Awesome video! I just wanted to say that Falcions, Messers, Sabres, and Cutlasses were basically very high quality machetes. Falcions were used to carve up meat, basically soldiers that were wearing only gambesons or that had exposed arms and legs. Falcions can't go through steel armor whether it is chainmail, brigandine or full plate armor.
Man, I'm from alabama and recently have been dreaming of getting into armored combat. You guys make things so simple and fun to understand. There is one HEMA gym near me that i will visit soon, but doubt i will be able to pursue armored combat anytime in the near future. You guys need to keep doing what you're doing with only a few tweaks on quality. Otherwise yall do great and are a large inspiration to me and the small group that has found your channel home. Thanks yall, i also wanted to ask, could you use two, single-handed weapons? If so, how affective would that be? Also, samurai or similar western warriors, how feasible is that style in the sport and is it at all affective. (I imagine it wouldn't be considering that samurai would use their katana to slide through and under plated armor and slice or peirce their opponent) ❤
Also wanna say, try to back the camra up some, zoom out some, or get a wider shot lense so you guys can give each other some space and people can see things such as the table of weapons.
The middle one of the video, Jacob, fights in a Samurai kit. It works well. It maybe not quite as protective as some of the Western kits, but he's fast and light and can pack a punch with any weapon. He's really good about controlling the battlefield and picking favorable fights.
I am new and mace has been good to me for grappling and boxing but I am thinking about keeping it as a sidearm and switching to a hand and a half axe for my primary. The buckler is also my thing, dishing out punches and being able to see while blocking has been pretty handy at practice and tryouts. The drawback sounds accurate, not super effective defense, especially against polearms. I am heading to my first regionals tournament this June.
It's funny that the axe featured was called a "short axe", when it's long enough to two-hand often. It's a battle axe or war axe, for sure. When I hear short axe, I think throwing axe or camp hatchet. I guess it's all relative to the context. Those kinds of literally small axes must not even rate in armored combat. I would want an axe beard that reaches further out from the haft to wrap around limbs and pull better. Hook an ankle or a knee then shieldbash, and drop 'em!
This is super interesting, just discovered this sport a few days ago. Was wondering if Great swords/ zweihanders or executioner swords were allowed? I imagine they are impractical and would exceed the weight limit.
@@datcat7404I’m not quite sure why you say a zweihander would be “too long to be effective”? It is just a type of greatsword, and it generally is known to have the ability to choke up & half sword well, right?
Rules for greatswords or zweihander are currently in the works. As it stands, you'll only see them in exibition duels, because they are heaveier and larger than the current rule set allows in melees and duels.
I initially started learning Longsword Fencing before I started gaining interest in Buhurt. (The local club has a HEMA class) I had also dabbled in Kendo in High School, but my strongest influence in hand-to-hand combat is Boxing. The guys at my local Buhurt group have me learning the sword and shield combo right now. I'm wondering if I should see about using the long two handled falchion.
Here's my thing about longswords: Yeah, it's not ideal to smack plate with and you aren't really allowed to thrust, but can't you half hand it and wrestle with it to get your opponent down?
Great question. So well made long swords bend to ensure they dont shatter which makes it more difficult to grapple with. You absolutely are able to half sword which is one of the only things that makes a long sword semi usable in mass fights. But stabbing was absolutely essential to killing opponents with the longsword so taking that option out really neuters the effectiveness of the Longshore in team melee battles
@@saltlakecitycrusaders9811 True, since thrusting isn't allowed, it kinda neuters it, but at the same time though, those swords are used more as a back up weapon when something happens to your primary weapon so in that sense it would a good "oh shit" handle and you could pin down and opponent while your buddies pain him out.
What do you guys think is best for a big guy (6’4” 245)? I love the punch shield and I’m drawn to either falcon or axe. Great content btw, really enjoying it!
Falchions are great, however given that everyone is gonna be wearing plate I would definitely recommend the axe, you're gonna feel it more and like mentioned the hooking utility is definitely handy
Would be interesting to understand why you find a disparity between Europe and the US. Or at least explain it. I can only assume it is a combat rules thing, but I have no idea.
@@saltlakecitycrusaders9811 Ty for responding. Ok, what about a hammer? I watched there is a weight limit and physics would state more force in the smallest area. I've yet to see someone use a hammer
@@joekrafft7125 oh no doubt, but in this context (Armored Combat Worldwide rules at least) a mace is limited to ~2lbs and the "fins" must be a specific size and shape. It does limit their use and many people do not use them as a main weapon because their impact is much less than other weapons. Granted, an argument can be made that rules could be created to "nerf" a hammer weapon like they do maces, it's just not something I think the sport needs because they'd probably end up being a weapon that is not used too often.
Sono un reenactors cultore del"Floss Duellatorum" ... ciò che mi interessa sapere da voi è: perché questa grande passione dei combattimenti medioevali in un paese cole l'USA che non ha tradizione di quell'epoca? È un ricordo ancestrale di ritorno alle origini Europee?
There are people who use those types of axes. There are so many styles and designs of axe heads, just browse through what people offer and pick one you like. Small axe head can pack a punch if its heavy, or move very fast if its light. The drawback, is its a smaller connection point, so you have to be more accurate with it.
@@saltlakecitycrusaders9811 Haha, makes sense. I guess there's no way to nerf them such as dulling a blade. Warhammers are my favorite weapon of the era.
thanks for all of your great videos! what do you use to replace the wooden hafts? they seem bigger than something you typically see at a hardware store?
can you turn an axe backwards and use it as a mace? or is that against the rules? seems itd be more effective than the dinky maces youre allowed to use
@@gallowglass3764 because it could crush the armor, possibly in a single hit. We definitely fight full force but weapons have thickness and weight restrictions to ensure people both live and don't get maimed in every fight.
@@gallowglass3764 because it existed as a weapon historically. Every weapon based sport has rules for safety. If people were being crippled in every fight no one would be doing the sport.
hey, im from greeley and im pretty young but I've really wanted to get into this sport for some time now. this is a long shot but I was wondering if someone could help me get into this sport some how. (places to train and events) I would really appreciate it!
Sorry to necro but no, flails, "ball and chain" type morning stars, all of those type weapons are not legal per the rules. In one episode of the show "Knight Fight" they actually did have a flail being the special weapon but that was just for the show at that time.
Would you be able to use an executioner sword in place of the 2 handed longsword. It doesn't have a point because the blade is actually a square and it weighs 4 pounds and is 44.5 inches. I think you can buy it already blunt but if not just blunt it before using it.
how are weapons designed for armor breaking allowed, i get the mace ain’t a perfect armor breaker but it’s still a dent maker. especially with a head hit
Great question. So historically maces were somewhere between 3-6 pounds. Our maces have a max weight of 2.1 pounds. The decrease in weight and the math behind force makes that weight perfectly safe in our sport. It's actually quite rare for a mace to be the hardest hitting weapon on the field
Can you hook with axes and pole arms? As in, I'm in a mele and I hook the ankle of an opponent and drop him to the ground. Historically it's a valid tactic. But is it legal in the league?
Yes and no. You can get it around someone but you can't have it go under the armor. We have a rule that you cannot purposely attempt to rip off armor with either hands or weapon. But you can hook a weapon and rip it out of their hands
What about hammers are they legal in buhurt? And the quarterstaff have you guies heard about it? Have you guies tried it or gone upp against somone with one? Dos it even work in buhurt? There is just something soo hellerius about just swinging around a bigg stick
12:21 ummm no... They were specifically designed to chop up poor unarmored rubble xD Unarmored as in no metal parts. Think of a falchion as a machete, but not as thin and flimsy. The reason its popular in buhurt is its point of balance being more forward than your typical sword, so more mass presence, just like any other buhurt weapon really (also cause its made thicker and blunt) Striking any form of metal armor with a real, sharp falchion will ruin your edge pretty quickly, if not immediately... Also, the kind of bashes you guys do would leave most medieval swords bent, broken or the edge ruined, not just the falchion. With the exception of those dueling monstrosities that vaguely resemble swords, some of which aint even sharp. Now those things look like they came out of buhurt :D They were, after all, designed to be used in armor, against armor. Somebody should look into those lol
I just discovered Buhurt and i was wondering if only melee weapons are allowed or also certain ranged weapons. I was thinking slings could be very effective and relatively safe also blunted arrows with a wooden or rubber ball at the end could be safe and effective.
If a long sword was never that effective they would have never used it in combat. Sure no blade was really that great at using against a full armored knight which is why they used the point to stab into the weak spots. Which obviously you can't stab in this sport and for good reasons. But long swords and great swords can help counter your attackers balance and disarming them. It's not always about stopping power cause let's face the facts that short sword don't have stopping power and hitting the weak points is only as effective as long as you are good at hitting them.
To my knowledge, by the late medieval era longswords were generally secondary weapons to a polearm or greatsword of some type, I think. They wouldn’t pack the same punch because they didn’t need to as much- mordhau was there when needed & half swording was good of course, as we both know- the greatsword thing is right, though. They definitely worked.
Awesome video! I just wanted to say that Falcions, Messers, Sabres, and Cutlasses were basically very high quality machetes. Falcions were used to carve up meat, basically soldiers that were wearing only gambesons or that had exposed arms and legs. Falcions can't go through steel armor whether it is chainmail, brigandine or full plate armor.
The energy transfer of falchions is significantly stronger than that of a traditional arming sword
Man, I'm from alabama and recently have been dreaming of getting into armored combat. You guys make things so simple and fun to understand. There is one HEMA gym near me that i will visit soon, but doubt i will be able to pursue armored combat anytime in the near future. You guys need to keep doing what you're doing with only a few tweaks on quality. Otherwise yall do great and are a large inspiration to me and the small group that has found your channel home. Thanks yall, i also wanted to ask, could you use two, single-handed weapons? If so, how affective would that be? Also, samurai or similar western warriors, how feasible is that style in the sport and is it at all affective. (I imagine it wouldn't be considering that samurai would use their katana to slide through and under plated armor and slice or peirce their opponent) ❤
Also wanna say, try to back the camra up some, zoom out some, or get a wider shot lense so you guys can give each other some space and people can see things such as the table of weapons.
The middle one of the video, Jacob, fights in a Samurai kit. It works well. It maybe not quite as protective as some of the Western kits, but he's fast and light and can pack a punch with any weapon. He's really good about controlling the battlefield and picking favorable fights.
I am new and mace has been good to me for grappling and boxing but I am thinking about keeping it as a sidearm and switching to a hand and a half axe for my primary. The buckler is also my thing, dishing out punches and being able to see while blocking has been pretty handy at practice and tryouts. The drawback sounds accurate, not super effective defense, especially against polearms. I am heading to my first regionals tournament this June.
I know SCA armored combat isn't quite as intense, however I must say I loved my punch buckler. So so so satisfying!
As someone who joined a club recently and is getting into the sport, this was amazing and really informative. Keep it up guys, great content
Excellent content and great production quality, you guys are awesome. I collect gear for backyard fights but you guys are inspiring me to join a club
Every person in camera on the team has said they arnt big guys. What are the general sizes for small medium big sized in the sport?
generally speaking, and from what I've seen, sub 180lbs is small, 180-220 is medium, 220-280 is big, and 280+ are BIG.
It's funny that the axe featured was called a "short axe", when it's long enough to two-hand often. It's a battle axe or war axe, for sure. When I hear short axe, I think throwing axe or camp hatchet.
I guess it's all relative to the context. Those kinds of literally small axes must not even rate in armored combat.
I would want an axe beard that reaches further out from the haft to wrap around limbs and pull better. Hook an ankle or a knee then shieldbash, and drop 'em!
really appreciate you guys for doing videos like this. there's so much valuable information in this!
So much behind the scenes with this sport.
I wanna do this but there aren't many clubs were im from and I dont know many people who want to do this
This is super interesting, just discovered this sport a few days ago. Was wondering if Great swords/ zweihanders or executioner swords were allowed? I imagine they are impractical and would exceed the weight limit.
I’ve seen great swords before,but zweihanders are probably to long to be effective and executioner swords are ceremonial, not meant for real combat.
Hey link. Yes great swords are legal and we have a guy on the team with a brand new executioner sword!
@@datcat7404I’m not quite sure why you say a zweihander would be “too long to be effective”? It is just a type of greatsword, and it generally is known to have the ability to choke up & half sword well, right?
Question: are greatswords or zweihander allowed?
Rules for greatswords or zweihander are currently in the works. As it stands, you'll only see them in exibition duels, because they are heaveier and larger than the current rule set allows in melees and duels.
Great video
I initially started learning Longsword Fencing before I started gaining interest in Buhurt. (The local club has a HEMA class) I had also dabbled in Kendo in High School, but my strongest influence in hand-to-hand combat is Boxing. The guys at my local Buhurt group have me learning the sword and shield combo right now. I'm wondering if I should see about using the long two handled falchion.
A lot of people really like using the two-handed falchion in melees, however a lot comes down to just trying it out and personal preference
Here's my thing about longswords: Yeah, it's not ideal to smack plate with and you aren't really allowed to thrust, but can't you half hand it and wrestle with it to get your opponent down?
My understanding is that the rules prohibit you from grabbing the blade. So a glance might make a good workaround.
Great question. So well made long swords bend to ensure they dont shatter which makes it more difficult to grapple with. You absolutely are able to half sword which is one of the only things that makes a long sword semi usable in mass fights. But stabbing was absolutely essential to killing opponents with the longsword so taking that option out really neuters the effectiveness of the Longshore in team melee battles
@@saltlakecitycrusaders9811 True, since thrusting isn't allowed, it kinda neuters it, but at the same time though, those swords are used more as a back up weapon when something happens to your primary weapon so in that sense it would a good "oh shit" handle and you could pin down and opponent while your buddies pain him out.
What do you guys think is best for a big guy (6’4” 245)? I love the punch shield and I’m drawn to either falcon or axe. Great content btw, really enjoying it!
Falchions are great, however given that everyone is gonna be wearing plate I would definitely recommend the axe, you're gonna feel it more and like mentioned the hooking utility is definitely handy
Would be interesting to understand why you find a disparity between Europe and the US. Or at least explain it. I can only assume it is a combat rules thing, but I have no idea.
I want a list of things Jake likes more than grappling lol
I love to get that pole arm who made that one
What are the best midievel boots or shoes too get to best move n fight in
@@sirjosefofhessen4527 Try out Steel Mastery, they have all kinds of gear
Being a douchebag
Can you use a pick? Maybe not too edgy but that would seem one of the best weapons against armor.
You are very right historically, picks could definitely do major damage. Fortunately that weapon is NOT allowed or we would literally die :)
@@saltlakecitycrusaders9811 Ty for responding. Ok, what about a hammer? I watched there is a weight limit and physics would state more force in the smallest area. I've yet to see someone use a hammer
Axes...so uncivilized #shields 😌😎
Indeed. #shields
Axe + Shield
Best of all worlds
So are hammers not allowed?
Hammers of any kind are not allowed, which I am glad for lol. Hammers were meant to break people wearing armor.
@@stonecyfer8225 i’d argue that maces were too
@@joekrafft7125 oh no doubt, but in this context (Armored Combat Worldwide rules at least) a mace is limited to ~2lbs and the "fins" must be a specific size and shape. It does limit their use and many people do not use them as a main weapon because their impact is much less than other weapons. Granted, an argument can be made that rules could be created to "nerf" a hammer weapon like they do maces, it's just not something I think the sport needs because they'd probably end up being a weapon that is not used too often.
Sono un reenactors cultore del"Floss Duellatorum" ... ciò che mi interessa sapere da voi è: perché questa grande passione dei combattimenti medioevali in un paese cole l'USA che non ha tradizione di quell'epoca? È un ricordo ancestrale di ritorno alle origini Europee?
I was wondering if it was possible to have a small 2 handed axe with more of a stubby yet hard hitting head than a hooked or bearded axe head
There are people who use those types of axes. There are so many styles and designs of axe heads, just browse through what people offer and pick one you like. Small axe head can pack a punch if its heavy, or move very fast if its light. The drawback, is its a smaller connection point, so you have to be more accurate with it.
@@grantholmes5661 I see thank you sir I'll look more into it
Great video. No warhammers allowed?
I dont think that a warhammer would fall below the weight limit
Yes Warhammer are far too effective so they are not allowed in the sport. We want pain and brutality not to literally kill our opponents
@@saltlakecitycrusaders9811 Haha, makes sense. I guess there's no way to nerf them such as dulling a blade. Warhammers are my favorite weapon of the era.
thanks for all of your great videos! what do you use to replace the wooden hafts? they seem bigger than something you typically see at a hardware store?
can you turn an axe backwards and use it as a mace? or is that against the rules? seems itd be more effective than the dinky maces youre allowed to use
Yeah its illegal to hit with the back side like a mace
@@carlyaustinsebaske-smith3319 what?? Why??
@@gallowglass3764 because it could crush the armor, possibly in a single hit. We definitely fight full force but weapons have thickness and weight restrictions to ensure people both live and don't get maimed in every fight.
@@carlyaustinsebaske-smith3319 then why do we have mace weapons for this sport?
@@gallowglass3764 because it existed as a weapon historically. Every weapon based sport has rules for safety. If people were being crippled in every fight no one would be doing the sport.
hey, im from greeley and im pretty young but I've really wanted to get into this sport for some time now. this is a long shot but I was wondering if someone could help me get into this sport some how. (places to train and events) I would really appreciate it!
I recomend looking up buhurt groups in your area, and if you find any, ask about joining, or going to a practice.
Is having 2 one-handed swords (one sword to replace shield) allowed?
It is but duel wielding is incredibly difficult in an armored fight and nearly makes you completely useless
With all the info in mind, are flails legal but perhaps unpopular?
Tbh the only person you’ll be beating with a flail is yourself. That things will hit you more than your enemy
Sorry to necro but no, flails, "ball and chain" type morning stars, all of those type weapons are not legal per the rules. In one episode of the show "Knight Fight" they actually did have a flail being the special weapon but that was just for the show at that time.
Would you be able to use an executioner sword in place of the 2 handed longsword.
It doesn't have a point because the blade is actually a square and it weighs 4 pounds and is 44.5 inches.
I think you can buy it already blunt but if not just blunt it before using it.
how are weapons designed for armor breaking allowed, i get the mace ain’t a perfect armor breaker but it’s still a dent maker. especially with a head hit
Great question. So historically maces were somewhere between 3-6 pounds. Our maces have a max weight of 2.1 pounds. The decrease in weight and the math behind force makes that weight perfectly safe in our sport. It's actually quite rare for a mace to be the hardest hitting weapon on the field
Can you hook with axes and pole arms? As in, I'm in a mele and I hook the ankle of an opponent and drop him to the ground. Historically it's a valid tactic. But is it legal in the league?
Yes and no. You can get it around someone but you can't have it go under the armor. We have a rule that you cannot purposely attempt to rip off armor with either hands or weapon. But you can hook a weapon and rip it out of their hands
So question: You said the longsword is not a great sword, how good are greatswords?
Greatswords are actually quite good, in the hands of a skilled swordsman ;)
@@saltlakecitycrusaders9811 So practice whacking people and I’ll do well. Got it.
I've worked with metals for a long time, is it possible to make my own mace or dane axe?
Kicking punching with the swords guard and thrusting your weapon what is allowed?
What about hammers?
What about hammers are they legal in buhurt? And the quarterstaff have you guies heard about it? Have you guies tried it or gone upp against somone with one? Dos it even work in buhurt? There is just something soo hellerius about just swinging around a bigg stick
12:21 ummm no... They were specifically designed to chop up poor unarmored rubble xD
Unarmored as in no metal parts.
Think of a falchion as a machete, but not as thin and flimsy.
The reason its popular in buhurt is its point of balance being more forward than your typical sword, so more mass presence, just like any other buhurt weapon really (also cause its made thicker and blunt)
Striking any form of metal armor with a real, sharp falchion will ruin your edge pretty quickly, if not immediately...
Also, the kind of bashes you guys do would leave most medieval swords bent, broken or the edge ruined, not just the falchion.
With the exception of those dueling monstrosities that vaguely resemble swords, some of which aint even sharp. Now those things look like they came out of buhurt :D
They were, after all, designed to be used in armor, against armor.
Somebody should look into those lol
on hafted weapons. are ya'll allowed to have languets on them?
hmm i wonder if its ok if you use a polearm like bo-staff if you know bojutsu
There is tons of polearms but which can you use
Dumb questions can you headbutt someone?
Absolutely we do it all the time!
Bro john come back to Quantem
I just discovered Buhurt and i was wondering if only melee weapons are allowed or also certain ranged weapons. I was thinking slings could be very effective and relatively safe also blunted arrows with a wooden or rubber ball at the end could be safe and effective.
If a long sword was never that effective they would have never used it in combat. Sure no blade was really that great at using against a full armored knight which is why they used the point to stab into the weak spots. Which obviously you can't stab in this sport and for good reasons. But long swords and great swords can help counter your attackers balance and disarming them. It's not always about stopping power cause let's face the facts that short sword don't have stopping power and hitting the weak points is only as effective as long as you are good at hitting them.
To my knowledge, by the late medieval era longswords were generally secondary weapons to a polearm or greatsword of some type, I think. They wouldn’t pack the same punch because they didn’t need to as much- mordhau was there when needed & half swording was good of course, as we both know- the greatsword thing is right, though. They definitely worked.
1st Dude on the left is light in his loafers
DEUS VULT
Very helpful! Thanks!
So, hypothetically speaking, if someone wanted to wear samurai armour, and use a KENABO, would that he allowed?