The goaltending was horrid, growing up watching in the early/mid 90’s I mostly missed this era but I do think what stands out to me in comparing then and now is more the style of standup vs butterfly or a hybrid, the gear, and the talent level. Sure skater talent has increased but goalies back then didn’t cover the bottom/ice well from their stand up style, they sucked at five hole, puck handling, and rebound control was not as good.
That never happened once in the 80's. Ironically, it happened once in the 90's, and that was during the 1992-93 season. You know as much about hockey as the guy who made this video.
@@111highgh start of 90s was the prime of lame defence in nhl. 1995 New-Jersey trap and introducing dozens of eastern europeans changed nhl forever + more money more technological advanced protection for goalies and players - here we see nobody is blocking shots. today we see more blockshots than actual shots. Gretzky today would still be an awesome player. but with 130 points and 60 goals max
I think a lot of people don't realize the old leather goalie pads soaked up water and got heavier as the game went on. So if you played on the ice like you do now, you'd hardly be able to get back on your feet after a period of soaking up the ice into your pads. which is part of why you want to stand up and not sit on the ice soaking up water.
Mike Vernon had his good days and bad days. He embellished his saves a lot. Grant Fuhr was a superior goalie to him but I'll admit he surprised me with that Red Wings Cup run. I didn't think he had one left in the gas tank. Fuhr in 84 and 85, he was exceptional.
@@charlienistor8169 - No one is saying that the Great One wasn't great or that he wasn't the best player in the game, because he was. The observation is simply being made - correctly, one might add - that goals were easier to come by in that era than in today's game. I am old-enough to remember that time well, and the quality of play in the NHL was diluted a great deal by rapid expansion during the 1970s and 1980s, such that AHL-caliber players were filling out rosters, guys who could not have won an NHL job ten years previously. Moreover, defensive schemes and systems were not nearly so common then as they are now, and in contrast to today's goaltenders who are elite athletes, tenders in those days ranged from brilliant to quite pedestrian. And they were smaller, and wore smaller and less-modern equipment. Goalies seldom played the butterfly, either - an innovation which was still catching on at the time. Players did not condition themselves or eat as well as today, and many guys smoked. The elite of the game were way beyond typical players; roster spots in those days were taken up by 2-3 goons per team, guys who were marginal hockey players, but good with their fists. Today, in contrast, everyone skates well, is fundamentally-sound, and plays to some sort of system. Defenses are absolutely stifling nowadays compared to the 1980s. Alex Ovechkin gets his 45-55 goals/season like clockwork even in today's game. Truly impressive, but it boggles the mind what he could have done in the 1980s against that caliber of player and goalie. Contrasting, someone like Gretzky who excelled in that wide-open era, would probably find it much more difficult to score and produce points in today's game. We can get a sense of that during the mid-1990s as his career drew to a close and the game was starting to transition into what it is today. His production fell dramatically, and even Gretz himself admitted, jokingly, that when guys the size of Zdeno Chara started playing NHL hockey, it was time to go! The Great One would still have been great even if in today's game, but his point production would probably have been half of what it was back in the day. The level of parity in today's game would have seen to that. And the level of competition today is ridiculously high. Even bottom six forwards and third-pair d-men are doing amazing things, and most teams have backup goalies that would make good starters.
@Cole DeBeer - Cole, do you even play the game? Have you ever played the game? It was dramatically more-wide open in the 1980s. And if you can't see the mountain of evidence for that, well, I'm afraid you are going to have to surrender your Wayne Gretzky lunchbox!
Grant Fuhr, Ron Hextall, Mark Liut (most wins in the 80s), Andy Moog (2nd most wins), Pete Peters and Tom Barasso. All of them had more wins than Roy in the 80s. Roy was a 90s goaltender. The league went through a lot of changes in the 80s. Also, Ed Belfour came into the league in the late 80s. Liut also had the most shutouts in that era. You keep bringing up stats... There are your stats. Also, Barasso had the most wins in a single season. Has anyone told you that you look like Will Ferrell?
"All of them had more wins than Roy in the 80s" Bringing up wins is a last ditch effort to give a goalie credibility when the GAA and save% look like shit. Of course you're going to have goalies in the 80's who racked up wins, because, you know, the better teams in the league still won a lot of games... "Roy was a 90s goaltender." Maybe that's how he should be remembered first and foremost, but Roy played two cup finals during the 80's and won the cup in 1986 along with the Conn Smythe. He also won the Vezina in 1989. "Also, Ed Belfour came into the league in the late 80s." If anything, Belfour should be considered a 90's goalie. If you're going to dismiss Roy, at least try to be consistent.
@@mazukakai - Bull. Ovie is built like a tank, dude. 235lbs, strong as a bull. He'd be the one doing the damage. And you act like he'd have just sat back and taken it! No way. Ovie, unlike a lot of superstars, isn't at all afraid to drop the mits, and when he does, he can do real damage. All of that gets downplayed because of his enormous talent for scoring, but he can play the physical game just fine.
I love how your commenting over the video "just go down!" Do you not realize that the gear was NOT made like today's gear? A goalie could not butterfly in that gear! Hence all of the along the ice goals. You should really try to put that old gear on and try the position. It is the hardest position in ANY sport
Goaltenders are phenomenal athletes. They have to be to play the position of an ice-hockey goaltender, which is arguably the most-demanding in all of team sport. I'man old dude, and played my teen and young adult hockey in the 1970s and 1980s. I'll never forget the starting tender from my varsity high-school team doing skating drills wearing all of his gear and goalie skates - and still besting many of the position players. Heavy, old-style leather pads, the works - and the guy could still fly. Want to talk hard shot? The guy could use a goalie stick and still lift the puck most of the length of the ice with a forehand wrist shot. The guy was a real stud. The other goalie I remember from that time was also a marvel. Maybe 150-lbs. he was a slender guy who didn't look like much, but he was extremely strong for his size, and you would not believe the battle in that guy. He never gave up on a puck, ever. He would be soaked and dehydrated after every game. I'm amazed he didn't pass out or cramp up. But he never did. A real warrior, that kid.
I love this haha, truth. A favorite point on the hockey history timeline is 1993. In 93 when Brodeur was a rookie he joined Roy and Belfour as the only good goalies in the entire league. 93 isn’t even that long ago lol
@@GeorgiaBoy1961 That depends, with the equipment he uses now yes. But What if he had their skates back then, their sticks, pads, the gloves players wear now are a lot smaller and offer a lot more flexibility. He wouldn't have the same shot wearing that gear back then as he does now simply because the gear limited mobility then and it was much heavier.
@@brianlb78 - I'll grant that it is tough to compare players across eras. It really is. I believe that someone like Ovie would have been dominant in any era of the NHL with the physical and other gifts he possesses, but obviously, I can't prove that. It is fun to speculate, though.
well, we also have to remember that there was no butterfly or hybrid goalies, they were all still standing. if they would have had other kind of style to play than that, it would have been different
All of the comments talking about how '80s goalies were so bad because of their equipment seem to be forgetting that '60s goalies were much better, with even worse equipment. So there's obviously more to it than that. I think it was an issue of coaching, especially when you consider that a lot of the guys in this video were legitimately good goalies (Hextall, Pang, Mason, Peeters, Hrudey, Vernon, etc.). All of those guys had at least one star-caliber season, and a couple of them (Roy, Hextall, & Vernon primarily) did much better in the '90s. I think the problem was that coaches figured out how to beat the stand-up style about five or six years before goalie coaches figured out how to adjust to what was happening. So there was this awkward period for a while were all the goalies just looked like crap - even the good ones.
60s goalies did not look all that much smaller than 80s goalies in terms of padding, though they were slightly. Hockey in the 60s was played far more conservatively, plus with the way sticks were there were far far fewer high shots than in the 80s. 60s games have much fewer quality scoring chances than you see in 80s hockey games. Fewer odd man rushes. fewer breakaways. stay at home defensemen really did stay at home
@@Outta-hz1ej I mean, he made the All-Rookie Team and was a Calder finalist in 1987-88, and he was 4th in the league in goals saved above average. I think that qualifies as good.
You totally down played the fact that todays goalies pads are so big that they fill up almost 75% of the net by just kneeling and moving from side to side. All this is is you taking bloopers from hockey the lighter side.
From an actual goalie’s standpoint, this is absolute bs. First up you might have to take up a math course, because clearly you don’t know what 75% is. Second, modern goalies are 1. Better than any of the goalies from the 80’s 2. Using a playing style that actually makes sense for making saves, and isn’t just flopping your body around aimlessly. There’s a reason the stand-up style of goaltending isn’t used anymore, it’s because it sucks.
@@WristFreeze97 alot of goals scored on stand ups would literally be the easiest saves if they just played butterfly I think hybrid styles an flopping ur self around is the best tho take a look at Tim Thomas man carried teams he flopped around he definitely wasn't a stand up but really unorthodoxed like hasek
Fuhr was awesome, I remember him well in Toronto. Guy made ten bell save after ten bell save behind the atrocious defence of the pre-Cliff Fletcher Leafs. That's when I knew he wasn't just a product of the Oilers.
Not a single goal from this video is a reflection of 80's goaltending being 'bad', each and every example of the above can be seen in every decade of hockey, past, present and future. Its a great bloopers video, period!
Of course they would bomb. All of those guys are old as dirt now. :p Seriously though. I think they would do better in today's game because the defenses and defensive schemes are so much better than in the 80's when the game was wide open and the defenses in front of them didn't exist.
TopCornerHockey 😂 Grant Fuhr was fucking phenomenal, and more athletic than any goalie in todays game. Put him in the current NHL with the ridiculously oversized equipment they wear, that’s twice as big & half the weight, and he’d dominate. Grant could also play multiple styles, whereas the only thing goalies know now-a-days is butterfly.
I think you chose the worst highlights for these goalies. I recall watching Kelly Hrudey make 73 saves on 75 shots in a 4 overtime win (Easter Epic) where he made many outrageous saves (Mason in that game have something like 53 saves). While sure the goaltending has improved over the last 30 years, aspects of the pad size, extensions on gloves and blockers, and general goalie body size has markedly increased. These 80's goalies look like rails compared to goalies today. Plus, in the last 30 years positional play has become the rule (it just wasn't taught that way in the 80's, even at younger ages). 90% of the time, goalies today make saves because they are in the proper position, which was optimized since the 90s. Goalies today are also taught to track the puck and lots of saves look fantastic but the goalie's position and presentation are key. I was a goaltending coach in the 90's for bantams and midgets and I can tell you lots of emphasis on position crept in to to our lessons. In general, it really is hard to call the 80s lame for goaltending, it simply was a different period and goal tending training from younger ages took the back seat. Lots of your highlights also show poor stick work - that too wasn't even emphasized until the mid 90's. But the video clips were funny, so thanks!
To be fair there are Bad goals now, and there were bad goals in the Old days and Vernon later did play better his style didn't change his defense was awful. Like all defense in the 1980s, the defense was awful like most nights goalies were shelled. To be fair the League had added a bunch of WHA teams so it watered down the league quite a bit. This is more of a blooper reel, Don Cherry's Rock'em Sock'em's are full of these blooper reels.
Patty Roy, Grant Fuhr, Mike Vernon, Eddie Belfour(89’), Tom Barraso, Mike Vernon, Andy Moog, Ron Hextall, The Biezer.... Curtis Joseph was in the early 90’s, playing College hockey in the late 80’s.... I am sure I could name some more.... Some of these guys won cups in the 90’s... To say professional goalies would be Jr. B players is absurd.... While it might not have been the golden age of goaltending.... 99% of pro hockey players from the 30’s to the 60s for sure wouldn’t touch the ice on the NHL level now.... So calling out a few bad goalies from the 80s is just disingenuous... You could apply the “they wouldn’t be NHL’ers now” to any era outside of the 80s/90s/00s.... Get a grip
It's a good thing this video is in a way, just your opinion because its pretty far off I think. I believe what you say about Billy Smith, Grant Fuhr, Mike Vernon, Ron Hextall, Tom Barrasso etc..etc...I personally think these guys would flourish in today's game. Obviously, you'd have to compare apples to apples...if you put these guys with their conditioning and equipment from the 80s vs today's NHL, then I'm sure they wouldn't do very good either. Put them in equipment from today and with the coaching/training programs that teams have...these guys would still be exceptional goaltenders. Remember, Roy was not really all that great with the Habs...he really cemented his career with the Avs in the 90s. Just my opinion.
I’m all for mocking dumb goalie stuff and all.. but acting like all of this doesn’t still happen in the modern nhl just as much is kinda disingenuous :P when goalies of today are caught flat footed or in awkward situations they end up looking like beached whales, they look so out of their element when not in position, lol. But c’mon man, saying goalies of the 80s “weren’t skilled?”. I guess the fact that you didn’t know (or just overlooked) how hugely goaltending equipment changed and adapted even from the 80s to the 90s revels how you might have come to think that… but there are actually a lot of equipment and style related reasons for the high scoring 80s that had nothing to do with “how skilled” goalies were. If you want I could go into a few of them, but this is a 2 year old video and I wouldn’t blame you if you don’t care about one disgruntled goalie late to the comments section, so I’ll try and give the "short" version, heh. Feel free to skip this if you don't care XP Goalies were smaller, MUCH smaller. Most goalies sat around 5'9" with some falling to 5'5 or rising to a staggering 6'. For reference, Ken Dryden, considered a monster in his time, was 6'4", pretty standard in the modern NHL. Goalies weren't just small though, chest protectors/pants were as well. Hockey valued having a fast goaltender with quick reflexes at the time, thus many people who played the position ended up being smaller guys who could move fast. Equipment was made to allow for that loose flexible movement, and not much else beyond "keeping you from dying" heh. Even if you were a big goalie who wanted to go back in time with a modern style, it would be ineffective without the specially designed pads covering the ice surface perfectly, and large wall-like chest protector covering up high. The issue with the 80s was, as the game got faster, playing based on reflex and anticipation alone became less and less effective. Goalies had immense skill to stop what they could on reflex alone, but the position fell far behind on updating its style and equipment to accommodate the advancing offensive game. The 90s was a renaissance not cause a bunch of skilled goalies *finally* made the professional league, but because advances in playstyle and ESPECIALLY in equipment that was specially designed to accommodate that playstyle allowed for these highly skilled reaction goaltenders to incorporate new techniques that were part of what I like to call PBG, “percentage-based goaltending". I define this as when you prioritize covering parts of the net that statistically have a higher % chance of a goal being scored there by covering those places up with your default positioning and actions, such as using the butterfly to eliminate large amounts of space low and along the ice, the large glovehand being held up and out to make it bigger and easier to track the puck into the glove (a technique that was already taught and utilized a lot even in the 80s, just not typically as part of your default ready position), and using your body with those brand spanking new BIG chest protectors as a wall positioned square to the shooter. With a combination of highly skilled reflex goaltenders, and new equipment reaching ever larger sizes and optimizing through studies in PBG, goaltending saw its highest level of dominance in decades. Over time it was learned that this new style meant that larger goalies could be more effective at stopping the puck than smaller goalies, and the smaller reflex goalies were slowly phased out, with Canadian hockey camps teaching the “wall” style for years… at least until Finland finally proved to Canada that “hybrid” is the way to go. Basically: Goalies of the 80s relied entirely on pure and freeform skill, and as time went one, skill was married with some actual research into particularly effective goaltending styles, and equipment that was specially designed to increase the effectiveness of those styles. Do yeah, put some respect on the legends who played in a past era with the resources they were given :P They stopped pucks with the heart, in equipment designed to protect and not much else, and I'll always love 'em for that.
There were good goalies- grant fuhr is in the hall of fame, liut was a premier goalie in the late 70s-early 80s and i think hes in the hall, too. Hextall won a hart trophy, vezina, as well as the conn smythe in a losing effort. Mike vernons not a scrub at all, and billy smith won 4 stanley cups in a row. Its not the goalies that suck, its the "defensemen". Teams essentially sent 5 forwards on the ice, no doubt influenced by the soviet 5-man units
I disagree with saying the 80's had bad goaltending, or low talent. It was that coming out of the 70's and early 80's, you had players (like Gretzky) who were ahead of their time, and developing a new offensive style of play. Sticks were also starting to get curved and developed more. Also in the late 70's/early 80's is when players started training all year around, and the NHL was being taken alot more seriously and players were developing at a younger age. Before than most players played their season, then took the summer off and worked day jobs. It just took a few years for goaltending to catch up, the butterfly technique evened out the playing field quiet a bit. But in the awkward gap in the 80's when .880 was considered a good save %, was when goaltending was still catching up. This was nothing more than an old school blooper reel... which in all fairness to even goalies of today, it would be easy to make a blooper of say the 2017 season, and say that goalies of the 2010's are bad... especially to someone 20 years later.
The NHL expanded too rapidly during the latter 1970s and into the 1980s, which - for a time - diluted the talent level in the NHL. There were players holding down NHL jobs that didn't really have any business being in the league, but they were there because the game had not yet readjusted to its larger new size. The influx of players from Europe and elsewhere made good the gap, though, and by the mid-1990s, the equilibrium was largely restored. It was also around that time that individual season point totals and points/game per player and per team - started coming back to earth.
I thought it was, but to be honest, I didn't slow down the footage and take a close look. It just looked like him, so I said his name. I could totally be wrong.
He let in so many goals an was carried by a good team when judging goalies u have to take there win loss record out of the equation to even be able to accurately evaluate goalies
No nothing to do with win loss record. He was one of the best if not best “reaction” style goaltenders. He was great in clutch situations. Just my opinion.
Sure goalies were awful, but you have to realize that in the 80s they're were many NATURAL goal scorers, compared to today. Too many hockey franchises means less talent and goalie equipments are bigger than the nets nowadays. Today's superstars aren't cracked up to be scorers! Less talent means too many hold and grab hockey. That's why NHL made rules changes to help elevate scoring.
In today's game, goalies are big, strong and talented. They are elite athletes; they have to be to play the position in today's game. Forty years ago or more, the guy sent to play goal was often in the net because he couldn't win a spot anyplace else. Don't get me wrong;there were amazing goalies in those days just as now. It is simply that the talent was not as consistent then. I'd match Tony Esposito or Ken Dryden in their primes up against any modern tenders. They were fabulous. Espo helped invent the butterfly style which is so common today, and Dryden inaugurated the trend for large tall men to be net-minders.
About that Bob Mason softy (which was the tying goal in regulation of the Easter Epic) apparently his skate blade had just broke so he was basically playing the final minutes of the third period on one foot. Very unfortunate timing for him and the Caps.
That Mason goal vs Trottier. That was in game 7 1987. That goal tied the game and sent it into OT and gave us maybe the greatest overtime battle ever. Supposedly a strap broke on Masons pad and that's why the puck slipped through
A huge issue was expansion which diluted the talent pool for the goaltender positions and with only North America as your only breeding ground for talent in those days, you had guys who wouldn’t have made it as NHL players, playing everyday. It’s quite obvious once the 90’s came along and Europe opened up due to the fall of the Soviet Union you began to see way more talent across the league at every position and the goaltender position got an added boost to its limited player pool with all of those European players despite even more expansion in the 90’s. Also it helped that everyone adopted the butterfly technique in the 90’s and all of the sudden not every five hole shot is going in and games aren’t 8-7 every other game.
teams didn't play suffocating defense back then which made for way more entertaining hockey and FAR more athletic goaltending......i think the big difference isn't that they sucked its that they were way smaller with smaller equipment mixed with run and gun styles of team play.....late 80's early 90's nhl was the best era imo.....goalies pads are too goddam big now and it'd be nice to see more smaller goalies.....the last real small goalie i can remember is arturs irbe and that was years ago.
I would say that the big reason why the 80's brought you so many goals is because the defensemen back then weren't that good. It is easy to have a GAA of over 3.00 as a goalie when you are the only line of defense for your team.
David Reynolds I’ll agree with u on that as well. It was hard to find an all star defensive defenseman cuz they mostly worked on offense. Take the bad defensive players and add it up with good offensive players and that’s how all the games were so high scoring. Grant fuhr and Andy moog are prime examples as they were on a team that was all offense and no defense. The oilers are often looked at as being carried by their incredible offense, but fuhr and moog definitely played huge roles in their dynasty. Even the 1990 Stanley cup was won cuz bill ranford carried them all throughout the playoffs
Connor Callahan - Besides Charlie Huddy, who was Edmonton's defensive minded defenseman in the 80's? He still ended up with 50 points per season because he could sit on the bench and pick up assists watching Gretz, Kurri and Mess score.
The issue with the goaltending back then is that they were discouraged to go down for shots (put alot of equipment behind a save even a basic one) and were only taught to go down on deflections or inclose shots, which lead to alot hilarity as you see on the ice. Alot of their equipment was just trash, and not even much of an upgrade from the 70s gear. I couldn't even wear their 80s gear for ball hockey lol.
All the “goalie coaches” back then always preached “stay up stay up”. I was so conflicted as a kid learning back then because I knew there had to be a better way. It wasn’t a science back then. You were just required to make the first save with minimal rebound control. Most of the goals were blamed on the defence. It was horrible the approach. When patty roy came up all the coaches I knew blasted him and said it’s wrong and he won’t last. Yea I’d love to transplant current day Ovi, Crosby and mattews to that era and see them light it up. Lol
Disagree with you. These goalies were super talented. Any young goalie today can go get proper training one on one which did not exist back then because it was all TALENT. There was no one to teach a system back then because people were still trying to figure the position out.
The game changed so fast. Forget about the comparision to todays goalies, by the mid 90s it was night and day. Because in high school (95-99) my friend and I used to laugh whenever we'd see an '80s goal.
The butterfly revolutionized the position. Notice all the goalies are standing up like a statue, even in close? It was a combination of poor goalies and how they were not coached to stay in their crease, play the angle and go down and take away everything low. That came in the early/mid 90’s.
You can take clips from any era of goalies making mistakes and put them in one sided video to make them look terrible. Lol you can say billy smith not hall of famer all you want. Gretzky said he is best goalie he ever faced think his opinion holds a little more weight than yours
99 could play in any era. He had good speed, a great shot, tremendous hockey IQ and vision. He was excellent at avoid contact and just understanding how plays would unfold. He would not score 200 points now a days, but he'd be an all star every single year.
@Demon Rat you're assuming nutritionists wouldn't have gotten a hold of him like they do with players these days, I'm sure as talented as he was if he grew up today someone at some point in his junior hockey would get him on track physically.
I used to think the NHL limited the area goalies can legally play the puck behind the net to increase scoring. After watching this video, it's clear the decision was made to save the goalies from themselves.
yeah but bob mason was great in that game.. , many of the starters of the 80's who continued to play into the 90's put up good numbers in better and larger equipment.. compare 86 roy to 94 and nobody can deny the equipment difference. and he continued to play until 03, a time when goals were down, in part because of the equipment size and goalies dropping into the butterfly and letting the puck just hit them somewhere. so many goalies today have a horrible blocker hand, some still have a sweet glove at least, but most of the time they're just trying to let it hit their huge chest pad or leg pads. it's rare these days to see a goalie go full thomas or hasek mode, which is why if it does happen it ends up on the nightly highlight reel.. but there was alot more scrambling like that going on in the 80's because it was before the butterfly style for the most part that we know today. and in 05 they removed the 2 line pass rule to get more speed, action, goals and fan interest back into the game.. which it did, but it also created more high speed impacts, injuries and headshots.. which has led to no head contact during the regular season.. within 5-8 yrs fighting and full body contact will likely be gone, they already call it charging now when the player making the hit has been gliding for 3 meters..
Just my opinion but the run n gun, open style of play, lack of goalie specific training, still crappy equipment (especially the pads, upper body n skates) and the difficult transition from stand up to a hybrid / butterfly style was happening. As far as Roy being the only great goalie to play in the 80's, I disagree. Again, just my opinion.
No good goalies from 80s???you must be kidding! Fuhr, Vernon, Richter, Vanbiesbrouck, Hextall, Ranford, Belfour and many others all began to play in the 80s!! Even Hasek.
They changed there game as time went on an goalies cna grow as they age hasek was not a good goalie in the 80s he wasn't a good goalie till like 93 right about when the nhl really started to change to today's game
This is why Lemieuxs 93 season is the best personal season ever 60 games played 69 goals 160 points when the goalies where alot better than this..imagine if he didn't miss 24 games that's almost 1/3 of the season 👀
1:37...it's easy to get a laugh from that clip but as a guy who played goal in the 80's and knows the equipment, it is NOT easy to be going full tilt, fall and then get right back up without breaking a stride! lol. Nice recovery I'd say!
It really was just the equipment size & goaltenders needing to play a safer style of play because it wasn't as protective (no neck guards). If you watch Patrick Roy (credited with popularizing the butterfly stance) back then, he would challenge the shooter or make more desperation saves than when he played in the 90's, when the equipment became safer & larger.
Those were the best men in the world playing a very difficult position in pro sports. To say that they weren't good is to imply that there were better men for those jobs at that time. If the goalies of today were alive back then they would not have been any better than these men were. A rising tide lifts all boats. Todays's players might be better than those of yesteryear because of two factors; training regimens have improved & so has the equipment. They are not better because they are somehow genetically superior or superior regarding skill. Let's see one of today's goalies do a 4 overtime playoff game like Kelly Hrudey back in 1987.
Great clips...but I feel it's not entirely fair. The goalies were much smaller, pads much smaller (and also heavier) defense was played much looser...teams generally played fast and loose and took chances. This is the best they could do with what they had. Yes more bad goals happened but goalies were way more under siege than they are today. Left exposed to odd man rushes...they were crashed into a lot more. They didnt have the massive pads that could just block off the entire bottom of the net or huge gloves or D that expertly blocked shots. The puck came at you all game from everywhere and when that happens...yea you're gonna let in some bad ones
I have to admit, I cheated just a little bit. Not all the goals are from the 80's. A couple are from the early 90's.
TopCornerHockey
Do a top 10 Player vs player rivalry please dude
can you do top 10 worse goalies of the 90s plz
Watched the whole thing and not a single Tim Cheveldae goal? Wth
It would be a Tommy Soderstrom fest!
The goaltending was horrid, growing up watching in the early/mid 90’s I mostly missed this era but I do think what stands out to me in comparing then and now is more the style of standup vs butterfly or a hybrid, the gear, and the talent level. Sure skater talent has increased but goalies back then didn’t cover the bottom/ice well from their stand up style, they sucked at five hole, puck handling, and rebound control was not as good.
No wonder there used to be over 20 players with a 100 point seasons
That never happened once in the 80's.
Ironically, it happened once in the 90's, and that was during the 1992-93 season.
You know as much about hockey as the guy who made this video.
@@111highgh start of 90s was the prime of lame defence in nhl. 1995 New-Jersey trap and introducing dozens of eastern europeans changed nhl forever + more money more technological advanced protection for goalies and players - here we see nobody is blocking shots. today we see more blockshots than actual shots. Gretzky today would still be an awesome player. but with 130 points and 60 goals max
92-93 Scoring Leaders:
Lemieux 160
Lafontaine 148
Oates 142
Yzerman 137
Selanne 132
Turgeon 132
Mogilny 127
Gilmour 127
Robitallie 125
Recchi 123
Sundin 114
Stevens 111
Bure 110
Tocchet 109
Roenick 107
Janney 106
Sakic 105
Juneau 102
Hull 101
Fleury 100
Francis 100
I think a lot of people don't realize the old leather goalie pads soaked up water and got heavier as the game went on. So if you played on the ice like you do now, you'd hardly be able to get back on your feet after a period of soaking up the ice into your pads. which is part of why you want to stand up and not sit on the ice soaking up water.
Mike Vernon and Andy Moog were also great goalies of the 80's.
Always appreciated Vernie flashing the glove.
Grant Fuhr too
Mike Vernon had his good days and bad days. He embellished his saves a lot. Grant Fuhr was a superior goalie to him but I'll admit he surprised me with that Red Wings Cup run. I didn't think he had one left in the gas tank. Fuhr in 84 and 85, he was exceptional.
I can hear BaconCountry saying “It’s not ALWAYS the goalie’s fault”
SpectruMK8DX hahahaha
SpectruMK8DX lol
Me too
SpectruMK8DX he would always blame teal.
Gotta be more agressive
I see how Gretzky was able to score so much😄
Lol then why couldn't anyone else score over 200 points?
@@charlienistor8169 - No one is saying that the Great One wasn't great or that he wasn't the best player in the game, because he was. The observation is simply being made - correctly, one might add - that goals were easier to come by in that era than in today's game. I am old-enough to remember that time well, and the quality of play in the NHL was diluted a great deal by rapid expansion during the 1970s and 1980s, such that AHL-caliber players were filling out rosters, guys who could not have won an NHL job ten years previously. Moreover, defensive schemes and systems were not nearly so common then as they are now, and in contrast to today's goaltenders who are elite athletes, tenders in those days ranged from brilliant to quite pedestrian. And they were smaller, and wore smaller and less-modern equipment. Goalies seldom played the butterfly, either - an innovation which was still catching on at the time. Players did not condition themselves or eat as well as today, and many guys smoked. The elite of the game were way beyond typical players; roster spots in those days were taken up by 2-3 goons per team, guys who were marginal hockey players, but good with their fists. Today, in contrast, everyone skates well, is fundamentally-sound, and plays to some sort of system. Defenses are absolutely stifling nowadays compared to the 1980s. Alex Ovechkin gets his 45-55 goals/season like clockwork even in today's game. Truly impressive, but it boggles the mind what he could have done in the 1980s against that caliber of player and goalie. Contrasting, someone like Gretzky who excelled in that wide-open era, would probably find it much more difficult to score and produce points in today's game. We can get a sense of that during the mid-1990s as his career drew to a close and the game was starting to transition into what it is today. His production fell dramatically, and even Gretz himself admitted, jokingly, that when guys the size of Zdeno Chara started playing NHL hockey, it was time to go! The Great One would still have been great even if in today's game, but his point production would probably have been half of what it was back in the day. The level of parity in today's game would have seen to that. And the level of competition today is ridiculously high. Even bottom six forwards and third-pair d-men are doing amazing things, and most teams have backup goalies that would make good starters.
GeorgiaBoy1961 well said brother, 💯💯
@Cole DeBeer - Cole, do you even play the game? Have you ever played the game? It was dramatically more-wide open in the 1980s. And if you can't see the mountain of evidence for that, well, I'm afraid you are going to have to surrender your Wayne Gretzky lunchbox!
@Cole DeBeer - Who you calling kid, punk?
Grant Fuhr, Ron Hextall, Mark Liut (most wins in the 80s), Andy Moog (2nd most wins), Pete Peters and Tom Barasso. All of them had more wins than Roy in the 80s. Roy was a 90s goaltender. The league went through a lot of changes in the 80s. Also, Ed Belfour came into the league in the late 80s. Liut also had the most shutouts in that era. You keep bringing up stats... There are your stats. Also, Barasso had the most wins in a single season. Has anyone told you that you look like Will Ferrell?
But goalies do look pathetic in that era. Even if you look at their technics and equipment - there is a huge difference with the late 90s
"All of them had more wins than Roy in the 80s"
Bringing up wins is a last ditch effort to give a goalie credibility when the GAA and save% look like shit. Of course you're going to have goalies in the 80's who racked up wins, because, you know, the better teams in the league still won a lot of games...
"Roy was a 90s goaltender."
Maybe that's how he should be remembered first and foremost, but Roy played two cup finals during the 80's and won the cup in 1986 along with the Conn Smythe. He also won the Vezina in 1989.
"Also, Ed Belfour came into the league in the late 80s."
If anything, Belfour should be considered a 90's goalie. If you're going to dismiss Roy, at least try to be consistent.
Roy won a cup in '86. He was an 80s and 90s goalie
Hahaha wins smh. Those guy were all horrible, they were just better than others in the league at the time
The footage from around 1:25 - 3:50 is from a VHS blooper tape I used to have in the 80’s called Hockey: The Lighter Side
Imagine if Ovi played in the 80's...
Ulf Samuelsson or Dale Hunter, or a hundred other guys would've injured him
mazukakai probably but ovi would have done something just as nasty back or just punched the f out out of em.
@@mazukakai - Bull. Ovie is built like a tank, dude. 235lbs, strong as a bull. He'd be the one doing the damage. And you act like he'd have just sat back and taken it! No way. Ovie, unlike a lot of superstars, isn't at all afraid to drop the mits, and when he does, he can do real damage. All of that gets downplayed because of his enormous talent for scoring, but he can play the physical game just fine.
There'd be a new record for goals
@Cole DeBeer no
I love how your commenting over the video "just go down!"
Do you not realize that the gear was NOT made like today's gear?
A goalie could not butterfly in that gear! Hence all of the along the ice goals. You should really try to put that old gear on and try the position. It is the hardest position in ANY sport
I'm curious to know what was so challenging about the gear where they couldn't butterfly?
Goaltenders are phenomenal athletes. They have to be to play the position of an ice-hockey goaltender, which is arguably the most-demanding in all of team sport. I'man old dude, and played my teen and young adult hockey in the 1970s and 1980s. I'll never forget the starting tender from my varsity high-school team doing skating drills wearing all of his gear and goalie skates - and still besting many of the position players. Heavy, old-style leather pads, the works - and the guy could still fly. Want to talk hard shot? The guy could use a goalie stick and still lift the puck most of the length of the ice with a forehand wrist shot. The guy was a real stud. The other goalie I remember from that time was also a marvel. Maybe 150-lbs. he was a slender guy who didn't look like much, but he was extremely strong for his size, and you would not believe the battle in that guy. He never gave up on a puck, ever. He would be soaked and dehydrated after every game. I'm amazed he didn't pass out or cramp up. But he never did. A real warrior, that kid.
They added knee lifts and made the pads top edges come together effectively closing the 5 hole when u butterfly
Yeah the knees were exposed
5:23 Rick Tabaracci only played one game for the Penguins, and I remember reading about it in the newspaper when I was six.
These clips are from rockem sockem by Don Cherry. At least give the man some credit please.
Mike Vernon was a beast when he was with the Wings in the 90s
I love this haha, truth. A favorite point on the hockey history timeline is 1993. In 93 when Brodeur was a rookie he joined Roy and Belfour as the only good goalies in the entire league. 93 isn’t even that long ago lol
This video makes Ovechkin's totals look amazing
Ovie wold have shredded the record book playing in that era....
@@GeorgiaBoy1961 That depends, with the equipment he uses now yes. But What if he had their skates back then, their sticks, pads, the gloves players wear now are a lot smaller and offer a lot more flexibility. He wouldn't have the same shot wearing that gear back then as he does now simply because the gear limited mobility then and it was much heavier.
@@brianlb78 - I'll grant that it is tough to compare players across eras. It really is. I believe that someone like Ovie would have been dominant in any era of the NHL with the physical and other gifts he possesses, but obviously, I can't prove that. It is fun to speculate, though.
Mike Vernon, Grant Fehr to name two awesome 80's Nhl goalies.
well, we also have to remember that there was no butterfly or hybrid goalies, they were all still standing. if they would have had other kind of style to play than that, it would have been different
Myslizard Please see my response to Drew Rycerz.
Canucker Eh! yeah, that's my point. there was a few goalies who was different from the others, but as you said most were standing
equipment didn't let them to do butterfly
All of the comments talking about how '80s goalies were so bad because of their equipment seem to be forgetting that '60s goalies were much better, with even worse equipment. So there's obviously more to it than that. I think it was an issue of coaching, especially when you consider that a lot of the guys in this video were legitimately good goalies (Hextall, Pang, Mason, Peeters, Hrudey, Vernon, etc.). All of those guys had at least one star-caliber season, and a couple of them (Roy, Hextall, & Vernon primarily) did much better in the '90s.
I think the problem was that coaches figured out how to beat the stand-up style about five or six years before goalie coaches figured out how to adjust to what was happening. So there was this awkward period for a while were all the goalies just looked like crap - even the good ones.
60s goalies did not look all that much smaller than 80s goalies in terms of padding, though they were slightly. Hockey in the 60s was played far more conservatively, plus with the way sticks were there were far far fewer high shots than in the 80s. 60s games have much fewer quality scoring chances than you see in 80s hockey games. Fewer odd man rushes. fewer breakaways. stay at home defensemen really did stay at home
Dude, Darren Pang was never good
@@Outta-hz1ej I mean, he made the All-Rookie Team and was a Calder finalist in 1987-88, and he was 4th in the league in goals saved above average. I think that qualifies as good.
This is from Don cherrys Rockem Sockem right?
Some of it. I have a pretty large collection of hockey videos that includes all 29 of Don Cherry's videos.
Yea man I had a streak of about 10 rockem sockems in a row used to get one every christmast
These goals still happen today???
Im glad u made this. Cause i say this all the time
You totally down played the fact that todays goalies pads are so big that they fill up almost 75% of the net by just kneeling and moving from side to side. All this is is you taking bloopers from hockey the lighter side.
ADHD Theatre I knew these clips looked familiar. Hadn't watched that since the 90s
From an actual goalie’s standpoint, this is absolute bs. First up you might have to take up a math course, because clearly you don’t know what 75% is. Second, modern goalies are 1. Better than any of the goalies from the 80’s 2. Using a playing style that actually makes sense for making saves, and isn’t just flopping your body around aimlessly. There’s a reason the stand-up style of goaltending isn’t used anymore, it’s because it sucks.
I’m no math teacher, but pads do not take up 75% of the net
@@WristFreeze97 alot of goals scored on stand ups would literally be the easiest saves if they just played butterfly I think hybrid styles an flopping ur self around is the best tho take a look at Tim Thomas man carried teams he flopped around he definitely wasn't a stand up but really unorthodoxed like hasek
WoW Nice music
Grant Fuhr? He would regularly give up 3-4 goals a game also...the Oilers would just score 6 or 7 and win.
Fuhr was awesome, I remember him well in Toronto. Guy made ten bell save after ten bell save behind the atrocious defence of the pre-Cliff Fletcher Leafs. That's when I knew he wasn't just a product of the Oilers.
I think it's Dave Maley at 4:44 . Chorske was right handed.
Finish the sentence - if you're a goaltender...
This is why I put Lemieux over Gretzky Mario embarrassed better goalies in the Wales conference
Pete Peeters was a good goalie during the '80's
If you consider the entire decade, Peeters was the best goalie throughout the 1980s. That's not a good thing.
Pete petters was awful let in some of the worse goals ever seen. Most importantly he would crumble in big games
Not a single goal from this video is a reflection of 80's goaltending being 'bad', each and every example of the above can be seen in every decade of hockey, past, present and future. Its a great bloopers video, period!
50 yr old Gordie Howe,s slap shot came from the circle dude! 50 is not a death sentence!
Geordie was 52 when he scored that goal. Legend.
I can think of three great goalies from the 1980's besides Patrick Roy: Tom Barrasso, Billy Smith and Grant Fuhr.
I don't believe Barrasso, Billy or Grant were good goalies. Decent at best. Put any one of them in today's game and they all bomb.
TopCornerHockey So would Roy... He even said it himself
Of course they would bomb. All of those guys are old as dirt now. :p
Seriously though. I think they would do better in today's game because the defenses and defensive schemes are so much better than in the 80's when the game was wide open and the defenses in front of them didn't exist.
TopCornerHockey 😂 Grant Fuhr was fucking phenomenal, and more athletic than any goalie in todays game.
Put him in the current NHL with the ridiculously oversized equipment they wear, that’s twice as big & half the weight, and he’d dominate.
Grant could also play multiple styles, whereas the only thing goalies know now-a-days is butterfly.
Pele Lindbergh, Ron hextall, Tony Esposito can't forget these guys
WAAAAY smaller pads and goalies didn't flop down to their knees as soon as the puck crossed the red line.
80s goaltending was so-so...but the jerseys were phenomenal.
Its was the "Stand up" style not so much the talent of goalies... Still funny tho 😁
I think you chose the worst highlights for these goalies. I recall watching Kelly Hrudey make 73 saves on 75 shots in a 4 overtime win (Easter Epic) where he made many outrageous saves (Mason in that game have something like 53 saves). While sure the goaltending has improved over the last 30 years, aspects of the pad size, extensions on gloves and blockers, and general goalie body size has markedly increased. These 80's goalies look like rails compared to goalies today. Plus, in the last 30 years positional play has become the rule (it just wasn't taught that way in the 80's, even at younger ages). 90% of the time, goalies today make saves because they are in the proper position, which was optimized since the 90s. Goalies today are also taught to track the puck and lots of saves look fantastic but the goalie's position and presentation are key. I was a goaltending coach in the 90's for bantams and midgets and I can tell you lots of emphasis on position crept in to to our lessons. In general, it really is hard to call the 80s lame for goaltending, it simply was a different period and goal tending training from younger ages took the back seat. Lots of your highlights also show poor stick work - that too wasn't even emphasized until the mid 90's. But the video clips were funny, so thanks!
To be fair there are Bad goals now, and there were bad goals in the Old days and Vernon later did play better his style didn't change his defense was awful. Like all defense in the 1980s, the defense was awful like most nights goalies were shelled. To be fair the League had added a bunch of WHA teams so it watered down the league quite a bit. This is more of a blooper reel, Don Cherry's Rock'em Sock'em's are full of these blooper reels.
Patty Roy, Grant Fuhr, Mike Vernon, Eddie Belfour(89’), Tom Barraso, Mike Vernon, Andy Moog, Ron Hextall, The Biezer.... Curtis Joseph was in the early 90’s, playing College hockey in the late 80’s.... I am sure I could name some more....
Some of these guys won cups in the 90’s... To say professional goalies would be Jr. B players is absurd....
While it might not have been the golden age of goaltending.... 99% of pro hockey players from the 30’s to the 60s for sure wouldn’t touch the ice on the NHL level now.... So calling out a few bad goalies from the 80s is just disingenuous...
You could apply the “they wouldn’t be NHL’ers now” to any era outside of the 80s/90s/00s....
Get a grip
had some good laughs with this one. Alain Chevrier and Bob Mason seemed to be involved in more than they should.
This era brought us Patrick Roy
(i think Belfour and Hasek were technically 1980s right? )
Grant Fuhr Billy Smith though
Eddie did play a bit in 1989. But he was not good in the 80s. I've never been a fan, nor a supporter of Fuhr or Billy Smith.
@@TopCornerHockey Just because you're not a fan doesn't mean they're not good.
Hasek did not play in the 80’s i think his first season was with Chicago backing up Belfor
It's a good thing this video is in a way, just your opinion because its pretty far off I think. I believe what you say about Billy Smith, Grant Fuhr, Mike Vernon, Ron Hextall, Tom Barrasso etc..etc...I personally think these guys would flourish in today's game. Obviously, you'd have to compare apples to apples...if you put these guys with their conditioning and equipment from the 80s vs today's NHL, then I'm sure they wouldn't do very good either. Put them in equipment from today and with the coaching/training programs that teams have...these guys would still be exceptional goaltenders. Remember, Roy was not really all that great with the Habs...he really cemented his career with the Avs in the 90s. Just my opinion.
Roy played good with the habs
Imagine if a dragon was a goalie and he blew fire at the players. He’d be a legend in that realm
I’m all for mocking dumb goalie stuff and all.. but acting like all of this doesn’t still happen in the modern nhl just as much is kinda disingenuous :P when goalies of today are caught flat footed or in awkward situations they end up looking like beached whales, they look so out of their element when not in position, lol.
But c’mon man, saying goalies of the 80s “weren’t skilled?”. I guess the fact that you didn’t know (or just overlooked) how hugely goaltending equipment changed and adapted even from the 80s to the 90s revels how you might have come to think that… but there are actually a lot of equipment and style related reasons for the high scoring 80s that had nothing to do with “how skilled” goalies were.
If you want I could go into a few of them, but this is a 2 year old video and I wouldn’t blame you if you don’t care about one disgruntled goalie late to the comments section, so I’ll try and give the "short" version, heh. Feel free to skip this if you don't care XP
Goalies were smaller, MUCH smaller. Most goalies sat around 5'9" with some falling to 5'5 or rising to a staggering 6'. For reference, Ken Dryden, considered a monster in his time, was 6'4", pretty standard in the modern NHL. Goalies weren't just small though, chest protectors/pants were as well. Hockey valued having a fast goaltender with quick reflexes at the time, thus many people who played the position ended up being smaller guys who could move fast. Equipment was made to allow for that loose flexible movement, and not much else beyond "keeping you from dying" heh. Even if you were a big goalie who wanted to go back in time with a modern style, it would be ineffective without the specially designed pads covering the ice surface perfectly, and large wall-like chest protector covering up high.
The issue with the 80s was, as the game got faster, playing based on reflex and anticipation alone became less and less effective. Goalies had immense skill to stop what they could on reflex alone, but the position fell far behind on updating its style and equipment to accommodate the advancing offensive game.
The 90s was a renaissance not cause a bunch of skilled goalies *finally* made the professional league, but because advances in playstyle and ESPECIALLY in equipment that was specially designed to accommodate that playstyle allowed for these highly skilled reaction goaltenders to incorporate new techniques that were part of what I like to call PBG, “percentage-based goaltending". I define this as when you prioritize covering parts of the net that statistically have a higher % chance of a goal being scored there by covering those places up with your default positioning and actions, such as using the butterfly to eliminate large amounts of space low and along the ice, the large glovehand being held up and out to make it bigger and easier to track the puck into the glove (a technique that was already taught and utilized a lot even in the 80s, just not typically as part of your default ready position), and using your body with those brand spanking new BIG chest protectors as a wall positioned square to the shooter.
With a combination of highly skilled reflex goaltenders, and new equipment reaching ever larger sizes and optimizing through studies in PBG, goaltending saw its highest level of dominance in decades. Over time it was learned that this new style meant that larger goalies could be more effective at stopping the puck than smaller goalies, and the smaller reflex goalies were slowly phased out, with Canadian hockey camps teaching the “wall” style for years… at least until Finland finally proved to Canada that “hybrid” is the way to go.
Basically: Goalies of the 80s relied entirely on pure and freeform skill, and as time went one, skill was married with some actual research into particularly effective goaltending styles, and equipment that was specially designed to increase the effectiveness of those styles.
Do yeah, put some respect on the legends who played in a past era with the resources they were given :P They stopped pucks with the heart, in equipment designed to protect and not much else, and I'll always love 'em for that.
Some names are wrong Chorske is actually Maley, Lewis is actually Zelepukin, etc, but it's a great video!
There were good goalies- grant fuhr is in the hall of fame, liut was a premier goalie in the late 70s-early 80s and i think hes in the hall, too. Hextall won a hart trophy, vezina, as well as the conn smythe in a losing effort. Mike vernons not a scrub at all, and billy smith won 4 stanley cups in a row. Its not the goalies that suck, its the "defensemen". Teams essentially sent 5 forwards on the ice, no doubt influenced by the soviet 5-man units
yeah the center ice goals are totally the dmen
The rule is the NHL only got hard to score in when your favorite player started.
Gretzky's 894 goals doesn't seem that great anymore lol
I disagree with saying the 80's had bad goaltending, or low talent. It was that coming out of the 70's and early 80's, you had players (like Gretzky) who were ahead of their time, and developing a new offensive style of play. Sticks were also starting to get curved and developed more. Also in the late 70's/early 80's is when players started training all year around, and the NHL was being taken alot more seriously and players were developing at a younger age. Before than most players played their season, then took the summer off and worked day jobs. It just took a few years for goaltending to catch up, the butterfly technique evened out the playing field quiet a bit. But in the awkward gap in the 80's when .880 was considered a good save %, was when goaltending was still catching up. This was nothing more than an old school blooper reel... which in all fairness to even goalies of today, it would be easy to make a blooper of say the 2017 season, and say that goalies of the 2010's are bad... especially to someone 20 years later.
The NHL expanded too rapidly during the latter 1970s and into the 1980s, which - for a time - diluted the talent level in the NHL. There were players holding down NHL jobs that didn't really have any business being in the league, but they were there because the game had not yet readjusted to its larger new size. The influx of players from Europe and elsewhere made good the gap, though, and by the mid-1990s, the equilibrium was largely restored. It was also around that time that individual season point totals and points/game per player and per team - started coming back to earth.
Was that really Hextall at 2:30? I think the number is 33? Who was that... BTW, keep up the awesome work my friend!
Joe Carelli no it was mark laforest not hextall
I thought it was, but to be honest, I didn't slow down the footage and take a close look. It just looked like him, so I said his name. I could totally be wrong.
Grant Fuhr had sick talent. He was arguably the best of that era. So quick, light on his feet, great stance.
Why cause he won a ton of games lol
He let in so many goals an was carried by a good team when judging goalies u have to take there win loss record out of the equation to even be able to accurately evaluate goalies
No nothing to do with win loss record. He was one of the best if not best “reaction” style goaltenders. He was great in clutch situations. Just my opinion.
All the tendies then gave up real stinkers in that era. And yes grant benefited being on a great offensive team. But still was great in that era.
I played the position a long time. I know how to gauge.
Sure goalies were awful, but you have to realize that in the 80s they're were many NATURAL goal scorers, compared to today. Too many hockey franchises means less talent and goalie equipments are bigger than the nets nowadays. Today's superstars aren't cracked up to be scorers! Less talent means too many hold and grab hockey. That's why NHL made rules changes to help elevate scoring.
The nhl 84
They look like a fish out of water
Goalies in the 80"s were small and not very athletic.
In today's game, goalies are big, strong and talented. They are elite athletes; they have to be to play the position in today's game. Forty years ago or more, the guy sent to play goal was often in the net because he couldn't win a spot anyplace else. Don't get me wrong;there were amazing goalies in those days just as now. It is simply that the talent was not as consistent then. I'd match Tony Esposito or Ken Dryden in their primes up against any modern tenders. They were fabulous. Espo helped invent the butterfly style which is so common today, and Dryden inaugurated the trend for large tall men to be net-minders.
About that Bob Mason softy (which was the tying goal in regulation of the Easter Epic) apparently his skate blade had just broke so he was basically playing the final minutes of the third period on one foot. Very unfortunate timing for him and the Caps.
Love the old time footage!
That Mason goal vs Trottier. That was in game 7 1987. That goal tied the game and sent it into OT and gave us maybe the greatest overtime battle ever. Supposedly a strap broke on Masons pad and that's why the puck slipped through
A huge issue was expansion which diluted the talent pool for the goaltender positions and with only North America as your only breeding ground for talent in those days, you had guys who wouldn’t have made it as NHL players, playing everyday. It’s quite obvious once the 90’s came along and Europe opened up due to the fall of the Soviet Union you began to see way more talent across the league at every position and the goaltender position got an added boost to its limited player pool with all of those European players despite even more expansion in the 90’s. Also it helped that everyone adopted the butterfly technique in the 90’s and all of the sudden not every five hole shot is going in and games aren’t 8-7 every other game.
teams didn't play suffocating defense back then which made for way more entertaining hockey and FAR more athletic goaltending......i think the big difference isn't that they sucked its that they were way smaller with smaller equipment mixed with run and gun styles of team play.....late 80's early 90's nhl was the best era imo.....goalies pads are too goddam big now and it'd be nice to see more smaller goalies.....the last real small goalie i can remember is arturs irbe and that was years ago.
Didn't panger have a 6 hole?
The 1980s didn’t have bad goalies, it’s just the 1980s brought us very good offensive players
Connor Callahan sure if that makes you sleep better.
I would say that the big reason why the 80's brought you so many goals is because the defensemen back then weren't that good. It is easy to have a GAA of over 3.00 as a goalie when you are the only line of defense for your team.
David Reynolds I’ll agree with u on that as well. It was hard to find an all star defensive defenseman cuz they mostly worked on offense. Take the bad defensive players and add it up with good offensive players and that’s how all the games were so high scoring. Grant fuhr and Andy moog are prime examples as they were on a team that was all offense and no defense. The oilers are often looked at as being carried by their incredible offense, but fuhr and moog definitely played huge roles in their dynasty. Even the 1990 Stanley cup was won cuz bill ranford carried them all throughout the playoffs
Connor Callahan - Besides Charlie Huddy, who was Edmonton's defensive minded defenseman in the 80's? He still ended up with 50 points per season because he could sit on the bench and pick up assists watching Gretz, Kurri and Mess score.
The issue with the goaltending back then is that they were discouraged to go down for shots (put alot of equipment behind a save even a basic one) and were only taught to go down on deflections or inclose shots, which lead to alot hilarity as you see on the ice. Alot of their equipment was just trash, and not even much of an upgrade from the 70s gear. I couldn't even wear their 80s gear for ball hockey lol.
Goalies weren't using the butterfly style.
better check the 90's, the best hockey was the 80's
Dominek Hasek started in 1984
Hard to refute choice as the greatest net-minder of all time. "The Dominator" made the impossible look routine.
Alot of these could of just been stopped if they dropped to there knees
All the “goalie coaches” back then always preached “stay up stay up”. I was so conflicted as a kid learning back then because I knew there had to be a better way. It wasn’t a science back then. You were just required to make the first save with minimal rebound control. Most of the goals were blamed on the defence. It was horrible the approach. When patty roy came up all the coaches I knew blasted him and said it’s wrong and he won’t last. Yea I’d love to transplant current day Ovi, Crosby and mattews to that era and see them light it up. Lol
1:51 The shot hit Gosselin right in the neck.
Disagree with you. These goalies were super talented. Any young goalie today can go get proper training one on one which did not exist back then because it was all TALENT. There was no one to teach a system back then because people were still trying to figure the position out.
Imagine Ovechkin playing in the 80's
The game changed so fast. Forget about the comparision to todays goalies, by the mid 90s it was night and day. Because in high school (95-99) my friend and I used to laugh whenever we'd see an '80s goal.
The butterfly revolutionized the position. Notice all the goalies are standing up like a statue, even in close? It was a combination of poor goalies and how they were not coached to stay in their crease, play the angle and go down and take away everything low. That came in the early/mid 90’s.
You are showing terrible goals which we could find plenty today. These guys were the best in the world, the terrible goalies make RUclips videos.
this guy has no idea what he is talking about ....lol
You can take clips from any era of goalies making mistakes and put them in one sided video to make them look terrible. Lol you can say billy smith not hall of famer all you want. Gretzky said he is best goalie he ever faced think his opinion holds a little more weight than yours
I'll say it again.... if wasn't a baby in the 80s there was no way I couldn't play goal for a team.
Love the footage of my beloved Whalers!!!
Frank Bama Brass Bonanza
What if Gretzky played today
50ish points
He admitted that he may have not made it
99 could play in any era. He had good speed, a great shot, tremendous hockey IQ and vision. He was excellent at avoid contact and just understanding how plays would unfold. He would not score 200 points now a days, but he'd be an all star every single year.
@Demon Rat you're assuming nutritionists wouldn't have gotten a hold of him like they do with players these days, I'm sure as talented as he was if he grew up today someone at some point in his junior hockey would get him on track physically.
40 g 80 a
2:32 That Flyers goalie wasn't Hextall. Hextall wore 27. The guy here's wearing 33.
He just guessed lol
Awesome shirt bro
It wasn't the equipment but the technique. Roy reinvented the position with the butterfly. Goalies were taught to stay standing before that
I used to think the NHL limited the area goalies can legally play the puck behind the net to increase scoring. After watching this video, it's clear the decision was made to save the goalies from themselves.
yeah but bob mason was great in that game.. , many of the starters of the 80's who continued to play into the 90's put up good numbers in better and larger equipment.. compare 86 roy to 94 and nobody can deny the equipment difference. and he continued to play until 03, a time when goals were down, in part because of the equipment size and goalies dropping into the butterfly and letting the puck just hit them somewhere. so many goalies today have a horrible blocker hand, some still have a sweet glove at least, but most of the time they're just trying to let it hit their huge chest pad or leg pads. it's rare these days to see a goalie go full thomas or hasek mode, which is why if it does happen it ends up on the nightly highlight reel.. but there was alot more scrambling like that going on in the 80's because it was before the butterfly style for the most part that we know today. and in 05 they removed the 2 line pass rule to get more speed, action, goals and fan interest back into the game.. which it did, but it also created more high speed impacts, injuries and headshots.. which has led to no head contact during the regular season.. within 5-8 yrs fighting and full body contact will likely be gone, they already call it charging now when the player making the hit has been gliding for 3 meters..
This is footage from Hockey: The Lighter Side 😂 Its a VHS tape.
You ever listen to someone who never played the game - they all talk a good game
Mike Vernon he was a good goalie
Decent at best.
Just my opinion but the run n gun, open style of play, lack of goalie specific training, still crappy equipment (especially the pads, upper body n skates) and the difficult transition from stand up to a hybrid / butterfly style was happening.
As far as Roy being the only great goalie to play in the 80's, I disagree. Again, just my opinion.
No good goalies from 80s???you must be kidding! Fuhr, Vernon, Richter, Vanbiesbrouck, Hextall, Ranford, Belfour and many others all began to play in the 80s!! Even Hasek.
They changed there game as time went on an goalies cna grow as they age hasek was not a good goalie in the 80s he wasn't a good goalie till like 93 right about when the nhl really started to change to today's game
U know absolutely nonthing
If hasek wasn't even good enough for the nhl in the 80s don't run your mouth
This is why Lemieuxs 93 season is the best personal season ever 60 games played 69 goals 160 points when the goalies where alot better than this..imagine if he didn't miss 24 games that's almost 1/3 of the season 👀
Lmao I am literally season now that you did that exact video lol my bad
1:37...it's easy to get a laugh from that clip but as a guy who played goal in the 80's and knows the equipment, it is NOT easy to be going full tilt, fall and then get right back up without breaking a stride! lol. Nice recovery I'd say!
This is why people think Grezkey is not the best player
This was a time where you were considered a god if you had a save percentage of over .900
lmao literally just came from the alumni edm wpg game where essensa was in goal to see him featured in this
Still fun, the second time around.
Wasn't this edit just from Don Cherry Rockem Sockem? With lame music overlaid on top?
some goalies from the 80's were really good like hextall fuhr and roy but some were straight up terrible
This is rock em sick em 1
It really was just the equipment size & goaltenders needing to play a safer style of play because it wasn't as protective (no neck guards). If you watch Patrick Roy (credited with popularizing the butterfly stance) back then, he would challenge the shooter or make more desperation saves than when he played in the 90's, when the equipment became safer & larger.
Do a great saves of the 80s one!
Sadly the channel has been inactive for almost 3 years.
Those were the best men in the world playing a very difficult position in pro sports.
To say that they weren't good is to imply that there were better men for those jobs at that time.
If the goalies of today were alive back then they would not have been any better than these men were.
A rising tide lifts all boats. Todays's players might be better than those of yesteryear because of two factors; training regimens have improved & so has the equipment.
They are not better because they are somehow genetically superior or superior regarding skill.
Let's see one of today's goalies do a 4 overtime playoff game like Kelly Hrudey back in 1987.
exactly
Great clips...but I feel it's not entirely fair. The goalies were much smaller, pads much smaller (and also heavier) defense was played much looser...teams generally played fast and loose and took chances. This is the best they could do with what they had. Yes more bad goals happened but goalies were way more under siege than they are today. Left exposed to odd man rushes...they were crashed into a lot more. They didnt have the massive pads that could just block off the entire bottom of the net or huge gloves or D that expertly blocked shots. The puck came at you all game from everywhere and when that happens...yea you're gonna let in some bad ones