QQ and AK don't mind 3 bets but generally hate 4 bets (at least in my hands) in live cash. Always villain dependent, but if a non-maniac rec puts in a 4 bet it screams KK+ I picked up a love of suited connectors playing limit where multiway pots are standard....I too had to learn that in no-limit their value goes way down, especially non-Broadway.
Great content! Thanks for this vlog. I am somewhat skeptical about worrying too much about flush over flush. That's a fairly rare occurrence --someone once did an analysis of the odds of someone being dealt a suited hand of *any* suit if you have a suited hand, much less the same suit as yours, and found it to be a small percentage of hands overall. My intuition is that just getting it in at 100bb or less with any two-card flush in low-limit games will be profitable over time. (All this assumes only three suited cards on the board, of course.) Sure, flush over flush happens, but statistically not that great a chance of it. What's your sense of this?
Thanks! Yes, I agree with you. When 100BB deep, I wouldn't worry about it. Chances are small indeed. But it is a different beast when you play live and you are 200+BB deep. First of all, there will typically be more players in the pot, so that increases the chances of someone having a higher flush. And secondly, when it happens, you will lose a loooot of BB. And it will still be super difficult to get away from it, when you have a flush. I am going to talk more about this in my Ask Me Anything Live stream (probably in 2 weeks).
This is a very good point… it’s kind of like when you flop middle set and get raised. Oh my God he might have top set…. Well if he does, he does. Same with the flush …if you have the queen high flush, great maybe he has the Ace hi flush… so what…get the money in …. unless you’re 300 BB deep.
JTs has a lot to do I think with Doyle Brunson's "Super System", in which he wrote about that hand's power, particularly that all two-card straights it makes are nut straights.
Today’s session I folded QQ pre flop. UTG opened to 15 and UTG+1 3 bet to 50 , I was UTG+2 re raise to 150, UTG folded and +1 jam all in got me covered. I tanked for 20 seconds and folded. Not sure if I played it right. May I ask for your thoughts?
Thanks, in order to answer this question correctly, I would need to know your stack depth and potentially any reads about the guy who jammed. But assuming that you were pretty deep and the guy is not a maniac, I think it was a good fold. He 3bet and then 5bet jammed over a cold 4-bettor. His range there is AA, KK, maybe some QQ and if he is more on the maniacal side, then maybe some JJ. This is me being generous because if he is a recreational player, then I'd be tempted to say this is AA with a tiny bit of KK and AK. And your QQ are basically dead against that range.
Thanks for your reply. Your video helps me on my skill a lot. Stack depths at that point was more then 200 big blinds deep and he got me covered by a lot. He tanked looks like thinking about something for couple seconds and jam. Thanks again
With three flush cards on a board run out, how likely is it that your opponent is holding two higher flush cards? If they move in before the river, could they be holding A x?
The more players there are, the more likely it is. And the deeper we are, the more costly it gets. And yes, if they move in before, they could have the A of that suit, but many players in live poker will play that more passively.
That is true. But when I'm only 100BB deep, I will play KK just like AA. I wouldn't ever fold KK preflop at this depth. It's a very different story if you're 200+BB deep.
Recreational players always 3-bet or 4-bet with AA, KK, and AK. This are the candidates for a shove all-in. Unless the recreational player is a maniac, expect the maniac to shove all-in with Broadway suited like JT.
also - I was impressed to see the EV chart for all the hands / it's extreme how just a few hands make all the money (AA, KK, QQ and AK only)! Maybe you can comment on that in your next Q & A, I would be interested to hear more about what that can practically mean for our range construction
Yeah you are right although I wouldn't say the squeeze was a 4bet because the straddle is not a raise, but whether the shove is a 5-bet or a 6-bet doesn't really make much of a difference.
Yep that is true. That's exactly the reason why playing tight is a good strategy. You're not going to win a lot with your 86s anyway, so why take the variance to even open it? I will talk about this in my next Ask Me Anything (probably in 2 weeks).
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Very informative thanks!
Glad to hear that it provided some value.
QQ and AK don't mind 3 bets but generally hate 4 bets (at least in my hands) in live cash. Always villain dependent, but if a non-maniac rec puts in a 4 bet it screams KK+ I picked up a love of suited connectors playing limit where multiway pots are standard....I too had to learn that in no-limit their value goes way down, especially non-Broadway.
Exactly! When they get 3bet, they can still be good, but against a 4bet, they are drawing extremely thinly.
Spot on. Thanks for these insights.
Glad this provided some value.
Loved this one, nice work Andreas
Thank you, appreciated!
Great incite on over played hand thanks Andreas.
Thanks! Glad to hear that the video provided some value.
Getting those flushes or straights against top pairs with suited connectors is so good but it so rarely seems to happen.
I know. Especially in live poker, where you don't play many hands an hour it can take months for this to happen.
agree 76ss is head up hand only.
Great content! Thanks for this vlog. I am somewhat skeptical about worrying too much about flush over flush. That's a fairly rare occurrence --someone once did an analysis of the odds of someone being dealt a suited hand of *any* suit if you have a suited hand, much less the same suit as yours, and found it to be a small percentage of hands overall. My intuition is that just getting it in at 100bb or less with any two-card flush in low-limit games will be profitable over time. (All this assumes only three suited cards on the board, of course.) Sure, flush over flush happens, but statistically not that great a chance of it. What's your sense of this?
Thanks! Yes, I agree with you. When 100BB deep, I wouldn't worry about it. Chances are small indeed.
But it is a different beast when you play live and you are 200+BB deep.
First of all, there will typically be more players in the pot, so that increases the chances of someone having a higher flush.
And secondly, when it happens, you will lose a loooot of BB.
And it will still be super difficult to get away from it, when you have a flush.
I am going to talk more about this in my Ask Me Anything Live stream (probably in 2 weeks).
This is a very good point… it’s kind of like when you flop middle set and get raised. Oh my God he might have top set…. Well if he does, he does.
Same with the flush …if you have the queen high flush, great maybe he has the Ace hi flush… so what…get the money in …. unless you’re 300 BB deep.
@@LivePokerGuidegreat response!!!
JTs has a lot to do I think with Doyle Brunson's "Super System", in which he wrote about that hand's power, particularly that all two-card straights it makes are nut straights.
Ah yes! That's it. And it is indeed a nice hand.
Today’s session I folded QQ pre flop. UTG opened to 15 and UTG+1 3 bet to 50 , I was UTG+2 re raise to 150, UTG folded and +1 jam all in got me covered. I tanked for 20 seconds and folded. Not sure if I played it right. May I ask for your thoughts?
Thanks, in order to answer this question correctly, I would need to know your stack depth and potentially any reads about the guy who jammed.
But assuming that you were pretty deep and the guy is not a maniac, I think it was a good fold. He 3bet and then 5bet jammed over a cold 4-bettor. His range there is AA, KK, maybe some QQ and if he is more on the maniacal side, then maybe some JJ. This is me being generous because if he is a recreational player, then I'd be tempted to say this is AA with a tiny bit of KK and AK. And your QQ are basically dead against that range.
Thanks for your reply. Your video helps me on my skill a lot. Stack depths at that point was more then 200 big blinds deep and he got me covered by a lot. He tanked looks like thinking about something for couple seconds and jam. Thanks again
With three flush cards on a board run out, how likely is it that your opponent is holding two higher flush cards? If they move in before the river, could they be holding A x?
The more players there are, the more likely it is. And the deeper we are, the more costly it gets.
And yes, if they move in before, they could have the A of that suit, but many players in live poker will play that more passively.
Not just QQ sometimes gotta be very careful with KK as well
That is true. But when I'm only 100BB deep, I will play KK just like AA. I wouldn't ever fold KK preflop at this depth. It's a very different story if you're 200+BB deep.
Recreational players always 3-bet or 4-bet with AA, KK, and AK. This are the candidates for a shove all-in. Unless the recreational player is a maniac, expect the maniac to shove all-in with Broadway suited like JT.
Correct!
technically, OMC 4-bet "squeezed" (into EP ranges) you were 5-betting and he 6-bet jammed...now that definitely seems to be a bad spot for your QQ
also - I was impressed to see the EV chart for all the hands / it's extreme how just a few hands make all the money (AA, KK, QQ and AK only)! Maybe you can comment on that in your next Q & A, I would be interested to hear more about what that can practically mean for our range construction
Yeah you are right although I wouldn't say the squeeze was a 4bet because the straddle is not a raise, but whether the shove is a 5-bet or a 6-bet doesn't really make much of a difference.
Yep that is true. That's exactly the reason why playing tight is a good strategy. You're not going to win a lot with your 86s anyway, so why take the variance to even open it?
I will talk about this in my next Ask Me Anything (probably in 2 weeks).
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Nice one :)