I mean, she has a point. Crane literally made Batman think she was dead in AK, and made him think Gordon was dead in Asylum. In the comics and in Arkham Knight, Strange is actually capable of mental manipulation almost to the point of mind control. She has a right to be cautious about the villains they deal with.
Yeah but she should also know how Batman's will power is. Whenever he gets close to the point of killing through manipulation, he always snaps right out of it. Not taking lives is ingraved into his soul, and you cant control a soul. Arkham Knight proved that multiple times.
Honestly I think it was hush mainly because I'm arkahm knight he used people's faces to make him look like Bruce most likely he did something to get Bruce's finger prints and so he uses that to make it seem like it was bruce who did it
When you dedicate yourself to the code of not killing, risk your life for it, only to have an intern suggest your a brutal murderer just because one fingerprint at one crime scene happens to match yours and no other reason. It’d piss me off too.
Batman spends all his time planning for when someone as righteous as Superman goes evil. Oracle applying the same logic to Batman is reasonable and fair.
@2Chimps1Dart You're too young to be regurgitating propaganda like that, man. Even if you backpedal and call it a joke, it's not healthy for you or the discourse.
You know, this whole exchange just highlights a huge problem with settings with superpowers. We know this turned out to be Hush, but it could've been a shapeshifter like Clayface, or a mind controller like Ivy could've mesmerized Bruce into killing someone, or any number of magical/psychic shenanigans. When you live in a world where identity means just as much as someone changing into you on a whim, who would you be able to trust? So I don't know why people here think Barbara is being unreasonable considering the world she lives in. And the scary part is how powers like those are common in DC. Someone wearing your face could frame you for a crime and there'd be no way for you to prove them wrong.
Legitimately why there must be a ton of career criminals out there. They don't get released from jail by some supervillain they don't even get there because "oh it wasn't me, just one of the many shapeshifters/brainwashers that pretended to be me/tricked me into it!" Is a perfectly valid and airtight case
@@justanotheranimeprofilepic As always it depends on the writer. There is a story of a Clayface (not Basil Karlo, which is the clayface of the Arkham trilogy) that incriminated Alfred, not with fingerprints but because he also had the power to control others by infecting them with a part of his body. But he redeem himself when he died by changing his fingerprints to that of Alfred so that the police would believe he was the one who did it personally instead of body-controlled Alfred. So yeah, it could be possible for Clayface Karlo to change his fingerprints if the writers want to give him that power at a moment notice.
@@bipolarmadness5075 I know the clayface you are talking about and yeah the writers seem to go back and forth on how much they are able to do but in the Arkham verse I'm 75% confident clayface can't do fingerprints
@@zacharycannaday6075 valid? yes airtight? depends on other evidence, and/or if any local villains with shapeshifting/mind control have their *own* alibis
@@_Anakin_Skywalker then said "hes batman from the dark kngith returns" *batman proceeds to say weapons are owned by cowards and stops everyone who tries to kill no matter what*
Man, Conroy was the greatest. He manages to convey that Batman believes he isn't responsible but still isn't quite sure of himself, and that Oracle could be right, while trying to maintain that outward confidence and certainty for his friend. It's such a layered delivery that can only come from a master like Kevin.
Batman Arkham VR has Batman killing Nightwing,which turned out to be nightmare due to Joker's infected blood.. why do you think Batman had intended to lock himself up in Arkham knight
Wish they would’ve done something more with that hush storyline, they kinda just slept over it in Knight. Paul Dini most likely wanted hush to be a major threat but rocksteady for some reason decided not to do that.
The situation Barbara poses is why Batman should have told the league he made the contingency plans, so that in the event batman is compromised they don't go walking into a fight they aren't prepared for
@IChaseIRUclips fair point but I was implying how she makes invalid assumptions like here “what if you killed those people.” 🥱 😂 Or the part where she assumed he’d just be going to find ra’s just for talia.
@@rengokukyojuro8822 She is supposed to keep Batman in the right path after all, like that scene where both her and Alfred convince him to stop protocol 10 before rescuing Talia.
@@Strangeminds38 I know. I just don’t like her voice idk. It’s kind of annoying but I understand that, the voice is what I’d say isn’t to great. I’d prefer something with a more uplifting tone.
I mean, she has a point. Crane literally made Batman think she was dead in AK, and made him think Gordon was dead in Asylum. In the comics and in Arkham Knight, Strange is actually capable of mental manipulation almost to the point of mind control. She has a right to be cautious about the villains they deal with.
good point 👍
Oracle is an idiot
Yeah but she should also know how Batman's will power is. Whenever he gets close to the point of killing through manipulation, he always snaps right out of it. Not taking lives is ingraved into his soul, and you cant control a soul. Arkham Knight proved that multiple times.
Honestly I think it was hush mainly because I'm arkahm knight he used people's faces to make him look like Bruce most likely he did something to get Bruce's finger prints and so he uses that to make it seem like it was bruce who did it
@@ethantenski7792 it was hush. this is one of the side missions in the game
the way batman said "I have no idea" was super sus so I don't really blame oracle tbh
Fr😂
"I don't know, wayne. You sound a bit sus lately. Kinda feels like there's an impostor among us"
That: “What did you say?”
was so good :D
When you dedicate yourself to the code of not killing, risk your life for it, only to have an intern suggest your a brutal murderer just because one fingerprint at one crime scene happens to match yours and no other reason.
It’d piss me off too.
@@kurtsell8376 "an intern" lmao
Make me feel like he wanted to punch her in the face
IT wAsN’T mE
She already said : " but there must be a mistake . This can't be correct . "
Means she's still not believe Bruce is the killer .
Batman spends all his time planning for when someone as righteous as Superman goes evil. Oracle applying the same logic to Batman is reasonable and fair.
Damn thats a fair point. So batman can think EVERYONE ELSE can go rouge, but heaven forbid if batman was the one who went down that path xD
@@hidan407 Bruce made a plan for himself if he went bad
@@JoeExoticReddo Yup, the Justice League and his robot. Not sure about the Arkham games what contingency he made for himself.
@2Chimps1Dart there politicians
You need to have been good once to have gone bad
@2Chimps1Dart You're too young to be regurgitating propaganda like that, man. Even if you backpedal and call it a joke, it's not healthy for you or the discourse.
You know, this whole exchange just highlights a huge problem with settings with superpowers. We know this turned out to be Hush, but it could've been a shapeshifter like Clayface, or a mind controller like Ivy could've mesmerized Bruce into killing someone, or any number of magical/psychic shenanigans. When you live in a world where identity means just as much as someone changing into you on a whim, who would you be able to trust? So I don't know why people here think Barbara is being unreasonable considering the world she lives in. And the scary part is how powers like those are common in DC. Someone wearing your face could frame you for a crime and there'd be no way for you to prove them wrong.
Legitimately why there must be a ton of career criminals out there. They don't get released from jail by some supervillain they don't even get there because "oh it wasn't me, just one of the many shapeshifters/brainwashers that pretended to be me/tricked me into it!" Is a perfectly valid and airtight case
To be frank I don't think clayface can do down to the fingerprints. He has to think about who he shapes into
@@justanotheranimeprofilepic As always it depends on the writer. There is a story of a Clayface (not Basil Karlo, which is the clayface of the Arkham trilogy) that incriminated Alfred, not with fingerprints but because he also had the power to control others by infecting them with a part of his body.
But he redeem himself when he died by changing his fingerprints to that of Alfred so that the police would believe he was the one who did it personally instead of body-controlled Alfred.
So yeah, it could be possible for Clayface Karlo to change his fingerprints if the writers want to give him that power at a moment notice.
@@bipolarmadness5075 I know the clayface you are talking about and yeah the writers seem to go back and forth on how much they are able to do but in the Arkham verse I'm 75% confident clayface can't do fingerprints
@@zacharycannaday6075
valid? yes
airtight? depends on other evidence, and/or if any local villains with shapeshifting/mind control have their *own* alibis
Oracle got caught in 4K ULTRA HD
i mean if it was Batfleck then she has a point
Batfleck straight up killed people in that Batmobile chase in BvS and stabbed a person in the neck with his own knife, he's ruthless
Its for hush
@@_Anakin_Skywalker then said "hes batman from the dark kngith returns"
*batman proceeds to say weapons are owned by cowards and stops everyone who tries to kill no matter what*
@@GrifterTheBoyIdiot put in a impossible situation.. it was great.
@@GrifterTheBoyIdiot That same Batman used a gun just like Batfleck did though.
I love how she calls him Batman instead of Bruce.
This conversation wasnt meant to make barbara seem smart. It was meant to make u think if Bruce did this under the influence of the joker within.
She references Crane and Strange, Joker was never mentioned.
@@DiggitySlice it’s a form of dramatic irony, only Bruce and us know of the joker within.
In Arkham City there was no such thing as "joker within".
His blood just killed you eventually.
We only get to know the mad clown thing in AK.
@@AlmightyBshine You're thinking of Arkham Knight. This is Arkham City. Joker wasn't inside Batman yet.
@@SpawnRevenge92 when batman was punching mr freeze he seen joker in arkham city
Oracle inherited Bruce's vigilance. She's drafting up a contingency plan as they speak. Just in case.
Batman wouldn’t have left fingerprints…
Man, Conroy was the greatest. He manages to convey that Batman believes he isn't responsible but still isn't quite sure of himself, and that Oracle could be right, while trying to maintain that outward confidence and certainty for his friend. It's such a layered delivery that can only come from a master like Kevin.
Batman Arkham VR has Batman killing Nightwing,which turned out to be nightmare due to Joker's infected blood..
why do you think Batman had intended to lock himself up in Arkham knight
Yeap I knew this long ago
I miss Conroy man
Oh man, that Batman Beyond suit looks epic!
yes it is
Man batman got personal when he said "WHAT DID YOU SAY!"
heheheh that was so good
If he really killed them Alfred would call him and say something to stop Bruce
“I just, um, well, you know.”
That bit always made me wish you could wheel her into the Gotham River.
Bro wtf
@@mack-attack-420 I am a necessary evil.
@@KazuyaVeranes Wheely?
That’s f-cked up lmao.
Looks like Batman better call Phoenix Wright for this one.
(You thought I would make a better call Saul joke didn’t ya)
I mean
they don't call Phoenix the "Turnabout King" for nothing
maybe even get Athena up there with him, I'm sure that Mood Matrix could come in handy
Hush got oracle acting up
Wish they would’ve done something more with that hush storyline, they kinda just slept over it in Knight. Paul Dini most likely wanted hush to be a major threat but rocksteady for some reason decided not to do that.
Why would batman leave fingerprints... he's literally batman. He wears gloves
Batman doesn’t leave finger prints
We miss you, Kevin Conroy.
That for hush because hush in arkham city(and knight) look like bruce wayne
The situation Barbara poses is why Batman should have told the league he made the contingency plans, so that in the event batman is compromised they don't go walking into a fight they aren't prepared for
It was either crane or Hush
Terry McGinnis vs Bruce Wayne. Lol
She had a point!
Crane And strange are master manipulators to make it do it
Don't forget Jarvis can do it to
Batman's face was distracting me.
Batman doesn’t Kill People.
👍
@@GoodPerson But So Am I. I Don’t Kill People. I put people to sleep.
The. Killer is hush
You know what Bárbara?? , lol . She didn't knew shit since Hush killed those people. For an Oracle sure she lacked knowledge
In their defense, Hush wasn’t know by this point in the Arkham verse
Know thyself.
You damn fool, nobody knew who tf Hush was at that point 🤦♂️
When oracle sucked, the only bad thing about Arkham city was oracle. Annoying more than the other games.
How?
just admit you are an incel and move on
@IChaseIRUclips fair point but I was implying how she makes invalid assumptions like here “what if you killed those people.” 🥱 😂 Or the part where she assumed he’d just be going to find ra’s just for talia.
@@rengokukyojuro8822 She is supposed to keep Batman in the right path after all, like that scene where both her and Alfred convince him to stop protocol 10 before rescuing Talia.
@@Strangeminds38 I know. I just don’t like her voice idk. It’s kind of annoying but I understand that, the voice is what I’d say isn’t to great. I’d prefer something with a more uplifting tone.
he's worse
Which game
batman arkham world