This scrapper and the individual who "sold" the van to him must be prosecuted for grand theft auto, no exceptions, no mercy. A professional should know better and must be held to an assumption of knowledge that the van was not theirs to take. It was not possible for the "seller" to acquire a valid title so fast, therefore the seller was in fact a thief, and the scrapper knowingly purchased a stolen van.
That's my issue too, unless the business owner can produce documentation (scans) of ID's and a title that has the "sellers" face and information, and a title reflecting they're the seller we have to assume the buyer knowingly bought a stolen vehicle and decided to gamble on if they'd get caught. What's worse IMO is they crushed it, a working van; you could have parted it off for 10x what you make scrapping it. Crime is bad but wasteful crime REALLY GRINDS MY GEARS.
That is where the loop hole is for the scraper. The thief went through a dealership, dealerships do not need to show a title when scraping a vehicle. I looked this up on KAKE News.
@@DannyWildmon , Dealerships don't need to show a title when selling a vehicle under that state's law, but they do need to check actual title when purchasing a vehicle, especially from a private seller.
Everything points to the son of the dealership being the key to this. Saw the van in his friends yard and got him to sign the paperwork ( maybe forged it ) and then took it to the scrapyard knowing that his association with the dealership would allow him to collect money without a title presuming the vehicle was abandoned after a joy ride. Scrap yard is likely aware that not all of the vehicles from this individual are kosher and crushed it quick hoping to get rid of this hot potato before getting caught with it but failed due to the connections of the owner.
I have heard some states don't title older cars, but they register older cars that are on the road. The registered owners signature AND I'd should required to sell a car for scrap. In Ca. Paperwork has to be submitted to DMV and clear before it can be put out in a wrecking yard or crushed. Obviously the thieves and illegal scrappers do not do this.
The lawyer for the scrap yard claims the onus is on the dealer. The dealer's son claims the onus is on the scrap yard. I don't know which crook to believe.
@@kleverichAny person who attempts to sell something without proof of ownership is guilty of fraud. Anyone who purchases something without clear title is guilty of purchasing stolen items.
I do the same. Licensed and everything, If vehicle is over 20 years old they (scrap yards in 2 different states) don’t ask for anything (from us) We do everything above board and would never do something like this. We keep great records. The only snag we had was vehicles purchased from one police auction about 8 years ago. (Cop did not fill out correct paperwork)
The guy who first who said _the owner of the house the van was parked in front sold it to him_ lied. Lying to conceal a crime is considered impeding an investigation. Add that crime onto the criminal charge of grand theft. There's nothing honorable about him.
In our state, whoever is in possession is the one charged for stolen property. You can't crush a vehicle in our state unless you ID. In fact you can't scrap anything without ID at recycler here.
“I bought it from a friend”. The standard line of every person caught knowingly possessing stolen property. They almost never remember the name of their “friend”.
In Kansas, if you're buying a car as a salvager, you must obtain a title. If you're selling a vehicle to a scrap processor, the licensed salvage vehicle dealer must surrender the original or duplicate title with the word "salvage" or "junk" written or stamped across it. (Kansas Department of Revenue website) IMHO, everyone who took possession of the car should be found guilty of selling or receiving stolen property. I suspect that each of them had knowledge that the car was illegally obtained and it's not the first time.
@roflchopter11 No, you just need to prove that they could reasonably have suspected that it was stolen. In this case, it was stolen, and there was no title.
@@roflchopter11 First off, this is why I said in my opinion. Second, reasonable doubt? I think what you're suggesting is that the state must show criminal intent, but that is for a prosecutor and a jury to decide like any other criminal case. Nevertheless, as an auto salvager/scrapper, taking possess or selling of a car by circumventing the state title requirements would have serious consequences, such as fines and/or a loss of their business license. As a business owner you cannot just claim ignorance or claim you're a victim if you failed to follow state laws established for your industry.
I had a flat tire on my 650 KLR motorcycle on a highway in Arizona. I made a call for a guy to pick me up and we went to my house to get my trailer to bring the bike home. When we got back to the bike there was a guy there getting ready to steal it. He told me a BS story of what he was doing, then left. We got back to the bike just in the nick of time. He probably was going to take the bike apart and sell the parts. A problem very common throughout the country.
Many years ago a friend of mine parked his bike, a Honda 500 street/trail (I don't remember the model) in front of a bar. When he came out a while later, it was gone. A couple of guys with a truck could have picked up the bike, put it in the back, and driven away in one minute.
The factory I was working at had unmounted a part which is essentially a 500kg copper coil. Then they left it hanging on a hook high in the air and everyone left for lunch. An hour later it was missing. Lots of people everywhere except the nook the coil was in. And you can't exactly hide that in your pants.
@@perhapsbutmaybe If its a factory, that 500 kg copper coil is probably a part of some large machine they build in the first place. Would need a forklift to move something that heavy around too, don't think a dolly would be tough enough for something that heavy.
@@callak_9974 that's why I think management had something to do with it. How else do you get away with stealing something that heavy and expensive. It all just doesn't add up to me.
My wife broke down not far from home, she managed to get the vehicle into a parking lot. After I got off work I stopped at it and then set up a tow through AAA and went home to wait on the tow truck, since we lived just down the street. The driver got with me and that he wasn't to far away, so I went back to the vehicle, and it was gone. I called him to see if he had already been there and got it, and he said no that he was still on his way. I want to the police department to report it as stolen. They told me that they had it towed and impounded, and that I would have to wait till the next day to get it out. It cost me $220 to get it back. I was late for work because I had to get another tow back to the house. A free tow, less than $10 for the part, and I did the work myself, turned into over $200 and some lost work because the police department wanted money I guess.
So they declared a car abandoned when they had no legal authority to do so. I'd say they should have be sent to their last appointments in the state prison, But RUclips thinks saying criminals in the state don't deserve life is calling for violence.
Well if it was someone's parking lot should have informed the owners about the problem and its being dealt with, see what they say about it at the very least.
I have had TWO vehicles stolen, one off the side of the road, and one that I left at Walmart, because the radiator went bad. Both were sold to these scrapyards! This in middle Tennessee. The problem is real down here!
Dude knowingly bought a stolen vehicle and should be fully liable for it, damages, pain and suffering, then triple it. (The guy who buys and sales vehicles) How do you buy a scrapped vehicle without checking the "owners" license and the vehicles registration? With criminal intent that's the only way you could do something like that, let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say they're just stupid, well then this should be an expensive education for the moron in question no?
Without doubt he's done this before. No one with a legitimate company will come out of nowhere with the idea of buying cars without checking registration first
Knowingly? Can you prove that? 🙄 As a teenager and in my 20's, I bought a lot of cars and trucks on a bill of sale alone. It wasn't smart on my part , but no one taught me any better. Doesn't make me a criminal. You have to prove this guy knew it wasn't legally owned and available to sell. OMFG it's like none of y'all have ever read anything about due process. Thank God we're a Constitutional Republic and NOT a democracy.
@@MrFixItGa Knowlingly? For civil damages you don't have to prove intent. As a claimant in a lawsuit you only need to demonstrate that the defendant's actions produced a compensable loss. Just like in a traffic accident where people don't wreck into a car intentionally; intent isn't required. I'm assuming that the car you bought was returned undamaged. So your case is different. However, if you bought that car and didn't know it was stolen, but then set it on fire or wrecked it in an accident, you'd still be liable for damages.
The person who "sold" it would bear the brunt of the liability. But the dealership and the scrap yard would most likely still be on the hook for not doing their due diligence. They just wouldn't have primary culpability. That's my understanding of the law in most places anyway.
@@newshodgepodge6329 Scrap yard should at least be in serious trouble. There is a title requirement to scrap in ks. Imo they should lose there license & be fined This sounds like they have a racket
You (presumed jokingly) warn against leaving a vehicle with a flat tire, but if a flat tire is all the justification they need, I would expect Kansas to have an increase in tire slashing incidents
It's only theft if they find the evidence. If you find a vehicle that's worth stripping, you take it to a chop shop, otherwise scrap metal will keep gas in your truck as you prowl looking for that score. It's hard being a thief and social media influencer these days.
The scrap yard should be held responsible for not checking for the title, so the owner should be able to sue them for the blue/black book value of that vehicle.
1987: my roommate bought a work van, parked it in front of our house, immediately got a ticket for no plate, got insured and registered the same day, scraped off the "this car will be towed" sticker, put on the plates and stickers... and a junkyard towed the van and crushed it.
40 years ago I drove a wrecker for a local company that had several city tow contracts, We were instructed to 'use our judgement' when it came to 'abandoned' vehicles. They told us to tow and impound any vehicle we found either parked illegally or obviously disabled. When the impound yard was full, and the vehicle was rough or was unlikely to be claimed, we were often told to haul it to the scrap yard. Those vehicles were generally crushed into coffee table sized cubes right away. Some drivers would make side deals with the junk yard where the would buy vehicles the brought in on the side too. Most were vehicles that they noticed hadn't moved for a long time, or vehicles that were broke down on the freeway overnight. Some guys would haul in a dozen or so on busy weekends. It came to an end after a couple of drivers were caught grabbing cars from the local mall parking lot that belonged to late night movie goers. People had been coming out of the late night movie theater at the mall to find their car gone. At first nothing was done but after they got greedy one night and took a half dozen cars, one of which being a near new Mercedes belonging to the sister in law of a city official, they put an end to letting the drivers decide what to tow. Another driver was towing cars off of used car lots and selling them for scrap, he was getting $50 per car. No one was ever charged but they did lose their city contract. I've heard from others where similar things happened in other towns as well. One driver at the company I worked for had a cop tell him to tow and impound the patrol car of a neighboring town that was found broken down on the side of the road. While it was sitting there it had been side swiped by a drunk driver so it had to be towed and impounded. No one claimed the vehicle and it got scrapped, it was no more than a year old but had been damaged so maybe the other town just figured it wasn't worth going after but the damage was minor. We never heard any more about it after it got crushed. A few if us wanted to use it in the local demolition derby at the county fair but the boss wouldn't let us have it.
40 years ago? You must have lived in a crap city. Most places I have lived has rules for how to determine if a vehicle is abandoned and it wasn't left to a driver to determine. The rules are even more strict with vehicles that are impounded. The rules may be different if you live in a place where they start every sentence with "I reckon.".
Steve, this is more than a little problem in Oklahoma. The law says to buy a scrap vehicle the seller must have a title in his name. It is ignored all the time & investigations are thwarted by various legal people ( Chickasha/Grady County/ & more. Of over half a dozen stolen vehicles I was only able to recover my daughter's 1974 Alfa Romeo convertible. The same scrapyard that bought her Alfa w/o a title also bought her mother's 91 Blazer w/o a title. Even two years ago I reported a 1971 Honda 600 Sedan stolen. I inquired with the previous mentioned scrap yard & they said "We don't buy w/o a title". And police do nothing or even obstruct or delay. Big problem in Oklahoma.
At the very least the scrap place can be charged with possession of stolen goods. If I was the detective, I'd get a warrant to check all the vehicles to see if there are more cars there.
Back in the days, I worked for a towing company in Johannesburg. We had a contract with the police to recover stolen vehicles etc. One day I received a call from a client who ran a scrap metal dealer we dealt with. He asked me about a car one of our drivers had just dropped off. I checked our log & couldn't find any record of the car. There was only 1 of our drivers in the area at the time, so I called him on the radio, but he didn't respond. He arrived back at the depot about an hour later, by which time I had reported it to the police & they were waiting for him. Who knows how many others he had "recovered".
In Michigan…In 1988 I purchased a 1972 4x4 Blazer for parts. I took everything off I wanted and took it to the scrap yard. The scrap yard would not take the truck (Blazer) because I didn’t have the title with me. I did however get permission to leave it in their yard and return with the title later that day. When I returned a couple of hours later the 72 Blazer was already processed and scrapped into a 3ft X 3ft cube. So it didn’t matter if they had the title or not. They didn’t have my name or even proof I owned it, but still scrapped it.
Georgia had a law where tow truck drivers were allowed to pickup cars over ~12 years old and tow them from the side of the hwy. They could then scrap them. So soon tow truck drivers started cruising neighborhoods pulling older cars, even out of people's driveways. They added a law that scrap yards had to hold cars without a title for enough time for the police to come by and check the vins for stolen cars. They also firmed up the amount of ID required for the tow truck drivers so they knew they could find them. This was not more work for the cops because they already had to check the scrap yards for stolen cars. This just stopped the stolen cars from getting crushed.
There was a huge epidemic of stolen catalytic converters where i live for quite some time, mine were even stolen once, because my truck sits high enough from factory you can get under it without a jack. They implemented the mandatory id for scrap yards around here, and specifically for catalytic converters, you need to also show a copy of the vehicle registration of where they came from. Which honestly has pretty well put a stop to that particular theft. They know me quite well at my local scrapper, so when I had to replace the cats on my truck because I had a fuel issue, i did bring the registration with me, they didnt ask me for it, one, i showed up in the truck that they came from, and two, I live in atlantic canada, odds are if you unbolt something like that instead of using a sawzall, very good chance you own it. Rust from road salt is the best threadlocker I've ever come across. Lol
I don't understand why this is complicated? The scrapyard didn't buy the car as he didn't have a title. Arrest him for possession of stolen property. If he knows who gave it to him then they can arrest that person too.
It's extremely expensive to restore a completely flattened vehicle. They should go to court and get an injunction for the scrapyard to do that. They extreme cost serving the same function as punitive damages
9:25 speaking of Copper, I do know that when the US pulled out of Panama; locals stripped out all of the Copper wiring from every building on military installations we abandoned
This is so stupid the son says he got a bill of sale presumably without establishing ownership (possession is NOT the same as ownership) so he isn’t a thief. If we follow his logic a buyer, that is allowed to ask no questions, can buy any random car that someone wants to sell , from a parking lot, from a public street, from a driveway.
In 1957-8, I drove from Blythe, CA to Phoenix, AZ junkyard to buy an engine. I was heading home with it sticking out of my trunk. An AZ Highway Patrolman stopped me and said he could seize the engine because the junkyard didn't provide me with proof they owned the engine to sell it to me! He didn't, whew.
Just seen a video on TikTok where a guy had a flat tire on I-20 south of Dallas. Come back a couple of hours later and the car was gone. He has a tracker on the car and tracked it to a junkyard not too far away. They had already tore the engine out everything else usable, then appeared to have crushed it with a front loader.
The "junk vehicle buyer"/recycler should be shut down and probably charged. You have to check that the vehicle is even owned by the person bringing it in. If not then you're just a stolen vehicle disappearer. And if this guy said he bought the vehicle from his buddy, it was in front of his house, well then they should be able to talk to that "buddy" and see if he admits to that. If he does well then arrest and charge the guy on the spot. Seems like a few criminals working together here to steal vehicles, get paid and disappear the car before anyone can find it.
Steve, I use to run a recycling yard. Serial number on car. We use to record serial numbers, put them on receipt , require ID and signature, record and retain in our records for 2 years on vehicles. Other purchases were also recorded in similar manner. Questionable items were not purchased and police were called. We tried to keep the seller distracted until police arrived.
You have 30 minutes to move your car. You have ten minutes. Your car has been impounded. Your car has been crushed into a cube. You have 30 minutes to move your cube.
That is just insane. Here no scrapper can buy any car off anyone who is not registered as owner. Dealer or no. If a dealer takes your old car as trade-in to be scrapped the title has to be transferred to dealer first before they can do anything with it. This is to ensure this exact problem does NOT occur!
Southern Scrap in New Orleans has an injunction that allows for them to keep any stolen property. My father in law’s truck was stolen and he found it in the scrap yard and the police said he couldn’t get it back because of it. They take anything that the scrappers bring. Just like you said about the manhole covers. In the lower 9th ward they were stealing the manhole covers and the drainage grates also. It was crazy driving up and down the streets watching out for the manholes and drainage holes at night. When it was dark and raining I would use my search light to drive down the street. I never heard anything about the police catching anything for stealing them.
Since this van was currently registered, there was no issue with lost title. There is a VIN attached to a title and registration on record with the state DMV. A simple query at any point in the convoluted chain of illegal custody would have almost instantly yielded legal ownership. I am not an attorney, but logic tells me that everyone in the chain of this illegal custody is potentially liable in civil court, if not in criminal court.
In Florida, the only way to legally sell a car without a title is for scrap metal. I had a 1970's vintage Pontiac Firebird Formula that my mom sold as scrap when I went to college. I came home and there was $50 on my night table. I asked what the $50 was for and they said "we sold your car". If you steal a car in Florida, you can get $50 cash for it at the scrapyard. It had a current tag on it and nothing wrong with it, they towed it with no key and no title.
Had a nearly identical thing happen to me last year here in Virginia. My car broke down at a rite aid and before I could have it towed to a shop, rite aid had it towed. Tow company scrapped my car the next day instead of holding it the 30 days they're required to by law. Clearly illegal but they didn't care. Progressive didn't care either and said they weren't liable since it was towed "legally" but scrapped illegally. Called every lawyer in the area and none of them would even talk to me for a consultation.
If you’re going to buy a vehicle from someone and destroy the vehicle afterwards, you better be sure to do your due diligence to make sure the person you’re buying it from has the title to the car to legally sell it to you. Or you could be sued as well
Should always leave a note on the window, especially a parking lot that you will return soon just as a precaution. Its not going to stop a thief or towing company but might help
Even my daughter was taught to change a flat tire when she started driving, AND had a AAA card as well This was in addition to having three brothers, and a dad with a truck and car trailer. We didn't leave our vehicles overnight broken very often. Not to say anybody should have stolen this kids van, but changing the tire or calling a tow truck would have prevented it. We have a similar scrap law in California and I found some copper and brass items that had been stolen from me at a local recycler. (The cops took a report but didn't really have much time to spend on petty theft). The scrap place was obviously doing this a lot, because they gave me back my stuff ( without a cop or police report) and all the info for the person they bought the stuff from. They were shut down some time later..
This is most certainly not the first time either of the two parties stole and scrapped property. How could any two parties look any more guilty if they tried?
FYI - in Kansas, when you buy a vehicle with a loan - you don't get a "paper" title - instead, the state uses an electronic title they keep in Topeka until the car has been paid off - where you can then request to get your paper title.
If I had a 19-year-old son who phoned me and said he had a "flat tyre" in the family's van, I'd say to him "Great, using the already tested jack, fit the spare tyre, and I expect to see you home just 10 minutes later than normal". In an emergency, you can drive at low speed, 15 mph / 25 kmh for literally miles on a flat tyre. Yes it will be irrepairably destroyed, if it isn't already. And eventually the rim, whether steel or alloy, will be destroyed also.
if the spare is flat and wasn't fixed because the person doesn't have the money to do it And that same money issue means that replacing the tire isn't a good option either, then what?
When I had to change a tire it was a two man job. After having done it a few times I might now be able to do it alone, but on a first attempt it would not have happened.
Tom Bailey the drag racer, lives in a fancy community a fair distance from Detroit. He ha two very expensive vehicles stolen out of his driveway simultaneously. Both were located the next day through a tip. Where were they found? In Detroit with several other stolen vehicles.
Your explanation about titles reminded me of the time I was under contract to purchase a house. A week before the expected closing date, the bank told me they couldn't finance the loan after the title work came back... The seller didn't own the house. 😕
My friend was changing the head gasket on his car and he went into his house to get a tool. When he returned someone had stolen the heads. He managed to track down the thief, and the thief had stolen the heads for scrap.
In the 1990's the copper convectors and copper 400amp service to a house I owned were stolen, could not be replaced inexpensively or the house retrofitted. Had to sell house to the city.
@@roflchopter11 Thing is, you do not buy a vehicle with bill of sale alone, everyone knows that you have to get the title. If the seller cannot give you the title you cannot register is to drive it on the road. everyone knows that
Similar to Jerseyville, IL selling permits to "take" real property and allow the public to walk, stand, sit, display, drive and park on private property. The cops simply tell you that you don't own the property except you can prove that you do. If I have a deed to property and have been paying real estate taxes on that property since 1995, I own the damn property. 14th Amendment violation but no lawyer will take the case so far. Should be a slam dunk. I guess I will have to file the federal suit myself and keep all the proceeds.
In Florida there's two kinds of metal recycling. One is a second hand dealer, meaning gold, silver, you know stuff like that. The other is a second hand metals recycler, meaning steel, aluminum, shit even cast iron, i think. My point is, both transactions, in Florida, require a driver's license or valid ID, and a thumb print. And the people behind the counter at either the pawn shop or the metals recycle know what they are doing. Sounds like my home town should catch up.
if they reported it stolen... how difficult is it for the scrapper or the scrap yard to run the VIN / Plates against the police database and find out that this car had been reported stolen.
And in my state, every vehicle scrapped has to be reported to the state, just so they can clear the title off the state records. This is done with the VIN (and plate if present). When they do this they are also checking to see if it is stolen in order to give a possible owner the opportunity to get the vehicle back and or to report it to the insurance companies. of course most times a vehicle like this would be in such condition that no one will want it back.
That happened to me about 10 years ago my wife got her another car and let me use it. I bought another car but she didn't want it back so I kept it as I was moving I had a friend follow me to my new place so I would have a way to get back to my old address to get my regular driven car. The car broke down and I needed to finish moving so the next day as I pass where the broken car was supposed to be at, it was gone. I was in disbelief, but had too much going on to pursue it any further plus the car was a piece of junk so we chalked it up as an opportunity to dispose of the car without storing at my new address.
I remember a couple of decades ago someone stole the railings off of a freeway overpass around Berkley/Oakland California. Also I've seen a number of places where bronze historical markers have been stolen.
I live in Texas and had a friend who was a top shelf fabricator actually BUILD a Ford Bronco out of parts. That is, he built the frame himself out of spare metal he had around the shop and then over the period of a couple of years, he added to rest of the parts, usually from salvaged wrecks. He bought a crate engine, put it in, did a custom paint job and got it looking and running so sweetly. Then he went to the DPS and found out there was no way to title it, so they wouldn't register it or give him license plates for it. He tried literally for years to get it titled but it just never happened. Well it sat and sat and eventually he used the engine in another vehicle and used some parts here and there and then loaded it up on a trailer and tried to scrap it. But the salvage yard wouldn't even take it without a title. He eventually had to break it all the way down, cut his custom frame apart so it didn't look like a frame and scrap it all individually. Edward was an excellent fabricator but he often didn't think things through.
any person who drives should know how to change a flat. but the flat shouldn't matter do these people just grab cars off the street and sell them. the dealership and scrapper should be shut down
What more documentation do they need!! They have everything needed to work backward and see who stole the car. How is that not something everyone immediately says after hearing that BS reason for "wanting tougher laws"!?!?! Also if a law gets passed, it makes no difference or makes things worse, it should be REPEALLED. Its crazy how ppl are ok with bad laws like that.
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This scrapper and the individual who "sold" the van to him must be prosecuted for grand theft auto, no exceptions, no mercy. A professional should know better and must be held to an assumption of knowledge that the van was not theirs to take. It was not possible for the "seller" to acquire a valid title so fast, therefore the seller was in fact a thief, and the scrapper knowingly purchased a stolen van.
That's my issue too, unless the business owner can produce documentation (scans) of ID's and a title that has the "sellers" face and information, and a title reflecting they're the seller we have to assume the buyer knowingly bought a stolen vehicle and decided to gamble on if they'd get caught. What's worse IMO is they crushed it, a working van; you could have parted it off for 10x what you make scrapping it. Crime is bad but wasteful crime REALLY GRINDS MY GEARS.
That is where the loop hole is for the scraper.
The thief went through a dealership, dealerships do not need to show a title when scraping a vehicle.
I looked this up on KAKE News.
Everyone is missing a very important sentence. The kid who sold the car said he just did what his dad told him to do.
@@DannyWildmon ,
Dealerships don't need to show a title when selling a vehicle under that state's law, but they do need to check actual title when purchasing a vehicle, especially from a private seller.
Everything points to the son of the dealership being the key to this. Saw the van in his friends yard and got him to sign the paperwork ( maybe forged it ) and then took it to the scrapyard knowing that his association with the dealership would allow him to collect money without a title presuming the vehicle was abandoned after a joy ride. Scrap yard is likely aware that not all of the vehicles from this individual are kosher and crushed it quick hoping to get rid of this hot potato before getting caught with it but failed due to the connections of the owner.
"I ain't no thief!" insists every thief involved in this ring.
"ain't no" is a double negative, so throw him in jail.
"I ain't no thief!" is exactly what a thief would say.
As someone who has never stolen anything, I can safely say, it's only true because I've never been caught. 😂
What President famously joked "I am not a crook?
@@erictaylor5462 Joe Biden. (Actually it was Milhous)
The scrapyard and the kid who took the vehicle in to be scrapped should be held accountable
Yeah.
Should need a title to scrap a vehicle in ks
You can't if there's no law to do so. 🙄
In most states, you need the title. Let's see how this plays out
I have heard some states don't title older cars, but they register older cars that are on the road.
The registered owners signature AND I'd should required to sell a car for scrap. In Ca. Paperwork has to be submitted to DMV and clear before it can be put out in a wrecking yard or crushed. Obviously the thieves and illegal scrappers do not do this.
Son.... "i've got a flat tire" dad....."well get out the Jack and spare tire! What are you? A transmission ?"😂😂
I scrap cars as a side hustle, and the scrap yard always wants the title or notarized release of interest so why did the scrap yard take the van
The lawyer for the scrap yard claims the onus is on the dealer. The dealer's son claims the onus is on the scrap yard. I don't know which crook to believe.
@@kleverichAny person who attempts to sell something without proof of ownership is guilty of fraud. Anyone who purchases something without clear title is guilty of purchasing stolen items.
I do the same. Licensed and everything, If vehicle is over 20 years old they (scrap yards in 2 different states) don’t ask for anything (from us) We do everything above board and would never do something like this. We keep great records. The only snag we had was vehicles purchased from one police auction about 8 years ago. (Cop did not fill out correct paperwork)
@@jessewilson8676so the cops broke the law?
🙄 As far as I know that’s the reason why old cars sit around rusting away. No title so there isn’t any way to convert it to scrap.
The guy who first who said _the owner of the house the van was parked in front sold it to him_ lied. Lying to conceal a crime is considered impeding an investigation. Add that crime onto the criminal charge of grand theft. There's nothing honorable about him.
Wait until the house is empty (abandoned) while everyone is shopping or something, and sell the guy's house.
In our state, whoever is in possession is the one charged for stolen property. You can't crush a vehicle in our state unless you ID. In fact you can't scrap anything without ID at recycler here.
“I bought it from a friend”. The standard line of every person caught knowingly possessing stolen property. They almost never remember the name of their “friend”.
"Bought it from a friend who,
Bought it from a friend who,
Stole from another cause he's not messing around!"
John Doh, his name is John Doh!
In Kansas, if you're buying a car as a salvager, you must obtain a title. If you're selling a vehicle to a scrap processor, the licensed salvage vehicle dealer must surrender the original or duplicate title with the word "salvage" or "junk" written or stamped across it. (Kansas Department of Revenue website) IMHO, everyone who took possession of the car should be found guilty of selling or receiving stolen property. I suspect that each of them had knowledge that the car was illegally obtained and it's not the first time.
Okay, prove beyond a reasonable doubt that they knew it was stolen.
@roflchopter11 No, you just need to prove that they could reasonably have suspected that it was stolen. In this case, it was stolen, and there was no title.
@@roflchopter11 You must be either a scheister attorney or scheister scrapyard dealer.
@@roflchopter11 First off, this is why I said in my opinion. Second, reasonable doubt? I think what you're suggesting is that the state must show criminal intent, but that is for a prosecutor and a jury to decide like any other criminal case. Nevertheless, as an auto salvager/scrapper, taking possess or selling of a car by circumventing the state title requirements would have serious consequences, such as fines and/or a loss of their business license. As a business owner you cannot just claim ignorance or claim you're a victim if you failed to follow state laws established for your industry.
@@roflchopter11 One other thing, the person who originally claimed he bought the car from the home owner, lied. That lie demonstrates criminal intent.
I had a flat tire on my 650 KLR motorcycle on a highway in Arizona. I made a call for a guy to pick me up and we went to my house to get my trailer to bring the bike home. When we got back to the bike there was a guy there getting ready to steal it. He told me a BS story of what he was doing, then left. We got back to the bike just in the nick of time. He probably was going to take the bike apart and sell the parts. A problem very common throughout the country.
Many years ago a friend of mine parked his bike, a Honda 500 street/trail (I don't remember the model) in front of a bar. When he came out a while later, it was gone. A couple of guys with a truck could have picked up the bike, put it in the back, and driven away in one minute.
The factory I was working at had unmounted a part which is essentially a 500kg copper coil. Then they left it hanging on a hook high in the air and everyone left for lunch. An hour later it was missing. Lots of people everywhere except the nook the coil was in. And you can't exactly hide that in your pants.
@@BarafuAlbinosounds like the company was trying to commit insurance fraud and get the scrap $ for the copper.
@@perhapsbutmaybe If its a factory, that 500 kg copper coil is probably a part of some large machine they build in the first place. Would need a forklift to move something that heavy around too, don't think a dolly would be tough enough for something that heavy.
@@callak_9974 that's why I think management had something to do with it. How else do you get away with stealing something that heavy and expensive. It all just doesn't add up to me.
These crooks are giving thieves a bad name.
He bought it from a friend who bought it from a friend who bought it from another who had the title I think
@@davidmccleary5540 sounds like the first verse from "Take It on The Run" by REO Speedwagon.
My wife broke down not far from home, she managed to get the vehicle into a parking lot. After I got off work I stopped at it and then set up a tow through AAA and went home to wait on the tow truck, since we lived just down the street. The driver got with me and that he wasn't to far away, so I went back to the vehicle, and it was gone. I called him to see if he had already been there and got it, and he said no that he was still on his way. I want to the police department to report it as stolen. They told me that they had it towed and impounded, and that I would have to wait till the next day to get it out. It cost me $220 to get it back. I was late for work because I had to get another tow back to the house. A free tow, less than $10 for the part, and I did the work myself, turned into over $200 and some lost work because the police department wanted money I guess.
10% to the police guys
So they declared a car abandoned when they had no legal authority to do so.
I'd say they should have be sent to their last appointments in the state prison, But RUclips thinks saying criminals in the state don't deserve life is calling for violence.
"My wife broke down" Hope she's feeling better.
Yup, unfortunately the largest organization of thieves in this country is actually the police.
Well if it was someone's parking lot should have informed the owners about the problem and its being dealt with, see what they say about it at the very least.
I have had TWO vehicles stolen, one off the side of the road, and one that I left at Walmart, because the radiator went bad. Both were sold to these scrapyards! This in middle Tennessee. The problem is real down here!
The lesson here is to not leave a vehicle like this alone - stay there for a tow truck etc..
Dude knowingly bought a stolen vehicle and should be fully liable for it, damages, pain and suffering, then triple it. (The guy who buys and sales vehicles)
How do you buy a scrapped vehicle without checking the "owners" license and the vehicles registration? With criminal intent that's the only way you could do something like that, let's give them the benefit of the doubt and say they're just stupid, well then this should be an expensive education for the moron in question no?
Yes, and selling and/or receiving stolen cars is grand theft. They should be prosecuted and jailed.
Without doubt he's done this before. No one with a legitimate company will come out of nowhere with the idea of buying cars without checking registration first
Knowingly? Can you prove that? 🙄 As a teenager and in my 20's, I bought a lot of cars and trucks on a bill of sale alone. It wasn't smart on my part , but no one taught me any better. Doesn't make me a criminal. You have to prove this guy knew it wasn't legally owned and available to sell. OMFG it's like none of y'all have ever read anything about due process. Thank God we're a Constitutional Republic and NOT a democracy.
@@MrFixItGa Knowlingly? For civil damages you don't have to prove intent. As a claimant in a lawsuit you only need to demonstrate that the defendant's actions produced a compensable loss. Just like in a traffic accident where people don't wreck into a car intentionally; intent isn't required.
I'm assuming that the car you bought was returned undamaged. So your case is different. However, if you bought that car and didn't know it was stolen, but then set it on fire or wrecked it in an accident, you'd still be liable for damages.
The son never bought anything. He just stole a vehicle and sold it for scrap.
What's wild is whether or not he stole the car, he would still be guilty of knowingly acquiring stolen goods
Last time I was this early the piano was still waiting for the tow truck. Sounds like the state is about to bust a big ring.
Clearly SOMEBODY is liable for the family's loss of the vehicle. With all this finger-pointing, it looks like they're screwed.
The person who "sold" it would bear the brunt of the liability. But the dealership and the scrap yard would most likely still be on the hook for not doing their due diligence. They just wouldn't have primary culpability. That's my understanding of the law in most places anyway.
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Scrap yard should at least be in serious trouble.
There is a title requirement to scrap in ks.
Imo they should lose there license & be fined
This sounds like they have a racket
Any scrapper who scraps a vehicle he doesn't have title to should have to pay the legal owner treble the value of the vehicle.
Scrappers I have known are usually poor as dirt; jail plus restitution might be a better incentive to avoid these shenanigans.
You (presumed jokingly) warn against leaving a vehicle with a flat tire, but if a flat tire is all the justification they need, I would expect Kansas to have an increase in tire slashing incidents
It's only theft if they find the evidence. If you find a vehicle that's worth stripping, you take it to a chop shop, otherwise scrap metal will keep gas in your truck as you prowl looking for that score. It's hard being a thief and social media influencer these days.
Two-bit criminals in the automotive sales industry? Say it ain't so Steve!
The scrap yard should be held responsible for not checking for the title, so the owner should be able to sue them for the blue/black book value of that vehicle.
The owner can sue everyone. The real question is who should go to jail.
Plus the value of any contents.
1987: my roommate bought a work van, parked it in front of our house, immediately got a ticket for no plate, got insured and registered the same day, scraped off the "this car will be towed" sticker, put on the plates and stickers... and a junkyard towed the van and crushed it.
40 years ago I drove a wrecker for a local company that had several city tow contracts, We were instructed to 'use our judgement' when it came to 'abandoned' vehicles. They told us to tow and impound any vehicle we found either parked illegally or obviously disabled. When the impound yard was full, and the vehicle was rough or was unlikely to be claimed, we were often told to haul it to the scrap yard. Those vehicles were generally crushed into coffee table sized cubes right away. Some drivers would make side deals with the junk yard where the would buy vehicles the brought in on the side too. Most were vehicles that they noticed hadn't moved for a long time, or vehicles that were broke down on the freeway overnight. Some guys would haul in a dozen or so on busy weekends. It came to an end after a couple of drivers were caught grabbing cars from the local mall parking lot that belonged to late night movie goers. People had been coming out of the late night movie theater at the mall to find their car gone. At first nothing was done but after they got greedy one night and took a half dozen cars, one of which being a near new Mercedes belonging to the sister in law of a city official, they put an end to letting the drivers decide what to tow. Another driver was towing cars off of used car lots and selling them for scrap, he was getting $50 per car.
No one was ever charged but they did lose their city contract. I've heard from others where similar things happened in other towns as well.
One driver at the company I worked for had a cop tell him to tow and impound the patrol car of a neighboring town that was found broken down on the side of the road. While it was sitting there it had been side swiped by a drunk driver so it had to be towed and impounded. No one claimed the vehicle and it got scrapped, it was no more than a year old but had been damaged so maybe the other town just figured it wasn't worth going after but the damage was minor. We never heard any more about it after it got crushed. A few if us wanted to use it in the local demolition derby at the county fair but the boss wouldn't let us have it.
40 years ago? You must have lived in a crap city. Most places I have lived has rules for how to determine if a vehicle is abandoned and it wasn't left to a driver to determine. The rules are even more strict with vehicles that are impounded. The rules may be different if you live in a place where they start every sentence with "I reckon.".
Hi, Steve. I don't see how they scraped a van without title in the scraper. You also need a ID to sell scrap like that.
is this one of the times you can sue every one along the line because clearly chain of title wasn't followed if it was destroyed overnight
You can always sue the tortfeasor.
This seems like a case of charge and sue everyone involved..
It easy enough to follow this back. If the tow truck driver says his friend sold it to him with a bill of sale, turn over the friend.
Steve, this is more than a little problem in Oklahoma. The law says to buy a scrap vehicle the seller must have a title in his name. It is ignored all the time & investigations are thwarted by various legal people ( Chickasha/Grady County/ & more. Of over half a dozen stolen vehicles I was only able to recover my daughter's 1974 Alfa Romeo convertible. The same scrapyard that bought her Alfa w/o a title also bought her mother's 91 Blazer w/o a title. Even two years ago I reported a 1971 Honda 600 Sedan stolen. I inquired with the previous mentioned scrap yard & they said "We don't buy w/o a title". And police do nothing or even obstruct or delay. Big problem in Oklahoma.
This scrap yard needs to be investigated, it’s doubtful this is a one off
There's a reason why scrap yards are often depicted in movies and TV as dens of organized crime.
At the very least the scrap place can be charged with possession of stolen goods. If I was the detective, I'd get a warrant to check all the vehicles to see if there are more cars there.
Back in the days, I worked for a towing company in Johannesburg. We had a contract with the police to recover stolen vehicles etc. One day I received a call from a client who ran a scrap metal dealer we dealt with. He asked me about a car one of our drivers had just dropped off. I checked our log & couldn't find any record of the car. There was only 1 of our drivers in the area at the time, so I called him on the radio, but he didn't respond. He arrived back at the depot about an hour later, by which time I had reported it to the police & they were waiting for him. Who knows how many others he had "recovered".
In Michigan…In 1988 I purchased a 1972 4x4 Blazer for parts. I took everything off I wanted and took it to the scrap yard. The scrap yard would not take the truck (Blazer) because I didn’t have the title with me. I did however get permission to leave it in their yard and return with the title later that day. When I returned a couple of hours later the 72 Blazer was already processed and scrapped into a 3ft X 3ft cube. So it didn’t matter if they had the title or not. They didn’t have my name or even proof I owned it, but still scrapped it.
Georgia had a law where tow truck drivers were allowed to pickup cars over ~12 years old and tow them from the side of the hwy. They could then scrap them. So soon tow truck drivers started cruising neighborhoods pulling older cars, even out of people's driveways. They added a law that scrap yards had to hold cars without a title for enough time for the police to come by and check the vins for stolen cars. They also firmed up the amount of ID required for the tow truck drivers so they knew they could find them. This was not more work for the cops because they already had to check the scrap yards for stolen cars. This just stopped the stolen cars from getting crushed.
That could easily fall under rustling laws that may still be on the books. If found guilty you may not like the possible punishment.
Hanging? 😂😂
There was a huge epidemic of stolen catalytic converters where i live for quite some time, mine were even stolen once, because my truck sits high enough from factory you can get under it without a jack. They implemented the mandatory id for scrap yards around here, and specifically for catalytic converters, you need to also show a copy of the vehicle registration of where they came from. Which honestly has pretty well put a stop to that particular theft.
They know me quite well at my local scrapper, so when I had to replace the cats on my truck because I had a fuel issue, i did bring the registration with me, they didnt ask me for it, one, i showed up in the truck that they came from, and two, I live in atlantic canada, odds are if you unbolt something like that instead of using a sawzall, very good chance you own it. Rust from road salt is the best threadlocker I've ever come across. Lol
Sometimes with rust, it is easier to just cut it out, but of course that is done carefully when you own it.
I don't understand why this is complicated? The scrapyard didn't buy the car as he didn't have a title. Arrest him for possession of stolen property. If he knows who gave it to him then they can arrest that person too.
It's extremely expensive to restore a completely flattened vehicle. They should go to court and get an injunction for the scrapyard to do that. They extreme cost serving the same function as punitive damages
Family members Jeep just disappeared after a collision in Detroit where police insisted the tow truck they called take it away.
Call the news
Sounds like a couple cops are involved in this theft ring
@ Detroit cops were indicted in for towing scams/auto theft. But Jeep was never tied to any case.
@ News has already given the problem in Detroit and Wayne Co. all the coverage they are going to. There have been so many cases here.
I have no doubt the biggest car thieves are cops with tow company connections.
Sounds like car theft and the person that took it should be prosecuted!!! Just because you have a tow truck doesn't mean you can take a car...
9:25 speaking of Copper, I do know that when the US pulled out of Panama; locals stripped out all of the Copper wiring from every building on military installations we abandoned
The idea that you can pass around ownership of a vehicle without a title, the device that records ownership of the vehicle, is absurd on its face...
This is so stupid the son says he got a bill of sale presumably without establishing ownership (possession is NOT the same as ownership) so he isn’t a thief. If we follow his logic a buyer, that is allowed to ask no questions, can buy any random car that someone wants to sell , from a parking lot, from a public street, from a driveway.
In 1957-8, I drove from Blythe, CA to Phoenix, AZ junkyard to buy an engine. I was heading home with it sticking out of my trunk. An AZ Highway Patrolman stopped me and said he could seize the engine because the junkyard didn't provide me with proof they owned the engine to sell it to me! He didn't, whew.
Just seen a video on TikTok where a guy had a flat tire on I-20 south of Dallas. Come back a couple of hours later and the car was gone. He has a tracker on the car and tracked it to a junkyard not too far away. They had already tore the engine out everything else usable, then appeared to have crushed it with a front loader.
The "junk vehicle buyer"/recycler should be shut down and probably charged. You have to check that the vehicle is even owned by the person bringing it in. If not then you're just a stolen vehicle disappearer. And if this guy said he bought the vehicle from his buddy, it was in front of his house, well then they should be able to talk to that "buddy" and see if he admits to that. If he does well then arrest and charge the guy on the spot. Seems like a few criminals working together here to steal vehicles, get paid and disappear the car before anyone can find it.
“But, I can’t return you money because I gave it to the Feds!”
that sounds like they crushed that car in quite a hurry
The KAKE news story is interesting, with the dealer, tow operator, and junkyard all trying to blame each other.
Everyone knows, in Kansas, all you have to do is click your heels together 😂
Steve, I use to run a recycling yard. Serial number on car. We use to record serial numbers, put them on receipt , require ID and signature, record and retain in our records for 2 years on vehicles. Other purchases were also recorded in similar manner. Questionable items were not purchased and police were called. We tried to keep the seller distracted until police arrived.
Two people make it a conspiracy. Get them under conspiracy law.
No, conspiracy charges are only used against enemies of the state.
You have 30 minutes to move your car.
You have ten minutes.
Your car has been impounded.
Your car has been crushed into a cube.
You have 30 minutes to move your cube.
Your cube has been impounded. It is being sent to the crusher.
(Wait, what?)
That is just insane. Here no scrapper can buy any car off anyone who is not registered as owner. Dealer or no. If a dealer takes your old car as trade-in to be scrapped the title has to be transferred to dealer first before they can do anything with it. This is to ensure this exact problem does NOT occur!
Southern Scrap in New Orleans has an injunction that allows for them to keep any stolen property. My father in law’s truck was stolen and he found it in the scrap yard and the police said he couldn’t get it back because of it. They take anything that the scrappers bring. Just like you said about the manhole covers. In the lower 9th ward they were stealing the manhole covers and the drainage grates also. It was crazy driving up and down the streets watching out for the manholes and drainage holes at night. When it was dark and raining I would use my search light to drive down the street. I never heard anything about the police catching anything for stealing them.
The fact it was immediately scrapped, it appears someone was trying to cover up the theft.
Since this van was currently registered, there was no issue with lost title. There is a VIN attached to a title and registration on record with the state DMV. A simple query at any point in the convoluted chain of illegal custody would have almost instantly yielded legal ownership. I am not an attorney, but logic tells me that everyone in the chain of this illegal custody is potentially liable in civil court, if not in criminal court.
In Florida, the only way to legally sell a car without a title is for scrap metal. I had a 1970's vintage Pontiac Firebird Formula that my mom sold as scrap when I went to college. I came home and there was $50 on my night table. I asked what the $50 was for and they said "we sold your car". If you steal a car in Florida, you can get $50 cash for it at the scrapyard. It had a current tag on it and nothing wrong with it, they towed it with no key and no title.
The scrapyard owner should be prosecuted for receiving or buying stolen property.
This is why in Texas you can't scrap a vehicle without a title period
Had a nearly identical thing happen to me last year here in Virginia. My car broke down at a rite aid and before I could have it towed to a shop, rite aid had it towed. Tow company scrapped my car the next day instead of holding it the 30 days they're required to by law. Clearly illegal but they didn't care. Progressive didn't care either and said they weren't liable since it was towed "legally" but scrapped illegally. Called every lawyer in the area and none of them would even talk to me for a consultation.
If you’re going to buy a vehicle from someone and destroy the vehicle afterwards, you better be sure to do your due diligence to make sure the person you’re buying it from has the title to the car to legally sell it to you. Or you could be sued as well
Should always leave a note on the window, especially a parking lot that you will return soon just as a precaution. Its not going to stop a thief or towing company but might help
Even my daughter was taught to change a flat tire when she started driving, AND had a AAA card as well
This was in addition to having three brothers, and a dad with a truck and car trailer. We didn't leave our vehicles overnight broken very often. Not to say anybody should have stolen this kids van, but changing the tire or calling a tow truck would have prevented it. We have a similar scrap law in California and I found some copper and brass items that had been stolen from me at a local recycler. (The cops took a report but didn't really have much time to spend on petty theft). The scrap place was obviously doing this a lot, because they gave me back my stuff ( without a cop or police report) and all the info for the person they bought the stuff from. They were shut down some time later..
I was looking for this reply. My 14 year old daughter knows how to change a tire. Every kid should know how to change a tire.
This is most certainly not the first time either of the two parties stole and scrapped property. How could any two parties look any more guilty if they tried?
Well it certainly sounds like several people will be due with a court date
I cant sell scrap cans without a car tag, a state drivers license, and thumbprint 😅
FYI - in Kansas, when you buy a vehicle with a loan - you don't get a "paper" title - instead, the state uses an electronic title they keep in Topeka until the car has been paid off - where you can then request to get your paper title.
Living in Wichita and dealing with local scrappers on occasion, doesn’t surprise me.
So basically that recycling center is purchasing stolen vehicles without verification??? Sound like that recycling center is on the hook
I'll bet people that's doing that are kin to the sheriff or police chief.
Or friends
If I had a 19-year-old son who phoned me and said he had a "flat tyre" in the family's van, I'd say to him "Great, using the already tested jack, fit the spare tyre, and I expect to see you home just 10 minutes later than normal". In an emergency, you can drive at low speed, 15 mph / 25 kmh for literally miles on a flat tyre. Yes it will be irrepairably destroyed, if it isn't already. And eventually the rim, whether steel or alloy, will be destroyed also.
if the spare is flat and wasn't fixed because the person doesn't have the money to do it And that same money issue means that replacing the tire isn't a good option either, then what?
A 19 year old should know how to change a flat tire.
might not have had a spare. stop assuming on the basis of next to no information.
When I had to change a tire it was a two man job. After having done it a few times I might now be able to do it alone, but on a first attempt it would not have happened.
Tom Bailey the drag racer, lives in a fancy community a fair distance from Detroit. He ha two very expensive vehicles stolen out of his driveway simultaneously. Both were located the next day through a tip. Where were they found? In Detroit with several other stolen vehicles.
I live in Florida and was looking for a used car. I was amazed how many (probably 25%) of the advertised cars had no title.
Your explanation about titles reminded me of the time I was under contract to purchase a house. A week before the expected closing date, the bank told me they couldn't finance the loan after the title work came back... The seller didn't own the house. 😕
My friend was changing the head gasket on his car and he went into his house to get a tool. When he returned someone had stolen the heads. He managed to track down the thief, and the thief had stolen the heads for scrap.
In the 1990's the copper convectors and copper 400amp service to a house I owned were stolen, could not be replaced inexpensively or the house retrofitted. Had to sell house to the city.
It happened to my friend too here in Wichita too.
Receiving stolen property is a thing, no matter how many bills of sale you have. 😤
It shouldn't be. They should have to prove beyond a reasonable doubt you knew it was stolen.
@roflchopter11 That's the standard, in theory. But in practice we get people cutting corners on both sides of the aisle. Just saying.
@@roflchopter11 Thing is, you do not buy a vehicle with bill of sale alone, everyone knows that you have to get the title. If the seller cannot give you the title you cannot register is to drive it on the road. everyone knows that
I hope the scrap yard gets in trouble. Not supposed to scrap with out proof of ownership.
I’ve been looking for a copper widget. This is a festivus miracle!
In Maryland,
yards around me will NOT take a vehicle unless you have a title. And they get your ID and put the information on the paperwork.
Here in South Africa, power cables and water meters are a hot item to steal.
Similar to Jerseyville, IL selling permits to "take" real property and allow the public to walk, stand, sit, display, drive and park on private property.
The cops simply tell you that you don't own the property except you can prove that you do.
If I have a deed to property and have been paying real estate taxes on that property since 1995, I own the damn property.
14th Amendment violation but no lawyer will take the case so far.
Should be a slam dunk.
I guess I will have to file the federal suit myself and keep all the proceeds.
The scrap company should be held liable and they can use the dealer who can sue the friend if cases are worth pursuing.
This guy is a genius!....there are hundreds of abandoned cars at Wal-Mart alone everyday!
My auto dismantler requires the vehicles title to buy it, it's that simple, SMH, those people are both thieves.
In Florida there's two kinds of metal recycling. One is a second hand dealer, meaning gold, silver, you know stuff like that.
The other is a second hand metals recycler, meaning steel, aluminum, shit even cast iron, i think. My point is, both transactions, in Florida, require a driver's license or valid ID, and a thumb print. And the people behind the counter at either the pawn shop or the metals recycle know what they are doing. Sounds like my home town should catch up.
if they reported it stolen... how difficult is it for the scrapper or the scrap yard to run the VIN / Plates against the police database and find out that this car had been reported stolen.
And in my state, every vehicle scrapped has to be reported to the state, just so they can clear the title off the state records. This is done with the VIN (and plate if present). When they do this they are also checking to see if it is stolen in order to give a possible owner the opportunity to get the vehicle back and or to report it to the insurance companies. of course most times a vehicle like this would be in such condition that no one will want it back.
That happened to me about 10 years ago my wife got her another car and let me use it. I bought another car but she didn't want it back so I kept it as I was moving I had a friend follow me to my new place so I would have a way to get back to my old address to get my regular driven car. The car broke down and I needed to finish moving so the next day as I pass where the broken car was supposed to be at, it was gone. I was in disbelief, but had too much going on to pursue it any further plus the car was a piece of junk so we chalked it up as an opportunity to dispose of the car without storing at my new address.
So, if nothing else, wouldn't everyone down line from the thief be guilty of possession of stolen property?
I remember a couple of decades ago someone stole the railings off of a freeway overpass around Berkley/Oakland California. Also I've seen a number of places where bronze historical markers have been stolen.
Ok, this is the 3rd or 4th Ohio shirt in the last week. We get it, you won, you can stop rubbing salt in the wound! 😂
I live in Texas and had a friend who was a top shelf fabricator actually BUILD a Ford Bronco out of parts. That is, he built the frame himself out of spare metal he had around the shop and then over the period of a couple of years, he added to rest of the parts, usually from salvaged wrecks. He bought a crate engine, put it in, did a custom paint job and got it looking and running so sweetly. Then he went to the DPS and found out there was no way to title it, so they wouldn't register it or give him license plates for it. He tried literally for years to get it titled but it just never happened. Well it sat and sat and eventually he used the engine in another vehicle and used some parts here and there and then loaded it up on a trailer and tried to scrap it. But the salvage yard wouldn't even take it without a title. He eventually had to break it all the way down, cut his custom frame apart so it didn't look like a frame and scrap it all individually. Edward was an excellent fabricator but he often didn't think things through.
any person who drives should know how to change a flat. but the flat shouldn't matter do these people just grab cars off the street and sell them. the dealership and scrapper should be shut down
"This isn't Finders-Keepers." ~Steve Leto~
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Sad situation and yes a title should be given where a title is written. Thumbs up 👍
cars have been around for a while...one would think we already have laws to stop this crime.
still a problem here in MS. The scrap yards here require ID, and you must drive in, so they can take photo of you and your tag.
What more documentation do they need!! They have everything needed to work backward and see who stole the car.
How is that not something everyone immediately says after hearing that BS reason for "wanting tougher laws"!?!?!
Also if a law gets passed, it makes no difference or makes things worse, it should be REPEALLED. Its crazy how ppl are ok with bad laws like that.
All I need is to give you a bill of sale to have it all be kosher? That's freaking bizarre.
In West Virginia most vehicles that haven't been taxes paid on the last 10 years it cost $1,500 to get title for them.