Always pleasure watching your videos and having the possibility to see how PRO Triathlete work and test their position on the bike to achieve those marginal gains that can make the difference during an WC. Also I must admits the bike it is very nice and it has very clean lines which I assume keep the weight low compared to other TT bike. Giuseppe
That sponge-idea has got to be illegal, right? Didn't they ban the use of camel-backs in UCI-TTs because they were used to improve aero? Granted you are not under UCI-rules, but I would still check to be sure...
Joe, have you considered wearing aero calf guards? Some of the data seems to suggest it can save like 10 watts over bare skin. I’m skeptical, as I don’t see many pros wearing them. But it looks like you are looking for every advantage, so could be worth a look. Rule28 and HUUB seem to have the best options.
Yeah Harry made it specially but this isn’t the fully done version as now we have the position dialled in he’s made me a proper mono bar which will be a lot neater and that will go on the bike. I’ll post it up on insta when I get it fitted.
@@joeskipper91 Thanks for the response. Look forward to seeing that. Do they work with athletes remotely (I am in the US) or do you have to go in to be fitted for something like that? Have tried some different stems to get the pads further out on my bike but can't seem to get it right and the way you have it set up looks exactly like what I am looking to do.
@@danagravina5531 he can do it remotely mate, best thing is to contact him via Instagram and you can send him measurements of what you need and he can make it for you.
Yes mate. New one is in production but I needed to wear the suit for the aero testing as it’s important to wear the same kit you will race in as this will affect the aerodynamics.
@@joeskipper91 so happy for you champ I used to race for age group GBR and did a few Ironman raced for 15 years …. I can see you top 3 in world champs this year buddy , mum and dad used to live in lowersoft
That front end mate was purely made for the wind tunnel and velodrome testing. Never intended for riding outside. Now we know what position works for me Harry from revolver has made me a really nice mono bar but we couldn’t make that until we had the data for what position was fastest. In regards to length every tt bike ive had I always struggle to get enough length. If I go bigger I’m to high on the stack height. It must be something to do with me as it’s like that on every bike so have to get bits custom made.
@@joeskipper91 I thought as much. No stone left unturned mate. Can't wait to see what you do on it. What's your first im? St George? Or something earlier?
Looks like a gravel bike with the disc brakes 🤣 just kidding, when every gram counts why would they put heavier discs on?? Looks great, but would be better with rim 😉
Rim is superior by virtually every objectively measurable criteria there is other than stopping characteristics. And out of all the criteria which are important for TT bikes, stopping characteristics is pretty far down on the list of importance unless one is doing some extremely niche TT courses which very few guys do. Even in countries known for extensive rainfall or which might bump the importance of stopping performance up on the list, its still not at the very top of the list such that it would necessitate intentionally moving to a disc system. If you either lived in an extremely dense mountainous country with few flat training grounds, or if you were doing some niche "extreme" TT's like some guys do that involve extreme mountain courses with lots of downhill and possibly wet conditions, it would be much closer to a necessity.
@@alexjohnson6462 actually wrong, with the new technology they have been able to make disc brake wheels more aero as no need for a braking surface which disturbs the airflow a lot. The argon is fully integrated discs so they have really moulded the frame around the callipers so thats pretty minimal. you also get the huge advantage on tri bikes of having useable brakes. most "intergrated" rim brakes on TT/tri bikes are useless. e.g. giant trinity. basically with the argon setup with super fast wheels like revolver you get the same or better aero. way better braking and ease for travelling. with about 300g of weight gain, which is nothing for flat fast races. id go with the discs in this case.
Agree completely, I had an Argon 18 E119 rim brake bike, the brakes were next to useless as they were so focussed on getting them hidden that the cable routing was a nightmare! I did a race where I had a dead turn to negotiate, and i had to throw an anchor out about 100 yards before the corner to make the turn, disc brakes just make everything easier and give way better options with wheels. Cant understand the old fogies that keep reminiscing about the good old days of rim brakes, you’ll want steam trains back to the mainstream too I suspect 😂
@@alexjohnson6462 Direct drag comparisons aren't the only consideration though, yes hidden rim brakes are going to be less drag than a disc but what you also need to consider is how a disc brake can enable a complete modification of the front geometry of a bike. Look at the shiv for example, that fork design would never have been possible with rim brake and no doubt has some drag gains over conventional fork design.
Maybe I live a sheltered life in the San Francisco Bay Area...but I'm shocked no one is wearing masks. You wouldn't want to get covid leading up to St. George!
I should be getting mine in a few weeks mate👍🏻 looks class
Love how Ray looks at the bike like it is his own, thinking “don’t scratch it Joe” :-)))
Wow, a Canadian Argon18! Awesome! Sam's (and QR's) loss is Joe's gain! I hope Ruth has one too.
Awesome Joe, both the bike and the gains
More videos like this, Joe!
Sexy bike! never thought id see Joe on something somewhat colour co-ordinated
Always pleasure watching your videos and having the possibility to see how PRO Triathlete work and test their position on the bike to achieve those marginal gains that can make the difference during an WC. Also I must admits the bike it is very nice and it has very clean lines which I assume keep the weight low compared to other TT bike. Giuseppe
Yes mate it is actually quite light for a time trial bike. I don’t know what the exact weight is but it’s the lightest tt bike I’ve used.
Yes love this partnership!. Argon is a bloody great bike
QR is better tho. 😎
@@EatMyPropwash canyon unbeatable
enjoy your new bike
and lucky to get it tested in the Velodrome
Roll call, Purple Haze bringing the rain? 💜💧
Awesome bike Joe 👏
Looking slippery mate. Wicked bike!
Killer Soundtrack.
Nice one Joe - like the idea of sponge down the back 😉 think you could do with a rear angled seat post or bigger frame ☺️
That sponge-idea has got to be illegal, right? Didn't they ban the use of camel-backs in UCI-TTs because they were used to improve aero? Granted you are not under UCI-rules, but I would still check to be sure...
Bike looks awesome
Joe, have you considered wearing aero calf guards? Some of the data seems to suggest it can save like 10 watts over bare skin. I’m skeptical, as I don’t see many pros wearing them. But it looks like you are looking for every advantage, so could be worth a look. Rule28 and HUUB seem to have the best options.
Testing I’ve done in my personal case was 5w gained so no brainer for me when racing wetsuit legal
@@nicholasdebouillane1332 I didn’t gain anything at all. That’s from multiple tests in the wind tunnel trying different ones.
What a bike that, I would think you will be able get some good results with that.
2am and watching Joe on his new bike.
Well jealous… cracking.
Some skin suit though, brave man.
You sure you didn’t give too many secrets away?
Nice of @samlong to give you one of his old bikes 👍
Ha ha yeah, he wasn’t maximising it’s potential so I’ve got to show everyone what it’s capable of!
Thanks for sharing. Such a sweet ride! Is that the 2022 E-119 Tri+ in Dig Me Beach Reflects?
Surprised no testing with your race bottle set up? You going with just the back and between the arms?
Awesome bike Joe! What saddle are you using?
Quintanaroo kit and Argon bike lol. Looks wicket fast
Wow ARGON 18????? YESSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!
Joe, does your new bike set up allow for hydration without altering your aero position?
As your Great Britain's best ever ironman. Why do you not get more from GB cycling? And all Britain's aero experts?
Tim Don won't like this!! 🤣
Looks great!
You think you’ll be doing Bolton again this year if it’s a pro field?? 2 months after St George
Probably not mate. That course just isn’t for me.
Hey Joe, How did you manage to get the arm pads so far forward on the aerobars? Is that something that Revolver was able to set up for you?
Yeah Harry made it specially but this isn’t the fully done version as now we have the position dialled in he’s made me a proper mono bar which will be a lot neater and that will go on the bike. I’ll post it up on insta when I get it fitted.
@@joeskipper91 Thanks for the response. Look forward to seeing that. Do they work with athletes remotely (I am in the US) or do you have to go in to be fitted for something like that? Have tried some different stems to get the pads further out on my bike but can't seem to get it right and the way you have it set up looks exactly like what I am looking to do.
@@danagravina5531 he can do it remotely mate, best thing is to contact him via Instagram and you can send him measurements of what you need and he can make it for you.
Old tri suit / speed suit as ur not with QR any more ??
Yes mate. New one is in production but I needed to wear the suit for the aero testing as it’s important to wear the same kit you will race in as this will affect the aerodynamics.
@@joeskipper91 so happy for you champ I used to race for age group GBR and did a few Ironman raced for 15 years …. I can see you top 3 in world champs this year buddy , mum and dad used to live in lowersoft
So what do you do with your old bike?
Set up look good on the bike. But the front end set up looks as messy as a bulldog eating custard. Is the frame too small and you need more reach?
That front end mate was purely made for the wind tunnel and velodrome testing. Never intended for riding outside. Now we know what position works for me Harry from revolver has made me a really nice mono bar but we couldn’t make that until we had the data for what position was fastest.
In regards to length every tt bike ive had I always struggle to get enough length. If I go bigger I’m to high on the stack height. It must be something to do with me as it’s like that on every bike so have to get bits custom made.
@@joeskipper91 I thought as much. No stone left unturned mate. Can't wait to see what you do on it. What's your first im? St George? Or something earlier?
@@michaelrand6049 South Africa mate.
@@joeskipper91 easier than getting in to new Zealand or Australia. 🤣😂🤣😅
@@michaelrand6049 yeah you can’t get into NZ still otherwise I would have raced there.
Looks like a gravel bike with the disc brakes 🤣 just kidding, when every gram counts why would they put heavier discs on?? Looks great, but would be better with rim 😉
Can't believe there are still people who genuinely believe rim to be superior, but here we are ..
Rim is superior by virtually every objectively measurable criteria there is other than stopping characteristics. And out of all the criteria which are important for TT bikes, stopping characteristics is pretty far down on the list of importance unless one is doing some extremely niche TT courses which very few guys do.
Even in countries known for extensive rainfall or which might bump the importance of stopping performance up on the list, its still not at the very top of the list such that it would necessitate intentionally moving to a disc system. If you either lived in an extremely dense mountainous country with few flat training grounds, or if you were doing some niche "extreme" TT's like some guys do that involve extreme mountain courses with lots of downhill and possibly wet conditions, it would be much closer to a necessity.
@@alexjohnson6462 actually wrong, with the new technology they have been able to make disc brake wheels more aero as no need for a braking surface which disturbs the airflow a lot. The argon is fully integrated discs so they have really moulded the frame around the callipers so thats pretty minimal.
you also get the huge advantage on tri bikes of having useable brakes. most "intergrated" rim brakes on TT/tri bikes are useless. e.g. giant trinity.
basically with the argon setup with super fast wheels like revolver you get the same or better aero. way better braking and ease for travelling. with about 300g of weight gain, which is nothing for flat fast races.
id go with the discs in this case.
Agree completely, I had an Argon 18 E119 rim brake bike, the brakes were next to useless as they were so focussed on getting them hidden that the cable routing was a nightmare! I did a race where I had a dead turn to negotiate, and i had to throw an anchor out about 100 yards before the corner to make the turn, disc brakes just make everything easier and give way better options with wheels. Cant understand the old fogies that keep reminiscing about the good old days of rim brakes, you’ll want steam trains back to the mainstream too I suspect 😂
@@alexjohnson6462 Direct drag comparisons aren't the only consideration though, yes hidden rim brakes are going to be less drag than a disc but what you also need to consider is how a disc brake can enable a complete modification of the front geometry of a bike. Look at the shiv for example, that fork design would never have been possible with rim brake and no doubt has some drag gains over conventional fork design.
what are this brakes ?
Is it Sam Longs old bike 🤣🤣👍
Is that cockpit the finished product?
Definitely not. I have an amazing custom made cockpit by revolver which has just been finished and will be on the bike as soon as I get it.
@@joeskipper91 nice! Yeah, can’t wait to see it. Loving the podcast and vids - helping my motivation. Good luck at the WC’s this year!
You should change the helmet
Maybe I live a sheltered life in the San Francisco Bay Area...but I'm shocked no one is wearing masks. You wouldn't want to get covid leading up to St. George!