Since I really like the bike and it's performance, I tend to focus on the positiv things about it, but I guess I should also include the experiences with multiple workshop appointments and defective parts within the first year of ownership - because this actually became quite an extensive list for one year of ownership: - rear brake disc getting too loose => replacement - original battery did not make it through the first winter despite not being used for short distance trips, and having it re-conditioned completely myself trying to imiprove the performance. => replacement after some discussions with KTM - optional touring windshield broke. The slightly damaged windshield spoiler (from crashing off together with the broken part of the windschield) was not replaced. - unclear if the combination touring windshield with powerpart windshield spoiler could actually work at all (no statement from KTM in this regard) - 4 workshop appointments for the indicator/warning light issue - this was by far the most annoying and persistent problem so far. KTM basically dealt with this by replacing parts on good luck and have the customer test the result - due to some electronic problem at the dealership: replacement of 3x locks on the bike, 1x lock on top case, 2 side cases replaced completely - curise control malfunctioning due to a defective brake switch (sitting underneath the tank, ~1h repair) So even when this was covered within the warranty (with some discussion for break disc and battery), the multiple workshop appointments do cause quite a deal of spent time, expenses and lost time - where you can't plan to actually use your motorbike... Additional replies to further questions: - I did the official service intervalls with a KTM dealer. In 2 weeks it's going to be the 30.000km service. So oil change has been done at 1000 and 15.000km so far - Surprisingly I did not have to add any oil at all over the last 30.000 km other than I think 250ml at the very beginning within the first 1000km. - valve check will be done now at the 30k service according to service plan - no oil leackages whatsoever - I did check the chain/rear sprocket now after my last 7k trip and almost 30k in total. I think there is some wear noticeable, it couuld be changed, I couuld continue on it as well. I think I'll try to do another 15k on it I will however change the clutch plates. I had them checked on my KTM 890R at 30k - dealer said they look ok, but at the 45k service there had been damage to other parts of the clutch - so that last stint was too long. I won't take this chance witht eh SMT, especially since I do long tours on it and I don't want to risk having a clutch issue during those. - Yes, the LEDs are original KTM OEM ones (3rd party producer however). But those are not high beams, but fog lights only - so they give you extended side view, not better front and far ahead sight...
Thanks for this update. I bought one March 2024 and after 6500k I've had one problem- rev matching from 3rd to 2nd gear sometimes cuts the engine off. I've owned 4 ducati (panigale v4, hyper 950, desert sled, supersport) and two aprilia's rsv4 during the past 5 years and the 890 smt has been the best running bike of all.
Wow, that's quite a list of great bikes! Good to hear that you confirm my impression of the SMT to be a very good performing bike - as long as it works, that is.. Could they sort the issue out? What was it? Yesterday I had a ride from a small trail, over gravel road, very small mountain hairpins to very fast and wide country road corners - and within this range I really think there is not a better bike.. Those supersports is a different thing though - with those you need race track or really fast, good road with no speed limit.. :)
@@TANGORACING The more I ride the more i like too which for me is very good. I'm still a superbike person at heart but I needed a change. Fortunately I have good roads with a speed limit but few police haha. I haven't checked the issue out with dealer because I typically use the quickshifter and it only happens between those 2 gears during a manual rev match and only occasionally. It must be a fueling or air issue. What really surprised me about the smt is how good the J Juan front brake is. Actually better than some brembo set ups.
I have the same screen and have just noticed tiny cracks starting in the same place, after only 2,000kms of road riding! I was going to put the same extension on but I'm sure that will only speed up the cracking unfortunately. I will hit the dealer up about it at service next week.
Thank you for commenting! Very interessting! I thought it was due to the combination additional spoiler + off-road riding... Then this is a much bigger issue than I thought so far..
You might want to check out the right side switch as it seems to act like a relay instead of a real relay for the SMT. I had signal issues and after replacing that, it's all good for now. Fingers crossed.
It’s why I took the smallerscreen and installed the diffuser on it: it performs great and no cracks after 7kkm. Great review, can you tell something about servicing? How often you change oil? Did you observed any oil consumption ? Did service checked the valves clearance ? Any oil leackages ? What about the chain state after this mieleage ? On the cornering video I see you’ve addes extra LEDs, are they oem? Normal hi beam is to poor for me as I often finish my trips on 1-2am.. I will appreciate.
Great questions! It's crazy those videos are too long already and still there are plenty of topics missing... So: - I did the official service intervalls with a KTM dealer. In 2 weeks it's going to be the 30.000km service. So oil change has been done at 1000 and 15.000km so far - Surprisingly I did not have to add any oil at all over the last 30.000 km other than I think 250ml at the very beginning within the first 1000km. - valve check will be done now at the 30k service according to service plan - no oil leackages whatsoever - I did check the chain/rear sprocket now after my last 7k trip and almost 30k in total. I think there is some wear noticeable, it couuld be changed, I couuld continue on it as well. I think I'll try to do another 15k on it I will however change the clutch plates. I had them checked on my KTM 890R at 30k - dealer said they look ok, but at the 45k service there had been damage to other parts of the clutch - so that last stint was too long. I won't take this chance witht eh SMT, especially since I do long tours on it and I don't want to risk having a clutch issue during those. - Yes, the LEDs are original KTM OEM ones (3rd party producer however). But those are not high beams, but fog lights only - so they give you extended side view, not better front and far ahead sight... Thx for watching, you also might to lookk out for the the 30k update coming online soon, thx! : )
@@TANGORACING thanks a lot for a prompt reply! I’m little suprised for the 15km intervals for oil. I know it isn’t a mono cylinder that requires more frequent oil exchanges but now I’m confused as I was planning to change it before the 15kkm service. Looking your sporty riding style and everything is okay makes me have to think more. Second topic is the chain state: I’d never belive that the original can last above 20kkm and you use it even further is a big positive suprise. Also, thanks for your opinion about the fog lamps.
I have a honda a transalp. I'm obsessed with the SMT. So I made a video recently wondering if the 890ADV is a better road bike or the 890SMT is a better dirt road bike? I'm not yet sure how hard I really wanna push off road but coming from sport bikes and yamaha tracers, I'm very tempted to bespoke 19/17 rims or maybe 17/17 rims to my transalp Loving your videos
they are from Hepco&Becker, I will talk a bit about it in the 30k review.. I just have to re-record it, as the last video was no good due to bad wind noise... www.hepco-and-becker-luggage.co.uk/Engine-protection-bar-black-for-KTM-890-SMT-2023/5017655-00-01 available in black or orange..
Hi, nice video! It is really amazing bike. I crashed mine at aprox 50kph in corner on spilled oil and fueltank crash cover break in same way, but everything else is ok, so I believe, it is intended to break like that. Better to change that cover (it is suprising, how cheap it is from KTM), than change fuel pump and tank underneath. Maybe I missed that part, but how long did your original tyres lasted? I have 6k km on clock and rear tire is almost done.. Thank you 🙂
Thx, I agree, I guess it does protect for more serious damage and the replacement parts are less expensive than I expected. they are also very easy to be changed.. I still feel much better now with a decent protection bar installed around it.. I can't remember how long I went on the original tires, but for sure not 6k but quite some less.. I ride a bit to sporty to get decent milage out of the tires.. : )
Hallo , danke für das interessante Review. Von welchem Lieferanten ist der verlängerte Kupplungsarm? Wenn man länger fährt geht die Kupplungsbetätigung doch etwas auf den Unterarm.
Gerne, da findest Du viele Angebote.. Suche nach 1-finger Kupplung / Easy pull, / Kupplungsverlängerung... ZB. www.ebay.de/itm/313735405135?chn=ps&_ul=DE&var=612513604139&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=707-166974-037691-2&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=612513604139_313735405135&targetid=2276391439863&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=1000702&poi=&campaignid=21166009634&mkgroupid=157593803661&rlsatarget=pla-2276391439863&abcId=9402599&merchantid=494547484&geoid=1000702&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw4_K0BhBsEiwAfVVZ_7XVxQu2IDhye5E8jCs8PUvLdaFoy6DU1gRAI_zJFZryN2f5arP--BoCLNEQAvD_BwE
naja, ich finde den Orignalen leider 1. hässlich und 2. klanglich unerträglich (und leise - eingetragene 88db..) Der Remus klingt halt leider auch nicht so gut wie bei den ersten Reviews - da haben die vermutlich einen leeren Topf zur Verfügung gestellt.. : ), aber ich finde er sieht deutlich besser aus - vor allem wenn es in Richtung blacked out geht - und klingt auch "sonorer"..
As far as I know the valve play is checked at the 30k service. I have appointment for that in 2 weeks. (My 30k review update is coming up soon and includes some negative findings, but not regarding this..) I don't think they check the cam lobes during default service?! Since I am not a mechanic who can tear apart the engine, I won't be able to check that. I can ask about what the see/find, but my experience with KTM service is that they are not sharing about their work. What I can tell though is that I have done 55.000km on my Duke 890R. Different to the 890 SMT my Duke 890R does need some oil now and then. And I recently had another dyno run which was absolutely identical with one I did when I received it (checking power with full akra system and mapping).So that looks all good so far as far as engine goes.
Ja, es trübt die Freude, das finde ich auch. Aber wenn sie läuft gibt's für mich wieder keine Bessere.. Ob man sich die Probleme damit antun möchte ist aber natürlich ein mehr als berechtigter Punkt..
@@FcBarcaish Hast Du an den Händler zurück verkauft, oder privat? Weil immer wenn ich mal nach gebrauchten KTMs suche, bin ich überrascht wieviel die Leute verlangen.. Und kauf dann gleich neu..
Since I really like the bike and it's performance, I tend to focus on the positiv things about it, but I guess I should also include the experiences with multiple workshop appointments and defective parts within the first year of ownership - because this actually became quite an extensive list for one year of ownership:
- rear brake disc getting too loose => replacement
- original battery did not make it through the first winter despite not being used for short distance trips, and having it re-conditioned completely myself trying to imiprove the performance. => replacement after some discussions with KTM
- optional touring windshield broke. The slightly damaged windshield spoiler (from crashing off together with the broken part of the windschield) was not replaced.
- unclear if the combination touring windshield with powerpart windshield spoiler could actually work at all (no statement from KTM in this regard)
- 4 workshop appointments for the indicator/warning light issue - this was by far the most annoying and persistent problem so far. KTM basically dealt with this by replacing parts on good luck and have the customer test the result
- due to some electronic problem at the dealership: replacement of 3x locks on the bike, 1x lock on top case, 2 side cases replaced completely
- curise control malfunctioning due to a defective brake switch (sitting underneath the tank, ~1h repair)
So even when this was covered within the warranty (with some discussion for break disc and battery), the multiple workshop appointments do cause quite a deal of spent time, expenses and lost time - where you can't plan to actually use your motorbike...
Additional replies to further questions:
- I did the official service intervalls with a KTM dealer. In 2 weeks it's going to be the 30.000km service. So oil change has been done at 1000 and 15.000km so far
- Surprisingly I did not have to add any oil at all over the last 30.000 km other than I think 250ml at the very beginning within the first 1000km.
- valve check will be done now at the 30k service according to service plan
- no oil leackages whatsoever
- I did check the chain/rear sprocket now after my last 7k trip and almost 30k in total. I think there is some wear noticeable, it couuld be changed, I couuld continue on it as well. I think I'll try to do another 15k on it I will however change the clutch plates. I had them checked on my KTM 890R at 30k - dealer said they look ok, but at the 45k service there had been damage to other parts of the clutch - so that last stint was too long. I won't take this chance witht eh SMT, especially since I do long tours on it and I don't want to risk having a clutch issue during those.
- Yes, the LEDs are original KTM OEM ones (3rd party producer however). But those are not high beams, but fog lights only - so they give you extended side view, not better front and far ahead sight...
Thanks for this update. I bought one March 2024 and after 6500k I've had one problem- rev matching from 3rd to 2nd gear sometimes cuts the engine off. I've owned 4 ducati (panigale v4, hyper 950, desert sled, supersport) and two aprilia's rsv4 during the past 5 years and the 890 smt has been the best running bike of all.
Wow, that's quite a list of great bikes! Good to hear that you confirm my impression of the SMT to be a very good performing bike - as long as it works, that is.. Could they sort the issue out? What was it?
Yesterday I had a ride from a small trail, over gravel road, very small mountain hairpins to very fast and wide country road corners - and within this range I really think there is not a better bike.. Those supersports is a different thing though - with those you need race track or really fast, good road with no speed limit.. :)
@@TANGORACING The more I ride the more i like too which for me is very good. I'm still a superbike person at heart but I needed a change. Fortunately I have good roads with a speed limit but few police haha. I haven't checked the issue out with dealer because I typically use the quickshifter and it only happens between those 2 gears during a manual rev match and only occasionally. It must be a fueling or air issue. What really surprised me about the smt is how good the J Juan front brake is. Actually better than some brembo set ups.
I have the same screen and have just noticed tiny cracks starting in the same place, after only 2,000kms of road riding!
I was going to put the same extension on but I'm sure that will only speed up the cracking unfortunately.
I will hit the dealer up about it at service next week.
Thank you for commenting! Very interessting! I thought it was due to the combination additional spoiler + off-road riding... Then this is a much bigger issue than I thought so far..
You might want to check out the right side switch as it seems to act like a relay instead of a real relay for the SMT. I had signal issues and after replacing that, it's all good for now. Fingers crossed.
thx, in my case it was the right front indicator (which seemed to have a dead led)
It’s why I took the smallerscreen and installed the diffuser on it: it performs great and no cracks after 7kkm. Great review, can you tell something about servicing? How often you change oil? Did you observed any oil consumption ? Did service checked the valves clearance ? Any oil leackages ? What about the chain state after this mieleage ? On the cornering video I see you’ve addes extra LEDs, are they oem? Normal hi beam is to poor for me as I often finish my trips on 1-2am.. I will appreciate.
Great questions! It's crazy those videos are too long already and still there are plenty of topics missing... So:
- I did the official service intervalls with a KTM dealer. In 2 weeks it's going to be the 30.000km service. So oil change has been done at 1000 and 15.000km so far
- Surprisingly I did not have to add any oil at all over the last 30.000 km other than I think 250ml at the very beginning within the first 1000km.
- valve check will be done now at the 30k service according to service plan
- no oil leackages whatsoever
- I did check the chain/rear sprocket now after my last 7k trip and almost 30k in total. I think there is some wear noticeable, it couuld be changed, I couuld continue on it as well. I think I'll try to do another 15k on it I will however change the clutch plates. I had them checked on my KTM 890R at 30k - dealer said they look ok, but at the 45k service there had been damage to other parts of the clutch - so that last stint was too long. I won't take this chance witht eh SMT, especially since I do long tours on it and I don't want to risk having a clutch issue during those.
- Yes, the LEDs are original KTM OEM ones (3rd party producer however). But those are not high beams, but fog lights only - so they give you extended side view, not better front and far ahead sight...
Thx for watching, you also might to lookk out for the the 30k update coming online soon, thx! : )
@@TANGORACING thanks a lot for a prompt reply! I’m little suprised for the 15km intervals for oil. I know it isn’t a mono cylinder that requires more frequent oil exchanges but now I’m confused as I was planning to change it before the 15kkm service. Looking your sporty riding style and everything is okay makes me have to think more. Second topic is the chain state: I’d never belive that the original can last above 20kkm and you use it even further is a big positive suprise. Also, thanks for your opinion about the fog lamps.
I have a honda a transalp. I'm obsessed with the SMT. So I made a video recently wondering if the 890ADV is a better road bike or the 890SMT is a better dirt road bike?
I'm not yet sure how hard I really wanna push off road but coming from sport bikes and yamaha tracers, I'm very tempted to bespoke 19/17 rims or maybe 17/17 rims to my transalp
Loving your videos
Hi, thanks for the video. What make of crash bars did you get? And a photo please 👍
they are from Hepco&Becker, I will talk a bit about it in the 30k review.. I just have to re-record it, as the last video was no good due to bad wind noise...
www.hepco-and-becker-luggage.co.uk/Engine-protection-bar-black-for-KTM-890-SMT-2023/5017655-00-01
available in black or orange..
Cheers thanks for that 👍
Hi, nice video! It is really amazing bike. I crashed mine at aprox 50kph in corner on spilled oil and fueltank crash cover break in same way, but everything else is ok, so I believe, it is intended to break like that. Better to change that cover (it is suprising, how cheap it is from KTM), than change fuel pump and tank underneath.
Maybe I missed that part, but how long did your original tyres lasted? I have 6k km on clock and rear tire is almost done.. Thank you 🙂
Thx, I agree, I guess it does protect for more serious damage and the replacement parts are less expensive than I expected. they are also very easy to be changed.. I still feel much better now with a decent protection bar installed around it.. I can't remember how long I went on the original tires, but for sure not 6k but quite some less.. I ride a bit to sporty to get decent milage out of the tires.. : )
Hallo , danke für das interessante Review. Von welchem Lieferanten ist der verlängerte Kupplungsarm? Wenn man länger fährt geht die Kupplungsbetätigung doch etwas auf den Unterarm.
Gerne, da findest Du viele Angebote.. Suche nach 1-finger Kupplung / Easy pull, / Kupplungsverlängerung...
ZB. www.ebay.de/itm/313735405135?chn=ps&_ul=DE&var=612513604139&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=707-166974-037691-2&mkcid=2&mkscid=101&itemid=612513604139_313735405135&targetid=2276391439863&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=1000702&poi=&campaignid=21166009634&mkgroupid=157593803661&rlsatarget=pla-2276391439863&abcId=9402599&merchantid=494547484&geoid=1000702&gad_source=1&gclid=CjwKCAjw4_K0BhBsEiwAfVVZ_7XVxQu2IDhye5E8jCs8PUvLdaFoy6DU1gRAI_zJFZryN2f5arP--BoCLNEQAvD_BwE
danke für das Review! würdest du sagen der Remus Auspuff lohnt sich? kostet ja nicht wenig der Spaß 🥲
naja, ich finde den Orignalen leider 1. hässlich und 2. klanglich unerträglich (und leise - eingetragene 88db..) Der Remus klingt halt leider auch nicht so gut wie bei den ersten Reviews - da haben die vermutlich einen leeren Topf zur Verfügung gestellt.. : ), aber ich finde er sieht deutlich besser aus - vor allem wenn es in Richtung blacked out geht - und klingt auch "sonorer"..
How was the valve lash? In spec? And how were your cam lobes doing since they seem to be an issue in the LC8c-engine
As far as I know the valve play is checked at the 30k service. I have appointment for that in 2 weeks. (My 30k review update is coming up soon and includes some negative findings, but not regarding this..) I don't think they check the cam lobes during default service?! Since I am not a mechanic who can tear apart the engine, I won't be able to check that. I can ask about what the see/find, but my experience with KTM service is that they are not sharing about their work.
What I can tell though is that I have done 55.000km on my Duke 890R. Different to the 890 SMT my Duke 890R does need some oil now and then. And I recently had another dyno run which was absolutely identical with one I did when I received it (checking power with full akra system and mapping).So that looks all good so far as far as engine goes.
wenn man bedenkt was der scherbn kostet und was du alles erneuert oder getauscht hast... danke für das review. nie wieder ktm !
Ja, es trübt die Freude, das finde ich auch. Aber wenn sie läuft gibt's für mich wieder keine Bessere.. Ob man sich die Probleme damit antun möchte ist aber natürlich ein mehr als berechtigter Punkt..
@@TANGORACINGleider muss man auch sagen das der wiederverkaufswert bei ktm sehr sehr schelcht ist, leider. ( hatte 4 ktm´s, 2 davon neu)
@@FcBarcaish Hast Du an den Händler zurück verkauft, oder privat? Weil immer wenn ich mal nach gebrauchten KTMs suche, bin ich überrascht wieviel die Leute verlangen.. Und kauf dann gleich neu..