My parents are both conservative. Dad is an outright racist and proud of it. Mom is a racist who swears she isn’t but has all the same talking points. Both are openly homophobic and transphobic. Aside from that, I started to see how different I was when I was very young. They’re both rude to retail and service workers. It might be an older thing, too. I’m not sure who I got my manners from. Maybe from teachers or just treating people the way I want them to treat me. Being rude and hateful also take much more energy, both the energy it takes to always be mad and the energy it takes to care so much about other peoples’ personal lives.
Sounds like my dad so much. I swear to be a constructive one must have at least a bit of anti social personality disorder. I don't mess with him anymore, but he tipped servers so little that I'd cover the rest right in front of him. This is a working class person too btw.
It’s possible that their hateful and mean behavior extended to you quite often, so you understood how nasty they were too. Either way, glad you turned out better than them.
I had pretty much the same parents, same upbringing. I feel this comment in my soul. It was so bad I emancipated myself at 15, which admittedly lead to a difficult life but honestly… I’d do it again. I’d rather have struggled with homelessness and drugs than have to have finished my youth in that conservative, manipulative and destructive environment. Now I am financially stable, happy and raising four sons to be nothing like their grandparents. The only bad part about it is that now they’re growing up missing one set of grandparents and that makes me sad but that was my parents choice, not mine.
It’s probably the media we consume as a generation. I do think it’s a lot rarer to see younger people being rude to service workers and they’re usually rich.
Common thing with (kinda) abusive parents it seems. Treating kids like property. Especially in conservative mind - treating raising a child as raising someone who will be in debt to you. Like, in some very regressive countries, this can be so bad that children are legally or socially bound to provide for their grandparents and care for them, as if they aren't free people and... bad parents won't grt cared for, but good ones probably will? Seems like abusive parents securing themselves a nice old age by dragging their kids' future and freedom down
He sounds exactly like my own father, it's uncanny. But being no contact for several years is very healing, his daughter will probably have a great life without him
It's how right wing propaganda works, it's a hatespeech incitement technique also known as Gaslighting aka Grooming Also accusation in a mirror They do it in Cults Connect the dots
I feel for the daughter, as a transwoman myself I had to tell my mother goodbye for good because she was never going to accept my transition. Not all parents deserve love and Musk seems to be following in his fathers footsteps so you reap what you sow.
When my kid came out as trans, I told them that as long as they were happy and continued to be the amazing person they were, that was all that mattered. I'm so sorry that you had to deal with that.
have a look at him, Joshua Haldeman. Maternal grandfather. His biography is very well documented. He was forced to leave Canada after becoming a famous scammer in that country, deeply connected to the foundation of organized chiropractic. A very, very wealthy medical scammer, lieutenant to the man who founded chiropractic in North America (Palmer). Naturally he went somewhere that enabled him to do maximum exploitation of other people. On Elon's 2023 birthday, Maye compared Elon to his grandpa glowingly in a tweet.
Kinda reminds me of Friedrich Nietzsche's sister. Ideological proto-nazi (joined the NSDAP upon it's creation). Moved to South America with her husband to establish a "pure aryan colony". The only notable difference here is that Musky's gramps didn't have anyone to coopt philosophical texts from.
People who are racist, homophobic, sexist, or any other openly discriminatory mindset, are often very insecure and want to feel powerful and in control. This often also comes out as being rude to those of their own kind whom they see as inferior, usually family, friends, coworkers, or workers at businesses they frequent. Also, has anyone noticed how most racists, homophobes, etc, also commit domestic abuse, and how most abusers have prejudices? Fascinating chicken-egg scenario
I noticed this. People who commit crimes in general tend to be conservative. Like pretty much anyone who's not a leftist is a moral failure and honestly should be in prison.
It's funny how, according to Musk and his stans, the emerald mine never existed, but if it existed it wasn't that big of a deal and if it was that big of a deal it didn't make that much of a difference and if it made that much of a difference it doesn't matter, because it's all in the past now
@@withoutaname-u3m his narrative of splitting an apartment with his mom is larping or cultural appropriation of middle class aesthetic. I'd imagine trying to create a normie social experience.
@@bluester7177 yeah. They scrubbed Google a few years ago when his grandpa stuff was coming out. There's nothing about it at all. Even in interviews with her about her family, they print nothing about her parents.
Elon hates his father and denounces the emerald mine, then he is surprised when Vivian hates him and denounces his riches. As usual, Elon's self awareness is staggering...
these peeps are straight-up desert hick hillbillies. the anglo accent hides it but Musk's gramps was a straight up scammer who was run out of Canada due to legal troubles to enjoy his fortune as a rich-ass mountain hillbilly
In rural areas it’s harder to find spouse who isn’t related at all without leaving family and friends behind, and the more they need family and friends to survive the more unwilling they are to leave.
If I had a nickel for each time a gross old man in the public eye married their stepdaughter, that they have known since they were children, I’d have 2 nickels….. which is 🤢
I'm old enough to remember the 1980's hyper capitalist United States that glamorized wall street, glitz and glamour... but still noted that "the richest man" in the world at the time was often some 3rd world oligarch, who had illigetimately gained their fortunes by underhanded means. Now, the US imports these people. So much sympathy for the children of these sicko men.
If you have children, you must understand that they did not arrive at your doorstep of their own initiative. You invited them to this party, and you owe them everything you can do to make their lives healthy and safe. This is the bare minimum required of a parent. If you only do the bare minimum, your children don’t owe you gratitude. Elon’s children are growing up in privilege, but without a father in their day-to-day lives. He does not have a right to demand their loyalty, respect, or gratitude.
Elon's dad is an evil pos but it is kinda funny that he talks mad sht about Elon every chance he gets. One reporter asked him if he is proud of his son and he just straight up said no. 😂
@@SomeRandomDevOpsGuy he's action Johnny but sadder imo Dude grew up in an emerald mine, he definitely had a hadji... and he definitely knows how that hadji died
@@SomeRandomDevOpsGuy The Monarch didn't devote his generational wealth towards personal enrichment though, but to the antagonism of Rusty Venture who is far more like Elon Musk than The Monarch. Elon and Rusty both: Engaged in sexual activity with underaged girls and covered it up, profited from illegal activities conducted by their fathers, intentionally lied to the public in order to preserve their brand, and conducted cruel and illegal experiments. The Monarch, on the other hand, was orphaned, adopted by butterflies, came into an inheritance and was like: 'F-that guy; Imma bankrupt myself screwing him over.' The Monarch is definitely not like Musk.
@@A-ds1mtElon is so rusty venture it kills me Imagine the scene where rusty dreams about his dad's penis but it's Elon... and I guess Dr. Killinger is actual Henry Kissinger
Love when parents think you owe them for covering the expenses to raise you up. Turns out, that's just what a parent is supposed to do. You don't deserve your children's love or respect simply for doing the bare minimum of parenting.
I mean, I kinda do feel like I own my parents for raising me, cause I was a very difficult child that cost them a lot more money then the average kid (tons of emotional/developmental issues), but my parents are amazing and I actually feel like they would be deserving of being paid back. If I had the money of course, which I don't, cause of the previously mentioned issues.
lmao the photo they picked for the autobiography cover. no, elon. you don't look like that anymore. but the surrounding featureless black void is on point.
Apartheid South Africa was when we went from a racist country to a racist authoratarian dictatorship! A moment of silence for every journalist and person who tried to speak up about the corruption and "vanished" or "commited end life" via three bullets to the back of the head.
Haha if I hadn’t read an article about Elons grandfather earlier today I wouldn’t have had any idea he was trying to say Regina. I know I’d butcher lots of place names in other countries too though lol.
My parents are just cold people. They don't express love like at all. Not that they don't care or love, they just don't express it much. That's the main thing I do the opposite of. I tell my son I love him every day and hugs whenever he wants lol
That's why your son is soft and will never survive in a South African emerald mine, or wherever Elon starts sending kids to mine lithium for his Teslas.
Yes, if you don’t give your children to adoption, taking care of them is bare minimum and giving them as good education as possible is included in bare minimum. She didn’t choose him as her father, so she owns him nothing. Since he has abused her, she can’t have any kind of healthy relationship with him, and unhealthy relationship isn’t worth her time or health.
I feel so bad for trans people with famous parents. Even in the best case scenario of having parents who are 100% supportive, they still don't get to have full control over who they come out to or when, just by nature of being in the public eye. They have to deal with people they've never met knowing their dead names, having opinions about their transition, etc.
That's like feeling bad for any cis gender boy or girl growing up in "the public eye"...like the neighbourhood...because people can tell when they grew beard or boobs. So what?! Why is transitioning this great nono, that evetyone needs to keep until they feel like Sharing or else they suffer a mental break down. If cis can do it... Trans should be able too. Learn to cope.
@@frijofroisdeern3783 I mean I do feel bad for cis kids who grow up in the public eye too. My comment focused on trans people bc Musk's trans daughter was discussed in this video. But yeah, growing up in the public eye sounds horrific. The Olsen twins have said that they wouldn't wish their childhood on anyone. I think family blogs should be outlawed as well. Was considering bringing that up in my initial comment but felt that would make my comment too long. I think adults can decide to be public figures if they want but it sucks how famous kids have that choice taken away from them.
If you look at data it's interesting, that whilst many narcissists and abusers tend to raise co-dependent children, those narcissists however often spring from alcoholic parents or grandparents. I guess it's a cycle if people were literally driven to drink, in turn affecting their parenting . Sort of explains why these traits often seem to skip a generation. Maybe one of Elons kids will turn to drink then raise another wealthy narcissist.
I have nothing real to add other than that I was in a bookstore the other day and was subjected to a shelf of Elon's horrific visage staring me in the face and I feel attacked.
An interesting thing my therapist told me is, everyone's actions make sense in the context of how they view the world. When people are doing bizarre or horrible things, it's because, in their view of the world, these things are just, rational, and necessary. The problem with extreme wealth is, it places people in a context that's separated from almost every other person in the world, so people who grow up in that context develop very distorted views of reality. Even if they _intend_ to be good people, what they perceive as "good" is distorted, so they often do bad things, then can't understand why everyone else is upset about it. This is how I see Elon Musk. He doesn't want to be a bad person. Like you said, he wants people to like him. But he had a very low chance of being a good person because every person in his family, including himself, had/has a warped view of reality which was only exaggerated due to their wealth. In a way, I feel sorry for him, but just because the deck was stacked against him from the start doesn't mean he isn't responsible for the shitty things he has done/is doing. It is possible for wealthy people to change. I think Prince Harry is making an effort to change his distorted perception of the world. Even if he will never have a reasonably accurate perspective, I think he at least wants to give his children a better chance than he got. So Elon Musk has no excuse.
Yeah it's easy to see that Elon Musk does just want to be liked. The problem is that he seems to be incapable any self-reflection or taking any criticism at all! I feel like the turning point for Elon Musk, both in terms of his popularity with the more left-wing side of the spectrum (I know it's when my opinion of him turned!) and his own political leanings, was the Thai cave incident where he called one of the volunteer team a PDF-file because he insulted his submarine, which was never going work in that cave. And, honestly, that could so easily have just not been a big deal. All people were really saying was "Whoa, bro! You went way too far! You really need to just back off and stay out of this!" And, if he'd done that. If he'd deleted the tweet and then just laid low for a few months, he'd have been fine. However, I think it was the start of figuring out that the place where he'd find fans who'd give him constant praise and defend everything he did wasn't on the left, but rather among right-wingers and angry douchebros who think they're the only rational people alive.
Okay just getting to the Grandfather part, but absolutely nothing he believed in is okay to me.... indigenous americans, and mexican people, we really are sick of white men dreaming of how to continually imagine new ways to colonize this continent. And really, I'd like more leftists to remember our perspective is not a historical one. I do feel like you have tried to be aware when things involve the US etc about native peoples concerns; however, it should be a primary critique of the idea of america and "technocracy." Thanks for your content, really have been waiting for more about Musks family tbh.... im only 1/4 in and steaming his grandad wanted to colonize a whole continent with this capitalist bs....
If you care to go outside your home. Greenland is deemed a Danish colony by the UN, being treated racist and with zero knowledge of the Greenlandic population. Since no one knows about the shameful treatment of the 66.000 people it hasn't become an issue. And people in Denmark do not give a crap.
I look forward to your videos more than almost anyone. Great job man, wish you continued growth and normalization of free thinking and saying intelligent things
I think the only thing I've heard about Musk that has genuinely surprised me, is that his son isn't the first family member to have a serial number for a name.
My feeling on his is that, yes, his father and grandfathers' sins are not Elon Musk's and he should not be blamed for them and I understand why he hates them. However, he's also living up to the family tradition of being a horrible parent who neglects and traumatizes his own children, and also being a horrible person who harms his country's society at large! Which is to say, Elon Musk sucks on his own merit, I get why his daughter wants nothing to do with him, and I hate that he is a powerful person because he definitely doesn't deserve to be.
And you mention Cyberpunk 2077 again 😂 you single handed got me to retry the game after it initially didn’t click for me. Now I’m hours into a new play through. All because you mention it every other video 😂🙌🏻
the sins of the fathers are only the sins of the sons if the profit created by them is inherited. as such the strategic gameplan and tactics are inherited, the peers are inherited, the traderoute and mechanics of upholding it are inherited.
It's impossible not to hate him. Elon Musk destroyed Cyberpunk 2077 just to stop people from imagining a better future. Biggest disappointment in gaming.
Huh, that's rather interesting to me. At one point early on in my college years, I was - for lack of a better term - enamored with the Technocratic movement of the 30s and 40s, particularly for the ideas of championing leadership based on scientific expertise and knowledge along with the ideas of pacifism through isolationism. I've long since moved on from that mindset as I'd come to realize quite a bit of that line of thinking is at best an out of touch idealized folly, both with regards to the context at the time, along with human nature and broader society in general. This was a while before Elon's fame really took off, and aside from the odd occurrence the term came up in a disconnected context, this is the first time I really thought back on it in a long while and never would have guessed there was such a direct connection between that movement and the modern day example of why it was such a bad idea in the first place, and it explains so damn much about the man. God damn.
Great content Kav, your extensive in depth breakdowns of topics of interest & importance are always comprehensive & educating. Your insights & views are always very logical & obvious to me, & your communist political ideoligies I find facinating as you are not anything like what I was bought up (indoctrinated?) to believe what a communist is like, or what their Ideals morales & social ideals would be. great stuff keep up the great content, I feel more informed evrytime i watch your vids.
Yea this is so tough. I love my Dad but I don’t want to be anything like him. But then I still see a lot of my Dad in myself. Being a human is fucking tough and feels like a punishment most of the time.
The way Elon talks about his father and his daughter sounds EXACTLY like my own father 💀 like jesus christ, that makes me dislike both of them more 😂 thank God I'm no contact 🙏
Kavernacle must get a pretty decent amoint of viewers from the U.K/ other parts of Europe if you can already have 5k views while the majority of the US is still asleep
Technocracy sounds like an elitist subversion of managers, professionals, engineers and scientists of Communism. Early socialist political philosophy certainly flirted with scientists in positions of decision making and technocratic administration. Saint-Simon, Comte, Marx. However this “scientific society” founded on social scientific theory would be a new age of science and religion synthesizing and the administration of industry replacing formal state government. Economics and politics becoming a single issue in the industrial administering by associations of producers. The difference is in the elimination of class disparities, or class altogether, and administration of social and industrial affairs by free associated producers, not some elite technocrats. The access to scientific knowledge and training for expertise would be accessible to all as work becomes more optimal and laborers are needed less for production, or new productivity techniques and technologies are achieved. There wouldn’t be an elite class of anything. Huge difference between l Technocracy and Communism. Free association and self-management or rule by scientists until rule by AI 👨🔬 🤖v 👷🏾 🛠️
15:20 He's probably talking about child sex stuff, here. But his Dad is too powerful to talk about in that way. 19:10 That's the trap of the wealth system. It holds the rich in place just as assuredly as the poor. It's just that the compensations are far better. There is a freedom of movement, freedom from material concerns, but they are kept in their place. Just that their yard is larger than ours. Of course, I dont feel sympathy for them. They get to cry on gold toilets, after all.
Isn’t the Musk biography getting edited to remove the leaked part about him cutting off Starlink for the Ukrainians as they were about to bomb the Russian Black Sea fleet or am I wrong?
If he's paying 50k in tuition for k-12, that is private school, so not actually the LA PUBLIC school district which i fhink he is complying. It's so weird
So true how rich people larp about not having any help. If it wasn't for Wiki, hardly anyone wouuld know about Private Schooling. Even comprehensive schools have very different wealth demographics depending on area. Some rich kids can say they went to a 'State' school, in name only. They lie , genetically.
What I’ve seen to be common is that people see and reject their parents-but ultimately do a lot of things similar to their parents, while ALSO doing a lot of things differently
25:55 I'm from a poor working class background. I've been around upper middle class to very wealthy people as part of my work/social circle bc I pass as an academic. "Comfortable". That's the N American code word, as far as I can tell. The richer people are, the more they default to admitting to merely being "comfortable". Which is such a privilege. I can only imagine what it would be like to have problems & be able to just...solve them. To be able to have agency in the world. To feel justified in your $6 latte you're treating yourself to. Comfortable. What a dream. What a goal. May we all be comfortable.
Please please please you or whoever makes your thumbnail needs to learn and internalize that if you put text in the bottom right corner of it, it will not be readable. The timestamp has been in that place for years so idk why people keep doing it. Godspeed to you but please, my crops are dying.
Even I know Crossroads is woo-woo even by "Hollywood elite" standards. Oh Elon, did you do any research at all? You just picked the most expensive thing thinking it has to be the best, didn't you?
The only benefit Elon's children get are the double edge sword that he is not involved in their lives. That is messed up but they have a chance depending on their maternal support system not to continue the Musk cycle or being a Elon mini me.
What I have been coming to understand, is that rich people have their ideas and opinions taken seriously with very little backing it up other than sometimes having a one hit wonder of success. Also that rich people over different generations always seem to want to hoard wealth, hate unions, and hate on jewish people. The good thing with this day and age, before we plunge into another catastrophic event, is that people have a better ability to navigate and displace propaganda and conspiracy. Even if it is just a smaller group of people learning from the past human anthropology. 24:40 The rabbit hole of these fking billionaires and Jeff Epstein and s*x rings, that is when I feel like alliens can take over and blow up millionaires private islands.
People nowadays are polarized to think either every wealthy people are either extreme privileged or extreme average. They're not that privileged I mean Bill gates alike. I've grew up with people who are son's or daughter's of listed companies. All of them grew up to be "average". Like pr60-pr80 throughout high school and university. None of them end up making more than their parents did. I don't like Musk but there is definitely at least a few decision that most people didn't think of. Also there are occupations that doesn't require any money such as athletes which is able to turn one into a billionaire.
Just to make a point, when you say inherit talking about behaviour and personality, i think it is more to do with the environment than genetics. Yes genetically some people are more prone to certain behaviours however genetic personality are rarely beyond management if raised healthy with good goals.
29:00 The whole "sometimes bigot changes their stance after loved one comes out of the closet" is probably connected to how close those people are. If you don't have a close relationship and only see your kid as an extension of yourself then kid shattering your vision for their future would feel like a betrayal. And there wouldn't be any emotional connection to reel back egocentric reaction.
He *would* threaten a dev company to get to be in a cyberpunk game using an archaic weapon. Watch out if he wants to be in Red Dead: he'll start throwing rocks.
My parents are both conservative. Dad is an outright racist and proud of it. Mom is a racist who swears she isn’t but has all the same talking points. Both are openly homophobic and transphobic.
Aside from that, I started to see how different I was when I was very young. They’re both rude to retail and service workers. It might be an older thing, too. I’m not sure who I got my manners from. Maybe from teachers or just treating people the way I want them to treat me. Being rude and hateful also take much more energy, both the energy it takes to always be mad and the energy it takes to care so much about other peoples’ personal lives.
It's much easier to be racist and prejudiced given the media we have.
Sounds like my dad so much. I swear to be a constructive one must have at least a bit of anti social personality disorder. I don't mess with him anymore, but he tipped servers so little that I'd cover the rest right in front of him. This is a working class person too btw.
It’s possible that their hateful and mean behavior extended to you quite often, so you understood how nasty they were too. Either way, glad you turned out better than them.
I had pretty much the same parents, same upbringing. I feel this comment in my soul.
It was so bad I emancipated myself at 15, which admittedly lead to a difficult life but honestly… I’d do it again. I’d rather have struggled with homelessness and drugs than have to have finished my youth in that conservative, manipulative and destructive environment.
Now I am financially stable, happy and raising four sons to be nothing like their grandparents. The only bad part about it is that now they’re growing up missing one set of grandparents and that makes me sad but that was my parents choice, not mine.
It’s probably the media we consume as a generation. I do think it’s a lot rarer to see younger people being rude to service workers and they’re usually rich.
i really really hope his daughter stays safe and healthy. imagine your dads fanbase literally wanted you in a ditch
If it's any comfort, she can know they want half the population in a ditch
She could get more support by being this generation's Peter Kropotkin
She could do what her grandfather and step-granny have done and marry her father there by stopping the rabid fans. 🤢
@@GazB85nothing stops rabid fans.
Sycophants are gonna sycophant.
Well, her dad's fan base is STUPID AS HELL!
His kids owes him nothing. They did not choose him as a father. But the guy has zero self-reflection.
Common thing with (kinda) abusive parents it seems. Treating kids like property. Especially in conservative mind - treating raising a child as raising someone who will be in debt to you. Like, in some very regressive countries, this can be so bad that children are legally or socially bound to provide for their grandparents and care for them, as if they aren't free people and... bad parents won't grt cared for, but good ones probably will? Seems like abusive parents securing themselves a nice old age by dragging their kids' future and freedom down
@@jalapenofarts Also how Erol is like "Elon was brainwashed by American culture!"
And is like "She was brainwashed by liberal culture!"
Musk is a textbook example of a horrible father I don't blame his children for wanting to sever ties with him.
He sounds exactly like my own father, it's uncanny. But being no contact for several years is very healing, his daughter will probably have a great life without him
@@emmadenton1826 Honestly these comments give me hope for when I can finally go no contact with my own father
yes my own father likes elon musk
Musk comes off is more ghoulish than The Crypt Keeper.
It's how right wing propaganda works, it's a hatespeech incitement technique also known as Gaslighting aka Grooming
Also accusation in a mirror
They do it in Cults
Connect the dots
a house without love is not a home.
I feel for the daughter, as a transwoman myself I had to tell my mother goodbye for good because she was never going to accept my transition. Not all parents deserve love and Musk seems to be following in his fathers footsteps so you reap what you sow.
When my kid came out as trans, I told them that as long as they were happy and continued to be the amazing person they were, that was all that mattered. I'm so sorry that you had to deal with that.
Bros grandfather moved to South Africa just to oppress mine. Crazy.
have a look at him, Joshua Haldeman. Maternal grandfather. His biography is very well documented. He was forced to leave Canada after becoming a famous scammer in that country, deeply connected to the foundation of organized chiropractic. A very, very wealthy medical scammer, lieutenant to the man who founded chiropractic in North America (Palmer). Naturally he went somewhere that enabled him to do maximum exploitation of other people. On Elon's 2023 birthday, Maye compared Elon to his grandpa glowingly in a tweet.
Then his daddy wanted that apartheid money.
The money that raised him.
Kinda reminds me of Friedrich Nietzsche's sister.
Ideological proto-nazi (joined the NSDAP upon it's creation). Moved to South America with her husband to establish a "pure aryan colony".
The only notable difference here is that Musky's gramps didn't have anyone to coopt philosophical texts from.
People who are racist, homophobic, sexist, or any other openly discriminatory mindset, are often very insecure and want to feel powerful and in control. This often also comes out as being rude to those of their own kind whom they see as inferior, usually family, friends, coworkers, or workers at businesses they frequent. Also, has anyone noticed how most racists, homophobes, etc, also commit domestic abuse, and how most abusers have prejudices? Fascinating chicken-egg scenario
I have also noticed this. Now all these are red flags and If spot them, that person is out of my life.
Saves the nonsense for like minded scum.!
I noticed this. People who commit crimes in general tend to be conservative. Like pretty much anyone who's not a leftist is a moral failure and honestly should be in prison.
It's funny how, according to Musk and his stans, the emerald mine never existed, but if it existed it wasn't that big of a deal and if it was that big of a deal it didn't make that much of a difference and if it made that much of a difference it doesn't matter, because it's all in the past now
Narcisist prayer be like
His mom's family is like the largest lumber distributor in North America. Somehow that's never part of his story.
It’s not as horrifying on its face as an apartheid emerald mine. But I learned something new today, thanks for sharing this.
Probably because this information doesn't seem to be very well known, at least I couldn't find anything about it.
@@withoutaname-u3m his narrative of splitting an apartment with his mom is larping or cultural appropriation of middle class aesthetic.
I'd imagine trying to create a normie social experience.
@@bluester7177 yeah. They scrubbed Google a few years ago when his grandpa stuff was coming out.
There's nothing about it at all. Even in interviews with her about her family, they print nothing about her parents.
I don't mean nothing about their history. I mean nothing at all.
They're deleting it.
The purely tragic existential horror of having Elon Musk as your father. I can’t fathom
Goo goo true
Elon hates his father and denounces the emerald mine, then he is surprised when Vivian hates him and denounces his riches. As usual, Elon's self awareness is staggering...
I've always found it kind of funny how the richer you are or the more rural you are the more likely you are to have some incestuous relationship.
these peeps are straight-up desert hick hillbillies. the anglo accent hides it but Musk's gramps was a straight up scammer who was run out of Canada due to legal troubles to enjoy his fortune as a rich-ass mountain hillbilly
Ahh, so that's what they have in common 😅
Bro just slandering country people
In rural areas it’s harder to find spouse who isn’t related at all without leaving family and friends behind, and the more they need family and friends to survive the more unwilling they are to leave.
@@ehlowgovnaI can assure you, it's not slander.
Elon like his dad will blame anyone and anything for his own unlikeability before he realizes that he's the common denominator.
If I had a nickel for each time a gross old man in the public eye married their stepdaughter, that they have known since they were children, I’d have 2 nickels….. which is 🤢
That’s what we have heard of... 😰
Woody Allen is the second?
And any nickel seems to be too much.
Two nickels too many..
I'm old enough to remember the 1980's hyper capitalist United States that glamorized wall street, glitz and glamour... but still noted that "the richest man" in the world at the time was often some 3rd world oligarch, who had illigetimately gained their fortunes by underhanded means.
Now, the US imports these people.
So much sympathy for the children of these sicko men.
* Has father that is rich and evil
* Is rich and evil
* Wonders why daughter thinks that rich people are evil
Elon: I hate my dad.
Elon’s daughter: No way! I hate my dad too!!
Elon: Wait what?
Elon’s daughter: Like father like daughter ;)
If you have children, you must understand that they did not arrive at your doorstep of their own initiative. You invited them to this party, and you owe them everything you can do to make their lives healthy and safe. This is the bare minimum required of a parent.
If you only do the bare minimum, your children don’t owe you gratitude. Elon’s children are growing up in privilege, but without a father in their day-to-day lives. He does not have a right to demand their loyalty, respect, or gratitude.
That Musk Biography is going to be the greatest work of fiction since vows of fidelity were included in the French marriage service
Black Adder?
@@valivali8104 you got it
Blackadder Goes Forth, episode 1
@@GermanLeftist that's it
@@GermanLeftist wasn’t there similar joke in season 3?
Endings of season 2 were best! 😂
Whole family of Fallout antagonists. His grandfather straight up sounds like Mr. House from New Vegas.
Elon's dad is an evil pos but it is kinda funny that he talks mad sht about Elon every chance he gets. One reporter asked him if he is proud of his son and he just straight up said no. 😂
We need a Venture Bros style recreation of Elon's life
He’d be The Monarch but sadder
@@SomeRandomDevOpsGuy he's action Johnny but sadder imo
Dude grew up in an emerald mine, he definitely had a hadji... and he definitely knows how that hadji died
It'd be too dark.
@@SomeRandomDevOpsGuy The Monarch didn't devote his generational wealth towards personal enrichment though, but to the antagonism of Rusty Venture who is far more like Elon Musk than The Monarch.
Elon and Rusty both: Engaged in sexual activity with underaged girls and covered it up, profited from illegal activities conducted by their fathers, intentionally lied to the public in order to preserve their brand, and conducted cruel and illegal experiments.
The Monarch, on the other hand, was orphaned, adopted by butterflies, came into an inheritance and was like: 'F-that guy; Imma bankrupt myself screwing him over.' The Monarch is definitely not like Musk.
@@A-ds1mtElon is so rusty venture it kills me
Imagine the scene where rusty dreams about his dad's penis but it's Elon... and I guess Dr. Killinger is actual Henry Kissinger
To be fair, if my dad was Elon I’d think every rich person is evil too
They're not doing themselves any favors.
The capitalist elite is evil.
Love when parents think you owe them for covering the expenses to raise you up. Turns out, that's just what a parent is supposed to do. You don't deserve your children's love or respect simply for doing the bare minimum of parenting.
Especially when you didn’t ask to be born 😒
I mean, I kinda do feel like I own my parents for raising me, cause I was a very difficult child that cost them a lot more money then the average kid (tons of emotional/developmental issues), but my parents are amazing and I actually feel like they would be deserving of being paid back. If I had the money of course, which I don't, cause of the previously mentioned issues.
lmao the photo they picked for the autobiography cover. no, elon. you don't look like that anymore. but the surrounding featureless black void is on point.
Right on time! Just got off my night shift here in the US. Kavernacle is always here for us American night stockers 😁
I know right! I love watching Kav’s videos as prepare for work tomorrow (ex: make my lunch, etc.)
Apartheid South Africa was when we went from a racist country to a racist authoratarian dictatorship!
A moment of silence for every journalist and person who tried to speak up about the corruption and "vanished" or "commited end life" via three bullets to the back of the head.
For future reference, the Canadian city of Regina rhymes with "vagina".
"Regina, the town that rhymes with fun."- Deadpool
I’ll now never forget that. Thank you
Haha if I hadn’t read an article about Elons grandfather earlier today I wouldn’t have had any idea he was trying to say Regina. I know I’d butcher lots of place names in other countries too though lol.
It’s one of those things that once you know, you cannot forget LOL
My parents are just cold people. They don't express love like at all. Not that they don't care or love, they just don't express it much. That's the main thing I do the opposite of. I tell my son I love him every day and hugs whenever he wants lol
That's why your son is soft and will never survive in a South African emerald mine, or wherever Elon starts sending kids to mine lithium for his Teslas.
@@LawlessChemistry U TELL EM HOSS
@@LawlessChemistry well damn! Guess I'll have to get emeralds some other way
@@WarPoodle-pc5wu Also lithium. Money won't buy our children love, but it will buy them enough lithium for their devices.
ummm taking care of your children and paying for their school is the bare minimum? she owes him nothing and hes trash so why spend time with him? lol
Yes, if you don’t give your children to adoption, taking care of them is bare minimum and giving them as good education as possible is included in bare minimum.
She didn’t choose him as her father, so she owns him nothing. Since he has abused her, she can’t have any kind of healthy relationship with him, and unhealthy relationship isn’t worth her time or health.
I feel so bad for trans people with famous parents. Even in the best case scenario of having parents who are 100% supportive, they still don't get to have full control over who they come out to or when, just by nature of being in the public eye. They have to deal with people they've never met knowing their dead names, having opinions about their transition, etc.
💯 The lack of control or privacy must be awful on mental health
That's like feeling bad for any cis gender boy or girl growing up in "the public eye"...like the neighbourhood...because people can tell when they grew beard or boobs. So what?! Why is transitioning this great nono, that evetyone needs to keep until they feel like Sharing or else they suffer a mental break down. If cis can do it... Trans should be able too. Learn to cope.
@@frijofroisdeern3783 I mean I do feel bad for cis kids who grow up in the public eye too. My comment focused on trans people bc Musk's trans daughter was discussed in this video. But yeah, growing up in the public eye sounds horrific. The Olsen twins have said that they wouldn't wish their childhood on anyone. I think family blogs should be outlawed as well. Was considering bringing that up in my initial comment but felt that would make my comment too long. I think adults can decide to be public figures if they want but it sucks how famous kids have that choice taken away from them.
That whole family gives me the creeps.
If you look at data it's interesting, that whilst many narcissists and abusers tend to raise co-dependent children, those narcissists however often spring from alcoholic parents or grandparents. I guess it's a cycle if people were literally driven to drink, in turn affecting their parenting .
Sort of explains why these traits often seem to skip a generation.
Maybe one of Elons kids will turn to drink then raise another wealthy narcissist.
It doesn't skip a generation. It does NOT.
take a closer look and know what to look for
Regina rhymes with vagina. For real-i am a 🇨🇦
When I think of them, I think of apartheid and the stench of the Boer.
I'm fine thanks you have a good one kav
I have nothing real to add other than that I was in a bookstore the other day and was subjected to a shelf of Elon's horrific visage staring me in the face and I feel attacked.
An interesting thing my therapist told me is, everyone's actions make sense in the context of how they view the world. When people are doing bizarre or horrible things, it's because, in their view of the world, these things are just, rational, and necessary. The problem with extreme wealth is, it places people in a context that's separated from almost every other person in the world, so people who grow up in that context develop very distorted views of reality. Even if they _intend_ to be good people, what they perceive as "good" is distorted, so they often do bad things, then can't understand why everyone else is upset about it.
This is how I see Elon Musk. He doesn't want to be a bad person. Like you said, he wants people to like him. But he had a very low chance of being a good person because every person in his family, including himself, had/has a warped view of reality which was only exaggerated due to their wealth. In a way, I feel sorry for him, but just because the deck was stacked against him from the start doesn't mean he isn't responsible for the shitty things he has done/is doing. It is possible for wealthy people to change. I think Prince Harry is making an effort to change his distorted perception of the world. Even if he will never have a reasonably accurate perspective, I think he at least wants to give his children a better chance than he got. So Elon Musk has no excuse.
Yeah it's easy to see that Elon Musk does just want to be liked.
The problem is that he seems to be incapable any self-reflection or taking any criticism at all!
I feel like the turning point for Elon Musk, both in terms of his popularity with the more left-wing side of the spectrum (I know it's when my opinion of him turned!) and his own political leanings, was the Thai cave incident where he called one of the volunteer team a PDF-file because he insulted his submarine, which was never going work in that cave.
And, honestly, that could so easily have just not been a big deal.
All people were really saying was "Whoa, bro! You went way too far! You really need to just back off and stay out of this!"
And, if he'd done that. If he'd deleted the tweet and then just laid low for a few months, he'd have been fine.
However, I think it was the start of figuring out that the place where he'd find fans who'd give him constant praise and defend everything he did wasn't on the left, but rather among right-wingers and angry douchebros who think they're the only rational people alive.
good shit Kav
Okay just getting to the Grandfather part, but absolutely nothing he believed in is okay to me.... indigenous americans, and mexican people, we really are sick of white men dreaming of how to continually imagine new ways to colonize this continent. And really, I'd like more leftists to remember our perspective is not a historical one. I do feel like you have tried to be aware when things involve the US etc about native peoples concerns; however, it should be a primary critique of the idea of america and "technocracy." Thanks for your content, really have been waiting for more about Musks family tbh.... im only 1/4 in and steaming his grandad wanted to colonize a whole continent with this capitalist bs....
If you care to go outside your home. Greenland is deemed a Danish colony by the UN, being treated racist and with zero knowledge of the Greenlandic population. Since no one knows about the shameful treatment of the 66.000 people it hasn't become an issue. And people in Denmark do not give a crap.
I look forward to your videos more than almost anyone. Great job man, wish you continued growth and normalization of free thinking and saying intelligent things
I thought it was a flintlock pistol, but "Musk with a musket" sounds more amusing.
I think the only thing I've heard about Musk that has genuinely surprised me, is that his son isn't the first family member to have a serial number for a name.
Your perspective is always much appreciated. Keep up the good work.
The way elon musk talks about his daughter, he honestly makes her sound really cool, and based... 😂
My feeling on his is that, yes, his father and grandfathers' sins are not Elon Musk's and he should not be blamed for them and I understand why he hates them.
However, he's also living up to the family tradition of being a horrible parent who neglects and traumatizes his own children, and also being a horrible person who harms his country's society at large!
Which is to say, Elon Musk sucks on his own merit, I get why his daughter wants nothing to do with him, and I hate that he is a powerful person because he definitely doesn't deserve to be.
And you mention Cyberpunk 2077 again 😂 you single handed got me to retry the game after it initially didn’t click for me. Now I’m hours into a new play through. All because you mention it every other video 😂🙌🏻
All roads lead to epstein with these sorts
The assertion that a private school in the United States would have made someone liberal is batshit.
To add to my previous comment: Crossroads is a religiously affiliated private school. Musk is a such a tool.
The emerald mine gang.
the sins of the fathers are only the sins of the sons if the profit created by them is inherited. as such the strategic gameplan and tactics are inherited, the peers are inherited, the traderoute and mechanics of upholding it are inherited.
It's impossible not to hate him. Elon Musk destroyed Cyberpunk 2077 just to stop people from imagining a better future. Biggest disappointment in gaming.
How, it was fault of cdprojectshit
@@wodekw6862 Lol the general opinion of CD Projekt Red was overwhelmingly positive before he involved himself in the company.
@@gamerman7276 i never liked the company before, I didn't even know elon did anything With them
Huh, that's rather interesting to me. At one point early on in my college years, I was - for lack of a better term - enamored with the Technocratic movement of the 30s and 40s, particularly for the ideas of championing leadership based on scientific expertise and knowledge along with the ideas of pacifism through isolationism. I've long since moved on from that mindset as I'd come to realize quite a bit of that line of thinking is at best an out of touch idealized folly, both with regards to the context at the time, along with human nature and broader society in general. This was a while before Elon's fame really took off, and aside from the odd occurrence the term came up in a disconnected context, this is the first time I really thought back on it in a long while and never would have guessed there was such a direct connection between that movement and the modern day example of why it was such a bad idea in the first place, and it explains so damn much about the man. God damn.
None of this explains musk’s impersonation of his (then) 2 yo son, X-Y3, on a second Twitter account 😂
Great content Kav, your extensive in depth breakdowns of topics of interest & importance are always comprehensive & educating. Your insights & views are always very logical & obvious to me, & your communist political ideoligies I find facinating as you are not anything like what I was bought up (indoctrinated?) to believe what a communist is like, or what their Ideals morales & social ideals would be. great stuff keep up the great content, I feel more informed evrytime i watch your vids.
Yea this is so tough. I love my Dad but I don’t want to be anything like him. But then I still see a lot of my Dad in myself. Being a human is fucking tough and feels like a punishment most of the time.
The way Elon talks about his father and his daughter sounds EXACTLY like my own father 💀 like jesus christ, that makes me dislike both of them more 😂 thank God I'm no contact 🙏
Didnt know apartheid south africa was so hard for a white man.
Kavernacle must get a pretty decent amoint of viewers from the U.K/ other parts of Europe if you can already have 5k views while the majority of the US is still asleep
19:14 lol
😂😂😂
3 out of 5 Burglers HEY MAN NICE SHOT ! 🎯🏃🏻♂🏃🏻♂🏃🏻♂
Technocracy sounds like an elitist subversion of managers, professionals, engineers and scientists of Communism. Early socialist political philosophy certainly flirted with scientists in positions of decision making and technocratic administration. Saint-Simon, Comte, Marx. However this “scientific society” founded on social scientific theory would be a new age of science and religion synthesizing and the administration of industry replacing formal state government. Economics and politics becoming a single issue in the industrial administering by associations of producers. The difference is in the elimination of class disparities, or class altogether, and administration of social and industrial affairs by free associated producers, not some elite technocrats. The access to scientific knowledge and training for expertise would be accessible to all as work becomes more optimal and laborers are needed less for production, or new productivity techniques and technologies are achieved. There wouldn’t be an elite class of anything. Huge difference between l Technocracy and Communism. Free association and self-management or rule by scientists until rule by AI 👨🔬 🤖v 👷🏾 🛠️
15:20 He's probably talking about child sex stuff, here. But his Dad is too powerful to talk about in that way.
19:10 That's the trap of the wealth system. It holds the rich in place just as assuredly as the poor. It's just that the compensations are far better. There is a freedom of movement, freedom from material concerns, but they are kept in their place. Just that their yard is larger than ours.
Of course, I dont feel sympathy for them. They get to cry on gold toilets, after all.
Isn’t the Musk biography getting edited to remove the leaked part about him cutting off Starlink for the Ukrainians as they were about to bomb the Russian Black Sea fleet or am I wrong?
This is some Game of Thrones shit. Really feels like feudalism never went anywhere so much as it just kind of changed it's names around.
Elon Musk is basically the main villain of the Horizon series, just going by the name "Ted Faro."
If he's paying 50k in tuition for k-12, that is private school, so not actually the LA PUBLIC school district which i fhink he is complying. It's so weird
So true how rich people larp about not having any help.
If it wasn't for Wiki, hardly anyone wouuld know about Private Schooling.
Even comprehensive schools have very different wealth demographics depending on area.
Some rich kids can say they went to a 'State' school, in name only.
They lie , genetically.
Great research. I hope you get lots of views for the amount of work you put into this video! Insighful
The Muskrats
What I’ve seen to be common is that people see and reject their parents-but ultimately do a lot of things similar to their parents, while ALSO doing a lot of things differently
This whole family is game of thrones
25:55 I'm from a poor working class background. I've been around upper middle class to very wealthy people as part of my work/social circle bc I pass as an academic.
"Comfortable". That's the N American code word, as far as I can tell. The richer people are, the more they default to admitting to merely being "comfortable".
Which is such a privilege. I can only imagine what it would be like to have problems & be able to just...solve them. To be able to have agency in the world. To feel justified in your $6 latte you're treating yourself to. Comfortable. What a dream. What a goal.
May we all be comfortable.
Please please please you or whoever makes your thumbnail needs to learn and internalize that if you put text in the bottom right corner of it, it will not be readable. The timestamp has been in that place for years so idk why people keep doing it. Godspeed to you but please, my crops are dying.
I know about it - I use this thumbnail on my socials where you can see it so it stays
Bowser is probaby a better father
Well, his dad is a literal groomer sooooo......
woody allen of the clan
That Dr. Bernie Manhattan cracks me up everytime.
what thw fuck? elon father have kids with his stepdaughter that he raised since she was 4 years old? whaaattt?
Even I know Crossroads is woo-woo even by "Hollywood elite" standards.
Oh Elon, did you do any research at all? You just picked the most expensive thing thinking it has to be the best, didn't you?
I've noticed a lot of billionaires have daddy issues.
What the fuck is that photo on the book cover.
Technocracy sounds straight out of Ayn Rand's _Atlas Shrugged._
Elon discovered time travel and became his own grandfather. Dude sounds just like him.
FYI it's pronounced reg-EYE-nah not reg-EE-nah.
Think the simpsons joke about how to succeed in business is truly accurate and these people haven't learned it yet, thinking they can have it all.
After all, musk in an Afrikkkaner. Yes, three ks
The only benefit Elon's children get are the double edge sword that he is not involved in their lives. That is messed up but they have a chance depending on their maternal support system not to continue the Musk cycle or being a Elon mini me.
What I have been coming to understand, is that rich people have their ideas and opinions taken seriously with very little backing it up other than sometimes having a one hit wonder of success. Also that rich people over different generations always seem to want to hoard wealth, hate unions, and hate on jewish people.
The good thing with this day and age, before we plunge into another catastrophic event, is that people have a better ability to navigate and displace propaganda and conspiracy. Even if it is just a smaller group of people learning from the past human anthropology.
24:40 The rabbit hole of these fking billionaires and Jeff Epstein and s*x rings, that is when I feel like alliens can take over and blow up millionaires private islands.
👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
People nowadays are polarized to think either every wealthy people are either extreme privileged or extreme average.
They're not that privileged I mean Bill gates alike. I've grew up with people who are son's or daughter's of listed companies.
All of them grew up to be "average". Like pr60-pr80 throughout high school and university. None of them end up making more than their parents did. I don't like Musk but there is definitely at least a few decision that most people didn't think of.
Also there are occupations that doesn't require any money such as athletes which is able to turn one into a billionaire.
When was Elon Musk considered liberal?
i hope it would docuseries on musk family
All Western elites have wierd family background.
This explains why Elon Musk is the way he is! Crooked just like his father. Like Donald Trump, a narcissist always striving for more attention!
Just to make a point, when you say inherit talking about behaviour and personality, i think it is more to do with the environment than genetics.
Yes genetically some people are more prone to certain behaviours however genetic personality are rarely beyond management if raised healthy with good goals.
Inherited in same way as property.
Errol Musk and Woody Allen would have a lot to talk about when it comes to incestuous paedophilia.
29:00 The whole "sometimes bigot changes their stance after loved one comes out of the closet" is probably connected to how close those people are. If you don't have a close relationship and only see your kid as an extension of yourself then kid shattering your vision for their future would feel like a betrayal. And there wouldn't be any emotional connection to reel back egocentric reaction.
He *would* threaten a dev company to get to be in a cyberpunk game using an archaic weapon.
Watch out if he wants to be in Red Dead: he'll start throwing rocks.
rich "people" will be ritching, i guess
Woah woah im socialist and i HATE the rich