I love that idea of farmers being artisans. I’m from Cape Town and food is very much a culture here. Artisan foods are plentiful and there absolutely is a difference. Eat artisan grade bread for a week and you’ll never eat processed store bread again 😂
Great video as always! That carfree cities design with the edenicity zoom looks really cool, almost organic like a biology illustration. Have you ever read Paolo Soleri? Arcologies are really cool sci-fi structures but the idea of miniaturization behind them is in the same direction as your thinking.
Thanks, I haven't read Soleri, just articles about Arcosanti. As I learn more about it and other utopian projects such as the Venus Project, I may attempt an Edenicity comparison video. For now, the Edenicity drawings are meant to give a sense of the land use choices involved in city-scale, transit-oriented permaculture.
There's an interesting link between your Paris density comparison there and the idea of farm workers making city wages, a lot of people who farm in France can go to their job on the farm from their home in Paris on public transportation. Paris's city limit is pretty enforced, it doesn't really sprawl past its boundaries and the farms that feed its famous food culture are right there in the adjoining region and the transport network reaches out to it.
One thing I’m curious about too, is I once saw how Russians grew citrus in deep channels in the ground that they then in winter put glass over to create a sort of green house. In colder climates to be able to create citrus would be a boom from both sustainability, energy independence and just not rely on shipping from long distances. I’m wondering how well this could be included in this method or if any problems with it are foreseen. I don’t think they do it any more, but it seemed like it would be a cheaper way to manage a bunch of dwarf trees for citrus, perhaps need a pump and some thermal mass in the channel to both eliminate excess water (that falls in it in case of flooding) and maybe extra thermal mass in order to keep warm in winter. I’m sure it could be improved by a designer but when I learned about this it just made a ton of sense. Maybe add some sort of distributive light mirror on sides to reflect more light in it to increase photosynthesis. And if it needed to be heated we could probably dig a deep hole next to it and have it insulated and have a solar powered water heater heat it up all summer and use the size of the hole and insulation to retain the heat all winter.(like reverse of those historical big ice houses but for creating hot water for homes. and heating. liid the heat from water could be circulated through these greenhouses in winter by turning it on. wondering what you think? it might even be a cheap way to make a permaculture waste water treatment plant in a separate area that could use the same radiant heat from the solar water heater.
As far as the potential of the cultural benefit goes, there's a farmer's market near where my mother lives that runs just on Saturday mornings (although it's closed again, I think, because of roadworks for a new development along that way). The traffic is crazy when it's in operation. People come from tens of kilometers away to go there, mainly because it's such a novelty to do shopping on a human level. Now I think of it, I don't recall ever seeing a busker at a mall, here. There's a guy who's always at the airport, but that's about it. Double the number of farmers market and you might just double the number of local musicians who earn at least part of their income from this. Sounds like there's even "culture" to be gained from the cultural benefit aspect.
I’m curious how you sell this or design things to work with the sort of high orderliness and disgust sensative person dare I say kinda ocd temperment. I just know and maybe I’m not doing the best but I’m trying to learn this stuff living at home and I def know I’ve run into trouble trying new things with this type
I agree and also disagree at the same time. Cities, like Paris are too centralized in which that their policies often affect the centers and then outwards. This negatively benefits people living in the outskirts, which in Paris' case, the so-called "ghettos". City farming should be in those areas rather than closer to the centers as a way to provide some industry to migrants as well as other unemployed citizens to give them a lifeline to work as well as converting them to tax payers rather than tax burdens as well as provide a pipeline for integration into society. This would also be a way to reduce crime as more people would be put to work. Any surplus from farmers outward can work towards crop export. I'm not sure if I'm on the right track but this is what I believe would be better.
Thanks for grappling with these ideas. Urban farming could indeed expand the economy in the outer areas-and throughout the city as it adds inclusionary housing (see www.urban.org/urban-wire/lessons-france-creating-inclusionary-housing-mandating-citywide-affordability)
Rooftop farming is great. The closest thing in reality is Singapore. USA, or any country, can implement it if they place some tax break on developers. I think if you present a hypothetical situation based on actual numbers on specific town, some people might be inspired to implement it. Most of the low intensity crops should be made in the city. Let the high intensity crops be grown in the rural areas along with the meat and poultry. They would be able to recycle nitrogen more efficiently than in the city lowering the need for synthetic fertilizer. The problem I saw on the industrial urban farming trend was their focus on being a tech company. They made it so complicated and "efficient" than they let go resiliency and economics. Edenicity sounds a more resilient and economical approach especially if the landlord or the building caretaker is also the farmer.
Rooftop space is just too valuable to allow it to go to waste. Farms are useful, but if nothing else is an option they should all be covered in solar panels.
@vylbird8014 It's case by case. Here in Ohio, I calculated that the roof of my 5-floor building could supply 80% of its energy demand (after a few efficiency upgrades) with 50% coverage by solar panels. That leaves more than 50% for gardens, if the panels are installed to partially shade crops that prefer that. For more details on the Edenicity energy supply, visit ruclips.net/video/XnfM0Qjmev0/видео.htmlsi=LCNXWnCG2et6zQgO
@diazalex5314 The published yields I’ve seen are all over the map. I have some ideas about why, but I hope to talk with (and hopefully visit) several productive rooftop farms before I get any more specific in future episodes.
@@edenicity what I want is a website we can have people go on a certify or something that a building can hold the weight that could start conversations for buildings. Like people could see a map of nearby buildings that could do it with plans and resources and cost estimates etc.
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I love that idea of farmers being artisans. I’m from Cape Town and food is very much a culture here. Artisan foods are plentiful and there absolutely is a difference. Eat artisan grade bread for a week and you’ll never eat processed store bread again 😂
Great video as always! That carfree cities design with the edenicity zoom looks really cool, almost organic like a biology illustration. Have you ever read Paolo Soleri? Arcologies are really cool sci-fi structures but the idea of miniaturization behind them is in the same direction as your thinking.
Thanks, I haven't read Soleri, just articles about Arcosanti. As I learn more about it and other utopian projects such as the Venus Project, I may attempt an Edenicity comparison video. For now, the Edenicity drawings are meant to give a sense of the land use choices involved in city-scale, transit-oriented permaculture.
There's an interesting link between your Paris density comparison there and the idea of farm workers making city wages, a lot of people who farm in France can go to their job on the farm from their home in Paris on public transportation. Paris's city limit is pretty enforced, it doesn't really sprawl past its boundaries and the farms that feed its famous food culture are right there in the adjoining region and the transport network reaches out to it.
Great video as always!
That land value slide is crazy. #justtaxland
One thing I’m curious about too, is I once saw how Russians grew citrus in deep channels in the ground that they then in winter put glass over to create a sort of green house. In colder climates to be able to create citrus would be a boom from both sustainability, energy independence and just not rely on shipping from long distances. I’m wondering how well this could be included in this method or if any problems with it are foreseen. I don’t think they do it any more, but it seemed like it would be a cheaper way to manage a bunch of dwarf trees for citrus, perhaps need a pump and some thermal mass in the channel to both eliminate excess water (that falls in it in case of flooding) and maybe extra thermal mass in order to keep warm in winter. I’m sure it could be improved by a designer but when I learned about this it just made a ton of sense. Maybe add some sort of distributive light mirror on sides to reflect more light in it to increase photosynthesis. And if it needed to be heated we could probably dig a deep hole next to it and have it insulated and have a solar powered water heater heat it up all summer and use the size of the hole and insulation to retain the heat all winter.(like reverse of those historical big ice houses but for creating hot water for homes. and heating. liid the heat from water could be circulated through these greenhouses in winter by turning it on. wondering what you think? it might even be a cheap way to make a permaculture waste water treatment plant in a separate area that could use the same radiant heat from the solar water heater.
As far as the potential of the cultural benefit goes, there's a farmer's market near where my mother lives that runs just on Saturday mornings (although it's closed again, I think, because of roadworks for a new development along that way). The traffic is crazy when it's in operation. People come from tens of kilometers away to go there, mainly because it's such a novelty to do shopping on a human level.
Now I think of it, I don't recall ever seeing a busker at a mall, here. There's a guy who's always at the airport, but that's about it. Double the number of farmers market and you might just double the number of local musicians who earn at least part of their income from this. Sounds like there's even "culture" to be gained from the cultural benefit aspect.
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🤣 I like to keep it simple!
I’m curious how you sell this or design things to work with the sort of high orderliness and disgust sensative person dare I say kinda ocd temperment. I just know and maybe I’m not doing the best but I’m trying to learn this stuff living at home and I def know I’ve run into trouble trying new things with this type
I agree and also disagree at the same time. Cities, like Paris are too centralized in which that their policies often affect the centers and then outwards. This negatively benefits people living in the outskirts, which in Paris' case, the so-called "ghettos". City farming should be in those areas rather than closer to the centers as a way to provide some industry to migrants as well as other unemployed citizens to give them a lifeline to work as well as converting them to tax payers rather than tax burdens as well as provide a pipeline for integration into society. This would also be a way to reduce crime as more people would be put to work. Any surplus from farmers outward can work towards crop export.
I'm not sure if I'm on the right track but this is what I believe would be better.
Thanks for grappling with these ideas. Urban farming could indeed expand the economy in the outer areas-and throughout the city as it adds inclusionary housing (see www.urban.org/urban-wire/lessons-france-creating-inclusionary-housing-mandating-citywide-affordability)
Rooftop farming is great. The closest thing in reality is Singapore. USA, or any country, can implement it if they place some tax break on developers.
I think if you present a hypothetical situation based on actual numbers on specific town, some people might be inspired to implement it.
Most of the low intensity crops should be made in the city. Let the high intensity crops be grown in the rural areas along with the meat and poultry. They would be able to recycle nitrogen more efficiently than in the city lowering the need for synthetic fertilizer.
The problem I saw on the industrial urban farming trend was their focus on being a tech company. They made it so complicated and "efficient" than they let go resiliency and economics. Edenicity sounds a more resilient and economical approach especially if the landlord or the building caretaker is also the farmer.
Rooftop space is just too valuable to allow it to go to waste. Farms are useful, but if nothing else is an option they should all be covered in solar panels.
@vylbird8014 It's case by case. Here in Ohio, I calculated that the roof of my 5-floor building could supply 80% of its energy demand (after a few efficiency upgrades) with 50% coverage by solar panels. That leaves more than 50% for gardens, if the panels are installed to partially shade crops that prefer that. For more details on the Edenicity energy supply, visit ruclips.net/video/XnfM0Qjmev0/видео.htmlsi=LCNXWnCG2et6zQgO
@diazalex5314 The published yields I’ve seen are all over the map. I have some ideas about why, but I hope to talk with (and hopefully visit) several productive rooftop farms before I get any more specific in future episodes.
@@edenicity what I want is a website we can have people go on a certify or something that a building can hold the weight that could start conversations for buildings. Like people could see a map of nearby buildings that could do it with plans and resources and cost estimates etc.
How do you think business would be conducting with this model?
so smart!