Uh, ROXY whatcha doin? 😳😶🌫️🫣😵💫 | Mushoku Tensei s2 e23 reaction
HTML-код
- Опубликовано: 5 авг 2024
- #mushokutensei #anime #animereaction #joblessreincarnation
⭐️ EARLY, FULL-LENGTH REACTIONS
/ animedatenight
⭐️ JOIN THE DATE NIGHT DISCORD 💬
/ discord
The series is about a jobless overweight man who dies after having a withdrawn life and reincarnates in a fantasy world while keeping his memories of his previous life, determined to enjoy his new life without regrets under the name Rudeus Greyrat.
FAIR USE: *Copyright Disclaimer Under Section 107 of the Copyright Act 1976, allowance is made for "fair use" for purposes such as criticism, comment, news reporting, teaching, scholarship, and research. Fair use is a use permitted by copyright statute that might otherwise be infringing. Non-profit, educational or personal use tips the balance in favor of fair use. NO COPYRIGHT INFRINGEMENT INTENDED. All rights belong to their respective owners. mushoku tensei reaction
00:00 Introduction
07:01 reaction
26:44 discussion
I gotta drop this comment, because among all the people who gave their reactions to this episode, you guys have been the best at being insightful about Roxy and this world's rules and cultures.
I love that you understood best what Roxy has been going through (despite the episode missing crucial details from the LN!), you still respected her and made sense of her actions and feelings, you understood that Rudeus is a fragile person unlike what people perceived him as a strong individual (you caught on that 100%), and best of all you guys never lingered on or made issues on the ethics and rules of this world on mono/polygamy! This is a different world, with different sensibilities and cultures. We as the audience don't need to insert our real-world sensibilities nor do we have to fully agree on it just because we like the series, we just have to enjoy the series at it unfolds.
Adding some tidbit though, I believe the demon and beast races are used to the concept of concubines and multiple partners, thus you can see how Roxy didn't react negatively to being proposed by Rudeus (while already having Sylphy).
Thanks so much! We worried we were overanalyzing maybe
@@AnimeDateNight I have not watched yet but just reading d_mizuki's comment I know I'm in for a lovely reaction. Not that it's ever bad on this channel. And no you never over analyze. I'm ashamed to admit this but I've watch about 40+ channels all the way though for MT reactions. lol The good thing that comes from that is I can genuinely say that yes Anime Date night is up near the very top. The very, very top! In terms of what makes a great reaction channel. At least for me.
So thank you this channel is amazing. If your worried about over analyzing I won't name drop the channel as I don't really like doing that on reaction channels in comments. But there is also a pretty awesome RUclips channel of a real psychologist. Who usually does 2-5 hour episode reviews of this series. He loves this series and his videos are amazing. But really time consuming I skip though a lot of it. He will pull up real like documents and go so far in depth and it all adds up and makes sense. Almost like the writer is also psychologist but instead I just think he knows how to write realistic characters and stories.
The interesting thing is when you do "over analyze" on this channel you actually sometimes go into the same beats as that other channel. So you have a pretty great grasp on I don't know? Stories, characters? Understanding people? 2-5 hours is probably too long! lol But your videos are very nice to watch the perfect balance if you ask me.
This whole comment is so nice!!! thank you so much!! 🥹🥹🥹
Amazing reactions all seasons
Really glad I found this channel.
@@AnimeDateNight I would honestly say the same thing, but this good commentor summarized it all perfectly
Roxy: I said I was going to get with someone who saved me in a Dungeon, and I'm gonna do it!
"Sorry Sylphy, your Prince is exploring another dungeon tonight"
💀💀
Rudy the one handed dual wielder
Got that mouth for the second sword, just like Zoro.
lol
The Anime doesnt convey this, but Roxy pretty much saved rudies life. He was hold up in his room for a many many days, (i think it was a few weeks), not eating, barely drinking. He was withering away, replaying that moment of his pauls death over and over again. No one could get him to do anything no matter how much they tried. Finally one day Geese brings up that when men are like this, sex can bring them out of it, they all agreed but since sylphie wasnt there and they didnt think rudy would feel good about sleeping with a random person in a brothel, they tried to get Enelise to sleep with him but she refused since hes married to her granddaughter. They kept pleading with her to do it to save rudy. They even suggested that Lilia do it, but that got shot down right away. Roxy after much thought decided that if it would save rudy then she would do it. (Also she wasnt aggressive about it like the anime portrays it.)
Also Enelise lies at the bonfire and tells rudy that since him and roxy slept together almost 2 months ago, roxy hasnt had her period. Thats the focal point of all this and its what really pushes rudy to try to make roxy his wife. He really didnt want to betray sylphie, and wasnt going to marry roxy. But if she was going to give birth to his child then he was going to take responsibility for it.
Anyways, i just wish the anime went deeper into both of these things cuz it kinda seemed like she forced herself onto him for almost no reason, and he wants to marry roxy purely out of selfishness.
_"Also Enelise lies at the bonfire and tells rudy that since him and roxy slept together almost 2 months ago, roxy hasnt had her period. Thats the focal point of all this and it's what really pushes rudy to try to make roxy his wife. He really didnt want to betray sylphie, and wasnt going to marry roxy. But if she was going to give birth to his child then he was going to take responsibility for it."_
Oh, that's not ok.
@AnimeDateNight no, it's not. It was her last resort after trying all night to convince rudy
@@AnimeDateNight Yeah the author tweeted about saying there were some changes in this episode to make things "more acceptible to a broader audience". Elinalise's move in the source material was very manipulative towards Rudeus, she was forcing Rudeus to marry Roxy as a second wife. She may have good intentions, but relationships shouldn't be forced like that. The anime made it look like she's just talking to Rudeus like an elder relative and Rudeus was genuinely convinced by her, in many ways made the story better.
@@hhjan594 But make normies hate rudy or roxy more
Okay I just fully watched this. How is Madison cooking this hard? Without light novel context, I would've thought that it'd be so difficult to uncover a lot of these nuances. Man, that's a lot of emotional intelligence
that's what I'm sayin! Madi-san and I have different perspectives and ways of thinking and, no gotta show respect - MadiSAMA really gets these characters 😍
"You could've played scrabble" killed me
😆😆
They are not showing the depression very well. They’ve tried everything, but Rudy kept blaming himself, not eating, becoming skinny. Nothing else works, and I don’t think s*x with anyone will work also. Only the Goddess can bring him back to life.. 🤣
Lilia’s think is very rigid. She even raised Aisha not as a normal daughter to live a normal life, but to become Rudy’s future maid and potential concubine. Lilia’s actually kinda messed up in the head for that and it resulted in Aisha turning into a heavy bro-con who refuses to even think of herself as just Rudy’s sister. Lilia practically stole Zenith’s man so she feel like she not only owes her to take care of her, but also owes Rudy to help take the load off of him. She has ever actually referred to herself as Paul’s wife.
_"to become Rudy’s future maid and potential concubine"_
that's her brother 😬😬😳
@@AnimeDateNight yeeeeeeeah that’s Lilia’s way of trying to pay him back for saving her from getting kicked out and feeling bad for thinking he was a demon child lol. Messed up way of thinking. But just like any character in this story, there’s a lot of good to like about her despite all the flaws.
I always hated that part, that Aisha was dressed as a maid almost since the beginning and was purposefully groomed to be Rudy's maid. Probably Lilia was raised in a similar way, but still, it is messed up.
@@AnimeDateNight I heard somewhere that Aisha said Rudy can "use her" when Sylphy is pregnant or something... Maybe an LN quote or something... Animes sadly sometimes "okay" with this kind of thing...
@@sqxbarto9229 the most I can say is that she wasn’t raised like that. But yes, she definitely groomed Aisha unfortunately. On the bright side, Aisha originally didn’t like Rudy and became obsessed with him on her own after he saved her and her mom back in season 1. Unfortunately that combined in a twisted way with how Lilia had already raised her to be a career maid an conditioned with the idea that it was her responsibility to potentially become a concubine regardless of blood relation.
This is just some context for what Roxy did and why she did the anime left out a lot of important things Rudy was on the brink of death he didn't eat for weeks he was basically a skeleton they also skipped over a part when Roxy elanise talhand and geese went to a bar to discussed how to save Rudy bc he was going to die elanise said to take him to a brothel bc that's what usually helps a men get in better spirits she also said she would sleep with him but cliff wouldn't like that so they basically told Roxy she had to do it bc he loves her and if she don't he was going to die she didn't want to do it at first but they convinced him so they gave her a ultimatum they also skipped the fact that Rudy told Roxy the story of his life before he was decimated and how he made mistakes so Roxy found out that he was reincarnated they really destroyed this episode compared to the source material making Roxy looks bad
They didn't ask roxy to sleep with him from what I remember, which is why enelise was surprised, roxy took it upon herself. Rudy never admitted that he was the person in the story when he talked to roxy. He said "someone he knows", or "hypothetically". Can't remember the exact words he used, whether roxy understood what he was saying or not is a different story.
@@Dafiid22 she did understand bc what she said right after implied that she understood what he was saying and elanise didn't exactly say sleep with him exactly but everyone at the bar implied that Roxy should they kept telling her that someone has to do it elanise said it's not going to me his and step mom is not going to do it she probably would tho Roxy kept trying to find another option I felt like they basically pressured her without saying it they basically said one of us gotta rob the bank its not going to be none of us then they all stare at Roxy
@runawaycloak1752 yeah idk, maybe, I just never got that impression when I was reading it
@@runawaycloak1752 Nobody at the bar remotely implied that Roxy should sleep with Rudeus.
Geese brought the topic and explained it to Roxy
Elinalise didn't want to talk much about it and she even suggested Geese to take Rudeus to a brother, this is not something you would do if you are pushing Roxy to sleep with Rudeus
In the end they concluded that Rudeus was going tobe ok.
At not point in the conversation was implied that Roxy should do it. Roxy didn't feel pressured, instead she went against what the others concluded. Elinalise was surprised when she found out.
@@ShiNijuuAKL they literally was talking about someone should have sex with him and they elanise said she wouldn't do it bc or cliff Roxy you don't have to blantely say something for it to be true I shouldn't have said pushed her to have sex they put the idea in her mind Roxy wouldn't have came to that conclusion on her own bc she's to timid and is more like a kid then she really should be she wasn't thinking about sleeping with him at all into they had there convo she heard what they said and said if that could help him I would give it a try
Well observed, Perugius indeed has dragon scales around his eyes, like Orsted.
10:20 You're probably the only reactor who fully figured it out, most don't give it a second thought and source-readers are whining about it being cut out and unexplained. But it seems I was right in thinking that there is enough implications for those who pay attention.
Love your reactions 👌🏽
thanks!! 🫶🏼
Very nice reaction, it's nice to see (especially female) reactors who doesn't just go "this is trash" and then proceed to sulk trough the rest of the episode, as sadly way too many seems to do...
You're both right on the money; We're not supposed to condone what Rudy or Roxy did, but we should understand *why* they did what they did.
You just deduced the next arcs about perugius and nanahoshi, amazing that you both are really understanding this series
Ooh yay! Good to know we’re close. 🤩 Cos what’s his name summoned the lackey to his throne room so he’s got some level of summoning power and NANAHOSHI said she knew someone who specializes in summoning or something and he has the dragon tattoo thingy like Orsted does 🕺💃🏻👯♀️👯♂️🪩👯🕺💃🏻
@@AnimeDateNight Almanfi of the Bright
@@AnimeDateNight They're not tattoos, though. Both Orsted and Perugius are Dragonfolk.
If you think Rudeus will meet Perugius, do you see him freaking out the moment he sees the Dragon King?
I wont say when, why or how, but maddison cooked so hard this episode. Easy 2 michelin stars, maybe even 3.
👀👀
Light novel readership saying the messed up the adaptation but y’all seem to have understood the main points of the episode the anime just skipped tones of Rudy depression and some stuff that elinalise dose to make Rudy marry Roxy others then that as a novel reader myself I thought the episode was great
Can't wait for next episode, and here's to hoping we get an announcement for season 3 a bit quicker this time.
Absolutely love how you guys analyze this show. Thanks for the reaction
@@ocg4481 indeed. Using their critical thinking n observation
What I like about this series is that even though a very dramatic event happens that could easily spark controversy, no matter how anyone feels about what happened, there's SO MUCH to talk about. So much nuance to pick through. How many harem anime out there put this much detail into the relationships?
Great reaction, I think it was the only reaction I saw that was empathetic to Roxy's feelings.
That one line Roxy gives Rudeus has to be the single most moving and impactful in the entire 26-volume run of the novels (this episode being in the 12th).
"Please look to the future. Everyone is waiting for you."
When one contemplates on it, it isn't only about those you know and are connected to now waiting for your connection again, but also those you think have drifted away and all those you have yet to meet. Rudeus has his family and friends in Sharia waiting for him, Eris is still out there, Ariel and Luke look up to him, and all the myriad people he will meet in his life going forward. He is still only 16 when he hears that line, so he has at max about a century left in him if all goes well.
Nice reaction👍. Roxy i❤️u
17:13
You have to realize that Paul married Lilia and saw her as his wife. Its just Lilia who sees herself as a maid. Zenith and Lilia also became like sisters over time. Thats also a reason why Lilia wants to take care of Zenith.
18:51
Lol. Was there really a need to clarify that? Did it really look like she fell in love at first sight when she saw the 3 year old Rudy for the first time? Nah she thought he was a little perv :)
dang you smart man.
It’s interesting seeing the reaction between two people with very different emotional intelligence reacting to the same thing. (That’s not an insult to your man, just something that’s on display in this episode) Definitely one of my favorite reactions to this episode.
Thank you!! We enjoy these journeys and it's always a good time when we bounce off of each other's perspectives
Now go watched a skipped content and see the group basically nonchalantly convinces Roxy to sleep with Rudy and the next morning Rudy told Roxy a story of a reincarnated man and Roxy figured out it was Rudy.
In the novel the reason Rudy chose to marry Roxy was because Elinalize lied to him that she was pregnant and for him to take responsability for that
oh that's not okay at all
They skipped a TON in this episode. Yeah, there were a TON of extenuating circumstances. Elinalise kinda suggested sleeping with Rudy as a solution, but said that he was one of the very few men that was off-limits to her. Roxy was there as they debated it, so it's implied that Elinalise wanted Roxy to take matters into her own hands. Because yeah, Rudy was wasting away and his life was in danger. (I disagree with Elinalise's solution, but she's Elinalise).
Also... Roxy's comment about how Rudy should focus on the familiy in front of him. This was after Rudy told her about being reborn into this world, albeit "fictionalized." He was asking "what should this person do?" and she asked a few pointed questions about the situation. Roxy's a smart girl. If she doesn't suspect what happened to Rudy by now, she will after she meets Nanahoshi. (It never really comes up in the LNs).
There was also the bit about Elinalise lying to Rudy that night and telling him that Roxy hasn't had her "monthly visitor" during their journey. Pushing Rudy into it. But she also explains why... she knows Roxy well enough to know what Roxy will do after stepping aside, and believes it will not end well for Roxy. So... bad stuff for a good reason?
Is any of this justification? I don't really think so, but as Corbin said, it's something to be entered into the record prior to sentencing... :)
I don't know if Elinalise was kinda steering things for Roxy to pick up or if she really was at her wits end about it. During the time they adventured together, she'd tried teaching Roxy romance and to be more assertive when it came to sex, and also suggesting she'd get together with her beloved student who'd be nearing a ripe age.
When Roxy actually does, the boy's already married to Elinalise's granddaughter. So she has a major conflict of interest going on.
_" If she doesn't suspect what happened to Rudy by now, she will after she meets Nanahoshi."_
Ohh we can't wait for Nanahoshi and Sylphy to meet, we hadn't considered that interaction!
@@Tounushi Yeah, she's got strong loyalties to both. Like she tells Rudy in the LN, "I was Roxy's friend before I was Sylphie's grandmother." Conflict was unavoidable when Roxy fell in love with Rudy, so now Elinalise is doing what she thinks is a best compromise for all parties involved.
@@AnimeDateNight The core LNs don't really go into it, but the ladies all have some critical piece of the puzzle, and they talk. So it wouldn't surprise me if they have some idea.
Fortunately, the entire source material has finished, at least for Rudy's story. So you won't have to worry about content dropping off because they got ahead of the books, like what happened to Game of Thrones. There are a number of Turning Points left, and each one hits below the belt in their own way. You've seen three of them now, so you have an understanding of just how significant the term 'turning point' is to this author. So when you see 'Turning Point 4', you'll know ahead of time that the episode is going to hit hard.
We do have another episode, so there's still time for plenty of communication between Rudy, Sylphie, and Roxy to happen. Which is good. Communication is key in any relationship, and it gets exponentially more important the more people end up in said relationship.
But let's be honest here, Sylphie *knows* Rudy, and probably understood that if Roxy ever became an option, Rudy would not be able to hold back. She saw, as Fitz, Rudy literally worshiping Roxy's panties, and was involved with what Rudy did to the two beastkin girls that broke the statue of her. Because you can't 'fix' someone, you can't 'change' someone. And Sylphie knows better than to try. So this conversation will probably be 'more in exasperation than in anger'.
If anyone is going to be truly upset, it's going to be Norn, for not saving her father like Rudy promised. And Norn is more of a Millis follower than the rest of the family, like her mother, so she probably wouldn't approve of the arrangement either. For that matter, his bro Cliff is a Millis worshiper to the core, and might see this as a betrayal of Rudy's vow to Sylphie (which, let's be honest here, it is). So even if the three come to an agreement and understanding, there's still likely to be friction.
"She saw, as Fitz, Rudy literally worshiping Roxy's panties" she didn't actually.
But Rudeus is physically incapable of STFU about Roxy when people compliment him. So Sylphie was well aware of Roxy by the time Rudeus even left.
With a lot of the context cut this felt like a character assassination on Roxy. I'm biased as a Roxy fan, but damn they did her dirty.
honestly it wasn't that bad, tho you might need to pay more attention than normal and thinking about it more than if you read the LN to undertand that what she did was correct (regardless of how the changed scene by making her more aggressive). But I think the key points were there
Not really. Yes, the physical aspect of how exactly it went down was changed, but the spirit of it is still there. She went in there with intentions of sleeping with him as a last resort. She even admitted herself that she not only did it to save him, but she didn’t it selfishly for herself too. That wasn’t changed at all.
There were no other options. Rudy refused to do anything for days not even eating. No way in hell he’s playing scrabble or making figurines lol. Roxy saved his life even if it was partly for selfish reasons.
👍
Live action?
Michael Cera Rudeus
The Rock in a white wig as Sylphie
Kevin Hart as Roxy in a blue wig
Jack Black as Talhand
Yeah it could work
No other Rudeus other than Cera ngl
OK, but we'd watch the hell outta this
I dont want this show as live action….i think at that point ide have to drop it 😞
Rudeus can dual wield in one hand 😂
Somehow, Two females
Hulk smash!
@@Tounushi yeah. 😏
Norn better appreciate that if it weren't because of her, Rudy would've remained in Ranoa happily married to (only) Sylphie, with still both of his hands, and joyously preparing for the birth of first child instead of going through depression. She's got no pedestal to stand on and judge.
@@crabcrouton Well you know, Norn being Norn, a normal 10 year old girl who just lost her parents...... I doubt she will be mature in this scene.
@@hhjan594 I get what you mean but Norn is the most emotionally mature person in the series. Literally no one else is more objectively introspective about their own line of thinking and assumptions. You're massively underestimating her to assume she's a typical 10 year old.
Idk whats gunna happen at TP4….
Pain.
Pain.
More pain.
All the pain.
@@Tounushi 🙏🏾 rip rudy
😭😭😭😭😭😭
I do, I read the web novel...
Very vague spoiler....
That damn diary...
@@Wesker1984 Vague and referential spoiler
What is it with these big stories and basements and diaries?
2:50 i teared up hearing this because man... i wish they knew 😢
They'll learn, we don't need to spoil things.
Pre-Qualified vs. Pre-Approved... LOL! Yeah. Sylphie's had some extremely interesting life experiences, so her perception of "normal" is probably a bit skewed. She spent a lot of time with Rudy's family, so the Paul / Zenith / Lilia dynamic was pretty "normal" in her eyes. And then... since she was ten years old, she's been around Asuran nobility. Half that time back at the capital. You've caught a glimpse of Asuran nobles' & royals' proclivities. Stuff that probably woulda turned Sylphie's hair white if it hadn't changed already. So as sweet and innocent as she seems, she's a bit jaded, too.
_"Stuff that probably woulda turned Sylphie's hair white if it hadn't changed already."_
LOL!! Yeah, we forgot about the Ariel episodes for a second there...
Thank you so much for another wonderful reaction. It is not a stretch to say it really brightened my day. Although I really enjoyed this episode, as a LN reader, I felt disappointed by how much context, setup, and important dialogue was cut. Especially since quite a few other channels are confused by what happened in this episode. Particularly disheartening is how many people are absolutely vilifying Roxy. So I really appreciate how much you two try to analyze and understand the characters and story. Can't wait to see your take on the finale!
As an aside, some commentators are being rather unfair to Elinalise. In the light novel, she did not lie to Rudy about Roxy being pregnant:
"When we drank together in Bazaar, Roxy told me that her monthly visitor still hadn't come."
"Huh?" Monthly visitor...? Oh, wait! I knew what that was. Uh, but...did that mean...?
"Well, it's not for certain yet," she added.
We'd done the deed. It was possible. Plus, the night they'd gotten drunk, she had come and beaten on my chest (albeit weakly). Maybe that had been a sign?
Elinalise peered into my face and said, " Rudeus, if Roxy really is pregnant with your child, what will you do?"
-Vol 12, p 289
She just implied that it was a possibility in order to break through the final bit of resistance due to the mores of Rudy's previous life. Thanks to that, he could finally be honest with himself. It is also worth mentioning that the promise of monogamy was made by Rudy unilaterally. Though it made Sylphie happy, it was not something she had asked for.
Good call on the Perugius but the guy he sent has a fox spirit.
my mans w the scales summoned a fox?
@@AnimeDateNight Yeah, the spirit he summoned, Almanfi the bright, is man with a fox mask
@@AnimeDateNight Different man with the scales. Armored Dragon King Perugius is the guy in the Floating Fortress, but his face was obscured by shadows in S1E8, likely to avoid audience confusion.
Light novel readers are fuming that the anime turned Roxy into a rapist (WHICH IS NOT PART OF HER FLAWS) and literally cut the FOCUS of the chapter: Rudeus' grief. They cut a long monologue of Rudeus processing his emotions.
Also, the Roxy part was supposed to be framed like a mistake. It wasn't supposed to be rape but both of them trying to save the other in a twisted way. Consent. This accidentmeans that he needs to tell his family that his father is dead, his arm is gone, his mother is mentally gone, and, oh yeah, look, another wife. That's literally the tension after this and idk what they'd do with it now.
It is, by far, the worst adaptation of the series. The author also warned us readers in twitter beforehand that he was pressured to agree to do it like this. Studio Bind fucked up
In the book Rudeus did the physical work of initiating the tryst, but he wouldn't have done that without Roxy's presence, so if one wants to quibble about consent, the burden of responsibility is still on Roxy. Her chickening out right before he slammed her down on the bed notwithstanding, she clearly went to that room expecting to sleep with the man of her dreams and she makes no secret of this.
This way gives her more gumption while risking her seeming scummier. That isn't my problem with the adaptation. My problem is with skipping the _totally fictional story_ Rudeus told her and Elinalise's pressuring him to marry Roxy.
_"Her chickening out right before he slammed her down on the bed notwithstanding."_
Uh... what now?
@@AnimeDateNight Instead of Roxy pulling Rudeus back to the bed and then mounting him in the anime, Rudeus pulled Roxy back towards him and she fell in his lap in the novel. She said that they can do it, but then started babbling that maybe he'd want someone who isn't so small or maybe someone with more expertise like Elinalise instead. As she was nervously making excuses, he pushed her down and really went to town. He describes his conduct as violent in the narration.
And when Roxy asked "How was it" (the JP line likely didn't specify the tense, since she actually meant his current feeling), Rudeus thought back to the act and thought himself to have been rough enough for her to feel pain.
@@Tounushi To add: Rudeus is very much a rough lover. He mentioned this with Sylphie and Roxy (LN only so far).
@@ElyonDominus He usually aims to avoid that sort of behavior. The first time was under chemical assistance, and he feels ashamed for it. With Roxy he vented his frustrations on her and he feels guilty about it.
Waaaay too much cut from this episode. Please check out a summary of events from the novel. It is not just reccomended, it is required for how badly the anime botched this part.
They fkd this adaptation up sooo bad, i hate that this is how anime onlys are gonna see roxy.
LN novel Roxy>>>>>>>