First Time Watching ALL of Star Trek - Episode 155: The Measure of a Man EXTENDED Edition (TNG S2)
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The Target Audience are watching Star Trek: The Next Generation for the first time! Today we watch the EXTENDED edition of season 2 episode 9 - The Measure of a Man
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Watch our first time reaction to The Measure of a Man - ruclips.net/video/uxcaO_X8K6I/видео.html
Michelle used to have reruns all the all the time and it probably still does but I can't watch it anymore because I don't get BBC America
It's not the Daystrom Institute you didn't recognize. You didn't notice that the institute is named after Dr. Daystrom, who created the M5 computer in the TOS episode "The Ultimate Computer". 🤓
Acted by the great William Marshall himself.
@@samuraiwarriorsunite Blackula himself.
"We're invincible!"
Considering what went down in that episode, I've always found it weird that Starfleet named a major academy after him
This is Star Trek, if you're not a 🤓 you're a fake fan.
been a fan since 1986. I had no idea this extended cut existed
Me neither.
Same!!!
Same here.
Me 2 1987 I don’t know when I first saw The Wrath of Khan? Age 3-4?
One of my favorite parts of this episode is when Riker is doing his research. The nonverbal subtlety of Frakes smiling in triumph, and then realizing the full implications of his discovery.
I had the exact same reaction a couple months back when I read Sir Patrick was about to read a new script for a possible Picard movie.
"This piece of fuckin shit" is my favorite line/delivery to date from you guys.
Apparently we only have this episode today because Melinda Snodgrass had it on an old VHS tape, and it was resurrected from that.
From what I recall the editors gave her a copy because they loved her script so much and wanted a version with all of the scenes that had to be cut.
I just read an article about it saying that the bulk of it did come from that VHS, but they subsequently found more from the original film reels. Surprisingly, i haven't actually seen it.
This was Amazing. Thank you. I saw all of TOS on Tv. When there were only three channels. I didn't want to watch TNG originally and I only saw a couple of Season 1 episodes, but later after Riker got his Beard, I really enjoyed TNG and I went back and watched all of the seasons. I've never seen this extended episode. I love Star Trek and I am really enjoying your reactions!
The added footage looks considerably better than something from a VHS tape.
@@richardb6260 it was restored, along with all of the other footage, when they did the remastering for the Blu-ray sets.
*_Damn! About 35 years after I saw that episode and I just learned that episode had THIS MUCH additional footage that was cut out... Makes me wonder about what was cut out of all the other episodes??_*
"Starfleet: JAG" has so much potential as a show concept.
I would watch the hell out of it.
No matter how many times I see this (even an edited "first time watch" video), I cry at the end when Data doesn't want Riker to feel bad about what he was forced to do.
That entire scene between Riker and Data hits your heart and mind on so many levels it's crazy. I wish I had friends like that.
6:16 love this Worf moment
Every ship has a dedicated Historian just in case they find some frozen super humans from the 90s but they don’t have a single JAG officer even though that would have come in handy multiple times.
Steve Shives has a skit were he plays a JAG officer on a star fleet vessel and complains at length about officers playing lawyer, with examples of funny complications that come up because the officers don't know what they are doing. He's got other skits too about a star fleet janitor, and a star fleet guidance councilor. They're great you should check them out.
It's wild they filmed so much extra footage. They would have known during filming they were going way over.
Never saw the extended. Didn't know it existed. THANK YOU.
I've always felt the Measure of a Man was not only one of the best stories from TNG, but of science fiction in general.
It pretends to be about the future and an android, but reflects important current human issues.
All of that said, I was totally unaware it could still be better. I didn't know the extended version existed. Thank you for sharing.
To me one of the best scenes is the one where Riker figures out a great stradgyto win the case and has this big smile, but then his expression changes when he realizes that winning the case is not a good thing.
I like data's longer elaboration at the end: "But Commander... Will. I have learned from your example. One must deny one's nature, sacrifice one's personal beliefs to protect another." And then it continues with the line we all know.
I think that wasn't in the original. I do not recall him calling Riker "Will".
Thanks for this guys, I'm almost 40 yr long tng fan and didn't know about the extra scenes. You're doing the lord's work
I'm one of those who watched the original airing of TNG who had no idea this existed. Thanks so much for sharing! This further supports how good the editing was on this show. To me, the picked they right scenes / takes to cut -- even if they are all gems. Very stoked to see Season 3's reactions.
Robert Meyer Burnett is the one responsible for putting this together. He knew the footage existed and suggested they put it together since they were already redoing post production on all of the episodes. He nailed it.
He actually has a very active RUclips channel called The Burnettwork. I’d caution against watching it only due to Trek spoilers. The man is an encyclopedia.
Been a fan of Rob for years because of Ultimate Schmoedown, cool guy
The Daystrom Institute is named after Richard Daystrom from TOS (The Ultimate Computer) who developed the duotronic computers used by Starfleet ships until Isolinear technology was developed. It's basically the foremost computer science institute in the Federation.
Also, I'm the kind of bimbo who is a huge Star Trek fan lifelong. I even own the blu-rays and did not know that there was an extended edition of measure, blessed and thank y'all
They changed the ending.
Melinda Snodgrass contacted the JAG Corps to find out how officers sometimes have to serve as lawyers when there isn't enough staff, having been an attorney herself.
I’ve heard people put down these kinds of episodes saying “it’s not Riker’s job.” Not realizing she did her research.
@MrFilbot Not to mention, this has happened before in TOS episodes in one form or another.🖖
I love that Josh teared up at the ending again 😂
I think Riker got chosen because he's the next highest-ranking officer on the base.
I think the judge explains this even.
I’d read about these extended scenes, but I’d never actually seen them until today. Thank you, guys!
It’s funny - in the piece I read, it said that in the fencing scene, Riker came to Picard to essentially say “I’m going to defeat you” as if he were gloating or something, but upon actually seeing it, it felt more like he was coming as a warning, that is “there’s a very real chance I might win, and I know neither of us wants that”
Attention to those who are watching this reaction: The extended edition of "The Measure of A Man" is only available to watch on the Blu-Ray edition of Season 2, Disc 2. Josh & Alex: THANK YOU, THANK YOU, THANK YOU, SO VERY MUCH, for reacting to this version of the episode! 🖖😃 Make it so, gentlemen!
With the new episodes they just let them run as long as they need, a real bonus of the streaming format. Some are short, some are long. Most still fit around 45 minutes because that's been the TV format for so long.
I also had no idea this existed, a negative to only watching it on streaming.
"Number One! I had no idea you were interested in swordplay!"
I didn't know this version either and I'm glad to have seen it now. It's true, it's even better now. Even if it's not my favourite episode ... ;)
Thanks to you for watching it with us!
Woah, add me to the list of people who didn't know this existed, thanks for sharing!
Dang, never heard of this
I thought I'd watched all of Star Trek TNG many times, but I'd never even heard of this very extended edition of this ep. Even when I read the title of your video (a mistake you guys don't make any more), I thought it would mean watching a handful of unsweetened "outtakes", not a fully formed hour-long version of the show. Thank you for alerting me to its existence; I will seek it out. I wonder if there are other eps that have this treatment? Also, I will continue to follow your journey through Star Trek "with great interest". Cheers!
I was lucky enough to see this extended episode in a movie theater to celebrate the blu-ray release of season 2. It was shown with Q-Who and a crew interview conducted by Wil Wheaton.
I've never seen this cut and I honestly wish that it had been left in it's entirety, there are some stunning scenes but the scene with Data giving Geordi the Holmes pipe and calling him irreplaceable actually made me tear up. That was an honestly beautiful scene. It shows so much that you do not need emotions to have connections about people, that sometimes a connection goes beyond the typical meaning and version of emotions.
I am another one who never knew this existed. Thank you so much for sharing this reaction!
Guys, many thanks for this supplemental reaction. I am a lifelong fan of TNG and had no idea this extended version existed! 👍
I didn't know this existed either, and I'm a wee bit obsessive. Great reaction guys!
Steve Shives has a skit where he plays a JAG officer on a star fleet vessel and complains at length about officers playing lawyer, with examples of funny complications that come up because the officers don't know what they are doing. He's got other skits too about a star fleet janitor, and a star fleet guidance councilor. They're great you should check them out.
Glad you did this, brothers. Thanks!
So, ensign Picard served aboard a ship called the Reliant? (Obviously it's not the one from Wrath of Khan that blew up a century earlier). That's an interesting bit of info that we don't get anywhere else. I wonder what class of starship it was... I don't think it's ever revealed.
Not in canon sources, but Memory Beta has a section on the second of its name, built to replace the destroyed one. So it's also a Miranda class, although by the time Picard served it had been modified as a destroyer instead of the purposes we see the first science ship.
@@rhaedas9085Thanks for finding the info. I also heard that and found it very interesting.
I'm not sure if they ever figured out what admiral uniforms are supposed to look like.
What do they look like?
I'm a lifelong (pre-2006) Trek fan, and somehow....i never knew this extended cut existed. I guess i didn't go through all the special features on the BluRay years ago. Or, i did know, watched it, forgot about it, and i'm just losing my mind. Either is certainly possible.
So I guess you could say…. We knew more about Star Trek than you… wow…
The only mistake in the episode is that Picard is "buying dinner" when money doesn't exist in the federation XD
I definitely appreciate this since I don't, yet, have TNG in my collection of physical media.
I understand the thinking behind cutting some of these scenes/lines. That said, this episode is enhanced overall by the extra footage.
Thirteen minutes extra? It does make one wonder how much extra was filmed for the other episodes that ended up on the cutting room floor & how inclusion could've changed our view of those episodes, for better or worse.
The character you were commenting on in the Engineering Room scene would be Ensign Gomez. I cannot say anything more lest I venture into spoiler territory.
love the little extra scene with Geordi and Data, glad you got to see the extended version!
Worf was ready to kick some a**
Melinda Snodgrass is a great writer.
She also wrote for an anthology series called Wild Cards. Edited George RR Martin. Who also contributed, along with several other, to the series.
More on Wild Cards as it becomes relevant.
once again all the feels - love this extended version and we all quote the line together "there it sits!!!"
Data called him will! What a lovely new thing to see from this episode
Ok; I didn't know this even existed in sufficiently edited form to be watchable.
Scenes with the Admiral: redundant to what the original episode already says. Scenes with Data and friends, they are good but don't bring a lot to the episode in itself. The bit in Ten Forward with Worf and Riker is absolute GOLD on the other hand.
I think it's Starfleet protocol that in the absence of dedicaded and specialized Law orientated personnel, the Captain can do the role of the Defendant's Lawyer while the First Officer can be the Prosecutor for the Plaintiff. That's why when Louvois lacks personnel, she asks Riker to prosecute as Picard came to Defend.
Last Riker/Data dialogue as the end seems longer that the official one...
Another missed opportunity for Pulaski, who we've already established is recognized by other scientists. to be the one with a convincing speech for the court, given that she herself was just convinced this season that Data is alive.
My question is: are there OTHER "extended cut" episodes? Like so many other people, I never knew of this till it was mentioned in the first reaction video.
No
Thanks, guys. I, too, never knew about this.
Yeah one of my top 5 favourites, and I never knew this extended cut existed thanks a lot fellas! 😊🙏🏽👍🏽🖖🏽❤️
This is much better than the broadcast episode.
Longtime Star Trek fan, but did not know about this Extended Edition. I enjoyed the extra scenes and your commentary. I can understand why the fencing scene was cut; it's fun to watch, but doesn't add much to the story that had not been shown elsewhere. However, the scenes involving Worf and Geordi add emotional resonance to the story.
Thanks for the bonus content! It helps with the TA-TNG withdrawal symptoms. Enjoy your break, and get rested up for season 3!
Totally agree. Must seek it out and watch in thru.
8:44, Picard said this quote in the 1st episode, 1st season in the Q's court!! Watching this now a lot has been cut. My favorite to this point is Picard's sword practice.
Great video guys! I didn't know there was a extended version! Thanks guys! Keep up the great work!
5:03 Oh my god, that was PRECIOUS!
Yes Worf was about to kill him.
Thanks, I didn't know about the extra scenes. This version is even better!
I had never seen this before. Thank you for revealing it!
I had no idea there was an extended cut of this episode. After 30 years, I finally see new TNG scenes. And they were great. This has given me the warm fuzzies, thank you for doing this reaction.
Glad you enjoyed it!
That was amazing! I never even knew it existed.
considering the tension of the courtroom, they could've kept those scenes in and just made it a 2 parter
I haven't seen the extended version before. Though there are a few bits that I feel were tightened up well by the final edit, or weren't strictly necessary to the story, it does add quite a lot.
14:48 that scene also explains the later episode with Moriarty when Geordi pulls out the pipe out and Data is instantly excited at the prospect! 😊
(Another episode that deals with another sentient being, one that even lacked the capability of having a physical presence outside the holodeck). 😮
NO SPOILERS!
@@samlanganke1262 NOT A SPOILER! Even if YOU haven’t seen the episode (TNG)S2:E3! If you’re following them you should have ALREADY seen that episode! At the beginning of the Episode, Gordi gives Data his pipe back, from when Data gave it to him upon his decision to leave Star Trek in the episode “Measure of a man”!
So PLEASE don’t try to give spoilers by saying no spoiler! Mr. Boimler!
Never seen it or heard of it. Love it!
I love that Alex says “Kayfabe” to tag behind-the-scenes info, which is the exact opposite of what Kayfabe is supposed to be.
Damn, didn't even know this existed.
When I watched it, I did so on Netflix and didn't even know it was an extended cut. All felt like it was supposed to be there.
Thank the Gods & Melinda keeping the VHS Tape. I do recall (from a US Mag at the time) that it was challenging to trim this episode down. Overall I think the edit was great, keeping in all the key parts, personally I would have said "to hell" and aired it as a special extended edition ;) Its bugging me that I cant remember this US Mag I used to read.. each season & episode had a complete breakdown including what went on behind the scenes... anyone remember?>
I never knew there was an extended version?
How satisfying would the episode have been if instead of a trial, they let Worf settle it the Klingon way?
Wow. I had no idea an extended edition existed
It's on the Blu ray
If there are more extended episodes in existence I want to see them! If not I bet some can be made with the extra footage laying around for most episodes (I hope)!
Congratulations guys! A lifelong Star Trek TNG fan, and I had no awareness there even existed extended episodes! Please find and discuss more! x
I believe this is the only one unfortunately
The scene at the end with Riker and Data is great, but what gets me is when the judge says "... has the right to choose." and the music kicks in. I love the music in season 2. I don't think they reuse these pieces in the following seasons and I don't know why.
Even more Measure of a Man?
Yes! A Full Measure!
May can't come any quicker...
Worf was gonna stomp him.
I never knew this existed either.
If you like stuff like this there's an extended cut version of T2 that runs 15 minutes longer than what was in theaters. You could watch it with or without the deleted scenes spliced back in. It's not bad. You'll understand why most of the extras were removed, but it is worth at least one watch, even if it does completely ruin a suspenseful moment near the end.
You guys are such teases. I've been waiting, and waiting for you two to breach the season 3 threshold. But you had to do it. You had to drag it out just a little bit further......
6:19 Another Worf is denied again was cut out of the original. How dare they, Worf twice denied in the same scene.
ooooh! nice touch at the end of the vid!😅yeah! this is cool indeed! great reactions as always!
excellent, it has more footage than the extra on the DVDs
What may happen by setting a gray area precedent? I'm a great believer in Slippery Slopes. That scene was in the TV cut. I've seen this episode many times. The content & ethics of this episode may hv bn worth a 2 part-er back in the day. Glad u guys dug this extended version out. Great stuff! Back to issues of ethics, morality & slippery slopes. My guess is they'll always be part of the human existence.
Maddox was literal inches from a very painful death.
Starfleet is what would be termed a para-military organization in that it contains a rank structure and chain of command. Roddenberry based Starfleet on the US Coast Guard in that its primary mission is exploration, diplomacy, and rendering aid but in time of war it is folded into the country's (Federation's) military and performs defensive and offensive missions.
Actually 7358,Starfleet is based off the navy and the battle bridge is based on Navy air-craft carriers ( all carriers have a battle-bridges just in case the main bridge is destroyed.It's located inside a carrier )
OK, while waiting for S3, I watched all if TOS, TAS and the movies that you have done expecting to come back and find S3 at least under way. Soon?
You are going to absolutely love season 3.
It weird, I remember watching some of the cut scenes like Data’s party when I was a kid, they must have aired this version in the UK at some point?
Guinan ,like a lawyer, was leading Picard to make his own conclusions. In other words, she was leading him to the conclusion of slavery without explicitly, putting the idea in his head.
This is a good point. We also have to consider by the 24th century, in so far as Federation society is concerned, the notion or concept of slavery being somehow implemented is completely foreign.
imagine if picard did an "off button hypospray" on the doctor, as an example that we humans can also be "turned off"
A Vulcan “neck pinch”would be a closer example. But I, too, always wondered that.
"So can Mark Henry" 😂 keep up the good work guys!
Glad someone got a kick out of that.
You can't remember everything unless you've watched the episodes several times (continuous loop on the sci-fi channel) or have a photographic memory. The Daystorm Institute could be compared to Skynet, The episode is from 2nd season TOS and called The Ultimate Computer. Dr. Richard Daystrom has convinced Starfleet that his computer will revolutiionizs space travel by making starships fully automated (we will no longer have to risk human lives to discover what's out there). The Enterprise is the test subject in a wargames simulation against 4 other starships. The computer performs admirably in the first test and then flips out and starts attacking the other starships. Moral of the story if someone from the Daystrom Institute approaches you with "a great idea" - RUN!!!!
Jesus, I've never seen any of this. 😆
This was reakky great! This is the first time I have ever seen any of these deleted scenes, So is this from the Blue ray Edition?
Yes, it is on the blu ray box set. It’s also on the internet archive
oh okay! thanks!@@targetaudience