As a guy who trains and teaches wing chun (as a FIGHTING art), I gott say you just made a better wing chun striking video than 98% of the wc people on youtube. Love your research and how you bring it all together in your training.
I've trained Wing chun for years and thought the same. Although I left Wing chun because of the many unrealistic defences (like a block, a kick and a punch at the same time) and the archaic footwork, the punches, elbows and blocks are very effective and never failed me in sparring sessions or in the freestyle matches I fought.
One of the reason why I love your coaching videos is that when you did something wrong and other people correct it, you change your opinion and do even more research instead of faking it so that it seems you are convincing.
Jerry eh it's debatable a straight open palm is certainly effective but I think open handed wrist strikes can cause more damage in certain situations when using them as extended hooks. They take technique and skill to avoid jacking up your wrist but they connect with the bones in your forearms right on the sensitive parts of the head like the temples.
no, i mean i figured it out... MYSELF. just from basic knowledge. this guy says he loves bareknuckle strategies, which means he has at least that much knowledge.
CurvingFyre Talos GOOD FOR YOU! Now figure out how "self taught" STILL translates into the KNOWing of knowledge, and you're ready for Anderson Silva. Good grief!
from what i can make out through your incoherent sentence structure, your saying that because im partially self taught that i dont "know" these things for sure or havent learned them right. something to that effect, yes? im only an experienced and quick learning fighter who has a grasp on abstract force generation, and an excellent intuition for 3d space. theres no way those 2 knowledges could combine to create effective form. its not as if someone had to have created all these styles at one point in the past. they just appeared spontaneously.
Really nice explanation and breakdown, especially the bare knuckle - never knew that. Interesting observations on Diaz. Totally agree about boxing head movement in MMA fights, I also train in chinese kickboxing and there is some head movement but it's mainly slips and rolls - as you say, you have to be aware of the knees and kicks coming in. Love your videos!
Okinawan traditional kara te focuses so much on strengthening the grip of the hands and strength of the wrists and fingers as well as incorporating wolff's law in training of the knuckles and metacarpals is because it's a bareknuckle style of pugilism. And in many Okinawan schools, at advanced levels, the punches to the facial targets are straight (vertical fist) punches whereas the torso punches are pronating (horizontal fist) punches to protect the fists from injuries. Also, read Jack Dempsey's book Championship Fighting where he details how to punch bareknuckle and his reasons why, which as both a bareknuckle boxer and gloved boxer he reportedly never injured his hands in a bout. Bareknuckle boxers also used a maize bag, which is still in use in some boxing gyms outside of CONUS...I trained over 15years bareknuckle on the heavy bag without wraps or gloves and use a natural method that bareknuckle boxers used centuries ago and farmers used when I was growing up to harden the skin so it won't friction tear anymore. Peace be with you. Bas Rutten may know this method but if not have him P.M. me or email me and I'll share.
I never wore gloves while hitting the heavy bag. My knuckles would bleed for a while until they got conditioned, but it wasn't a big deal. The closer you can get to reality in training, is probably a good thing. Without getting injured, or injuring someone else, of course.
I also noticed that with Kicks, there is a huge difference between kicking without shoes, in a gi, vs kicking with shoes on, in a pair of jeans. It's much more difficult if you haven't practiced with street clothes.
What you are doing is called iron bone training. Basically there is something called wolfs law the more damage you to to your body the stronger it gets. A man litterally has balls stronger then iron because he constantly lets martial artist kick them. This is also how shoalin munks and muai thai martial artist(butchered the spelling) can do two very unique moves. Shoalin munks have a type of punch that does as much psi of force as getting hit by a speeding car. Interestingly when using such leathal techniques on other monks nothing happens or very little damage is apparent. Muai thai is quite literally. Constant bone on bone contact. The bones get so ridiculously strong that the practitioners natural body limiters are actually lessened in order to use more strength on an opponent.(last part is not a fact you will find anywhere but more of an observation as both an observer and a practitioner)
I think they are called jelqs? but never knew they could lift them that far up. you should try them like just 100 will do wonders and have fantastic effects other than becoming a monk
Hey Shane great video. This was a topic that had bugged me for some time, so about 10 yeras ago I started doing nice careful punches on the heavy bag bareknuckle and built up over time. Even got lots of buddies to do some sparring, still do it regularly. It's quite a different animal to gloves. What I have found so far is you need to re-define what power actually means in this context. The Diaz brothers are an amazing example of this - Flick out your jab-cross, just tap tap tap, right at the nose. The long looping hook shots - again, not too much power just connect clean with the tip of the jaw, cheekbone, behind the ear, and my favourite - the temple. The body shots is where you can really dig deep, drive right in and again, nice and quick. What tends to happen alot is one person lands a stunning hit to the head with a fast double jab, then digs in several body shots. Just as the opponent drops thier arms to defend a short hook is delivered out of nowhere and if the accuracy is on point - it's pretty unpleasant. I encourage people to do some light sparring with just wraps on. You will read online: 'You WILL break your hand only palm strikes work etc' - Just try it for yourselves in a controlled environment. My experience has been different, so I can only make a case that I think punching is an extremely effective tool to incapacitate someone, even if we are not 'designed' to deliver such strikes. Dropping the forehead down is a pretty smart move and for that reason accuracy and correct angle of attack is key. Hope you guys have some fun with it!
GM The's Shaolin Do kung-fu teaches the old school boxing stance. And encourages the 'reverse punch', which is the lead jab palm up. Didn't know McGreggy does this. Good confirmation! I've been learning boxing/MMA and love to see where the kungfu fits in.
I'm 30 and just started my love of fighting to the gym because of your videos I feel comfortable one day I'll be able to alfill my dream of fighting in the cage
The lead foot forward/arms extended bare knuckle stance would also facilitate the stepping punch that Dempsey emphasized so much, and necessitate it to develop power since you are keeping your fists straight and not "corkscrewing."
Once again your work is impeccable, well researched arranged and delivered content. One of the most interesting martial arts video producers online. Keep up the good work and thank you
Just found your channel. Great content, and right off the bat I appreciate your willingness to admit when your wrong and to have that motivate you to learn more. Seeking knowledge and conditioning your mind is just as, if not more important than conditioning your body.
Philly shell is more vulnerable able to takedowns and leg kicks cuz the stance is very side ways then wide so sprawling or checking kicks becomes harder most of the fights dustin has is his opponents try to box with him so the Philly defence works for him
4:49 you're right when you say *traditional* philly shell won't work. That being said, if you search up on RUclips Bobby Green Philly Shell MMA u can see him using the technique.. obviously adapted for MMA but still awesome to watch
That straight punch you showed for bare knuckle looks reminds me of how I throw a wing chun punch, and how you said nick Diaz walks in with extended arms reminds me of wing chun principles. Yes I’m a wing chun practitioner and yes I understand and it’s not meant for mma but I do feel some principles can be applied
They are very eerily similar to Wing Chun. Bruce Lee also used this type of approach as well - but, he was trained in Wing Chun. But on the other hand AYY Lmao has told us that Wing Chun "is shit". So, by extension Bruce Lee who studied Wing Chun and used some of the principles "is shit" as well. By the way thank you for your extensive analysis of why Wing Chun is shit, I feel more enlightened now.
@@vaughanmacegan4012 yet Bruce Lee decided wing chun wasnt nearly as effective as he'd hoped, and while his jeet kun draws a lot from wing chun its a lot more practical. Wing chun in of itself is pretty worthless
+NicSwan I've studied a lot of martial arts during my time on the planet and I've come to the conclusion that any martial art taught in the dojo is basically useless - Karate, Judo, Jujutsu, Tai Chi, boxing, White Crane (includes many Wing Chun elements and Chinese grappling), Tae Kwon Do. Every single one of them useless! If you studied White Crane for many months and you may not be able to break a simple arm grab - but, if you wait a year or more you'll be devastating. Been on the receiving end - wtf just happened. They all need to be pressure tested, setups need to be shortened, strikes need to be instantaneous, you must be prepared that your footwork won't be on a nice smooth surface, that people will be around you and there may even be multiple attackers. That is what Bruce Lee did he took on knowledge from all martial arts mostly from Wing chun finding the best approach and used the knowledge, pressure tested it and made it work - essentially by issuing challenges and by accepting them. If you walk into a Jeet Kune Do dojo you will have the same trouble learning a martial art that will work. And it's made worse by the fact that I'm over 6ft and not a small built Asian man.
+Nic Swan Muay Thai is "pressure" tested, I've seen kids as young as six competing in the ring, they know how to take a hit. I know of one group that kick crushed concrete in bags and kick bamboo as part of their training - ouch. I've never been able to train in a Muay Thai dojo so its an art that confounds me, the local Karate dojo claims that they have close ties with Muay Thai, but, other than one kata it's not even close. I don't understand how they do their roundhouse kicks so high and with such speed - it's very front on but they get the foot to hook around at the end. Its the one art that totally bamboozles me. In my training I use knee's and elbows whenever possible.
i think its not that hands are not made for punching (although its more natural to club with them, so they maybe are meant for use in hammer style), but that they also do other things, so it has more tradeoffs than the forehead, wich practically exists to be a shield for the brain and nothing else.
its not that they aren't meant for punching its just that they are usually supposed to be wielding a weapon like a rock or some shit in the old ages, but if you don't have anything then they can punch, but a hand vs a forehead which is only serving as a shield will lose
No they're definitely not designed for punching. You *can* use your hands to that end obviously but human hands are specifically for grasping and manipulating. Humans are kinda crappy when it comes to natural attacks but we rock at running long distances and having big creative brains.
You can definitely fight. But your hands weren't made for writing, drawing sculpting or whatever else you said. Your hands evolved to climb and forage. Nothing on our body was 'made' for anything. Our bodies have adapted to things. And the body parts that best fit the tasks that benefited survival, got put back into the gene pool for re-production. None of this negates the fact that, home boy can fight. Great vid.
"Philly shell" in mma: In regards to kicks just look at Samart or Somrak Khamsing, who also often stand bladed with low hands. And for takedowns, it is important to note how the bladed position and feet position is not that different from an old school wrestling stance. Also low lead allows easier underhooks. The philly shell is also close to old time boxing stances which where used against wrestling and many old boxers trained with wrestlers. Apart from mendoza who did something weird most oldtimers did fight with a bladed stances and the weight on the back foot, just like in the "Philly shell". Finally check out Bobby Greene, an MMA fighter who shoulder rolls a lot. In MMA fights.
Eh again ffs. Bare knuckle boxers recommended to strike with last 3 knuckles, while middle two (middle and ring finger) absorbs most of the impact > Championship Fighting by Jack Dempsey. And I think boxing fracture comes mostly from horizontal hook, because then risk of hitting with pinky only is highest. Not while doing punches with bottom three knuckles and keeping fist vertical/diagonal, its pretty hard to hit only with pinky while doing this. I wonder when you discover Dempsey's book ... come on
Laserowy Kuba This is the most comfortable position for me. When I hit the bag with bare knuckles with first two like I do with gloves it hurts my wrist more and I'm not even throwing with power.
Very interesting and educational. Regarding the palm up straight punches, while they do help tucking your arms in, you do lose the twisting action of a jab and cross. Perhaps with Queensbury rules, boxers can afford to add more power into the punches. Also about punching with an open hand, it can help increasing punch acceleration. I teach my students to imagine you try to catch a falling leaf with your hand, meaning you grasp at the very moment prior to making impact. This technique was taught by Bruce Lee and you can try it out to see the difference yourself.
Yeah me too, what i've learned in WC, i found it here lmao, actually, throwing a punch without contracting hand muscle is not only "safer" for the hand, but it also deliver a lot more speed and power to the punch, it's really surprising and easy to do :D (sorry for the poor english)
I was about to ask if any one has noticed the similarities between wc and early bare knuckle. I always tried to make my wc compliment what i thought about boxing as more often than not 20 years ago if you got into a street fight with someone who had some skills it was usually a boxer. Its ironic that wc has more appeal to me now as its balanced foot work and bare hand traing is probably more usefull now against mma practitioners. Not saying traditional wc is the be all and end all, but i do think based on what was demonstrated in this video its aspects could be very useful
There are similarities but the differences are what limits WC. From what I know of WC, as I have been interested in it in the past, is that the style limits both force and range through not utilizing hip and shoulder rotation for power. in the video you can see that even though he's not emphasizing power he's still at least using hip rotation to increase power and range. Also the vertical knuckle style of the punches is actually harder to align than a typical boxing punch at least in relation to the wrist leading to it being more likely for injuries especially against an active moving opponent. Full disclosure is that my background is in TKD with some of the fundamentals of kickboxing thrown in.
Depends on how the WC is taught and applied. It pretty much goes out of its way to emphasise hip rotation as a way of delivering power from the second form onward. Granted it doesn't generate power from the shoulder its more bout the kinetic link from the floor hip and elbow. Also there is the long bridge for range although the system is largely geared towards closer range then boxing. Check out Alan Orr on youtube, he trains his fighters wing chun striking and BJJ for the ground game. I think they are pretty successful MMA fighting team.
Thank you for the vids and advice. I typically go bare knuckle with my heavy bag as it’s always just been more convenient. It may also have something to do with my roots in Isshinryu. I’m curious about your take on the prize fighter punching techniques compared to. Baz Ruten’s. As I recall, he does sort of a palm heel rather than a punch when striking out from the prize fighter stance.
Good analysis. Being an older MMA fan I remember buying the UFC's when they came out on VHS. People who never saw them dont understand one of the biggest frustrations of the old tournament format, scratches. Fighter after fighter would scratch because of broken hands. Then Tank came on the scene wearing 4oz gloves and everything changed.
Hey Shane! I've seen you fight in person, you are the real deal. I really like your videos, you make this stuff interesting, A lot of guys seem to want to prove something, even enjoy hurting weaker less skilled people, or go into heavy and dark talk about self defense, Your videos really make me just want to fight more out of simple interest in the subject! no need to to kill people, lets sharpen our skills, try new things, practice practice practice, and get better. Fighting can be fun and interesting, and you prove it. Thx man.
Dear Shane I am 15 years old and I can't balance my social life and my fighting life plus my school life. Maybe you can make a video on it thanks Shane keeok up the good work
If you're training in the evenings you could just train, come home, shower, eat and then study for an hour or 2. Do that on weekdays. And then on the weekend it's probably best to give your body a rest from training (light jog maybe) but you could just study and hang out with your friends on the weekend.
Fuck social life, you can always get new friends, goes double for getting new girlfriends. Focus on school and fighting, you'll thank yourself, when ya do.
+fightTIPS Nate done some really slow pad work on youtube but Andre Ward said he more than matched him in sparring Diaz vs Conor in a boxing ring?! The long uppercut you threw seemed harder than Conor`s! His punches seem pushed is that what you were saying about Diaz because Virgil Hunter said before the Floyd fight that`s why Conor would lose! Plus his model`s body was the fighters curse have you ever heard stuff about a fragile trunk on a boxer?
i still hate wearing them. sure i can hit harder but it takes away all the skill. you can just rocket punches no form no worry. I've gotten a boxers fracture for doing that on a heavy bag.
If you do pure fist you probably have very weak punches. Most beginners can get away with punching without gloves or wraps but the moment you learn to punch with power you'll be begging for them.
Sayto Ayala youll develope micro fracturea through you hands the same as a tai boxers shins you just have to make sure you htting with you two big knuckles and takenyour time conditioning your hands
I think those 1700's bareknuckle fighters would show MMA a thing or two. They wouldn't dominate or anything but they'd definitely earn some respect and introduce some new techniques.
I keep one arm in front and one in the pit, so I can come down and block with the one in front, jab with it, and lead into grapples and chokeholds. I also have my left leg in front, for some weird reason I kick better with my left leg, and punch harder with my right. I write with my right, and use my left for kicking. This makes front kicks and jabs no problem for me, and I can twist my body back and kick at an upward angle towards the ribs, doing a lot of damage. I always keep the one foot crooked on the ground when kicking just to generate some extra power, don’t right I can probably break through plywood, I will be striking with my foot down by the ankle, or I’ll use the bottom part of my shins to push the ribs in, to generate as much pain as possible, so I can follow up with a counter if the opponent is bent down, or the foot put him on the ground. All o have to do is step back with my left, then swing. Maybe right after jabbing the jaw, or focusing on punches making him focus on my hands.
The idea that our hands weren't designed to punch isn't entirely true. There is a theory in evolutionary biology that the hands did evolve to throw punches, or at the very least were evolving to be able to do so. We are the only primates that can form our hands into a fist in the first place, and when this appeared in the fossil reccord, our cheek, brow and jaw bones thickened as well. However we started using tools and ours knuckles and skulls lost bone density.
Daniel Roque Haha not quite, although in retrospect I almost wish I had said that. What I'm talking about is natural selection. Say for example if fish for whatever reason could get something that they needed out of the water, every now and then you'd have a fish who could survive out of the water for a little while. These fish after getting what they need have a better chance of survival than the fish that didn't, and as a result they are able to have more children who all have a higher chance of surviving out of the water for a while (like Mudskippers, no excuses lol) than the fish who didn't have access to these resources and end up out breeding them. Say whatever this resource is that improves chances of survival, there is even more if it on or in trees; well the same logic would apply. This process would go on until some fish could climb trees after many generations of evolution. However say one day this resource for whatever reason becomes more plentyful back in the water and they stop climbing these trees. They wouldn't loose the features that alowed them to climb trees over night, they'd only loose it quickly if it caused them to be at a competitive disadvantage against those rare mutants who weren't as good at climbing trees. Never the less one way or another over time these features that allow for tree climbing will end up getting weaker over the generations even if they maintain their shape. And in this analogy our fists although they roughly retain the shape originonally optimized for punching, they became less durable ofer the generations as we began relying on tools for combat.
Another valid point is the knuckles enter the eye socket much easier when throwing straight punches with the hands turned around in the old style like a kung fu punch, old school boxers used finger strikes and fore knuckle strikes to blind their opponents, these strikes are all thought in karate and traditional martial arts. Blind someone with what looked like a punch then finish him off quickly, it's dirty but an easy days work.
I just wanna say your fighting Irish video wasn't entirely incorrect. Just incomplete. The techniques you showed *were* accurate, but they were accurate for the Irish tradition of bare knuckle boxing rather than the British pugialism tradition
I am by no means trained to any extended level but I was always taught to keep my elbows close like that and if you have Flex in your knees and you keep your chin down, when your posture is correct with your elbows drawn in a protect your liver and your spleen. Also dipping and ducking and slipping strikes feels a little more natural because you're already somewhat crouched, and if you have to absorb a hit to the body you already are in a position to basically check it. That Stance you're talking about utilizes the cross defense where your left hand can defend your left side and strike and your right hand can defend straight for your right side making it so that regardless of the stance your opponent theres there's a balance. when you strike with your hands open like that it increases the blood flow and warms your body up a lot better it's just like when you run you can actually run a little bit faster with your hands open, try it. I used to always say that I had trouble balancing speed and power I can be unbelievably fast but I won't strike very hard and I can also hit very hard but it's much slower. I'm so sorry about your friend's son. :(
Baxhar Al "Why is the head *made* to get punched?" If anyone didnt quite understand what we said. To answer your question, it's well not necessarily designed to specific get punched haha correct but incorrect at the same time. It's designed to protect the most valuable thing in our body ,the brain. However there are some weakness to it like any part of our body's anatomy. The top and front of the skull is the strongest but weak spots like temple, back of the ear and head are very vulnerable.
0:40 calling him simply a "bare knuckle prize fighter" is a massive understatement. He literally invented the sport as we know it. He was one of the only jewish boxers around his time, which was huge, given the purvasive stereotypes about jewish people being weak that still persist today. More importantly, he was the single best fighter of his time period. So much so that he got an audience with the queen herself. That never happened with jewish people. They were treated like trash by the ruling classes of europe ever since they started living in europe. The idea of a jewish ghetto wasn’t something hitler came up with. And yet Daniel actually got an audience with the queen. He is THE goat of boxing. Hands down.
Many fighters follow the rule soft to hard hard to soft were they use the open palm when they hit the head or hard part of the body and use a fist when hitting the stomach and soft parts of the body this is because when hitting the head a knockout is caused by head suddenly spining around. This quick motion of causes trauma to the brain that knocks the person out do using a closed and open fist doesn't matter to much when hitting the head enless you are trying to inflict pain
6:23 when you find out club penguin has been cancelled.
Sir Zamora OMG! Club Penguin doesn't exist anymore?😯😯
yeah it got shut down not that long ago did you not hear?
Pancake Society Omg! Nooo
Perfect 😂😂
you ever played toontown?
Massive respect to you for making this video!
Pugilism for the win.
So much interesting stuff!!!
@@nicolemakropoulos98 so damn disrespectful
To avoid damaging my hands I usually just throw evil glares at my opponent... seems to work.
Solar beam seems to be pretty effective for me. 😂😂😂
Is that your war face?
Dojutsu
He's just being facetious bro. Just go grab another red bull and chill....
I like to run away to avoid charges. Yours also good though
As a guy who trains and teaches wing chun (as a FIGHTING art), I gott say you just made a better wing chun striking video than 98% of the wc people on youtube. Love your research and how you bring it all together in your training.
I've trained Wing chun for years and thought the same. Although I left Wing chun because of the many unrealistic defences (like a block, a kick and a punch at the same time) and the archaic footwork, the punches, elbows and blocks are very effective and never failed me in sparring sessions or in the freestyle matches I fought.
fight me shane
Shane knows how you fight man, don't try to beat this guy, cause you won't.
20 bucks says Daniel Mendoza could whip Floyd Mayweathers ass
Matt he’s obviously dead. But if he was alive he’d whoop his ass.
Anyone should take a fight with that man, its like being handed a blank check
Matt Daniel would make Floyd his bitch
I like how Shane chose a regular pic of himself but a jacked af pic of marcus😂😂
One of the reason why I love your coaching videos is that when you did something wrong and other people correct it, you change your opinion and do even more research instead of faking it so that it seems you are convincing.
6:23 when you tell her turkey but she put ham on your sandwich.
6:23 when a bee flies past you
+Tony Hunter LOL
Wtf lol
Best open hand strike is a nice slap, with the palm aimed at the chin
Jerry eh it's debatable a straight open palm is certainly effective but I think open handed wrist strikes can cause more damage in certain situations when using them as extended hooks. They take technique and skill to avoid jacking up your wrist but they connect with the bones in your forearms right on the sensitive parts of the head like the temples.
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search bas rutten on youtube and you'll see how gay open palm strikes are
Bas never used the palms for the damage shots, he explains that himself.
@@samuellecalvez6699 still gay.
4:27 dab hahahahahaha noice shane
Democrats are cunts you are more gay
Wow, this was fascinating. I love bareknuckle strategies. I had never seen that "long uppercut" before!
you... havent? i figured that out on my own while doing improvisation drills in between martial arts club semesters.
CurvingFyre Talos and before then, you didn't know about it... see how that works?
no, i mean i figured it out... MYSELF. just from basic knowledge. this guy says he loves bareknuckle strategies, which means he has at least that much knowledge.
CurvingFyre Talos GOOD FOR YOU! Now figure out how "self taught" STILL translates into the KNOWing of knowledge, and you're ready for Anderson Silva. Good grief!
from what i can make out through your incoherent sentence structure, your saying that because im partially self taught that i dont "know" these things for sure or havent learned them right. something to that effect, yes? im only an experienced and quick learning fighter who has a grasp on abstract force generation, and an excellent intuition for 3d space. theres no way those 2 knowledges could combine to create effective form. its not as if someone had to have created all these styles at one point in the past. they just appeared spontaneously.
6:23 when cocaine hits you hard.
That's the sound that Manny makes.
You've obviously never done coke then.
xD
😂😂😂
unlockthepower no sir you obviously haven't lmfao
Holy shit Shane is actually a fighter
Malik Roman no
Truck Driver 101 bruh really
no shit
Obviously and from what I've seen he's a good fighter aswell
Truck Driver 101 he has a few of his fights on youtube
Really nice explanation and breakdown, especially the bare knuckle - never knew that. Interesting observations on Diaz. Totally agree about boxing head movement in MMA fights, I also train in chinese kickboxing and there is some head movement but it's mainly slips and rolls - as you say, you have to be aware of the knees and kicks coming in.
Love your videos!
Okinawan traditional kara te focuses so much on strengthening the grip of the hands and strength of the wrists and fingers as well as incorporating wolff's law in training of the knuckles and metacarpals is because it's a bareknuckle style of pugilism. And in many Okinawan schools, at advanced levels, the punches to the facial targets are straight (vertical fist) punches whereas the torso punches are pronating (horizontal fist) punches to protect the fists from injuries. Also, read Jack Dempsey's book Championship Fighting where he details how to punch bareknuckle and his reasons why, which as both a bareknuckle boxer and gloved boxer he reportedly never injured his hands in a bout. Bareknuckle boxers also used a maize bag, which is still in use in some boxing gyms outside of CONUS...I trained over 15years bareknuckle on the heavy bag without wraps or gloves and use a natural method that bareknuckle boxers used centuries ago and farmers used when I was growing up to harden the skin so it won't friction tear anymore. Peace be with you. Bas Rutten may know this method but if not have him P.M. me or email me and I'll share.
I never wore gloves while hitting the heavy bag. My knuckles would bleed for a while until they got conditioned, but it wasn't a big deal. The closer you can get to reality in training, is probably a good thing. Without getting injured, or injuring someone else, of course.
I also noticed that with Kicks, there is a huge difference between kicking without shoes, in a gi, vs kicking with shoes on, in a pair of jeans. It's much more difficult if you haven't practiced with street clothes.
Sheep Whisperer So true about the kicking!
What you are doing is called iron bone training. Basically there is something called wolfs law the more damage you to to your body the stronger it gets. A man litterally has balls stronger then iron because he constantly lets martial artist kick them. This is also how shoalin munks and muai thai martial artist(butchered the spelling) can do two very unique moves. Shoalin munks have a type of punch that does as much psi of force as getting hit by a speeding car. Interestingly when using such leathal techniques on other monks nothing happens or very little damage is apparent.
Muai thai is quite literally. Constant bone on bone contact. The bones get so ridiculously strong that the practitioners natural body limiters are actually lessened in order to use more strength on an opponent.(last part is not a fact you will find anywhere but more of an observation as both an observer and a practitioner)
Jacob Tellone Actually Shaolin Monks can contract their testicles. It takes a lot of training still but they are just contracted into the body.
I think they are called jelqs? but never knew they could lift them that far up. you should try them like just 100 will do wonders and have fantastic effects other than becoming a monk
Making something break their hands on your face is the absolute perfect microcosm of the Diaz brothers fighting
"have a feeling its gonna sell out cause everybody wants to see me fight" love the self confidence. much love :)
+Asushi Amv just based off of the comments I read 😁
huge fan man thanks for replying
Hey Shane great video. This was a topic that had bugged me for some time, so about 10 yeras ago I started doing nice careful punches on the heavy bag bareknuckle and built up over time. Even got lots of buddies to do some sparring, still do it regularly. It's quite a different animal to gloves. What I have found so far is you need to re-define what power actually means in this context. The Diaz brothers are an amazing example of this - Flick out your jab-cross, just tap tap tap, right at the nose. The long looping hook shots - again, not too much power just connect clean with the tip of the jaw, cheekbone, behind the ear, and my favourite - the temple. The body shots is where you can really dig deep, drive right in and again, nice and quick. What tends to happen alot is one person lands a stunning hit to the head with a fast double jab, then digs in several body shots. Just as the opponent drops thier arms to defend a short hook is delivered out of nowhere and if the accuracy is on point - it's pretty unpleasant. I encourage people to do some light sparring with just wraps on. You will read online: 'You WILL break your hand only palm strikes work etc' - Just try it for yourselves in a controlled environment. My experience has been different, so I can only make a case that I think punching is an extremely effective tool to incapacitate someone, even if we are not 'designed' to deliver such strikes. Dropping the forehead down is a pretty smart move and for that reason accuracy and correct angle of attack is key. Hope you guys have some fun with it!
I always learn something new when I watch fightTIPS videos. You're awesome Shane!
GM The's Shaolin Do kung-fu teaches the old school boxing stance. And encourages the 'reverse punch', which is the lead jab palm up. Didn't know McGreggy does this. Good confirmation! I've been learning boxing/MMA and love to see where the kungfu fits in.
I'm 30 and just started my love of fighting to the gym because of your videos I feel comfortable one day I'll be able to alfill my dream of fighting in the cage
Hope you've made progress in the past 2 years!
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@@gaminghunt5837 i wanna know if he already had his debut
The lead foot forward/arms extended bare knuckle stance would also facilitate the stepping punch that Dempsey emphasized so much, and necessitate it to develop power since you are keeping your fists straight and not "corkscrewing."
Yeah, we get see Shane fight live!
yup
20 bucks says Daniel Mendoza could whip Floyd Mayweathers ass
Did he win?
Interesting video btw
Please do a updated version on the peekaboo style. Great video btw really enjoyed it.
Dalton F yes
Once again your work is impeccable, well researched arranged and delivered content. One of the most interesting martial arts video producers online. Keep up the good work and thank you
I like the fact you are searching the old to understand the new. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for sharing, I've always wanted to know how the old-time bare-knuckle fighters fought.
Just saw you in a Dave & Busters ad. Hell yeah man you've come so far!
Just found your channel. Great content, and right off the bat I appreciate your willingness to admit when your wrong and to have that motivate you to learn more. Seeking knowledge and conditioning your mind is just as, if not more important than conditioning your body.
Loved the lack of jump cuts in this video Shane. Felt very natural.
Shane: "Philly shell wouldn't work in mma"
*Dustin Porier has entered the chat*
Philly shell is more vulnerable able to takedowns and leg kicks cuz the stance is very side ways then wide so sprawling or checking kicks becomes harder most of the fights dustin has is his opponents try to box with him so the Philly defence works for him
Man I remember your super old videos when I was a kid, you've come so far! =)
4:49 you're right when you say *traditional* philly shell won't work. That being said, if you search up on RUclips Bobby Green Philly Shell MMA u can see him using the technique.. obviously adapted for MMA but still awesome to watch
Cherish these last few moments of clear thought after a few fights they gone.
That straight punch you showed for bare knuckle looks reminds me of how I throw a wing chun punch, and how you said nick Diaz walks in with extended arms reminds me of wing chun principles.
Yes I’m a wing chun practitioner and yes I understand and it’s not meant for mma but I do feel some principles can be applied
They are very eerily similar to Wing Chun. Bruce Lee also used this type of approach as well - but, he was trained in Wing Chun. But on the other hand AYY Lmao has told us that Wing Chun "is shit". So, by extension Bruce Lee who studied Wing Chun and used some of the principles "is shit" as well. By the way thank you for your extensive analysis of why Wing Chun is shit, I feel more enlightened now.
@FAT cat IP man? Lmao wing chun aint shit
@@vaughanmacegan4012 yet Bruce Lee decided wing chun wasnt nearly as effective as he'd hoped, and while his jeet kun draws a lot from wing chun its a lot more practical. Wing chun in of itself is pretty worthless
+NicSwan
I've studied a lot of martial arts during my time on the planet and I've come to the conclusion that any martial art taught in the dojo is basically useless - Karate, Judo, Jujutsu, Tai Chi, boxing, White Crane (includes many Wing Chun elements and Chinese grappling), Tae Kwon Do. Every single one of them useless! If you studied White Crane for many months and you may not be able to break a simple arm grab - but, if you wait a year or more you'll be devastating. Been on the receiving end - wtf just happened. They all need to be pressure tested, setups need to be shortened, strikes need to be instantaneous, you must be prepared that your footwork won't be on a nice smooth surface, that people will be around you and there may even be multiple attackers. That is what Bruce Lee did he took on knowledge from all martial arts mostly from Wing chun finding the best approach and used the knowledge, pressure tested it and made it work - essentially by issuing challenges and by accepting them. If you walk into a Jeet Kune Do dojo you will have the same trouble learning a martial art that will work. And it's made worse by the fact that I'm over 6ft and not a small built Asian man.
+Nic Swan
Muay Thai is "pressure" tested, I've seen kids as young as six competing in the ring, they know how to take a hit. I know of one group that kick crushed concrete in bags and kick bamboo as part of their training - ouch. I've never been able to train in a Muay Thai dojo so its an art that confounds me, the local Karate dojo claims that they have close ties with Muay Thai, but, other than one kata it's not even close. I don't understand how they do their roundhouse kicks so high and with such speed - it's very front on but they get the foot to hook around at the end. Its the one art that totally bamboozles me. In my training I use knee's and elbows whenever possible.
A true teacher and student of fighting I have ever seen on video. Keep up the good work...
Rory MacDonald uses a bare knuckle block. Shut down Woodley's overhand right so basically all of his strikes.
PrâttøŸ K. Shay I've always loved that technique!
PrâttøŸ K. Shay why doesn't anyone use a southpaw version of Rory's high guard on McGregor?
Hahaha sad but true, he's like one punch man bruh
Shane will go far in life bc he acknowledges that he was wrong, and then learns from it. Awsome guy. Awsome vid series
i hate that the hands are not made for punching it makes me question fighting in general..
Jose Blaze I totally feel you there, but that's why grappling is cool. We can use our hands intricate pieces to our advantage
i think its not that hands are not made for punching (although its more natural to club with them, so they maybe are meant for use in hammer style), but that they also do other things, so it has more tradeoffs than the forehead, wich practically exists to be a shield for the brain and nothing else.
okdghd very true. Hands were made to craft not club. But wristraps and some padding do a good job of making up for it
its not that they aren't meant for punching its just that they are usually supposed to be wielding a weapon like a rock or some shit in the old ages, but if you don't have anything then they can punch, but a hand vs a forehead which is only serving as a shield will lose
No they're definitely not designed for punching. You *can* use your hands to that end obviously but human hands are specifically for grasping and manipulating. Humans are kinda crappy when it comes to natural attacks but we rock at running long distances and having big creative brains.
This kind of stuff is why Im here man.
Keep up the good work!
Great video as always Shane! Been with your channel for around 5 years, and I'll keep watching for many more :)
Daniel Carvalho ?
Daniel Carvalho wrong person
Shadow boxing with ur hands open is relaxing, the more relaxed you are the sharper you are!
You can definitely fight. But your hands weren't made for writing, drawing sculpting or whatever else you said. Your hands evolved to climb and forage. Nothing on our body was 'made' for anything. Our bodies have adapted to things. And the body parts that best fit the tasks that benefited survival, got put back into the gene pool for re-production. None of this negates the fact that, home boy can fight. Great vid.
one of the best videos youve made. I love your channel
Nice martial arts video Shane
"Philly shell" in mma: In regards to kicks just look at Samart or Somrak Khamsing, who also often stand bladed with low hands.
And for takedowns, it is important to note how the bladed position and feet position is not that different from an old school wrestling stance. Also low lead allows easier underhooks.
The philly shell is also close to old time boxing stances which where used against wrestling and many old boxers trained with wrestlers. Apart from mendoza who did something weird most oldtimers did fight with a bladed stances and the weight on the back foot, just like in the "Philly shell".
Finally check out Bobby Greene, an MMA fighter who shoulder rolls a lot. In MMA fights.
Eh again ffs. Bare knuckle boxers recommended to strike with last 3 knuckles, while middle two (middle and ring finger) absorbs most of the impact > Championship Fighting by Jack Dempsey. And I think boxing fracture comes mostly from horizontal hook, because then risk of hitting with pinky only is highest. Not while doing punches with bottom three knuckles and keeping fist vertical/diagonal, its pretty hard to hit only with pinky while doing this. I wonder when you discover Dempsey's book ... come on
Laserowy Kuba This is the most comfortable position for me. When I hit the bag with bare knuckles with first two like I do with gloves it hurts my wrist more and I'm not even throwing with power.
Gold, 'nuff said. Good Luck on the fight Mr. Fazen, you know we rooting for you.
Trying to learn how to drop my ex
Aubrey xo Don’t worry about him, you’re too beautiful and smart for the violence. Leave that to the meat heads😏😉
Being cheated on is not nice 😩
They drop you first or what?
Not worth it a angered man can't be stopped unless your trained what if you drop him he gets mad blacks your eye out of rage
Have you ever trained in your life or even gotten into a fight experience is key
Very interesting and educational. Regarding the palm up straight punches, while they do help tucking your arms in, you do lose the twisting action of a jab and cross. Perhaps with Queensbury rules, boxers can afford to add more power into the punches.
Also about punching with an open hand, it can help increasing punch acceleration. I teach my students to imagine you try to catch a falling leaf with your hand, meaning you grasp at the very moment prior to making impact. This technique was taught by Bruce Lee and you can try it out to see the difference yourself.
Kinda reminds me of wing chun's approach to boxing
Yeah me too, what i've learned in WC, i found it here lmao, actually, throwing a punch without contracting hand muscle is not only "safer" for the hand, but it also deliver a lot more speed and power to the punch, it's really surprising and easy to do :D (sorry for the poor english)
HUGE similarities
I was about to ask if any one has noticed the similarities between wc and early bare knuckle.
I always tried to make my wc compliment what i thought about boxing as more often than not 20 years ago if you got into a street fight with someone who had some skills it was usually a boxer. Its ironic that wc has more appeal to me now as its balanced foot work and bare hand traing is probably more usefull now against mma practitioners. Not saying traditional wc is the be all and end all, but i do think based on what was demonstrated in this video its aspects could be very useful
There are similarities but the differences are what limits WC. From what I know of WC, as I have been interested in it in the past, is that the style limits both force and range through not utilizing hip and shoulder rotation for power. in the video you can see that even though he's not emphasizing power he's still at least using hip rotation to increase power and range. Also the vertical knuckle style of the punches is actually harder to align than a typical boxing punch at least in relation to the wrist leading to it being more likely for injuries especially against an active moving opponent. Full disclosure is that my background is in TKD with some of the fundamentals of kickboxing thrown in.
Depends on how the WC is taught and applied. It pretty much goes out of its way to emphasise hip rotation as a way of delivering power from the second form onward. Granted it doesn't generate power from the shoulder its more bout the kinetic link from the floor hip and elbow. Also there is the long bridge for range although the system is largely geared towards closer range then boxing. Check out Alan Orr on youtube, he trains his fighters wing chun striking and BJJ for the ground game. I think they are pretty successful MMA fighting team.
Lots of respect to you Shane for admitting you were wrong and correcting your mistakes, you're a true martial artist ;)
Thank you for the vids and advice. I typically go bare knuckle with my heavy bag as it’s always just been more convenient. It may also have something to do with my roots in Isshinryu.
I’m curious about your take on the prize fighter punching techniques compared to. Baz Ruten’s. As I recall, he does sort of a palm heel rather than a punch when striking out from the prize fighter stance.
Good analysis. Being an older MMA fan I remember buying the UFC's when they came out on VHS. People who never saw them dont understand one of the biggest frustrations of the old tournament format, scratches. Fighter after fighter would scratch because of broken hands.
Then Tank came on the scene wearing 4oz gloves and everything changed.
Bobby Green uses the philly shell in mma pretty good
Mark Fortune lol
Mark Fortune ye I saw that match, but against a better fighter, he'd pay for using that stance, he even tried shoulder rolling, lol
its a modified philly shell not a full on boxing one. Any stance can be used well if slightly modified and only used in situations when its best.
Shiulder rill and Philly shell are not the same guard
NaziAssUtube dude you sound so fucking dumb and racist lol. ANY fuckin way, aside from your dumbass comment.... Love me some Bobby Green
One of the best classical pugilism videos I've seen
Do you have a video on diets? Would like to see a fighters diet video.
Hey Shane! I've seen you fight in person, you are the real deal. I really like your videos, you make this stuff interesting, A lot of guys seem to want to prove something, even enjoy hurting weaker less skilled people, or go into heavy and dark talk about self defense, Your videos really make me just want to fight more out of simple interest in the subject! no need to to kill people, lets sharpen our skills, try new things, practice practice practice, and get better. Fighting can be fun and interesting, and you prove it. Thx man.
4:26 Did he really sneak in a dab in a fight tips video? okay
let me just say that you have a talent for making these videos man! They are done soo good and this one was very very interesting!
Dear Shane I am 15 years old and I can't balance my social life and my fighting life plus my school life. Maybe you can make a video on it thanks Shane keeok up the good work
Big Boss haha Same Here but I am 21
Fuck social life,focus on your studies and fighting.
If you're training in the evenings you could just train, come home, shower, eat and then study for an hour or 2. Do that on weekdays. And then on the weekend it's probably best to give your body a rest from training (light jog maybe) but you could just study and hang out with your friends on the weekend.
Balance achieved
Fuck social life, you can always get new friends, goes double for getting new girlfriends.
Focus on school and fighting, you'll thank yourself, when ya do.
This was amazing, good vid! Lots of thoughts for the lab!
bobby green uses the philly style. watch his latest fight awesome
True martial scholar! I'll admit, I'm a HEMA practitioner, and I always thought that olde timey pugilism was bullshit. THANK YOU for clearing my bias.
Fight me shane
+Artem Lobov the GOAT!
+fightTIPS Nate done some really slow pad work on youtube but Andre Ward said he more than matched him in sparring Diaz vs Conor in a boxing ring?! The long uppercut you threw seemed harder than Conor`s! His punches seem pushed is that what you were saying about Diaz because Virgil Hunter said before the Floyd fight that`s why Conor would lose! Plus his model`s body was the fighters curse have you ever heard stuff about a fragile trunk on a boxer?
Artem Lobov no way artem,no blocks punches with their head like you can
Great analysis! Very sorry to hear about your friend’s son. My condolences.
kids if you are gonna hit the heavy bag without gloves at least use wraps, your wrists will thankyou when your 40
ryama 86 yea that's what I was thinking also in the long run your hands be crap
What's wraps?
Nick ty for all them classic fight
Hey Shane, can you make a video on what you think of older more traditional martial arts versus maybe boxing or kickboxing? Thanks
Hey Shane, I really enjoyed watching this longer, more in depth video. Very awesome!
HEMA
StairwayToAsgard Historical European Martial Arts! Whoo!
StairwayToAsgard did Varg bring you here?
Uniteeee!!!
Hollandse Eenheid Maatschappij Amsterdam?
Fabrizio Garreta Varg is great.
Really appreciate all of the history lessons. Keep them comin'!
Bobby Green used a philly shell in MMA fights.
PrâttøŸ K. Shay youtubes this matter*
ruclips.net/video/NOh3smkhaes/видео.html
6:23 when you open the fridge but somebody took the last snack pack.
I've been going bare knuckle on the heavy bag since i was 12 lol got my first pair of gloves when i was 18
i still hate wearing them. sure i can hit harder but it takes away all the skill. you can just rocket punches no form no worry. I've gotten a boxers fracture for doing that on a heavy bag.
If you do pure fist you probably have very weak punches. Most beginners can get away with punching without gloves or wraps but the moment you learn to punch with power you'll be begging for them.
Sayto Ayala youll develope micro fracturea through you hands the same as a tai boxers shins you just have to make sure you htting with you two big knuckles and takenyour time conditioning your hands
well I've hit the bag hard and what i would get is my knuckles burn and bleed a little,no internal damage just nasty looking fists
Way to go, Shane!
I wish all other RUclipsrs fighters could do they homework as you did.
Knowledge bombs dropped...debris...everywhere...
🙏🙏🙏
Shane your a humble dude, respect. Good on you for the charity fight. All the best
I think those 1700's bareknuckle fighters would show MMA a thing or two. They wouldn't dominate or anything but they'd definitely earn some respect and introduce some new techniques.
I keep one arm in front and one in the pit, so I can come down and block with the one in front, jab with it, and lead into grapples and chokeholds. I also have my left leg in front, for some weird reason I kick better with my left leg, and punch harder with my right. I write with my right, and use my left for kicking. This makes front kicks and jabs no problem for me, and I can twist my body back and kick at an upward angle towards the ribs, doing a lot of damage. I always keep the one foot crooked on the ground when kicking just to generate some extra power, don’t right I can probably break through plywood, I will be striking with my foot down by the ankle, or I’ll use the bottom part of my shins to push the ribs in, to generate as much pain as possible, so I can follow up with a counter if the opponent is bent down, or the foot put him on the ground. All o have to do is step back with my left, then swing. Maybe right after jabbing the jaw, or focusing on punches making him focus on my hands.
The idea that our hands weren't designed to punch isn't entirely true. There is a theory in evolutionary biology that the hands did evolve to throw punches, or at the very least were evolving to be able to do so.
We are the only primates that can form our hands into a fist in the first place, and when this appeared in the fossil reccord, our cheek, brow and jaw bones thickened as well. However we started using tools and ours knuckles and skulls lost bone density.
+IndigoXYZ18 Very interesting stuff! Definitely gonna look into this -- thank you!
but yea too bad theres no such thing as evolution we all were created from the dust of the ground
makes sense
PorraCarlaho lol, you sound scared.
Daniel Roque Haha not quite, although in retrospect I almost wish I had said that. What I'm talking about is natural selection. Say for example if fish for whatever reason could get something that they needed out of the water, every now and then you'd have a fish who could survive out of the water for a little while. These fish after getting what they need have a better chance of survival than the fish that didn't, and as a result they are able to have more children who all have a higher chance of surviving out of the water for a while (like Mudskippers, no excuses lol) than the fish who didn't have access to these resources and end up out breeding them. Say whatever this resource is that improves chances of survival, there is even more if it on or in trees; well the same logic would apply. This process would go on until some fish could climb trees after many generations of evolution. However say one day this resource for whatever reason becomes more plentyful back in the water and they stop climbing these trees. They wouldn't loose the features that alowed them to climb trees over night, they'd only loose it quickly if it caused them to be at a competitive disadvantage against those rare mutants who weren't as good at climbing trees. Never the less one way or another over time these features that allow for tree climbing will end up getting weaker over the generations even if they maintain their shape. And in this analogy our fists although they roughly retain the shape originonally optimized for punching, they became less durable ofer the generations as we began relying on tools for combat.
Another valid point is the knuckles enter the eye socket much easier when throwing straight punches with the hands turned around in the old style like a kung fu punch, old school boxers used finger strikes and fore knuckle strikes to blind their opponents, these strikes are all thought in karate and traditional martial arts. Blind someone with what looked like a punch then finish him off quickly, it's dirty but an easy days work.
I just wanna say your fighting Irish video wasn't entirely incorrect. Just incomplete. The techniques you showed *were* accurate, but they were accurate for the Irish tradition of bare knuckle boxing rather than the British pugialism tradition
Really interesting video Shane, a lot of cool topics that you covered!
Why are u not in the ufc?
He's not interested in going pro, he's happy with coaching and exhibition matches
Because they get paid shit for what they do.
Austin Cook Shane is fine making that youtube money
Headstone well someone's insecure.
WormChemistry How am I insecure for not wanting Shawn to get beat up!?
I am by no means trained to any extended level but I was always taught to keep my elbows close like that and if you have Flex in your knees and you keep your chin down, when your posture is correct with your elbows drawn in a protect your liver and your spleen. Also dipping and ducking and slipping strikes feels a little more natural because you're already somewhat crouched, and if you have to absorb a hit to the body you already are in a position to basically check it.
That Stance you're talking about utilizes the cross defense where your left hand can defend your left side and strike and your right hand can defend straight for your right side making it so that regardless of the stance your opponent theres there's a balance.
when you strike with your hands open like that it increases the blood flow and warms your body up a lot better it's just like when you run you can actually run a little bit faster with your hands open, try it.
I used to always say that I had trouble balancing speed and power I can be unbelievably fast but I won't strike very hard and I can also hit very hard but it's much slower.
I'm so sorry about your friend's son. :(
You're fighting someone who's son just died? How are you supposed to beat that guy up lol Shane's gonna have to take the L
powerwowow good question
The upper cut that Shane mentioned is called the cork-screw uppercut. It was explained by Jack slack. Very interesting breakdowns, the guy did.
Why is the head mad to get punched
Baxhar Al what
Yeah what lol
Baxhar Al horrible English.
Baxhar Al "Why is the head *made* to get punched?" If anyone didnt quite understand what we said. To answer your question, it's well not necessarily designed to specific get punched haha correct but incorrect at the same time. It's designed to protect the most valuable thing in our body ,the brain. However there are some weakness to it like any part of our body's anatomy. The top and front of the skull is the strongest but weak spots like temple, back of the ear and head are very vulnerable.
Excellent video Shane 👍😀
0:40 calling him simply a "bare knuckle prize fighter" is a massive understatement.
He literally invented the sport as we know it. He was one of the only jewish boxers around his time, which was huge, given the purvasive stereotypes about jewish people being weak that still persist today.
More importantly, he was the single best fighter of his time period. So much so that he got an audience with the queen herself.
That never happened with jewish people. They were treated like trash by the ruling classes of europe ever since they started living in europe.
The idea of a jewish ghetto wasn’t something hitler came up with. And yet Daniel actually got an audience with the queen.
He is THE goat of boxing. Hands down.
Many fighters follow the rule soft to hard hard to soft were they use the open palm when they hit the head or hard part of the body and use a fist when hitting the stomach and soft parts of the body this is because when hitting the head a knockout is caused by head suddenly spining around. This quick motion of causes trauma to the brain that knocks the person out do using a closed and open fist doesn't matter to much when hitting the head enless you are trying to inflict pain
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Great video Shane
This is so informative i feel like i've learned so damn much about fighting. Bro keep doin this!!!!
Great video. Your videos are really knowledgeable. Thanks
Brilliant video shane!!!!
you take critics like a true champ. I tip my hat to you, sir. a great man.
dope video man! love your content