Old World Superior, Wisconsin
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- Опубликовано: 13 сен 2024
- Across the bay from Duluth, Minnesota. This small town appears to have more going on at that early time period than one would expect of the given historical narrative. Special thanks to Jason for sending me what he found and pointing me in this direction.
I’m taken aback by how much old Superior looks like Chicago’s old south and west sides
Many of the buildings still exist. I took a picture of the Palace theater before it burned down about 25 years ago or so. I grew up in a small town about half hour away from Superior. There were some older ladies when I was a kid who talked about taking the train to Superior to go shopping and see movies. We had an old yellow train depot in our town that was preserved and moved next to the historical society.
My grandmother grew up in Superior during the 20’s and 30’s and said it was an exciting town back then.
Now its struggling. Lately there has been an effort to beautify the city again, and it does look much better than it did 20 years ago.
I can remember going to the Carnegie library when I was young and when it was still a library. The experience was wonderful compared to the dystopian building they moved the library into.
The Palace Theater was demolished it did not burn down. Unfortunately we had a City administration at that time that did not believe in preservation of historic buildings.
@@douglascountyhistoricalsoc5100 oh! I apologize for the error, thank you for correcting. It’s a shame there was little interest in preserving the historical buildings.
@@Ann-ed1bq I agree it should have been saved. we had a mayor at that time "Rip it down Ross". Our current Mayor is in favor of historical preservation.
The spirit of St Louis movie about the world's fair has a part within the last couple minutes where the little girl (Judy Garland I think) has a rant about "how the mud came and there were dead bodies everywhere". May have seen that on Michelle's channel, not sure but it's on you tube.
Was that the musical Meet Me In St Louis? Now I want to look into that. It used to be one of my favorite movies, and yes there was a little girl in that movie who was obsessed with the morbid.
Wow, very interesting😮!!!!
@@Ann-ed1bqyes! The dead dolls. Creepy. Shriners too! Hollyweird fer sure.
Boy! I decided to rewatch meet me in St Louis. I skipped over a bunch of it. The last 15- 20 minutes are epic. The muddy streets, the world's fair, just a bunch of random opulence for no apparent reason.
Interesting you should mention Judy Garland. Her parents ( Frank and Ethel Gumm) met in Superior while they were working in theater. They apply for their marriage license at the court house here in December of 1913 (we have the application book stub in our collection) and were married in January of 1914. They moved to Grand Rapids MN where Judy was born.
I live in southern California. Inland from Los Angeles about an hour is a SMALL city named Colton, CA. There is a Carnegie library in that city virtually identical to the library showcased in this presentation. It also no longer functions as a library. I plan on taking some photos and videos for submission soon. Check it out!!
I've got a buddy coming from New Zealand that I'm taking to Pasadena to check out the buildings in December, I'll add Colton to the list. I've got a couple churches in Pomona to look at also, as well as San Marino, San Gabriel. Thanks for the info.
Just love the Intro. It perfectly symbolizes pulling back the curtains.
🎉 agree!!!
Good to know.
So the first log cabin was constructed in 1853, but that big mansion that you showed it says the owner of that house Mr. Bishcoff Jr., if you look at his picture, below it, is written that he was born in that house in 1855
Gnarly!!
He was born in Superior but not in that house.
My mothers family is from the Twin Ports! I've spent lots of time in and around this area all my life. My grandmother who is swedish has lived between Duluth and Superior for 95 years she is now in Duluth right next to the Old Duluth Senior Highschool which is now closed but is where she went to high school. there was a cannon out in from of the school fastened into the school yard she says and they eventually removed it. the school was clean extremely high quality everything inside. state of the art plumbing hot water systems, excellent heat, and stayed cool in the summer months. she is still sharp as an arrow and and can tell you everything that has happened in the Twin Ports area in her lifetime. (she remembers everything😆) I will respond to this video in the future, as some of these buildings show are still there while many have been demolished. Thanks for putting this wonderful video together for Superior, WI/ Soup Town/ The Soup (very big soup**) cold soup, gazpatcho 😎🙏🧱❤🔥🔥
Born in Superior 1962 moved to Chicago 1980. Grand parents & parents grew up in Superior. Now learning of our false history, i love watching these videos of the twin ports. Never knew about all the old overbuilt schools all built in 1993 (historical or hysterical🤔) & opera house. Only Central high school was left intact in 60s & 70s. I lived a few blocks from the library. Spent many many hours there growing up. Thanks for your research. Well done & great presentation.
not false history. this guy only guesses and has done no research at all.
@@douglascountyhistoricalsoc5100 actually he did and I helped. Weird having a history troll.
@douglascountyhistoricalsoc5100 why would Douglas Co. Historical Society have a RUclips channel with ZERO videos on it??
@@ArchesandColumns Reading Wikipedia and making statements that what is written is questionable is fine. Back it up with research that shows why it is false. Why spread your alternative narrative that has no factual basis?
@@ArchesandColumns limit time, we are looking for volunteers.
Bird's Eye View maps look suspiciously like real estate brochures.
Indeed
the old map is not very accurate.
I grew up in a town of 35,000 and we had 3 elementary schools, 1 junior high, and 1 high school. These schools always baffle me in number, size, and grandeur.
Your " Holes in the Narrative " sir , may be reflected in an examination of the larger socio-economic region at the time . Duluth had reportedly more millionaires per capita than all other American cities . No doubt the fine folks of Superior were experiencing similar circumstances . Much of the wealth was associated with the timber industry . There was a lag time between the timber harvest , subsequent sawing , and the development of iron mining in northern Minnesota . Meanwhile shipbuilding was on the rise and nearby quarrying operations were busy supplying highly coveted Brownstone to Chicago and New York City . Trade in furs was significant . Money was being made !
Well then, explain this phenomenon in almost every city and town across the entire realm? You haven't zoomed out yet. Your argument collapses when you consider other cities during this period.
nothing you said explains the level of architecture compared to the level of technology, education and infrastructure of the time. people who couldn't build roads constructing these buildings we couldn't even draw today. money doesn't just magically transform into things we see in this channel.
Having been taught at Nelson Dewey (the rebuilt one) and a member of St. Francis for many years I always wonder why so many churches where built in 1890's. A friend bought the PALACE theatre and turned it into a BAR. Now he is out of that business. Traveled to Montana and saw some really interest sights along the way. KEEP up the good work.
After Hawaii, I would like for everyone to start noticing the color of the school roofs. Most of ours are blue. I may only be able to say this once. But if anyone else sees this, pass it on. #Orphantrains
Good idea
@14:20 What's crazy is it's the same across the western realm. We've been to San Francisco, New York, Dublin, and London this year, and it's the _same_ stories and the _same_ timelines, and the _same_ fires, and the _same_ founded in and the _same_ established on and the _same_ erected on such and such story everywhere. Modest little building was built here at any given date pre-1890ish, then whatever the circumstance, there was a terrible fire from a crazy random happenstance, and they relocated the original and built this little old megalithic structure in 18 months where it's stood for 150 years.
Like bruh what.
Cool video. It was fun to see an old school version of my home town. I think someone else said it but a lot of these buildings are actually still standing including the one at 17:45 I used to live a block away from the dt francis xavior church.
Antique vintage window opening poles / hooks are an interesting way to open the old style ventilation.
Fort Riley Kansas officer housing and main post were all constructed in 1893 also. Curiouser and curiouser.
Superior is built on wet ground as well as ravines that were filled in so you see the high board walks. It also allowed for deep snow. There was a lot of investment in Superior by wealthy people like FDR's family. Lower wages from imigrant labor as well as the port. There use to be a lot of grain elevators along the shore. There is only one left. If Superior's bid to be the only port had past through congress a few days sooner there wouldn't be one in Duluth. They got the canal built just before the bill was passed so it was dropped. Brick and stone took over because of the fire that went through Peshtigo Wi the same day as the Chicago fire. Wood was not the best building material with wood and coal burning. The Normal school was a teacher's college. It became Superior teachers college and is now UW Superior where Arnold Schwarzegger was enrolled. Superior decline matched Duluth's decline as well as the shipping on the Great Lakes. Less iron ore and taconite, wheat and other commodities traveling through. Superior was also the summer capital in 1928. Calvin Coolidge spent the summer fishing the Brule river and had a makeshift oval office set up in the former Central high school library. That was the high school that Richard I Bong finished high school. He then went to the Teachers college. He became interested in flying by seeing the airplanes fly over his home bringing the mail to Coolidge every day. He became the US's only Ace of Aces in WW2.
@5:55 Don't sell these drawings short; many of these camera lucida tracings can be more valuable than early photographs -- each can be manipulated, and I think these early postcard "sketches" offer some real insight into how grand some of these early structures may have actually appeared before being torn down in the name of progress.
Excellent video!
Thank you very much!
I had drafting course in junior high school. And I can appreciate draughtmans pencil or ink pen...feeling to develop architectural love of buildings and landscape painting..like in China or Japan or african sculpture...digging all this new wave of bringing us back harmonious..experiences...and detective work..on coverups... thumps up again..old world brother..peace sunday evening..light a candle for light....
17:26 The whole thins is the Hotel Superior. A fire wiped out the left half- before my time & the remaining half was torn down in 1968. There was a tunnel going from the left half across Belknap St. to the Opera House.
12:18 in - that was a bank in South Superior- I'm guessing this is when it was built. It still stands at 61st & Tower Ave. The New York block was recently- 10-15 years ago- renovated.
I really enjoyed this. Thank you!
Thanks for watching..
Have been many times in Superior for business, and my business partners always suggested to stay in Duluth as there was nothing to see, and nothing to in Superior. Has never seen interesting there indeed as Grand Opera has long gone due to what else besides of a fire. Even though it was built as fireproof. There were many beautiful schools even in mid-1950s.Today there are few, but they are just square boxes, now, sometimes on the very same places as the old ones.
@6:04 There we go, this is a fantastic look at how these structures looked as they were discovered and unburied, before street levels were raised across the realm.
Superior in the beginning was laid out as large as New York City and was expected to grow as the iron and lumber and grain trades grew. It didn't happen, the railroads have basically pulled out and Superior has shrunk. The climate near the harbor and lake is very unpredictable and much colder than the surrounding area in the summer and warmer in the winter, until the lake freezes. I came to Superior from Duluth in the mid 70's to work for the railroad. As soon as I moved to Superior my job moved to Duluth. Oh well the best laid plans. Still in Superior. Most of the buildings depicted here are gone. Thanks for the video.
if you want to find more. follow the lay lines guys.
Yes!!
How do I do that please
westport wa.state.years ago there were people like my self that learned of the the sets of lines. there are three. one way under ground. most vacuum trains go on them.not many of us left. admiral bird talked of inner earth. then the on earth lines.significant building are on them.pyramids. like the one in the tundra of alaska, egipt most big churches. where they meet has a lot of frequence powers. good and bad it can be used either way. some of the nodes are still vacant. i would say there is something under ground there. from what i know and what got me in trouble is when say a bird hit nothing right in front of me hit nothing. and land at my feet. at the time i was working on a gravity machine. tor it apart.sold the parts. moved ten years later. sitting on front porch of next home. and it happened again. so i started buying filters for camera to see if i could see it. got off the phone. stood up felt a sting in neck. stroke #one. blood pressure is and was 135. have had 4 strokes. stop looking please. do not know of any one that is alive that went down this road. if you keep looking you will be singled out. but it is cool. to learn. internet is about to be shut down. dark people are about to make there move. they use under ground tunnel systems. the only one ever openly talked about goes from romania to iraq. who ever you are .be careful. number three is basically a fence. and a grid. but ships take off at the intercessions. gravity is the least at those points. move away from area. did not answer your question i know. have not looked at this stuff for years. been on internet sense mid 90s. 4 strokes later. back on. see you after the shaking of the earth stops. would not be by water. well ocean. happy hunting. @@pinkiesue849
Wow! Much appreciate that you presented Superior. This is fantastic. Thank you and enjoy your weekend.
Same to you, thank you for the comment!
Well done
"Polish Catholic church" - St. Stantislaus- top floor was church, lower floors were classrooms for the grade school. Church in background was another catholic church, Sts. Cyril & Methodist (sp).
19:40 in. The Opera House was rebuilt after one fire, but the next one destroyed it.
Many of the buildings in this still exist in Superior.
The first house that was shown is the Fairlawn house and it’s still there with all the original furniture. I took a tour through it a couple of years ago.
15:49 Looks like a ghostly mans face in the main entrance to the opera house.
My family on my Dad's side is from Superior.
I grew up a Nat Geo, Popular Mechanics and Omni magazine (still my top mag ever) reader. Now I wonder how much smarter I'd/We'd be if those were put out with factual applications on what was destroyed. But I guess those magazines existence at all was kinda the whole point to the giant psyop.
@9:31 Amen brother, it's clear our ancestors held great value in the arts, and cymatic expressions alone are a key insight into just how attuned (pun!) they were to frequency and vibration and music.
And imagine that was all the lands of my relatives all the way from west and north of Duluth past Superior, Wisconsin point and the Apostle Islands where my several times Great Grandfather Chief Great Buffalo is buried. I'm sure he had no idea what was to come after going to meet Filmore to create trading treaties. Squatters gained ownership of some of my ancestors lands. The legal system was not fair to them. We know how that works and it's even more obvious these days. Just thinking about how Kimball is also my bloodline.
Cognitive dissonance as one ponders the accusations that one flung at another for being a squatter when they realize that they were not the original builders of these buildings either and they pre-existed their culture also, complicated world
Where is the Androu Hotel?
I would like to share with you, what I have found in the north half of wisconsin. I drive a delivery truck, so I've found a LOT!!. it all goes right together with the Superior video.
You'd like to but you won't? Do it post it link it how do you think this dude started?
17:57 - could that be the old Cathedral High that my mother attended?
Love it check out UW Superior Old Main and the small Tudor next door to campus
Mud flood still some crazy mystery what actually happened ?
As these things are happening, it’s not really a mystery anymore. The controllers have the ability do use anything as warfare earthquakes, tornadoes fires, tsunami‘s annihilate cities, but keep a couple of buildings that they want. It’s kind of like when a murderer kills they take a trinket.😢
Why do they do it? Population control?
Maybe read Revelation ch 20 to start to understand… also Zechariah ch 12-14
Yes. Check your Bible.
Most of what you question is fact that can be backed up by primary historical documentation (newspapers and other material), and some rare photos. The story of West Superior development was due to John Hammond and the Land and River Company with investors from the east coast. For a brief time there were horse drawn street cars. These were of course much smaller than the electric ones. West Superior development started 1880, however it wasn't until the 1888-1892 era that saw the large brick "blocks" built. The financial crisis of 1893 caused the rapid growth period to come to an end. A lot of what you are thinking is early development and building with empty spaces where building are yet to be built. The one photo you refer to as a building being refurbished is an original building construction photo. As for the schools, 6 were built in 1893 due to the need at that time. To be fair the 6 school construction started in 1892 were not fully completed and occupied until 1893. The video is good but the historical narrative is poor.
So you're just going to regurgitate what I could find on wikipedia (for example) and tell me it's set in stone? Six schools built in one year? GImme a break... think critically!
@oldworldex I guarantee this person has never built anything in their life and has zero point of reference. Also, notice how the channel parroting the official narrative has zero subs and zero content! What a troll account.
@@oldworldex I did the research for our Schools of Superior exhibit. The document facts with news paper articles at the time and documentation for city directories shows that 6 schools were constructed in about 18 months. Starting in 1892 and completed in 1893. All were occupied by early 1894. Wikipedia is a secondary source and I would not rely it it for historical research. I used primary documentation. There were a total of 9 schools built between 1888 and 1894. Geographically Superior is 45 square miles. One factor that contributed to building so many schools was transportation at that time. ruclips.net/video/iF0v-ucwcMo/видео.html
@@oldworldex I did extensive research on West Superior using primary sources of newspapers and city directories. Since I work at the local historical society I have access to the full archives. In 2019-2020 I created a Schools of Superior 1880-1924 for the school built during that period. According to you did they make stuff up for the 1880s-1890s newspapers? Horse drawn street cars were a fact however much smaller than the electrified ones. All you have to do is use this thing called google to find photos of horse drawn street cars. Most of your "comments" are just your "guess" work and often very inaccurate. Think critically? How about researching facts with primary sources? Let's make a bet my facts vs your "guess work". You pick the amount of the bet $1k - $100k. All we need is a jury or judge to decide who wins. We can do this on zoom.
@@douglascountyhistoricalsoc5100 this thing called google? K thanks. You work at the local historical society? That makes sense...thanks for getting back to me...You keep parroting your primary sources and I'll keep questioning them. I think we can coexist.
From them a mudflood of lies and our great truth finders lead us to what makes more sense. Thanks
The book of Jubilees (An apocryphal book) states that The children of Noah will claim the ruins of once great palaces for themselves, and they will build empires upon them. We know that many of these ancient sites are built atop even more ancient sites. The mud flood is world wide. The only thing that fits is the world wide flood. I'm the book of giants, Enki opens a window of the boat after the flood waters withdrew and said that mud had covered every building up to their roofs! I immediately thought MUD FLOOD!
Tunnels are a interesting similar comparison such as the Lion Rock Tunnel ( HK ) and Asheville ( NC ) Beaucatcher Tunnel .
Lot of clay around here, thank you for the history!
😮ow the opera House.
So cool....population makes no sense and the year everything was built....we for sure live in a science fiction world...I wonder if the natives seen buildings early on....or how that history plays into everything.......with the buildings....enjoyed the video so close to home! Thanks tina
Yea, and no native is counted in population figured
min 12:31. Look how clean the pant-bottoms are of the men in the muddy street, and how there's no sign of tracking all that mud anywhere. And are we to believe those narrow buggy wheels are getting anywhere in all that? Wet or dry those streets would be too treacherous for those narrow wooden wheels; or many of today's rubber car tires.
Jeran?
12:01 is a fire house
Check out White Rock lake, Dallas Texas. The only man made lake in the center of a city (water works buildings). They say Nazi prisoners were kept here. U will see old world bathhouse,the de Gueyer estate(Dallas Arboretum) and the awesome homes surrounding area. H.L. Hunt's home Mount Vernon yes that's the name. So,much hidden history in Dallas. Swiss avenue incredible old world homes. I could go on....
This flat hollow simulated earth is starting to play like a cheap reality show. A musical-comedy reality show. With reincarnated clones playing inside-joke cameos to a Martian laugh track.
A blatantly-plagiarized murder mystery coming-of-age action adventure chick-flick historical war cartoon instructional propaganda newsreel thriller horror porno. Too many ads, and the nepotism kind of ruins it.
Killer comment..
Flat roof buildings on Lake Superior...you gotta be kidding,people would be shoveling those roofs. Were they actually built during the medieval warm periiod, circa 800 to 1200
many are still standing 130 years later. fires was a far greater danger.
@0:58 I've been traveling with my wife and exploring various cities lately, and it really is amazing how boastful they were about their erections in the 19th century.
(too much? xD Apologies, I couldn't not!)
lol
What is your alternate answer to your questions? You seem very confused
plenty of other videos for you to relieve the confusion.
@13:35 Most definitely yes.
now do STILLWATER MINNESOTA
No holes in the narrative that I can see. There is photographic evidence as well as a wealth of written documentation at the historical society. It seems irresponsible and misleading to present a community with your narrative without having done some basic research from credible sources-of which Wikipedia is not. Our city has a rich and interesting history and I invite you to visit and see for yourself.
No holes in the narrative....riiight.
@@oldworldex where’s your support for your claims? I have mine.
@@kristenhaux9058 Use your eyes..
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Maybe "normal" schools were for those who didn't rate the asylums.
Or for the ones who survived the floods, war, mud, and lost everything including their minds. Sometimes I think it was a place for those who kept talking about the "old world". I am a semi-local to Superior and Duluth and noticed all of these enormous schools. I think that some of them involved the military and/or trade schools/Universities. I have seen Administration Buildings at Universities (land grand U's) that look alike, government buildings, really old. My Grandfather graduated from Marquette University, another great lakes port, as a dental surgeon. And it wasn't a whites only school. At all. I don't believe these cities have always been English, and they were probably star forts.
Normal Schools where the predecessors to the current University/College system. They primarily taught teachers with 1 to 4 year programs. With the one year program you could go and teach in a rural school. The two year program was required to teach in a city school, or with after the one year program and two years experience in a rural school you could also teach in a city school. The three and four year programs were for becoming a high school teacher or an school administrator.
A very negative and cynical presentation of a beautiful old city.
Cynical of the narrative...not the city. Wonderful architecture in Superior!!
1892 , next unnecessary tatt
I call BS!
Like always, his-story...🙄