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I'm in a caravan and want rid of the tray and door to make it a walk in wet room. I have the ceramic tiles so where do I go from here? You wanna come over and do it for me? Lol. Fab vids.
As a new plumber in the uk, can honestly say, dude your vids have been invaluable. Dude, do a skill-share-vid if you havent already. Your stuff is is on point and you've got the presentation skills 100%. I cant thank you enough for taking the time to making these sort of vids, Thank you, truly, thank you.
Thanks James, after watching this many times it gave me the confidence to do mine. I’m not a professional plumber by trader but feel more than a have a go one. Please with my efforts thanks for showing a video like this
finally got a placement to do my nvq level 2 it's going to cost me 1000 but it be worth it in the end! all big firms require the qualification and i won't be limited like i am at the moment with the basic tech cert level 2. I can't wait to get qualified and become a plumber properly. i love your videos they will help me achieve my on site qualifications.
Great video. Just one thing 90% of shower trays bought in the UK require a sand and cement base. The CT1 you use can flex if the middle of the tray is not flat on the floor (not your fault if it's not flat, just the way the tray is made) and the tray could crack. People read the instructions for your type of tray before you install it. If the tray cracks and is not installed as per the instructions you will not be covered under the guarantee.
I thought that as well, it only needs the floor to be 1mm out over that lenth of tray and it would be a bugger to tile, a sand and cement base would have easily solved that for less than £3.00 worth of materials. Another little tip.. I would have taken the plastic film off around the edge before the lay, so that it can be sealed, that film is a pest to get out between the wall and the tray after its down. other than that, a helpful video for a novice.
Had to reinstall a tray this week as it was moving and the seal between tray and tile had split. Took the tray out telling the customer it was a problem with the floor only to find it was fitted on silicone.
One does not always have the luxury of not always having the ceiling fitted yet. I have fitted trays where one has to fit the trap first to the pipe , then stick and lower tray to floor and thread in the top part of the shower trap!
I prefer knauf aquapanel rather than plasterboard. On the walls 12 mm and also on the floor 6 mm. I am surprised you did not have to bed on sand and cement. What did the tray maker say to do? Also I use a tape upstand on the tray periphery.
Hi mate. Loving the plumbing tips and tricks. Appreciate the time your taking out in aiding the trade. Can you please advise on which bath glue you use to seal the trap joints. Thanks
Hi mate can I lay and fix my shower tray to Hardie backer board? Or shall I but the Hardie backer boards up to the shower tray? Cheers Great vids mate helped me loads
Just been trying to get hold of ct1 from all my supporters. They've all heard of it but don't stock it yet not even grahams .Just ordered a few tubs from amazon .
Damn that's expensive stuff. They also don't stock it in Toolstation or Screwfix so I prob won't get it unless I really need something to hold my house up.
ArcanePath360 it's amazing stuff. Well worth the money. I've sealed gutters with it while water is pouring out. Never had a leak with it and been using it years
Hi thanks for this. Quick question. I see you havent put anything under the tray. Asking because I want to take a bath out and put a shower tray in same place. Underneath the bath its on boards like yours, so do i need to seal that floor with anything? Also can I use same hole and pipes that bath used for shower? So do I just buy the tray, that glue, shower seal ring and trap? We are looking to do it ourselves thas why Im asking?
Hi. Just a quick question.. Is it better to tile the walls first so the tiles sit behind the tray, or is it better to put the shower tray down first then tile so the tiles sit on top of the tray. Thanks in advance.
Hi. It’s better to do as he did it, first the shower on place and then the tiles will be on top. I was thinking to put a “classi seal flexible waterproof “ called like this here in Ireland, so it’s more secure but seems will be ok without it as well. The grout will do his part after Hopefully helps
By the way guys, the plasterboard is pre-treated waterproof Knauf.....that doesn't mean to say we are't going to be backing it to proof further and seal later in a video. I hope you enjoy!
Hi James used ur vids for years,I've cemented the tray onto the wood flooring so I would need to put drain thru tray and floor then sandwich the two together ! Do u think that way would give me a good seal ? Thanks s
Thanks for your excellent video. Is the flooring tiles then stuck down after the shower tray is fitted so that the shower tray profile is shallower in relation to the floor height? Many thanks Chris.
Great video, but regarding the holes in the joists, don't building regs say they have to be 1/4 joist size drilled at the center line? Understandably, as you mentioned, have given a fall, but how did you get around the building regs specs for the center line? Also, how did the chippies reinforce the notch for the waste trap? (BR specs say this has to be 1/8th joist depth)
I guess sometimes you have to balance what building regs say (and why certain figures are....to put it honestly....dreamt up!) and the reality of the situation. If BR's where conformed to in their absolute strictness... nothing would ever get built! Saying that, I always get BCntrl round and explain why I've done certain things and they're always happy with it. Reminds me of my OFTEC audit when they said 99% of tanks where non-compliant and to ignore the regs on them!
@@plumberparts This is what worries me the most. I've got to run a 40mm pipe through 4 joists. Although it's within the tolerance of hole size, I'll need to maintain a fall towards the stack. I told the customer it will be fine, but I'm crapping myself a bit now after already finding that very same reference diagram you flashed up mid-video. I feel I want to keep them all centered (and will have to piece together with couplings as you did), but really need that fall, and don't want to create bounce to the floor I need to tile! That's why I came on here, then I saw you do exactly what I was worried about doing... But I'm not sure if it's made me feel better about it or not! 😬
That waste pipe should have been dropped just under the joists and run along.After all boarded would be a little box - so no compromising regs and good enough of a look for a utility room.
Thanks for the video, I'm installing a bathroom myself but I don't see where the "vent" fits into this system? Is the soil stack the only vent? When is a separate vent for each P bend necessary?
Hi, Can you advise how to replace a shower tray waste in situ in a ground floor flat with a concrete floor? Particularly if it was siliconed in by the installer.
James Ive got this issue with loft on-suite. Due to confined space you get with lofts the joist are 150mm with a 2 metre span. I need to go through 3 joists and a trimmer at 16" centres to reach the stack. The shower tray is low to the floor with a Wirquin slim extra flat low profile trap. I am trying achieve a fall but with building regs 1 1/2 (40mm) waste is exceding the max a 37.5mm. Can I use 32mm instead to get through the joist and then go up to 40mm to connect to the stack. Also reinforce around holes. Steve the spark.
Could you do one where the shower tray is installed in place of a bath, obviously different issues with connecting the trap and waste I presume, probably necessitating a riser of some sorts? You are more than welcome to come and do mine for me and video the process :-)
I'm laying on concrete floor so I need to make a raised platform. So i better to make concrete base or wood? Taking into account I need space for the pipe.
Has anyone ever experienced fitting a shallow shower tray where the water does not disapate very quickly and builds up and floods the room. Is there a certain amount of pipe length and run of that is needed for these trays? I fitted one in Spain which was a total nightmare. The pipework is 1.1/2 diameter that flows into 1/2 inch stump. Your asking of 5 litres of water to be pushed through a small diameter. Any suggestions
Hi, thanks for the great video's pal. About to take on my first bathroom reno and fit a new larger shower. However all pipes run above ground and I'm wondering if you had any advice on riser kit vs wooden frame for the new tray? If using a wooden frame, how would you suggest levelling it? Biscuits? Cement? Magic?
Do you recommend rich tea or digestive? Again in all seriousness though, the floor appears to be standard wooden flooring underneath the current tiles.
Hi, I like your channel subscribed to get more content.I'm looking to install a 1600 x 800 shower tray. Do you recommend any , or are they any I should stay well clear of.
I've seen some vids were they use a upstand product stuck all around the shower tray touching the wall or a shower tray with upstand built in, do you use these at all, are they any good ?
dalessandrelli I'm VERY surprises he not using an up stand weather it the classic seal or the up stand build into the tray.I wouldn't put a tray in with out an upstand .its total peace of mind to be leak free around the edge. 95% of the time that's where the tray will leak with out an up stand especially up stairs on stud work walls
Ok this video is about how to install a shower siphon instead of the tray... i would wanted to see what material can i use to fix the tray on the ground
I don't get the drop measurement? Is the first joist down 5mm then the second is down 10 mm then the 3rd joist down 15mm or is it just simply each joist is dropped down 5 mm with respect to the first?
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I'm in a caravan and want rid of the tray and door to make it a walk in wet room. I have the ceramic tiles so where do I go from here? You wanna come over and do it for me? Lol. Fab vids.
As a new plumber in the uk, can honestly say, dude your vids have been invaluable. Dude, do a skill-share-vid if you havent already. Your stuff is is on point and you've got the presentation skills 100%. I cant thank you enough for taking the time to making these sort of vids, Thank you, truly, thank you.
'Sometimes it's just the only way', very well summed up at the end there and great video, thank you!
Thanks James, after watching this many times it gave me the confidence to do mine. I’m not a professional plumber by trader but feel more than a have a go one. Please with my efforts thanks for showing a video like this
Extremely helpful video again mate!! Bravo 👏🏼
Cheers man!
Great video and always very easy to follow,would love to see how you go about fitting a tray onto a solid floor
finally got a placement to do my nvq level 2 it's going to cost me 1000 but it be worth it in the end! all big firms require the qualification and i won't be limited like i am at the moment with the basic tech cert level 2. I can't wait to get qualified and become a plumber properly. i love your videos they will help me achieve my on site qualifications.
Thanks for taking us along, always very enjoyable and interesting!
No worries!
Good video pal. Reckon your better off cementing the tray down though.
love these vids could literally watch em all day and they actually motivate me for work on Monday
Ha! Cheers Stuart!
Great video. Just one thing 90% of shower trays bought in the UK require a sand and cement base. The CT1 you use can flex if the middle of the tray is not flat on the floor (not your fault if it's not flat, just the way the tray is made) and the tray could crack. People read the instructions for your type of tray before you install it. If the tray cracks and is not installed as per the instructions you will not be covered under the guarantee.
I was literally just thinking the same. Ive never seen a tray fitted without a sand and cement mix and never ever with just glue?
@@jamieavis1591 ye no a lot of trays get layed with just silicone u just dont see it lol
I thought that as well, it only needs the floor to be 1mm out over that lenth of tray and it would be a bugger to tile, a sand and cement base would have easily solved that for less than £3.00 worth of materials. Another little tip.. I would have taken the plastic film off around the edge before the lay, so that it can be sealed, that film is a pest to get out between the wall and the tray after its down. other than that, a helpful video for a novice.
Had to reinstall a tray this week as it was moving and the seal between tray and tile had split. Took the tray out telling the customer it was a problem with the floor only to find it was fitted on silicone.
Might seem boring to some this video, but it's really helped me on my first every bathroom installment (not even close to DIY savvy)
Window sucker definitely a must just got one will buy another soon 👍
My son likes your videos after watching This Woodwork, Matthias Wandel and Espares.
Hi shower tray should be put down with weeak sand cement mix so it can be levelled, or flex rapid set adhesive
On a screed floor sand cement mix not on weyrock flooring it will dry out
Sticks like shit turbo is the answer
well done bro, veri motivate me to upgrade my bathroom, thx
really enjoyed his video... we have a clear vision know... thank you
One does not always have the luxury of not always having the ceiling fitted yet. I have fitted trays where one has to fit the trap first to the pipe , then stick and lower tray to floor and thread in the top part of the shower trap!
Mate, I'll get a job like this, they come round every few weeks!
All of my tray installations are like that.
Flexi waste connectors are a Godsend!
Just a tip, if you need larger hole, use one of the diamond core drills you've got, tgey go through wood to.
Great video James 🔧🔧
Cheers mate!
bro, i love your channel, i'm a youtuber and plumber myself, id love to be able to do both one day if i have my own business, great channel man!
Cheers dude!
You look like the sniper on American sniper, love your videos btw, so useful.
I prefer knauf aquapanel rather than plasterboard. On the walls 12 mm and also on the floor 6 mm. I am surprised you did not have to bed on sand and cement. What did the tray maker say to do? Also I use a tape upstand on the tray periphery.
At last someone who knows how to fit a shower tray
Maximum whole diameter is a 1/4 of the joist depth and holes must be drilled to the center line of the joist that waste starts very high
Great video as always.
Cheers dude!
Missed you threading the pipe through the joists
mate I am literally in bed with a cup of tea...psychic!
Ha!
Enjoyed that. Nice presentation style. High five.
Hi mate. Loving the plumbing tips and tricks. Appreciate the time your taking out in aiding the trade. Can you please advise on which bath glue you use to seal the trap joints. Thanks
that's the best video i never seened
Hold tight no classi seal
Great video all the same
Is there a second part to this vid showing sealing / finishing etc ?
Hi love your channel.when you say CT1 is that sealant and adhesive .cheers
great video james realy enjoyed.
Cheers mate!
Makita 36v angle drill extension bar
Could you show us some first fixing measurements of appliances how high and where they need to be placed. and great videos by the way
Fantastic 👍
Hi james i habe a new shower cabin the hole in the base for the trap is 86 instead of 90 any ideas?
Does the ceiling belowhave to come down to fit a low profile tray ?
whoop whoop plumbers crack for the win make us plumbers proud!!!
Top video as always
Hi mate can I lay and fix my shower tray to Hardie backer board? Or shall I but the Hardie backer boards up to the shower tray? Cheers
Great vids mate helped me loads
Fantastic plumbing explanation! Will you be doing more videos like this soon?
James, did you ever post part 2 to this video ?
On silicone 😳 timbers move over the seasons that tray will crack. Should be on cement bed like the other comment says. Glad your not fitting my tray 😜
Silicone is flexible it will move. Plus if it moves with tile adhesive it will also crack. Odds is the difference
Just been trying to get hold of ct1 from all my supporters. They've all heard of it but don't stock it yet not even grahams .Just ordered a few tubs from amazon .
Thanks for that.
Nice! you using a 1200w Titan Wet/Dry/Blow vac - good little machines them!
Yeah, it was sitting around on site....
Not heard of CT1 before. I generally use door and frame sealant on everything
Mate, check it out....its ledge!
Damn that's expensive stuff. They also don't stock it in Toolstation or Screwfix so I prob won't get it unless I really need something to hold my house up.
ArcanePath360 it's amazing stuff. Well worth the money. I've sealed gutters with it while water is pouring out. Never had a leak with it and been using it years
That does sound pretty amazing
Hi thanks for this. Quick question. I see you havent put anything under the tray. Asking because I want to take a bath out and put a shower tray in same place. Underneath the bath its on boards like yours, so do i need to seal that floor with anything? Also can I use same hole and pipes that bath used for shower? So do I just buy the tray, that glue, shower seal ring and trap? We are looking to do it ourselves thas why Im asking?
Great videos like always 🤙🏽
Cheers dude! Hope it helped!
Hi.
Just a quick question..
Is it better to tile the walls first so the tiles sit behind the tray, or is it better to put the shower tray down first then tile so the tiles sit on top of the tray.
Thanks in advance.
Hi. It’s better to do as he did it, first the shower on place and then the tiles will be on top.
I was thinking to put a “classi seal flexible waterproof “ called like this here in Ireland, so it’s more secure but seems will be ok without it as well.
The grout will do his part after
Hopefully helps
@abelharuta1007 yes it makes sense. Thnx
Please do more singing. You should go on Britain's Got Talent. You would win it.
By the way guys, the plasterboard is pre-treated waterproof Knauf.....that doesn't mean to say we are't going to be backing it to proof further and seal later in a video. I hope you enjoy!
Waterproof?
Thanks
Is there another video showing the tanking ?
What would u cover/protect the shower tray from the plaster and tilers thanks love the videos
Thanks for the great video. Where do i buy the red trap tightener that you used(UK)
Hi James used ur vids for years,I've cemented the tray onto the wood flooring so I would need to put drain thru tray and floor then sandwich the two together ! Do u think that way would give me a good seal ? Thanks s
Ct1 if fine if your floor is compleatley level each way otherwise i use fast set tile adhisive or normal set but make sure its a flexible adhisive
Thanks for your excellent video.
Is the flooring tiles then stuck down after the shower tray is fitted so that the shower tray profile is shallower in relation to the floor height?
Many thanks Chris.
Yep you won't see tiles laid under the tray and be a waste of money ;)
hi wat is the past type stuff you put on the plastic wast pipe before you pushed it into a connector? thx mark..great vid..
Urgent help needed please - what do you do if the floor isn't quite level when using CT1. Is there anyway to level out the shower tray?
Great video, but regarding the holes in the joists, don't building regs say they have to be 1/4 joist size drilled at the center line? Understandably, as you mentioned, have given a fall, but how did you get around the building regs specs for the center line? Also, how did the chippies reinforce the notch for the waste trap? (BR specs say this has to be 1/8th joist depth)
I guess sometimes you have to balance what building regs say (and why certain figures are....to put it honestly....dreamt up!) and the reality of the situation. If BR's where conformed to in their absolute strictness... nothing would ever get built! Saying that, I always get BCntrl round and explain why I've done certain things and they're always happy with it.
Reminds me of my OFTEC audit when they said 99% of tanks where non-compliant and to ignore the regs on them!
I thought the same. 1/8th of joist was max you can remove? That’s not a 12” joist??
@@plumberparts This is what worries me the most. I've got to run a 40mm pipe through 4 joists. Although it's within the tolerance of hole size, I'll need to maintain a fall towards the stack. I told the customer it will be fine, but I'm crapping myself a bit now after already finding that very same reference diagram you flashed up mid-video.
I feel I want to keep them all centered (and will have to piece together with couplings as you did), but really need that fall, and don't want to create bounce to the floor I need to tile!
That's why I came on here, then I saw you do exactly what I was worried about doing... But I'm not sure if it's made me feel better about it or not! 😬
That waste pipe should have been dropped just under the joists and run along.After all boarded would be a little box - so no compromising regs and good enough of a look for a utility room.
@@eugeneeugene8252 I would never do this, it looks horrendous. There's a reason we build houses with more than one joist 😅
Thanks
Good vid James just wanted to know how you worked out were to drill hole through rafters for waste pipe thanks
Hi Neil, it had to be there!
what waste do you normally use on shower tray installs....great video
The one featured in the video....they're really common!
Thanks for the video, I'm installing a bathroom myself but I don't see where the "vent" fits into this system? Is the soil stack the only vent? When is a separate vent for each P bend necessary?
Hi james, what is your thoughts on fitting shower trays with upstands?, Are they better in providing a water tight seal or not?. Thanks Steve
really hoping the rest of these bathroom fit videos are up before 12th june haha...first attempt at a refit/rejig aaaaggghhhhh.
Ha! I'll try!
Hi, Can you advise how to replace a shower tray waste in situ in a ground floor flat with a concrete floor? Particularly if it was siliconed in by the installer.
James Ive got this issue with loft on-suite. Due to confined space you get with lofts the joist are 150mm with a 2 metre span. I need to go through 3 joists and a trimmer at 16" centres to reach the stack. The shower tray is low to the floor with a Wirquin slim extra flat low profile trap. I am trying achieve a fall but with building regs 1 1/2 (40mm) waste is exceding the max a 37.5mm. Can I use 32mm instead to get through the joist and then go up to 40mm to connect to the stack. Also reinforce around holes.
Steve the spark.
very Good equip dB 2
Hi anyone know what the name is of the green boards used to board out the shower and are damp resistant.
Quick question, do you use ct1 for sealing the tray to the tiles too? Instead of a regular silicone sealant? Thanks and great channel! 👍
WR plaster board? No tanking ? No taped seams and fixing points? No flexible bonded tray seal under tiles?
That’s what I thought, isn’t plasterboard a no no nowadays and you have to use backer board for regs.
great vid as always ... what make is tray can you recommend a good make im doing mine shortly
Dunno! Customer bought it!
How do I fit waste on shower concrete floors
Good job you beat the electricians on that job. They would have left wiring everywhere not to mention butchering that joist!!!
Could you record a video when you install the Unvented cylinder.
We will do!
What kind of pipe is th grey pipe? Looks like a crimp type I've seen around in commercial buildings?
Buteline mate....doing a vid on it in a week I think!
what gap would you suggest leaving around the shower tray when tiling the wall?
6mm
Is there levelling adjustment when using ct1 as opposed to cement base ?
I wouldn’t of thought so
I'm so interested I live in Kenya and I'm a plumber here we use ppr pipes
Can i drop a sink wast into a shower wast pipe runing in the same direction.
Could you do one where the shower tray is installed in place of a bath, obviously different issues with connecting the trap and waste I presume, probably necessitating a riser of some sorts? You are more than welcome to come and do mine for me and video the process :-)
I'm laying on concrete floor so I need to make a raised platform. So i better to make concrete base or wood? Taking into account I need space for the pipe.
You can buy trays with sets of adjustable legs to do this
Has anyone ever experienced fitting a shallow shower tray where the water does not disapate very quickly and builds up and floods the room. Is there a certain amount of pipe length and run of that is needed for these trays? I fitted one in Spain which was a total nightmare. The pipework is 1.1/2 diameter that flows into 1/2 inch stump. Your asking of 5 litres of water to be pushed through a small diameter. Any suggestions
Silly question does the tray flow the waste water automatically if it's level, or does one create a slight fall when laying the tray cheers
The tray is moulded with a fall in it. You fit it level
if you were installing wetwall, would you fit this first? or do the wetwall and then the tray?
wet wall first
I thought regs dictate that all joist hole drilling has to be in the dead centre of the joist, with longer waste runs that won't be the case?
Easy when its a new build, much more difficult to repalce an existing one!
Hi, thanks for the great video's pal. About to take on my first bathroom reno and fit a new larger shower. However all pipes run above ground and I'm wondering if you had any advice on riser kit vs wooden frame for the new tray? If using a wooden frame, how would you suggest levelling it? Biscuits? Cement? Magic?
All of the above! Seriously though, what are you laying the tray on mate?
Do you recommend rich tea or digestive? Again in all seriousness though, the floor appears to be standard wooden flooring underneath the current tiles.
Hi, I like your channel subscribed to get more content.I'm looking to install a 1600 x 800 shower tray. Do you recommend any , or are they any I should stay well clear of.
Good real-world plumbing.
No classi seal?
The video gets to the point at 2:20
I've seen some vids were they use a upstand product stuck all around the shower tray touching the wall or a shower tray with upstand built in, do you use these at all, are they any good ?
dalessandrelli I'm VERY surprises he not using an up stand weather it the classic seal or the up stand build into the tray.I wouldn't put a tray in with out an upstand .its total peace of mind to be leak free around the edge. 95% of the time that's where the tray will leak with out an up stand especially up stairs on stud work walls
Wait for the video on sealing.....you'll love it!
Ok this video is about how to install a shower siphon instead of the tray... i would wanted to see what material can i use to fix the tray on the ground
I don't get the drop measurement? Is the first joist down 5mm then the second is down 10 mm then the 3rd joist down 15mm or is it just simply each joist is dropped down 5 mm with respect to the first?