This is probably the biggest problem with vaccine hesitancy. People get snippets of information that, by themselves, are frightening, but when put into context, show that getting vaccinated, is the lesser of two evils. That’s where getting advice from your doctor, is really important. They know your health risks, and can advise you which vaccine is best for you.
You’re right, however every time you go to your doctor for a procedure or new medication there are warnings about possible problems that could arise. These people are acting like complications and side effects are something new! The problem is folks using anything associated with the pandemic for political or monetary gain.
@@Junkinsally The problem is that people somehow have a problem with getting vaccinated for COVID-19 but they are perfectly with clogging about the ICU when they get sick or taking brand new medications (as if taking a new pill is different from taking a new vaccine)..
I should like to point out that Joe Rogan a) has an audience that he is playing to b) is not a doctor c) said he's an idiot and nobody should listen to him full stop.
People with belief systems like this are never going to admit that they're wrong when they're confronted like this. It's normal to get defensive and try to argue for your "side". But if he's confronted with enough evidence it's possible that over the course of a few months he could slowly come to realize that he's fallen for a bunch of BS.
@@clarkkent1521 pretty much. That when I also decided to stop listening to JRE. He had her on so many times and once she’s stated that Covid causes more ailments then the vaccine you can see his uncomfortable reaction.
The Rhonda Patrick interview was a joke because she wasn’t prepared or informed enough to rebuttal a lot of his nonsense. So many questions in that interview were answered by “I don’t know” by Rhonda. Another disappointing opportunity for a guest to check Rogan.
gop logic now is to ignore the 99 out of 100 people telling you facts and stuff that is true, but rather trust hte ONE person out of that 100 saying not to do ' so and so ' because ' so and so ' .....
no shit hey, too many people stupidly would take Joe Rogan's "medical" advise over their own actual doctors. What happens when some idiot suffers complications as result of something Joe prescribes? Do they go him for help, do they get to sue him for "malpractice" or do they go to a hospital with doctors for treatment.
@@jasondadarria and not only is this true, but bizzarely because of projection they make "doing your own research" like the central pillar of why they are smarter than everyone else. anytime a Repub says something bad about something else, they are probably exposing what is bad about them
You know, ask a virologist who has decades in the field vs. Joe Six Pack who loves Trump and has read a lot of VAERS stuff that sounds pretty serious. Both opinions are surely equal right? That virologist is just elitist!
@@aeroripper I used to have a partner who thought the same way - that his opinion on anything was absolutely as valid as someone with decades of experience in any given field, because ‘opinions’, by definition, are born equal, according to him. He was utterly exhausting.
Y'know how omicron is mild but super infectious? It's almost impossible to tell how many people shrugged it off or were completely asymptomatic. Anecdotally everyone I know who works in public got sick of something this past month.
The pathophysiology of COVID-19-related myocarditis is thought to be a combination of direct viral injury and cardiac damage due to the host’s immune response. I would think "direct viral injury" is a non-issue for the vaccine since you aren't actually getting infected with a replicating virus. Which leaves severity of immune response, which will typically be much lower following a vaccine, and would also be lower for a vaccinated person getting subsequently infected with covid because they already have established some immunity to the virus. Regardless, I see no reason to think that heart inflammation would be additive by first getting vaccinated and then getting a vaccine-inhibited covid infection.
Joe Rogan didn't post this on RUclips. This is the spread of medical misinformation by David pakman. Basically he is saying David pakman is smarter than doctors and he knows more than you and spreading the information to RUclips which is against their community guidelines. Joe Rogan isn't posting this.
@@richardhorn7688 What are you talking about. Where do you think Packman got it from? Rogan is a moron by his own admission. If you think David is spreading misinformation then post your source right here to the correct information.
Joe is a perfect example of the overarching problem of uneducated people who are actually smart trying to think for themselves without the right information-based it's kind of like he's someone who doesn't know the whole alphabet but yeah he's still trying to write a book
It doesn't take alot of education to understand what a peer reviewed study is...ESPECIALLY when we're talking about the medical field. I don't disagree with the fundamental point you're making, I just don't agree that Rogan is a smart person. He's a guy that thinks he's smarter than he actually is because he surrounds himself with idiots regularly and also interviews smart people as a business. An actual smart person understands that arguing with medical and science sector experts when you're a comedian and podcast host is asinine. Only two other answers are arrogance/hubris or he's just another conservative meathead now...which still plays out with you not being too smart anyway.
@@smartass0124 nothing you said is true. “Every” athlete isn’t collapsing from the vaccine, that’s clearly a lie. Millions and millions have been safely vaccinated and the overwhelming majority of those hospitalised are unvaccinated. If you care so much about people’s health, why aren’t you concerned about the number of unvaccinated people ending up in hospital?
Are people self-reporting side effects that cannot be self-diagnosed, such as myocarditis? Then I would like to report increased IQ and peace of mind after receiving the vaccines.
That's what VAERS is. Just a whole bunch of self reporting without any verifying. It's ridiculous that anyone uses it as "proof" and expects to be taken seriously.
@@Nails_By_Kimberlee We should either make reports visible only to medical professionals, or get rid of it entirely; it seems to be causing more harm than good right now.
This isn't true. Moderna dose 2 blows COVID out of the water in terms of myocarditis risk. You can't present statistics that include first doses, because the second dose creates incremental risk. By including dose 1 myocarditis stats, you are understating the risk. Second of all, if the vaccines don't prevent infection, this point becomes far less important. You're subjecting yourself to the risk twice.
Joe treats new information like a child treats new food. Tries new food and if he doesn't like it, a couple days later it leaves his body, never to be used again. If the kid likes the food, he wants to eat it for every meal.
@@jaygothejakehernandez8908 he certainly didn’t learn from his Michael Osterholm. He had a complete wipe of whatever expert advice or opinion he gained from him. There are clips going about where it cuts from his Michael osterholm interview where joe is agreeing with him and what the medical consensus is, to a “few weeks later” and joe is repeating fuelling misinformation from the likes of Malone.
He was a long-time moon landing denier. He has mentioned several times how "he used to think" when critizing conspiracy nuts like his buddy Eddie, but here we are. I don't see Joe admitting he was wrong and dangerously irresponsible. At best he'll shut up about it. Or go full flat earth. Time will tell.
@@jimboslice3646 when this spike of conservative listeners stop listening he will come to reason. And they will stop listening eventually. Most of the stuff Joe says goes strongly against traditional conservative values.
Jaime is a lefty for sure, but he had a talking to by Joe because it would get to a point where the guests are contesting Jaime. Joe is a narcissist like that he can't have anyone else talk to the guest.
Are you talking about the studies done all over the world showing ivermectin’s effectiveness? Mexico? India? Japan? In early treatment it’s literally lowered hospitalizations and even deaths in poorer countries where literally millions of people have taken it. I can’t believe people are still calling it a horse drug it’s ridiculously stupid.
The thing that amazes me about the kind of behavior you capture with that comment is, "Do those people not realize everyone else can tell?" It's not a socially difficult thing to identify someone's pre-existing beliefs and measure how much they evade information that might challenge it. I get this vibe like they think nobody else can see their fly is undone so long as they keep crossing their legs. No anti-vaxxer is savvy about the way they cover their eyes and ears.
@@timesathousand he referred to another study later. there are many studies, not all consistent. in either case, 0.00045 is not very releveant statistically.
Yea he’s such a beta. I say this because he rarely challenges ideas, and is compelled for everyone to like him. And 100% agree with you. He should just step up, say I was wrong, and move on. But no, he keeps perpetuating his stupidity. Such a shame.
men made up vast pantheons of gods, codes and language's of angels, eons of fantasy's and tragedy's, wars and genocides, rather then say " i dont know."
just saw a study about what Joe Rogan said to Josh Zepps and what do you know, he was RIGHT, and Josh is wrong, and so are you. do you have the courage to apologise to Joe Rogan?
It just blows my mind how far he has fallen. I remember for the brief time that I was being hoodwinked by Candace Owens, I stopped respecting her opinion after her interview with Rogan where he tore her down over her flippant attitude towards Climate Change. He brought up facts and statistics and she literally said the same thing that he says in this clip (though admittedly, she goes a bit farther): "well where are you getting this? A dot-com? We can't trust that they're getting paid." It's been truly sad to watch his fall, because he is someone I used to truly enjoy watching, and it is now so difficult to enjoy his show.
You sir are dumb to listen to Rogan and Candace! Candace went from hating your guy trump to his biggest support! That should tell you she's only after the money!
Some people never grow up. Joe Rogan still has a ways to go. It is nice to see other people evolving out of this childish behavior. Congrats, seriously. I'm glad you have seen through this childishness
I don't watch JRE for Rogan. I watch it because he can book fascinating guests due to the popularity of his podcast. Rogan is skilled in steering a conversation to keep it interesting though. Credit where due and all.
Why is Rogan even an authority on anything medical, political, scientific or economic? All I see is a meathead with no shame, who was an MMA fighter and a former host of a goofy game show. Apparently, Rogan is considered a well-informed, well-studied, thoughtful intellectual in America. America is effing doomed.
@@50jakecs nope just a "comedian" although I don't blame you for not knowing as none of his stand up is memorable, in fact Joe's biggest claim to fame in stand up is being a gatekeeper in a night club who buries comedians that don't kiss his ass and exposing Carlos Mencia as a joke thief
I mean Joe Rogan himself says he is often drunk or high and just bullshits on his show. I don't know why one takes him seriously. But he has biggest audience and they trust him. People cannot distinguish between bro chat and serious medical advise.
I dont think youre allowed to hide behind the guise of "bro chat" when you have doctors promoting misinformation during a global pandemic. He's got to have some sense of social responsibility.
@@franklinprichard9151 Lol if you are on his podcast you suspend strict guidelines and flirt around with some bro chat. Even as a doctor. That's why people love Rogan's podcast. He doesn't make it academic and even with some brain farts he makes it interesting. But again if you don't go with what your personal doctor says then its on you.
@@morecharacterswithamix9067 u realize a large portion of his audience probably doesn't go to a doctor right? Malone Wasnt sharing his opinion, he was intentionally misrepresenting data to fit his narrative.
This is just a perfect example of lazy uninspired journalism. The guy clearly didn’t listen to the whole episode and just picked out parts to fit his narrative. Hope you’re glad you just flushed your credibility down the toilet
Keep drinking the kool-aid Bobby. I mean Keep taking the vaccine and then the next one and the next one and the next one and the next one. Now we want you to take another vaccine for this new strain. Don't forget to take your flu vaccine
@@workingman4918 it’s ok, I know words can be tough for morons who drink urine, eat horse paste & simp for celebrities. Just sound the letters out, you got this. I believe in you.
Lol my son once said to a flat earther, I don’t know, you turn left at Vancouver you get to China and you turn right at Newfoundland and get to China 🤷
Why shouldn't someone be curious where the study came from? Should I equally consider tobacco studies funded by big tobacco? The myocarditus risk among young children was always the concern. It's not goal post moving but that doesn't matter. Content creator put Joe Rogan name on podcast, clip apart a discussion, represent it for you and tell you what you should believe.
Sure you can be curious. He’s not being that. He’s had his point or view shaken and he’s grasping to hold onto that narrative. Did he ask where all for the info about he’s current opinions came from. Of course not. A peer reviewed study should have more weight than an opinion and the issue is it’s the other way around in media.
@@MichaelRonnfeldt to be fair Joe was referencing an article from the Guardian that said exactly what Joe was talking about. Turns out the Guardian was wrong, based on the clip shown here. So, is Joe at fault for believing them or is the Guardian at fault for being the ones releasing misinformation? I'd say the latter. Joe isn't a journalist, is he?
@@MalikChrom The problem is when people don't listen or believe in scientific facts. With results showing it's far better to be vaccinated in our fight against covid than not. Kinda like wearing a bullet proof vest. Everyone isn't getting shot but those who do will most likely survive wearing the vest. Or maybe like getting into a car crash, those who wear the seatbelts are more likely to survive. 🤔 The analogies are endless. I wonder what makes someone so defiant against the science? Do you think Joe questioned the other info he's received or did he just say to himself, hmmmm this seems right! 🤯
"I'm talking about adults..... I'm talking about young adults...... I'm talking about teenagers"..... "I'm talking about kids"....... "I'm talking about toddlers"
Joe Rogan spent then entire 2010s telling the world how dumb he is. Literally called himself a dummy and told people dont lsiten to him. Now he's one of the most important "thinkers" in the world. This is scary.
It’s not him people listen too it’s his guests which for the most part are all credible people in their fields. You should go give some of the podcasts a listen smarty pants
What’s scary is people like you ... who think that Rogan is trying to convince people what to believe... like CNN or BBC... when in FACT he is getting guests on who offer differing opinions and information who are BANNED from airing their views on such channels and media outlets.... if you are so blinkered and happy living in the narrative , without even questioning anything about what is going on around the world , then good luck to you. Coz one day you’ll be awake and it’ll be too late .
No that’s clearly NOT true, this was a prime example of Joe Rogan getting it wrong but of course he won’t admit it because the evidence doesn’t fit with his agenda!
@@bellabana yese rthe side who uniroincally votd for a sen il old folks home patient who destroyed the country, over thre best pres in mdoern history, is def the side of reason
Another advantage is, when someone gets myocarditis after the vaccine, doctors can treat it early and effectively, because they know it’s a side effect of the vaccine, and they know how to medicate the patient. After an asymptomatic Covid infection, it’s more difficult to identify a myocarditis and treat it immediately.
@@drstone6798 Can you show proof 1) that it happened, 2) if it did, how many athletes, and 3) if it did happen, it wasn't some other treatment, medical condition or overexertion that caused them to collapse? But I bet you can't because FB and Twitter memes are not primary sources of information.
@@50jakecs Dr Stone definitely can’t, it’s a lie - but we knew that. Reuters asked a bunch of sports governing bodies and none of them were aware of any incidents. It appears someone made a montage of sports stars having medical issues - some clips pre vaccine, some pre Covid, and now the conspiracy theorists have latched on to it. Two years in and they’re still deep into this BS
Not only was Joe right, he did the ethical thing by encouraging fact checking..this is how conversations should go. Compare facts and sources and educate one another
He's been citing a peer reviewed study for months that showed risk of myocarditis in young children was higher from the vaccine than from covid. It's an important question how do we reconcile these two studies. Dismissing it as anti Vax fuels the conspiracies and casts doubt on science in general. Edit: couldn't find the study but found the link joe usually refers to one may exist.
@@rickybobby3361 I'm curious too. Can only find a bs "study" cited on fox that was not peer reviewed and from questionable sources. Sources that were more interested in anti vaccine ideas than science
@@rickybobby3361 it's been well knows that there is a risk of myocarditis from viral infections. covid even more so and it isn't just one study, we have multiple studies demonstrating this by now since we're 2 years into this pandemic
Yes, David….Rogan generally reevaluates his ideas. That is part of his popularity is that he doesn’t hide the fact that he is searching for what truth he can find from many different perspectives. And one big factor in this is he has such a wide variety of guests and he often has challenging conversations where he and his guest openly explore a point of disagreement in order to arrive at possibly new conclusion. It is a dialectic process. He talks to specialists and experts and journalists. Dr. Peter McCullough is more of an expert than Josh Szeps who is a journalist and the question of where your information is coming from is at the heart of how to weigh new information. A journalist saying “Hey, look here is an article about a study” may not carry as much weight in the moment as a doctor tell you something like “this is concerning”. He is allowed to be discerning and change his mind if he finds enough evidence to the contrary…. So, hey, man, something Rogan has that you don’t are guests and not all who agree with him. And that is part of his success. Get yourself back on his show…he’d probably be very open to it. Keep lying about him talking horse medicine….maybe he’ll bring you on. IDK.
@@rjlee818 if you could put a link to those studies…it would be helpful. And thank you for seeing my point. But to clarify it …much of science isn’t as conclusive as we like to think especially in the midst of an emerging event…that isn’t to say it isn’t ever conclusive but a healthy dose of questioning is necessary for the process to arrive at some approximation of the truth which can reach impressive level of precision much of the time. But often we are wading through many studies that say very different things…all most non-scientist like me or Rogan or for that matter Pakman can do is defer to expert opinions (which don’t always coincide), personal discretion (which is a very imperfect but personalized set of standards that resist quick, easy shifts of opinions) and due diligence (which is irregular or non existent at best for most normal people who don’t have time to sift through all information). It is a messy process and letting people go through it on their own without bad mouthing them is my MO. By the way, I watched this episode of Rogan and the the guest, Josh Szeps, has been on his show more than 6 times over the past year….Rogan is talking to him like a friend and kicking around ideas and questions…I think David is a little disingenuous in his presentation of the clip. And contrary to the “take that” culture created by our media…Joe even said that reflecting on that conversation he really wasn’t prepared to talk about that issue, which means he would have wanted to prepare better to have a more quality conversation and make better points….instead he improvised it and the results were mixed….which is refreshing to hear from people…the media never do that and instead they double down on whatever narrative they invested in…so we need more people like Rogan…stop shaming him because he doesn’t always have perfect knowledge or officially sanctioned opinions, he has a right to be that way. Nobody who is a fan of him consider him an expert on anything outside of comedy and MMA. And that is why people like him…he’s not pretentious and he has some amazing guests and conversations.
The “this is what I want to believe” fallacy. Joe has already publicly stated his beliefs, therefore, anything that challenges his beliefs must be faulty.
you can see in justifying his beliefs as new information was coming in challenging his claims and beliefs: "but not young ppl though..." "oh, it includes young ppl, then it doesn't include fetuses." moving the goalpost is right. he tries not to look stupid, but he doesn't do it the way trump does. he still does it and he is still wrong, but he tries to save face.
He wasn’t always like this, it’s a shame. In fact he often called people out for living in an echo chamber when it came to their views, yet he’s now doing just that. Especially with Covid.
@@SayAhh What's funny is joe is actually right... stop listening to what the MSM are reporting and you might see that the CDC have been proven to be under reporting Myocarditis occurrences and lying about the numbers. You are just as likely to get Myocarditis if not more from the vaccine than you are from Covid. I get my information from virologists and doctors who have an objective view on the numbers.
Joe changes his mind and narrative all the time. People like you shouldn't have such a confident opinion for something you don't know wtf youre talking about. Gotta love all the hypocrites and irony in this thread.
@@varisia281 please list your sources. Also, we can treat myocarditis better than we can treat COVID. Also, monoclonal treatment is starting to not have an effect on the newer variants or something. When COVID becomes MRSA-like and nothing can treat it, then we'll see what new excuses antivaxxers will come up with. Most doctors will tell you that the benefits of the vaccine outweighs its risks.
I know most of your audience has hated Rogan for a while, but I've always been a listener. I never cared that I disagreed with him on a lot because he didn't seem like a grifter and rightly recognized he doesn't know shit. There have been many excellent guests over the years. This vaccine arc has been different. It's ruined it for me. I mean, he was once a moon landing denier, so I guess I should have known he was capable of this kind of thinking and cognitive bias. It's disappointing. It's not as if there is nothing to criticize, but he has really bought into the bullshit and it's tainted every episode.
Exactly how I feel. Now my hope is that just like his come to reality moment with the moon landing he does the same with this covid stuff. The consequences are obviously much greater believing and spewing the covid nonsense he does than the moon stuff back in the day. But hoping he can turn a corner back to reality sooner than later
I've hardly watched an episode since he moved to spotify, bar some MMA stuff, and a few random guests. His mental gymnastics over the last year or so, haven't made me feel that I'm missing out on much.
Rather than saying, “look Rogan is wrong”, why not highlight the fact that unlike the legacy media, Rogan having open conversations and debates that allows us to learn together.
That's his whole schtick. He's like the Ben Shapiro of the left. These types are not beneficial for progress because they feed on the conflict. They're like professional race hustlers, but with politics instead of racial issues. I get tired of watching his show after 10 minutes of the same thing, even when he's right. I think a good chunk of the reasons many regular people dislike the left is embodied in David Pakman's personality. It's just maddening.
@@scratchpenny I don't like or dislike the "left" or "right." I just dislike his relentless interjecting in the video. It's ridiculously annoying. Saying I'm for the left or right would be like saying I only like hot or cold; naturally, I like warm. Or only liking black or white (colors in general, not skin tone) when there's clearly an appealing variety of grey tones in-between. Society needs to drop the whole right/left thing. It's stupid.
Inconvenient facts aren't welcomed in the david's brought to you by pfizer show. Still waiting for his apology for getting so much of covid wrong. Zero critical thinking skills, trusting corporations that have paid billions in criminal finds. Not very astute at all. Embarrassing really. At least trump and David agree on something. They both wrongly believe this vaccine has saved millions of lives. Not based in reality, but when your trying to force a dangerous product on people, a little window dressing goes a long way.
Because he's thinking for himself and is a threat to their agenda and he may cause others to think for themselves rather than being blind sheeple 🐑 like yourself 🤷
Actually he was caught unprepared to this (new) old info. There is a better paper published in nature in December with more data, less biais that says the opposite of what Josh says… so may be Rogan not so wrong in his beliefs /understanding, just not a specialist that needs time and contradictory debate to firm up his mind. In this case, because he thought he might be wrong, he accepted the possibility of being wrong. True journalism would go beyond, search for more info especially the latest available and then ask experts of different opinions for their analysis. There has been tons of BS papers lately with a lot of cherry picking to prove one thing or the opposite. Data analysis is hard, especially when data is insufficient and of poor quality.
No, we're upset with him because he clearly had no clear knowledge of what he was saying and even when presented with clear evidence from a highly educated and qualified person still had be dragged kicking and screaming into admitting he was wrong.
They were initially talking about younger people. Joe told Jamie to look up the facts. He found a study that was different than what he had seen in the past so he asked where are we getting this to verify which one is correct. Seems like a completely rational exchange. If more people were like this maybe we could change some stuff
when you try to dispute the validity/credibility of a source but you trust whatever shit you read before and/or heard from some other dude, there's nothing rational at all... typical "i'm on the right side of the argument" syndrome, which is quite funny (and sad) because rogan had always tried to fight that type of behavior up until recently. he seems pretty irrelevant now, with his conventional/expected take on things because he literally can have a strong and definitive opinion in one podcast, then do a complete 180 in the next...it is fine in your living room with your friends, but when u have such a huge platform, it is not in my opinion.
@@AndThenShwarmaAfter it's called the Joe Rogan experience ..if people don't like his opinions don't listen him .. he's spoke with medical experts and discussed topics for hours upon hours and constantly reminds people he's a meat head ,who likes to talk to people about things he finds interesting .. you would want him to be censored ? Or only say what you want to hear ? mainstream media got caught out lying about him and he confronted nthem on his podcast. . how do you feel about a huge platform like CNN blatantly lying ?? They broadcast into everyone's living room ? JRE on Spotify
@@AndThenShwarmaAfter so Joe was right after all and mind you, he doesn’t care about being right for the sake of pride. He cares to be right cause it’s the ethical and moral thing to do.
Joe is fighting incredibly hard to be wrong and it's weird to watch. This whole "only question the source when it doesn't agree with me" approach is certainly a strange one. It's quite unfortunate that Jamie's livelihood essentially depends on him going along with Joe, because if it didn't... I don't think he would hesitate to call him out on his increasingly ignorant bullshit.
This is exactly how brainwashed cult members react to being corrected on their beliefs. It is both fascinating and horrifying to see how deeply someone like Rogan has descended into the cult madness.
The downward spiral of Rogan and Lindell have been the more interesting developments of the last 2 years. Lindell currently has the evidence to put 300 million people in jail for life, so watch out guys.
Once covid and vaccines became a culture war issue facts doesnt really matter anymore. If you promote vaccines you are on "team big pharma" and thats enough to sway a lot of people to be on the opposing "team covid"
450 is not 8 times higher than 67, not even 7 times higher. Actually just 6,72 times higher. So how about those goal posts moving..? You rounded 450 to 500, 67 to 60, so then it is 8 times higher, after moving goal posts two times...
I think the side effect numbers from vaccination are massively under reported in the media and in trials and studies. Rogan just is sceptical of all the fingers in the covid pandemic pie as he should be. The amount of money involved far outweigh concerns for your life.
Spot on! If people think the government and these criminal companies (Cough ... Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson... Cough) care about their health then nobody can help them... too far gone. These "elites" only have financial interest and nothing else. They couldn't give 2fucks about people's health lol.
@@owaindavies1076 factual for who? The people that get paid to do the study for the pharmaceutical company's? You and me? We mean less than nothing to these company's. Agree or disagree the damage has been done now regardless of what you and me think.
@@crazymage9636 so you’d disagree with empirical evidence but agree with a random person from facebook who shares similar biases against vaccinations? Data that has been backed up that throughly is factual, sorry to tell you…
@@owaindavies1076 does the person have to be from Facebook? Is that where the problem current non belivers lurk spreading their antivax propaganda? I dont use facebook. It's for bots and boomers. When you say thoroughly factual I don't think you know what lengths these giant companies will go to to push their vaccine's, sorry to tell you. You should just continue to watch the news because it's designed for you. But without insulting your intelligence too much I respect your opinion and belief in the system.
Let's not forget Joe Rogan believed we never landed on the moon and thinks Canadians come to the US to get healthcare. People take him way too seriously... Joe is very good at articulating his feelings on issues and how things relate in his mind. I really do think he means well and is a thoughtful person... and a person with many talents... but he is NOT that technically smart of a dude. Listen to him talk about actual science or medical theory or political policies and you can see he is in over his head. I feel kind of bad for him in way because he is just an average dude who likes working out and grilling meat at his core, but now he has to be like this leading voice of reason who can't offend anyone or take sides. I think he just needs to be careful, he is feeding into the extreme anti-vax echo-chamber more than I think he realizes or intends to and people will take what they want from that as reassurance that they are correct. I definitely dont think the vaccine is the end all be all of answers for covid, nor do I support forcing it on people, but it is definitely an effective, important tool that I think people should utilize and it DOES protect people against covid. It's also free. Joe can afford hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of treatments. Most of his followers cant.
@@foskco87 When did he come out and say we didn't land on the moon? I remember distinctively that he called out Eddie for that shit he did a 180 on us like that?
@@Gum_Cuzzler - America has the best medical care money can buy. If you have the money. And unfortunately, most Americans don't. Healthcare by the wealthy, for the wealthy, is not good public policy.
When Joe was challenged on his position he was immediately willing to look it up. That shows that he is willing to learn when he is wrong and he is willing to have his beliefs challenged. Now of course if someone is presented with facts that directly contradict what they believe, they're not going to flip their beliefs at once. That's not how humans work. People need time to process the fact that they were wrong before they change.
That's just because they have too much ego. If I know I'm wrong on something I said, I will immediately apologize and move on with that new information. This is not a humanity thing. It's a 21st century toxic mentality.
@@-gumby-3381 Not if we're talking about political opinions. Changing ones view is very difficult. I don't mean changing someone else's view, I mean for you to change your own views. That takes a lot of self-awareness of a person and it doesn't happen automatically. Although I'm not a psychologist it seems like a very natural defense mechanism, because if you are presented with information that directly contradicts your existing beliefs then you would be very easily fooled if you automatically accepted it without treating the information with scepticism. It is relevant that all potential counter-arguments or problems with a piece of information may not be obvious to the recepient at first. For this reason it makes sense that there is a delay in a human's ability to accept information.
@@-gumby-3381 you also aren’t on a podcast, being tracked on every word you say. He has a responsibility to not just blatantly lie but being curious on other alternatives isn’t an ego problem.
@@dukeblair7792 because he is no expert on the matter and doesn’t read all papers himself? I think it is fair from him to admit he doesn’t know. He is open to change, but not blind to discrepancies between official discourse and reports from independent scientists. Rogan is no doc, he is a martial art specialist. If someone presents a paper that he is not aware of’ it is easy to catch him off garde, even if the paper is not without issues and actually obsolete…
@@dukeblair7792 in the moment he probably didn’t want to press the point when presented with contradictory information from an expert on a rapidly evolving topic.
@@markgamache6377 - Joe already admitted he was wrong about this and it was well after the interview with the latest research. Please grow up and get over yourself, you have know idea what you're talking about and it shows.
You can still get COVID with the vaccination so it would be interesting to see how many of those that got vaccinated and got COVID, got miocarditis. The question would be what caused the miocarditis. Maybe we will never know.
We actually do know. Because there are way smarter and caring people out there researching it. All while you do stuff all except write nonsense on the internet.
Well surely would be the covid that caused it. The myocarditis came when the Covid infected the perso . Plus with the statistics it's far more likely to be the Covid than the vaccine because its far more likely.
You can still contract and spread covid if you have the vaccine, this is common knowledge now. I would be interested to see the cross section of individuals who were vaccinated that myocarditis from Covid.
80% of covid cases have mild or no symptoms, these are not included it this data. Only the most severe cases were included, the most severe cases imo would be more likely to cause lasting effects.
Yeah, but the rates are incredibly different. Vaccinated individuals contract and spread alpha and delta at rates MASSIVELY lower than the unvaccinated, and STRONGLY lower even when it comes to omicron. And rates matter.
@@AtomWeaver8 That’s false. Here in Denmark 90% of the country is vaccinated (all 3 shots), yet now we’re close to another lockdown. I don’t remember the exact number, but almost everyone that’s in the hospital now are vaccinated. How’s the logic here?
@@ricksterdrummer2170 So almost everyone is vaccinated, and almost everyone in the hospital is vaccinated? You do realize that makes perfect sense right? I'd wager the hospitalization rates are fairly low, and that 10% is over represented.
“That’s not what we’ve read before…” What he “read before” (and kept citing) was a NON PEER REVIEWED study. Not only can I not listen to him anymore because of his ignorance and blatant disregard for science and humanity, but he’s a first-class hypocrite for always espousing how important it is to take care of your body and physical health. EXCEPT for when it comes to a deadly virus that’s killed hundreds of thousands. I can’t even with him.
You fools believe whatever some idiots tell you but then act like you the genius when you follow people who keep changing their data their studies and more each year lol only the young children who barely been alive do not know how this bs works
Here’s another outrage that’s peer-reviewed, Rogan has never been even remotely funny and his contention that other comics would steal his material is the closest thing to comedy he’s ever said!
Probably because it’s a bullshit non peer reviewed study from some random website you got from google or your Facebook comments. Or they don’t allow links in their comments. Either way no one here cares about the anti vax propaganda here. Take your pro covid comments elsewhere
I tried to reply to you with a link to an amazon page for the purchase of an electric bass guitar and it disappeared. Care to tell who might be conspiring against bass guitars?
Moving goalposts and attacking the source at the same time. Classic moves when people are in the wrong and are trying to find the way out. Proof that Joe Rogan isn't some open minded guy and is out of touch.
Josh did a really good job. You could tell he was ready for battle without being overly confrontational. I suppose he watched the Gupta and Rhonda Patrick episodes where things didn't go very well to prep. Joe only has a few arguments he uses over and over.
@@HallyVee The most recent one he did Rhonda on Covid about six months ago. He used to lap up everything she said so I don't think she was expecting so much pushback. It didn't seem like Gupta watched that episode, if he had I suspect he would have done. I think Zepps made an impact on Rogan but will it last longer than a thought in your average golden retriever's mind is the question.
Exactly. I'm not a doctor, but it looks like they're trying to retrofit the recent (last one year) spike in myocarditis incidence to the disease starting two year ago, though the myocarditis cases came to the forefront a year later (starting early-mid 2021) shortly after a certain something came onto the scene.
@@Milkmans_Son I am being serious that it well COULD be the vaccine, but that possibility is not generally explored in the MSM. It's so heavily avoided (or else ridiculed or quickly dismissed) that it's hard for me to not suspect that it's at least possible that something more is going on that they don't want us (the public) to know. Am I certain? No. Do I have serious doubts we're being dealt with honestly by govt and media? Yes.
Literally came here to say just this. The guy who used to dare people to eat rancid animal genitalia is really the best option for people to help decide what to put in their bodies?
can you name some of the studies that say exactly so, since it would be weird because even normal common cold can cause myocarditis, and there are studies on that.
I wonder how it feels knowing that you willingly helped push people towards making a decision that has led to a massive increase in their chance of having an exponentially shittier life or dying
Anyone have a link to that study? Im wondering if the covid myocarditis statistics were taken from unvaccinated or breakthrough infections or both. People with the booster shot are still getting covid so in that case are the risks additive?
Wait… The disease itself is more dangerous than the cure??? That’s impossible!!
The vaccine is not a cure lol but it’s very effective.
@@drstone6798 hyperbole much?
@@drstone6798 Go troll somewhere else...so obsessed with David.
@@drstone6798 underlying health issues, not the vaccine
"Search your feelings. You know it to be true!" - Darth Fauci, probably
This is probably the biggest problem with vaccine hesitancy. People get snippets of information that, by themselves, are frightening, but when put into context, show that getting vaccinated, is the lesser of two evils. That’s where getting advice from your doctor, is really important. They know your health risks, and can advise you which vaccine is best for you.
So true.
You’re right, however every time you go to your doctor for a procedure or new medication there are warnings about possible problems that could arise. These people are acting like complications and side effects are something new! The problem is folks using anything associated with the pandemic for political or monetary gain.
@@Junkinsally The problem is that people somehow have a problem with getting vaccinated for COVID-19 but they are perfectly with clogging about the ICU when they get sick or taking brand new medications (as if taking a new pill is different from taking a new vaccine)..
@@smartass0124 Where is your data?
And they only seek info that will reinforce their preconceived notions.
What a free thinker!
He’s literally STRUGGLING to accept this info 😳
@@drstone6798 [has] no verbs.
@@jd0604 the info you believe and trust is also questionable so what do we do sit on the fence forever?
His ego is too strong for him to admit he’s wrong. He really has lost his way.
I should like to point out that Joe Rogan
a) has an audience that he is playing to
b) is not a doctor
c) said he's an idiot and nobody should listen to him full stop.
People with belief systems like this are never going to admit that they're wrong when they're confronted like this. It's normal to get defensive and try to argue for your "side". But if he's confronted with enough evidence it's possible that over the course of a few months he could slowly come to realize that he's fallen for a bunch of BS.
Joe Rogan then unlearns he’s wrong about Covid vaccines from his next guest.
Yeah he just agrees with whoever is on his show lol. This has been his schtick for a long time.
Supposedly it's a conversation style. Aimed at getting the guest comfortable and willing to to be more open.
@@xq8152 And platforming disingenuous grifters.
@@xq8152 chicken and egg kinda thing
@@drstone6798 cocaine use
Last time Dr. Rhonda Patrick was on Joe Rogans podcast she told Joe the same thing. And he basically acted the same way.
So he learned nothing? What a surprise.
@@clarkkent1521 pretty much. That when I also decided to stop listening to JRE. He had her on so many times and once she’s stated that Covid causes more ailments then the vaccine you can see his uncomfortable reaction.
The Rhonda Patrick interview was a joke because she wasn’t prepared or informed enough to rebuttal a lot of his nonsense. So many questions in that interview were answered by “I don’t know” by Rhonda. Another disappointing opportunity for a guest to check Rogan.
Yes that I did see.
gop logic now is to ignore the 99 out of 100 people telling you facts and stuff that is true, but rather trust hte ONE person out of that 100 saying not to do ' so and so ' because ' so and so ' .....
How could Dr. Rogan be wrong?! lol WHAT A JOKE!!!!
no shit hey, too many people stupidly would take Joe Rogan's "medical" advise over their own actual doctors.
What happens when some idiot suffers complications as result of something Joe prescribes?
Do they go him for help, do they get to sue him for "malpractice" or do they go to a hospital with doctors for treatment.
@@drstone6798 your trolling, and spelling, are both weak. Go try another channel.
@@drstone6798 you have zero impact troll
@@drstone6798 Please try using an English guide. Your grammar is the worst.
@@drstone6798 That probably sounded better in your language.
Oh this didn’t age well
I’ve said this time and time again. Joe doesn’t do his own research he trust his “friends” logic and what they are saying.
Sounds like every other Republican type out there, not one of them can think for themselves. Mob mentality is dangerous.
He believes things his "friend" Alex Jones says.
Joe Rogan a republican gtfoh. You obviously never watched or listened much
@@jasondadarria and not only is this true, but bizzarely because of projection they make "doing your own research" like the central pillar of why they are smarter than everyone else. anytime a Repub says something bad about something else, they are probably exposing what is bad about them
He's a meat head, that's why.
"Depending on who you ask" is a republican talking point now
You know, ask a virologist who has decades in the field vs. Joe Six Pack who loves Trump and has read a lot of VAERS stuff that sounds pretty serious. Both opinions are surely equal right? That virologist is just elitist!
Always was. Uncle Tommy on facebook has some real interesting theories on colloidal silver.
@@aeroripper I used to have a partner who thought the same way - that his opinion on anything was absolutely as valid as someone with decades of experience in any given field, because ‘opinions’, by definition, are born equal, according to him. He was utterly exhausting.
@@lornarettig3215 as a historian; I run into many of these kind of people on FB and in RUclips comments.
@@drstone6798 "afletes" where did you go to school?
How does Joe know about these cases, if they are under reported..?
Y'know how omicron is mild but super infectious? It's almost impossible to tell how many people shrugged it off or were completely asymptomatic. Anecdotally everyone I know who works in public got sick of something this past month.
@@drstone6798 Stop liking yourself troll
Remember his scapegoat is he’s just a stupid comedian lol
Because he's making it up to fit his narrative.
@@urwifesmacho777 and he's not much of a comedian either
What if you get vaccines and then get Covid? Does getting Covid after vaccine increase chance of myocarditis even more???
The pathophysiology of COVID-19-related myocarditis is thought to be a combination of direct viral injury and cardiac damage due to the host’s immune response. I would think "direct viral injury" is a non-issue for the vaccine since you aren't actually getting infected with a replicating virus. Which leaves severity of immune response, which will typically be much lower following a vaccine, and would also be lower for a vaccinated person getting subsequently infected with covid because they already have established some immunity to the virus. Regardless, I see no reason to think that heart inflammation would be additive by first getting vaccinated and then getting a vaccine-inhibited covid infection.
Source?
@@timberger212 use your browser.
@@glenelkin1 u a doctor?
@@jareds5520 wrong
This is watching Joe Rogan "doing his own research" in real time...
Joe Rogan didn't post this on RUclips. This is the spread of medical misinformation by David pakman. Basically he is saying David pakman is smarter than doctors and he knows more than you and spreading the information to RUclips which is against their community guidelines. Joe Rogan isn't posting this.
@@richardhorn7688 then where did David get this clip if it wasn’t posted?
@@richardhorn7688 your post is nonsensical.
@@lowroad4257 thank god someone said it, I read the post twice and thought my brain was melting.
@@richardhorn7688 What are you talking about. Where do you think Packman got it from?
Rogan is a moron by his own admission. If you think David is spreading misinformation then post your source right here to the correct information.
Joe is a perfect example of the overarching problem of uneducated people who are actually smart trying to think for themselves without the right information-based it's kind of like he's someone who doesn't know the whole alphabet but yeah he's still trying to write a book
It doesn't take alot of education to understand what a peer reviewed study is...ESPECIALLY when we're talking about the medical field. I don't disagree with the fundamental point you're making, I just don't agree that Rogan is a smart person. He's a guy that thinks he's smarter than he actually is because he surrounds himself with idiots regularly and also interviews smart people as a business. An actual smart person understands that arguing with medical and science sector experts when you're a comedian and podcast host is asinine. Only two other answers are arrogance/hubris or he's just another conservative meathead now...which still plays out with you not being too smart anyway.
The Dunning-Kruger is strong with him.
@@smartass0124 exhausted of too much schoolwork.
@@smartass0124 nothing you said is true. “Every” athlete isn’t collapsing from the vaccine, that’s clearly a lie. Millions and millions have been safely vaccinated and the overwhelming majority of those hospitalised are unvaccinated. If you care so much about people’s health, why aren’t you concerned about the number of unvaccinated people ending up in hospital?
"Dr. Rogan" strikes again with his vaccine hesitancy.
Are people self-reporting side effects that cannot be self-diagnosed, such as myocarditis? Then I would like to report increased IQ and peace of mind after receiving the vaccines.
GOOD ONE.
I am still waiting for my powers of magnetism. I just got the BioNTech booster today, so maybe there's a chance.
It's the same people who have self reported themselves to be so medically unfit to be able to wear a simple mask.
That's what VAERS is. Just a whole bunch of self reporting without any verifying. It's ridiculous that anyone uses it as "proof" and expects to be taken seriously.
@@Nails_By_Kimberlee We should either make reports visible only to medical professionals, or get rid of it entirely; it seems to be causing more harm than good right now.
This isn't true. Moderna dose 2 blows COVID out of the water in terms of myocarditis risk. You can't present statistics that include first doses, because the second dose creates incremental risk. By including dose 1 myocarditis stats, you are understating the risk.
Second of all, if the vaccines don't prevent infection, this point becomes far less important. You're subjecting yourself to the risk twice.
"Joe Rogan learns..."
Bold of you to assume that, David.
Not really
Rogan maybe has goldfish genes from the juice he takes.
Joe treats new information like a child treats new food. Tries new food and if he doesn't like it, a couple days later it leaves his body, never to be used again. If the kid likes the food, he wants to eat it for every meal.
@@jaygothejakehernandez8908 he certainly didn’t learn from his Michael Osterholm. He had a complete wipe of whatever expert advice or opinion he gained from him.
There are clips going about where it cuts from his Michael osterholm interview where joe is agreeing with him and what the medical consensus is, to a “few weeks later” and joe is repeating fuelling misinformation from the likes of Malone.
This is one of the funniest comments I’ve seen thus far, thank you my friend. You’re hilarious
It'll be interesting to watch whether he gets out of the rabbit hole of disinformation or not.
I hope so, I was a huge fan for about 10 years
It won’t. It’s too profitable.
He was a long-time moon landing denier. He has mentioned several times how "he used to think" when critizing conspiracy nuts like his buddy Eddie, but here we are. I don't see Joe admitting he was wrong and dangerously irresponsible. At best he'll shut up about it. Or go full flat earth. Time will tell.
@@jimboslice3646 Yeah, I know. And I think he still believes Bob Lazar and that the bigfoot is real.
@@jimboslice3646 when this spike of conservative listeners stop listening he will come to reason. And they will stop listening eventually. Most of the stuff Joe says goes strongly against traditional conservative values.
Jaime is lowkey fighting against Joe. He doesn't even realize it.
Straight up! Lmfao!!!
Jamie Stayed Silent on not google ling the false stuff Tim Pool does. and then Joe had Josh appologize to Tim Pool.
I’d love to sit Jamey down and ask what he REALLY thinks about Joe and his opinions.
After the show - "don't ever embarrass me like that again"
Jaime is a lefty for sure, but he had a talking to by Joe because it would get to a point where the guests are contesting Jaime. Joe is a narcissist like that he can't have anyone else talk to the guest.
Oh a human was wrong and then showed the factual information right after? More people should do that. Give your head a shake
Agreed. But they won't shake their heads. Listen to the dude in the video. He's a perfect example of "projection". Carl Jung would be proud.
Bs
@@VerissimusAurelius?
The study that is presented is no proof. Learn the basics about medical resarch. You arrogance is only surpassed by your ignorance.
Only 1% of adverse reactions from the jab get reported.. including the heart issues
He trusts people on the internet telling him to take ivermectin but doesn’t trust a peer reviewed study 🤦♀️
We glorify the slacker and the smart guy is always a nerd. Who is popular in high school? Not the chess champion. Duuuuuuuude.
Joe was secretly already taking horse meds before covid so...
@@todd-617 lol…
Are you talking about the studies done all over the world showing ivermectin’s effectiveness? Mexico? India? Japan? In early treatment it’s literally lowered hospitalizations and even deaths in poorer countries where literally millions of people have taken it. I can’t believe people are still calling it a horse drug it’s ridiculously stupid.
@@mattbish8474 just get vaccinated. Lol
“ I meant young men.”
“Wait, I meant children.”
“Oh I’m wrong? Nah I no believe study.”
🤣👍
450 out of 1 million is less than 1/2 of one tenth of one percent. Not really worth arguing about
Joe Rogan's ape brain strikes again.
The thing that amazes me about the kind of behavior you capture with that comment is, "Do those people not realize everyone else can tell?" It's not a socially difficult thing to identify someone's pre-existing beliefs and measure how much they evade information that might challenge it.
I get this vibe like they think nobody else can see their fly is undone so long as they keep crossing their legs.
No anti-vaxxer is savvy about the way they cover their eyes and ears.
@@timesathousand he referred to another study later. there are many studies, not all consistent.
in either case, 0.00045 is not very releveant statistically.
what a scared little man, cant just say "oh i guess i was wrong"
Yea he’s such a beta. I say this because he rarely challenges ideas, and is compelled for everyone to like him.
And 100% agree with you. He should just step up, say I was wrong, and move on. But no, he keeps perpetuating his stupidity. Such a shame.
@@Domzdream yea well said theres a deep insecurity in there
men made up vast pantheons of gods, codes and language's of angels, eons of fantasy's and tragedy's, wars and genocides, rather then say " i dont know."
@@comfortsuites4465 100%
@@comfortsuites4465 great point
This didn't age well at all: www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9025013/
just saw a study about what Joe Rogan said to Josh Zepps and what do you know, he was RIGHT, and Josh is wrong, and so are you.
do you have the courage to apologise to Joe Rogan?
It just blows my mind how far he has fallen. I remember for the brief time that I was being hoodwinked by Candace Owens, I stopped respecting her opinion after her interview with Rogan where he tore her down over her flippant attitude towards Climate Change. He brought up facts and statistics and she literally said the same thing that he says in this clip (though admittedly, she goes a bit farther): "well where are you getting this? A dot-com? We can't trust that they're getting paid." It's been truly sad to watch his fall, because he is someone I used to truly enjoy watching, and it is now so difficult to enjoy his show.
You sir are dumb to listen to Rogan and Candace! Candace went from hating your guy trump to his biggest support! That should tell you she's only after the money!
Some people never grow up. Joe Rogan still has a ways to go. It is nice to see other people evolving out of this childish behavior. Congrats, seriously. I'm glad you have seen through this childishness
@@calm1047
Hey no need to get nasty and call people dumb. Ironic, since your RUclips name is calm.
I don't watch JRE for Rogan. I watch it because he can book fascinating guests due to the popularity of his podcast. Rogan is skilled in steering a conversation to keep it interesting though. Credit where due and all.
Me too, I used to listen to him all the time, I guess the universe corrected me before I went down his rabbit hole.
Why is Rogan even an authority on anything medical, political, scientific or economic? All I see is a meathead with no shame, who was an MMA fighter and a former host of a goofy game show. Apparently, Rogan is considered a well-informed, well-studied, thoughtful intellectual in America. America is effing doomed.
Correct about everything except he was never a MMA fighter..
Well he does have a folder on his phone with all the articles that he claims to be an expert of. So there’s that, lol 😂
@@jasonp357 My mistake, I barely even knew he existed until about a year ago. Wasn't he some kind of wrestler or fighter or something like that?
@C K in his supporters' minds, Joe isn't lying to them and bring on experts that confirm his beliefs
@@50jakecs nope just a "comedian" although I don't blame you for not knowing as none of his stand up is memorable, in fact Joe's biggest claim to fame in stand up is being a gatekeeper in a night club who buries comedians that don't kiss his ass and exposing Carlos Mencia as a joke thief
I mean Joe Rogan himself says he is often drunk or high and just bullshits on his show. I don't know why one takes him seriously. But he has biggest audience and they trust him. People cannot distinguish between bro chat and serious medical advise.
@@drstone6798 none of what you wrote is true. You are trying to spread misinformation
I dont think youre allowed to hide behind the guise of "bro chat" when you have doctors promoting misinformation during a global pandemic. He's got to have some sense of social responsibility.
@@drstone6798 🐡 has a greater intellect than you.
@@franklinprichard9151 Lol if you are on his podcast you suspend strict guidelines and flirt around with some bro chat. Even as a doctor. That's why people love Rogan's podcast. He doesn't make it academic and even with some brain farts he makes it interesting. But again if you don't go with what your personal doctor says then its on you.
@@morecharacterswithamix9067 u realize a large portion of his audience probably doesn't go to a doctor right? Malone Wasnt sharing his opinion, he was intentionally misrepresenting data to fit his narrative.
This is just a perfect example of lazy uninspired journalism. The guy clearly didn’t listen to the whole episode and just picked out parts to fit his narrative. Hope you’re glad you just flushed your credibility down the toilet
Says the guy who thinks this Peter guy invented mRNA vax 🤣
@@arthurmorgan332 says the guy who says this Peter guy .......
Pakman never had any cred total shill
Rogan was clearly wrong so not sure what context could add.
@@Cumtopia18 a shill would be someone like Kyle Kulinski who doesn't have the balls to call out his buddy Rogan else he would never be invited back.
“Jamie, bring up the clip of the gorillas moving those goalposts…
…No, not that one, the one where they’re refusing to hear facts while they do it”
Keep drinking the kool-aid Bobby. I mean Keep taking the vaccine and then the next one and the next one and the next one and the next one. Now we want you to take another vaccine for this new strain. Don't forget to take your flu vaccine
Bobby if I misunderstood you then I apologize in advance
@@workingman4918 it’s ok, I know words can be tough for morons who drink urine, eat horse paste & simp for celebrities.
Just sound the letters out, you got this.
I believe in you.
Lol
@@workingman4918 You're just mad because it's funny.
Joe learned the earth is not flat from Eddie Bravo.
Wait a minute ... the earth's not flat?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
Eddie Bravo is the flat Earther, not Joe Rogan.
Lol my son once said to a flat earther, I don’t know, you turn left at Vancouver you get to China and you turn right at Newfoundland and get to China 🤷
@@angiezgiet9748 @Angie. Clint is attempting irony.
The American public pays attention to a wrestling commentator rather than medical professionals 😅🤣😂
Yup, America is doomed.
There’s a lot of Stoopids out there. I always thought they were there but I had no idea there were THIS many. No idea!
and clowns like MTG , boebert and gop senators who make no sense
He's NOT a "wrestling commentator"....he's a punch drunk pot head mma commentator. LOL.
dont remind me = " America" land of the anti-intellectuals uggggh
Why shouldn't someone be curious where the study came from? Should I equally consider tobacco studies funded by big tobacco? The myocarditus risk among young children was always the concern. It's not goal post moving but that doesn't matter. Content creator put Joe Rogan name on podcast, clip apart a discussion, represent it for you and tell you what you should believe.
Sure you can be curious. He’s not being that. He’s had his point or view shaken and he’s grasping to hold onto that narrative. Did he ask where all for the info about he’s current opinions came from. Of course not. A peer reviewed study should have more weight than an opinion and the issue is it’s the other way around in media.
@@MichaelRonnfeldt to be fair Joe was referencing an article from the Guardian that said exactly what Joe was talking about. Turns out the Guardian was wrong, based on the clip shown here. So, is Joe at fault for believing them or is the Guardian at fault for being the ones releasing misinformation? I'd say the latter. Joe isn't a journalist, is he?
I wonder if Joe Rogan treated this "other thing he read that said differently" with the same skepticism as he did this peer reviewed paper? 😂
Or any of the crap he injected/swallowed when he got COVID.
No he likely got the info from a quack that has an American flag as a backdrop in their profile picture.
Yeah.....right.
@@MalikChrom I don't think you can avoid COVID, it's already infected people in arctic research labs for example.
@@MalikChrom The problem is when people don't listen or believe in scientific facts. With results showing it's far better to be vaccinated in our fight against covid than not. Kinda like wearing a bullet proof vest. Everyone isn't getting shot but those who do will most likely survive wearing the vest. Or maybe like getting into a car crash, those who wear the seatbelts are more likely to survive. 🤔 The analogies are endless. I wonder what makes someone so defiant against the science? Do you think Joe questioned the other info he's received or did he just say to himself, hmmmm this seems right! 🤯
"I'm talking about adults..... I'm talking about young adults...... I'm talking about teenagers"..... "I'm talking about kids"....... "I'm talking about toddlers"
"I'm talking about single celled organisms"
@@marlonblade007 😂🤣😡
😂😂😂
@@marlonblade007 comment of the century 🤣🤣🤣
Joe Rogan spent then entire 2010s telling the world how dumb he is. Literally called himself a dummy and told people dont lsiten to him. Now he's one of the most important "thinkers" in the world. This is scary.
Those are 2 things I don't associated together, Joe Rogan and "Thinker"
@@AncientHippie Pakman is a shill.
It’s not him people listen too it’s his guests which for the most part are all credible people in their fields. You should go give some of the podcasts a listen smarty pants
What’s scary is people like you ... who think that Rogan is trying to convince people what to believe... like CNN or BBC... when in FACT he is getting guests on who offer differing opinions and information who are BANNED from airing their views on such channels and media outlets.... if you are so blinkered and happy living in the narrative , without even questioning anything about what is going on around the world , then good luck to you. Coz one day you’ll be awake and it’ll be too late .
Vote President Camacho 2024
Where did you get this information about increased myocarditis from COVID-19?
Lol, all over. Easy to find.
It's like a B or C level student arguing with a teacher and claiming an A grade.
@@drstone6798 That doesn’t even make sense.
@@drstone6798 You need a better english translation program.
That’s a bit insulting to B and C graders 😂
🤣
This is a freshmen, non-major science course student trying to argue with a department head in their area of study.
When Rogan presents a study it is all facts, but when someone else does it, then the validity must be questioned.
Because Rogan pulls studies from his ass and Alex Jones.
No that’s clearly NOT true, this was a prime example of Joe Rogan getting it wrong but of course he won’t admit it because the evidence doesn’t fit with his agenda!
@@bellabana you're the same thing as op (who is pointing out the hypocrisy)
he accepts VAERS as entirely true but peer reviewed studies as "who are these people?" 😂
@@bellabana yese rthe side who uniroincally votd for a sen il old folks home patient who destroyed the country, over thre best pres in mdoern history, is def the side of reason
Another advantage is, when someone gets myocarditis after the vaccine, doctors can treat it early and effectively, because they know it’s a side effect of the vaccine, and they know how to medicate the patient. After an asymptomatic Covid infection, it’s more difficult to identify a myocarditis and treat it immediately.
@@drstone6798 Can you show proof 1) that it happened, 2) if it did, how many athletes, and 3) if it did happen, it wasn't some other treatment, medical condition or overexertion that caused them to collapse? But I bet you can't because FB and Twitter memes are not primary sources of information.
@@50jakecs lmao
No, athletes aren't collapsing. And definitely not because of the vaccine. That's fake news and has been debunked.
@@50jakecs Dr Stone definitely can’t, it’s a lie - but we knew that. Reuters asked a bunch of sports governing bodies and none of them were aware of any incidents. It appears someone made a montage of sports stars having medical issues - some clips pre vaccine, some pre Covid, and now the conspiracy theorists have latched on to it. Two years in and they’re still deep into this BS
@@drstone6798 Athletes have been passing out on the field forever!
Not only was Joe right, he did the ethical thing by encouraging fact checking..this is how conversations should go. Compare facts and sources and educate one another
Bingo!
🤣compare facts🤣
“It’s not what I read before…”
Then he starts questioning the source???
Where’d he get his original info??? 😂😂 O Vairs…
He's been citing a peer reviewed study for months that showed risk of myocarditis in young children was higher from the vaccine than from covid. It's an important question how do we reconcile these two studies. Dismissing it as anti Vax fuels the conspiracies and casts doubt on science in general.
Edit: couldn't find the study but found the link joe usually refers to one may exist.
@@rickybobby3361 interesting, can you give any examples of these peer related views?
@@rickybobby3361 I'm curious too. Can only find a bs "study" cited on fox that was not peer reviewed and from questionable sources. Sources that were more interested in anti vaccine ideas than science
@@rickybobby3361 lol which peer study?
@@rickybobby3361 it's been well knows that there is a risk of myocarditis from viral infections. covid even more so and it isn't just one study, we have multiple studies demonstrating this by now since we're 2 years into this pandemic
Yes, David….Rogan generally reevaluates his ideas. That is part of his popularity is that he doesn’t hide the fact that he is searching for what truth he can find from many different perspectives. And one big factor in this is he has such a wide variety of guests and he often has challenging conversations where he and his guest openly explore a point of disagreement in order to arrive at possibly new conclusion. It is a dialectic process.
He talks to specialists and experts and journalists. Dr. Peter McCullough is more of an expert than Josh Szeps who is a journalist and the question of where your information is coming from is at the heart of how to weigh new information. A journalist saying “Hey, look here is an article about a study” may not carry as much weight in the moment as a doctor tell you something like “this is concerning”. He is allowed to be discerning and change his mind if he finds enough evidence to the contrary….
So, hey, man, something Rogan has that you don’t are guests and not all who agree with him. And that is part of his success. Get yourself back on his show…he’d probably be very open to it. Keep lying about him talking horse medicine….maybe he’ll bring you on. IDK.
The fact is the latest studies show Joe is right about this issue. Many articles show the vaccine myocaditis is worse than getting it for covid.
@@rjlee818 if you could put a link to those studies…it would be helpful.
And thank you for seeing my point. But to clarify it …much of science isn’t as conclusive as we like to think especially in the midst of an emerging event…that isn’t to say it isn’t ever conclusive but a healthy dose of questioning is necessary for the process to arrive at some approximation of the truth which can reach impressive level of precision much of the time. But often we are wading through many studies that say very different things…all most non-scientist like me or Rogan or for that matter Pakman can do is defer to expert opinions (which don’t always coincide), personal discretion (which is a very imperfect but personalized set of standards that resist quick, easy shifts of opinions) and due diligence (which is irregular or non existent at best for most normal people who don’t have time to sift through all information). It is a messy process and letting people go through it on their own without bad mouthing them is my MO.
By the way, I watched this episode of Rogan and the the guest, Josh Szeps, has been on his show more than 6 times over the past year….Rogan is talking to him like a friend and kicking around ideas and questions…I think David is a little disingenuous in his presentation of the clip.
And contrary to the “take that” culture created by our media…Joe even said that reflecting on that conversation he really wasn’t prepared to talk about that issue, which means he would have wanted to prepare better to have a more quality conversation and make better points….instead he improvised it and the results were mixed….which is refreshing to hear from people…the media never do that and instead they double down on whatever narrative they invested in…so we need more people like Rogan…stop shaming him because he doesn’t always have perfect knowledge or officially sanctioned opinions, he has a right to be that way. Nobody who is a fan of him consider him an expert on anything outside of comedy and MMA. And that is why people like him…he’s not pretentious and he has some amazing guests and conversations.
ruclips.net/video/J2wEPKgoWtg/видео.html
The “this is what I want to believe” fallacy. Joe has already publicly stated his beliefs, therefore, anything that challenges his beliefs must be faulty.
you can see in justifying his beliefs as new information was coming in challenging his claims and beliefs: "but not young ppl though..." "oh, it includes young ppl, then it doesn't include fetuses." moving the goalpost is right. he tries not to look stupid, but he doesn't do it the way trump does. he still does it and he is still wrong, but he tries to save face.
He wasn’t always like this, it’s a shame. In fact he often called people out for living in an echo chamber when it came to their views, yet he’s now doing just that. Especially with Covid.
@@SayAhh What's funny is joe is actually right... stop listening to what the MSM are reporting and you might see that the CDC have been proven to be under reporting Myocarditis occurrences and lying about the numbers. You are just as likely to get Myocarditis if not more from the vaccine than you are from Covid. I get my information from virologists and doctors who have an objective view on the numbers.
Joe changes his mind and narrative all the time. People like you shouldn't have such a confident opinion for something you don't know wtf youre talking about. Gotta love all the hypocrites and irony in this thread.
@@varisia281 please list your sources. Also, we can treat myocarditis better than we can treat COVID. Also, monoclonal treatment is starting to not have an effect on the newer variants or something. When COVID becomes MRSA-like and nothing can treat it, then we'll see what new excuses antivaxxers will come up with. Most doctors will tell you that the benefits of the vaccine outweighs its risks.
2020 Athletes are fine. 2021 Athletes are falling. You do the math.
I know most of your audience has hated Rogan for a while, but I've always been a listener. I never cared that I disagreed with him on a lot because he didn't seem like a grifter and rightly recognized he doesn't know shit. There have been many excellent guests over the years. This vaccine arc has been different. It's ruined it for me. I mean, he was once a moon landing denier, so I guess I should have known he was capable of this kind of thinking and cognitive bias. It's disappointing. It's not as if there is nothing to criticize, but he has really bought into the bullshit and it's tainted every episode.
Spot on
Exactly how I feel. Now my hope is that just like his come to reality moment with the moon landing he does the same with this covid stuff. The consequences are obviously much greater believing and spewing the covid nonsense he does than the moon stuff back in the day. But hoping he can turn a corner back to reality sooner than later
I've hardly watched an episode since he moved to spotify, bar some MMA stuff, and a few random guests.
His mental gymnastics over the last year or so, haven't made me feel that I'm missing out on much.
This. 💯%
Same here. I actually miss how his show used to be.
Joe Rogan exists in an echo chamber, surrounded by people who will tell him he’s right. He’s a Right-Wing grifter, simple.
Joe is the calm version of Alex Jones
joe rogan bad
Rather than saying, “look Rogan is wrong”, why not highlight the fact that unlike the legacy media, Rogan having open conversations and debates that allows us to learn together.
Seriously! He’s framing his stories for max virtue signaling to his listeners. This Pakman guy is treating Rogan like he’s a blue ghost lol
Cause fk Joe Rogan, that's why.
"the real problem with VAERS is over reporting".... What study is that claim from?
My niece, an healthy 8 years old, got myocarditis from COVID-19. She recovered thanks to excellent hospital treatment but we had two very scary weeks
Yeah, cause you recover from myocarditis. No biggie.
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When the jab cause myocarditis, suddenly the coff cause myocarditis too. Nice. Doesn't that sound like a cover up?
@@Rays_K Only to people that do not understand how immunity works
Glad to hear she's doing okay.
Couple of questions:
- who funded the study?
- what are the results now 1 year later?
These are all questions you can check now.
Stopping the interview every 5 to 10 seconds to interject is extremely annoying.
That's his whole schtick. He's like the Ben Shapiro of the left. These types are not beneficial for progress because they feed on the conflict. They're like professional race hustlers, but with politics instead of racial issues. I get tired of watching his show after 10 minutes of the same thing, even when he's right. I think a good chunk of the reasons many regular people dislike the left is embodied in David Pakman's personality. It's just maddening.
@@scratchpenny I don't like or dislike the "left" or "right." I just dislike his relentless interjecting in the video. It's ridiculously annoying. Saying I'm for the left or right would be like saying I only like hot or cold; naturally, I like warm. Or only liking black or white (colors in general, not skin tone) when there's clearly an appealing variety of grey tones in-between. Society needs to drop the whole right/left thing. It's stupid.
@@quanah Fair enough, but we need to go away from people like this to get away from that.
@@scratchpenny True
300% increase in professional footballers with heart issues compared to last 9 years combined
Inconvenient facts aren't welcomed in the david's brought to you by pfizer show. Still waiting for his apology for getting so much of covid wrong. Zero critical thinking skills, trusting corporations that have paid billions in criminal finds. Not very astute at all. Embarrassing really. At least trump and David agree on something. They both wrongly believe this vaccine has saved millions of lives. Not based in reality, but when your trying to force a dangerous product on people, a little window dressing goes a long way.
And not a single issue so far with any player in the NFL, NBA, WNBA, NHL, etc... 300% of 1, is 3. 300% means nothing without context.
That's pretty bad. Just goes to show what covid can do, eh?
i'll still never understand why some people take Joe Rogan, the ex-host of Fear Factor, seriously.
@Donna Lemon so you take some Chad that would dare people to eat pig testes on TV seriously?
Same can be said about whoopi Goldberg
Because he's thinking for himself and is a threat to their agenda and he may cause others to think for themselves rather than being blind sheeple 🐑 like yourself 🤷
@@joejoemorechrist6886 sarcasm?
@@joejoemorechrist6886 The world is going through a pandemic not a wrestling match 😅🤣😂
He's actually made a statement about this and apologizes saying he was wrong.... you should look into that, no one is reporting on that
link please
Umm, yeah. Link to that “statement”?
It's true guys...he admitted to it..it's easy to look up.
@@dukeblair7792 So it's so easy to look up yet no one is reporting on it?
Actually he was caught unprepared to this (new) old info. There is a better paper published in nature in December with more data, less biais that says the opposite of what Josh says… so may be Rogan not so wrong in his beliefs /understanding, just not a specialist that needs time and contradictory debate to firm up his mind. In this case, because he thought he might be wrong, he accepted the possibility of being wrong. True journalism would go beyond, search for more info especially the latest available and then ask experts of different opinions for their analysis. There has been tons of BS papers lately with a lot of cherry picking to prove one thing or the opposite. Data analysis is hard, especially when data is insufficient and of poor quality.
So you’re upset with him for being skeptical?
So you are upset with him for pointing out the stupidity of Joe?
No, we're upset with him because he clearly had no clear knowledge of what he was saying and even when presented with clear evidence from a highly educated and qualified person still had be dragged kicking and screaming into admitting he was wrong.
Myo and pericarditis is also high in those that take roids
They were initially talking about younger people. Joe told Jamie to look up the facts. He found a study that was different than what he had seen in the past so he asked where are we getting this to verify which one is correct. Seems like a completely rational exchange. If more people were like this maybe we could change some stuff
when you try to dispute the validity/credibility of a source but you trust whatever shit you read before and/or heard from some other dude, there's nothing rational at all...
typical "i'm on the right side of the argument" syndrome, which is quite funny (and sad) because rogan had always tried to fight that type of behavior up until recently.
he seems pretty irrelevant now, with his conventional/expected take on things because he literally can have a strong and definitive opinion in one podcast, then do a complete 180 in the next...it is fine in your living room with your friends, but when u have such a huge platform, it is not in my opinion.
@@AndThenShwarmaAfter it's called the Joe Rogan experience ..if people don't like his opinions don't listen him .. he's spoke with medical experts and discussed topics for hours upon hours and constantly reminds people he's a meat head ,who likes to talk to people about things he finds interesting .. you would want him to be censored ? Or only say what you want to hear ? mainstream media got caught out lying about him and he confronted nthem on his podcast. . how do you feel about a huge platform like CNN blatantly lying ?? They broadcast into everyone's living room ? JRE on Spotify
@@AndThenShwarmaAfter so Joe was right after all and mind you, he doesn’t care about being right for the sake of pride. He cares to be right cause it’s the ethical and moral thing to do.
Whoa, people still watch this channel? I'm surprised.
Oh, man, that was a good one. You really got him.
Joe is fighting incredibly hard to be wrong and it's weird to watch. This whole "only question the source when it doesn't agree with me" approach is certainly a strange one. It's quite unfortunate that Jamie's livelihood essentially depends on him going along with Joe, because if it didn't... I don't think he would hesitate to call him out on his increasingly ignorant bullshit.
This is exactly how brainwashed cult members react to being corrected on their beliefs. It is both fascinating and horrifying to see how deeply someone like Rogan has descended into the cult madness.
The downward spiral of Rogan and Lindell have been the more interesting developments of the last 2 years. Lindell currently has the evidence to put 300 million people in jail for life, so watch out guys.
Once covid and vaccines became a culture war issue facts doesnt really matter anymore. If you promote vaccines you are on "team big pharma" and thats enough to sway a lot of people to be on the opposing "team covid"
@@daveruda Who do they think makes ivermectin and monoclonal antibodies?
@@kronosx7 Oh yeah we are all going to the slammer, babies and all
450 is not 8 times higher than 67, not even 7 times higher. Actually just 6,72 times higher. So how about those goal posts moving..? You rounded 450 to 500, 67 to 60, so then it is 8 times higher, after moving goal posts two times...
You still get covid with the vaccine , so what are the myocarditis risks of having both the vaccine and covid
Oh no, let’s not ask valid and critical questions like this. People might think you’re a conspiracy theorist.
I think the side effect numbers from vaccination are massively under reported in the media and in trials and studies. Rogan just is sceptical of all the fingers in the covid pandemic pie as he should be. The amount of money involved far outweigh concerns for your life.
Spot on! If people think the government and these criminal companies (Cough ... Pfizer, Johnson & Johnson... Cough) care about their health then nobody can help them... too far gone.
These "elites" only have financial interest and nothing else. They couldn't give 2fucks about people's health lol.
Being sceptical and actually disagreeing with factual studies is a big difference, however.
@@owaindavies1076 factual for who? The people that get paid to do the study for the pharmaceutical company's? You and me? We mean less than nothing to these company's. Agree or disagree the damage has been done now regardless of what you and me think.
@@crazymage9636 so you’d disagree with empirical evidence but agree with a random person from facebook who shares similar biases against vaccinations? Data that has been backed up that throughly is factual, sorry to tell you…
@@owaindavies1076 does the person have to be from Facebook? Is that where the problem current non belivers lurk spreading their antivax propaganda? I dont use facebook. It's for bots and boomers. When you say thoroughly factual I don't think you know what lengths these giant companies will go to to push their vaccine's, sorry to tell you. You should just continue to watch the news because it's designed for you.
But without insulting your intelligence too much I respect your opinion and belief in the system.
Theres no pulling Joe back it seems if he's using the same conspiracy logic that he used to call out Eddie Bravo for.
Let's not forget Joe Rogan believed we never landed on the moon and thinks Canadians come to the US to get healthcare. People take him way too seriously... Joe is very good at articulating his feelings on issues and how things relate in his mind. I really do think he means well and is a thoughtful person... and a person with many talents... but he is NOT that technically smart of a dude. Listen to him talk about actual science or medical theory or political policies and you can see he is in over his head. I feel kind of bad for him in way because he is just an average dude who likes working out and grilling meat at his core, but now he has to be like this leading voice of reason who can't offend anyone or take sides.
I think he just needs to be careful, he is feeding into the extreme anti-vax echo-chamber more than I think he realizes or intends to and people will take what they want from that as reassurance that they are correct. I definitely dont think the vaccine is the end all be all of answers for covid, nor do I support forcing it on people, but it is definitely an effective, important tool that I think people should utilize and it DOES protect people against covid. It's also free. Joe can afford hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of treatments. Most of his followers cant.
@@foskco87
Good comment 👍
@@foskco87 When did he come out and say we didn't land on the moon? I remember distinctively that he called out Eddie for that shit he did a 180 on us like that?
@@foskco87 Most Canadians who can afford it do go the US to get serious medical procedures done (cancer treatments, surgeries, ect)
@@Gum_Cuzzler - America has the best medical care money can buy.
If you have the money.
And unfortunately, most Americans don't. Healthcare by the wealthy, for the wealthy, is not good public policy.
11/13/2022: Joe Rogan was right and Zepps was wrong.
Study?
When Joe was challenged on his position he was immediately willing to look it up. That shows that he is willing to learn when he is wrong and he is willing to have his beliefs challenged.
Now of course if someone is presented with facts that directly contradict what they believe, they're not going to flip their beliefs at once. That's not how humans work. People need time to process the fact that they were wrong before they change.
That's just because they have too much ego. If I know I'm wrong on something I said, I will immediately apologize and move on with that new information. This is not a humanity thing. It's a 21st century toxic mentality.
@@-gumby-3381 Not if we're talking about political opinions. Changing ones view is very difficult. I don't mean changing someone else's view, I mean for you to change your own views. That takes a lot of self-awareness of a person and it doesn't happen automatically.
Although I'm not a psychologist it seems like a very natural defense mechanism, because if you are presented with information that directly contradicts your existing beliefs then you would be very easily fooled if you automatically accepted it without treating the information with scepticism. It is relevant that all potential counter-arguments or problems with a piece of information may not be obvious to the recepient at first. For this reason it makes sense that there is a delay in a human's ability to accept information.
Here is how Joe Rogan was RIGHT... 1. ruclips.net/video/J2wEPKgoWtg/видео.html
2. ruclips.net/video/QLsN4CykjkE/видео.html
Here is the problem though, joe didn't challenge Malone's opinion on the same way.
@@-gumby-3381 you also aren’t on a podcast, being tracked on every word you say.
He has a responsibility to not just blatantly lie but being curious on other alternatives isn’t an ego problem.
Except he wasn’t wrong, that was not the latest research at the time.
Then why did he admit to being wrong?
@@dukeblair7792 because he is no expert on the matter and doesn’t read all papers himself? I think it is fair from him to admit he doesn’t know. He is open to change, but not blind to discrepancies between official discourse and reports from independent scientists. Rogan is no doc, he is a martial art specialist. If someone presents a paper that he is not aware of’ it is easy to catch him off garde, even if the paper is not without issues and actually obsolete…
@@dukeblair7792 in the moment he probably didn’t want to press the point when presented with contradictory information from an expert on a rapidly evolving topic.
@@markgamache6377 , he admitted he was wrong to it later...not at the moment.
@@markgamache6377 - Joe already admitted he was wrong about this and it was well after the interview with the latest research. Please grow up and get over yourself, you have know idea what you're talking about and it shows.
You can still get COVID with the vaccination so it would be interesting to see how many of those that got vaccinated and got COVID, got miocarditis. The question would be what caused the miocarditis. Maybe we will never know.
We actually do know. Because there are way smarter and caring people out there researching it. All while you do stuff all except write nonsense on the internet.
and teeny balls not the big bull kind the half blind truckers seem to love. God bless our little nuts.
Well surely would be the covid that caused it. The myocarditis came when the Covid infected the perso . Plus with the statistics it's far more likely to be the Covid than the vaccine because its far more likely.
This didn't age well.
Do you have any context? this just randomly appeared on my feed. Thanks
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@@darcie7773 the study showed in this video wasn't really correct so Joe is actually still right
@@mymaster416 ohh kay thanks
Joe Rogan: Well, that's not what I read.
Doctor: Be that as it may, Joe, I'm a doctor and I'm telling you that pee is not stored in the balls.
It isn’t???!!?! I’ve been calling my doink my “ball peeing hammer” all this time I’m so embarrassed 😞
and your brains not in your head. and im a brain surgeon
Dr. Joe may lose Aaron Rodgers as a patient if he actually believes the science.
You can still contract and spread covid if you have the vaccine, this is common knowledge now. I would be interested to see the cross section of individuals who were vaccinated that myocarditis from Covid.
80% of covid cases have mild or no symptoms, these are not included it this data. Only the most severe cases were included, the most severe cases imo would be more likely to cause lasting effects.
YA that would be interesting...except the CDA decided to not collect data from anyone who was vaccinated! You can't make this shit up...
Yeah, but the rates are incredibly different. Vaccinated individuals contract and spread alpha and delta at rates MASSIVELY lower than the unvaccinated, and STRONGLY lower even when it comes to omicron.
And rates matter.
@@AtomWeaver8 That’s false. Here in Denmark 90% of the country is vaccinated (all 3 shots), yet now we’re close to another lockdown. I don’t remember the exact number, but almost everyone that’s in the hospital now are vaccinated. How’s the logic here?
@@ricksterdrummer2170 So almost everyone is vaccinated, and almost everyone in the hospital is vaccinated? You do realize that makes perfect sense right? I'd wager the hospitalization rates are fairly low, and that 10% is over represented.
Now do one on on the Moderna vax and males under 40.
“We’re reading this thing but where is this even coming from?” compared to claims coming from Rogan’s feelings.
Yeah, because who funds studies is of no importance at all.
@@HondoTrailside strawmanning is another one of Joe’s favorites. I see you’re a fan
Yeah, what the hell is Joe questioning things!
This is actually misinformation on David’s part, you mentioned that the study has been peer reviewed. It has not, it’s still a pre-print.
Ohhh shiit
They love lying about that part
“That’s not what we’ve read before…” What he “read before” (and kept citing) was a NON PEER REVIEWED study. Not only can I not listen to him anymore because of his ignorance and blatant disregard for science and humanity, but he’s a first-class hypocrite for always espousing how important it is to take care of your body and physical health. EXCEPT for when it comes to a deadly virus that’s killed hundreds of thousands. I can’t even with him.
Joe was just looking for an excuse to try some horse meds
Study’s. Risks. Age group. Doesn’t matter. This isn’t about health. Wake up.
This is a perfect meme: Joe Rogan's dumb face and "THIS ISN'T WHAT I READ BEFORE THEREFORE I DON'T BELIEVE IT"
THE FIRST THING I READ IS ALWAYS CORRECT
Save your science. See you in ten years...
You fools believe whatever some idiots tell you but then act like you the genius when you follow people who keep changing their data their studies and more each year lol only the young children who barely been alive do not know how this bs works
@@dj007twk why are you comfortable using science elsewhere in life but not here?
@@kennythedevil1177 that's how good science works. As more data comes in you change your mind, if you don't then that's a problem!
Boy, this hasn’t aged well.
Alot hasn't aged well. Lol
It literally has. You just dont understand how to read papers.
and a year on even worse
At least one of those VAERS reports for side effects was mine, I claimed the vaccine turned me into the incredible hulk.
You won't like HULK when he get mad..... lol
I'm still waiting for my powers of magnetism. I am disappointed.
I'm waiting to get my third eye that they said I would get from the vaccine
My washing machine broke the day after my booster shot.
Wow! I heard about you on a recent podcast! Congratulations on getting published? Is it true?
You must have missed Rogan's interview with Dr. Peter McCullough. Not surprising because RUclips axed it too.
The mental gymnastics they have to do is hilarious.
And then@@drstone6798chimes in and proves your point.
Here’s another outrage that’s peer-reviewed, Rogan has never been even remotely funny and his contention that other comics would steal his material is the closest thing to comedy he’s ever said!
2016 Rogan would have said: “Oh, interesting, can you tell me more?”……
..I miss 2016 rogan
he got money now so his arrogance is way higher
@@Dr.EgonCholakian probably cause he kinda cured himself, what can you say
So having 2 jabs and a booster you have a risk of myocarditis, no jab no myocarditis why double your chance
Literally watching comments referencing other studies vanish before my eyes really convinces me of the legitimacy of this one....
I keep trying to post a recent study that contradicts this video and it keeps getting deleted....
Probably because it’s a bullshit non peer reviewed study from some random website you got from google or your Facebook comments. Or they don’t allow links in their comments. Either way no one here cares about the anti vax propaganda here. Take your pro covid comments elsewhere
@@mbgal7758 nature medicine is non-peer reviewed and bullshit? Interesting.
@@mbgal7758 who said anyone is anti vaccine? That was a stupid statement. We just like vaccines that work.
I tried to reply to you with a link to an amazon page for the purchase of an electric bass guitar and it disappeared. Care to tell who might be conspiring against bass guitars?
Moving goalposts and attacking the source at the same time. Classic moves when people are in the wrong and are trying to find the way out. Proof that Joe Rogan isn't some open minded guy and is out of touch.
True. He wants to be (or: to have already been) right, not find out what's actually correct.
Sure, now he's asking about sources but in the past he was happy with anecdotal evidence.
Can you tell us which peer reviewed studies have been done on myocarditis and the vaccine? Any?
Josh did a really good job. You could tell he was ready for battle without being overly confrontational. I suppose he watched the Gupta and Rhonda Patrick episodes where things didn't go very well to prep. Joe only has a few arguments he uses over and over.
Rhonda Patrick interview about COVID or the earlier ones about diet?
@@HallyVee The most recent one he did Rhonda on Covid about six months ago. He used to lap up everything she said so I don't think she was expecting so much pushback. It didn't seem like Gupta watched that episode, if he had I suspect he would have done. I think Zepps made an impact on Rogan but will it last longer than a thought in your average golden retriever's mind is the question.
Myrocarditis raised 10 fold since the last year , not from the start of the covid outbreak
It's getting more and more difficult to deny, ain't it?
Exactly. I'm not a doctor, but it looks like they're trying to retrofit the recent (last one year) spike in myocarditis incidence to the disease starting two year ago, though the myocarditis cases came to the forefront a year later (starting early-mid 2021) shortly after a certain something came onto the scene.
@@johnalexir7634 Oh my god, it must be the vaccine!!!!!! Are you being serious?
@@Milkmans_Son I am being serious that it well COULD be the vaccine, but that possibility is not generally explored in the MSM. It's so heavily avoided (or else ridiculed or quickly dismissed) that it's hard for me to not suspect that it's at least possible that something more is going on that they don't want us (the public) to know. Am I certain? No. Do I have serious doubts we're being dealt with honestly by govt and media? Yes.
@@johnalexir7634
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Joe then proceeded to eat a tube of ivermectin
and a colloidal silver smoothie!
Sure it wasn't Vagisil?
@@drstone6798 WTG...you finally learned how to spell "Athlete". You can learn.
David Pakman has never moved the goal posts and never has had his own biases.
Rogan found his level on Fear Factor. This is beyond him.
Eating bugs is more his thing
Literally came here to say just this. The guy who used to dare people to eat rancid animal genitalia is really the best option for people to help decide what to put in their bodies?
Are you going to make another video saying rogan was right now we have actual studies that show COVID doesn’t actually cause myocarditis ?
can you name some of the studies that say exactly so, since it would be weird because even normal common cold can cause myocarditis, and there are studies on that.
I wonder how it feels knowing that you willingly helped push people towards making a decision that has led to a massive increase in their chance of having an exponentially shittier life or dying
Are you gonna update with a follow up video titled "David Pakman learns he was wrong about Joe Rogan" ?? How far you've fallen David..
Anyone have a link to that study? Im wondering if the covid myocarditis statistics were taken from unvaccinated or breakthrough infections or both.
People with the booster shot are still getting covid so in that case are the risks additive?
There doesn't seem to be an appetite for this question
Joe sounds EXACTLY like Candace Owens did when he had a conversation about climate change with her
yep
Who the fook is David Pakman?
that is not a study. it is a "publish without edits or ethics article". just a page on the internet somewhere.