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This was the only main Halo game I did not play on launch. I bought it a year after release and it became one of my most played games on the Xbox One. It gave me some of my favorite multiplayer and custom games experiences for any game, Halo games included. And sadly it does not get the credit it deserves because of the broken story that came with it.
The campaign is utterly awful, it's amazing how it's treated as throwaway trash thanks to its horrible direction and writing. It's so unlike the Bungie campaigns which people find endlessly replayable. But that multiplayer does look like a lot of fun, a part of me would love to see the full game added to MCC on PC at some point but I'm doubtful it will happen.
The campaign was a huge reason I didn't get the game. I also think you're forgetting that the game straight up didn't launch with forge or theatre, so for someone who h5 was the sole reason for getting an Xbox One, it was an actual deal breaker. MCC being a broken mess at the time absolutely didn't help matters either.
the campaign was awful but the mp was one of the best mp's out there and still is, 4v4 competitive vise that is, high skill gap and skill ceiling, in depth movement, every gun is useful and balanced, the magnum was one of the best magnums, you could outgun smgs and ars in close quarters with it if you could aim and strafe well, sprint was perfectly balanced, individual and team skill matter a lot, you couldn't just rely on your team, you had to be able to pull your own weight, over all h5's mp was the best mp, at least for me. the only argument you could make against it is that it was too competitive, which is true, that game was ruthless if you weren't on your A game, slight missteps would usually screw you and your entire team over, so it's understandable that the casual scene didn't like it as much, but the comp scene loved it to death
The plot DID get rewritten several times during development. 343 changed presidents and changed head developers 3 times and they had conflicting ideas. I fervently believe halo 5 had the opportunity to be the best in the series if it wasn't interrupted.
A good video covering this and coming up with what could have been the original plot is "The Great Deception That Was Halo 5" by Shayne. The theory is towards the end. It's sad because it actually sounded like it could have been good.
I think you can stream it to an android device with game pass ultimate and play it there with a controller, i was planning on doing this since i never played it either and i was curious about how infinite's campaign compares to 5's
Honestly just watch a synopsis man, you ain’t missing much at all, it’s not the worst game ever, but it’s painfully average with cool story ideas that are executed poorly.
343 Forgot what Spartans are in relation to everything going on in the world, they weren't a bunch of Doom Guy's like this game tries to push, they were the best humanity had, they were barely enough to scrape by, they were what humanity needed to have a slight chance against the initial invasion of the Covenant and even then they needed to steal Covenant technology to adapt the overshield against plasma burn because Covenant weapons burned through Mjolnir. Now compare the kind of vibe 5's intro and cutscenes try to push and Deliver Hope from Reach in which they scrape by a losing battle, losing a squad member and having one left disabled. It's a similar deal to Warhammer. Ultra Marines aren't badasses because they annihilate everything, they're captivating badasses because they are treated as a last hope, best chance that only just manage to stand against an unstoppable force. Spartans have always had that same vibe to me and both were killed in droves to barely pull back temporary victories that gave humanity time to find a way to win or survive.
FUCK YEAH, this guy gets it. 343 went WAY too hard with the “we want to make MP and Co-Op canon, your Spartan is canon.” It was a good idea but horribly implemented and it boiled the Spartan concept down to “ODSTs but better”.
I agree. Tbh, to me the story of Halo ended in Halo 3. None of the books matter, none of these sequels matter. I prefer it simple and contained. Not all this extra epilogue filler crap
I am a firm fan of Halo's narrative first (I still love the book Fall Of Reach & hate what a lazy job that movie did adapting it) and your point is very accurate and something Halo 5 missed completely; sending the SPARTANS II's into the field did not mean the UNSC started winning the war against the Covenant, their efforts just meant the UNSC was losing slower. Meanwhile the goal of the SPARTAN III program was to 'trade lives for time', they existed to perform suicide missions to slow the Covenant down while the UNSC looked for a way to save itself. Spartans are exceptionally well trained, determined, had the best equipment available and were pushed first to the peak of human fitness and then beyond it, but they still had limits. Noble 6 was essentially the Spartan III version of Master Chief (right down to being the only other holder of Hyper-Lethal classification); highly skilled, dutiful, unyielding & a great soldier, but when Noble 6 was left facing a literal army of Covenant forces; Noble 6 DIED. They took a lot of Covenant with them, but they still died because they were a great soldier, not a superhero or a warrior god like Halo 5's opening treats Spartans as.
They were also creations of 343 and follow their vision of spartans not the orignal vision Bungie created. And you're not entirely wrong spartans are capable of incredible feats of strength and agility but they were exclusively raised and trained to be professional soldiers, that's literally all they know. The main issue that lies in 343's vision of spartans for Halo 5 is that something like the intro makes no sense and undermines things like Deliver Hope, the spartan defence at castle base and Noble's losses; especially 6's final stand. To add perspective keep this in mind, the overwhelming majority of spartans were lost defending harvest, some outer colonies and Reach just to give humanity time and delay the covenants discovery of Earth, they died just so humanity could even survive to height of the war not even to win it. I like the intro, it's cool and has one of my favourite pieces of music but at the end of the day it takes away from what Spartans are in relation to the universe , takes me out of the story and makes me fully aware of the plot armour present.
Halo 5’s multiplayer was fucking based, it had the most in depth forge in the series as well as introducing the custom games browser which added so much variety to multiplayer when before you’d need to get a bunch of people you know together to play customs which wasn’t always feasible. You could play dozens of different things that were all unique in one sitting. It’s honestly why I’m not too upset about the delay of forge in infinite, because improving Halo 5’s forge is totally gonna be worth the wait
Even as someone who loved the early Halo books, I hate how Guardians just expected everyone to know who the hell Blue Team were. If I'm playing a game, I expect important plot details and characters to actually be explained, either in prior games or in the current one. It's just lazy, and feels like a blatant cash grab. And as someone who hadn't followed the books past Ghosts of Onyx, you better believe I had no idea who the hell Osiris Team or what the Elite civil war were.
Not to mention the fact that they killed The Didact in a damn comic book. One problem that 343 has storytelling wise that has persisted into infinite is that it feels like you could fit a whole other game between their games. So much happens between halo 4 and 5, then 5 and infinite, and barely any of it is explained outside of audio logs
@@Billonator117 yeah halo escalation comics were their worst mistake, they had all these important plot points being resolved off-camera in a comic very few people bought and read.
I always thought that Halo 5 felt great. The gunplay, movement, TTK, were all great. I think one thing people forget though: it’s extremely inaccessible. I remember being at a friends house and downloading this. She didn’t play FPS games, and H5 was a bit too much for her, with all of the “advanced movement”. We played ODST instead, because she was able to grasp that instantly. I think that’s one reason that Halo 5 is not as big as previous titles. It’s not a game someone can just pick up and play. Also the focus on competitive really hindered it. Esports ruins some games, or at least can take away from what we love about those games. Also also, I love the TimeSplitters music in the background!
Similar thing to Halo 2, the use of button combos and other tricks makes it incredibly hard for people to jump into. So it's usually full of people who played it back in its prime and are REALLY good at it or people who played tons of later games and had an easier time adjusting to it. That's okay for MCC though because there's a flavour of Halo multiplayer for everyone, still impressed they kept 4's multiplayer considering how hard that dropped in population for very good reasons but some people like it I guess.
A post Covenant Civil war Spinoff could technically still feature a spartan. The Banished did occasionally recruit humans (usually criminals). So if they wanted, they could make a Banished vs Storm spinoff, which I would love to see honestly. That would even be a good excuse to feature a lot of the UNSC arsenal since the Banished use UNSC weapons a lot. Maybe they could have the player be someone trapped in an ONI flood research facility for knowing too much and the Banished come in and break the inmates out offering them spartan augmentations if they join the banished or something like that.
Personally I think i good plot in simple terms would be for example: ok yeah civil war blah blah, Lord Hood knowing the Arbiter sends a Spartan 3 to go help the elites go do pew pew bang bang yay win, Now i think it could be intersting IF possibly this Spartan 3 was a survivor of Reach, this would give a Hate but still Ally relationship between the Elites and Spartan, and for such spartan to Learn and adjust to these new elite allies and maybe not hate them as much for destroying his friends and all of that. So, Lord Hood sends Spartan 3 (survived reach and hates any covie species) to go be allies with the same species that destroyed his "home" and fellow spartan buddies. This spartan over time of the campaign learns to start to be friends with the elites and possibly could grow a connection with the arbiter and learn the "truth" (see what i did there) behind the covenant and such and forgive them.
Little cringe for a halo story imo. Would be better just to sell it at a lower price using the same engine and assets to save money and dedicate to the covenant, like they did with ODST
I liked halo 5, I see its problems but still saw the good and injoyed my experience. And have fond memories playing it on the weekends with my brother and 2 Xboxes.
Half way through Halo 5's Campaign development, after they finished making Locks campaign missions that involved no master chief, they forgot master chief and had to SCRAP together chief's levels and re-write the story. In short, the development had forgotten chief and had a entirely new story to halo 5, but had to read books, comics, listen to podcasts, a movie or two and a tv short that didn't come around. Which also leads into the advertisements never making sense.
How in the hell could someone forget about Chief in a mainline Halo game? Jesus Christ no wonder the campaign is a complete shambles, whoever was in charge of the narrative did an utterly piss poor job of grasping even the most basic fundamentals of writing.
@@InfernalMonsoon They forgot the chief even though they made anniversaries CE and Halo 2, Master Chief Collection and Halo 4. There was no excuse for them forgetting master chief, but somehow they did. But you wish to know more there is more to this story with Factfiend it’s a bit of an old video though.
I think "forgot" isn't quite the right word - reading about Halo infinite's troubled development where Microsoft intervened and had 343 cut 2/3 of the content from that game. When their execs stick their nose into development it's almost certain death for a project - see also the near death of platinum games studio over the corporate meddling on scalebound.
@@Sunsetofcanterlot that's not what happened at all. What really happened was a year before 5 was released the story was forced by MS to be rewriting entirely because at the time MS was pushing Cortana as a personal AI and wanted her back in the games to help advertise there windows 10 AI. There is loads of leaked screenshots and images you can find online about it, originally yhe didact was going to return disfigured and crippled and the scanning system Locke uses was going to be used more in the story as a sort of detective devices to help find clues as to where chief was also originally Thorne from H4 spartan ops would have been a member of fireteam Orsiris instead of Buck but that was scrapped too. Halo 5's story is basically just a quickly together rewirte and rework of what that originally wanted to do which is a shame because the story had alot of potential before the rewrites. So yeah they didn't forget about Chief, he was always a big part of 5's story it was just cut down because of the rewrites to the story.
Controversial thought here, I actually didn't hate Halo 5. I thought the visuals were spectacular for the time, I didn't love the art style in all cases, but it did not bother me as much. I personally enjoyed the way the AI worked. The Cortana bits were indeed quite good and interesting, and the multiplayer had some salvageable modes and options. All in all I think Halo 5 guardians is a very average game, not something terrible that deserves to be shunned or shamed. I will be honest about my experience with Halo 5 though, I only play the multiplayer for about 30 to 40 hours (about 2 weeks of free time), and I did play the campaign twice once by myself and once co-op. I didn't stick around much, and I didn't jump into it until mid 2017. I have no idea how things were before I played it or at release, and I have no idea what happened after mid 2017 with the game. I would love to learn more from people who played the game for many years considerably.
What killed halo 5 for me was the misleading marketing campaign, a lack luster single player. I only played through it once and never really touched it again. The fact they removed split creen and local coop was also a huge factor.
Dude thank you for shedding light on my problem with aiming in Halo infinite. I basically skipped Halo 5 almost entirely despite owning it, so I couldn't figure out why aiming with a controller felt so off compared to other Halo games and other shooters in general.
Great video my dude, played through the game again prior to Infinite's release and agree with pretty much everything you said. Also, did I hear some Timesplitters music? .... nice.
After completing Infinite and played through most of the MCC including Reach/ODST), I decided to buy H5 for cheap on the Xbox store and give it a spin for the first time. Half way through the campaign now. Visuals are absolutely stunning for a game released in 2015. Gorgeous locations and interesting set pieces, particularly the mining colony of Meridian, the forerunner world of Genesis, and Sanghelios itself. Balanced and interesting set of enemies which force you to adopt different tactics dependant on whether or not you are in battle against the Covenant Remnant or the Prometheans. Character and weapon design is good, although the Elites are a bit chunky. The plot is what lets the game down imo. Warden Eternal is a shit antagonist with no depth of character (compare to Atriox/Esharum for example in Infinite) and Master Chief's paltry two missions so far feel like cameos.
I thought the MP had good ideas I liked the shoulder charge as it added an extra layer to Halo melee which hasn't changed since halo 3 I liked how Smart scope looked like using to the iron sights of the Magnum was cool and I wish they used that sorta look for infinite's version of the Magnum but that gun just looks and sounds weak. Overall the game was interesting weird and different like how Halo 4 was but this was the biggest departure from normal Halo the series has ever gotten.
I think that was part of the point. The deagle is to the more classic halo magnums, as the glock is to the halo infinite sidekick. Simple, low calibre back up weapon, with a higher fire rate. Also yup. As if the artstyle change in 4, in parts that made no sense like forward unto dawn's rear half wasn't done for seemingly no reason.
Yeah I prefer halo 5's multi over infinite as well, hope it comes to pc one day, the main thing about those spartan abilities is that people with elite controllers can have big advantage, so if it's on pc then it would be more of a leveling field for every mkb players
i hope infinite adds like a halo 5 objective and slayer. just make everyone spawn with BR, side kick and thrusters. it wouldnt be the same but it would make me happy.
One of my absolute favorite things about this game is all the weapon variants. It really kept the game fresh and really fun to play especially in the mode fiesta.
One change I like in the artsyle was the Jackals, I just think they look badass in 4 and 5, I hoped they would have had both subspecies in Infinite like keep the 4 and 5 ones as the front line soliders with the shields and the old design or Infinite's new design as the snipers, I'm disappointed the only race they do this with is the grunts ad you 4 and 5 grunts in Infinite with the original trilogy designs would have been cool to multiple subspecies in Infinite but we got we got and love the designs in Infinite anyway.
As much as an improvement as Halo Infinite is, it still suffers from the same issues that Halo 4/5 suffer from. In that so much cool and interesting shit happens either off screen or in a cutscene.
You know I clicked on this video like "Was Halo 5 as bad as I remember?" and then as soon as you talked about the story I quickly remembered why I put this so far out of my mind and forgot everything. It's just as bad as I remembered. This isn't a bad game BUT *It is the worst Halo game.*
Halo 5 and Fallout 4 were the last games I ever pre ordered. I still remember the disappointment I felt for both games. I sold Fallout the day after release lol
The reason why Warzone was so astronomically bad was because the Req packs DIDN'T just have cosmetics, they had actual weapons/vehicles. If you didn't pay a cent and just unlocked them naturally, you could get a powerful weapon or vehicle once or twice a game. But you could tell when an opponent or teammate had spent hundreds of dollars on Req packs because they always had a Scorpion or Mantis or a Rocket Launcher as soon as they could spawn them in. It was very pay2win and made me put down the game for a while until some of my friends got into all the custom map stuff, which was very fun and sucked me back in. But you still have to play Warzone to get most of the cosmetics, which is why you shouldn't blame people for thinking it ruined the game. Or least the progression that is.
That's literally not true. You get req packs for playing any multiplayer mode. I had an absolute ton of req packs for doing nothing but playing slayer, swat, infection, action sack, etc. I had a ton of cosmetics and weapon variants yet I never played warzone and never spent a cent. Warzone is bad not because of req variants, it's bad because it's a massive chaotic mess. It also literally doesn't affect the actual halo MP game modes so not playing Halo 5 because of warzone alone is really silly.
Lost track of the times I've beaten Halo CE, 2, 3, Reach and ODST. I've beaten Halo 4 maybe 3 or 4 times. Guardians I've beaten once when it first came out..... terrible campaign. Online was okay but my friend was obsessed with it. 0/2 for 343 Halo games imo. I've heard good things about infinite but I'm hesitant about getting it due to how bad 4 and Guardians were.
Just finished the campaign. Problem with H5 is that it doesnt feel like part of the mainline Halo series. It very much feels set in the Halo universe, but since the main series is essentially the story of the Master Chief, I actually feel the campaign would have been better received if it were released as a spin-off (I.e Halo: Guardians instead of Halo 5:Guardians) with Jameson Locke as the playable protagonist and John 117 making a few cameos. Just that subtle tweak of expectations I feel would make alot of difference.
I played this game for 5 years straight. And have only played the campaign once. I really didn’t enjoy playing the campaign at all. I did manage to achieve champion rank twice in the multiplayer and I loved that we got free content.
In defense of the music, all the MP stingers and little loops are really nice. That nice tone of the firefight success outro as the pelicans head out hits well.
Skipjack647 Yea, hard disagree with him on the music. There are some wonderful tracks on there like Scavengers, Light is Green, Meridian Crossing, Blue Team, Kamchatka... ....I also don't mind the opening scene...but yes, it was really stupid how they put them there without properly introducing them
gameplay had great concepts but they needed fleshing out, 343 could definitely make a great halo game but it always falls apart. Story had tons of potential in 4 and 5 but yet again things fall apart when it comes to making things make sense or feel like were progressing properly (even infinite suffers the same problem). Halo 5s only redeeming factor was the concepts they had and forge and most of the gameplay. 343 halo games hurt me a lot, not because its bad but because the ideas were really good but we never got something polished enough to make me come back.
"you need that spartan on the box to sell" Sir, the ODST's would like a word also, 2:15 totally not me trying to figure out why my youtube isnt displaying in full screen when id just set it to full screen
Fair enough, I do feel like 343 are relying too much on the big green guy to sell their games though and I really hope they start looking at other characters in the universe despite the shortcomings of their halo 5 attempt at it
The thing I hate the most about Halo 5 is (aside from the poor execution of cool story ideas and overall feel of the gameplay) is the damn Spartan helmet lines on the screen with no option to turn it off, made me feel motion sick (which is something that I never really deal with in games) and just claustrophobic. I hate that so much, with all my heart. Like sure some people might feel more immersed I guess? But I know I speak for the majority when I say it’s awful and I should be able to turn it off if I want too (or just not have it there in the first place). Why would I want less visibility, it just feels like I’m trapped in a helmet? Even just watching the gameplay with it on makes me feel motion sick. Edit: Also it’s never a good sign when you finish a game you’ve been looking forward too and when the credits roll you audibly say “that’s it?” and start laughing. Man Halo 5 could’ve been so cool, but it just wasn’t, but hey at least they’ve completely redeemed themselves with Infinite in my eyes.
A few months ago my friends and I played this since they got it on Gamepass - the campaign (story aside) plays well early on but sucks ass later (little ammo reserves, terrible enemy placement). They didn't like MP, and I don't care for the fancy thruster moves but action sack is still pretty fun.
The deceiving trailers reminds of the intro cutscene of Halo 4. Where the game sets up this potential plot about the mental state of spartans, wether they are viable individual fit for protecting humanity.. but then the game is just basic generic Halo plot with some very light nod to that idea, was disapointing af.
I’ll never forget finishing halo 5 story on legendary and being so disappointed. I figured I’d hop onto multiplayer and do a few games before never touching it again. I played halo 5 multiplayer religiously for years. It is easily one of the best halo multiplayer experiences to date. Well I’m enjoying halo infinite the strafe bull shit is really frustrating
I was expecting Halo 5 to be in the covenant civil war, with the UNSC going on the offensive, fighting to liberate covenant controlled planets and to control forerunner facilities, both against the covenant remnants and banish alike, sometimes with the banish as tactical allies, since they didn't really have any affiliation. Also, everything look like it was leading up to the return of the human civil war against UNSC, which what the promo video looks like, either John or Locke went AOL, fighting the UNSC, which would be interesting. Maybe the human flood war, now with the banish and ex- allies, which was also interesting, maybe all of those, but what we got? Cortana ressurection as the baddy... Dude...
I mean obviously the banished wouldn’t be in Halo 5 since their concept hadn’t been finalised and released until 2 years after the game came out. But the rest of your idea sounds infinitely more interesting than what we got
I'm a diehard Halo fan but I barely played Halo 5 because I don't own an Xbox One myself and all of what I saw from it came from playing it at a friend's house and watching people play it. I agree that the MP was really good from what I saw and I played. The campaign, on the other hand, was hot garbage. It was hard to follow, it took Halo 4's emotional goodbye with Cortana and spat on it, and it just wasn't enjoyable overall. I'm someone that plays the campaign first and that's what hooks me into the game. After beating it at my friend's house, I told my friend that I just wanted to play something else for the first time ever. He did manage to convince me to try out the multiplayer with him and that was a much better experience.
As much as I love Blue Team, they should have a had a bit of intro done at some point. Especially since they play such a massive role in Chiefs backstory at the very least
I’d say Halo 5 multiplayer at launch is still better than Infinite’s launch. People always failed to acknowledge the multiplayer, not to mention the extreme amounts of content and community interactions we got over the months to come.
Funnily enough you can see a crashed guardian in the skybox of halo infintie. I wish we knew how it was destroyed or is it just inactive will we learn more soon.
I get that the campaign is a very integral part of the Halo games but its such a shame that H5 was a little overlooked for that reason. Despite that shortcoming, the arena multiplayer for H5 is fantastic. The forge was hands down the best in the entire series and because of the forge, the custom games players made for others to play were amazing. Most people will play the campaigns for these games once…maybe twice, but the one thing that always keeps all the Halos going way beyond their releases is the multiplayer, and H5 kept it going for almost 7 years. The game definitely deserved more love.
God I hate how dirty they did Blue team seriously imagine being a huge fan of the books and seeing Blue team finally!! After years AND I MEAN SERIES INCEPTION LONG WAIT TO ONLY SEE THIS SHIT WRITING 🤬
God, this game is such a headache campaign wise. It's like they had a bazillion ideas and tried to cram it into a Call of Duty campaign and doesn't fucking _work._
I'm surprised you got through this whole video and didn't mention the FOV at all, that's one of the things that you're known for, and this is one of most egregious examples of low FOV that I've seen.
Halo 5 is a game I have strong feelings about, when it comes to story its a disaster in gameplay and narrative. But in multiplayer with the right mindset it's great. I've been giving it more of a shot casually after Infinite due to the lack of content for the game and been having a great time. It's not my favorite Halo game for multiplayer but it's still very good. If the artstyle and customization was much better it'd be probably my favorite or right next to my favorite halo entry. Warzone was defiantly the weakest aspect of multiplayer in my opinion and I think if less people focused on it and focused on the core modes and eventual casual modes people would be more kind to it. Warzone to me doesn't feel like Halo, it feels really tedious to play and games can really drag. I think most of my bad impressions and same for most others came from the mode as when I first played Halo 5, I played mostly warzone as it was the new big mode and it really soured the game for me. With how much hate warzone and especially req packs got, if both didn't exist I think more would've appreciated the multiplayer gameplay more. I'm still currently a console gamer but in the future I really hope for a PC port. The game I feel is a tad bit held back on console when it comes to FOV and aiming due to how the aiming works. If I could play Halo 5 with 90-110 fov with a mouse and keyboard I'd adore it as it fits the pace of Halo 5 so much more. Also I'm a bit upset despite never being a real player of Halo 5 343 stopped updating the game. I'm glad they fixed and update the MCC now but they don't even support their flagship title. I understand no more major updates but not even just small content drops is a really major bummer.
The soundtrack is a victim of Halo 5's story lack of focus. The composer is great, Locke's theme tells me more about him than the game itself. Point is, developers simply couldn't give proper informations, everything was still vague and he had to work around this confusing emptiness, I suppose.
Hadn’t played halo 2 since around 18 yrs or so. Played halo 5 as my 3rd halo game in 2020 and I’m hooked even though I did not like it really the first 2 weeks and since I started joining my brothers squad and they knew how to decently play so it was frustrating the first months but now I can’t get enough.
The only thing I really enjoy about Halo 5 is the firefight. Sometimes it's fun, other times it's a struggle. Id like to see the same sort of style firefight in Infinte, only thorn warzone firefight had was the mission times and objectives. I'd just prefer a massive horde of The Banished and Shiela with the marines beside myself and 11 other players for Halo Infinite, here's hoping. 🤞
For all its faults it still had weapons like SAW, Covenant Carbine, LightRifle... I'd trade those new electric weapons for the Promethean ones any day.
The Halo 5 magnum has spoiled me so much that I want it back in Infinite instead of the sidekick, it felt so good to use and i literally never used my assault rifle because it was so satisfying to get headshots with
Yes, the aiming thing! It's been driving me nuts for years but I've never seen anyone else talk about it. After having the same issues in Infinite as 5 I was beginning to think it was just me going crazy, but no, you have the same issues. Thank you!
11:43 I think that would be fucking cool to have a short story within the covenant civil war where you play as an elite from the swords of sanghelios or even play as the arbiter him self it could be similar to the arbiter missions in Halo 2 but the entire game is the arbiter and it could be a short campaign like odst and you could even have a call back to Halo 2 with the purple hud, small shield bar above the radar and an active camo that runs out over time that would be an interesting game concept but it would have to be executed properly
Dude, I really appreciated your take on the multiplayer. It was very concise, and it was just really refreshing to hear a take on it that wasn’t… well, all of the arguments that you mentioned about (it was just COD in space, it killed Halo, it turned the game into a dumb twitch-shooter, etc.)
I ended up replaying the campaign before Halo: Infinite. I can tell this game's development was a disaster. They put more effort into the marketing than they did the game itself.
Yeah the high production value trailers showing Locke pointing a gun at injured chief then chief pointing a gun at injured locke even though that never happens in game 💀
@@Gameprojordan This game might as well be the TASM2 of Halo. Studio interference that hires in one too many chefs in 343's kitchen just to whip up a recipe for disaster. As well as false advertisement to take people's money. Amen.
The Halo 5 Multiplayer is amazing honestly some of the best multiplayer I ever played the skill gap was very apparent and it was good pvp games unfortunately the story wasn’t good to save it though
I think a game about the covenant Civil War would be incredible. They really should've taken the mission to help the arbiter and made that the entire game. The whole game is Chief helping the arbiter win the Civil War. They could've taken it a step further by having Atriox as like a fellow rebellion leader with the arbiter, but they don't see eye to eye and the game ends with Atriox splitting from the arbiter to start the banished, leading until HW2 and then infinite. If they really wanted to keep the cortana thing going, they could've made the legendary ending of 5 a scene of her recollection herself at the domain (however that would look), and then finding information about zeta halo. Infinite's campaign would've needed changes, but I personally think it could've led to some improvements in the story.
To be honest -NPC squadmates & Warzone were pretty much cool and interesting as concepts (but I can agree that the NPCs could've been smarter) -I see no problem with spartan abilities (besides, it makes sense in-universe for spartan IVs to have thrusters in their armor) -prometheans could be reworked to be more fun and balanced to fight (soldiers and weakpoints for knights were a good start + missed opportunity for Halo Infinite) -Forge was amazing -the only issue with customization IMO is not being able to equip armor pieces separately from each other (was sad that my halo 4 armor set is pretty much impossible to recreate in halo 5 because of it) but everything else is fine (ugly helmets can be arranged), idk what's with the colors so feel free to discuss it -REQ variants and attachments were also a pretty interesting concept (my only complaint is that you can't equip for example a threat marker with a muzzle silencer and an extended mag) -Warden could've had a weakpoint (I think there is already one on his back, but I'm not sure if it's actually a weakpoint tho) -Why can't we ping weapons and enemies in multiplayer? (like how we can in campaign) -This game had enough stuff needed for machinimas (this tbh is where I'd like Halo Infinite's removal of red vs blue to be, but only as an option and not forced) That's all I can say for now, but might add more later (but I do agree that Chief could've had more missions)
I've recently just finished the entire Halo collection (including Infinite) except for Halo 5 since.. it's the only Halo game that is not available on PC. I guess you could say we PC players are "lucky" we never get to experience it. lol
I have loved halo since I was a wee lad but holy shit I couldn't even finish halo 5. Legendary firefight and the mode where you yeet into a tiny arena with SMGs were highlights
I pre-ordered the Limited Edition and attended the midnight launch event (which also ended up being my first LAN). Needless to say, I was pretty disappointed with the launch. I'm just thankful that the game is in a much better state now. Makes me want to get a used Xbox One just to play Halo 5 again.
Halo 5 made sense to fans like myself who read all the books but you’re right the everyday fan would be lost also lock was just meh to me I didn’t hate or love him I just honesty didn’t care for his part in the lore like I did with like Spartans like Kat and carter which were amazing written in reach
I’m glad you’re a bit objective when it comes to your review. I remember people complaint like crazy about Halo 5 to the point where it seemed suspicious. Like, the comments were just recycled disses even about the multiplayer. It got to the point to where I just kind of rolled my eyes whenever someone slighted Halo 5 just to be cool or trendy.
makes me feel so much better that Infinint had some boss battles every time i ran into one i found my self saying” FUCK YEA” 😂. The game allowed the gameplay to help tell the story
@@Albiooo1995 I think they should have a playlist for both comp and quick play that has the “advanced” movement from halo 5 and a magnum and lowerish ttk and a normal one like the halo 3 style
Infinites lack of weapon variety definitely doesnt help, also weapon balance and taking features and adding them elsewhere caused a problematic power shift.
Same here, i spent a ton of hours into the mp on halo 5 , the classic playlist as well as other events along with the arena style gametype was so much fun . it's probably a tie for me along with Halo custom edition. After replaying MP for the other halo games on mcc i realized they were still fun, but a lot of the fond memories from the past were based on nostalgia.
@@VEN0M415 infinite is meant to have a long life cycle, im sure they'll be new weapons and balance changes, they added the reach grenade launcher, sentinel beam and the wasp for halo 5 content
Someone recently compared the new Halo games to the new Star Wars trilogy. Lots of really great ideas, coupled with enough nostalgia, but completely botched execution. And honestly, even tho I personally like 4, I completely agree with that statement.
@@Serocco I think 4 has a stronger narrative, but it's kind of like the first RE film. You forgive it because it's earnest (343's first game). But Infinite is a far better game in terms of depth and mechanics/gameplay differentiation. It's a better game overall because of it.
@@edgelordleon5859 4 has a very strong emotional core with Chief and Cortana's last true game together. The writer based it off his relationship with his mother when she was dying of dementia. To this day I see Halo 5 as almost non canon cuz of that.
This was the first multiplayer halo game I really played alot, even though I've played every single game halo multiplayer and campaign, I still enjoy halo 5 mp even though it doesnt play like a halo game. Fuck the campaign tho.
A throwback to halo reach. There's no other reason to reuse such an old variant of the AR after the multiple new variants released during and after covenant war since the events of reach. Between the events of reach and infinite there were atleast 5 new versions of the AR released.
@@Gameprojordan The lore reason is they had to equip the Infinity's marine detachment with old stuff during Cortana's subjugation, hence the older MA40 and the VK78 Commando is also supposed to be obsolete.
I always thought it was because the Reach model is skinnier/slimmer, which fits the overall viewmodel positioning of non-power weapons in Infinite, which is tucked down and to the side (as opposed to being up in your face like 5)
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Jarek I got a game for you, Breakdown it's weird I don't know how to explain it but it's story is pretty cool. The gameplay is odd and it's an fps.
This was the only main Halo game I did not play on launch. I bought it a year after release and it became one of my most played games on the Xbox One. It gave me some of my favorite multiplayer and custom games experiences for any game, Halo games included. And sadly it does not get the credit it deserves because of the broken story that came with it.
I've played Halo CE through Halo Infinite back to back and that way this game didn't stand out as a bad single player experience 🤷♂️
The campaign is utterly awful, it's amazing how it's treated as throwaway trash thanks to its horrible direction and writing. It's so unlike the Bungie campaigns which people find endlessly replayable. But that multiplayer does look like a lot of fun, a part of me would love to see the full game added to MCC on PC at some point but I'm doubtful it will happen.
@@InfernalMonsoon bungie is not responsible for halo 5 or 4.
They sold the company to microsoft.
I've only touched this game one time on a friend's Xbox put it down after 5 minutes of playing campaign multiplayer looked kinda fun tho
The campaign was a huge reason I didn't get the game. I also think you're forgetting that the game straight up didn't launch with forge or theatre, so for someone who h5 was the sole reason for getting an Xbox One, it was an actual deal breaker. MCC being a broken mess at the time absolutely didn't help matters either.
the campaign was awful but the mp was one of the best mp's out there and still is, 4v4 competitive vise that is, high skill gap and skill ceiling, in depth movement, every gun is useful and balanced, the magnum was one of the best magnums, you could outgun smgs and ars in close quarters with it if you could aim and strafe well, sprint was perfectly balanced, individual and team skill matter a lot, you couldn't just rely on your team, you had to be able to pull your own weight, over all h5's mp was the best mp, at least for me. the only argument you could make against it is that it was too competitive, which is true, that game was ruthless if you weren't on your A game, slight missteps would usually screw you and your entire team over, so it's understandable that the casual scene didn't like it as much, but the comp scene loved it to death
The plot DID get rewritten several times during development. 343 changed presidents and changed head developers 3 times and they had conflicting ideas. I fervently believe halo 5 had the opportunity to be the best in the series if it wasn't interrupted.
Yup some of the old concept art is really cool. What could have been….
Perfect, you have 343 likes as of the time I'm replying to you.
A good video covering this and coming up with what could have been the original plot is "The Great Deception That Was Halo 5" by Shayne. The theory is towards the end.
It's sad because it actually sounded like it could have been good.
I would like to play this game to complete all Halos, but unfortunately it is not on PC and it is probably never going to be.
I believe 343 said “never say never” about it
It would be really cool if they just added the campaign on mcc, I really don't think that the campaign is that big of an download
I think you can stream it to an android device with game pass ultimate and play it there with a controller, i was planning on doing this since i never played it either and i was curious about how infinite's campaign compares to 5's
Honestly just watch a synopsis man, you ain’t missing much at all, it’s not the worst game ever, but it’s painfully average with cool story ideas that are executed poorly.
you can play it on xcloud, it's laggy but at least you can finish it
We need a "Snyder Cut" of Halo 5: Guardians; a complete remake that ties to Infinite
tbh it wont happen but i would love it if they make the character likeable nd halo 5 enemies more enjoyable to fight
Infinite already ties to Halo 5. But I get it, a redo to try and make its bullshit story and levels work. Maybe more Blue Team missions, for one.
Wish we got the original Halo 5 before Brian Reed stepped in, things such as the Composed Didact would have been awesome to see.
@@Xenomnipotent ah yes, the composed Didact looked sick.
343 Forgot what Spartans are in relation to everything going on in the world, they weren't a bunch of Doom Guy's like this game tries to push, they were the best humanity had, they were barely enough to scrape by, they were what humanity needed to have a slight chance against the initial invasion of the Covenant and even then they needed to steal Covenant technology to adapt the overshield against plasma burn because Covenant weapons burned through Mjolnir.
Now compare the kind of vibe 5's intro and cutscenes try to push and Deliver Hope from Reach in which they scrape by a losing battle, losing a squad member and having one left disabled.
It's a similar deal to Warhammer. Ultra Marines aren't badasses because they annihilate everything, they're captivating badasses because they are treated as a last hope, best chance that only just manage to stand against an unstoppable force. Spartans have always had that same vibe to me and both were killed in droves to barely pull back temporary victories that gave humanity time to find a way to win or survive.
FUCK YEAH, this guy gets it. 343 went WAY too hard with the “we want to make MP and Co-Op canon, your Spartan is canon.” It was a good idea but horribly implemented and it boiled the Spartan concept down to “ODSTs but better”.
I agree. Tbh, to me the story of Halo ended in Halo 3. None of the books matter, none of these sequels matter. I prefer it simple and contained. Not all this extra epilogue filler crap
I am a firm fan of Halo's narrative first (I still love the book Fall Of Reach & hate what a lazy job that movie did adapting it) and your point is very accurate and something Halo 5 missed completely; sending the SPARTANS II's into the field did not mean the UNSC started winning the war against the Covenant, their efforts just meant the UNSC was losing slower. Meanwhile the goal of the SPARTAN III program was to 'trade lives for time', they existed to perform suicide missions to slow the Covenant down while the UNSC looked for a way to save itself.
Spartans are exceptionally well trained, determined, had the best equipment available and were pushed first to the peak of human fitness and then beyond it, but they still had limits. Noble 6 was essentially the Spartan III version of Master Chief (right down to being the only other holder of Hyper-Lethal classification); highly skilled, dutiful, unyielding & a great soldier, but when Noble 6 was left facing a literal army of Covenant forces; Noble 6 DIED. They took a lot of Covenant with them, but they still died because they were a great soldier, not a superhero or a warrior god like Halo 5's opening treats Spartans as.
Have you seen Halo Legends or Forward Unto Dawn? Spartans have always been more like Ironman Captain America babies than actual professional soldiers.
They were also creations of 343 and follow their vision of spartans not the orignal vision Bungie created.
And you're not entirely wrong spartans are capable of incredible feats of strength and agility but they were exclusively raised and trained to be professional soldiers, that's literally all they know.
The main issue that lies in 343's vision of spartans for Halo 5 is that something like the intro makes no sense and undermines things like Deliver Hope, the spartan defence at castle base and Noble's losses; especially 6's final stand.
To add perspective keep this in mind, the overwhelming majority of spartans were lost defending harvest, some outer colonies and Reach just to give humanity time and delay the covenants discovery of Earth, they died just so humanity could even survive to height of the war not even to win it.
I like the intro, it's cool and has one of my favourite pieces of music but at the end of the day it takes away from what Spartans are in relation to the universe , takes me out of the story and makes me fully aware of the plot armour present.
Halo 5’s multiplayer was fucking based, it had the most in depth forge in the series as well as introducing the custom games browser which added so much variety to multiplayer when before you’d need to get a bunch of people you know together to play customs which wasn’t always feasible. You could play dozens of different things that were all unique in one sitting.
It’s honestly why I’m not too upset about the delay of forge in infinite, because improving Halo 5’s forge is totally gonna be worth the wait
NGL, I would LOVE a spin-off game set in the Covenant Civil War where the Arbiter is the main character.
Elite Ops when?
Even as someone who loved the early Halo books, I hate how Guardians just expected everyone to know who the hell Blue Team were. If I'm playing a game, I expect important plot details and characters to actually be explained, either in prior games or in the current one. It's just lazy, and feels like a blatant cash grab. And as someone who hadn't followed the books past Ghosts of Onyx, you better believe I had no idea who the hell Osiris Team or what the Elite civil war were.
Not to mention the fact that they killed The Didact in a damn comic book. One problem that 343 has storytelling wise that has persisted into infinite is that it feels like you could fit a whole other game between their games. So much happens between halo 4 and 5, then 5 and infinite, and barely any of it is explained outside of audio logs
Funny how infinite repeats the same thing, except with the banished this time
@@Billonator117 yeah halo escalation comics were their worst mistake, they had all these important plot points being resolved off-camera in a comic very few people bought and read.
I always thought that Halo 5 felt great. The gunplay, movement, TTK, were all great.
I think one thing people forget though: it’s extremely inaccessible. I remember being at a friends house and downloading this. She didn’t play FPS games, and H5 was a bit too much for her, with all of the “advanced movement”. We played ODST instead, because she was able to grasp that instantly.
I think that’s one reason that Halo 5 is not as big as previous titles. It’s not a game someone can just pick up and play.
Also the focus on competitive really hindered it. Esports ruins some games, or at least can take away from what we love about those games.
Also also, I love the TimeSplitters music in the background!
Similar thing to Halo 2, the use of button combos and other tricks makes it incredibly hard for people to jump into. So it's usually full of people who played it back in its prime and are REALLY good at it or people who played tons of later games and had an easier time adjusting to it. That's okay for MCC though because there's a flavour of Halo multiplayer for everyone, still impressed they kept 4's multiplayer considering how hard that dropped in population for very good reasons but some people like it I guess.
A post Covenant Civil war Spinoff could technically still feature a spartan. The Banished did occasionally recruit humans (usually criminals). So if they wanted, they could make a Banished vs Storm spinoff, which I would love to see honestly. That would even be a good excuse to feature a lot of the UNSC arsenal since the Banished use UNSC weapons a lot.
Maybe they could have the player be someone trapped in an ONI flood research facility for knowing too much and the Banished come in and break the inmates out offering them spartan augmentations if they join the banished or something like that.
Yep. With the banished they have a big deck of carts to play now.
Honestly that would be really really dope, I'd love to see what they could do with that
Some armors in Halo 5 hint at knockoff spartans existing
Personally I think i good plot in simple terms would be for example: ok yeah civil war blah blah, Lord Hood knowing the Arbiter sends a Spartan 3 to go help the elites go do pew pew bang bang yay win, Now i think it could be intersting IF possibly this Spartan 3 was a survivor of Reach, this would give a Hate but still Ally relationship between the Elites and Spartan, and for such spartan to Learn and adjust to these new elite allies and maybe not hate them as much for destroying his friends and all of that. So, Lord Hood sends Spartan 3 (survived reach and hates any covie species) to go be allies with the same species that destroyed his "home" and fellow spartan buddies. This spartan over time of the campaign learns to start to be friends with the elites and possibly could grow a connection with the arbiter and learn the "truth" (see what i did there) behind the covenant and such and forgive them.
Little cringe for a halo story imo. Would be better just to sell it at a lower price using the same engine and assets to save money and dedicate to the covenant, like they did with ODST
I liked halo 5, I see its problems but still saw the good and injoyed my experience. And have fond memories playing it on the weekends with my brother and 2 Xboxes.
"injoyed"
I have to agree that Halo 5’s menu music is so good. It brings me back to the old Halo 3 days with that sad music
I really liked halo 5s versions of the promethean guns. The light rifle was fantastic. Shame it’s not in infinite…..
Thank God Prometheans aren't in Infinite.
@@Lintahlo the weapons could have been without them. Like a few scattered around or used by the Banished or something.
Half way through Halo 5's Campaign development, after they finished making Locks campaign missions that involved no master chief, they forgot master chief and had to SCRAP together chief's levels and re-write the story. In short, the development had forgotten chief and had a entirely new story to halo 5, but had to read books, comics, listen to podcasts, a movie or two and a tv short that didn't come around. Which also leads into the advertisements never making sense.
How in the hell could someone forget about Chief in a mainline Halo game? Jesus Christ no wonder the campaign is a complete shambles, whoever was in charge of the narrative did an utterly piss poor job of grasping even the most basic fundamentals of writing.
@@InfernalMonsoon They forgot the chief even though they made anniversaries CE and Halo 2, Master Chief Collection and Halo 4. There was no excuse for them forgetting master chief, but somehow they did. But you wish to know more there is more to this story with Factfiend it’s a bit of an old video though.
I think "forgot" isn't quite the right word - reading about Halo infinite's troubled development where Microsoft intervened and had 343 cut 2/3 of the content from that game. When their execs stick their nose into development it's almost certain death for a project - see also the near death of platinum games studio over the corporate meddling on scalebound.
@@Sunsetofcanterlot that's not what happened at all. What really happened was a year before 5 was released the story was forced by MS to be rewriting entirely because at the time MS was pushing Cortana as a personal AI and wanted her back in the games to help advertise there windows 10 AI. There is loads of leaked screenshots and images you can find online about it, originally yhe didact was going to return disfigured and crippled and the scanning system Locke uses was going to be used more in the story as a sort of detective devices to help find clues as to where chief was also originally Thorne from H4 spartan ops would have been a member of fireteam Orsiris instead of Buck but that was scrapped too. Halo 5's story is basically just a quickly together rewirte and rework of what that originally wanted to do which is a shame because the story had alot of potential before the rewrites. So yeah they didn't forget about Chief, he was always a big part of 5's story it was just cut down because of the rewrites to the story.
Controversial thought here, I actually didn't hate Halo 5. I thought the visuals were spectacular for the time, I didn't love the art style in all cases, but it did not bother me as much. I personally enjoyed the way the AI worked. The Cortana bits were indeed quite good and interesting, and the multiplayer had some salvageable modes and options. All in all I think Halo 5 guardians is a very average game, not something terrible that deserves to be shunned or shamed. I will be honest about my experience with Halo 5 though, I only play the multiplayer for about 30 to 40 hours (about 2 weeks of free time), and I did play the campaign twice once by myself and once co-op. I didn't stick around much, and I didn't jump into it until mid 2017. I have no idea how things were before I played it or at release, and I have no idea what happened after mid 2017 with the game. I would love to learn more from people who played the game for many years considerably.
The multiplayer still has a big following. Its not for casuals though as the skill gap is massive.
What killed halo 5 for me was the misleading marketing campaign, a lack luster single player. I only played through it once and never really touched it again. The fact they removed split creen and local coop was also a huge factor.
Was hoping H5’s pistol would be in Infinite.
The best feeling pistol I’ve felt in any Halo.
Dude thank you for shedding light on my problem with aiming in Halo infinite. I basically skipped Halo 5 almost entirely despite owning it, so I couldn't figure out why aiming with a controller felt so off compared to other Halo games and other shooters in general.
yeah this was fixed in halo 5 in a patch but it looks like the bug returned in infinite.
Great video my dude, played through the game again prior to Infinite's release and agree with pretty much everything you said. Also, did I hear some Timesplitters music? .... nice.
After completing Infinite and played through most of the MCC including Reach/ODST), I decided to buy H5 for cheap on the Xbox store and give it a spin for the first time. Half way through the campaign now. Visuals are absolutely stunning for a game released in 2015. Gorgeous locations and interesting set pieces, particularly the mining colony of Meridian, the forerunner world of Genesis, and Sanghelios itself. Balanced and interesting set of enemies which force you to adopt different tactics dependant on whether or not you are in battle against the Covenant Remnant or the Prometheans. Character and weapon design is good, although the Elites are a bit chunky. The plot is what lets the game down imo. Warden Eternal is a shit antagonist with no depth of character (compare to Atriox/Esharum for example in Infinite) and Master Chief's paltry two missions so far feel like cameos.
Play the multiplayer after you finish campaign. I guarantee you'll love the game and its mechanics enough to forgive the campaign
I thought the MP had good ideas I liked the shoulder charge as it added an extra layer to Halo melee which hasn't changed since halo 3 I liked how Smart scope looked like using to the iron sights of the Magnum was cool and I wish they used that sorta look for infinite's version of the Magnum but that gun just looks and sounds weak.
Overall the game was interesting weird and different like how Halo 4 was but this was the biggest departure from normal Halo the series has ever gotten.
I think that was part of the point. The deagle is to the more classic halo magnums, as the glock is to the halo infinite sidekick. Simple, low calibre back up weapon, with a higher fire rate.
Also yup. As if the artstyle change in 4, in parts that made no sense like forward unto dawn's rear half wasn't done for seemingly no reason.
Yeah I prefer halo 5's multi over infinite as well, hope it comes to pc one day, the main thing about those spartan abilities is that people with elite controllers can have big advantage, so if it's on pc then it would be more of a leveling field for every mkb players
i hope infinite adds like a halo 5 objective and slayer. just make everyone spawn with BR, side kick and thrusters. it wouldnt be the same but it would make me happy.
@@sangheilicommander1056 yeah they should let us spawn with br on btb
One of my absolute favorite things about this game is all the weapon variants. It really kept the game fresh and really fun to play especially in the mode fiesta.
Warzone on halo 5 was the only reason i played 5… was a fun as you call it “moba.” And even made me feel like playing titanfall again
One change I like in the artsyle was the Jackals, I just think they look badass in 4 and 5, I hoped they would have had both subspecies in Infinite like keep the 4 and 5 ones as the front line soliders with the shields and the old design or Infinite's new design as the snipers, I'm disappointed the only race they do this with is the grunts ad you 4 and 5 grunts in Infinite with the original trilogy designs would have been cool to multiple subspecies in Infinite but we got we got and love the designs in Infinite anyway.
As much as an improvement as Halo Infinite is, it still suffers from the same issues that Halo 4/5 suffer from. In that so much cool and interesting shit happens either off screen or in a cutscene.
This is the best h5 review I've ever seen, unbiased as hell and being fair all the time, damn brother you just won a lifetime sub
Nice video Jarek you are one of the few quality content creators on this platform
Keep up and merry Chirstmas 😊
You know I clicked on this video like "Was Halo 5 as bad as I remember?" and then as soon as you talked about the story I quickly remembered why I put this so far out of my mind and forgot everything. It's just as bad as I remembered. This isn't a bad game BUT *It is the worst Halo game.*
best halo game aside from the campaign
Halo 4 is worse, worse weapons and gameplay and a worse multiplayer. The campaigns only slightly better but thats not saying much
Halo 5 and Fallout 4 were the last games I ever pre ordered. I still remember the disappointment I felt for both games. I sold Fallout the day after release lol
The reason why Warzone was so astronomically bad was because the Req packs DIDN'T just have cosmetics, they had actual weapons/vehicles. If you didn't pay a cent and just unlocked them naturally, you could get a powerful weapon or vehicle once or twice a game. But you could tell when an opponent or teammate had spent hundreds of dollars on Req packs because they always had a Scorpion or Mantis or a Rocket Launcher as soon as they could spawn them in. It was very pay2win and made me put down the game for a while until some of my friends got into all the custom map stuff, which was very fun and sucked me back in. But you still have to play Warzone to get most of the cosmetics, which is why you shouldn't blame people for thinking it ruined the game. Or least the progression that is.
That's literally not true. You get req packs for playing any multiplayer mode. I had an absolute ton of req packs for doing nothing but playing slayer, swat, infection, action sack, etc. I had a ton of cosmetics and weapon variants yet I never played warzone and never spent a cent. Warzone is bad not because of req variants, it's bad because it's a massive chaotic mess. It also literally doesn't affect the actual halo MP game modes so not playing Halo 5 because of warzone alone is really silly.
I hope that Halo 5 will come to PC, even that singleplayer was really a mess.
@JarekTheGamingDragon, Never Failing to deliver the Timesplitters Music, in the background for all his Videos!!
Lost track of the times I've beaten Halo CE, 2, 3, Reach and ODST. I've beaten Halo 4 maybe 3 or 4 times. Guardians I've beaten once when it first came out..... terrible campaign. Online was okay but my friend was obsessed with it. 0/2 for 343 Halo games imo. I've heard good things about infinite but I'm hesitant about getting it due to how bad 4 and Guardians were.
Just finished the campaign. Problem with H5 is that it doesnt feel like part of the mainline Halo series. It very much feels set in the Halo universe, but since the main series is essentially the story of the Master Chief, I actually feel the campaign would have been better received if it were released as a spin-off (I.e Halo: Guardians instead of Halo 5:Guardians) with Jameson Locke as the playable protagonist and John 117 making a few cameos. Just that subtle tweak of expectations I feel would make alot of difference.
I played this game for 5 years straight. And have only played the campaign once. I really didn’t enjoy playing the campaign at all. I did manage to achieve champion rank twice in the multiplayer and I loved that we got free content.
In defense of the music, all the MP stingers and little loops are really nice. That nice tone of the firefight success outro as the pelicans head out hits well.
Skipjack647 Yea, hard disagree with him on the music. There are some wonderful tracks on there like Scavengers, Light is Green, Meridian Crossing, Blue Team, Kamchatka...
....I also don't mind the opening scene...but yes, it was really stupid how they put them there without properly introducing them
To see a proper reunion between Chief and Arbiter, you need read a comic tie in. To understand Locke, you have to watch the Halo Nightfall movie.
the turbovirgin 343 required reading/viewing vs the gigachad bungie optional reading/viewing
gameplay had great concepts but they needed fleshing out, 343 could definitely make a great halo game but it always falls apart. Story had tons of potential in 4 and 5 but yet again things fall apart when it comes to making things make sense or feel like were progressing properly (even infinite suffers the same problem). Halo 5s only redeeming factor was the concepts they had and forge and most of the gameplay. 343 halo games hurt me a lot, not because its bad but because the ideas were really good but we never got something polished enough to make me come back.
"you need that spartan on the box to sell" Sir, the ODST's would like a word
also, 2:15 totally not me trying to figure out why my youtube isnt displaying in full screen when id just set it to full screen
ODST was a stand alone expansion, not a full game. It also had the advantage of having Halo 3 attached to its title so that doesn't really count.
Fair enough, I do feel like 343 are relying too much on the big green guy to sell their games though and I really hope they start looking at other characters in the universe despite the shortcomings of their halo 5 attempt at it
The thing I hate the most about Halo 5 is (aside from the poor execution of cool story ideas and overall feel of the gameplay) is the damn Spartan helmet lines on the screen with no option to turn it off, made me feel motion sick (which is something that I never really deal with in games) and just claustrophobic. I hate that so much, with all my heart.
Like sure some people might feel more immersed I guess? But I know I speak for the majority when I say it’s awful and I should be able to turn it off if I want too (or just not have it there in the first place). Why would I want less visibility, it just feels like I’m trapped in a helmet? Even just watching the gameplay with it on makes me feel motion sick.
Edit: Also it’s never a good sign when you finish a game you’ve been looking forward too and when the credits roll you audibly say “that’s it?” and start laughing. Man Halo 5 could’ve been so cool, but it just wasn’t, but hey at least they’ve completely redeemed themselves with Infinite in my eyes.
That's one of the things i liked about the campaign lol
Trials and Osiris Suite, Act 1 were my only favorite tracks from that OST.
I actually want halo 5 too come to PC.
A few months ago my friends and I played this since they got it on Gamepass - the campaign (story aside) plays well early on but sucks ass later (little ammo reserves, terrible enemy placement). They didn't like MP, and I don't care for the fancy thruster moves but action sack is still pretty fun.
The deceiving trailers reminds of the intro cutscene of Halo 4. Where the game sets up this potential plot about the mental state of spartans, wether they are viable individual fit for protecting humanity.. but then the game is just basic generic Halo plot with some very light nod to that idea, was disapointing af.
I’ll never forget finishing halo 5 story on legendary and being so disappointed. I figured I’d hop onto multiplayer and do a few games before never touching it again. I played halo 5 multiplayer religiously for years. It is easily one of the best halo multiplayer experiences to date.
Well I’m enjoying halo infinite the strafe bull shit is really frustrating
I was expecting Halo 5 to be in the covenant civil war, with the UNSC going on the offensive, fighting to liberate covenant controlled planets and to control forerunner facilities, both against the covenant remnants and banish alike, sometimes with the banish as tactical allies, since they didn't really have any affiliation.
Also, everything look like it was leading up to the return of the human civil war against UNSC, which what the promo video looks like, either John or Locke went AOL, fighting the UNSC, which would be interesting.
Maybe the human flood war, now with the banish and ex- allies, which was also interesting, maybe all of those, but what we got? Cortana ressurection as the baddy... Dude...
I mean obviously the banished wouldn’t be in Halo 5 since their concept hadn’t been finalised and released until 2 years after the game came out. But the rest of your idea sounds infinitely more interesting than what we got
Dude that box fell for no reason, has something like that happened around before ? Especially while with that desktop wallpaper
I'm a diehard Halo fan but I barely played Halo 5 because I don't own an Xbox One myself and all of what I saw from it came from playing it at a friend's house and watching people play it. I agree that the MP was really good from what I saw and I played. The campaign, on the other hand, was hot garbage. It was hard to follow, it took Halo 4's emotional goodbye with Cortana and spat on it, and it just wasn't enjoyable overall. I'm someone that plays the campaign first and that's what hooks me into the game. After beating it at my friend's house, I told my friend that I just wanted to play something else for the first time ever. He did manage to convince me to try out the multiplayer with him and that was a much better experience.
As much as I love Blue Team, they should have a had a bit of intro done at some point. Especially since they play such a massive role in Chiefs backstory at the very least
I’d say Halo 5 multiplayer at launch is still better than Infinite’s launch. People always failed to acknowledge the multiplayer, not to mention the extreme amounts of content and community interactions we got over the months to come.
Funnily enough you can see a crashed guardian in the skybox of halo infintie.
I wish we knew how it was destroyed or is it just inactive will we learn more soon.
Halo 5 was highly influenced by the Avengers, 343 even kinda admitted to this in a ViDoc at the time.
I liked it when they kept the game and book stories separate honestly
I get that the campaign is a very integral part of the Halo games but its such a shame that H5 was a little overlooked for that reason. Despite that shortcoming, the arena multiplayer for H5 is fantastic. The forge was hands down the best in the entire series and because of the forge, the custom games players made for others to play were amazing. Most people will play the campaigns for these games once…maybe twice, but the one thing that always keeps all the Halos going way beyond their releases is the multiplayer, and H5 kept it going for almost 7 years. The game definitely deserved more love.
This is a great video and i agree with everything you said. I Will die on the hill that halo 5's multiplayer is fun
Timesplitters music while talking about the multiplayer mode variety, 10/10 soundtrack choice.
God I hate how dirty they did Blue team seriously imagine being a huge fan of the books and seeing Blue team finally!! After years AND I MEAN SERIES INCEPTION LONG WAIT TO ONLY SEE THIS SHIT WRITING 🤬
God, this game is such a headache campaign wise. It's like they had a bazillion ideas and tried to cram it into a Call of Duty campaign and doesn't fucking _work._
I'm surprised you got through this whole video and didn't mention the FOV at all, that's one of the things that you're known for, and this is one of most egregious examples of low FOV that I've seen.
It's a console only game, would be silly to complain about it
I never did play Halo 5 but watching videos of the multiplayer, made me want to play it.
Halo 5 is a game I have strong feelings about, when it comes to story its a disaster in gameplay and narrative. But in multiplayer with the right mindset it's great.
I've been giving it more of a shot casually after Infinite due to the lack of content for the game and been having a great time. It's not my favorite Halo game for multiplayer but it's still very good. If the artstyle and customization was much better it'd be probably my favorite or right next to my favorite halo entry.
Warzone was defiantly the weakest aspect of multiplayer in my opinion and I think if less people focused on it and focused on the core modes and eventual casual modes people would be more kind to it. Warzone to me doesn't feel like Halo, it feels really tedious to play and games can really drag. I think most of my bad impressions and same for most others came from the mode as when I first played Halo 5, I played mostly warzone as it was the new big mode and it really soured the game for me. With how much hate warzone and especially req packs got, if both didn't exist I think more would've appreciated the multiplayer gameplay more.
I'm still currently a console gamer but in the future I really hope for a PC port. The game I feel is a tad bit held back on console when it comes to FOV and aiming due to how the aiming works. If I could play Halo 5 with 90-110 fov with a mouse and keyboard I'd adore it as it fits the pace of Halo 5 so much more.
Also I'm a bit upset despite never being a real player of Halo 5 343 stopped updating the game. I'm glad they fixed and update the MCC now but they don't even support their flagship title. I understand no more major updates but not even just small content drops is a really major bummer.
The soundtrack is a victim of Halo 5's story lack of focus.
The composer is great, Locke's theme tells me more about him than the game itself. Point is, developers simply couldn't give proper informations, everything was still vague and he had to work around this confusing emptiness, I suppose.
Hadn’t played halo 2 since around 18 yrs or so. Played halo 5 as my 3rd halo game in 2020 and I’m hooked even though I did not like it really the first 2 weeks and since I started joining my brothers squad and they knew how to decently play so it was frustrating the first months but now I can’t get enough.
The only thing I really enjoy about Halo 5 is the firefight. Sometimes it's fun, other times it's a struggle. Id like to see the same sort of style firefight in Infinte, only thorn warzone firefight had was the mission times and objectives. I'd just prefer a massive horde of The Banished and Shiela with the marines beside myself and 11 other players for Halo Infinite, here's hoping. 🤞
For all its faults it still had weapons like SAW, Covenant Carbine, LightRifle... I'd trade those new electric weapons for the Promethean ones any day.
Well holy shit. Good to see you're still around. I remember when you used to do airsoft gun reviews
The Halo 5 magnum has spoiled me so much that I want it back in Infinite instead of the sidekick, it felt so good to use and i literally never used my assault rifle because it was so satisfying to get headshots with
Yes, the aiming thing! It's been driving me nuts for years but I've never seen anyone else talk about it. After having the same issues in Infinite as 5 I was beginning to think it was just me going crazy, but no, you have the same issues. Thank you!
11:43 I think that would be fucking cool to have a short story within the covenant civil war where you play as an elite from the swords of sanghelios or even play as the arbiter him self it could be similar to the arbiter missions in Halo 2 but the entire game is the arbiter and it could be a short campaign like odst and you could even have a call back to Halo 2 with the purple hud, small shield bar above the radar and an active camo that runs out over time that would be an interesting game concept but it would have to be executed properly
Halo 5 still has the best gameplay loop and MP
Well, if one good thing came out of halo 5, it's the female Spartan cakes.
Dude, I really appreciated your take on the multiplayer. It was very concise, and it was just really refreshing to hear a take on it that wasn’t… well, all of the arguments that you mentioned about (it was just COD in space, it killed Halo, it turned the game into a dumb twitch-shooter, etc.)
U low-key gave me nostalgia talking about the H5 MP days
I ended up replaying the campaign before Halo: Infinite. I can tell this game's development was a disaster. They put more effort into the marketing than they did the game itself.
Yeah the high production value trailers showing Locke pointing a gun at injured chief then chief pointing a gun at injured locke even though that never happens in game 💀
@@Gameprojordan This game might as well be the TASM2 of Halo. Studio interference that hires in one too many chefs in 343's kitchen just to whip up a recipe for disaster. As well as false advertisement to take people's money. Amen.
Usual for Microsoft then.
The Halo 5 Multiplayer is amazing honestly some of the best multiplayer I ever played the skill gap was very apparent and it was good pvp games unfortunately the story wasn’t good to save it though
But how long do you spend in campaign compared to mp?
I think a game about the covenant Civil War would be incredible. They really should've taken the mission to help the arbiter and made that the entire game. The whole game is Chief helping the arbiter win the Civil War. They could've taken it a step further by having Atriox as like a fellow rebellion leader with the arbiter, but they don't see eye to eye and the game ends with Atriox splitting from the arbiter to start the banished, leading until HW2 and then infinite.
If they really wanted to keep the cortana thing going, they could've made the legendary ending of 5 a scene of her recollection herself at the domain (however that would look), and then finding information about zeta halo. Infinite's campaign would've needed changes, but I personally think it could've led to some improvements in the story.
To be honest
-NPC squadmates & Warzone were pretty much cool and interesting as concepts (but I can agree that the NPCs could've been smarter)
-I see no problem with spartan abilities (besides, it makes sense in-universe for spartan IVs to have thrusters in their armor)
-prometheans could be reworked to be more fun and balanced to fight (soldiers and weakpoints for knights were a good start + missed opportunity for Halo Infinite)
-Forge was amazing
-the only issue with customization IMO is not being able to equip armor pieces separately from each other (was sad that my halo 4 armor set is pretty much impossible to recreate in halo 5 because of it) but everything else is fine (ugly helmets can be arranged), idk what's with the colors so feel free to discuss it
-REQ variants and attachments were also a pretty interesting concept (my only complaint is that you can't equip for example a threat marker with a muzzle silencer and an extended mag)
-Warden could've had a weakpoint (I think there is already one on his back, but I'm not sure if it's actually a weakpoint tho)
-Why can't we ping weapons and enemies in multiplayer? (like how we can in campaign)
-This game had enough stuff needed for machinimas (this tbh is where I'd like Halo Infinite's removal of red vs blue to be, but only as an option and not forced)
That's all I can say for now, but might add more later (but I do agree that Chief could've had more missions)
I've recently just finished the entire Halo collection (including Infinite) except for Halo 5 since.. it's the only Halo game that is not available on PC. I guess you could say we PC players are "lucky" we never get to experience it. lol
I have loved halo since I was a wee lad but holy shit I couldn't even finish halo 5. Legendary firefight and the mode where you yeet into a tiny arena with SMGs were highlights
Halo 5 music:
Okay guys, were gonna record us eating Cheetos, and having the dust fall on a viola
I pre-ordered the Limited Edition and attended the midnight launch event (which also ended up being my first LAN). Needless to say, I was pretty disappointed with the launch. I'm just thankful that the game is in a much better state now. Makes me want to get a used Xbox One just to play Halo 5 again.
Halo 5 made sense to fans like myself who read all the books but you’re right the everyday fan would be lost also lock was just meh to me I didn’t hate or love him I just honesty didn’t care for his part in the lore like I did with like Spartans like Kat and carter which were amazing written in reach
Can't help but notice the TimeSplitters 2 menu theme in the background 👌
Dude… the box for halo 5 moves by itself at 2:10 … do you have a ghost? LOL
I’m glad you’re a bit objective when it comes to your review. I remember people complaint like crazy about Halo 5 to the point where it seemed suspicious. Like, the comments were just recycled disses even about the multiplayer. It got to the point to where I just kind of rolled my eyes whenever someone slighted Halo 5 just to be cool or trendy.
That Timesplitters music around 20 minutes in was a cool touch
Hey Jarek I've got a very simple question according to you what makes a good fps?
FPS slider.
FOV slider
Spittin facts bro i loved halo 5 it does everything right tbh
only thing that sucked was the story
hope 343 brings halo 5 to pc💯
makes me feel so much better that Infinint had some boss battles every time i ran into one i found my self saying” FUCK YEA” 😂. The game allowed the gameplay to help tell the story
Halo 5 review in 2021?.. ah shit here we go again.
Thanks for the Christmas Special!
When I first got this game, I knew how bad the campaign was that I didn’t play it at all. All I did was play multiplayer.
Ah yes, I love the Half Life scientist "Stop!" as a censor sound
Honestly my favorite halo when it comes to MP I wish infinite was more like this it would be wayyy more enjoyable to play and not super boring
Mhhh me as a long time halo 3 player likes this old school approach
@@Albiooo1995 I think they should have a playlist for both comp and quick play that has the “advanced” movement from halo 5 and a magnum and lowerish ttk and a normal one like the halo 3 style
Infinites lack of weapon variety definitely doesnt help, also weapon balance and taking features and adding them elsewhere caused a problematic power shift.
Same here, i spent a ton of hours into the mp on halo 5 , the classic playlist as well as other events along with the arena style gametype was so much fun . it's probably a tie for me along with Halo custom edition. After replaying MP for the other halo games on mcc i realized they were still fun, but a lot of the fond memories from the past were based on nostalgia.
@@VEN0M415 infinite is meant to have a long life cycle, im sure they'll be new weapons and balance changes, they added the reach grenade launcher, sentinel beam and the wasp for halo 5 content
Someone recently compared the new Halo games to the new Star Wars trilogy. Lots of really great ideas, coupled with enough nostalgia, but completely botched execution. And honestly, even tho I personally like 4, I completely agree with that statement.
Infinite is easily the best of 343's era
@@Serocco I think 4 has a stronger narrative, but it's kind of like the first RE film. You forgive it because it's earnest (343's first game). But Infinite is a far better game in terms of depth and mechanics/gameplay differentiation. It's a better game overall because of it.
@@edgelordleon5859 4 has a very strong emotional core with Chief and Cortana's last true game together. The writer based it off his relationship with his mother when she was dying of dementia. To this day I see Halo 5 as almost non canon cuz of that.
This was the first multiplayer halo game I really played alot, even though I've played every single game halo multiplayer and campaign, I still enjoy halo 5 mp even though it doesnt play like a halo game. Fuck the campaign tho.
It just hurts my eyes to look at.
also my sentiments exactly on how the AR looks. it's beautiful. why did they change it in infinite??
they'll probably have a MA5-series model again at some point.
A throwback to halo reach. There's no other reason to reuse such an old variant of the AR after the multiple new variants released during and after covenant war since the events of reach. Between the events of reach and infinite there were atleast 5 new versions of the AR released.
@@Gameprojordan The lore reason is they had to equip the Infinity's marine detachment with old stuff during Cortana's subjugation, hence the older MA40 and the VK78 Commando is also supposed to be obsolete.
I always thought it was because the Reach model is skinnier/slimmer, which fits the overall viewmodel positioning of non-power weapons in Infinite, which is tucked down and to the side (as opposed to being up in your face like 5)