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I think the humor with Stilgar was meant to make the audience let their guard down about the Fremen’s religious devotion to their Messiah. They make it seem like it’s just some old guys being silly so that it hits you like a truck when you see Stilgar bleeding in the sand and begging Paul to kill him and become his Messiah. And as soon as the audience realizes the weight of the Fremen’s religion, you see just how much Jessica has twisted it to suit her own ends.
Yeah I agree, plus my theater didn't laugh too much. That might be a reason marcus liked that aspect less since I can imagine it would be annoying if people laughed all the time
@@zachfakelastnameyeah I don't think my theatre laughed once everyone was staring in awe the whole time.
Oh except for when Chani blasted that fool with the rpg that was funny as fuck.
I was the only one often laughing. There was so much joy or satire in this movie. How can you not laugh about the roman space nazi look and shit like that 🤣
The way I interpret it, is that it shows the absurdism of messianic faith by taking a guy like Stilgar (who is completely competent, I don't think he fails at anything he does - fuck he's not even wrong to think Paul is the prophecied saviour) and reducing him to saying shit like "he says he is not Lissan Al Gaib - but that just shows he is humble and PROVES he is!"
Then we see the scary side of messianic faith later.
It does diminish the character somewhat I will say, but the tradeoff is enhancing the film's subtext and making him standout from the crowd of rather dour characters.
A worthwhile choice, as I'm sure Denis concluded too.
That was the one time I laughed it was just really comical @@batt3ryac1d
Ah yes, Wonka vs. Elvis: Dune of Justice
Wonka battles Elvis after his pregnant mom drops so much acid her unborn fetus can read the memories of her dead ancestors
Everyone’s gonna edit Austin sayin baby, baby, baby…. In Dune
@@restitvtororbis5330 his mom telling his unborn sister to stfu while she talking to someone will never be unfunny to me
With a special interlude for Drax vs. Thanos. Denis knew what real comicbook fans wanted from Infinity War/Endgame
And we also have Michelle Jones and Yelena Belova
The way Paul screams “silence!” in the 80s movie and the new one kinda nails the differences in both versions lol. Tim Chalamet crushed it
That, and the Reverend Mother didn't make a weird, growling sound after she was affected by the Voice lol
Let’s not shit on Kyle McLaughlin lol. He kinda killed it in Dune 84
@@StevenGolden Her muttering "abomination" was such a fantastic choice
@@willmorton2123 he wasn't bad at all nor was the movie quality his fault
Siiiiilence! **finger snap**
im so glad hans zimmer has stopped drinking and is back to cooking
Legit the best part were the credits for which the turned the OST to max
This is like seeing my drug dealer at the supermarket
Not sure what consensus on this is but I'm glad he dialled back the woman singing in the score. It was very well used in Part 2 but too frequent and a bit distracting in the first movie.
@@dtanobo Agreed, and it was uninspired as well. It's a pretty cliche sound at this point for a vast, sprawling desert in movies. I still think ToTo takes the win for most epic sounding OST.
I really don't get the love for his Dune scores at all. It's either just really loud noise or a regurgitation of his older themes repeated on loop with little variation. You can literally hear themes from TDKR and BVS in it.
I think the humor in relation to Stilgar is there to emphasize how fucked up fanatical faith can be by the end of the movie. It's funny initially but by the end of the movie it's kinda terrifying.
It did such a well job of setting up the idea of him being the messiah. At first its played of as a joke but it keeps growing, showing more and more signs to it and it feels so convincing to the viewer aswell, at some point i was like "yep he is the damn messiah" and all that being ploted by the Bene Gesserit. Its just such a great and unique story.
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@@deadshot0908and the Bene gesserit set it up so that no matter what no matter how, either feyd rautha or Paul would take the hand of the emperors daughter, and continue their reign. Fucking brilliant. I bet the bene gesserit beside the emporer was fully aware that landing on arakis would play out how it did.
Those comedic scenes work because they still serve the story and its theme. In fact they add to it.
It’s a very good critique of modern messianic religions. How it corrupts and hollows out otherwise good people.
Paul: *yawns*
Stilgar: "Lisan Al Ghaib!"
why did people find that funny was that the point? i
AS IT WAS WRITTEN!!
White Jesus and the royal line are the only ones that can save us.
@@beachedwhale12 It's because of the pacing. At least once near the end, you get a big monologue from Paul, then like a second or two of silence/stillness, and then Stilgar just yells "Lisan al Gaib!" Like if they wanted to evoke Monty Python in that moment, they couldn't have done a better job. But is that really what they were going for? Seems questionable.
@@AllUpOns idk when i was watching i didnt see it as like cringe or funny i thought it was super cool this guy is seeing jesus walk i was locked in
He’s afraid of his fate in the book too. He doesn’t actively tell the firemen he’s not a messiah like he does at the begging of this film, but he doesn’t want his “terrible purpose” that has been thrust upon him. I think his characterization in this movie was a way of showing that to the audience without voice over. A lot of the changes seem to be there for the sole purpose of explaining something that would otherwise be fleshed out in the book without dialogue etc.
Hehe firemen
Good point though
In the book he doesn't tell them he is not because he knows it would be useless, even if he died the fremen would go on without him and kill even more people in his name
Firemen hehehehe
this mf said firemen!
Yep, I agree. And that's why I don't really see these things as changes, but more making things more explicit for the screen.
This may be the most visually stunning live action film I’ve seen in a long time. Every shot could be a wallpaper, absolutely gorgeous cinematography and visual effects
Saltburn had beautiful cinematography
@@phoenixfunny4517 it did, but nothing compared to Dune part 2
@@phoenixfunny4517beautiful but shallow unfortunately
Coughing baby vs the family atomics 💀
that's every denis villeneuve film
It was one, if not my best, experience at a modern theater. The IMAX was INSANE. I felt I was sitting in the harkonnen coliseum in that one scene. Jesus what an experience.
Sadly, couldn’t watch the opening weekend at IMAX but I have a good deal on Monday so looking forward to seeing it again! I felt sorry for one review of her, apparently saw it and regular screen and kicked himself for not getting an enhanced screen
Gotta try dolby brother. Life changing.
When they announce Feyd Rautha befor the fight gives me chill
Gonna watch it on Imad tomorrow can not wait
More than once I went "I wish I was watching this in IMAX"
Almost jumped out my seat when I saw the black and white shots were explained by the sun. Idk if thats from the books or something but fuck that hits so good.
That choice was so brilliant. My favorite part of the movie by far.
I thought it was a flashback at first! But then they just kept going with the plot. Very cool
The book doesn't do a whole ton of visual description iirc, so anything you see is probably an invention of the film's creatives
@@retronymphfun fact, Feyd-Rautha's challenge is the ONLY part i had trouble imagining the outcome when i was reading the book. I had no idea what Giedi looked like, what the Baron was doing on the planet and WHO HE KEPT TALKING TO (!!!!)
The visual telling of the planet in the movie was cristal clear and completely stunning, i fucking loved every second they spent showing it
I saw the explanation that the sun of the planet shined in the IR spectrum. Hence why it made the planet black and white
very cool
Dune Popcorn Bucket
Haha wow I’m sure no one’s made that joke before haha wow so funny
It's going to keep being made, people are basic and lazy.
@@dlobelow760 ...🤓
I put the KFC Chizza in my Dune popcorn bucket
@@robertwesley7332 ok and?
Can't wait for The Worst Superheroes ever made: Madame Web
No one else should suffer for that
That is the only good thing about Madame Web. The fact that we're gonna get more of Cosmonaut's Worst Superhero Movies of All Time series.
Tbf Madame Web is barely a super-hero
Get this Madame Web crap outta here. It's Dune O'Clock.
Marcus likes camp. I wouldn't expect him to love it or anything, but I doubt he's gonna give you the incel nerd rage you are asking for.
Stilgar is a tragic figure. He's destroyed by belief. Compared to Part One, where he's more reserved, here he's taken by belief, mocked and made into comedic relief by it. Might not be intentional on the part of the creators but man that's how it felt watching him joke and constantly bend to the voice of Paul.
Oh, wait until you get to the next movie or book c;
That was 100% what I got imo. I didn't even find his scenes that funny for the most part.
I remember reading the books and being disturbed by how Stilgar slowly went from wise leader to devoted fanatic.
I thought they did a great job showing how religious fundamentalism reduced him to a zealot. He was shown to be wise and reserved in part one, but over the course of part two he became more fanatical and less impressive.
After Paul beat Feyd-Rautha, and Stilgar immediately shouts lisan al-gaib was hilarious to me.
I hope some cinemas make a back to back screening of these two at some point
I think currently they’re doing a lot of the Oscar promotions, so probably later in the year??
they did here in Norway a day before the premiere, but I didnt go
@thesenate9455 why didn't you 'Do it'
Apparently Thufir shot scenes for Part 2 but they were all cut. They kind of Saruman'ed him
he'll be back ;)
Imagine a dune part one and two extended cut.
@@AesirUnlimitedtbh I’d watch it
@@AesirUnlimitedI want it so bad. I hope they release them together god knows im immediately buying it on blu ray.
Don't know why Denis refuses to release deleted scenes or extended cuts and then goes and cuts out very important scenes (mainly Yueh in the first movie). As much as I love his films he has really got to stop doing this.
This might be my favourite work from Hans Zimmer yet
Me before March 8th, 2024
I don't know, it could've done with more of Pharrell Williams' influence.
@@professionaldunce6312it would be so sick if the kung fu panda 4 score was better than the dune score. but cmon.
It’s night and day compared to the first movies overuse of the woman screaming throughout.
@@thedingleberrybush6076 singing* and that song is really beautiful
Fun fact about this movie is that the second kiss between Austin butlers character and Stelan skarsgards character was unscripted.
LMAO no shot
@@mosorireayewale2820 yes shot lol. I know people who know people.
Sorry I can’t tell if you’re joking or not. Is this an actual scene in the movie? Lol
@@thefullmetaltitan9732 sorry, for the mild spoiler, but yeah. It's not a sensual kiss really. More like a harkonnen tradition kiss? Idk.
@@wispyluma76The Baron is pretty incestuous in the book (also admittedly quite homophobically queer coded)
For me Stilgar was a very good comic relief character because he does the same thing throughout the movie yet the meaning's totally transformed by the end. My friends were making fun of how after Paul did literally *anything* Stilgar would start screaming "Lisan al Gaib!!" and since he's a devout believer in the Kwisatz Haderach his faith grows into something fanatical and even scary.
agreed, although he never really made me laugh (and luckly no one laughed during my watching in the theater), he gets increasingly more and more lost in his beliefs and when they make fun of him you feel it, not like sad but more like "what are they on with this", and by the end of the movie he's completely devoted to the prophecy.
Especially the ending (spoilers)
When paul was almost dying from his swordfight, you can see stilgar holding his breath, like 'Fuxk, was I wrong about the messiah? Pls don't be wrong, I'll look like a dumbass.' Then paul is okay and stilgar screams Lisa al gaib. It was so funny. 😂😂
@@TheBakuganmaster99
Stilgar went full "I wasn't even worried" at the end there. lmao
I went for the bucket. Stayed for the bucket. Left for the bucket.
Stanley parable ultra deluxe be like
Came in- i mean, for, the bucket
I understood why _Dune: Part One_ was more expository, because it needed as much time as possible for world-building. After all, most of the book is just a bunch or world-building. But it's obvious that _Part Two_ is the movie that went "Okay, we've set up what we need to at the moment. It's time to have some fun".
And I agree that both movies need to be watched back-to-back; that they're very much inseparable.
Denis actually, and I know it's annoying to hear this phrasing, but Denis LITERALLY said this for Part 2. So 100% this was exactly how it was.
Loved that Chani, to me, is basically how a book reader or as a viewer should feel. Zendaya gives a lot of very great conflicting emotions without saying a word at the end. Her care for Paul completely being wrestled with Paul becoming the prophecy that she knows is false. Loved that adjustment for her character.
I’m glad my theater wasn’t like yours at all. One person kept pulling out their phone but otherwise it was silent and free from distractions. Made the viewing experience incredible.
the only time my theater has been this quiet was during oppenheimer. no one talked after it ended, it was insane
@@canona3325 recognizing two different flavours of peak
Somehow there was only like 20 other people in the entire theatre
@@canona3325
Really? Some people next to me for oppenheimer wouldnt stfu
There's always that one person. There was one in mine as well and it was in IMAX 70mm 🤦♂️
Thank you for mentioning Thufir real ones know. I feel like his absence from the movie and the dinner scene being cut from part 1 shows that Denis is less interested in the political machinations of dunes setting and is more into the epic scale and messianic figure deconstruction. Both of which are superb in his movies, it sucks that stuff has to get cut but i get that most audiences don’t latch onto that kinda stuff.
That could lend itself better to a series adaption
The dinner scene was one of the most thrilling parts of the book for me. I found that Herbert’s writing shines when he’s just having two characters have a biting back and forth instead of a big space battle. Based on what Denis has said regarding his stance on movie dialogue, I can see why that’s probably not his cup of tea.
I think that Denis traded the political and conversational sparring of the book (which would probably always have been better in the book anyway due to the ability to have a character's internal dialogue) for an increased focus on visual spectacle and character-driven action scenes, which obviously a film is able to do better than a book (especially a book like Dune). I think that in this way, both the films and the book serve as complements to one another and I'm really happy that they both are as great as they are :)
Movie is long enough already
And the omission of both were the most glaring things for me. But I've always heard with editing movies, "if you didn't cut something you really loved, you're not doing it right"
Dune 2: Dune harder.
Urrgghh I'm Dune'ing
its dunin time
DOON SKWAD
Dune 3 With A Vengeance
2 Fast 2 Dune
I didn’t find Stilgar’s comedic relief particularly distracting, but I do think you’re right that it’s influenced a lot by the crowd you see it with. The only time I remember people legit laughing in my theatre was the hard cut to “he’s so *humble*! Just like the lisan al gaib would be!” Everything else was just mild chuckles, so it wasn’t too overbearing.
They already cut the whole betrayal subplot, so Thufir wasn't really necessary to the narrative.
Although now that I think about it: they didn't really bring Thufir back in the David Lynch version either. They just had the weird-ass scene where the Baron tells Thufir he needs to drink cat milk to cure the long-lasting poison he was given. After that, they never mentioned him again.
God I love Dune because what the hell
I think there is a cut/deleted scene of him "trying to kill" Paul in a Hug with a Gom Jabbar but he kill himself before betray him because honor
So yeah deleted plot
Justice for my man Thufir; keeps disappearing in the film adapations
@@userfriendlyty It's honestly very understandable that adaptations keep cutting him. Thufir was a cool character in the novel but he could very easily have been cut from the latter half of the book as he ends up contributing almost nothing to the larger narrative in the latter half and his story ends kinda anticlimactically imo.
Dune part 2 was great. But part 1 was a vibe you either caught or you didn't. I've heard a lot of people talking about falling asleep during part 1 and I don't even know if we were watching the same movie. I was all in.
I did fall asleep about 20 mins in but i woke up about 5 mins in and locked in.
I’ve fallen asleep all 10 times I’ve watched part 1. It kinda sucks bc I wish I could enjoy it like everyone else.
@@ilikecinema33 that's how I feel about lord of the rings. I've tried each movie multiple times, fell asleep everytime.
Dune 1 feels super unnecessary and has some of the worst and wack pacing issues. Dune 2 explained everything in Dune 1 just fine if not better.
@@ilikecinema33 how are young people falling asleep so easily, is it long covid?
I had the same theater experience. My audience was losing it at very serious, intense scenes. Bizarre
It would be so annoying for me, glad theatres in Norway are always silent. I only have to handle the hard breathing men around me eating popcorn
girl what was up with that i also had this experience. like the humor in this is so sparse i don’t really know what was funny
I think my theater had a mild chuckle at one scene only. (Stilgar being certain that Paul denying he's the Messiah proves he's the Messiah. Because it's half Life of Brian and half just deeply sad).
@@sateleim I think that because it's such a serious story, some people take every moment of levity or mild humour as a source of release.
My theater was dead silent except sometimes there were chuckles, thank god
"What the fuck happened to Thufur?"
You can also add "Where's Tim Blake Nelson?", too. Apperantly their scenes got cut.
There is definitely a 3 and a half hour cut that will never be seen
@@king_supreme1102 Release the extended cut WB
@@zoomerjack5435slim to no chance. You think big companies these days want to please the customer?
Tim Blake Nelson was supposed to be in this???
Denis hate directors cuts. Wont happen, sorry.@@zoomerjack5435
Every time Stilgar was on screen I couldn’t help but think of the life of Brian.
Same! If I were to meet Denis someday, one of my questions would be if he was inspired by Monty Python
"He's not Lissan al Ghaib, he's just a naughty boy" -Jessica, probably
I wonder if we can expect a supercut of both movies in the future.
The Complete Dune. 6 hours long
Fuck it, throw in some deleted scenes and make it 7
I agree the first one is actually a better film, but the second one is a more thrilling watch. When put together and watched back to back, you really can’t go wrong
I wish Part One had more time to flesh out characters and show Atreides influence on Arrakis. I watched Part 1 and 2 back to back and damn Part 1 is very fast paced compared to Part 2, which is honestly why I prefer Part 2. It has a lot more time to spend with the characters.
@@devinbaird2470Damn I feel the exact opposite and that two is faster paced and while it tries to spend time with the characters, is too fast to make it as relevant as the time we spent with the characters in part one
@@upg5147 I agree part 2 has a faster pace, but I still think the time spent with characters is more meaningful in it. I think it's because part 1 pretty much ends in the middle of the story, where the archs of the characters are not fully realized, and also because part 1 has to spend a lot of time world building and introducing everyone. So when part 2 begins and you get to focus more on the charcaters' motivations and finally see where their developments lead (at least for this initial part of the story) you feel like you can finally understand them better and that the time spent with them in the second movie is more significant
@@anacarla6888 I can't really agree. The time the MC spends with the sand people is largely skipped over in the movie aside from the big plot moments so it feels cheap that he is already bonding with them as much as he does. The story sort of makes this irrelevant since he is taken in by most of them for religious reasons. I also think the main character is far more bland in this movie because I don't think he really has struggles or has doubt in meaningful ways. The only time I really like was when he rode the worm. Right before that he was panicking but showed resolve and still went through with it. Everything else he just did without any problems. Even the final sword fight was just a fight and he wins even though he should have died and we don't really know why. Nothing was set up prior that he used here like special footwork, he just won because he's the MC.
@@upg5147 Wdym skiped over? The entire movie is Paul spending time with the fremen. Of course there are time skips, but this takes almost the entire plot. And I don't think the story makes his bonding with them irrelevant considering that only some of the fremen (the most religious ones) can accept him as the messiah, and even then they don't immeadiately accept him as they have to witness him fullfiling their prophecies to believe. In the end, the fact that Paul is very charismatic and manages to bond with the fremen is the reason he is integrated in their culture so well and is accepted even by non believers, so that's a very relevant part of the movie as well. I also disagree with Paul having no doubts in the movie. His very character arch is about him initially struggling with the possibility of being the messiah and being afraid of what it might cause for the ones he loves and everybody else. I particularly find him more compelling here because he stops being a passive protagonist, where he just experiences the consequences of choices of others and goes wherever it leads him, and starts actively making his own decisions. There's not much to say about his fight with feyd, they were both skilled fighters and Paul ended up winning. I think they wanted to tease an almost death in order to make it more thrilling and maybe to make him fit even better the figure of a legendary hero. He became quite powerful after drinking the water of life so it wasn't really that shocking. But I guess we can agree to disagree.
It’s funny you point out the Stilgar comedic relief scenes because I was literally thinking how much one scene, with Stilgar in particular, reminded me of Life of Brian.
I was shocked that they omitted the very crucial scene where Gurney almost kills Jessica over his belief that she killed the Duke. That scene felt incredibly important towards Gurney's character arc where he buries his deep hatred for Harkonen and realizes that Paul is Harkonen. By not showing it, it feels really weird when Paul finds out that the Baron is his grandfather and Gurney just doesn't gaf and still talks about how he wants to kill every harkonen.
I was surprised they cut the scene that Paul cries for Jamis and Thuffir in as well
Just read that part in the book and I thought the same. Would’ve been really cool to see that. I think though even in Dune 1 the whole harkonnen sub plot to cause in-fighting was largely cut from the movie. Because I also would’ve loved to see the Jessica and thufir hawat interrogation too.
I'm a fan of the book and loved it. Tbh some changes were very much welcome, like the absence of Alia and Chani's character arc. But the theme of the danger of charismatic leaders and the fremen culture are explored beautifully in this movie imo.
I really missed the presence of Alia in this movie. She is one of my favorite characters from the book, and I think she would have added a lot, even at the cost of cutting some Chani scenes.
Chani felt a lot more powerless in the final scenes as opposed to the final chapter of the book. Which was very odd since they built her up quite a bit in part 2.
@@cowboyevan I don't know man, a child going on about killing dudes would be pretty goofy. It's kinda like Tom Bombadil from LoTR novels, it works in the original media, but I'm not sure that would be well translated to the silver screen.
@@abnerrufino3613 I partly agree with you. I did miss her but i understand that a lot that was left out of the book was for good reason. Regardless of whether or not it would work to have her more involved in the movie, they definitely wouldn’t have had the time. Same with a lot of plot lines.
@@cowboyevan Also, if they casted Anya Taylor-Joy, might mean that we could see Children of Dune in the future right? It's been a while since I've read the books, but she's like, 15 in Messiah? But they could change the timeline so... regardless, I can't wait to see what Denis will do with the second book, since it's one of my favorites.
@@abnerrufino3613 I still haven’t read any of the others. Listening to the audiobook of Dune right now and am gonna start Messiah right after
First movie Sardukar: creepy language, scary
Second movie Sardukar: alright
I was truly dissapointed in the lack of throat singing in this movie
That's true actually, the Sardukar felt a lot less like psycho shock troops and a lot more like regular soldiers. One of the few criticisms I could levy at Part 2
How tf did he pump this out so fast he JUST tweeted about this TODAY
Was probably working on it before he tweeted that.
A video like this takes approximately 9 minutes to make
Never been more excited to go to the theatre for the sole purpose of buying a popcorn bucket
Keep your spice to yourself, pal
Bro explain the joke
@@jaweel6205look up the popcorn bucket.
I actually loved that Stilgar was unexpectedly funny because honestly, very religious people tend to be a little be funny when they’re desperate for faith. It is also not obvious humor, he’s just there, being silly for Muad'Dib 😅
This adaptation feels like it was Dune but filmed through the lens of Messiah. Now those stories wont seem so dissonant
Never read the books but I intend to, is the transition from Dune to Messiah jarring?
@@senseishu937The reason Frank Herbert wrote Dune Messiah was because he realized that he didn't do a good job showing the dark side to Paul becoming the Wannabe Messiah and too many readers bought into the "White Savior" thing. So he wrote the 2nd book to specifically point out the flaws and problems with Pauls' actions. This movie made it clearer than the original book did.
I really like this interpretation
The Geidi Prime and Harkonnen scenes were my favorites, I love the HR Giger-inspird architect (especially since he was brought on for art direction in an earlier canceled dune movie)
Me too! I will admit I was thinking to myself "When is Feyd Ratha going to be introduced?" Since in the book he's in it the entire time. I'm glad they devoted a big chunk of the movie to him and the other Harkonnens.
not a crumb of thuffir. they didnt even throw in a line saying “oh he died”
Dune is my favorite book series, Dennis did such a fantastic job translating the book onto the big screen I'm very excited to see where he goes next
Edit: Not the minor spelling error noooo
Dennis
Dennis
Dennis
Dennis
@@Snazzeo Now I'm imagining that scene in my head but instead of "Father? The Sleeper Has Awakened!", it's "I Am Untethered and My Rage Knows No Bounds!"
My belief on the humour that is present for Stilgar’s scenes is that it’s done for one purpose. To have the tone drastically switch as Paul reluctantly asks him to lead the Holy War, “lead them to paradise”. The tone becomes one of horror, we’ve been laughing at foreshadowed mass murder, the Jihad. You remember in that moment, that earlier you laughed. Phenomenal storytelling.
It's already been confirmed that Thurfir and a character played by Tim Blake Nelson were a deleted scene in this movie. Would've explained something probably but with the movie on the edge of 3 hours something had to go I guess
Dune 2: Sandworm Boogaloo
i understand the joke
I don't remember anyone loudly laughing in the theatre, but I did accidentally snicker when Chani smacked Paul and immediately the vocalists started belting. Hit him so hard he heard the muses.
I always thought Stilgar was more of source of levity in the books, at least compared to just about everyone else aside from the Atreides men like Duncan. Definitely not a comedic relief character, but the way he would hype up Paul when he started to believe he was fulfilling the prophecy always felt charming. Granted that impression might be due to the audio book voice actor for Stilgar getting super into the role with a fake accent
The audio books for dune are just peak narration. Bar Chapterhouse, not enjoying that one at all.
the cgi was stellar. There were only a couple scenes toward the end where the explosion/flying rocks looked a little fake, but it still conveyed the epicness
I will take all of that over the Part 1 Paul seeing into the future when he's a Power Ranger flipping over and killing Sarakuar
i really appreciate Part 1 but i just can’t even begin to imagine enjoying that one more than this one, this shit has so much fucking juice that its unbelievable and i don’t think ive ever been this immersed watching anything in the theater, ROTK is the only experience that is comparable
btw everyone’s entitled to their opinion of course, Part 1 is really good but i just think that Part 2 is a lot better
Fully agree. Imagine being that lost in the sauce of source material that even for one second you would consider liking #1 more.
I had this huge grin on my face for nearly the entire movie.
@@Guinnessmonkey1i was praying it would be as good as part one. 10 minutes in i already knew i would like it better. i don’t know what marcus is smoking saying part 1 is better because this shit is 10/10 sauce
Having just watched them back to back in an IMAX double bill, I’m with him on this one. I can’t exactly put my finger on it but I think the wider range of characters and uniqueness of seeing it all for the first time just made it a more satisfying picture for me. I think part one has a better three act structure with the intro on caladan, the betrayal and the escape. However that isn’t to take away anything from part 2. Incredible film. Didn’t want it to end!
I agree. Part 1 introduces you to the sci fi. Part 2 IMMERSES you in it, all of the details of desert life were fantastic. Stilgar talking about how Muad Dib is a powerful name really made me smile
The thing I like the most about both these movies is the dialogue between characters I mean I wasn't waiting for the action I was waiting for the next conversation between characters, and I never thought ild say that in a million years just shows how great these movies are
i was actually getting upset when i could tell it was ending. i didn’t want to leave the world and these characters. if that doesn’t mean they did something right, i don’t know what does. i hope they release it soon with all the deleted thufir scenes i keep hearing about because i will definitely watch the whole thing again with those added in
@@brodiemorris2081 spot on when I noticed it was coming to an end I just hoped we get a great dialogue scene and we did having the main character talk with the emperor was 🔥 and having him kiss his fathers ring was fantastic ❤ dune will be up there as one of the greatest trilogies ever made
I felt the same way about Stilgar. I feel like there is some part of those scenes that is meant to show how blinded by faith he is but the performance makes those instances comes across in very funny ways. At least in the theater I saw it, it compounded and basically every insane proclamation from Stilgar was met with more and more laughter as the movie went on.
As someone who has only seen the movies I also think part 1 is a bit tighter and more atmospheric. This one has so much action it doesn't have room for those long more quiet scenes like the first one. Its still dope as hell and I legit can't wait for more Dune movies.
I believe the casting of these Dune movies is why the Academy is making that an Oscar category. All of the roles were cast perfectly.
Not to mention that with Chalamet, Zendaya, Florence Pugh and Austin Butler specifically, this film will attract a younger audience.
It was perfect except for Zendaya. I can't take her seriously. She breaks the immersion for me.
Oh and Christopher Walken. Just... why?
I really love Part 2 but Part 1 just captured so much so well. Like you said, the atmosphere hits so much harder. I think it's just the fact that what you don't see will always be more compelling than what is shown. The anticipation of what's the come after the credits roll in the first part is a whole story on its own. For this one it's just: and then they Holy War'd
One thing I really loved about Dune Part 2 is it really captured the feeling I had when I read the book. Like it hit on all the major things that I liked about the book. Paul trying to do this tightrope walk of helping the Fremen fight against Harkonen oppression while trying to avert the future he sees of starting a war. The themes of people using religious zealotry as a means of control. The futility of it all, whatever Paul way chooses, he looses.
I really love that they expanded on the relationships of the characters. And the action sequences were so thrilling. Even when they're not fighting, Paul riding the worm was such a tense scene!
I just really loved this movie, I want to see it again already.
When I watched the first movie, I was mildly interested but it did not blow me away. Before that movie I had never heard of Dune and only watched it because people said it was good and it was popular. I wasn't particularly excited for dune too, but I figured there was nothing to lose by watching it.
Watching Dune 2 made me love the first one so much more. Seeing me exploration and expansion of the characters of the world in this movie makes the first one make more sense to me. And knowing what will happen to them in the future makes me appreciate where they started too.
"What happened to Thufir?"
By not including Thufir, Villeneuve basically confirmed that the hairless cat scene from Lynch is canon. He's milking that cat for the antidote for the whole movie, Villeneuve just had the respect for Thufir's memory to spare us his shame.
There are fates worse than death.
He filmed scenes with Feyd and Paul but was cut. So you just have to assume he was killed off screen during the Harkonnen attack
I think the narrative in part one is more developed but there are better individual sequences in part two (worm riding scene, battle sequence, final knife fight, etc.). Which as a whole makes me like Dune part one more but I can’t really deny how breathtaking Dune part two is.
Come on man. I just came from Dune 2. It is the best movie ever made.
RIP Thurfir and Count Fenring's scenes
What I’m most impressed about is how they ended the film exactly how Herbert intended with Dune 1. You see that side of Paul that we see in messiah/rhe misinterpretation of Book 1 that made him write messiah
The misinterpretation of Book 1?
@@senseishu937 People finished the original Dune and many took away that it was a Hero's journey story with Paul being the hero. Which is famously NOT what herbert wanted, thus why he wrote messiah
I think Hans Zimmer's score for Dune 2 might be his best since Interstellar
Yea the score was insane
I feel it was significantly worse than part 1
Is a fucking beautiful movie, when I was watching it I was thinking all the time "yeah I could watch this movie and enjoy it even if it does'nt have dialog or history" is that beautiful, the imagery makes you feel the same kind of pleasure that you feel when you watch a painting you like. Three hours of eyegasms.
SAME ABOUT THUFIR. apparently they cut him out at the last second because he was in trailer #3..
As a avid reader of all the dune books I can't express it enough how I LOVE how they took away the hero aspect of Paul. The first book didn't do a good job showing that Paul is also kinda evil and manipulative as power corrupts. But the movie builds on that more and I love the New take for Chani absolutely love. All or at least most of the changes work for me it feels a bit different but I love it.
Dune Part One is all vibes. I love it. Dune Part Two works its ass off to pay off on all the good vibes and mysteries from Part One and I appreciate its efforts. I think cinematography wise there were more shots in Part Two that I was like “holy crap, this is epic” but I also saw it on 70mm.
8:40 Apparently Henderson shot scenes as Thufir but they were cut from the final film. Maybe he'll be addressed in the third film, which Villeneuve says will "complete a trilogy"
Honestly did not expect for Timothy Chalamet to win me over like he did. I thought he was solid in the first one but was worried he wouldn’t be able to sell me as the leader of the Fremen but when he has the speech in front of the war council I had chills. Fantastic!
I saw the first showing at 3pm on a Thursday. Because of the time there were only around 10 people there. Instead of the annoying clap at the projector at the end of the movie it was crickets, until eventually some Chad said "solid movie".
It was a great moment
Ok maybe this is just me. But what’s wrong with people clapping at the end of a movie? In my experience, people only do it for films that are truly special. I think it’s a nice way for a theater audience to show their appreciation for a film together.
@@thefullmetaltitan9732 Mine was full and everyone left in silence. Imo that speaks a lot more than clapping.
Got diarrhea rn but I’ll watch when my strife has concluded.
There was a lot of points in the movie where I was a little taken out because I was thinking "I don't remember this from the book but it's been a while" and I'm glad to learn most of that was just changes. But it was only a handful of times that even occurred to me. I guess this is going to be my Lord of the Rings. They changed stuff to make it a better movie and a better movie means a brighter future.
BUT I 100% WANTED SOME THUFIR
I just want to see him roll his eyes over lol
I compare the Harkonnens to a bunch of General Grievous from the Clone Wars, just dispatching ppl left and right lmaoooo
I feel like that’s pretty accurate to the book, from my memory. The Harkonnen royalty is really sadistic and often murder people just for pleasure, serial killer style.
Same, with my theater thinking the movie was hilarious! That scene where Stilgar was was taking about how Paul was humble so that cements him even further as the One. I thought that was a bit serious and my theater thought it was the funniest damn thing the ever heard. In the Matrix its talked about how Neo not thinking he's the one is actually part of the prophecy, he has to come to truly believe it himself over time, similar to Paul.
I honestly found it a bit funny because I've heard similar things said in my life but I started feeling more and more sad that Stilgar went from a friend and a cool character to a blind follower. The worst part is that it's understandable why. The things he saw Paul do were basically miracles.
Marcus… please… we, as a society, need that image without the Cosmonaut Quickie logo. It’s… too beautiful.
You know that the changes they made for the movie were the right choices when the author's son says that part 1 and 2 are the best adaptations of his dad's work ever
like half of the Dune fanbase hates his son though because they think his books mooch off his dad's legacy or whatever
as a new dune fan I've already had like 3 people go like "NOOO DON'T READ THE BRIAN HERBERT BOOKS"
@@PaganMinDNW I’ve only ever read the original one so I have nothing to say about Brain’s books
Brian’s books are pretty whack tho
@@quinnscarbrough5474 then start reading the others, it's worth it
Yeah, clearly haven’t talked to very many book fans as Brian is notoriously hated by them
He tends to ramble a lot with his adaptations, and I’m pretty sure the spinoff series will be as weird
I liked the comic relief. It wasn't too much.
Truly a spectacle in IMAX 70mm. If you are remotely a fan, and have the ability to, watch in 70mm IMAX your first viewing. Epic.
Yesterday I watched part 1 and today I watched part 2, so I can confidently say that watching them back to back is the right way to experience the movies.
Since they’re both still fresh in my mind I can say that I wasn’t expecting much from part 1. I was just looking for something to watch and I knew Dune had been talked about a lot. I ended up enjoying it, but I wasn’t blown away. In part 2… I was blown away. I’m not good at explaining my feelings precisely, but man, it was an amazing movie to watch
You undersell chani’s character in the book as well. While I think her rejecting Paul as the messiah is interesting, I enjoyed her characterization in the book. She accepts Paul and helps him learn the ways of the fremen but she also has a lot of say in his decisions. Jessica hates chani at first but grows to like her and even teaches her some Bene gesserit skills.
The end of the book is great, and incredibly interesting. Chani knows Paul is going to have to propose to irulan, and she fears Paul will fall out of love with her, but Jessica reassured her that real love is more powerful and important than titles. And the fate of the universe is at stake.
I think the changes to her character in this movie is going to make it near impossible to adapt dune messiah, seeing as her fertility and ongoing relationship with Paul is one of the main conflicts in that book.
Just means a spicier conflict
@@uselesscamel5360 fair enough
@@uselesscamel5360The spiciness must flow.
@@uselesscamel5360 I'm just praying it doesn't turn into a love triangle. That would suuuuck.
I very much agree on the Geidi Prime scenes being absolutely phenomenal
This movie is so good, watched yesterday and it was such an awesome experience. Definitely will watch again
Great to see you again, Marcus.
Just finished watching the video, glad the quickie is dune!!
Everyone: Likes Dune 2 over Dune 1
Cosmonaut: Likes Dune 1 over Dune 2
Also Cosmonaut: am I a contrarian?
Always great to hear your opinions on movies
I fucking loved the changes they made to Chani. She is the perfect foil to Paul. I am so interested to see how they do Dune Messiah with this new aspect to her character.
You are the first person I have seen that enjoyed part 1 more and I totally agree with that. Part 2 was epic and the characters of Paul and Jessica really got to shine, but part 1 felt more intimate and had a very enthralling moodiness to it.
Okay I’m glad I’m not the only one who was confused about Thufir Hawat, I legit thought he wasn’t in the first film after seeing this one
very sad Thufir and Count Fenring weren’t in the movie as they were my favorite parts at the end of the book but it’s understandable with the direction they decided to go
I can’t wait to watch rewatch these films back to back.
I'm glad someone else mentioned Thufir, I was so sad he wasn't in this.
As a Dune fanatic my biggest complaint was that it ended up being two movies instead of three. You can't really have Thufir or enough Alia or a bunch of other little stuff because there literally just isn't time. It makes me sad to think about what we might've gotten if they'd had the guts to just give him a guaranteed three movies like with Lord of the Rings. Ah well.
Really, really hope we get to see this version of Stilgar and Chani continue in Dune Messiah. That could go some interesting places.
Not sure what you mean. Hasn’t denis said that he wants to do Messiah as the third movie?
@@gabrielamaro1470 Yes?
There isn’t enough for 3 movies. Would’ve been the hobbit all over again forcing movie structure onto something that has no place having movie structure. Even having 2 parts didn’t fit well with the end of part 1 having a really weak climax.
I think its already confirmed that Part 3 is happening.
I agree that most of the changes made are good changes for a film adaptation. It was very clever and works quite well to use Chani as sort of an audience surrogate who loves Paul but is very much against his Messiah role. That gives the character a lot more depth than the book, creates more interpersonal drama, and helps drive home the themes more efficiently.
I was however looking forward to seeing some things from the book (namely Alia) and didn’t quite get that. That change probably makes the story neater but I just really wanted to see what they do with the tiny witch child thing, and they pretty much just avoid it by keeping her a fetus.
I too also prefer the more grim, anxious tone of the first movie. The sequel does feel a bit more conventional in tone. Overall though it’s kind of amazing that a Dune adaptation turned out this good.
And I really want Dune Messiah!!
Messiah is my favorite book in the series so far.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who prefers Part One
Thufir got the Edric Storm treatment.
(Slight spoiler warning)
Gurney has that line about arranging to smuggle the remaining Atreides survivors off-world so I'm running with the theory he's alive so I'm not sad about it. Thufir's actor did mention he filmed a scene with Austin Butler a few months ago but who knows. It's like with them not mentioning the Chani/Liet-Kynes connection, I wish they would've taken a minute to tie up loose ends. But maybe they're saving certain things for Messiah. Still knocked it out of the park though
Second one is way weirder if you ask me. When the movie starts with them showing a baby in utero talking to the mom I new this was gonna be good
I thought this was great as well. Dune must be over the top, spectatular, even a bit psychedelic. Villeneuve delivered it.
So my theory with the fact that we didn’t see Thufir, while also considering we didn’t see much of Pieter De Vries in the first movie either, is that they’re saving all the mentat stuff for Messiah, where it takes up a much bigger part of the story.
when i saw bardem playing stilgar in Dune part 1 I knew he was gonna be great because if he can the most accurate portrayal of a psychopath to date, he’ll knock playing a fanatic out of the park literally just a different kind of psychopath
First reviewer I’ve seen mention Thufir! I was wondering the same thing by the end of this!
I JUST got out of the theater, and I agree. I've read the 6 main books and the slight departure from the source material was a little distracting, but only for me. It's a phenomenal movie, but that's kind of what I was expecting
I think part 2 makes part 1 better, since you get to finally see where everything that was set up in first installment leads. It was such an epic spectacle and a sensory experience, I definitely recommend seeing it in the movie theater
Cosmonaut: “Eh, I’ll watch it eventually 😏”
Watches it and makes a video about it the day it comes out.