Macross was my first taste of hard sci fi as a child. I still fondly remember how the human's experimental anti grav lift drives tore through the deck of the SDF1 and flew away by themselves. Then the experimental space fold drive malfunctioned, taking them to Pluto instead of earth orbit and THEN the drive... kept jumping. Without the ship. Just a literal empty place where their FTL system was supposed to be. As Captain Gloval put it, "It's going to be a long trip back home." The idea of catastrophic hardware failure as a matter of poor engineering rather than damage was unheard of in anything I'd ever seen on TV.
I agree this series was really my first introduction to Sci Fi and I used to rush home from school to watch it. It was probably my first introduction to Japanese anime as well.
I was an oddly picky kid when it came to cartoons. I liked Transformers because giant robots are just awesome, even if the series itself was pretty hit or miss. I didn't care for G.I. Joe, Thundercats, or He-Man. I mean, I'd watch whatever was on TV because that's what kids in the 80's did, but the only show that went out of my way to watch was Robotech. And it's the only show I continued to love even as I grew out of everything else. And then I discovered the original Macross in the 90's and fell in love with it all over again. Man, I tell you, all those stories of kids sobbing when Optimus Prime died in the Transformers movie, and before that here I was watching the episode "Pineapple Salad". That was heavy stuff for a 7 year old.
Yeah, and as a side effect of all that clusterfuck main character is forced to take a trip through vacuum using impovised gear. Me being a kid back then - mind blown, before Macross i haven't even considered that something like this can be even remotely possible.
The effects of Pop Music on the Zentradi was epic and Robotechs full militarization of it was even better. Giants attack the Sol System, deploy The Spice Girls and Manned Transformers then sit back.
The precariousness of the Zentradi way of life when confronted by protoculture reminds me a lot of something John Langhorne wrote about the ancient Spartans. The basic gist was that the harsh laws set down by Lycurgus made the Spartans too rigid in their martial discipline. They could fight, sure, but the abstemiousness of their culture did not protect them from exposure to luxury from other nations... He contrasts this with the Athenians under Solon, who were portrayed as a more well-rounded culture.
It's funny you mentioned Welsh , because the Regult Mk 2 pods were later manufactured there ! I love thier ship names : Quiltra Queleal and Queedol Magdomilla 👽💚
I think you are the first RUclipsr to submit to his request. Now you will have to do the Protoculture, Protodeviln, Zolan, Vajra, Windermerean, Ragnan, and Voldorian. Better start watching.😁
the only real diffrence is word play really. in robotech they were still a clone army but were originally made as miners for the robotech masters then converted to war other then that its mostly the same.
Also...aside from just execution, before their war with humanity, they mostly just jumped their fleet from planet to planet and then just leaving shattered areas of space in their wake. Effective total isolation from everyone they annihilate limits the chances of cultural contamination i'd say.
Thanks for finally doing this one. A lot of the scifi channels seem to be discriminatory towards anime though there is so much amazing content that fits.
I grew up with Robotech and never even heard of Macross until several years later. I got a vhs copy of the moive version so it was a condensed version that was very different from Robotech. Always liked the way it merged the three series together, hope you can dwell more into Robotech as well.
Aside from a few names, and dates, the Zentradi of SDF Macross and Robotech are pretty much the same. It is in the later 2 installments of Robotech (adapted from Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross, and Genesis Climber MOSPEADA) where the stories diverge.
@@bumbayker I know. I was making a case out of why Robotech shouldn't be dismissed. Consider its own lore has evolved separately from Mascross. The only real difference I can see is that the humans and the Robotech Masters' common ancestry is never answered, only hinted at repeatedly (Rick Hunter saying their genetic similarities being just chance as a mathematical absurdity), and that the Zentradi's masters are still around.
Sorry but I don't share your sentiment. Robotech has many plot holes and inconsistencies especially with the show since its an amalgam of 3 unrelated mecha anime series. It just uses Macross as its launching point but it falls apart after that. They couldn't explain the common ancestry because Carl Macek decided to throw the whole Protoculture concept of Macross as a lost ancient precursor civilization out the window and turned it into a "magical" fuel source instead. The Robotech "lore" has remained stagnant for many years and even Harmony Gold has retconned it a number of times.
Those "people" you speak of have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Southern Cross's story was extremely boring and contrived which only worsened by Harmony Gold's heavy editing and insertion to the Robotech plot. The original show was so bad as it was forced to be cut short. SC was like the ugly bastard stepchild that utterly failed to be relevant by posing to be the central lore of the entire series. No amount of story and visual editing is going to change a piece of turd.
awesome any chance on doing Robotech side of the Zentradi? Robotech Masters?, and Invid? I knew of Robotech first enjoying the whole series. I haven't heard of Macross until years later. Got the first Macross movie on VHS and eventually Macross +.
Hey do you think you could do a culture from the warhammer 40k universe please. There are some really fascinating topics that I would love to hear your opinion about.
Hate to be that guy but the Fleet under Bodol Zer is called the the 118th Main Fleet. There are an estimated to be ranging from 2000 to 3000 active Main Fleet's consisting of hundreds of thousands of vessels to millions of vessels each. The 118th Main Fleet had almost 8 million vessels under it with 7 billion troops. Originally the Zentradi was used for proxy warfare between the Protocol tire. Hence the origin of do not interfere with the Miclones meaning the Proticulture. Then the Proticulture United under the Stellar Republic otherwise known as the Galactic Empire. As the Stellar Republic expanded centralized control became tenuous. Some 70 years after the unification of the Stellar Republic it devolved into civil war between the Stellar Republic and Anti-Stellar Republic Forces. Each using the Zentradi as Cannon fodder. During this conflict Earth was seeded by a Survey Vessel which was destroyed. The local primates were mutated by a virus leaving also behind doomsday observation unit called by the Unification War factions of Earth as the Bird Human. It went pear shaped for the Proticulture when one faction tapped to another dimension as a power source for the Evil Series Zentradi, planet killing biological weapons, which was possessed by Extra-dimensional beings called Protodevlin, as they were like devils. The Protodevlin brainwashed both Zentradi and Protoculture becoming what is known later as the Supervision Army. This prevented Zentradi from resisting effectively as their standing orders were do not harm the Protoculture. The Protoculture rescinded those orders. The Protodevlin fed on life force of living beings leading to 85% casualty of the Protoculture. A group of them called the Anima Spiritual sealed the Protodevlin on the facility they were developed. However it was too late for the Proticulture as only a few of Zentradi fleet's received the order not harm Protoculture due to the breakdown of communication networks. A Protoculture remnant survived at the fringes of the galaxy seeding worlds to evolve like the Protoculture. Zolans, Ragnans, Voldorians and Windermere and who later joins the New UN Government. Terrans having an initial technological start as Zolans had early 20th century tech base upon contact and Windermereans has Medieval level. Terrans evolved from Primates while Zolans evolved from Marsupials. Voldorians are Cat-like and the Ragnans are Merfolk. Windermereans look Terran except for tentacle like organs attach on their hair.
And to add the Protoculture seed is the ability to access their tech via song. In essence they gave all the races( including the Zentradi) the ability to instinctually understand the Protoculture language.
Not exactly. Only those with Fold Receptor Factor. On Terrans certain bloodlines have like the Nomes. But as noted in Macross Delta those with Fold Receptor Factor are growing since the Vajra left. In fact Terrans Space Time Resonance ability was needed by the Protoculture. As Fold Receptors among Terrans can usually only transmit Fold Waves not receive them like Windermereans does.
@@reddyredwolf3931 well I meant the fact that they gave the races the ability to write and understand music. Hence why it was so effective a weapon against the Zentradi who instinctually know it but due to mental programming get a lot of mixed commands. Hence we know the Protoculture language.
Awesome! There needs to be more anime based Cultural Index. On a half related noer, I would love to see a Cultural Index on the Kilrathi of Wing Commander.
It is worth adding that the Fleet that Earth Encountered in 2009 was merely one of a great many fleets wandering the galaxy. each with their own supreme commander and command structure. these fleets would fight each other when they met.possibly because the supervision army they'd been tasked by the protoculture to fight also used fleets of zentraedi (leading to mis-identifications and blue on blue incidents once the Protoculture Republic fell) but also likely because they just loved a good war. many of these fleets were wholly segregated, with no male or female members respectively. the Bodolzaa fleet seems to have be fairly unique in having units of both genders within it. perhaps a sign that despite their best efforts at eliminating 'contamination', their war-culture had been altered in the past. humanity would use culture warfare to defeat most of the fleets they ran across, originally replicating the formula that worked at Earth, and then enhancing it with understanding of the Protoculture's unique fold physics based biological science (as seen in Macross 7, Frontier, and Delta)
That was pretty good. I have only seen some parts of Macross, but grew up with Robotech. There was not that much difference between the two from what you discussed.
@@umage1 minor differences as in 1 the protoculture are gone the way of the Ancients from Stargate, 2 they have no homeworld, 3 they're fleets are splintered and lost and Finally most Zentradi don't even have last names.
You're forgetting the biggest and most important difference. Protoculture in Macross is an actual culture or civilization as opposed to Robotech which is a fuel source. Also the SDF Macross was not destroyed and its crew survived unlike in Robotech.
LOL, only just watched the full series in the past 6 months myself though I it was the first anime I ever saw any episodes of as a kid. (Thank you early SciFi Channel, you are missed.)
oh yeah, minor error with lore the Bodol Grand fleet was one of over 2000 such fleets/armadas because of the comfirmation that the fortress ship we see at the end of SDF Macross is not a one of a kind warship but rather one of many, one even appears in Macross Frontier which further reinforces this
Yeah. Macross is one of the few Sci-Fi properties that really hints at the vast scale of a Galaxy-spanning conflict. Fleets of a thousand or more ships are considered "scouting" forces. Good times.
Lol "So... our enemy is naturally several stories tall?" ... "I got it! We make planes that can transform into people to fight the enemy hand to hand!" A good idea but it still seemed odd to me way back when...
@@brianpembrook9164 I appreciate that they had a reason of any kind at all for “why not tanks and planes” bipedal combat robots is just so inefficient in any other way. “We need to reach the buttons and fly the enemy ship” is an effort to close that gap that I love.
Robotech canon and Macross canon diverge wildly after the war, including the background of the races. This is the Macross version, which just has the Protoculture (well, then there are the Protodevlin, but that's a whole can of worms to open) as the "creators". Invid and Robotech Masters are only in the Robotech canon. Well, the Invid technically do exist, but not in Macross. They're from Genesis Climber Mospeada, which became the third part of Robotech.
This is a very good primer on the Zentradi (Zentron) from Super Dimension Fortress Macross! Though I prefer the explanation given for the Zentraedi in Robotech - they were originally the "underlings" and miners that helped build the Robotech Masters "Empire" and the first fleet(s) of battleship in their home system. When the Master Zor "discovered" (stole it from the Invid) the energy of the "Protoculure" the other Masters subvetered this discovery to extend and enhance their own lives and start building towards an "Empire". After extracting the needed materials from the moon of Fantoma, the Zentraedi were "cloned", had their memories of having a nascent "culture" wiped, to form the (gender segregated) fighting "legions" in service to the Masters quest for control of the local systems. Zor and a few of his Zentraedi soldiers rebeled, sending his own "special" ship (the humans will call it the SDF-1) to a distant planet that he had come to believe held similar life to his own. The Zentraedi themselves only knew their Masters wanted Zor's ship recaptured, not that it was a "Protoculure" manufacturing facility. This is what gave Earth's "UN Spacey" the ability to build their transformering mecha - the power units were all created according to the same "Protoculure" energy sources found on the SDF-1. Which also partly shows why the Zentraedi were always kept focused on war fighting for the Masters - if they could maintain or build their own equipment, the Masters might loose control over their Zentraedi army. Then the Zentraedi could not only go their own way, but also one day gain the power to oppose their far fewer Masters and their "Bioroid" enforcers / fighters. The differences between how "Culture" and "Protoculure" are defined by Macross and Robotech are quite markedly different in many instances - and so are the effects on the Zentraedi.
this show is like japanese poeple into Ancient Aliens, Chariots of the Gods, Nephilim Stories of giants and keylontic science project camelot ashayana deane in the 80s liek japanese peopel read UFO lkore books made an anime. So grateful to the Japanese for allowing us to learn this at an early age in the 90s on TV!
Hmmm they have a different back story in the movie version right? Because there they had culture but they forgot about it? And humans were technically part zentradi where both men and women produced unlike the original series where they were segregated from each other.
In a separate Macross series, there was a race of Zentradi who used singing as a call to battle. Female singers used their talents to lead the Zentradi forces into battle. The female singers continue to sing until the battle is over. This separate Macross series had two races of Zentradi. One of the two races was the first ones who have come into contact with Earth. Like the Zentradi of the first Macross series, their culture had totally focus on war. Oddly, the second race of Zentradi were defeated by the use of female singers. as well as the fighting abilities of the humans and their Zentradi allies, and the human-Zentaradi hybrids. From this video, the series Robotech can be now seen as one of the Macross meta-franchise series.
You're thinking of the Marduk from Macross II. That's an odd one because it's the only Macross production that didn't involve the original creators (except the character designer) and is considered non-canon. It really confused me as a teenager first getting into anime as anime, rather than the Americanized shows on tv, because it's a sequel to the movie rather than the TV series, and at that time I didn't even know there was a movie.
All information I saw came from Robotech (the macross saga) there is also the Robotech RPG (paper and dice) game by Palladium Books. all the way up to the Shadow Chronicles.
I JUST REALIZED this was the STAR TREk channel i know and love halfway thgru the video hjahaha dude, this channel should do ZOOLOGICAL stuff and POLITCIAL REAL LIFE stuff man hahaha u proved yorusefl a neutral diplomat haha
in both versions Automated Factories were supplied for repair and manufacturing but in both versions one episode does point out those factories are starting to break down as well.
ZENTRAEDI are males. MELTRANDI are females. Also known as ZENTRAN and MELTRAN collectively, their speech centered around sex equates to humans referring to ethnicity.
@@seanmcgrath3826 i'm still on the fence about it. the production, crew and characters are decent enough, but the focus is all wrong. i'm just glad star trek is back on telly, but i'm starting to accept the fact that utopian sci-fi won't be coming back anytime soon.
to be fair to get the full scope on them you would need to read ALOT of secondary canon the new main canon basicly nutered most of the original lore kinda like how disney killed the EU
Macross was my first taste of hard sci fi as a child. I still fondly remember how the human's experimental anti grav lift drives tore through the deck of the SDF1 and flew away by themselves. Then the experimental space fold drive malfunctioned, taking them to Pluto instead of earth orbit and THEN the drive... kept jumping. Without the ship. Just a literal empty place where their FTL system was supposed to be. As Captain Gloval put it, "It's going to be a long trip back home." The idea of catastrophic hardware failure as a matter of poor engineering rather than damage was unheard of in anything I'd ever seen on TV.
I agree this series was really my first introduction to Sci Fi and I used to rush home from school to watch it. It was probably my first introduction to Japanese anime as well.
I was an oddly picky kid when it came to cartoons. I liked Transformers because giant robots are just awesome, even if the series itself was pretty hit or miss. I didn't care for G.I. Joe, Thundercats, or He-Man. I mean, I'd watch whatever was on TV because that's what kids in the 80's did, but the only show that went out of my way to watch was Robotech. And it's the only show I continued to love even as I grew out of everything else. And then I discovered the original Macross in the 90's and fell in love with it all over again. Man, I tell you, all those stories of kids sobbing when Optimus Prime died in the Transformers movie, and before that here I was watching the episode "Pineapple Salad". That was heavy stuff for a 7 year old.
@@RaddSpencer Pineapple Salad will got you killed. But Pineapple Cake will give you a GAR moment.
Yeah, and as a side effect of all that clusterfuck main character is forced to take a trip through vacuum using impovised gear. Me being a kid back then - mind blown, before Macross i haven't even considered that something like this can be even remotely possible.
Coulda been worse- coulda been Pineapple Pizza.
The effects of Pop Music on the Zentradi was epic and Robotechs full militarization of it was even better. Giants attack the Sol System, deploy The Spice Girls and Manned Transformers then sit back.
The precariousness of the Zentradi way of life when confronted by protoculture reminds me a lot of something John Langhorne wrote about the ancient Spartans. The basic gist was that the harsh laws set down by Lycurgus made the Spartans too rigid in their martial discipline. They could fight, sure, but the abstemiousness of their culture did not protect them from exposure to luxury from other nations... He contrasts this with the Athenians under Solon, who were portrayed as a more well-rounded culture.
Yay finally. Also there's more fleets than the ones that attacked earth in SDF Macross. But you have to be Welsh in order to say they're names.
You finally got what you wanted! I'm glad to see it too, as I mainly know them from Robotech
It's funny you mentioned Welsh , because the Regult Mk 2 pods were later manufactured there !
I love thier ship names : Quiltra Queleal and Queedol Magdomilla
👽💚
@@stardude2006 try reading the Glog's factory name.
Glad to see you finally get your request. I was starting to wander if you were a spam bot for awhile man maybe you can see the other fleets one day.
@@kdb1981 well he forgot to mention the pointed ears from those similar to vulcans to long elf like ears.
I think you are the first RUclipsr to submit to his request.
Now you will have to do the Protoculture, Protodeviln, Zolan, Vajra, Windermerean, Ragnan, and Voldorian. Better start watching.😁
Let him explore by himself.
Let us not talk about the Robotech here as Macross is so so much better
also EFF, Zeon, Crossbone Vanguard.
And don't forget the Invid, Masters, Haydenites, Tirolians, Kubaran, Garudans, Praxians etc
The 'Do You Remember Love?' version are even more interesting. My favorite aliens ever!
I remember watching this ages ago. Good sci-fi.
This was a rather good overview.
Well done!
This was one of my favorite anime growing up. Kinda still is. I find episodes here and there like on Netflix and I watch it.
I remember when Macross crashed on Earth in 1999. I've just finished high school at that time.
I was in university, but yes, I do as well 🤣
@@CanuckGod At least we survived the Zentraedi's Rain of Death in 2010.
I was 10yo
YAY! a Zentradi episode.
I wana say thanks to the person/viewer who requested it.
It was "the man, the myth, the legend" BarryBend
I watched Macross back in the day years ago 1985 to be exact your video has brought it into perspective thank you.
You need to do one where you show the difference between Macross and Robotech Zentradi.
the only real diffrence is word play really. in robotech they were still a clone army but were originally made as miners for the robotech masters then converted to war other then that its mostly the same.
They sound like the jem'hadar.
Kinda, except the Jem'hadar don't care for softer emotions and have a sense of camaraderie.
@@CertifiablyIngame true the jem'hadar dont eat or sleep or have any female members of there race.
Now I wonder what a fight between Jem'Hadar and Yuuzhan Vong would look like and who would win
You can't defeat Jem'hadar by blasting J-pop at them
@King Peppy Very true; Breetai is made of sterner stuff than anyone
You should consider now doing a Cultural Index of the Tirolians from Robotech.
In macross, the Robotech Zent fleet of millions of ships was just ONE grand fleet...amongst 1000-2000 such fleets spread out across the galaxy.
Also...aside from just execution, before their war with humanity, they mostly just jumped their fleet from planet to planet and then just leaving shattered areas of space in their wake. Effective total isolation from everyone they annihilate limits the chances of cultural contamination i'd say.
Since no one has said it yet
'Yack deculture'
Nyan-Nyan
Thanks for finally doing this one. A lot of the scifi channels seem to be discriminatory towards anime though there is so much amazing content that fits.
I grew up with Robotech and never even heard of Macross until several years later. I got a vhs copy of the moive version so it was a condensed version that was very different from Robotech. Always liked the way it merged the three series together, hope you can dwell more into Robotech as well.
Aside from a few names, and dates, the Zentradi of SDF Macross and Robotech are pretty much the same.
It is in the later 2 installments of Robotech (adapted from Super Dimension Cavalry Southern Cross, and Genesis Climber MOSPEADA) where the stories diverge.
It's quite different; Miliya Parina is not Zenteradi and there is an entire subplot about the all-female Melterandi.
This was far more interesting than I anticipated.
I'll always love Robotech and the dynamic between the Invid, Zentradi, and 'Robotech Masters.'
This video isn't about Robotech. It's Macross and there's a big difference.
@@bumbayker I know. I was making a case out of why Robotech shouldn't be dismissed. Consider its own lore has evolved separately from Mascross. The only real difference I can see is that the humans and the Robotech Masters' common ancestry is never answered, only hinted at repeatedly (Rick Hunter saying their genetic similarities being just chance as a mathematical absurdity), and that the Zentradi's masters are still around.
Sorry but I don't share your sentiment. Robotech has many plot holes and inconsistencies especially with the show since its an amalgam of 3 unrelated mecha anime series. It just uses Macross as its launching point but it falls apart after that. They couldn't explain the common ancestry because Carl Macek decided to throw the whole Protoculture concept of Macross as a lost ancient precursor civilization out the window and turned it into a "magical" fuel source instead. The Robotech "lore" has remained stagnant for many years and even Harmony Gold has retconned it a number of times.
@@bumbayker Ironic, since people say that it actually made Southern Cross watchable!
Those "people" you speak of have absolutely no idea what they're talking about. Southern Cross's story was extremely boring and contrived which only worsened by Harmony Gold's heavy editing and insertion to the Robotech plot. The original show was so bad as it was forced to be cut short. SC was like the ugly bastard stepchild that utterly failed to be relevant by posing to be the central lore of the entire series. No amount of story and visual editing is going to change a piece of turd.
awesome any chance on doing Robotech side of the Zentradi? Robotech Masters?, and Invid? I knew of Robotech first enjoying the whole series. I haven't heard of Macross until years later. Got the first Macross movie on VHS and eventually Macross +.
What a pleasant surprise to find a video in this list about a beloved anime! And an excellent one that is.
Hey do you think you could do a culture from the warhammer 40k universe please. There are some really fascinating topics that I would love to hear your opinion about.
Hate to be that guy but the Fleet under Bodol Zer is called the the 118th Main Fleet. There are an estimated to be ranging from 2000 to 3000 active Main Fleet's consisting of hundreds of thousands of vessels to millions of vessels each. The 118th Main Fleet had almost 8 million vessels under it with 7 billion troops.
Originally the Zentradi was used for proxy warfare between the Protocol tire. Hence the origin of do not interfere with the Miclones meaning the Proticulture. Then the Proticulture United under the Stellar Republic otherwise known as the Galactic Empire. As the Stellar Republic expanded centralized control became tenuous. Some 70 years after the unification of the Stellar Republic it devolved into civil war between the Stellar Republic and Anti-Stellar Republic Forces. Each using the Zentradi as Cannon fodder. During this conflict Earth was seeded by a Survey Vessel which was destroyed. The local primates were mutated by a virus leaving also behind doomsday observation unit called by the Unification War factions of Earth as the Bird Human. It went pear shaped for the Proticulture when one faction tapped to another dimension as a power source for the Evil Series Zentradi, planet killing biological weapons, which was possessed by Extra-dimensional beings called Protodevlin, as they were like devils. The Protodevlin brainwashed both Zentradi and Protoculture becoming what is known later as the Supervision Army. This prevented Zentradi from resisting effectively as their standing orders were do not harm the Protoculture. The Protoculture rescinded those orders. The Protodevlin fed on life force of living beings leading to 85% casualty of the Protoculture. A group of them called the Anima Spiritual sealed the Protodevlin on the facility they were developed. However it was too late for the Proticulture as only a few of Zentradi fleet's received the order not harm Protoculture due to the breakdown of communication networks. A Protoculture remnant survived at the fringes of the galaxy seeding worlds to evolve like the Protoculture. Zolans, Ragnans, Voldorians and Windermere and who later joins the New UN Government. Terrans having an initial technological start as Zolans had early 20th century tech base upon contact and Windermereans has Medieval level. Terrans evolved from Primates while Zolans evolved from Marsupials. Voldorians are Cat-like and the Ragnans are Merfolk. Windermereans look Terran except for tentacle like organs attach on their hair.
And to add the Protoculture seed is the ability to access their tech via song. In essence they gave all the races( including the Zentradi) the ability to instinctually understand the Protoculture language.
Not exactly. Only those with Fold Receptor Factor. On Terrans certain bloodlines have like the Nomes. But as noted in Macross Delta those with Fold Receptor Factor are growing since the Vajra left.
In fact Terrans Space Time Resonance ability was needed by the Protoculture. As Fold Receptors among Terrans can usually only transmit Fold Waves not receive them like Windermereans does.
@@reddyredwolf3931 well I meant the fact that they gave the races the ability to write and understand music. Hence why it was so effective a weapon against the Zentradi who instinctually know it but due to mental programming get a lot of mixed commands. Hence we know the Protoculture language.
tl dr
Woooow, way to post a massive block of spoilers.
Thxx for this. I grew up on this.
You should do a Cultural Index on The Culture.
Awesome! There needs to be more anime based Cultural Index.
On a half related noer, I would love to see a Cultural Index on the Kilrathi of Wing Commander.
THANK YOU SOOOOO MUCH FOR DOING THIS, I ABSOLUTELY LOVE THIS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
As a kid, I was more facinated by the Zentraedi and liked Khyron. As a 10 year old it blew my mind. Was such a great show.
It is worth adding that the Fleet that Earth Encountered in 2009 was merely one of a great many fleets wandering the galaxy. each with their own supreme commander and command structure. these fleets would fight each other when they met.possibly because the supervision army they'd been tasked by the protoculture to fight also used fleets of zentraedi (leading to mis-identifications and blue on blue incidents once the Protoculture Republic fell) but also likely because they just loved a good war. many of these fleets were wholly segregated, with no male or female members respectively. the Bodolzaa fleet seems to have be fairly unique in having units of both genders within it. perhaps a sign that despite their best efforts at eliminating 'contamination', their war-culture had been altered in the past.
humanity would use culture warfare to defeat most of the fleets they ran across, originally replicating the formula that worked at Earth, and then enhancing it with understanding of the Protoculture's unique fold physics based biological science (as seen in Macross 7, Frontier, and Delta)
Will you do any more videos on robotech or Macross?
I think it would be interesting if you Break down the Factions of the Macross Series, like the UN SPACY, or its predecessor the NUNs (New UN Spacy)
NUNs is the succesor to UN Spacy
simply excellent !!!! greetings from Córdoba Argentina.
Perfect enemies for Gundam pilots. Zentradi in exo-armour roughly sized a gundam mobile suit.
That was pretty good. I have only seen some parts of Macross, but grew up with Robotech. There was not that much difference between the two from what you discussed.
There's a lot of minor differences.
@@barrybend7189 Minor differences, yes.
@@umage1 minor differences as in 1 the protoculture are gone the way of the Ancients from Stargate, 2 they have no homeworld, 3 they're fleets are splintered and lost and Finally most Zentradi don't even have last names.
You're forgetting the biggest and most important difference. Protoculture in Macross is an actual culture or civilization as opposed to Robotech which is a fuel source. Also the SDF Macross was not destroyed and its crew survived unlike in Robotech.
@@bumbayker except Global may he rest in peace.
LOL, only just watched the full series in the past 6 months myself though I it was the first anime I ever saw any episodes of as a kid. (Thank you early SciFi Channel, you are missed.)
oh yeah, minor error with lore the Bodol Grand fleet was one of over 2000 such fleets/armadas because of the comfirmation that the fortress ship we see at the end of SDF Macross is not a one of a kind warship but rather one of many, one even appears in Macross Frontier which further reinforces this
Yeah. Macross is one of the few Sci-Fi properties that really hints at the vast scale of a Galaxy-spanning conflict. Fleets of a thousand or more ships are considered "scouting" forces. Good times.
Well, you could say at the time it was a one of a kind ship.
@@t.k7five084 the 2000 fleet mention was in the movie itself after the one in the film is destroyed
What's next? That was great!
Yea! some macross!
It’s really the only case in which I’m behind the reason for why humans bother with giant robots as war machines.
Lol
"So... our enemy is naturally several stories tall?"
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"I got it! We make planes that can transform into people to fight the enemy hand to hand!"
A good idea but it still seemed odd to me way back when...
@@brianpembrook9164 I appreciate that they had a reason of any kind at all for “why not tanks and planes” bipedal combat robots is just so inefficient in any other way. “We need to reach the buttons and fly the enemy ship” is an effort to close that gap that I love.
Once my upcoming Star Trek fan fiction comic series comes about I'd love to see you cover on my characters culture starship classes and universe lore.
So they are like Jem'Hadar only as big as a house.
Kinda sorta,cept zents don't need ketracel white!
@@mikegallant811 Which is why their makers lost control of them and they ran off to randomly fulfill their programming. =p
@@Lukos0036 actually their masters died before the cease order was given.
@@barrybend7189 Then they were poor soldiers who failed to protect their makers.
@@Lukos0036 well no its sort of the mix of the Asguard self sacrifice meets war too big to win without pyhric levels of catastrophe later.
What about the Invid, the creators of the Zentradi? It'd be dope to see a full robotech series. It runs deep and wide ;)
This was the Super Dimensional Fortress Macross version not the Robotech version.
Robotech canon and Macross canon diverge wildly after the war, including the background of the races. This is the Macross version, which just has the Protoculture (well, then there are the Protodevlin, but that's a whole can of worms to open) as the "creators". Invid and Robotech Masters are only in the Robotech canon. Well, the Invid technically do exist, but not in Macross. They're from Genesis Climber Mospeada, which became the third part of Robotech.
You speak of Robotech. This is Macross.
Thank you for the video. Really liked it!
This is a very good primer on the Zentradi (Zentron) from Super Dimension Fortress Macross!
Though I prefer the explanation given for the Zentraedi in Robotech - they were originally the "underlings" and miners that helped build the Robotech Masters "Empire" and the first fleet(s) of battleship in their home system. When the Master Zor "discovered" (stole it from the Invid) the energy of the "Protoculure" the other Masters subvetered this discovery to extend and enhance their own lives and start building towards an "Empire". After extracting the needed materials from the moon of Fantoma, the Zentraedi were "cloned", had their memories of having a nascent "culture" wiped, to form the (gender segregated) fighting "legions" in service to the Masters quest for control of the local systems. Zor and a few of his Zentraedi soldiers rebeled, sending his own "special" ship (the humans will call it the SDF-1) to a distant planet that he had come to believe held similar life to his own. The Zentraedi themselves only knew their Masters wanted Zor's ship recaptured, not that it was a "Protoculure" manufacturing facility. This is what gave Earth's "UN Spacey" the ability to build their transformering mecha - the power units were all created according to the same "Protoculure" energy sources found on the SDF-1. Which also partly shows why the Zentraedi were always kept focused on war fighting for the Masters - if they could maintain or build their own equipment, the Masters might loose control over their Zentraedi army. Then the Zentraedi could not only go their own way, but also one day gain the power to oppose their far fewer Masters and their "Bioroid" enforcers / fighters. The differences between how "Culture" and "Protoculure" are defined by Macross and Robotech are quite markedly different in many instances - and so are the effects on the Zentraedi.
I loved Robotech as a kid. The whole Macross series is great, Frontier, Delta, DYRL?......
OMG you did it! I love you for it!
Ok Certifiably in-game did you watch Robotech and how was you're reaction?
I'm curious as well
Atleast it's SDF Macross not Robotech
I'm happy
I can’t believe you did the Zentraedi!!
Gamilans from Star Blazer Series (Original, 2199, 2202)
SIR, THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!Again....THANK YOU!!!!!
Yes being looking forward to to this. But can we get some Zerg love. ZERG IS THE WORD I will not stop
The Zerg are the Tyranids with the serial numbers filed off.
Do the New Types from Mobile Suit Gundam UC and After War eras count as races or cultures?
Plz do a video about the grunts from halo
this show is like japanese poeple into Ancient Aliens, Chariots of the Gods, Nephilim Stories of giants and keylontic science project camelot ashayana deane in the 80s liek japanese peopel read UFO lkore books made an anime. So grateful to the Japanese for allowing us to learn this at an early age in the 90s on TV!
Like Zero, Frontier, Plus , 7 and Delta
Now you've done it. Can you make a Cultural Index on DC Comics Green Lantern Corp?
Already Did
Have you thought about doing a codex on the BETA from muv Luv?
I think Macross would have tripled or more in popularity if they'd made the Zentradi smaller; maybe 40k Primarch tall or a little more.
I love you for this.
whats the name of the music from the beginning ?
What I'd like to see is on star wars, the Jedi and the sith.
You need to do a Cultural Index about Star Wars Pure Blood Sith.
There are also the caters for the Vogon fleets in Hitchhjkers Guide to the Galaxy.
Dentrassis
Wow cool!
Hmmm they have a different back story in the movie version right? Because there they had culture but they forgot about it? And humans were technically part zentradi where both men and women produced unlike the original series where they were segregated from each other.
They called this series Robotech in the 1980s...
Robotech is not the same as Macross.
They are totally different series, even though Robotech uses Macross animation.
I love Macross!!!
“By segregating the genders they removed any possibility of love”
so I guess this anime has never heard of being gay?
First off it was made in the 80's and secondly in a species that has 2 genders, being gay is not the norm.
There was no straight or gay sex, not even 'self love'. Why do you think they were always so damn cranky?
Yack DeCulture!
Methinks the Zentradi were the inspiration for the Jem' Hadar
More than likely.
In a separate Macross series, there was a race of Zentradi who used singing as a call to battle. Female singers used their talents to lead the Zentradi forces into battle. The female singers continue to sing until the battle is over. This separate Macross series had two races of Zentradi. One of the two races was the first ones who have come into contact with Earth. Like the Zentradi of the first Macross series, their culture had totally focus on war. Oddly, the second race of Zentradi were defeated by the use of female singers. as well as the fighting abilities of the humans and their Zentradi allies, and the human-Zentaradi hybrids. From this video, the series Robotech can be now seen as one of the Macross meta-franchise series.
You're thinking of the Marduk from Macross II. That's an odd one because it's the only Macross production that didn't involve the original creators (except the character designer) and is considered non-canon. It really confused me as a teenager first getting into anime as anime, rather than the Americanized shows on tv, because it's a sequel to the movie rather than the TV series, and at that time I didn't even know there was a movie.
Macross 7 at times pulled the Build Fighters G Savoir instakill when the Jamming birds sung Macross 2 songs but failed to be effective.
ya you're thinking the Marduk they basicly enslaved the Zentradi
All information I saw came from Robotech (the macross saga) there is also the Robotech RPG (paper and dice) game by Palladium Books. all the way up to the Shadow Chronicles.
Macross and Robotech have varied timelines and bios for their races.
please do a video on the yuuzhan vong
How about the Ice Warriors from Doctor Who as the next cultural index?
PLEASE DO THE RDF!
Not bad. Not great, but not bad.
Can you do one on the triceratons from the 2003 tmnt series
As a kid, their size seemed weird to me, and it still does.
Next, the Invid!
I JUST REALIZED this was the STAR TREk channel i know and love halfway thgru the video hjahaha dude, this channel should do ZOOLOGICAL stuff and POLITCIAL REAL LIFE stuff man hahaha u proved yorusefl a neutral diplomat haha
It's even more surprising that their tech didn't break down long before the events of SDF Macross as maintenance was seen as an unnecessary skillset.
I think they had automated factories that seemed to churn out new ships but were never taught to improve/repair it.
@@CertifiablyIngame yeah. I'm probably overthinking it.
@@UncleMikeDropYeah, overthinking it is MY job!
@@CertifiablyIngame True. These things are best left to the professionals. LOL
in both versions Automated Factories were supplied for repair and manufacturing but in both versions one episode does point out those factories are starting to break down as well.
There are no cybernetics with any zentraedi
Didn’t think you did lore videos on classic anime. 🤨
I think this is kind of a special case. Although it'd be interesting to see one on, say, the Principality of Zeon.
Small correction, the females aren't called zentradi, they're meltradi.
Males among humans are zentrons and females meltrons
Please some or all the Dr Who species at some point.
What would happen if the Zentradi encountered the Borg?
So they are like Sontarans.
The Zentradi, unlike the Sontarans still poses a full emotional range, but yeah, there's a lot of similarities.
And they don't have a tendency to be short.
Pixy squadron leader is an anomaly.
jeck jeck Somewhat
But the Sontaran appear to be all male in appearance
Zentraedi females were better looking !
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Female.... Sontaran. 😱 Nightmare incarnate.
I’m amazed sdf stands for “super dimension force” and not the more...reasonable space defence force unless that game already existed?
SDF stands for Super Dimension Fortress.
And dimension is an allegory for the dimension of time-space.
The real life Zentradi Warriors are the Aum Shinrikiyo Doomsday Cult led by Shoko Asahara who did acts of terrorism in Japan.
I’m hip, in that I’m a micronized Zentraedi myself (it’s a long story)
Suggestion: Saiyens from Dragonball Z.
Always thought they were ZENTRAEDI ... but apparently there's lots of variations on their transliteration.
ZENTRAEDI are males. MELTRANDI are females. Also known as ZENTRAN and MELTRAN collectively, their speech centered around sex equates to humans referring to ethnicity.
i hope you'll be covering the new season of std.
(edit: sure is an unfortunate acronym for star trek discovery XD)
But very appropriate (at least according to most ST fans)
@@seanmcgrath3826 i'm still on the fence about it. the production, crew and characters are decent enough, but the focus is all wrong.
i'm just glad star trek is back on telly, but i'm starting to accept the fact that utopian sci-fi won't be coming back anytime soon.
Why not do one on the Robotech Masters and the Invid????
to be fair to get the full scope on them you would need to read ALOT of secondary canon the new main canon basicly nutered most of the original lore kinda like how disney killed the EU
Do the D’ni from Myst
They sound like the Jem Hedar