is impressive. Thanks
I have the exact same problem bite on neck and symptoms are identical to hers. I've had a few weird things happen to me and my family honestly. Also I love that you're the only RUclips channel that can be bothered to actually investigate this story! You are amazing! Thank you for the hard work!
I believe what this child is saying. Having had a few strange incidents happening to me as a child, I know firsthand that just because something hasn't happened to me, certainly doesn't mean the incident didn't happen!!! Unfortunately, because I had things happen to me, some would be inclined to not believe. I don't think people refuse to believe what happened, but they're more afraid that if they do believe it happened, it forces them to realize that strange things could happen to them!
Do you remember much about what happened or just the after parts with the bite on your neck, did other members of your family have similar experiences? Just feeling curious because I wondered when I heard her describe being out of the tent with the mark on her neck, what she remembered of the experience.
Find Jesus & it will stop
@@paulclarkkk3065😂😂😂 okay buddy….
Dude. This is stellar. Thanks for all the effort. I feel compelled to binge watch all your stuff now. Great job, seriously.
I love how you go to the locations , especially in videos like this where you find that trail that nobody reported that changed my entire opinion of the case
the grandma talked about the trail in her post. he paused the video and did a voiceover about how he forgot she talked about it
I just sorted videos by popular, watched robo grandma, then clicked this video not even noticing they're related. Beautiful. I love the attention to details in all your videos.
Has anyone from the police department or the searchers that were present at the time actually confirmed that these people (that have gone out of their way to net 15 minutes of fame) were the real kid, sister, and grandma that were the subjects of the events from 2011?
Good question
Hey there missing enigma your videos really help with my depression. Thanks for the upload. 🎉
Hey man the drawings on this case were amazingly good I would love to have a print of this episode. Much respect as always, what new cases are coming up?
He's truly an amazing artist 🖤
The next video actually won't be a missing person case, but a little documentary I made about a UFO hotspot. Following that, we will be doing a couple cases from Crater Lake NP.
@@insufferableMAYNARDfan I love the drawings.
@@TheMissingEnigma I love crater lake! The old man of the lake is crazy!
@@TheMissingEnigmaplease read my other comment. I had an idea to use the time he went missing to calculate possible cave locations. Much luv❤😊❤
I can confirm Missing enigma didnt find the cave. But he did do his business on the sticky paper & left it on the trail for robot nana. What a legend!
And robot Nana used that sample to make missing enigma clones, which are now out there roaming the mountainside helping robot nana to get her next victims
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An ad every 3 minutes? This guy is a joke for putting in that many ads. Done with this channel. He's greedy
@@stephpom5373did anyone ask? This is probably how he makes his income
@@couchman-sw6jy every 3 minutes is unbelievablely greedy. He can put in ads but only the greedy will have them run every 3 minutes. Plus he just recycles content
27:11 very cool I can’t believe you actually went there , awesome video man good job
Such a great channel. no other missing persons channel goes to the site like you do and that is invaluable. please continue to do that when you can as it adds so much to the story/setting
I find this case fascinating. So many people have similar stories to tell about samples being taken, that it make me wonder if something isn't going on out there. That being said, I love your practical, pragmatic approach always. I guess this is one that we will just never know. I would love for you to interview this boy once he comes of age to see if he has experienced other incidents of missing time or being visited or taken for samples again.
Dude, you really put in the work here. Thank you so much. I've been hearing this story for so long, seeing the actual spot where he was found and the campground was incredible!
Ohh boy. Mount Shasta. Been there a number of times in the 90s. One of the freakiest places I've ever been. The mountain itself terrified me the first time I was there. It resonates with a very intense, weird energy. Stories of missing people and UFOs/UAPs did abound, even back then.
This is the best investigation into this case I've ever seen and even without answers, the presentation doesn't leave you disappointed with that because of the length you went to and the quality of the video. You have an absolutely awesome channel, had to subscribe. Thank you James Franco!
''the other grandma''is such an eerie sentence.
My team Glasgow Rangers are just about to play a big match. Something to look forward to afterwards 🙌
I’ve seen / experienced a couple of strange things myself so I wouldn’t dismiss what happened to the boy. The grandma also had something happen to her a year before. It would be easy to say the boy dreamt or imagined it but for the grandma’s own experience I tend to believe him. Something happened and it might’ve just been some survivalists or cult in the cave.
im thinking cult
Just cracked open my lunchtime six pack and missing enigma posts yassssssssss
This has been my favorite/most intriguing case I've seen. You doing this extra work on it puts you Leagues above every other channel in my opinion.
Another fantastic video. I don't know any other content creator who puts as much effort as you do into their videos. Thank you so much for the work you do! 😊💕
This is by far one of my most favorite channels! The depth on his research on each case with the added "on site" tours really helps tell the story so we can grasp a better picture of what might have happened. Looking forward to the next one!
I first heard of this story when I read the Missing 411 books a decade ago (I can't believe it's been that long) and it has popped into my head every once in a while since. Not quite sure where I stand on the validity of it but I really enjoyed seeing the locations where he went missing from and was thankfully found. Keep up the great work!
Another amazing video! It was this channel that first introduced me to the "robot grandma" story. So creepy! Thank you!
Outstanding episode. I immediately subscribed to your channel. Thanks for putting so much work and information into this video to get most of the story - great research. Loved the drawings.
Im glad you done this. Literally everything else just goes over the basic story and no deeper.