Of course I watched!! Being able to help you was my pleasure mate, and the experience Ed gained from our day is worth more than money can buy, also our collective wonderful subscribers and viewers get to see and experience real building situations and gain valuable knowledge along the way from you publishing this quality content in a real life situation, have a great weekend mate!!
counter battoning is usually only done on vaulted roofs where the insulation is up in the rafters and is restricting the roof from breathing . the counter battoning help with air flow. its not needed on your roof because the insulation is at ceiling level and the roof can vent through the soffit or vent tiles fair play to robin for donating his time
I've had similar experience with surveys. They're also written is such away that there's no way you can claim against the surveyors because everything is a possible issue. It's basically a way of them charging a lot of money, providing virtually no information and covering their own backs.
Great to see that the roof is finally completed and the roofer has kept to his word and compensated you for the renewal of the ceiling etc.Its a major job replacing the roof which is reflected in the cost.
Roof is looking good Keith - As someone who`s been in the building trade 30+ years its great to see the very calm and forgiving way in which you dealt with the leak situation - yes they did cock up but only due to an over sight, I`m sure you roofer was gutted at what happened - good on them for compensating you too - which they should without hesitation! - Roofing in this country can be a nightmare with the weather - I`ve had many a sleepless night listening to the rain beating down worrying, knowing that the roof we are working on is only felt and battened!!
Hi R 'n' B B, thank you for doing these videos so well!, I have spent most of the last fifty years in the construction industry, first as a roofing labourer and then on the tools, leading to switching to learning enough about other trades and skills to deal with most issues, with the exceptions of electrical and plumbing, the part that interested me most was always the carpentry. The first thing I noticed was that the roofing contractor failed in his management duties by failing to ensure that his employees did not cover the old flat roof when stripping the old tiles. This water penetration was always the number one concern on every job I ever did!, there was never any question that any damage would be repaired at my expense, likewise any problems with any part of the roof after I have 'finished' to come back to me, this policy of mine was always and only the product of my own sense of responsibility and pride in my work but one consequence is that I have never had the sort of problem you had to experience!. The last thirty years as a main contractor it has always been very clear to me that just because I have taken on a sub-contractor for some of the work all of the job and the management of it is still down to me, I understand that many other operators in the industry are less conscientious but all in all you could have been much worse off!, at least they got the job done and will pay for the damage. On the topic of counter-battens, they do increase the depth of the air space between the tiles and the felt and this makes more difference on a roof covered in slate which are usually fitted on thinner wider battens, also fit closer to the roof. The most important application is when covering a boarded roof, where there is no droop for the felt between rafters, also on roofs with occupied loft space where the whole air mass in the roof is much more confined. In all these situations everything depends on the effectiveness of the vapour barriers in the rooms below, where this is fully effective it does a great deal to reduce condensation on the cld undersides of roof coverings, the main case of wet in modern homes!. In your situation I would recommend that you ask your plasterer to fit foil-backed plasterboard but this will only help those rooms being re-done, since to have to replace most of you loft insulation you have the chance yup there to fit loose thousand gauge polythene membrane over the joists with the insulation on top, I always did this on roof re-furb jobs while I had the roof open, so much easier to gat at! I was in the roofing job when that plastic strip along the eaves was first introduced, I had always known that the earlier method with the bitumen roofing felt draped over the rafters left a pocket along the fascia that held water until it didn't!, I always fitted another roofing batten so that its top corner came just above the fascia line to reduce that pocket and was happy to use the plastic stuff to achieve the same result, I was however concerned that the vertical junctions between each section do not stop any water running sideways and in, I think the strip of DPC that they have fitted for you is better. Cheers, Richard.
I totally agree about the survey/inspection... At least most of the time. I have seen them uncover important issues but like as recently as August, I saw an inspector scare a couple away from a house for no reason at all. They were upset because they really wanted the house but they said they couldn't take the risk because the house was at the limit of their budget. The homeowner was pissed because she was left with a bad inspection and no buyer. The home got a few upgrades, mainly paint and I fixed some other minor issues, new inspection which was very good and was finally purchased this week. Now everyone's happy.
i've never seen a pitched roof counter battened, however it is something you do on a flat roof sometimes. I'm no roofer myself but i remember someone once said that it's better if the felt is put on slack, rather than tight, so it leaves a gap between the battens and the felt for water to run in. what a lovely guy Robin is, valuing the skills learned over the money is incredible to see
Great to see people helping each other out - saw you on Proper DIY and then Robin and Ed on your channel. Those guys are on another level (excuse the pun!). Keep up the great content 👍
Couldn't agree with you more about the surveyors. We got totally screwed by our "comprehensive" survey. We decided when we next move to get the cheapest survey we can get away with, and then just hire a builder we trust for a few hours of their time. Also, little tip, if you want anyone to pay any attention to your sponsorship: don't put a cute vid of Mickey off to the side! 🤣 lol, I literally had no idea what you were talking about! Reminds me of our old cat Really pleased it all came together for you in the end. The videos series is nice and reassuring that nightmares like this happen to everyone too! Roof looks great now
My dad and grandmother's houses were built in the same timeframe and are right next to each other. Dad's house has a pitched roof and grandma's house had a flat roof. As such, about as good of a side by side comparison as you will ever see. Grandma's house has had numerous leaks over the 54 years I've been alive and been redone three or four times. My dad's has never leaked and only once was redone because it was 20+ years past the expected life of the material used. As such, I would never want a flat roof. Converting it the way you did makes complete sense to me.
Same. We got a Level 3 survey and most of the observations were just that and no real conclusions were made as destructive testing would be required, which they obviously didn't do. The survey even missed pigeons nesting under solar panels, despite very obvious signs, which was a pain to resolve later.
The roof looks really good Keith. It's a shame the effects of the rain extended to the inside but natural has it's way every time mate. Still a lovely bungalow though. Loved the outtakes at the end chap 😁 great video 😉👍🏼👍🏼
Agree 100% on your surveys comment. We paid for a certified comprehensive survey on a 1930's property that highlighted many things that are easily rectified with servicing/checks i.e. boiler. However they missed the mould behind a built in wardrobe in the bedroom, a similarly leaky flat roof above a bay window and several other minor things I've since come across. I think in future we'd have more of an idea of what to look for ourselves and save that money that may go towards fixing any issues!
Reroofs are hugely important, complicated, and expensive endeavours (Brit spelling for ya'), so I'm glad this one is done, was done right, and is now in your rear view. Looking forward to your next project videos!
Mickie! Lovely to see your new 🐈 great video, I've had numerous ceiling issues in Scotland in Victorian flats where we need everyone to agree before reroofing, and had a bedroom ceiling collapse at 3am, so I totally feel your pain
Nice one Keith. Totally agree with you on the quality of surveys generally......potential problem areas not inspected as immediate access not available (ie going up into the attic)
That comment about surveys is bang on the money. In Scotland all homes get a home report when they go on the market and I don't think it's the same in England. They are consistently useless. Every time it's a bunch of weasel words trying to absolve them from any responsibility and equally missing key critical issues. It's basically a tax that's keeps idiots with no skills in a job.
30+ years roofer comment on your questions--- The counter battens are not standard practice. However i would have reused the eave trays ... DPC in this situation is not recommended as it will sit straight and have potential for water to track back - thats why the eave tray is shaped to drip down into the gutter.
So how much were the re-roofing work costs in total? I'll break it down in this video, and I'll also answer some questions about why the roof was not counter battened, insurance, and more! 0:00 Intro 0:35 New Roof 1:55 Ceiling Damage 3:18 Why No Counter Battens 4:36 Ceiling Damage Insurance? 5:03 Why We Didn't Start With The Roof 6:03 Sponsored Message 6:40 How Much Did It Cost? 8:00 Ceiling Repair Cost 8:25 Salvaged Materials 9:02 Total Cost 9:13 Bloopers! This video is sponsored by TRADIFY - for a free 14 day trial visit bit.ly/3C8xMfI and use the promo code RAGNBONE for 50% off for 3 months once your trial expires 🔴My channel is supported by Milwaukee🔴 Check out their full range here: uk.milwaukeetool.eu/?Social&RUclips&Rag%20N%20Bone%20Brown%20-Milwaukee%20Range 🔨 MY TOOLS 🔨 For links to the tools I use, plus some of my favourite consumables, finishes and more see links below. As an Amazon Associate I may earn a small commission from qualifying purchases: www.amazon.co.uk/shop/ragnbonebrown US affiliate store: www.amazon.com/shop/ragnbonebrown 🤝 HELP SUPPORT THE CHANNEL 🤝 Support with RUclips channel membership: ruclips.net/channel/UCVyE_6jEtVZGmYGXtUOL5FQjoin Support with Patreon: www.patreon.com/ragnbonebrown Support with PayPal paypal.me/ragnbonebrown Shop With Amazon using my affiliate link: geni.us/iWD3K 💰 SHOP 💰 Etsy: www.etsy.com/uk/shop/KeithBrownMaker teespring.com/stores/rag-n-bone-brown-merch 🎧 WORKSHOP BANTER PODCAST 🎧 ruclips.net/user/workshopbanter Also available on Spotify, Apple, Google and most other podcast platforms 🔗 LINKS: 🔗 Website: www.ragnbonebrown.com Facebook: facebook.com/ragnbonebrown Instagram: @ragnbonebrown Twitter: twitter.com/ragnbonebrown Email: ragnbonebrown@gmail.com Second RUclips Channel (non woodwork videos): ruclips.net/user/keefykeef
Don't know if anyone else has mentioned it but a very good reason for Keith not to be claiming on his own house insurance (apart from it would be totally wrong to let the roofer off the hook) is that if he does... next year's premiums will go through the um.... 😂😂😂
So very glad that the "experience " is behind you both. And it looks a cracking job. The building regs dont reqiure counter battening. But as i understand it, the Scottish building regs requires you to sheet the roof with plywood before you batten it. I love the location of your home, as you have said before the road isnt ideal. But the garden is a great size and your workshop is wonderful.
We also had full survey that only noted what we noted and said nothing about more serious issues. Lots of 'presumed to be...' sections. Waste of money. However... Daughter had survey on house she and fiancé were very keen on. We all looked for evidence of movement (which was a concern given position of house) and saw nothing. Her survey did note evidence of movement that would require underpinning and make it uninsulated. They pulled out when vendors wouldn't take a big hit to price. Apparently, now, the family who had expectations from their parents' estate can't sell and market has crashed so they'll get very little each. Daughter and husband just moved into their new home, smaller but in perfect location
When we moved into this house we didn't have a survey for reasons exactly as you said. I'm a competent diy'er so know what to look for. Previous surveys we've had done have been a waste of time and when you check out the small print, there are that many clauses to absolve them of blame there'd be no point in complaining. Mortgage survey though, did value house at 5k less so we dropped our offer which was accepted. 😁😁😁
I think you got a good price, assuming the work of good. I recently paid around £14.5k for a re-roof (materials and labour) for our 3 bed bungalow. Prices in Norfolk are probably less than Manchester though.
I have to say, I agree with you on the surveyor point. Only ever had one done and, although we didn't discover any major issues it had missed, also don't really think it was worth the money.
Unfortunately, Keith, if it was around 2 years ago you would spend much less money than now. 😕 I'm finishing the construction of 2 houses right now here in Brazil, for renting... And it hasn't been fun. 😬 Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Nice video Keith nice to see your breakdown of everything glad your managing get things covered by the roofer for the mess. We redone our roof about 8 years ago now and it was a total nightmare although I would of thought the scaffolding would be included in the roofers price 🤔 and big shout to robin for not charging you that in this trade world is what we call doing something for friend. Oh and nice to see Micky see you've got a licker cat I've 2 them aswell get daily wash from them. 🏴👍
I live in Arizona and prices here in the Phoenix area are much higher then the costs that you paid, and that is without replacing tile ,reusing old tile after new underlayment.
I agree totally about the survey. We paid for a full detailed survey on our first/current house purchase. It was all doom and gloom but covered with caveats about not being able to move furniture etc for more detailed inspection. I got suspicious when we were informed in writing that all ceilings were liable to collapse due to be old lath and plaster. The cottage was built in the 1850's. If the surveyor had bothered to move the loft insulation to one side he'd have seen it was all plaster-boarded and artexed within the last 10 years. Same downstairs. He missed the glaring issue of blocked air bricks and a rotting wooden floor downstairs though. I sorted all that in one weekend. I can patch up houses and have worked on old housed since I was a kid and felt I'd got more knowledge than someone with a torch and a laptop who'd just charged me a grand for a script off his laptop.
I may be wrong, but I think most, if not all, mortgage lenders require a survey. And, on older properties, a more in depth survey than for say a new build or newer home. However, I would agree that even a reasonable diy-er could spot any potential problems, but having that piece of paper from a surveyor is what lenders want.
Glad to see it’s getting sorted out. Roof looks nice. Curious, why don’t I ever see fiberglass shingles used in the UK like we use here in the colonies?
We only use shingles on sheds. Also roofs are not boarded so couldn't fit shingles without boarding them. Also culturally it's not seen as the proper way to do it. You would struggle to sell the house and possibly get a mortgage.
Nice one mate. I'm a builder and if I was to win the lottery and wanted to build a new house but couldn't be bothered to do it myself I would get robin to come and build it for me!
While the roofs were open, would have been a good idea to stick up a few empty water tanks just incase you wish to expand or repair, unless of course access hatches are big enough...
If you need a mortgage you have to have a valuation survey. If you want a surveyor report on the condition of the building, save your money. Unless its a structural survey. If anything is found you can sue the surveyor for missing it, but only on a structural survey.
Even a structural survey can wriggle out of responsibility by saying things like “… but I could not examine closer as the householder was not willing to have plaster removed so I am unable to confirm…
It's a shame they chucked your eaves trays. The dpc that they use isn't UV stable so it'll end up disintegrating in a few years. They should have used High Performance Eaves Protection Strip/felt instead
I love that you could salvage some materials! Great results after all. Will you make a video about the plaster work? PS: you know your viewers, I see a cat, I dont skip the sponsor
Hi Keith, I thought I was the only one who got taken for a ride by a surveyor and his lame worded paperwork, basically absolving him of any blame for things that he couldn't get access to. Same as you I won't bother next time, and have enough know how to see the obvious stuff. If there's a dodgy buried pipe or underfloor rot a surveyor won't highlight it anyway. Obviously the mortgage company will still do their own survey.
Love the segment with Mickie in, did you manage to do that without a script and in one take? 😂 I did think you could have saved and dried out the insulation when it got wet (maybe not in the oven), but if it was only £80 to replace with new then probably not worth the hassle
Unfortunately surveys are not worth the money in my experience. You are far better today take an experienced builder with you who will spot many more issues than the vast majority of surveyors.
Surveyors are useless. When I bought my house I already knew it was structurally sound but I had to have one done as part of the mortgage agreement. The surveyor gave the property a red mark - as in do not buy - because one plug socket was loose and a screw was missing meaning the "live wires were visible". It required a phone call with the mortgage agent in order to clarify that I was happy to accept the responsibility of the repairs. It was fixed in about 10 seconds. Absolute joke of a system.
Wow. I once had a surveyor that came to my house to look at a mould problem actually say to me that " thr only time mould is dangerous is....if you lick it" this person was around 55 to 65years old and honestly all I could do was laugh and when I asked him to repeat what he just said while I was recording on my phone he just decided to cover his face and run downstairs and out of my house!!!. It's a good thing really because I was about to throw him out. I then called his company who told me he had contacted them to say nothing was wrong with the house and that I had been mean to him so he had walked off my job. Totally dishonest and complete lies. Needless to say I did some more research on mould and the spaws and then decided to do the work myself...without licking it all off the walls and roof 😀 😄. As alway's Keith 💯% 👍. P.s I'd have been gutted to come back home and see the drip edges inside of the skip.
Wooo i feel lucky now that i dont live in UK xD i pay 76k PLN its like 15k USD for roof from start to end at my new home that i building. My home got almost 200m2 and roof is almost 250m2
Some are, some are not, we've got a real mix!! Trying to sort them in to piles. I'm tempted to have a go at re-roofing the workshop myself but will probably be a year or two yet
I noticed you paid money for a surveyor. You should have a good legal case against them if you feel they haven't conducted their work properly. Do seek legal advice on this if you haven't. Lastly, That Clever bloke is a genuine nice guy!
I would have liked to have seen a video on the repacement of the ceiling. I have no knowledge of these things and it would have been a great help. Is that being selfish?
Surveys are a waste of money. Paid for ours. Said unable to check inside detached garage. It was unlocked and could see it was open. Idol bugger couldn’t be bothered opening the door.
Nowhere in the description is there a link to previous videos even though you said there would be. I can't be arsed to look them up if you can't be arsed to do what you said.
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Our survey was exactly the same . Glossy comprehensive and completely useless. Missed everything we needed to know while pointing out the bloody obvious Edit: timber work £3.5k wow. Robin would not be cheap but I can’t see him paying himself £2k per day plus £1k for Ed, after timber costs. (Both Ed and, dare I say it Robin wishes)
Of course I watched!! Being able to help you was my pleasure mate, and the experience Ed gained from our day is worth more than money can buy, also our collective wonderful subscribers and viewers get to see and experience real building situations and gain valuable knowledge along the way from you publishing this quality content in a real life situation, have a great weekend mate!!
Thanks Robin, you too! 👍
Class act from a quality tradesman. The roof looks great as well.
@Robin , never the less it was a lovely thing to do.
You're a top bloke Robin and an excellent craftsman
You can't help but admire Robin's class and he deserves all the success he has earned.
counter battoning is usually only done on vaulted roofs where the insulation is up in the rafters and is restricting the roof from breathing . the counter battoning help with air flow. its not needed on your roof because the insulation is at ceiling level and the roof can vent through the soffit or vent tiles
fair play to robin for donating his time
Thanks for that info, interesting 👍 yeah Robin is a legend!
Wow Robin is an absolute legend..glad your roof is sorted
He is! 👍 Cheers
I've had similar experience with surveys. They're also written is such away that there's no way you can claim against the surveyors because everything is a possible issue. It's basically a way of them charging a lot of money, providing virtually no information and covering their own backs.
Yes! Exactly
I live in US and same exact experience and opinion about home inspection services here.
Robin really is a gem! What a great friend to have. I’m really glad that the ceiling was sorted out. Thanks for your honesty Keith.
Great to see that the roof is finally completed and the roofer has kept to his word and compensated you for the renewal of the ceiling etc.Its a major job replacing the roof which is reflected in the cost.
Roof is looking good Keith - As someone who`s been in the building trade 30+ years its great to see the very calm and forgiving way in which you dealt with the leak situation - yes they did cock up but only due to an over sight, I`m sure you roofer was gutted at what happened - good on them for compensating you too - which they should without hesitation! - Roofing in this country can be a nightmare with the weather - I`ve had many a sleepless night listening to the rain beating down worrying, knowing that the roof we are working on is only felt and battened!!
Hi R 'n' B B, thank you for doing these videos so well!, I have spent most of the last fifty years in the construction industry, first as a roofing labourer and then on the tools, leading to switching to learning enough about other trades and skills to deal with most issues, with the exceptions of electrical and plumbing, the part that interested me most was always the carpentry.
The first thing I noticed was that the roofing contractor failed in his management duties by failing to ensure that his employees did not cover the old flat roof when stripping the old tiles. This water penetration was always the number one concern on every job I ever did!, there was never any question that any damage would be repaired at my expense, likewise any problems with any part of the roof after I have 'finished' to come back to me, this policy of mine was always and only the product of my own sense of responsibility and pride in my work but one consequence is that I have never had the sort of problem you had to experience!.
The last thirty years as a main contractor it has always been very clear to me that just because I have taken on a sub-contractor for some of the work all of the job and the management of it is still down to me, I understand that many other operators in the industry are less conscientious but all in all you could have been much worse off!, at least they got the job done and will pay for the damage.
On the topic of counter-battens, they do increase the depth of the air space between the tiles and the felt and this makes more difference on a roof covered in slate which are usually fitted on thinner wider battens, also fit closer to the roof. The most important application is when covering a boarded roof, where there is no droop for the felt between rafters, also on roofs with occupied loft space where the whole air mass in the roof is much more confined. In all these situations everything depends on the effectiveness of the vapour barriers in the rooms below, where this is fully effective it does a great deal to reduce condensation on the cld undersides of roof coverings, the main case of wet in modern homes!.
In your situation I would recommend that you ask your plasterer to fit foil-backed plasterboard but this will only help those rooms being re-done, since to have to replace most of you loft insulation you have the chance yup there to fit loose thousand gauge polythene membrane over the joists with the insulation on top, I always did this on roof re-furb jobs while I had the roof open, so much easier to gat at!
I was in the roofing job when that plastic strip along the eaves was first introduced, I had always known that the earlier method with the bitumen roofing felt draped over the rafters left a pocket along the fascia that held water until it didn't!, I always fitted another roofing batten so that its top corner came just above the fascia line to reduce that pocket and was happy to use the plastic stuff to achieve the same result, I was however concerned that the vertical junctions between each section do not stop any water running sideways and in, I think the strip of DPC that they have fitted for you is better.
Cheers, Richard.
I totally agree about the survey/inspection... At least most of the time. I have seen them uncover important issues but like as recently as August, I saw an inspector scare a couple away from a house for no reason at all. They were upset because they really wanted the house but they said they couldn't take the risk because the house was at the limit of their budget. The homeowner was pissed because she was left with a bad inspection and no buyer. The home got a few upgrades, mainly paint and I fixed some other minor issues, new inspection which was very good and was finally purchased this week. Now everyone's happy.
Keith, I think you should do outtakes in every single video. so funny 😂😂
i've never seen a pitched roof counter battened, however it is something you do on a flat roof sometimes. I'm no roofer myself but i remember someone once said that it's better if the felt is put on slack, rather than tight, so it leaves a gap between the battens and the felt for water to run in.
what a lovely guy Robin is, valuing the skills learned over the money is incredible to see
Great to see people helping each other out - saw you on Proper DIY and then Robin and Ed on your channel. Those guys are on another level (excuse the pun!). Keep up the great content 👍
That looks very impressive, and not a moment too soon with winter approaching.
Couldn't agree with you more about the surveyors. We got totally screwed by our "comprehensive" survey. We decided when we next move to get the cheapest survey we can get away with, and then just hire a builder we trust for a few hours of their time.
Also, little tip, if you want anyone to pay any attention to your sponsorship: don't put a cute vid of Mickey off to the side! 🤣 lol, I literally had no idea what you were talking about!
Reminds me of our old cat
Really pleased it all came together for you in the end. The videos series is nice and reassuring that nightmares like this happen to everyone too! Roof looks great now
My dad and grandmother's houses were built in the same timeframe and are right next to each other. Dad's house has a pitched roof and grandma's house had a flat roof. As such, about as good of a side by side comparison as you will ever see. Grandma's house has had numerous leaks over the 54 years I've been alive and been redone three or four times. My dad's has never leaked and only once was redone because it was 20+ years past the expected life of the material used. As such, I would never want a flat roof. Converting it the way you did makes complete sense to me.
Happy for you getting it sorted Keith
Cheers!
Glad it all came together in the end Keith. Looks really nice. Hope you can relax a bit now. All the best Adrian
Same. We got a Level 3 survey and most of the observations were just that and no real conclusions were made as destructive testing would be required, which they obviously didn't do. The survey even missed pigeons nesting under solar panels, despite very obvious signs, which was a pain to resolve later.
Came for the roof stayed for the cat. Am not disappointed. Can't wait for the cattery build now the scaffolding is gone
The roof looks really good Keith. It's a shame the effects of the rain extended to the inside but natural has it's way every time mate.
Still a lovely bungalow though.
Loved the outtakes at the end chap 😁 great video 😉👍🏼👍🏼
Man I feel for you. I'm glad your home is beginning to BE the home you always dreamed of.
Agree 100% on your surveys comment. We paid for a certified comprehensive survey on a 1930's property that highlighted many things that are easily rectified with servicing/checks i.e. boiler. However they missed the mould behind a built in wardrobe in the bedroom, a similarly leaky flat roof above a bay window and several other minor things I've since come across. I think in future we'd have more of an idea of what to look for ourselves and save that money that may go towards fixing any issues!
Second the comment about surveyors. Absolute waste of money.
Reroofs are hugely important, complicated, and expensive endeavours (Brit spelling for ya'), so I'm glad this one is done, was done right, and is now in your rear view. Looking forward to your next project videos!
Love the bloopers at the end!
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Mickie! Lovely to see your new 🐈 great video, I've had numerous ceiling issues in Scotland in Victorian flats where we need everyone to agree before reroofing, and had a bedroom ceiling collapse at 3am, so I totally feel your pain
9:23 The bird is having noting of it, Keith!
Nice one Keith.
Totally agree with you on the quality of surveys generally......potential problem areas not inspected as immediate access not available (ie going up into the attic)
That comment about surveys is bang on the money. In Scotland all homes get a home report when they go on the market and I don't think it's the same in England. They are consistently useless. Every time it's a bunch of weasel words trying to absolve them from any responsibility and equally missing key critical issues. It's basically a tax that's keeps idiots with no skills in a job.
30+ years roofer comment on your questions--- The counter battens are not standard practice. However i would have reused the eave trays ... DPC in this situation is not recommended as it will sit straight and have potential for water to track back - thats why the eave tray is shaped to drip down into the gutter.
So how much were the re-roofing work costs in total? I'll break it down in this video, and I'll also answer some questions about why the roof was not counter battened, insurance, and more!
0:00 Intro
0:35 New Roof
1:55 Ceiling Damage
3:18 Why No Counter Battens
4:36 Ceiling Damage Insurance?
5:03 Why We Didn't Start With The Roof
6:03 Sponsored Message
6:40 How Much Did It Cost?
8:00 Ceiling Repair Cost
8:25 Salvaged Materials
9:02 Total Cost
9:13 Bloopers!
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Watching the surveyor going round my old house , and reading the report I received from my new house, proved what a waste of money they were.
Don't know if anyone else has mentioned it but a very good reason for Keith not to be claiming on his own house insurance (apart from it would be totally wrong to let the roofer off the hook) is that if he does... next year's premiums will go through the um.... 😂😂😂
Ha ha!! 😁👍
This is a very good joke
So very glad that the "experience " is behind you both. And it looks a cracking job. The building regs dont reqiure counter battening. But as i understand it, the Scottish building regs requires you to sheet the roof with plywood before you batten it. I love the location of your home, as you have said before the road isnt ideal. But the garden is a great size and your workshop is wonderful.
We also had full survey that only noted what we noted and said nothing about more serious issues. Lots of 'presumed to be...' sections. Waste of money. However...
Daughter had survey on house she and fiancé were very keen on. We all looked for evidence of movement (which was a concern given position of house) and saw nothing. Her survey did note evidence of movement that would require underpinning and make it uninsulated. They pulled out when vendors wouldn't take a big hit to price. Apparently, now, the family who had expectations from their parents' estate can't sell and market has crashed so they'll get very little each. Daughter and husband just moved into their new home, smaller but in perfect location
When we moved into this house we didn't have a survey for reasons exactly as you said. I'm a competent diy'er so know what to look for. Previous surveys we've had done have been a waste of time and when you check out the small print, there are that many clauses to absolve them of blame there'd be no point in complaining. Mortgage survey though, did value house at 5k less so we dropped our offer which was accepted. 😁😁😁
Glad you got it sorted out and the Roof is looking good! I'll be looking at something similar on a Bungalow too so good to have an idea of cost!
Thank you
I think you got a good price, assuming the work of good. I recently paid around £14.5k for a re-roof (materials and labour) for our 3 bed bungalow. Prices in Norfolk are probably less than Manchester though.
You should have those counter battons. Its standard practice here in Finland to install them. Always. No exceptions.
They also allow for more ventilation between the membrane and roofing.
Not in the UK
I have to say, I agree with you on the surveyor point. Only ever had one done and, although we didn't discover any major issues it had missed, also don't really think it was worth the money.
Lovely,… Lord Mickie, the Inspector/Foreman is very happy!
Nice video, thank you for sharing!
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Unfortunately, Keith, if it was around 2 years ago you would spend much less money than now. 😕
I'm finishing the construction of 2 houses right now here in Brazil, for renting... And it hasn't been fun. 😬
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
Nice video Keith nice to see your breakdown of everything glad your managing get things covered by the roofer for the mess. We redone our roof about 8 years ago now and it was a total nightmare although I would of thought the scaffolding would be included in the roofers price 🤔 and big shout to robin for not charging you that in this trade world is what we call doing something for friend. Oh and nice to see Micky see you've got a licker cat I've 2 them aswell get daily wash from them. 🏴👍
The chirping birds actually sounded good.
I live in Arizona and prices here in the Phoenix area are much higher then the costs that you paid, and that is without replacing tile ,reusing old tile after new underlayment.
Best Tradify commercial ever!
Thank you 😁👍
I agree totally about the survey. We paid for a full detailed survey on our first/current house purchase. It was all doom and gloom but covered with caveats about not being able to move furniture etc for more detailed inspection. I got suspicious when we were informed in writing that all ceilings were liable to collapse due to be old lath and plaster. The cottage was built in the 1850's. If the surveyor had bothered to move the loft insulation to one side he'd have seen it was all plaster-boarded and artexed within the last 10 years. Same downstairs. He missed the glaring issue of blocked air bricks and a rotting wooden floor downstairs though. I sorted all that in one weekend. I can patch up houses and have worked on old housed since I was a kid and felt I'd got more knowledge than someone with a torch and a laptop who'd just charged me a grand for a script off his laptop.
Exactly right! 👍
robin clevett a complete master
Surveys have been a complete caveat-filled waste of money in my experience. Agree with you 100% there Keith
Good video Keith! Thanks for sharing it with us!💖👍😎JP
Thanks 👍
@@RagnBoneBrown Your very welcome Keith Have a wonderful week!😎
I may be wrong, but I think most, if not all, mortgage lenders require a survey. And, on older properties, a more in depth survey than for say a new build or newer home. However, I would agree that even a reasonable diy-er could spot any potential problems, but having that piece of paper from a surveyor is what lenders want.
There are different levels of survey that they accept though, I think about three. We went for most expensive, which was a mistake
your experience with your house survey is very common, very few surveyors actually have experience in construction
Glad to see it’s getting sorted out. Roof looks nice. Curious, why don’t I ever see fiberglass shingles used in the UK like we use here in the colonies?
We only use shingles on sheds. Also roofs are not boarded so couldn't fit shingles without boarding them. Also culturally it's not seen as the proper way to do it. You would struggle to sell the house and possibly get a mortgage.
@@ice4142 Interesting, thanks.
Great video i love all your videos keep it up 👍
Nice one mate. I'm a builder and if I was to win the lottery and wanted to build a new house but couldn't be bothered to do it myself I would get robin to come and build it for me!
While the roofs were open, would have been a good idea to stick up a few empty water tanks just incase you wish to expand or repair, unless of course access hatches are big enough...
Great job love the bloopers!
No cement in the valleys? And hadn't cleaned the roof very well 🤨
Surprised to see that lead is allowed. Was banned some 20 year ago in Denmark.
If you need a mortgage you have to have a valuation survey. If you want a surveyor report on the condition of the building, save your money. Unless its a structural survey. If anything is found you can sue the surveyor for missing it, but only on a structural survey.
Even a structural survey can wriggle out of responsibility by saying things like “… but I could not examine closer as the householder was not willing to have plaster removed so I am unable to confirm…
It's a shame they chucked your eaves trays. The dpc that they use isn't UV stable so it'll end up disintegrating in a few years. They should have used High Performance Eaves Protection Strip/felt instead
Looks fantastic 👌🏻💙
Such a cute fur-baby 💙
Nice job
Upstaged by the cat again , great video
You don't need to counter batton if it's not a vaulted ceiling.
I love that you could salvage some materials! Great results after all. Will you make a video about the plaster work? PS: you know your viewers, I see a cat, I dont skip the sponsor
Haha! I'm glad Mickie's presence is having the desired effect 😁👍 I might check with our plasterer to see if he minds being filmed!
Hi Keith, I thought I was the only one who got taken for a ride by a surveyor and his lame worded paperwork, basically absolving him of any blame for things that he couldn't get access to. Same as you I won't bother next time, and have enough know how to see the obvious stuff. If there's a dodgy buried pipe or underfloor rot a surveyor won't highlight it anyway. Obviously the mortgage company will still do their own survey.
Totally agree that surveys when getting a mortgage are completely fucking useless. Ours missed SO many things. Absolute racket.
We had to replace 320 sq m of sarking and slate above the 2nd floor, that was more like £80,000
Love the segment with Mickie in, did you manage to do that without a script and in one take? 😂
I did think you could have saved and dried out the insulation when it got wet (maybe not in the oven), but if it was only £80 to replace with new then probably not worth the hassle
Teleprompter to the rescue! 👍
Unfortunately surveys are not worth the money in my experience. You are far better today take an experienced builder with you who will spot many more issues than the vast majority of surveyors.
Any reason why you didn’t go with a dry verge system?
Just watching this, hear a drip drip and yes my damn roof is now leaking 😢
Concrete ridge and hips on clay tiles, thats an odd mix.
Can i just ask why did you not have a dry ridge system installed...
Surveyors are useless. When I bought my house I already knew it was structurally sound but I had to have one done as part of the mortgage agreement.
The surveyor gave the property a red mark - as in do not buy - because one plug socket was loose and a screw was missing meaning the "live wires were visible".
It required a phone call with the mortgage agent in order to clarify that I was happy to accept the responsibility of the repairs.
It was fixed in about 10 seconds.
Absolute joke of a system.
Surely you have a claim against the surveyors, after all, they missed this very serious problem in their survey?
Wow. I once had a surveyor that came to my house to look at a mould problem actually say to me that " thr only time mould is dangerous is....if you lick it" this person was around 55 to 65years old and honestly all I could do was laugh and when I asked him to repeat what he just said while I was recording on my phone he just decided to cover his face and run downstairs and out of my house!!!.
It's a good thing really because I was about to throw him out. I then called his company who told me he had contacted them to say nothing was wrong with the house and that I had been mean to him so he had walked off my job. Totally dishonest and complete lies. Needless to say I did some more research on mould and the spaws and then decided to do the work myself...without licking it all off the walls and roof 😀 😄. As alway's Keith 💯% 👍.
P.s I'd have been gutted to come back home and see the drip edges inside of the skip.
£80 for insulation, paint and decorating is cheap
home buyer surveys are generally unhelpful.
Wooo i feel lucky now that i dont live in UK xD i pay 76k PLN its like 15k USD for roof from start to end at my new home that i building. My home got almost 200m2 and roof is almost 250m2
mickie is the best
Are the roof tiles the same as the shop? If so, reuse them to do the repairs to the roof. Then clean it... Usually looks better than new
Some are, some are not, we've got a real mix!! Trying to sort them in to piles. I'm tempted to have a go at re-roofing the workshop myself but will probably be a year or two yet
Why did the roofer have to pay for the new ceiling and roof insulation
See previous video
I noticed you paid money for a surveyor. You should have a good legal case against them if you feel they haven't conducted their work properly.
Do seek legal advice on this if you haven't.
Lastly, That Clever bloke is a genuine nice guy!
I would have liked to have seen a video on the repacement of the ceiling. I have no knowledge of these things and it would have been a great help. Is that being selfish?
I'll cover it in my next vlog video 👍
Typical survey, just wouldn’t waste any money on a survey. Save it for the work you don’t spot is needed 😊
Dpc is cowboy compared to support trays
Surveys are a waste of money.
Paid for ours. Said unable to check inside detached garage. It was unlocked and could see it was open. Idol bugger couldn’t be bothered opening the door.
Nowhere in the description is there a link to previous videos even though you said there would be. I can't be arsed to look them up if you can't be arsed to do what you said.
I forgot. Why be so rude about it? I'll add them now
Yeah he needs a hand to finish his tower!
All interesting stuff but please add in more cat moves ( I have a cat but I still like to see others) and compair what your cat is up to against mine.
Thank you Romans 10:9-13
He did it all...
1 Corinthians 15:3-4
3 For what I received I passed on to you as of first importance: that Christ died for our sins *according to the Scriptures, *
4 that he was buried, that he was raised on the third day *according to the Scriptures,*
Now all we've gotta do is preach it!
1 Corinthians 3:11
For no one can lay any foundation other than the one already laid, which is Jesus Christ. _[and Him crucified]_
sue the surveyor
Absoultely agree about the surveys, what a con they are.
Our survey was exactly the same . Glossy comprehensive and completely useless. Missed everything we needed to know while pointing out the bloody obvious
Edit: timber work £3.5k wow. Robin would not be cheap but I can’t see him paying himself £2k per day plus £1k for Ed, after timber costs. (Both Ed and, dare I say it Robin wishes)
Re-re-roofing 😂
damn birds disturbing you with their songs
Haha! Pesky blackbird!